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00:00 decimation do you have a prospectus?
00:00 The20YearIRCloud Yeah, it's on Havelock, i'll dig up link soon.
00:01 The20YearIRCloud the big thing is getting out from under our locked 6%-8%APY yield, we really can't unless we start selling off properties or leverage.
00:01 The20YearIRCloud Here's the current prosectus decimation , we have a new one on the way - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/Public%20release%20for%20RentalStarter.pdf
00:08 decimation The20YearIRCloud: who writes your mortgages? local ohio banks?
00:14 decimation or do you pay outright cash for the homes?
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00:17 decimation !up The20YearIRCloud
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00:28 decimation The20YearIRCloud: you are looking to buy properties with a total purchase + repair cost of less than 5 years rent - in most us cities properties go for 2-3 times that
00:29 artifexd It takes work, but the deals are there if you look enough.
00:30 artifexd The two properties that I own returned their entire purchase price in 15 months from rent.
00:30 decimation I guess I need to figure out how to get a cheap foreclosure & then find an amish work team :)
00:31 artifexd Are you in the US?
00:32 artifexd You are correct though. Both properties were bought off the courthouse steps.
00:33 decimation yeah I'm in the us
00:34 artifexd See if your area is covered by realforeclose.com. For example all foreclosure auctions in my area are handled at https://www.duval.realforeclose.com/
00:34 assbot R4C - Duval County
00:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087468 = 10.8898 BTC [+]
00:44 decimation wait duval county? Do you live in key west?
00:45 artifexd Duval county is in North East Florida
00:46 decimation err, no that's monroe county, sorry.
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01:19 mircea_popescu $proxies
01:20 empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1057 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
01:20 mircea_popescu $proxies mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com
01:20 empyex mircea_popescu: Temporarily saved.
01:20 empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 568 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
01:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15498 @ 0.00087587 = 13.5742 BTC [+] {2}
01:22 mircea_popescu Ok, so Coinbase advertised (via a popup that appeared when I logged on) that if I complete my verification (which was already done), I'd get $5. It looked like a bug, but for $5 I clicked it anyway and apparently got nothing. And then of course like an idiot I complained about it on reddit. Now (several days later), I get $5 in bitcoin from Coinbase with a message that it's for completing my verification. Thank you Coi
01:22 mircea_popescu nbase, for showing us what integrity is (you really didn't have to do that).
01:23 mircea_popescu the breeding of a new type of tard.
01:24 decimation I like the "complained on reddit" detail
01:25 mircea_popescu i guess minimum wage is not 10 bux all over the us.
01:30 decimation actually no, federal minimum is $7.25 I think
01:30 decimation there's a 'movement' to raise it to $10.10
01:31 mircea_popescu ah ok
01:31 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/08/04/there-are-eight-states-left-with-minimum-wages-lower-than-the-federal-minimum-wage/
01:31 assbot There are eight states left with minimum wages lower than the federal minimum wage - The Washington Post
01:31 decimation wapo concern trolling
01:32 mircea_popescu this is possibly the most incomprehensible part of liberal self contradiciton.
01:32 mircea_popescu they are against voting franchises, because they disproportionately affect the poor, black, etc.
01:33 mircea_popescu they are however in favour of minimum wages, the exact equivalent of the voting franchise
01:33 mircea_popescu in spite of it... disproportionately affecting the poor etc.
01:33 mircea_popescu let's make it so that low income people can't find any jobs, but let's not make it so they can't vote.
01:34 decimation yes, it has often been noted that liberal policy leads to impoverishment of the poor and downtrodden
01:35 mircea_popescu i guess rational consistency isn't that big a deal when one's got feeeehlings.
01:35 decimation well, to be clear, it doesn't matter what you do as long as you keep me in power
01:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile at the dentist's http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnszynqXrB1qbhg4wo1_500.jpg
01:36 decimation http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnszynqXrB1qbhg4wo1_500.jpg
01:36 decimation do'h I missed the copy paste
01:36 mircea_popescu lol
01:37 decimation elites who control the media & derpatrons keep the river of meat flowing, ensuring that their traditional enemies (rednecks, roughly) are crushed
01:38 decimation except now the situation is such that the rednecks are almost completely beaten to submission, which is a problem ... when all the kulaks are dead, who do you blame for your failures?
01:38 mircea_popescu well i guess bitcoin is jit then
01:39 decimation yeah, it is. I wonder if you will see a white/minority divide on bitcoin uptake. I can almost see the headlines now: "digital have-nots need free "access" to bitcoin to live"
01:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00087924 = 3.8687 BTC [+]
01:42 decimation like so: http://www.illinois.gov/dceo/whyillinois/TechnologyServices/Pages/EliminatetheDigitalDivide.aspx
01:42 assbot Technology Services: Eliminate the Digital Divide 2014-15 Grant Program
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01:59 TheNewDeal anybody out there?
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03:11 Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 58.13365572 BTC. Current weight: 19,009.
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05:03 fluffypony http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140808.png
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05:09 mircea_popescu fluffypony well at least it gets him to reorient towards writing nonsense supporting "global warming" so us comedians can talk about how 97% of "scientists" agree
05:09 mircea_popescu as if that does anything.
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05:11 fluffypony lol
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05:20 mircea_popescu lmao look at this, perezhilton still exists. xiaxue still exists.
05:21 mircea_popescu nothing is less fleeting than internet fame huh.
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05:25 BingoBoingo %d
05:27 BingoBoingo Oh, new diff
05:35 mircea_popescu http://www.girlwithaonetrackmind.blogspot.com
05:35 assbot Girl with a one-track mind
05:35 mircea_popescu "This is why I have not written about the most meaningful relationship of my life so far, or about my realising I want a life partner and children."
05:35 mircea_popescu closed down a decade into it. author realises she'd rather be a mommy than a ho.
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05:46 fluffypony has anyone written a blog post on what exactly makes the Bitcoin Foundation such a stupid idea? I mean besides their uselessnes to date, I mean fundamentally why it would never have worked regardless of who was at the top
05:48 mircea_popescu it would have worked fine with better people at the top.
05:49 mircea_popescu so woul have the forum. if bitcointalk weren't run by a random 20yo kid with nary a clue of this world and a random gang of otherwise unemployable, it'd have not failed into the scam swamp of all time.
05:51 chetty good people can make even bad ideas work
05:53 mircea_popescu yeah, the more general point being that no structural considerations can ever excuse personal ineptitude. obama is a failure first and foremost because he, himself, personaly, is an imbecile, not nearly up to the task he asked to be allowed to undertake. every poor black person in jail is in jail because they, personally, are fucktards. the "system", family and all else come vehehehery distant seconds, and of little pr
05:53 mircea_popescu actical consequence.
05:53 mircea_popescu they're only discussed because we don't really give a shit about the prisoner himself. if we did, we'd discuss how fucktarded he is instead of how x is failing y and other statistical wankery.
05:55 chetty but but but, they are all victims
05:56 mircea_popescu they're all fluffy magical unicorns, too. so what of it.
05:57 chetty get with the program, you are supposed to feel sorry and guilty unless of course you too can find a nice victim group to be part of
05:59 mircea_popescu what, gotta have my emotions available for use as part of the "productive future society" ? that's okay, i'm opting out.
05:59 mircea_popescu it'd be fucking ridiculous if i took my capital out of the bezzle, but allowed the emotional soliciting nonsense to continue.
05:59 mircea_popescu i guess that makes me a terrorist AND a sociopath dunnit.
06:00 chetty well they kinda go together, newspeak the words are synonyms
06:04 mircea_popescu you know, english as a discussion space is getting incredibly boring these days.
06:04 mircea_popescu you have "science" which mostly consists of the sterile nonsense of "creationists" and a few fringe groups (homeopaths, scientologists, whatever nuts), some very primitive "o look, I discovered fractals" repackaging of basic understanding ("i fucking love science!11") and a bunch of bureaucracy-serving faux debates (o, really, 97.x% of the "scientists" hoping for a govt grant agree the govt position has scientific valu
06:04 mircea_popescu e ? how very ceausescu v2.0 of them!).
06:05 mircea_popescu you have politics/current affairs, which are mostly a bunch of who we're calling the bad things this week, putin "doesn't understand how the world works" for having dared to humiliate our beloved leadership bimonthly for the past year, and israelis are whatever and on and on
06:05 mircea_popescu and then you have some stale local interests topics, mostly molded in this mold, and some (bad) sports.
06:05 mircea_popescu that's it. im surprised people even bother learning the language for this crap. o wait... they don't, do they.
06:06 chetty well do not dispair we have b-a
06:08 mircea_popescu talking to some random guy yest
06:08 mircea_popescu him : It's gonna take awhile to digest this. You like writing eh.
06:08 mircea_popescu me :i have a lot to say :D
06:08 mircea_popescu him:lol yeah, it's an unusual writing style. It's like a mix of technical , story telling and stretched analogies. I'm sure you get a lot of hardcore readers who follow along. from a technical standpoint, its somewhat of a nightmare lol.
06:09 mircea_popescu basically, that's what b-a reduces to : using english as a language rather than as a lingo is so uncommon by now, it takes intelligent people some effort to accommodate.
06:09 chetty whats this?
06:10 mircea_popescu hm ?
06:13 punkman what's this technical standpoint anyway
06:14 mircea_popescu punkman i believe it'd be the proposition that words work unequivocally and logic may be applied to natural language constructs.
06:15 punkman "this isn't the textbook I was expecting!" ?
06:15 mircea_popescu it all dovetails neatly into BingoBoingo's recent stuff about sublanguages. and i guess my recent post, at that.
06:16 mircea_popescu the possibility of text meaning something to the reader is quite severely restricted by a whole list of novel issues, not directly familiar to the historian of this topic.
06:16 mircea_popescu by chance, i was just reading the latest on crooked timber. here : http://crookedtimber.org/2014/08/07/shit-and-curses-and-other-updates-on-the-steven-salaita-affair/comment-page-4/#comment-551490
06:16 assbot Shit and Curses, and Other Updates on the Steven Salaita Affair (Updated) — Crooked Timber
06:17 mircea_popescu there's a bunch of academics no less, discussing a topic of no particular interest with utter abandon : some palestinian guy who's also a professor got offered a job and then de-offered the job, because urbana admin didn't like him ranting about israelis on twitter.
06:18 mircea_popescu now this is all about as irrelevant as you like, but if you read what these commenters say to each other it becomes rapidly obvious they fail before even remotely engaging.
06:18 mircea_popescu goat sperm'd have a better shot impregnating toad eggs.
06:20 mircea_popescu so i suspect pop culture and the (very specifically english, btw, and chinese!) tendency towards the lowest common denominator and cultural sterility is the result of this chasm : on one hand people expect to be belonging together, unwarrantedly. on the other hand, they share exactly nothing.
06:21 mircea_popescu thus parallel discussion is not a funny occurence but the vast majority of all interractions, people happily arguing with self-constructed dopplegangers of each other respectively. basically, a strawman is not merely a logical error, but the substance of all english language discourse today.
06:21 punkman oh wow
06:22 punkman I like this concept of parallel discussion
06:22 mircea_popescu it started as this literary device i had thought i had invented like a decade ago. we even tried to work it into our book with chet.
06:23 mircea_popescu but the more i read the more i realise that actually... it's not me inventing something novel, it's my brain trying to cope with nonsense.
06:25 mircea_popescu back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport.
06:25 mircea_popescu i suppose it must be cheaper than actual speech.
06:27 punkman yeah you don't have to spend any processing cycles on what the other guy said, just do the most superficial patter-matching to harvest some entropy for your markov chain
06:27 mircea_popescu precisely.
06:28 mircea_popescu so you know, when the markov chain-based invaders finally take over, they'll be welcomed by the populace.
06:28 punkman "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you like an equal!"
06:29 mircea_popescu i don't think action is possible anymore.
06:29 mircea_popescu you can't run with your eyes closed. you can';t act in a world inhabited by these phantasms.
06:29 mircea_popescu i suspect for the average english as sole language speaker action is actually impossible today.
06:30 chetty I am not sure its actually language relevant
06:31 mircea_popescu how do you mean ?
06:32 chetty people can fail to think in any language.
06:32 chetty speaking multiples probably just gives you a better shot at noticing
06:32 mircea_popescu well, here's the thing : some languages act as a metamind for the speakers. the collected intellectual effort of antecessors having constructed the linguistic equivalent of engineer's rulers and whatnot. so that through the mere workings of the language, one's point is refined.
06:33 mircea_popescu this used to work in english too, three centuries ago. "put your idea in writing to see what it actually says".
06:33 mircea_popescu some other languages however act as a confounder of thought, i am discovering, and a hindrance to expression.
06:34 mircea_popescu contemporary english being a major example of this sad situation. a point expressed in today';s english is actually LESS than what it was before it met expression. that's a sad state of affairs,
06:34 chetty I dun think thats the languages fault, poor abused language
06:34 mircea_popescu and it creates a spiral of doom. as the language stops working positively, people stop caring, and so it'll just rot further.
06:34 punkman how's the spanish language fare?
06:35 mircea_popescu punkman i can't really distinguish latin languages enough to have an oppinion, other than that modern french is perhaps having a similar if unrelated problem.
06:36 mircea_popescu maybe it's all the fallout of television, who's to know. "here's what three generations of visual 'thinking' barbarians will do to language" sort of thing.
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06:59 chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZcbal7CUAI7yUx.jpg
07:00 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport. << Interestingly this is why I kind of follow sports. There
07:00 BingoBoingo is an entire infrastructure built around the mythos of each team and numerous parallel conversations, but at the end of the season there is a win-loss record and people are butthurt in proportion to how wrong the mythos they bought into was
07:01 mircea_popescu that's a point.
07:01 mircea_popescu i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport.
07:02 chetty even sports is getting ugly with the libtards butting in these days
07:02 mircea_popescu chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"
07:02 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport. << Not quite because of kayfabe and the heel/face dynamic.
07:02 mircea_popescu something tells me it won't work.
07:03 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what is the whole "x random team owner is racist" thing ?
07:03 mircea_popescu kayfabe neh ?
07:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's not sports, that's politics.
07:03 BingoBoingo And private taxation styled after North Korea.
07:03 mircea_popescu there can not be such a difference.
07:04 chetty <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: That's not sports, that's politics.// but they are intersecting in a distrubing way
07:04 mircea_popescu differentiation presumes meaning. if you can't have meaning, you can't say "that's not sports, that's politics"
07:07 chetty <mircea_popescu> chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"// maybe more than blacks actually, how often do you need to look up stuff in urban dictionary?
07:07 BingoBoingo Steve Ballermer and Magic Johnson fighting over who gets to take Sterling's team is a political discussion a la which contractor gets this bunch of tax money. David Price can't in the middle of the game take Mike Trout's bat and compell him to use a curtain rod instead.
07:07 mircea_popescu well every time someone talks about me, interestingly enough.
07:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hm. that's a point.
07:08 BingoBoingo The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics.
07:09 chetty <BingoBoingo> The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics./7 and now the NFL is talking about adding rules concerning spousal abuse, same thing
07:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it doesn't stop there tho. i used to watch formula one, but then... guess what ? david price intervened in the middle of the game and took everyone's bats away and forced them to use curtain rods.
07:11 chetty was it NFL talking about banning the word nigger on the field or you get penalties?
07:11 BingoBoingo chetty: It was the NFL
07:11 chetty thats politics getting on the field for sure
07:12 BingoBoingo Baseball handles these things in a saner way for now. Player A calls player B a nigger and B's team like's him A is getting hit with a fastball.
07:15 BingoBoingo The acceptance of a level of violence keeps things civil, as while the normal outcome is a nasty welt, broken bones and season or career ending injuries are possible.
07:17 chetty BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst
07:19 BingoBoingo <chetty> BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst << The NFL is probably doomed to this on the sport's fundamentals and the number of rules already existing to keep players out of wheelchairs.
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07:48 mircea_popescu in retrospect, look at the trouble fluffypony started!
07:50 BingoBoingo White Africa is the worst
07:54 mircea_popescu so this Sayeeda Hussain Warsi chick quit the uk govt in protest of its support of israel
07:54 mircea_popescu she did not quit it earlier in protest of say strikes against pakistani that resulted in what, 1mn people displaced ?
07:54 mircea_popescu all over waziristan
07:55 mircea_popescu she is pakistani, not palestinian. how are these people to be taken seriously ?
07:55 BingoBoingo They aren't to be.
07:55 BingoBoingo This is what Baroney in the UK has devolved to.
07:56 mircea_popescu a well.
07:56 mircea_popescu anyway, time to try sleep again. lkaters!
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08:07 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/come-see-me-clutching-at-straws/
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09:05 BingoBoingo !up The20YearIRCloud
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09:22 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/ihuntpineapples
09:22 assbot I Hunt Pineapples (ihuntpineapples) auf Twitter
09:27 The20YearIRCloud I'm free!
09:28 BingoBoingo Yeah just took a while
09:30 The20YearIRCloud Decimation - In our market I can buy houses that return revenues of purchase price within 5 years all day long. I was on the MLS last night looking in an area I want to expand to and found 14
09:30 The20YearIRCloud All in decent areas too, some of them would return in 3.5 or 4 years
09:36 xmj The20YearIRCloud: where is your market?
09:37 xmj i.e. where do you live?
09:37 BingoBoingo His market is Ohio
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10:14 BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/08/bergdahl/
10:14 assbot SGT Bowe Bergdahl Wanders off Medicine Floor; Gets Captured by Surgery | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
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11:22 BingoBoingo !up elgrecoFL
11:22 BingoBoingo !up Enky
11:22 BingoBoingo !up DreadKnight
11:22 BingoBoingo !up davidlatapie
11:22 BingoBoingo !up punkman1
11:24 BingoBoingo http://www.deadline.com/2014/08/the-expendables-3-trailer-video-ronda-rouseysylvester-stallone-mel-gibson/
11:24 assbot 'Expendables 3' Leak Probed By Homeland Security As Lionsgate Sues Pirates
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11:47 pankkake it looks like dooglus likes https://dicebitco.in/
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12:07 BingoBoingo pankkake: Looks like Just-Dice, or appears to be handiwork of Dooglus?
12:07 pankkake conspiracy theories abound
12:08 kakobrekla nice chumpatronic design
12:09 pankkake I've only determined they both use the node.js Express framework (my first step is usually to determine wether it's PHP)
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12:31 ben_vulpes (but does it ==== php?)
12:34 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: So Imma looking at this van-ads thing and wondering... How does the payouts occur on Mondays part work?
12:38 BingoBoingo !up OX3_
12:38 BingoBoingo Hello OX3_
12:40 BingoBoingo !up Quanttek
12:40 BingoBoingo !up elgrecoFL
12:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00085292 = 11.5997 BTC [-] {3}
12:42 BingoBoingo !up Mantrid
12:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2699625 = 2.1597 BTC [+] {3}
12:45 ben_vulpes !s libreboot
12:45 assbot 0 results for 'libreboot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=libreboot
12:45 ben_vulpes http://libreboot.org/
12:45 assbot Libreboot project
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13:25 pankkake Apocalyptic: X-BT says Bitcoin deposits credited after 3 confirms, it's 6 and nothing
13:25 pankkake maybe you should show which block you are on too
13:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00085244 = 5.7966 BTC [-]
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13:48 BingoBoingo %d
13:48 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 975670.95 in 1882 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 107.79
13:50 Apocalyptic pankkake, feel free to pm me the txid and I will have a look
13:57 ben_vulpes %t
13:57 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 248 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 199k High: 199 Low: 195 VWAP: 197
13:57 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
13:57 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 587.31, Best ask: 587.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 587.66, 24 hour volume: 2072.79833443, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.67, 24 hour vwap: 0
13:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1869 @ 0.00085249 = 1.5933 BTC [+]
13:59 pankkake ben_vulpes: http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/product/ibm-lenovo-thinkpad-x60-coreboot/
13:59 assbot LibreBoot X60 | GNU/Linux Computers
14:00 mod6 %ob
14:00 pankkake I hope I can get one cheaper, but maybe the coreboot thing makes them highly prized items though :(
14:00 atcbot 8k@260 17k@250 46k@248 | 15k@195 40k@190 18k@188
14:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.014899 = 0.5215 BTC [-] {2}
14:01 BingoBoingo The x/t 60's tend to be prized anyways simply for the sheer amount of stuff that runs on them.
14:01 pankkake now I'm more looking for t60 + ultrabay actually. we'll see if my ebay snipes work
14:02 pankkake I like the old "collector" hardware. I have 2 or 3 Plextor Premium
14:03 pankkake and two other DVD drives with other nice characteristics (one with an altered firmware)
14:04 ben_vulpes pankkake: want
14:05 pankkake I'm so obsessed with RAIDs I want them in laptops too
14:06 kakobrekla thats easily doable
14:06 kakobrekla at least what 2 drives give you.
14:07 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/
14:07 pankkake yeah 2 drives in raid1. with the ultrabay system or some clevos I suppose. but not on <14"
14:08 kakobrekla nah
14:08 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/498168827151409152 Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/ … #ThisTurnedPedanticFast
14:08 assbot Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse | Bingo Blog
14:08 kakobrekla some of the tp x series have extra msata slot. i have two x220 with two ssds innit and lampelina has x230 with ssd and hdd. both are 13.5"
14:09 pankkake ooh I forgot about mSATA
14:09 pankkake actually my latest laptop has an extra mini PCI-E too
14:12 kakobrekla yeah msata is going out slowly before it even came in
14:12 pankkake it's m.2 now? I'm confused by all those things
14:12 kakobrekla M.2 is the new shit
14:12 kakobrekla yea
14:12 pankkake the issue with it is that I want the drives to be readable from other computers, so all those formats are annoying
14:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01464761 = 0.7031 BTC [-] {3}
14:13 kakobrekla for msata there are cheap converters to sata
14:13 kakobrekla for m.2 they will be if not yet
14:14 pankkake I hope so, even a slow usb thing, just for recovery
14:14 kakobrekla pankkake http://techreport.com/news/26360/tiny-usb-3-0-enclosure-houses-msata-drives
14:14 assbot Tiny USB 3.0 enclosure houses mSATA drives - The Tech Report
14:14 kakobrekla :)
14:14 pankkake nice
14:21 kakobrekla actually i have a m.2 option on my workstations mobo
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00085244 = 9.0359 BTC [-]
14:25 BingoBoingo !up OX3_
14:38 BingoBoingo http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/interim-guidance-specimen-collection-submission-patients-suspected-infection-ebola.html
14:38 assbot Interim Guidance: Specimen Collection, Transport, Testing, and Submission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC
14:38 BingoBoingo "A minimum volume of 4mL whole blood preserved with EDTA, clot activator, sodium polyanethol sulfonate (SPS), or citrate in plastic collection tubes can be submitted for EVD testing. Do not submit specimens to CDC in glass containers. Do not submit specimens preserved in heparin tubes."
14:39 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/866/bitcoin-over-1000-before-september/ lol @graph
14:39 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin over $1000 before September :: 6.47 B (11%) on Yes, 51.67 B (89%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 3 days | weight: 18`496 (100`000 to 1)
14:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah heparin ruins pcr
14:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Exactly. Posted wondering who would point that out first.
14:40 mircea_popescu lol
14:43 BingoBoingo Though... a heparin is probably the opposite of something you want to take if you come down with Ebola
14:46 BingoBoingo Do not perserve with heparin for testing /= herparin destroys Ebola
14:47 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
14:48 gribble Current Blocks: 314756 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1755 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22734326883.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.22927
14:50 kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/q/Ne/3bujZa9a/bitcointalk-banners.png
14:51 kakobrekla if the offer is really that good, he should take it.
14:54 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ahaha
14:54 fluffypony lol
14:54 mircea_popescu dude you're like... a lolgod by now.
14:57 dignork somewhat amusing: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cRYvK4jb
15:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that's an interesting theory. someone should probably run lexical analysis over sports coverage and politics in the us, past century.
15:00 mircea_popescu it makes perfect sense that there'd be backflow mostly on the obvious grounds that afaik for most of the history a sports journo was better paid than a political comentator
15:01 mircea_popescu consequently, it'd stand to reason that as sportscasters became unemployed, they'd have started the huffpo of their time.
15:01 mircea_popescu but theyd have also taken the tools of their trade, that made them better paid in the first place, along for the ride.
15:03 BingoBoingo Well, Ted Turner did both start CNN and own the Atlanta Braves...
15:05 mircea_popescu "Every system has to have some quanta of uncertainty affecting it." << that's not a correct use of the term. a quanta is a fixed, measurable, known quantity which quantifies a quantized system, such as 1 is the quanta of binary computing. in physics and so the surrounding world, (macroscopic)energy is usually hν, ie planck's constant (the quanta) times th frequency.
15:06 mircea_popescu well technically quanta is the plural of quantum, so i should prolly say quantum, but anwyay.
15:08 ben_vulpes <decimation> I want to move to an emacs-based chat client but I need to configure a cloud-host like ben_vulpes << lowendbox
15:10 BingoBoingo Well, judgment calls and blind refs/umpires can be enumerated after the fact.
15:10 mircea_popescu but they're not all equal.
15:10 mircea_popescu say modicum for this use of quanta, that's correct.
15:10 mircea_popescu quantum != modicum, mostly because latin works as a language.
15:12 BingoBoingo I see
15:14 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/#comment-21603
15:14 assbot Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse | Bingo Blog
15:16 BingoBoingo ^ comment markup now corrected
15:16 ben_vulpes http://aeon.co/magazine/nature-and-cosmos/pregnancy-is-a-battleground-between-mother-father-and-baby/
15:16 assbot Pregnancy is a war between mother and child Suzanne Sadedin Aeon
15:16 mircea_popescu now that's a point, it is.
15:17 mircea_popescu !up Chihbarb
15:20 mircea_popescu the homepage of www.academi.com is hosted on
15:20 mircea_popescu Amazon Web Service, while the other IPs are in the range:
15:20 mircea_popescu NetRange: 67.238.84.224 - 67.238.84.255
15:20 mircea_popescu CIDR: 67.238.84.224/27
15:20 mircea_popescu CustName: Blackwater USA
15:20 mircea_popescu Address: 850 Puddin Ridge Rd
15:20 mircea_popescu such cheapness srsly.
15:21 mircea_popescu i bet you ddos on the range would actually significantly disrupt their infrastructure. nuke the email server half hour before some important summit, embarrass them to all shit.
15:21 fluffypony AWS is pretty robust with that - their infrastructure gets DDoS'd on the daily
15:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00084549 = 23.3355 BTC [-] {4}
15:22 mircea_popescu yup.
15:22 mircea_popescu but not cleared to hold the rest.
15:22 fluffypony word
15:22 mircea_popescu so cheapo inept blackwater just put the webfront on aws to noit have to handle ddos
15:22 mircea_popescu and then called it a day.
15:22 fluffypony nobody does their own shit anymore
15:22 mircea_popescu why protect the soft belly ? OBSCURITY!!!
15:22 mircea_popescu nobody is going to be able to figure out what 67.238.84.x ip to take out!
15:29 mircea_popescu o look whatweb. nice write-up dignork
15:40 BingoBoingo %t
15:40 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 250 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 265k High: 199 Low: 188 VWAP: 195
15:43 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
15:44 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.15, Best ask: 587.19, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 587.2, 24 hour volume: 1881.05641237, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.67, 24 hour vwap: 0
15:44 BingoBoingo %p
15:44 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
15:50 BingoBoingo !up AntonOsika
15:50 BingoBoingo Hello AntonOsika
15:53 AntonOsika Hi BingoBoingo!
15:53 BingoBoingo What brings you around these parts?
15:54 AntonOsika I am the young man who was chatting here with the nick CheapBoy, but wanted to use my real name when verifying my identity!
15:55 fluffypony sehr gut
15:55 AntonOsika I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer.
15:56 AntonOsika Anyways, I should have the PGP key for being verified!
15:57 BingoBoingo Ah, cool
15:57 BingoBoingo !up AntonOsika
15:58 BingoBoingo AntonOsika: Have you registered with gribble yet?
15:58 AntonOsika Nope, I still can not find the right commands for it.
15:58 AntonOsika ( http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots#commands )
15:58 assbot irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
16:00 BingoBoingo AntonOsika: This page may be more helpful http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
16:00 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
16:00 AntonOsika Awesome! I never got pointed towards that resource before
16:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8958 @ 0.00084494 = 7.569 BTC [-] {2}
16:01 BingoBoingo AntonOsika: You are welcome
16:02 BingoBoingo !up AntonOsika
16:03 kakobrekla moiety does a great job on the wiki.
16:05 AntonOsika Indeed. And I'm happy that I get greeted when coming here.
16:09 kakobrekla assbot does a great job as a porter
16:11 BingoBoingo Some day assbot might get promoted to Concierge
16:23 BingoBoingo !up Guest69
16:23 BingoBoingo !up AntonOsika
16:28 mircea_popescu <AntonOsika> I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer. << go on
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16:57 BingoBoingo !up diana_coman
16:57 BingoBoingo !up AntonOsika
16:57 AntonOsika Thanks, by brother called me
16:58 AntonOsika +mircea_popescu Yes, I'll go on! I was the newbie under the nick CheapBoy wanting to bet on ethereum. I'm still interested, haven't had time to get the WoT up untill now. What's your take on ethereum now?
16:58 mircea_popescu nothing changed.
17:00 AntonOsika Ok. Would I be the first to bet against you? :)
17:02 mircea_popescu yes.
17:04 BingoBoingo <gmaxwell> Can you please make your negative rating say US Government? The current message you've used is very unclear in its meaning. << Win
17:04 BingoBoingo ;;rated gmaxwell
17:04 gribble You rated user gmaxwell on Tue Jul 22 21:19:27 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant.
17:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 416 @ 0.0017579 = 0.7313 BTC [-] {3}
17:06 ben_vulpes the whole point is to make people actually come talk to one
17:09 AntonOsika So I pay 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered when there is some market for buying it. Latest date for that market is 25th of July?
17:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8920 @ 0.00079744 = 7.1132 BTC [-] {2}
17:11 ben_vulpes wow cpanel does some insane shit to machines
17:11 BingoBoingo http://www.boston.com/news/2014/08/08/reagan-aide-homicide-brady-death-ruled-homicide-reagan-aide-jim-brady-death-ruled-homicide-reagan-aide-jim-brady-death-ruled/YmjuMWJF93sRMxhlXmCSON/story.html
17:11 assbot Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide - News - Boston.com
17:12 ben_vulpes it *really* wants httpd up, for instance
17:14 AntonOsika +mircea_popescu Is the offer 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered in march?
17:15 mircea_popescu AntonOsika yes.
17:15 BingoBoingo ;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant of either US government or Aubergine variety
17:15 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gmaxwell has changed from -1 to -1.
17:16 AntonOsika And you said something about: just 1 satoshi after 25th of july if they still haven't finished a market for it
17:16 fluffypony BingoBoingo: ?
17:16 fluffypony oh you're updating a rating
17:16 fluffypony thought it was a new one
17:16 fluffypony nm
17:16 BingoBoingo fluffypony: He PM'd me asking for it
17:16 fluffypony what was it before?
17:17 BingoBoingo Just the part before the word "of"
17:18 fluffypony lol
17:18 AntonOsika ;;eauth antonosika 86ac5789f93ed2e7
17:18 gribble (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
17:20 AntonOsika Should one use ;;register or ;;eregister?
17:20 kdomanski depends
17:20 AntonOsika ;;eregister antonosika 86ac5789f93ed2e7
17:20 gribble Request successful for user antonosika, hostmask AntonOsika!55e5eda8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.229.237.168. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/86AC5789F93ED2E7
17:20 kdomanski you want to use a key flagged for signing or for encryption?
17:22 mircea_popescu dignork http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/ thanks :)
17:22 assbot The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
17:23 mircea_popescu AntonOsika there's a sample contract in hte logs
17:23 AntonOsika Ok sounds good. Whats hte?
17:24 kdomanski :O
17:24 mircea_popescu !s dpaste
17:24 assbot 71 results for 'dpaste' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dpaste
17:24 kakobrekla !s from:mircea_popescu dpaste
17:24 assbot 3 results for 'from:mircea_popescu dpaste' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+dpaste
17:25 mircea_popescu or did i pastebin it hum
17:25 mircea_popescu holy shit where did i put it.
17:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770333 << fuck it expired. meh!
17:26 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
17:27 mircea_popescu AntonOsika http://pastebin.com/9NUvgUuS << there.
17:27 assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com
17:27 mircea_popescu !up extra
17:27 mircea_popescu !up extraaa
17:27 extra hello
17:27 mircea_popescu hi
17:27 AntonOsika ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8563de1184e95a7afe55332fa5be961fa740bc9deabf1dfc3daf7db1
17:27 gribble Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user antonosika with key 86AC5789F93ED2E7
17:28 kdomanski !up AntonOsika
17:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i see boston.com has the seo gods on their urlside.
17:31 mircea_popescu also, here's a chick that can ride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3G8R5K4_8
17:31 assbot Sexiest Mechanical Bull Ride - YouTube
17:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: SEO is a scam. Anyone who promises traffic from google without supposing the solution is cat pictures is a fraud.
17:32 AntonOsika +mircea_popescu Nice contract. It's the release date that worries me since I'm not interested in betting on if things go as scheduled or not.
17:32 mircea_popescu AntonOsika things are scheduled for ~this winter!
17:33 mircea_popescu but that aside, you can have a longer contract, what do i care.
17:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5258 @ 0.00078069 = 4.1049 BTC [-]
17:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00077939 = 4.9881 BTC [-]
17:35 AntonOsika If it get's delayed months I guess you would have mostly won anyways, Maybe you could then "sell" your contract for less than 3 BTC so that you still would have profited?
17:36 ben_vulpes http://techno-anthropology.blogspot.com/2014/08/everything-good-correlates-bash.html
17:36 assbot Techno-anthropology: Everything Good Correlates (a bash-scripted thought experiment thing about the clustering of sexually desirable traits)
17:36 AntonOsika I dont want to risk losing all the eths for a delay. But I understand that you simply dont want to have a contract for longer than a year
17:37 AntonOsika (those guys have had delays before...)
17:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4959 @ 0.00078069 = 3.8714 BTC [+]
17:37 mircea_popescu AntonOsika did you read the part where it says "<mircea_popescu> but that aside, you can have a longer contract, what do i care." ?
17:38 mircea_popescu anyway, the scammers involved didn't "have delays before". they scammed before. the difference is marked.
17:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5742 @ 0.00079528 = 4.5665 BTC [+] {3}
17:39 dignork mircea_popescu: it's not my write-up, just found it.
17:39 mircea_popescu dignork i know.
17:39 mircea_popescu it's very convenient you linked it here, then i can put it on trilema plausibly deniably.
17:40 dignork :)
17:42 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/
17:44 AntonOsika mircea_popescu Yup I read the contract. I'll make another draft alright?
17:44 mircea_popescu kay
17:47 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
17:47 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.89, Best ask: 590.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 590.57, 24 hour volume: 1711.80568909, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.55, 24 hour vwap: 0
17:47 BingoBoingo ^ Where's the volume???
17:47 BingoBoingo %t
17:47 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 220 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 265k High: 199 Low: 188 VWAP: 195
17:48 BingoBoingo ^ O hai there
17:50 mircea_popescu by the way, for all of you still using dropbox : dropbox beleeted the finfisher dump.
17:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out : https://twitter.com/VUPEN/status/482065773033422848 vupen is making a "no such con" conference thingee.
17:51 mircea_popescu how does it feel to be an industry thought leader / cultural influencer ?
17:54 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S2E6C1.txt )
17:54 BingoBoingo !b 3
17:56 dignork there was some torrent for finfisher, so dropbox is for someone who really wants to leave IP footprints
17:57 mircea_popescu there's this retarded hipster mindset using google docs, dropbox, gmail and whatnot.
17:57 mircea_popescu it has to go away.
17:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6379 @ 0.00078045 = 4.9785 BTC [-]
17:59 BingoBoingo !up AntonOsika
18:00 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Prolly the same retarded thing that sends people running to Tumbler and Disqusting for their blogging tools and becoming unable to leave when they outgrow them. Even Google's blogger let you export shit.
18:00 mircea_popescu i guess.
18:01 ben_vulpes "property of poorly managed systems that increase in resources lowers productivity" << related also to amounts of free energy in the system?
18:01 BingoBoingo It's this compulsion to use the Newest without regard for anything else with an element of "Let's have someone else's computer do my heavy lifting, What's the worst that could happen?"
18:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes maybe.
18:02 chetty <BingoBoingo> It's this compulsion to use the Newest without regard for anything else// +++++
18:04 mircea_popescu Method of infection: The surveillance suite is installed after the target accepts installation of a fake update to commonly used software. <<< so... wait. people who never update anything are immune ?
18:04 mircea_popescu derp.
18:05 BingoBoingo Basically they can't escape their consumer programming to have the newest, the shiniest, the most prestigious embadgened
18:07 kdomanski people who update their systems via repository like Linux distros are probably immune too
18:08 mircea_popescu doubt it.
18:08 kdomanski the problem with windows and update dialogs is that derps taught themselves to click right through anything that pops up
18:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00077939 = 4.9491 BTC [-]
18:09 mircea_popescu that kinda comes with the black box territory
18:11 kdomanski btw http://blog.codinghorror.com/teaching-users-to-read/
18:11 assbot Teaching Users to Read
18:12 mircea_popescu "This may sound a little harsh, but you'll see, when you do usability tests, that there are quite a few users who simply do not read words that you put on the screen. If you pop up an error box of any sort, they simply will not read it. This may be disconcerting to you as a programmer, because you imagine yourself as conducting a dialog with the user. Hey, user! You can't open that file, we don't support that file form
18:12 mircea_popescu at! Still, experience shows that the more words you put on that dialog box, the fewer people will actually read it."
18:12 mircea_popescu maybe they read it in their own terms.
18:13 mircea_popescu Dialog boxes usually say "If you want to tech the tech, you need to tech the tech with the teching tech tech. Tech the tech? Yes / No"
18:13 mircea_popescu exactly.
18:13 kdomanski yup
18:13 ben_vulpes <BingoBoingo> Basically they can't escape their consumer programming to have the newest, the shiniest, the most prestigious embadgened << for macos users, the programming is in the machine, in the user, and in people writing software for the thing. the people writing the software write for the latest platform, 'cause "80% uptake rate in 24 hours! why not!?", which makes a vicious spiral where unless you're running the latest and
18:13 ben_vulpes greatest your browser/whatever experience is going to be ultra lame
18:14 mircea_popescu i don't run js. my experience is not lame at all.
18:14 mircea_popescu it keeps me from interacting with a good chunkc of available idiocy
18:14 mircea_popescu this is a service.
18:14 ben_vulpes you probably don't use consumer-grade services period.
18:15 mircea_popescu what's consumer-grade ?
18:15 ben_vulpes who even knows
18:15 ben_vulpes airbnb/9flats
18:15 mircea_popescu kdomanski atwood's comments are idiotic. the spolski & lippert quotes are interesting.
18:15 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes trilema runs on fucking wordpress.
18:16 kdomanski mircea_popescu: never heard of lippert. URL?
18:18 kdomanski ben_vulpes: the diarrhea of "technology" buzzwords is sufficient testament to the insanity that consumer-grade web services have become
18:19 kdomanski mircea_popescu: nevermind, found him
18:19 ben_vulpes i wouldn't even know. all i actually know is bearings and deflections and universal joints. this web shit is all new territory to me.
18:20 mircea_popescu kdomanski http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/
18:20 assbot Fabulous Adventures In Coding - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
18:20 kdomanski thanks
18:21 mircea_popescu !up fn1
18:21 mircea_popescu all these fucktards proceeding on the socialistoid "o, all user are equal and equal to one, we must serve them"
18:21 mircea_popescu fuck the stupid users. nobody cares about rakim.
18:23 mircea_popescu !up ascii_at_beach
18:23 mircea_popescu no fucking wai.
18:23 ascii_at_beach lol
18:23 mircea_popescu THIS IS NOT WHAT THE SHAREHOLDERS EXPECTED!
18:24 kdomanski atwood actually said a few reasonable words about how companies should focus on intermediate users, instead of the noobs
18:25 mircea_popescu not in that article.
18:25 kdomanski "Beginners should either become intermediates or, in a manner of speaking, die trying."
18:25 kdomanski no
18:25 mircea_popescu in that article he's all about wizards and bullshit.
18:25 mircea_popescu please, more talking paper clips
18:25 mircea_popescu o.O
18:26 kdomanski this one is in put in a different context
18:26 kdomanski if you're making an office suite, you have to appeal to IQ<100
18:26 asciilifeform !up ascii_at_beach
18:27 kdomanski office drones are a big market
18:27 * ascii_at_beach needs to find a cleaner way to do this than injection
18:27 kakobrekla injection?
18:27 mircea_popescu kdomanski nobody stops to think that well, organisations populated by the mouthbreathing won't survive anyway.
18:28 mircea_popescu he's such an opsec freak he's hacking his own boxen
18:28 ascii_at_beach finfisher << pathetic joke, like 'carnivore' and offer Official turdware
18:29 kdomanski mircea_popescu: long term they won't, but short term? quarterly bottom line & shit
18:29 ascii_at_beach 'kindly install this trojan, for the good of the Motherland. sincerely, usg.'
18:29 mircea_popescu kdomanski excuse me while im being all ideological over here.
18:29 mircea_popescu ascii_at_beach it is, yes.
18:30 ascii_at_beach mircea_popescu: re: english language: this is a dire problem. more so than anyone is really willing to admit. ask - anyone who routinely translates to english from an 'adult' language
18:30 mircea_popescu i have.
18:31 mircea_popescu my tribulations doing that are about half of what led to the article.
18:31 mircea_popescu (mine was backwards. one person hacked some code together even to prove to me my romanian can in fact not be translated to english)
18:32 ascii_at_beach lol!
18:32 mircea_popescu at least the whole college system in the us is providing value...less data on "what happens if you try do have pig latin academia"
18:33 mircea_popescu maybe i should have said priceless.
18:33 ascii_at_beach not like the next mega-empire that gets tired of living will study 'prior art.'
18:34 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Mac OS has been stable for some time OS 7.5.1 was what, two decades ago?
18:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5721 @ 0.00078041 = 4.4647 BTC [+] {2}
18:37 mircea_popescu !s pummle
18:37 assbot 2 results for 'pummle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pummle
18:37 mircea_popescu peterl is that a fact ?
18:37 peterl yup, my new name
18:38 mircea_popescu lemme ask you something. do you trade altchains atm ?
18:38 peterl me? no
18:38 mircea_popescu do you trade anything at all ?
18:39 peterl wait, what do you mean altchains?
18:39 mircea_popescu like litecoin or w/e other bitcoin wannabes
18:40 mircea_popescu http://dogtownessays.com/wordpress/2012/12/08/a-cold-day-in-hell/ << i lolled.
18:40 assbot Canecitt » Blog Archive » A Cold Day in Hell
18:40 peterl oh, no, I don't trade much.
18:40 mircea_popescu aite.
18:41 peterl I sold my old extra bitcointalk account just before I started pummle.
18:41 mircea_popescu lol i wonder how many of those are owner-operated.
18:42 BingoBoingo Like 2Chainz with less hiphop
18:42 ascii_at_beach 'they are desperate to avoid a scenario where the US collapses on its own, with no external enemy to blame...'
18:42 ascii_at_beach (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/german-stunner-west-is-on-wrong-path_8.html)
18:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00078792 = 1.5364 BTC [+]
18:45 mircea_popescu i agree, that'd not be good for anyone.
18:46 ascii_at_beach mircea_popescu: on the contrary - very good for vendors of rope, soap.
18:47 mircea_popescu you know engines of flying machiens can fail in two modes.
18:47 mircea_popescu generally, the restartable failure is preferable.
18:47 ascii_at_beach 'restartable' is, afaik, just a happy nostalgic dream at this point
18:48 mircea_popescu i disagree.
18:48 asciilifeform !up ascii_at_beach
18:48 mircea_popescu but im also taking off to town, so we'll continue later.
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19:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00078438 = 8.6674 BTC [-]
19:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00078438 = 1.8433 BTC [-]
19:34 peterl somebody pump and dumped S.MPOE?
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19:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0007881 = 2.8766 BTC [+]
20:05 ben_vulpes http://online.wsj.com/articles/counterterrorism-official-says-homegrown-lone-wolf-is-greatest-airport-terror-threat-1407533128 << sounds like the homeland surveillance system is gearing up to talk americans into putting themselves under rigorous surveillance
20:05 assbot Counterterrorism Official Says Homegrown 'Lone Wolf' Is Greatest Airport Terror Threat - WSJ
20:15 kdomanski ben_vulpes: generally that's what they do all the time, but this article seems to focus on airport employees
20:22 ben_vulpes what's your story, kdomanski ?
20:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00078704 = 0.8264 BTC [-]
20:28 ben_vulpes mike_c, pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo, fluffypony: i'm taking van down for a bit.
20:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00078704 = 2.8333 BTC [-]
20:47 ben_vulpes back up.
20:52 kdomanski ben_vulpes: story?
20:53 ben_vulpes it's an open ended question intentionally. whence thy interest in bitcoin, what you aim to get out of spending time in -assets, anything relevant you care to share...
20:55 kdomanski huh, the interest in bitcoin is purely ideological - every opportunity to empower the individual is interesting to me
20:56 kdomanski and -assets is a very stimulating environment, intelectually
21:01 kdomanski you could say, I'm here for wisdom not found anywhere else
21:10 ben_vulpes benvenuto a la serenissima
21:10 ben_vulpes how do you come by your food credits?
21:11 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: ping
21:12 kdomanski embedded engineering
21:13 ben_vulpes anything interestin? or remote controls and the like
21:15 kdomanski at a research institute, measurement instrumentation, or a CPU for a part of a part of a part of a satellite
21:25 kdomanski ben_vulpes: you're not Ben Vulpes the belgian DJ, are you?
21:28 ben_vulpes no sir.
21:32 ben_vulpes more like derpy little web apps dot com
21:32 * ben_vulpes wonders if the butts tld is available yet
21:32 ben_vulpes derpylittlewebappsdotbutts
21:33 ben_vulpes derpylittlewebapps.butts
21:36 kdomanski as in survantjames.com ?
21:36 ben_vulpes that'd be the one.
21:37 ben_vulpes SJ is more of the "full-stack polyglot development and UX shop"
21:37 ben_vulpes we're buzzword compliant.
21:37 kdomanski huh, I recently applied to a similiar shop in Hamburg
21:38 kdomanski turns out, I have too much hardware stuff in my CV for that kind of work
21:38 ben_vulpes i figured you're more the matlab kind of person
21:38 kdomanski sweet satan, I hate matlab
21:39 kdomanski everyone around used it
21:39 ben_vulpes funny you should mention that.
21:39 kdomanski I prefer python
21:40 kdomanski in a public institution full of industrial engineers, the only acceptable (or even known) technologies are the ones with serious PR
21:41 kdomanski you know, colorful fliers, catalogues, free conferences and stuff
21:41 ben_vulpes what do you want? those people are suspectible to the pitch. the academia pitch, the "easy to use software" pitch...
21:42 kdomanski yup, thus: matlab, labview
21:42 ben_vulpes labview! that's the one i was trying to remember.
21:42 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/dell-bitcoin/
21:42 ben_vulpes boy did i hate labview...
21:43 kdomanski until a certain measurement instrument saves its logs with periods instead of commas
21:44 kdomanski matlab (or something) wouldn't import it correctly
21:44 kdomanski the first day I watched them change tens of thousands of lines by hand, the second day I showed them sed
21:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4430 @ 0.00078269 = 3.4673 BTC [-]
21:46 kdomanski the shit academia does is a source of laughs for each and every day
21:47 kdomanski for example, they would never ever use Linux, because it's not reliable, not certified or for any other reason not professional enough
21:47 kdomanski (on a device, not desktop)
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20447 @ 0.00077992 = 15.947 BTC [-] {5}
21:48 kdomanski they would instead use an expensive commercial RTOS with a certificate irrelevant to the application
21:48 kdomanski then NOT use any RT features
21:48 ben_vulpes sounds about right.
21:52 ben_vulpes to those whom it may concern: i'm cutting VAN's DNS over to a new server tomorrow morning.
21:53 ben_vulpes deposits are currently disabled because 1 query per minute to blockchain.info's api triggers their cloudflare DDOS "protection".
22:03 kakobrekla use blockr for the while ?
22:15 ben_vulpes that is the plan, yeah.
22:16 ben_vulpes but also you know - one thing at a time. i have all my ducks in a row for this cutover, i'm a cautious guy and don't feel like deploying more code right before cutting over to the new server.
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22:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 71 @ 0.02523161 = 1.7914 BTC [-]
22:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00078704 = 0.787 BTC [+]
22:43 mod6 %t
22:43 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 220 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 274k High: 199 Low: 188 VWAP: 195
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23:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2296 @ 0.00078276 = 1.7972 BTC [-]
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23:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 920 @ 0.00171819 = 1.5807 BTC [-] {6}
23:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 350 @ 0.00171023 = 0.5986 BTC [-] {5}
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23:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7689 @ 0.00077699 = 5.9743 BTC [-] {2}
23:50 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> sounds like the homeland surveillance system is gearing up to talk americans into putting themselves under rigorous surveillance << "themselves" is forcing a point. not like they're participating in any sense.
23:51 mircea_popescu !up StephanLivera
23:51 mircea_popescu hi there.
23:53 mircea_popescu <kdomanski> the first day I watched them change tens of thousands of lines by hand, the second day I showed them sed <<< ahahah
23:53 mircea_popescu i don't think i'd have ever shown them sed.
23:55 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> deposits are currently disabled because 1 query per minute to blockchain.info's api triggers their cloudflare DDOS "protection". << you really don't need no api call for keeping track of one address.
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