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00:00 decimation luke-jr?
00:00 mircea_popescu yes luke-jr
00:02 mircea_popescu an entire den of fraudsters and con men they got going there, not like phantomcircuit's anyone else than the bitcoinica thief etc.
00:06 mircea_popescu " As Wal-Mart gets the lion’s share of food stamp transfers [EBT cash and food] than this operation amounts to a 19th century Appalachian coal mine with its own company store, with over half of the employees spending most—or even more than—their salary at the Wal-Mart register, literally a captive market and labor force in one."
00:06 mircea_popescu this is actually an excellent point - walmart is not a shop, it's a shit circuit.
00:07 decimation it's been well covered in the us media that walmart 'arbitrages' usg benefits/slaves into profit
00:09 decimation mr. lafound makes a novel point (to me) that the rich folk (think jwz) are equally complict, thinking that saving $0.25 on eggs at walmart is purely neutral
00:11 mircea_popescu i dun think this is much of a novel point. fundamental point. "be the change you wish to see" etc.
00:14 hanbot people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious"
00:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00053341 = 27.8973 BTC [+]
00:15 decimation in the us, to be against 'walmart profits' is to be labeled a socialist. it's rarely the case that someone points out the degree to which walmart profits are dependent on socialism themselves
00:17 hanbot right, because why proclaim something that might lead to having to do more work
00:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64423 @ 0.00051817 = 33.3821 BTC [-] {2}
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00:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51409 @ 0.00052203 = 26.837 BTC [+] {2}
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01:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9647 @ 0.00052634 = 5.0776 BTC [+]
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01:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00051761 = 24.3277 BTC [-]
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01:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00051072 = 32.5329 BTC [-] {3}
02:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43819 @ 0.00051202 = 22.4362 BTC [+]
02:06 Naphex 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often
02:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00051063 = 35.0037 BTC [-]
02:11 punkman how do you decide a good egg yolk?
02:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27092 @ 0.00051063 = 13.834 BTC [-]
02:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00050955 = 15.9744 BTC [-] {2}
02:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56194 @ 0.00051202 = 28.7725 BTC [+]
02:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00051159 = 26.1422 BTC [-]
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03:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36402 @ 0.00051292 = 18.6713 BTC [+] {3}
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03:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00051618 = 16.3113 BTC [+]
03:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37214 @ 0.00050521 = 18.8009 BTC [-]
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03:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00050406 = 28.4794 BTC [-] {2}
03:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00051621 = 19.2546 BTC [+] {2}
03:56 jurov punkman: it has vivid yellow color
03:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00052065 = 22.3359 BTC [+] {2}
03:56 jurov and when used as ingredients, it colors the dough or whatever, too
04:00 punkman jurov, people like the darker orange yolks here
04:00 punkman yellow yolk means it's probably eating corn
04:00 jurov they can be orange, too, no prob... just the color is weak
04:01 cazalla whites not runny either!
04:01 jurov yolk racism?
04:03 punkman I mostly care about whether the owner of the chickens is in wot rather than colour
04:04 jurov oh, if you scarcely have eggs from supermarket, then it's hard to explain, either :)
04:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00052629 = 19.9201 BTC [+] {2}
04:06 cazalla miss my chickens, rip in peace http://i.imgur.com/5UdH5PC.png gonna get some new ones in the spring
04:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1pJBM )
04:07 punkman http://aspajournal.it/index.php/ijas/article/viewFile/1745/html_9/8434
04:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M1pKFI )
04:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00050847 = 8.6694 BTC [-]
04:13 jurov cazalla what happened to them?
04:13 cazalla fox
04:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70550 @ 0.00050847 = 35.8726 BTC [-]
04:13 cazalla or inattentive chicken shepherd
04:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212391 @ 0.0005306 = 112.6947 BTC [+] {3}
04:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22280 @ 0.00050398 = 11.2287 BTC [-] {2}
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05:05 jurov http://www.boredpanda.com/dead-raccoon-memorial-shrine-mourning-deadraccoonto-toronto/ canada :)
05:05 assbot People In Toronto Made Memorial For Dead Raccoon After City Forgot To Pick It Up For 12 Hrs | Bored Panda ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVJ5Wh )
05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87400 @ 0.00050268 = 43.9342 BTC [-] {5}
05:13 shinohai lol
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05:31 jurov https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150710-genetic-alphabet/ heh, "shoulda switch DNA to ternary"
05:31 assbot New Letters Added to the Genetic Alphabet | Quanta Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVLmks )
05:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00051275 = 16.5875 BTC [+]
05:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19289 @ 0.00051275 = 9.8904 BTC [+]
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06:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29320 @ 0.00051536 = 15.1104 BTC [+] {2}
06:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00053341 = 1.3069 BTC [+]
06:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00053341 = 30.7778 BTC [+]
06:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43650 @ 0.00053303 = 23.2668 BTC [-] {2}
06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46032 @ 0.00053391 = 24.5769 BTC [+] {2}
06:33 shinohai censorship >>>> https://coincafe.com/special_message.php
06:33 assbot Backpage.com policy | CoinCafe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkyFvD )
06:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00053489 = 32.5748 BTC [+] {2}
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07:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101148 @ 0.00052037 = 52.6344 BTC [-] {3}
07:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9835 @ 0.00049302 = 4.8489 BTC [-]
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07:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00053665 = 12.1283 BTC [+]
07:31 lobbesbot New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Andreas Heimann ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C62FFD2679BE0909B2C7D7FB2356995AF9650D3E280600D31534FDB9A7F170A3#A325D14C8F2FC51D65A4157508CD1E626380D8E9F340A33F11BD25BF1936DCCF>
07:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZYxN9 )
07:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64550 @ 0.00053665 = 34.6408 BTC [+]
07:39 kakobrekla Andreas Heimann
07:39 kakobrekla @ACHeimann
07:39 kakobrekla ist Journalist in Berlin, leitet den dpa-Themendienst und twittert hier privat vor allem zu Medienthemen.
07:41 kakobrekla imma guess
07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97850 @ 0.00053673 = 52.519 BTC [+] {4}
07:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00050946 = 20.1237 BTC [-] {2}
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08:13 mats heh, former US AG Holder went back to Covington & Burling
08:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00053741 = 38.5323 BTC [+] {2}
08:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00053765 = 9.0863 BTC [+]
08:22 shinohai https://np.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/3cuvhz/its_ok_folks_lets_regroup/
08:22 assbot It's ok folks, let's regroup : litecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1gtV4QB )
08:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35008 @ 0.00053765 = 18.8221 BTC [+]
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08:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00053765 = 19.8931 BTC [+]
08:45 funkenstein_ "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??
08:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00052014 = 19.9994 BTC [-] {2}
08:55 * funkenstein_ ponders total silence surrounding continued phuctoring
09:09 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197401 <-- this is a good start but version numbers should also include P and Z
09:09 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 02:19:10; Luke-Jr: decimation: this may be of interested to you; it is a WIP https://gist.github.com/sipa/bf69659f43e763540550
09:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00051235 = 15.9597 BTC [-] {3}
09:10 funkenstein_ !up SuchWow
09:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00052153 = 26.8588 BTC [+]
09:21 shinohai wow
09:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40510 @ 0.00053765 = 21.7802 BTC [+]
09:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00053765 = 18.9253 BTC [+]
09:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00053788 = 25.3879 BTC [+] {2}
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10:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116600 @ 0.00054029 = 62.9978 BTC [+] {2}
10:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00054156 = 17.2216 BTC [+]
10:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13358 @ 0.00054156 = 7.2342 BTC [+]
10:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00053443 = 17.369 BTC [-] {2}
11:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00054156 = 15.0012 BTC [+]
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00054225 = 28.0614 BTC [+] {2}
11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26132 @ 0.00054229 = 14.1711 BTC [+]
11:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34968 @ 0.00054229 = 18.9628 BTC [+]
11:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28151 @ 0.00052827 = 14.8713 BTC [-] {2}
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11:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123000 @ 0.00050419 = 62.0154 BTC [-] {5}
11:56 mircea_popescu ;;seen diametric
11:56 gribble diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <diametric> possible to get a sample capture?
11:57 mircea_popescu diametric you're getting ddos'd again, and apparently it's ever more impressive. you want a filter in front of this thing or what.
11:58 mircea_popescu which reminds me, shinohai you ever got email ?
12:00 shinohai nope never got another email :/
12:00 shinohai plus i only have one good wallet and it broke, so i am 34 weeks behind xD
12:01 mircea_popescu lol k
12:02 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197303 << is he a bit of an autist ?
12:02 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 00:37:04; gernika: "Ellen Pao, the interim chief executive officer of Reddit, will be succeeded by Steve Huffman." << Met this guy (Steve Huffman) years ago at a YC startup school event. Had a brief discussion with him about lisp (don't recall the dialect he used).
12:04 mircea_popescu in any case reddit's a chapter right out of the lolbook of failmanagement, you get an interim ceo to ease the transition to... one of the old founders ? that board is so stupid it can sit with the worst of 'em, http://trilema.com/2010/cel-mai-prost-board-din-istorie/ and so on.
12:04 assbot Cel mai prost Board din istorie on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0QyCY )
12:14 gernika mircea_popescu no he seemed to make eye-contact, connect, etc. Aaron Schwartz, who I met at a similar such party (possibly even the same one) struck me as being much more of an autist.
12:15 mircea_popescu aha
12:17 pete_dushenski ;;later tell bingoboingo for your qind qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/3FCEZ41.txt
12:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0R83o )
12:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:19 pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla and yours ! http://dpaste.com/2W2J79K.txt
12:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0RdnG )
12:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:19 mircea_popescu lol you got one for each ?
12:20 pete_dushenski lol no ?
12:20 mircea_popescu ah k
12:20 pete_dushenski same article, encrypted to each of their keys
12:20 pete_dushenski usual protocol
12:20 mircea_popescu you knoiw you can just do gpg --encrypt --armor -r one -r theother righjt ?
12:21 pete_dushenski this is true.
12:21 pete_dushenski dunno why i'm in the habit of giving them each one.
12:21 pete_dushenski presents are moar speshul when they're just for you !
12:22 mircea_popescu and in other news : eulora is currently being practically re-written, because fucking idiots and their fucktarded assumptions. "oh, nobody could POSSIBLY ever want an int other than ~16!!!!~ bit". as a result, the skill display in game behaves eratically. as a result, all places that use ints and were apparently not upgraded to 32 bit because too much fucking work are now getting redefined as 64 bits.
12:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00050081 = 21.1342 BTC [-]
12:22 mircea_popescu because it's apparently still 1959 and nobody came up with a "machine length" int yet.
12:23 pete_dushenski lame.
12:24 pete_dushenski eulora thrills > mpoe thrills eh
12:24 pete_dushenski no one rewriting mpoe anytime soon
12:25 mircea_popescu myeah.
12:27 pete_dushenski so eta on new eulora ?
12:27 mircea_popescu it's sitll going as it is, just the experience filling bar of skills is fucked up
12:27 mircea_popescu minor visual glitch
12:28 pete_dushenski ah cool beans
12:31 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
12:31 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 293.45, Best ask: 293.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 293.49, 24 hour volume: 55886.98510595, 24 hour low: 282.7, 24 hour high: 299.56, 24 hour vwap: None
12:32 pete_dushenski *that* close to 300
12:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00051186 = 15.3558 BTC [+]
12:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14049 @ 0.00051186 = 7.1911 BTC [+]
12:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2175 @ 0.00052321 = 1.138 BTC [+]
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13:05 pete_dushenski !up ascii_modem
13:06 ascii_modem http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197674 << int
13:06 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 16:22:48; mircea_popescu: because it's apparently still 1959 and nobody came up with a "machine length" int yet.
13:07 ascii_modem long int
13:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00051124 = 35.5567 BTC [-] {2}
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13:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14527 @ 0.00050133 = 7.2828 BTC [-] {2}
13:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23541 @ 0.00049944 = 11.7573 BTC [-] {3}
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14:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00051577 = 27.1553 BTC [+]
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00051614 = 16.4778 BTC [+] {2}
14:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52845 @ 0.00051204 = 27.0588 BTC [-] {2}
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14:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11924 @ 0.00051141 = 6.0981 BTC [-]
14:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67850 @ 0.00050823 = 34.4834 BTC [-] {3}
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51750 @ 0.00050435 = 26.1001 BTC [-] {2}
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15:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38461 @ 0.00051887 = 19.9563 BTC [+] {3}
15:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110500 @ 0.0005224 = 57.7252 BTC [+] {2}
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00051176 = 10.4911 BTC [-]
15:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00051176 = 12.7172 BTC [-]
15:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64606 @ 0.0005236 = 33.8277 BTC [+] {2}
15:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.0005365 = 1.2844 BTC [+] {2}
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16:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50264 @ 0.00053656 = 26.9697 BTC [+] {2}
16:10 punkman heh "Finnish media reports that Germany, Holland, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Slovakia and Slovenia want "temporary" #Grexit"
16:16 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196949 << 1 Corinthians 7:8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
16:16 assbot Logged on 10-07-2015 19:33:32; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i still have no idea why anyone'd get married, but then again i'm weird like that.
16:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00053657 = 11.6972 BTC [+]
16:19 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196970 << leg is different from boobs because child born of the former can still be expected to look similar to parents while child of latter may not
16:19 assbot Logged on 10-07-2015 19:37:48; mircea_popescu: and especially nonsensical given that there's an exactly just as silly, but opposite direction social convention : people going around with a prosthetic leg are apparently GREAT!11
16:21 danielpbarron ;;isitup search.bitcoin-assets.com
16:21 gribble Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
16:21 danielpbarron ;;isdown search.bitcoin-assets.com
16:21 gribble Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
16:21 danielpbarron ;;isup search.bitcoin-assets.com
16:21 gribble search.bitcoin-assets.com is down
16:22 jurov danielpbarron: did jesus set a limit for # of wives?
16:22 danielpbarron no, but we know from Solomon that there is an upward bound that isn't specified
16:23 danielpbarron !s Jian Feng
16:24 assbot : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Jian+Feng
16:24 jurov solomon, the first C programmer
16:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00053657 = 4.6413 BTC [+]
16:25 danielpbarron Deuteronomy 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the Lord has said to you, 'You shall not return that way again.' 17 Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.
16:25 danielpbarron http://www.atruechurch.info/polygamy.html >> As for a king who breached Deuteronomy 17:17, Solomon is the classic example. He had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Yet, even though Solomon obviously multiplied wives to himself, the Lord condemns Solomon, in particular, for his marriage of foreign women (1 Kings 11:1-2; Deuteronomy 7:1-4) and the resultant idolatry (1 Kings 11:4).
16:25 assbot A True Church - Polygamy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hv0PTP )
16:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8523 @ 0.00052006 = 4.4325 BTC [-]
16:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00053657 = 6.8681 BTC [+]
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16:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00053657 = 20.0141 BTC [+]
17:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16659 @ 0.000536 = 8.9292 BTC [-]
17:07 scoopbot_revived Pirate Bay Four Acquitted Of Charges http://qntra.net/2015/07/pirate-bay-four-acquitted-of-charges/
17:18 trinque am I noticing that the price of mpex trends upward before the price of bitcoin does?
17:18 scoopbot_revived Mining Difficulty Reaches New High http://qntra.net/2015/07/mining-difficulty-reaches-new-high/
17:18 trinque I'd like to see that graph
17:18 * trinque goes to check out btcalpha
17:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13341 @ 0.00052006 = 6.9381 BTC [-]
17:20 mats dun think there's any correlation
17:22 trinque maybe not
17:29 trinque gabriel_laddel: got a recommendation on something that'll bust out docs for *any* symbol?
17:29 trinque I want hyperspec.el for errethang
17:30 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197651 <<< does not appear he will ban /r/coontown https://archive.is/UE0n9 meanwhile coontown banned me from their irc channel
17:30 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 16:02:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197303 << is he a bit of an autist ?
17:30 assbot airwx comments on I am Steve Huffman, the new CEO of reddit. AMA. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYrH4T )
17:31 trinque maybe just getting eldoc to barf out the docstring for the thing at point would suffice
17:36 gabriel_laddel trinque: M-x slime-describe-symbol
17:37 trinque yeah, I basically want that guy jammed into eldoc
17:37 gabriel_laddel trinque: do you know elisp?
17:37 trinque I can fart around in it
17:38 gabriel_laddel trinque: alright, gimme a minute and I'll write it for ya
17:38 trinque cool!
17:38 gabriel_laddel ftr, no one should have to learn elisp. it is a shit language.
17:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00052345 = 15.2324 BTC [+]
17:51 gabriel_laddel trinque: wait, is this for CL or elisp
17:51 gabriel_laddel or both
17:51 trinque CL
17:51 trinque but both sure
17:52 gabriel_laddel well, doing both is sorta a PITA, so I'll prolly decline that
17:52 trinque heh, np
17:52 trinque don't even have to do the former unless you want to
17:52 gabriel_laddel but there already exists a printer for the value of the symbol at point
17:52 gabriel_laddel so I just have to find that, modify the format string
17:52 gabriel_laddel the end
17:52 trinque I'll take all the CL prosthetics I can get
17:53 gabriel_laddel trinque: have you been using the CLIM listener in your CL hacking?
17:53 trinque I haven't really, other than with the intent to learn about CLIM
17:53 trinque current thing I'm hacking on is that api server guy
17:54 trinque I'm open to hearing how I'd use CLIM there
17:54 gabriel_laddel I can't speak to that, but using the class browser is a great boon to CL development.
17:54 gabriel_laddel I ended up binding it to f8, as was tired of pulling it up all the time.
17:55 trinque ah ok; yeah, paging through the hyperspec is my current method of discovering new functions to use
17:55 trinque I'll try your suggestion there
17:56 gabriel_laddel trinque: try `apropos' and note that you can display all generic functions for a class using the left click.
17:58 phf gabriel_laddel: have you been using mcclim for day to day hacking? last time i tried it, it was very slow. but then it was on a ppc machine, so maybe moore's law took care of that
17:59 gabriel_laddel phf: My dashboard (which I use every day) is CLIM. I edit text in CLIMACS from time to time, use the listener to browse classes.
17:59 gabriel_laddel earlier I started to modify the address book to handle my rolodex
17:59 gabriel_laddel also, I'm using it at work
17:59 gabriel_laddel :/
17:59 gabriel_laddel so yet?
17:59 gabriel_laddel *yes?
18:01 phf hmm, might be worth giving it a try then. i wrote some code with clim a while back, but that was using lispworks
18:01 gabriel_laddel phf: the whole "backends" thing (which lispworks uses) is retarded.
18:01 gabriel_laddel the only way to go is all lisp
18:01 gabriel_laddel CLX+stumpwm+CLIM
18:02 gabriel_laddel perhaps someone will take the time to hack the "zen" X server into this stack
18:04 trinque I'll be fine seeing someone stick a chisel in the ear of emacs, breaking it into the several pieces it should've been
18:04 phf lispworks clim is a life support for legacy systems, and as such their technical decisions have merit
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18:05 trinque gabriel_laddel: seems the further down the stack lisp might reach, the more the argument that it should be coming from the bottom up applies
18:05 gabriel_laddel trinque: sure.
18:06 gabriel_laddel phf: yeah, sure. but being a hospice cog isn't fun
18:06 gabriel_laddel trinque: fundamentally the only way I see this happening is by getting a great prince to "see" why it is one would like such a thing.
18:06 gabriel_laddel hence, I'm pushing for lispy demos everywhere
18:07 gabriel_laddel so they go back to windows and rage
18:07 trinque gabriel_laddel: indeed, I "see what you did there" so to speak
18:07 gabriel_laddel I'd never phrase it like that, but sure.
18:07 gabriel_laddel MP is on the verge of understanding.
18:08 trinque well more specifically
18:08 trinque I wouldn't even be bothering now if I hadn't used emacs for years prior
18:08 trinque I compared masamune to emacs somewhere in teh logz
18:08 gabriel_laddel I'm not really sure what you're getting at?
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18:08 gabriel_laddel I saw that.
18:09 trinque emacs is what a guy whose seen a lisp machine builds on unix
18:09 trinque with the pragmatism dial set somewhere middling
18:09 gabriel_laddel Emacs is Stallman hating the lisp machine. Pragmatic my arse.
18:10 trinque gabriel_laddel: dunno if my point is coming across.
18:10 gabriel_laddel not at all
18:10 gabriel_laddel Spending a year learning elisp, and then a year unlearning it because it's a dead end isn't pragmatic at all.
18:10 gabriel_laddel fucking stallman
18:11 trinque I use pragmatic as a dirty word
18:11 gabriel_laddel should have just used CL
18:12 gabriel_laddel trinque: I'm still not sure what you're getting at...
18:12 trinque emacs is the closest thing I as a derp coming into the industry in 2006 would ever find which somewhat resembled the experience that was possible *before I was goddamn born*
18:12 trinque *dev experience
18:15 gabriel_laddel hrm.. I'll drop something in the logs about forwards compatibility sometime.
18:16 trinque I'm trying to say something about acts of desperation around preserving a dying (better) culture in the midst of an insane one.
18:16 trinque coming up short atm, and gotta run
18:16 trinque obviously I want stan's fucking c-gate flowputer if it would mean I can actually reason about the machine's behavior
18:17 trinque barring that... sbcl on unix? or some other compromise?
18:18 trinque if you'd cracked warp drives, yet were surrounded by imbeciles that couldn't use the knowledge if they tried, maybe you might try to stash the knowledge in some corner of the world where it may re-emerge later
18:19 trinque *from which it
18:19 trinque bbl
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18:32 gabriel_laddel !rated mjr_
18:32 assbot mjr_ is not registered in WoT.
18:34 phf gabriel_laddel: have you seen, nyef is making a new clim version, i think i read something about framebuffer backend
18:34 phf https://github.com/abridgewater/nq-clim
18:34 assbot abridgewater/nq-clim · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1O2m4Sr )
18:35 gabriel_laddel phf: I had not seen this, thanks.
18:36 gabriel_laddel Though I wish everyone would *stop it* with making new CLIM, CLIMACS etc. and just make what we have work.
18:38 * gabriel_laddel mumbles "forwards compatibility!"
18:40 phf yeah yeah, but it's cockroaches all the way down. anyone sane who's attempted ends up like asciilifeform, rejecting von neumann architecture, and ultimately giving up
18:41 gabriel_laddel I was going to put this off until later - but whatever.
18:41 gabriel_laddel Look, there is no reason we can't take SBCL and incrementally modify it to work on a loper device
18:41 gabriel_laddel People keep bitching about "all the things wrong with common lisp" while completely ignoring that you can meaningfully upgrade the language without throwing away all the work that has been done over the years.
18:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63638 @ 0.00051164 = 32.5597 BTC [+] {2}
18:43 gabriel_laddel For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.
18:44 gabriel_laddel the compiler can then be modified to take this into account.
18:44 gabriel_laddel I, for example, dislike having both defstruct and defclass in the language.
18:44 gabriel_laddel Am currently waiting for an intern to fix this.
18:45 gabriel_laddel Over the course of a few years we can work the language down to something much smaller without at any point making it unsuitable for production work.
18:45 gabriel_laddel Even with a Loper device you'll still have programs composed of the same primitives: draw-circle*, draw-sphere*
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18:46 gabriel_laddel Work CL down to the core language and then when you get something new to play with you can build up that core and run (some) 'CL' programs on it.
18:47 gabriel_laddel These metaprograms are great tasks for interns, especially those who don't "get lisp" yet.
18:47 phf i'm not one of those people you're arguing against, i like cl standard just fine. i did paid common lisp consulting on and off for the past 10 years.
18:48 gabriel_laddel phf: o cool
18:49 gabriel_laddel phf: also, I think the loper device will end up being designed on top of CLIM.
18:49 gabriel_laddel there are not really any other options
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18:50 gabriel_laddel !up ascii_modem
18:50 ascii_modem http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197840 << that'd be 'scheme'
18:50 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.
18:51 gabriel_laddel ascii_modem: there is a scheme which didn't throw away the CL compiler and start from scratch?
18:51 ascii_modem which compiler
18:51 gabriel_laddel If *any* of them did this, for any compiler, I'd be rather surprised.
18:52 ascii_modem sbcl, ccl, allegro, lispworks - each had own
18:52 ascii_modem basic boojum with ~all~ lisps on x86 - is same
18:53 gabriel_laddel sbcl, ccl, allegro, lispworks - each had own << You can still take portable CL programs and run the upgrade program on them without forcing compiler changes.
18:53 ascii_modem the retarded os, in turn forced into being by retarded hw
18:53 gabriel_laddel I know, I know.
18:54 phf i think "minimal set of common lisp primitives" is a common theme on #lisp, not surprisingly with different answers every time
18:55 gabriel_laddel phf: no one has done so much as even drafting a document specifying what is to be removed.
18:55 ascii_modem you won't appreciate the full weight of this until you try to do something with, e.g., graphics, or signal process
18:55 gabriel_laddel I read the relevent cliki page.
18:55 * gabriel_laddel has a document collecting these links, ideas
18:55 gabriel_laddel ascii_modem: like what with graphics?
18:56 gabriel_laddel ascii_modem: I am currently using CLIM, opengl
18:56 ascii_modem rearranging 'elt' and 'nth' ~~ 'deck chairs on titanic'
18:56 gabriel_laddel heh
18:56 gabriel_laddel defstruct and defclass?
18:56 ascii_modem fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics
18:57 ascii_modem fuck wrapping abstractions around gpu ops
18:58 ascii_modem fuck 2 machines showing 2 different bitmaps from same graphics op
18:58 ascii_modem pc - retarded.
18:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00052345 = 14.5257 BTC [+]
19:01 ascii_modem http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197814 << cl on pc only really became tolerably livable with in late '90s
19:01 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 22:11:04; gabriel_laddel: should have just used CL
19:01 phf gabriel_laddel: that's because "removing" is not a particularly worthwhile activity in this case
19:02 gabriel_laddel phf: then wtf is everyone discussing on #lisp?
19:02 phf gabriel_laddel: intellectual exercise :)
19:03 ascii_modem all of these turd polishings are 20+ years of wank by now,
19:03 phf in practical terms, common lisp quirks are direct result of underlying machine level architecture
19:03 gabriel_laddel I suppose masturbation counts as exercise.
19:04 ascii_modem and distract from the fact that the ~machine~ is terminally retarded
19:04 gabriel_laddel ascii_modem: dija read the part where I specified the reason for this is to impress a prince?
19:05 ascii_modem if i were prince - i'd spit
19:05 phf at some point i assume it wasn't retarded, more like "what can i do with these resistors and a soldering iron", became retarded later
19:05 phf because technology change, but thinking basically remained the same
19:06 gabriel_laddel ascii_modem: notice that you're not a prince.
19:06 ascii_modem notice - princes - they spit
19:06 ascii_modem and i know why.
19:06 ascii_modem go ask'em
19:06 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: explain please.
19:07 gabriel_laddel trinque: yeah, so fyi there is no obvious way to add the docstring to eldoc
19:07 gabriel_laddel trinque: takes too much work. I give up.
19:07 ascii_modem bbl.
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20:02 gabriel_laddel To those reading along, how do I know http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197799 ? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-05-2015#1144266
20:02 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 22:07:49; gabriel_laddel: MP is on the verge of understanding.
20:02 assbot Logged on 23-05-2015 07:11:21; mircea_popescu: seems the sort of meta-prograsmming task for which lisp was invented anyway. keep your code as a s-expr of the code you deliver.
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20:30 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbHKzpzlgkc
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20:32 shinohai http://i.4cdn.org/b/1436644980131s.jpg
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20:36 gabriel_laddel shinohai: http://imgur.com/CQH4ojL
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21:01 shinohai lolz
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21:17 trinque gabriel_laddel | trinque: yeah, so fyi there is no obvious way to add the docstring to eldoc << thanks for the crack at it
21:17 trinque might be easier for me to forget about eldoc and try writing what I actually want from scratch
21:19 gabriel_laddel trinque: well, you could do that, but it will interact with eldoc and slime-autodoc
21:19 gabriel_laddel which are on idle timers
21:20 trinque yes that might be the right way; I'm not in a position where I feel I know the best way yet.
21:20 gabriel_laddel lol, idle timers are the ONLY way to do that
21:20 trinque I want two things, at any point I want to know what I have available to me in the context I'm in
21:20 trinque I want to have that broken apart into sensible categories of action, a tree structure of sorts from the current point outward to wherever else I might go
21:21 gabriel_laddel :/ I know. Climacs is the inevitable conclusion. Doing the elisp dance around the cl package system just isn't fun.
21:21 gabriel_laddel and eldoc is integrated into elisp
21:21 trinque yeah you already know two
21:22 gabriel_laddel polluting it.
21:22 trinque gimme the same thing for *THIS* I've chosen
21:22 trinque the docs for it, and a way to traverse to related things I might want to use instead
21:23 gabriel_laddel Generic functions for this class, sorted by if they're implemented yet, things that have been passed this type in the past...
21:23 trinque certainly
21:23 trinque what does the whole goddamn world look like from this point
21:23 trinque I am a very visual/spatial thinker
21:24 trinque and only grow proficient in a domain when I have a sort of physical model of the space
21:24 gabriel_laddel how the fuck did you ever get good at python
21:24 gabriel_laddel related: I want to be able to inspect an object, mark it, then jump around through a bunch of other objects and hit a key to get a sexpr representing the accessor corresponding to my traversal.
21:25 trinque gabriel_laddel | how the fuck did you ever get good at python << by forcing myself to work through it
21:25 trinque eventually acquiring the mental picture of python's insane world
21:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15387 @ 0.00053591 = 8.246 BTC [+]
21:26 trinque and tbh I write python in a functional style over mostly primitive types
21:26 trinque I am a simpleton.
21:27 trinque gabriel_laddel: that example of taking action *once* and being able to turn that sort of "recorded" action into an abstraction, exactly fucking right
21:28 gabriel_laddel Even if the indicies are hardcoded... still useful.
21:28 trinque our merry band of madmen got things such as these done once upon a time by representing the ASTs of SQL queries as table structures in postresql
21:29 gabriel_laddel madmen indeed
21:29 trinque that was where I accidentally bumped into the power of a homoiconic language
21:29 trinque because we... lol... forced SQL to behave like one
21:30 gabriel_laddel fyi: http://lisptips.com/post/20871695085/printing-package-qualified-symbols
21:30 assbot Printing package-qualified symbols ... ( http://bit.ly/1HvFRUE )
21:30 trinque model ebnf as tables -> describe some particular grammar in those tables -> derive schema for statements in that grammar -> derive parser for farting ASTs into tables -> so on so on
21:31 trinque it's just everything is data, including that which is used to model and manipulate the data
21:31 trinque lisp did it far far better
21:32 trinque incidentally we had the ebnf one bootstrapped such that it contained the description of its own structure
21:32 trinque and could revise it from there
21:32 trinque transactionally even
21:32 trinque and that was super powerful as well, and I don't know how to get that on the CL side
21:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46471 @ 0.00053591 = 24.9043 BTC [+]
21:33 gabriel_laddel what, transactions?
21:33 gabriel_laddel why would you want to revise sexprs?
21:34 trinque yeah, I want to go insane in an arbitrary direction changing some data structure, then decide nope arbitrarily later
21:34 trinque or even better, have it fail some constraint and do so
21:34 trinque or in other words... "database"
21:34 gabriel_laddel yeah, I wish you the best of luck on that quest. It is straightforwards, but ugh.
21:35 trinque I would have to describe better how I've leaned on there being a declared schema which is also data
21:35 gabriel_laddel defclass, plists, alists
21:35 trinque for example an inner join between the schema-describing-tables and the rows describing the grammar was how I wrote a generic to-string for any language in the ebnf tables
21:37 gabriel_laddel fucking ayy man
21:38 gabriel_laddel I hope you don't take offense to this but...
21:38 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: this is what I mean by "we need people to carry the water"
21:38 gabriel_laddel seriously, redirecting a trinque at CL would make the development 100x better.
21:38 gabriel_laddel *the development experience
21:39 trinque if you mean somebody should've kicked my ass ten years ago for not writing CL, I agree.
21:39 gabriel_laddel I mean that someone should have paid for you to write CL, preferable packaging it up as an unchanging distro supporting only a subset of hardware.
21:40 trinque so, here's what I do in real life, right?
21:40 trinque I model people's businesses using a database
21:40 trinque so to the extent that you put a better tool in my hands to do that, I'll only be appreciative.
21:40 trinque s/appreciative/paying you/
21:41 trinque I'm not personally out to revolutionize computing by focusing all my time on that as such
21:41 trinque make sense?
21:41 gabriel_laddel Yep. This is what I'm trying to get ascii to see.
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21:46 trinque model a business, describe business rules which constrain the changes possible to the model, present the state of the model in various useful ways, attach behavior to changes permitted by the model
21:47 trinque this is every goddamn application I've ever sold
21:47 trinque and a tool which allows me to rapidly do that will drastically increase the rate of said selling
21:47 trinque and you could stack corpses to the sky replacing products which were specific incarnations of such a database, rather than attacking the general problem described above.
21:48 trinque and then when you've got fat stacks from all the killing you've been doing, hell, build some hardware why don't you?
21:49 trinque this I think hits the problem of "the sale wants their particular problem solved head on" vs "to be a successful software business I must generalize" squarely
21:56 gabriel_laddel !s dawg just make the cardano already so we can sell em
21:57 assbot : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dawg+just+make+the+cardano+already+so+we+can+sell+em
21:57 gabriel_laddel kakobrekla: search is down?
21:58 phf were you guys trying to put symbol documentation into slime-autodoc results? that seems pretty easy, just patch whatever swank:autodoc returns. though seems like it would be distracting since multiline docs will keep resizing modeline every time your point is at a new function
21:59 phf there's also C-c C-d d which brings up a window with symbol's description
22:01 gabriel_laddel phf: C-c C-d d << M-x slime-describe-symbol
22:02 trinque bbl
22:03 phf gabriel_laddel: i'm not sure what you're trying to say
22:05 gabriel_laddel phf: Nothing interesting. Twas already covered in the logs...
22:07 phf gabriel_laddel: oh you're right, i'm behind on my readin'
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22:18 gabriel_laddel !up trixbutt
22:18 gabriel_laddel !up cosmo
22:30 gernika I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."
22:33 gabriel_laddel gernika: odd.
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22:33 gabriel_laddel gernika: you live in the valley?
22:34 gernika Close to there. I'm more on the peninsula.
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22:36 phf trinque, gabriel_laddel http://paste.lisp.org/display/151403
22:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXq6L4 )
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23:09 mircea_popescu !up trixbutt
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23:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-august-2014-statement/#comment-114754 << don't you find it a little odd that even on an obscure liuttle game such as eulora, someone does find the time to carefully probe me about aes ?
23:17 assbot MiniGame (S.MG), August 2014 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYIZ1N )
23:21 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << whatever have you two done.
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23:22 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seems to be traction from the transaction fees article
23:22 mircea_popescu nb.
23:22 mircea_popescu it's like, almost february all over again.
23:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197553 << they are disconcertingly yellow...
23:23 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 06:06:44; Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often
23:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197584 << haha well that fox had a good meal for surer
23:24 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 08:13:46; cazalla: or inattentive chicken shepherd
23:25 hanbot good sort of yellow tho'. of course, how would you know if you hadn't had good eggs /turmeric/etc
23:26 mircea_popescu "waiter, i ordered soffran rice and what the fuck is this yellow poison looking shit!"
23:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197622 << anything but a science that renders journos unnecessary!
23:26 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 12:45:57; funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??
23:26 mircea_popescu "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?
23:27 mircea_popescu well done, whoever.
23:28 mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk
23:28 phillipsjk I really should auth with the bot with pgp though.
23:28 mircea_popescu so go ahead.
23:30 cazalla BingoBoingo, that bio lol https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/crypto/
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23:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197713 << i don't follow. how's the daugther of boob implant woman not able to look the same as mom ?
23:30 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 20:19:34; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196970 << leg is different from boobs because child born of the former can still be expected to look similar to parents while child of latter may not
23:35 hanbot mircea_popescu i think the point is able!=expected
23:35 BingoBoingo cazalla: Scam bio
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23:42 mircea_popescu lol
23:42 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel btw, you use emacs ?
23:44 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: yeah
23:44 mircea_popescu an' you hate it basically ?
23:44 phillipsjk I am not sure I can auth with assbot. to verify I need to decrypt a OTP, but I need a rating of 2 for the !up command to challenge me with one.
23:44 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: yep.
23:44 mircea_popescu phillipsjk no you don't ? you just pm assbot !up
23:44 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel well there goes that idea.
23:45 gabriel_laddel eurlora client?
23:45 gabriel_laddel *eulora
23:45 mircea_popescu myeah.
23:45 phillipsjk assbot says: "You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)"
23:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197840 << this is basically how the libc hack of template files works eh.
23:45 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.
23:46 mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot phillipsjk
23:46 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=phillipsjk | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phillipsjk/
23:46 mircea_popescu phillipsjk apparently you can't actually self-voice.
23:46 phillipsjk Can I auth with the bot without voicing?
23:46 mircea_popescu nope.
23:47 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: the problem with templates is that generating syntatically correct code is fucking impossible.
23:47 mircea_popescu in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.
23:47 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel i think the principle of machine-fixed code is broken, but hey. maybe you're in a narrow enough case you can pull it off.
23:48 mircea_popescu if you can actually write programs to fix programs - why haven't you yet and why are we still running broken code everywhere.
23:48 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: because I'm lazy?
23:48 gabriel_laddel I need interns
23:49 mircea_popescu that process works better the other way. ("i need to intern for this guy" vs "i need people to intern for me")
23:50 gabriel_laddel I want to move *up* the ladder of abstraction. Purely mechanical lisping doesn't interest me.
23:50 phillipsjk Anyway, I screwed up with my AES comment: naivly encrypting game commands with a fixed key will give you the same cipher text given the same input. Chipher modes are not my field of expertise though.
23:50 gabriel_laddel Even if what I'm suggesting for interns is state of the art for some people.
23:51 gabriel_laddel I could go to africa (or stanford) if I wanted to be "considered intelligent"
23:51 mircea_popescu phillipsjk i've not put much design effort into that yet at any rate.
23:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197875 << having been more or less peripherally aware of gfx software the past coupla decades, i gotta tell you opengl is both come very far and possibly one of the worst retarded solutions ever seen.
23:52 assbot Logged on 11-07-2015 22:56:47; ascii_modem: fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics
23:52 mircea_popescu granted this isn't much seeing just how retarded that field is, but anway
23:52 mircea_popescu i am thankful directx fucking died, that's for use.
23:52 mircea_popescu sure*
23:53 mircea_popescu worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx
23:54 mircea_popescu hm. by "worst retarded" i actually mean "least retarded".
23:55 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif
23:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD )
23:57 decimation mircea_popescu: I buy your political reasons, but aes was the 'winner' of a fairly large and open 'competition' and was then recommended by usg. How is that 'coming out of nowhere'?
23:57 mircea_popescu blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?
23:58 mircea_popescu i dunno about you, or anyone else. but to me, winning a competition is a discomendation.
23:58 mircea_popescu you know, like i don't expect a film to be good because it got 7 oscars. i expect it to suck.
23:58 mircea_popescu and i don't expect a dude to have something meaningful to say because he got a nobel prize, but IN SPITE of getting it.
23:58 mircea_popescu etc.
23:59 mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk
23:59 decimation yeah that seems like a reasonable objection
23:59 mircea_popescu i guess "purely political" is not even the best way to state it. purely idiosyncratic.
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