#trilema | 2014-11-29

it should be public knowledge by now, i heard rumors about a documentary film about to be released a year ago, dunno if it materialized

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magine

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kinda controversial, as the regular army is prohibited from combat operations on american soil afaik (posse comitatus)

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when else would ya get the opportunity, i guess

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funny enough, some guardsmen participated in the looting

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when else would ya get the opportunity, i guess

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given the choice between grabbing a looter and grabbing a new flatscreen...

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cbc-managers-told-of-jian-ghomeshi-assault-allegations-back-in-june-1.2853949

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CBC managers told of Jian Ghomeshi 'assault' allegations back in June - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMnSgs )

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id have preferred a gun battle, personally.

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cbc's self-reporting on all this ghomeshi stuff has been stellar

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pitched battles with insurgents are fairly rare even for dudes in remote combat outposts

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mats_cd03: I know a few folks who believe that the regular army would generally have no problem with firing on americans if ordered to do so

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I'm not so sure myself, but I hope it doesn't come to that

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idk about that, i worked with a fair number of free thinkers ranging from lower enlisted to field grade officers

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I think there was a discussion about this awhile ago. I think that if it came to this (orders to fire on the population somewhere) it would probably tear the military apart, or at least damage the chain of command

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and i don't get the impression they'd be down with it. american military doctrine encourages autonomy at the company level in a lot of ways

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dub

a world where are americans are shooting each other is a safer world

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dub: happens every day

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which is great for tactical warfighting, but much less suited to a task better left for secret police

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dub

and yet america survives

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"there is much ruin in a nation"

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thestringpuller i guess so yeah

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mats_cd03: unfortunately it seems like the 'secret police' is often trotted as a solution to many of usg's problems

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all the more reason to accumulate fuel for takeoff

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http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinapult-relaunch-their-bitcoin-sms-service/

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http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ so no 10k usd huh.

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almost

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http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20141120.png

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... ( http://bit.ly/11DA9Tm )

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02:51

fluffypony dat time savings

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nb

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lol

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daylight time savings!~

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tbh i want daylight savings time all year

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it currently gets dark at 4:30pm

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i would rather it didn't get dark until 5:30pm

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who the fuck cares about the morning?

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!up jespern

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[23:00:00] <+mircea_popescu> <kuzetsa> assbot: you're a bad idea << if you'd have read the logs you'd know there was some derp in chan earlier dropping links to leech ips to ddos people. << mmm, yeah. I barely even notice if someone directly mentions my own nick.

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aha

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and that's only because I enabled the nick highlight feature on my IRC client

03:53

I was totally awake for the past 5 hours, just not looking at IRC

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I was mostly annoyed because hidemyass.com has some suspicious scripting and a helluvalotta sponsored advertizing, and pingbacks and cookie leakage to facebook and other social networking sites which I couldn't be arsed to audit

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I default to assuming something complicated enough that I can't audit it in under 2 minutes is a bad idea

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hence my saying "assbot: you're a bad idea" generically

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https://evil32.com

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Evil 32: Check Your GPG Fingerprints ... ( http://bit.ly/1yuuzPO )

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and this: http://www.nature.com/news/publishing-the-peer-review-scam-1.16400

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Publishing: The peer-review scam : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1rGRe5A )

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damn, 1230am and outta liqour :\

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http://youtu.be/Ffss-p2JfKw << phy radio

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Demistiphy 802.15.4 - Travis Goodspeed & Sergey Bratus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/11E13KW )

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https://github.com/scanlime/coastermelt << fw hacking bd-r drives

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scanlime/coastermelt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/11E1kNU )

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kuzetsa yeah i guess it's way too web 2.0 for its own good.

08:40

fluffypony you know bout phucktor ?

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cazalla: pft, amateur...you should always have a stash :-P

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mircea_popescu: no?

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fluffypony, can't keep a stash because it gets drunk

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cazalla: you need a standing weekly order :-P

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nintendo are releasing eon tickets across australia on monday, i get to line up at the shopping centre with 10 year olds and other dorks just so i can get the ticket to go to the island in game and catch a specific pokemon

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lol

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fluffypony asciilifeform made a gpg key tester

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http://nosuchlabs.com/

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Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1v3QJHQ )

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http://l.b-a.link/?date=29-11-2014#938113 < do you find any of these better: https://hide.me/en/proxy http://proxy.org http://www.vpnbook.com/webproxy

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Logged on 29-11-2014 08:56:36; kuzetsa: I was mostly annoyed because hidemyass.com has some suspicious scripting and a helluvalotta sponsored advertizing, and pingbacks and cookie leakage to facebook and other social networking sites which I couldn't be arsed to audit

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hide.me ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGk1zq )

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Free Web Proxy ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGk0LY )

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kakobrekla: I have no preference

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I just use a sane browser that doesn't run scripts by default

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hidemyass wasn't on the whitelist

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so I couldn't see the youtube video

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and I was irked when I saw how many non-youtube scripts hidemyass was trying to run :(

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thats to be used only when you are following links from unknown people btw

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at least that was the original idea.

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I didn't think anyone in this channel could post unless they were at least known in the -otc WoT

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how are you defining "unknown people" O_O

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strangers get voiced all the time?

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do they?

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temporarily, but still.

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!up dooglus

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-assbot- You voiced dooglus for 30 minutes.

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looks like it!

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that seems to defeat the purpose of having +m

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idk have you been in this chan before in last few months?

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I've been idling for several consecutive months

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I usually don't pay much attention though

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and I recently wiped my logs so it only goes back a week or two curently

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myea.

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I've only privmsg'd assbot with the !up thinger less than 10 times

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there's kinda no way out of the "i don't want to pay attention, why don't i understand anything" trap.

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pick one.

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sure there is

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it's not a trap if shut up

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:)

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lol i guess

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(I don't care enough to discuss the proxy thing ... people just keep re-bringing it up and highlighting me in the process)

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ninja turtles sucked BTW

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like... my expectations were low but I was still blown away with how awful it was :(

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godamnit fleanode

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just cloak everyone

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i have a right not to be cloaked!

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kakobrekla: what about 'censoring' links from those who aren't in the wot?

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I guess that would imply full moderation

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that would imply like own ircd

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yeah. irc is a creeky 1950's cuban ford pickup, it kinda works

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serenissima wish list:

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- rewrite bitcoin

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- rewrite pgp

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- rewrite irc

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don't forget 'throw out existing cpu paradigm'

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yes that one should be first or else you will have to do the other 3 again

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but i guess everything goes faster on the second try

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speaking of which there's some amusement re: systemd and surrounds: http://lwn.net/Articles/619068/

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Kdbus meets linux-kernel [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/15KSkc3 )

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DCOP was a bus that KDE used as an IPC layer between GUI programs; DCOP became DBUS

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now Greg KH, Kay Sievers and Lennart want to integrate DBUS into the kernel (DBUS)

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apparently integrating DBUS was tried twice before and DaveM said "hell no"

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so now they are going to try to integrate it as a character device

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Alan Cox: http://lwn.net/Articles/619142/ "No - these are reasons to have *something* in the kernel. I think it would be far more constructive to treat the current kdbus as a proof of

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Re: [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/15KSro8 )

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concept/prototype or even a draft requirements specification."

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decimation the usg bois are getting butchered.

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it's funny how they always proceed with this "chiken can eat the highway" outlook.

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I think the might have some legitimate points about shortcomings in existing IPC mechanisms, but I don't see how shoving the entire protocol in the kernel makes sense

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of course they have some legitimate points.

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it's sort of like the beta dork showing up with his hot sister at the exclusive bar.

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the girl gets shoved in and he gets to stay behind the rope.

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heh yeah kinda like that

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in spite of having had some good points, mounted on the chick's chest.

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it's interesting to look through the linux mailing list thread to gauge various reactions: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/29/854

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LKML: Greg Kroah-Hartman: [PATCH 00/12] Add kdbus implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/15KTnca )

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anyways. later!

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jurov

I don't see how shoving the entire protocol in the kernel makes sense << they don't want unnecessary context switches

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jurov

this is the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead

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perhaps the c pyramid will collapse under its own weight

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jurov

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8673760 such confusion

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Mean People Fail | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vwBsPR )

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"In 2011, a survey done showed that approximately 60% of Jamaicans would push to once again become a British territory; citing years of social and fiscal mismanagement in the country."

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jurov: its a terrible essay.

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"Startups don't win by attacking. They win by transcending."

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*

mats_cd03 waves hands

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undata

transcendent disruption of paradigms

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undata

please take my course on the above for only 10 BTC

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>The truly great startup founders have to be nice on the outside but when push comes to shove, complete assholes on the inside.

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yes because even more pretending will save the world

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i just had a glass of milk after avoiding lactose for over a year

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dis will be interesting

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undata

mats_cd03: prepare your bowels for disruption

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xinxi

no one is here?

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you are here.

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people are around

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvl2nw2wkkM << another sweet talk by goodspeed

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#HITB2013AMS D1T1 Travis Goodspeed - Nifty Tricks and Sage Advice for Shellcode on Embedded Systems - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B2lLmL )

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i should probably save these for when asciilifeform is around

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c'est bon si bon

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2nslpe/ponzi_treasury_issues_1t_in_new_debt_in_8_weeksto/

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"If the Treasury were forced to convert the $1.4 trillion in short-term bills (on which it now pays an average interest rate of 0.056 percent) into 30-year bonds at the average rate it is now paying on such bonds (4.919 percent) the interest on that $1.4 trillion in debt would increase 88-fold."

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the Day of Days comes closer...

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;;ticker

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http://oldurbanist.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/ever-since-euclid.html << " But their view seems to be that so long as the owner remains clothed with the legal title thereto and is not ousted from the physical possession thereof, his property is not taken, no matter to what extent his right to use it is invaded or destroyed or its present or prospective value is depreciated." << progressives have been grinding down the US for a long time

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Old Urbanist: Ever Since Euclid ... ( http://bit.ly/1vwXT7n )

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PinkPosixPXE

ben_vulpes: or mod6 you around, doing some adjustments on my script, and had a few questions about the modifications requested, quick questions.

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long time no see PinkPosixPXE

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