#trilema | 2014-03-15

i don't think Putin seems to care about making pals. Our DC calls him to tell him to calm down every 5 minutes

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;;eauth ThickAsThieves

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Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first.

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it's epic, ima write it up.

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i'm having trouble sorting out how to add my gpg key to otc

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i uploaded it to MIT

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and then i did a ;;changekey

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mircea_popescu: april already?

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but when i try to everify it says no request

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outstanding

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joecool sorry ?

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mircea_popescu: that article you linked

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is it april already?

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o as in 1st ? hehe. maybe in some timezones.

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ThickAsThieves i think there's a special command like addkey or somesuch

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you'll gotta read the docs

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mircea_popescu: !gpg changekey i think

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er ThickAsThieves

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when in doubt ping nanotube

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i did it!

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!ident ThickAsThieves

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;;eauth ThickAsThieves

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Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC

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;;ident ThickAsThieves

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Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk

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;;eauth ThickAsThieves

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Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC

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seems you got both.

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aha wd.

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http://bcoinnews.com/2014/03/14/questions-about-bitcoin/

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I have not proofed this yet, but if you guys would not mind reading it and telling me if you think it sounds like I have down syndrome

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now i need to look up what an encrypted OTP is and what i need it for

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it's the message you need to sign for ;;everify

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ThickAsThieves open terminal, go "gpg" paste it there

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got it

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;;eauth ThickAsThieves

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Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0059 = 0.236 BTC [-]

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not really sure what i did

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but i followed instructions and it worked

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jborkl_: no glaring things wrong with the writing. a couple quotes missing and maybe some comma weirdness

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felt like i verified twice

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is the last part just to make sure it works both ways?

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I assume I do not save the OTP

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60522201 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-]

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ThickAsThieves: you can pipe it from curl to gpg

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joecool, thank you. I will make sure to look at that

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jborkl_: what region are you from?

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Texas

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paste the OTP mesage into where you sign messages, copy the result, then come back and type ;;everify signedmessageresulthere

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i did

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it worked

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it's proof you can sign

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jborkl_: i figured US but writing is a little different than northeast

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;;gettrust ThickAsThieves

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Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013

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Well, I am left handed also. So I am naturally kinda strange anyway

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i'm ambidextrous, even worse

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heh

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;;gettrust ThickAsThieves

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Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user joecool to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013

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jborkl_ I haz edits for you

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ok excellent

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pm's as i read

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ok, Thank you for the input. I do appreciate it

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no problem

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00368869 = 0.1033 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00080256 = 17.4557 BTC [-]

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;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a [hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc] is plugged in, owner is fucked.

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Error: "hardware" is not a valid command.

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[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03542448 = 0.1417 BTC [+]

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;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc is plugged in, owner is fucked.

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The operation succeeded.

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asciilifeform: solution is easy to that

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yes, yes it is

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but tell the 'trezor' etc. folks that.

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asciilifeform: put a button on it and/or limit number of pin attempts

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asciilifeform: i need to play with the yubikey neo implementation of bip32

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!???

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joecool: this is a grave misconception. if pc can 'if XXX then hardware wallet is present' even once, you're fucked.

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asciilifeform: maybe i'm misunderstanding you. my system can tell if my openpgp smartcard is present

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yes, and hence the smartcard is garbage.

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an attacker *could* attempt 3 times to use it with a pin

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before it locks itself out forever

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so it's a non-issue

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doesn't matter - you unlock the card, and it signs whatever kernel wants it to sign.

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asciilifeform: except it needs a pin every time to do it, and it needs to be physically present

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attacker pwns the pc, you personally unlock the card, thinking you will do operation X, in actuality: Y.

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asciilifeform: that's assuming quite a bit

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same could be said about software wallet without factoring in hardware

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sure.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00080371 = 8.7604 BTC [+]

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the whole point in taking the trouble to design a hardware gizmo

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is to assume a future encounter with a pwned host machine

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if you have an amulet of invincibility and the gods have informed you that you will never encounter a pwned pc, you need no exotic hardware.

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can use standard btc client, gpg, etc.

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;;later tell mircea_popescu the correct way to do 'hardware wallet is' -- well, why piss out out here. 'obvious to alert reader.'

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The operation succeeded.

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http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-the-telegraph/

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Let’s do the telegraph pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

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;;later tell jborkl_ perhaps the oil painting example is weak, seeing how the artist would probably benefit from being physically present for the wedding.

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The operation succeeded.

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;;later tell jborkl_ the point about "over regulate people" is vague, in that nobody, from obama to ayn rand, believe their activity is "over regulatory". indeed, all over regulators in history carefully consider the point of over regulation (in their own reference frame) and decide they're being reasonable.

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The operation succeeded.

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and for that matter it'd be a lot saner if you stuck around for few hours after asking for input on an article in so i don't have to make gribble work overtime

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_MALAYSIA_PLANE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-14-23-57-32

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News from The Associated Press

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anyway, the statement of that point im happy with is in http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/

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specifically, "As far as experience shows, people dont tend to support states that either stupidly or unwittingly include rules among their enemies. You cant win a war against math, or against drugs, or against social injustice, or kulaks. Soon after the Soviet government moved its focus from entities to rules, it lost the support of the people. Soon after the other-Soviet government moved its focus f

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rom entities to rules, it also lost the support of the people. There werent that many people burning American flags in 1860, you know ? Why do you think not ? You can support a government killing Indians, or bison. You cant support a government fighting chemical compounds."

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this'd be a better distinction than simply over/under, because it's a difference in kind not degree.

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ymmv.

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If that plane went on for hours why werent the people on board using cell phones?

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chetty: not much cell service in the sea.

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you need a tower reasonably close

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they were over land there of a while

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then again... chinese people. someone probably told them not to use cell phones

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and so they didn't. period.

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also helps to remember that cell jammer fits in a belt buckle if necessary.

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or, if you like exciting life, in the plane's own instrumentation.

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good point asciilifeform

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did they ever get fitted with that in the end ?

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you know, the same one that gets a magic packet and steers the flying coffin 1000km into the sea and then down.

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my sides mircea_popescu !!!!!!

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moiety what did you do ?

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asciilifeform: cell jammers are also much more effective as they move away from towers

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feeeh-lings

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read your article

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o o hehe

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the most effective cell jammer doesn't simply piss out white noise, but emulates a functioning tower - one which happens to route calls into '/dev/null'

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you can't buy this one from 'alibaba' but there it is.

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asciilifeform: there are a lot of standards to cover with a fake tower

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power needed is miniscule

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joecool: this is a commercial product

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yeah srsly, prolly white noise most effectual

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;;google imsi catcher

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IMSI-catcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher>; The body-worn “IMSI catcher” for all your covert phone snooping ...: <http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/the-body-worn-imsi-catcher-for-all-your-covert-phone-snooping-needs/>; Septier IMSI Catcher: <http://www.septier.com/146.html>

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haha cell mitm ?

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'catcher' is normally pictured as a wiretapping tool

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but is perfectly adequate for this other purpose.

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all known cell systems use 'toy' crypto

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and certainly no serious authentication of 'this is a genuine tower'

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0516 = 0.1548 BTC [-]

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this is engineering these days.

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gsm mitm is fairly easy with 2G technologies, the hardware isn't very expensive and the software is opensource

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this is cell engineering from day 1.

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the whole banking system was well fucked, what with its odd notions of a cheque

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so knowing that, let's build another whole industry on rotten basics

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the mandatory use of toy crypto in consumer telephony was blatant and entirely conspicuous.

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i have no idea who exactly would wish to live in a world where a company making a product asks any government what it thinks on the topic.

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i've suggested before that it is a mistake to see u.s. tech firms (certainly after ww2) as meaningfully separate from usg.

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the cliche 'privatize profits, public pays losses' is overused, but applies.

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it's by now a mistake to see anything in the us command economy as meaningfully separate from anything else.

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they've plainly confessed to it what with the "too big to fail" doctrine,

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they've been linked in this way since the war.

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which is strctly command economy under another name

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in the case of at&t and certain others, arguably earlier.

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i guess so.

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microshit, for instance, is quite easily 'Department of Software'

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hey, even sacred monsters a la buffett are reduced to teary eyed confessions of belief in the party, even at the zenith of their career/intellectual lucidity

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[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03652008 = 0.1096 BTC [+]

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asciilifeform: i'd argue longer actually than WW2

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'play ball' or 'have problems.'

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someone did this as power moved from lenin to stalin but i don't recall who the fuck

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they wheeled in some ancient revolutionary bolshevik to praise the party.

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asciilifeform: i mean the communication framework was setup in the early 30's

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voroshilov ?

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joecool i guess there's a good point here, in the sense that the infrastructure is really old, phreakin did exist, what is one to do

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but let me point out that digital comms is a whole new industry.

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none of the old infrastructure was usable, not really, towers is one thing copper is another and so on

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mircea_popescu: unless you count telegraph as digital

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my original comments refer strictly to this, while old landline is what it is, nobody forced cellphones to suck

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asciilifeform yes that's him.

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0516 = 0.2064 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0059 = 0.7965 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05333313 = 0.64 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00478627 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {4}

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soo, the missing plane is placed between kazakhstan and turkmenistan now ?

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the false flag conpiracy theory is getting better and better hah

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Most of the false flagging seems to be in oz right now, the no-longer-black-haired-bernie is back with penis-nosed motor racing

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who here is from oz again? benkay?

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cazalla

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right

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;;later tell MisterE haha it's a balancing act

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The operation succeeded.

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and a lovely saturday evening it is here

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looks soggy in melbourne, guessing you're elsewhere

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it's stormy but that's how i like it

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S3iw8xgb964/Udcz4b_ly9I/AAAAAAAAYrw/dJWKscaa8r8/s1600/1111No-MoreAK-47sSaysSpyMasterAnnaChapman-Aa-468x547.jpg

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i guess lovely was the wrong word, it's more cozy with the storm coming over

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bitcoinpete: you're from canada, right? a brother in the commonwealth

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100%

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Was in London last week too at the seat of the empire

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it's overlord central

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here, we're finally in the plusses and enjoying spring

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mircea_popescu: I helped write the adaptation. Someone had to.

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the what ?

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the adaptation of freddie got fingered, the mainstage production?

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haha where was this ?

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haha I'm still trying to figure out where you pulled the tom green bit from in the first place. I thought we were on the King & I. Or is Tom the Canadian King, and I Anna?

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the two seem unrelated ?

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you mixing two articles together ?

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03:56:21 mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete you've seen the mainstage production of tom green's freddie got fingered ?! that existed ?! >> What was this in reference to?

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Mar 15 03:49:38 <bitcoinpete>;;later tell mircea_popescu: I should check out the film, I've only seen the mainstage production :)

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which was a response to: 17:37:20mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D

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o o okay.

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I hadn't heard anyone mention tom green in years, probably longer than a king of siam reference lol

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07356668 = 0.4414 BTC [-] {2}

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And Lewey Hamilton is on pole at the first F1 race of the season

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07297007 = 1.0946 BTC [-] {4}

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Didn't know Ricciardo is Australian... He's 2nd on the grid.

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http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/

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The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)

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why would one want to hasten it.

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these purists.

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"Altcoins are not viable because they cannot reproduce that which gives Bitcoin an overwhelming competitive edge: its market cap." Neglects that pre-mined recently that was actually useful developmentally for Bitcoin. Name escapes me...

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"It is unethical to create an altcoin with the purpose of making money off of it for this reason. They should not be taken seriously."

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trees make many blossoms, few fruits

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hey, i had it without reading it. purist argument from dumbland.

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i suppose ceramic armor plates on tanks don't shoot, either, and so it's immoral to spend military funds on armor plating research and deployment

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themisescircle said so

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i like that analogy

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anyhoo. just stopped in briefly before bed. cheers

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00080431 = 9.33 BTC [+]

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;;estimate

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Next difficulty estimate | 4536337702.16 based on data since last change | 4543209321.87 based on data for last three days

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DiabloD3: yeah I dont know why more men dont use prenups << because most men are deadbeats anyway.

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or in george's gf's words, "Ha.Ha.Ha. ha...You don't have any money. I make more money than you do. ha. ha. ha. Yeah.. give me the papers I'll sign 'em.( she leaves) a pre-nup..."

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:)

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nvm

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was suppose to go in the other box.

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.603737 = 7.2448 BTC [-] {6}

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2191 @ 0.000147 = 0.3221 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003478 = 1.0434 BTC [-] {5}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00080431 = 3.0403 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [7C] 55 @ 0.00379994 = 0.209 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.053 = 0.795 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]

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http://twitter.com/BtcDanny/status/444687265483460609

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Twitter / BtcDanny: Cyprus #2 on google trends ...

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ok lol

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slovenia has 2 mio ppl.

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another day or two and we will fuck up the states.

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where do you bury them all.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00080438 = 19.6671 BTC [+] {2}

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1w8tib/neo_bee_zipzap_danny_brewster_serious_concerns/

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.01502577 = 0.4808 BTC [-] {4}

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so to this day if i google "neobee" i get 1st a havelock link and 2nd a webmail account for neobee.net, then reddit and btctalk pages.

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meanwhile a 23yo fuckwith stated that "The public facing websites are being tied into the advertising campaign which starts on 1st Feb. If you have concerns about me then so be it, if you would also like me to spend my time delivering updates then just say, however I do look forward to proving posts like these wrong."

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we're not on the 1st of february, nor are we on the first of march, nor are we living in the alternative world where craig woods is a businesswoman or danny webster a ceo.

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014509 = 0.2902 BTC [-] {5}

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kinda sums up nicely the earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014#560018

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also would be nice to get a read as to whether danny webster is an uneducated welder from Leicestershire who tends to get involved in street fights. his subnormal mug certainly supports that theory.

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http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicestershire-man-coma-hospital-Cyprus-holiday/story-19428449-detail/story.html <that'd be the reference.

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Danny Brewster, 22, of Whitwick, fighting for life in coma after accident in Cyprus | Leicest

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oh wow

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quick recovery :)

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yeah.

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funny how people who can't afford personal travel arrangements in june are suddenly ceos in september.

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http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.2600

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Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

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last page,.. even the retards are starting to get it, amazing.

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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.d

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4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1656 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.3701% in 10d 12h 45m 45s

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time for new retards ?

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spring is upon us, the new field of retards will need another month at least to grow

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;seen pankakke

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;;seen pankakke

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I have not seen pankakke.

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"To understand the change, we need to look at some major factors that affect levels of corporate profitability generally. Businesses in industries with both substantial over-capacity and a commodity product (undifferentiated in any customer-important way by factors such as performance, appearance, service support, etc.) are prime candidates for profit troubles. These may be escaped, true, if prices or costs are

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administered in some manner and thereby insulated at least partially from normal market forces. This administration can be carried out (a) legally through government intervention (until recently, this category included pricing for truckers and deposit costs for financial institutions), (b) illegally through collusion, or (c) extra-legally through OPEC-style foreign cartelization (with tag-along benefits for dom

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estic non-cartel operators).

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If, however, costs and prices are determined by full-bore competition, there is more than ample capacity, and the buyer cares little about whose product or distribution services he uses, industry economics are almost certain to be unexciting. They may well be disastrous."

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buffet on the topic of "god forbid the free market works"

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"I’m not sure what the implication is here, perhaps that he should be receiving his information from Wikileaks, like the rest of us ? "

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deserves an 'oh snap'

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ohsnap.jpg

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in other news, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7bfcdda0062963b9fd89c2f05d95dea9/tumblr_mtmbhf6lwn1rztzruo1_1280.jpg

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did TaT not vet the NEO principles?

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516460.0

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Calling out the premier scam on Havelock at the moment

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.d

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4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1652 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.2775% in 10d 12h 8m 41s

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i have no idea.

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lol cmon now

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yknow the whole coma Danny B was already covered here

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they dont even look alike

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i haven't kept up with the gossip

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how's neo doin btw?

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it's 9mo-old gossip that lasted a few hours due to having the same name

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i've not followed it either. how do they look ?

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http://cy.linkedin.com/pub/danny-brewster/75/95/552 < so is that him ?

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Danny Brewster - Cyprus | LinkedIn

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i have no idea if he made that

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neo has already committed to professionally prepared quarterly financial reports, so assuming they follow-through, the IPO funds *should* be accounted for

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ok, so where did he go to school ?

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i do not recall

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he's not hard to reach

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well guy can answer in his own time, what's the big deal.

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if you have questions

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what's the big deal indeed

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i don't talk privately to nobodies, in general. so he can answer and that's all.

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the whole post sound slike something out of a tabloid

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LordPutin

that coma incident is wow

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yknow neobee isn't the name of the company

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just the stock

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even so,adding a space fixes your problem

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http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=neo+bee

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Let me google that for you

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https://www.google.com/search?q=danny+brewster+cyprus&complete=0#complete=0&q=danny+brewster+lmh+holdings that doesn't look much better either.

06:53

anywho, you are right, he can defend himself, i'm just pointing out that the accusations are a bit off the wall

06:54

gives the man the space to shine.

06:55

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/neo-bee.com < kinda curious how much that weeklong blip cost in fiat terms

07:00

lul http://www.sexandrome.it/crisi-il-sesso-si-paga-in-bitcoin/

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16315 @ 0.00080221 = 13.0881 BTC [-] {2}

07:04

wao-ender

07:06

LA TESTIMONIANZA. Me lo conferma Pascal, gigolò romano. Sono stato contattato da unimprenditrice svizzera dice in esclusiva a Sex and Rome-. Durante la cena, tra una chiacchiera e laltra, in attesa di passare dal vino al letto, scopro che anche lei, come me, ha investito nei bitcoin e sfruttato la bolla di marzo

07:06

lol.

07:15

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07 = 1.26 BTC [-]

07:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [+]

07:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]

07:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5686 @ 0.00080464 = 4.5752 BTC [+]

07:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.0008054 = 15.636 BTC [+] {2}

07:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10385 @ 0.00080208 = 8.3296 BTC [-] {2}

07:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1265 @ 0.00080098 = 1.0132 BTC [-]

07:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06799889 = 0.136 BTC [+]

07:46

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07 = 1.96 BTC [-]

07:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00080361 = 14.0632 BTC [+]

08:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00589005 = 0.3181 BTC [-]

08:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00588835 = 0.4298 BTC [-] {3}

~ 32 minutes ~

08:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00080521 = 6.279 BTC [+]

08:49

;;later tell mircea_popescu ready when you are

08:49

The operation succeeded.

08:52

;;ticker

08:52

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 632.5, Best ask: 632.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 632.6, 24 hour volume: 5626.22586279, 24 hour low: 625.29, 24 hour high: 644.0, 24 hour vwap: 632.126883265

08:52

;;ticker --eur

08:52

(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

08:53

;;ticker --curreency eur

08:53

(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)

08:53

;;ticker --currency eur

08:53

Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 454.70425, Best ask: 454.768951, Bid-ask spread: 0.06470, Last trade: 454.77614, 24 hour volume: 5626.14529822, 24 hour low: 449.520981, 24 hour high: 462.9716, 24 hour vwap: 454.436016379

08:57

I wonder what rates does gribble use for USD/EUR

08:59

these were bitstamp

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09:17

;;tslb

09:17

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09:17

Time since last block: 3 minutes and 24 seconds

09:17

moiety is that you ?

09:18

heh mkay.

09:20

a new bitcoin forum?

09:21

seems like it

09:22

I heard goat is building one too

09:23

tired of driving his lambo it seems

09:23

Apocalyptic: prolly http://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml

09:23

meh, doesn't impress at first glance

09:23

or so i'd hope

09:36

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/meet-littleredbunny-the-queen-of-cam-girls.html#url=/articles/2014/03/02/meet-littleredbunny-the-queen-of-cam-girls.html

09:36

Meet LittleRedBunny, the Queen of Cam Girls - The Daily Beast

09:36

teh press at its best

09:37

"She says that on a typical night on cam she can lose up to five pounds from all the work."

09:38

fatties have no excuse now.

09:42

LordPutin

will mpoer be fired over her blunder re: neo?

09:55

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00210539 = 0.9474 BTC [+]

09:58

what blunder is that?

10:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00368799 = 0.1033 BTC [+]

10:06

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]

10:07

considering she didn't get fired over her blunder re: pirate, back in 2012, in spite of all the gigavps & co lobbying...

10:08

seems unlikely.

10:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00080551 = 4.8331 BTC [+]

10:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60315 = 3.6189 BTC [-] {3}

10:23

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]

10:25

http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/

10:25

BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April

10:25

if this thing ends up yes...

10:25

.d

10:25

4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1624 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5522% in 10d 7h 25m 37s

10:25

;;calc 5.6 / 4.25

10:25

1.31764705882

10:25

not even that impossible.

10:27

;;calc 4.25 * 1.3 ** 3

10:27

9.33725

10:27

$depth X.IDIFF.MAR

10:27

FabianB: X.IDIFF.MAR Bids: ['200 @ 0.00290837']

10:27

meanwhile http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/ actually has better odds

10:27

FabianB: Asks: ['50 @ 0.0039', '10 @ 0.00395132', '20 @ 0.00396235', '50 @ 0.00398101', '200 @ 0.0040107']

10:27

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_14/US-drone-intercepted-in-Crimean-airspace-Russias-state-corporation-2994

10:27

US drone intercepted in Crimean airspace - Russia's state corporation - News - World - The Voice of

10:28

and naturally,

10:28

http://www.ibtimes.com/pentagon-russian-reports-us-drone-intercepted-over-crimea-are-false-1561578

10:28

Pentagon: Russian Reports Of US Drone Intercepted Over Crimea Are False

10:28

haha

10:28

ah 1970s, i missed you so. welcome back.

10:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]

10:29

FabianB do you see a way to convert x.idiff prices into bitbet diff bet odds ?

10:30

if the little flying trabant weren't so pathetic, it would be towed through red square on parade.

10:30

perhaps it will appear there anyway.

10:31

"today on Victories of Socialism : we have caught the other boys' model airplane!!1"

10:32

not really, but it reminded me there's x.idiff.mar settlement soon

10:32

it's considerably funnier if you remember what makes this particular circus trick possible.

10:33

FabianB this'd be an interesting project i guess, it's not directly obvious to me how the to prices'd relate

10:34

(american flying machines were originally supposed to use the 'pro' version of 'gps', with crypto authentication. but someone, apparently, absconded with the $, and most of them left the factory with 'consumer' receiver.)

10:34

Missing airliner may have flown on for 7 hours - it gets longer with each new headline

10:35

chetty maybe it's still fl\ying.

10:35

problem with idiff is that if you don't know when MKFUT was called you don't know how far it's backed

10:37

i guess that introduces an extra leg of risk there huh.

10:38

but still, i'd eventually expect mining to settle down and 2.9x increases over a period to be rare.

10:39

yeah, far in the future, but now, if mkfut was called on jan 1st, it's only backed till around 29, it would need 45, currently there are asks for 39 which are not bought (probably) coz of the risk they were created early

10:40

possibly.

10:41

;;calc 1.08**13

10:41

2.71962372616

10:41

yeah, basically if period increases settle around 8% then it'll be all covered.

10:41

my guess is they appeared 4 weeks ago and also made at that time, so probably the ones i bought are profitable :)

10:48

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/03/06/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-contributing-situation

10:48

Executive Order -- Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine | T

10:49

hahaha

10:49

nubbins`

a national emergency!!

10:50

so the us is nao a rogue state.

10:50

only now?

10:50

yeah been that way

10:51

I think talking to Ukrainians now warrants confiscation of property

10:51

cool, hopefully the russians also freeze a buncha us citizen's assets, and fiat truely collapses in a pre-hansa state of disarray

10:54

National emergency lets him declare martial law and all that fun stuff

10:55

chetty: actually the 'state of emergency' is quite old

10:55

afaik, continuously renewed by every u.s. president since carter.

10:55

jakov

some countries have been in a "state of emergency" for a decade or so

10:58

true but the powers he is claiming this time are pretty extreme - of course he wont really do any of that .... right

10:58

now i gotta read this thing

11:05

FabianB the last exercise closed at 908350862, so if made after dec they'd be covered to ~263421 per neh ?

11:06

I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, find that the actions and policies of persons -- including persons who have asserted governmental authority in the Crimean region without the authorization of the Government of Ukraine -- that undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misapp

11:06

ropriation of its assets, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

11:06

pretty fucking epic.

11:07

"(v) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order. "

11:07

incidentally, this is how boddy fischer became a fugitive from the u.s.

11:07

that includes lawyers ?

11:07

*bobby fischer

11:07

if anyone remembers

11:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14476 @ 0.00080155 = 11.6032 BTC [-]

11:08

"(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the effective date of this order. "

11:08

afaik it was because of a similar proclamation by clinton

11:08

"we won't keep our word as to what we have promised in the past

11:08

and we don't intend to keep our word given here as to not keeping our word either"

11:08

total liar's instrument this shti.

11:08

typical

11:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1407 @ 0.00080155 = 1.1278 BTC [-]

11:09

" I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1

11:09

of this order. "

11:09

check it, the us president thinks has the authority to forbide donations ?!

11:10

the funny part is that none of this shit is new

11:10

whole thing probably was an ms-word template left over from '90s

11:10

"For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective

↖

11:10

in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order. "

11:11

"This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. "

11:11

very lulzy.

11:11

so basically... the us has no law, fuggedaboutit.

11:12

from now on the correct response to anyone asking if some bitcoin corp is "licensed" or "incorporated" or legally operating within the us is simply pointing out that there exists no such thing as a united states jurisdiction, robber baron claims notwithstanding.

11:12

u.s. has been ruled by decree, openly, since fdr.

11:12

to whom is this a secret?

11:13

to anyone who doesn't much give a shit about the us, i would guess.

11:16

Some days it is more 'in your face' than others

11:16

funny what juju that clown thinks he has, seriously.

11:17

no moar mental hospitals in the us ?

11:17

no worries, i suspect they'll reopen soon.

11:18

betcha my bed is already reserved.

11:18

'вялотекущая шизофрения'

11:18

im at a loss as to what exact tumbleweeds need to be rolling around in one's skull for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can come up with.

11:18

or something in that spirit.

11:19

http://trilema.com/2011/психушка/ liek ?

11:20

exactly that

11:20

that's okay, your schizophrenia isn't sluggish at all :D

11:20

haha

11:21

mircea_popescu: for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can << past presidents have signed nearly identical proclamations, and they were enforced.

11:21

you know, if some fuckwit comes out and declares he can shit cake,

11:21

whether he subsequently shits cake or not, the proposition is still laughable.

11:22

nah, the way it works is, he 'shits cake', and everybody eats at gunpoint.

11:22

this ain't empiricism over here.

11:22

and woe be unto any who won't delight in the chocolate flavour.

11:23

because why ?

11:24

well, most of the folks at the table never smelled actual cake

11:24

to them, cake is this special confection that emerges from the fuhrer's arse.

11:24

such brave new world.

11:25

old, old world. nobody switched off the 20th c.

11:28

Let it be written, let it be done. (goes back a long time)

11:31

This whole thing makes me angry to be an American, unfortunately the current government would respond violently to threats of secession

11:33

mircea_popescu: (regarding idfiff) yes, but my guess is they weren't created directly after last excercise, probably in february, but who knows

11:34

interesting, if not obvious, stat I heard: 85% of new businesses in the US are started by immigrants or their children

11:35

FabianB makes no diff tho, it's not prorated by days

11:36

it's just by periods, 2.9^intervals.

11:36

ThickAsThieves afaik it was 50%

11:37

uh, then i got that wrong

11:39

well i got this info from Shark Tank sooo

11:39

by the way - today's the absolute last day to get in the april conference,

11:39

http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/

11:39

The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

11:40

mjr didja ever sort it out ?

11:40

i talked to him like yesterday and he said he was gonna try, not sure if he realized how close the deadline was or not

11:41

if i recall he got well plastered clubbing last time, mebbe the lady objects.

11:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0058561 = 0.3631 BTC [-] {2}

11:41

for some reason i doubt he has a "going concern"

11:42

anywya, mike_c is the winner of the little unofficial competition "who gets the lowest btc invite"

11:44

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]

11:47

"i would like to know how long (aprox) takes one day in your country?"

11:47

lol

11:48

wait wut ?

11:48

from https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178.msg131702#msg131702

11:49

basically idiot/genius asking where is div is from Garr

11:49

his*

11:54

so many forums

11:56

"Was trusted" around here in the past. You lost trust months ago and it will take months if not longer to get it back.

11:56

sums it up just about

11:58

"HP TippingPoint's Pwn2Own competition netted researchers $850,000 as all the major browsers – Chrome, Safari, Internet Explorer and Firefox – fell to attacks within the 30-minute timeframe for each, along with Flash. Only Java held up to the time-limited attacks, although researchers attempting to crack Oracle's code did come up with some interesting techniques that just took too

11:58

long."

11:59

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bdaybhumor_8246.jpg

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 1.74996505 BTC to 128`015 shares, 1367 satoshi per share

11:59

opera conspicuously absent

12:01

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/03/seven-dead-as-job-seekers-stampede-at-nigerian-stadium/

12:01

maybe they just dont want to advertise them?

12:01

Seven dead as job seekers stampede at Nigerian stadium | Capital News

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.28661130 BTC to 3`865 shares, 59162 satoshi per share

12:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10131 @ 0.00080138 = 8.1188 BTC [-] {2}

12:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5769 @ 0.00080011 = 4.6158 BTC [-] {2}

12:20

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/karzai-says-us-troops-can-leave-afghanistan-2014315133323437829.html

12:20

Karzai says US troops can leave Afghanistan - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

12:20

"gtfo bro"

12:23

tim-tams

;;seen bingoboingo

12:23

bingoboingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps

12:28

"All 10 presidential candidates for the April 5 election have said they would sign the security agreement if elected. But Karzai does not want his legacy to include a commitment to extending a foreign military presence."

12:28

pretty good.

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 815 @ 0.003499 = 2.8517 BTC [-] {18}

12:30

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 814 @ 0.00335586 = 2.7317 BTC [-] {14}

12:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0058561 = 0.1054 BTC [+]

12:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.005891 = 0.2415 BTC [+]

12:33

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00330001 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}

12:34

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00324354 = 1.0055 BTC [-] {9}

12:35

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00321374 = 0.2571 BTC [-] {6}

12:36

mircea_popescu: mew! sorry i passed out and forgot to put this off. had to sleep off potential hangover before babysitting a giveaway today to preserve calmness. Nope, that's not me... is that >thing< supposed to be a forum?!

12:36

i have no idea.

12:36

looks like a list of timestamped shit to me

12:36

you... passed out ? what, drinking ?

12:37

maybe >.>

12:37

lolk

12:37

i don't drink often so i get a bit affected >.>

12:37

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cb252fa2b1e06da237e1ef787de2a6ab/tumblr_mhg9xqYO0a1s27xouo1_1280.jpg << male or female ?

12:37

MALE

12:38

it is right?

12:38

its a trap, its female

12:39

wtf

12:39

poor girl, i would chuckmyself under a train

12:39

probly a dancer of some sort

12:39

looks more like a shaved doberman tbh

12:40

LOLOL

12:40

i shouldn't eat while i'm reading this lol i almost choke quite frequently

12:40

don't pass out.

12:41

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-brU4OUkRPb4/UbIc01JalPI/AAAAAAAAGKU/Fd9k8lq9Qio/s1600/doberman-ears.jpg

12:41

lol it was silly o'clock in the morning when i did

12:41

"hello we have no idea what r u doing"

12:41

LOL whyyyy?

12:41

i don't either!

12:42

they're getting ready to play

12:42

DOBERBALL

12:42

you should see the beach matches!

12:43

btw re the education thing... you see they are thinking on fiddling with medical education?

12:43

i.e. how long it takes to become a doctor

12:43

i.e. shortening it from 14 years

12:44

need more cheaper doctors.

12:44

i.e. doctors with less debt but also less knowledge

12:44

.bait

12:44

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kkrwGWDw1rwcfi5o1_500.jpg

12:44

we had a locum from spain that almost killed everyone because they were trying to savemoney

12:44

.bait

12:44

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_manzo2x3Gq1r9e3eqo1_1280.jpg

12:44

he didnt have a clue whathe was doing

12:45

whats up with the firstone's face? is that a dude too?

12:47

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1331 @ 0.000147 = 0.1957 BTC [-]

12:48

kinda unisex features but not really androgynous

12:51

totally! i think its a makeup mask

12:51

gif of the day! http://i.imgur.com/cXfmOJ8.gif

12:56

o hey just what i needed

12:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05398999 = 0.108 BTC [-]

12:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00080543 = 17.1557 BTC [+] {3}

12:59

sorry i thought it was pretty cool

13:00

no it is. i'm teaching a slavegirl basic trig

13:00

and i don't think she really groked the circle thing

13:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]

13:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]

13:03

is there much trig in slavery?

13:04

slaves gotta know errything

13:05

i fancied setting up a digital geisha type affair

13:05

inasmuch as the flesh trade goes, nothing beats the flesh itself.

13:05

but anyway, bbl, gotta attend to... things.

13:06

pet the dog! see you have a ood day :)

13:06

good*

13:08

wao-ender

v0v #conspiracy http://pastebin.com/d97LkvF7

~ 22 minutes ~

13:30

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00213452 = 0.9605 BTC [+]

13:30

wao-ender

v0v, they are IN http://mfa.gov.ua/en/press-center/news/19559-zajava-mzs-ukrajini-u-zvjazku-z-visadkoju-15-bereznya-desantu-zbrojnih-sil-rf-v-khersonsykij-oblasti

13:43

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00211875 = 0.9534 BTC [-]

13:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05398999 = 0.162 BTC [-]

13:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06766666 = 0.203 BTC [+] {2}

13:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.069 = 0.414 BTC [+] {3}

14:01

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1326 @ 0.00366119 = 4.8547 BTC [+] {7}

14:01

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]

14:04

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05398 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2}

14:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]

14:13

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05150111 = 0.4635 BTC [-] {2}

14:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.069 = 0.345 BTC [-] {2}

14:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0515004 = 0.2575 BTC [-] {2}

14:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {2}

14:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-] {2}

14:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0515 = 0.2575 BTC [-]

~ 33 minutes ~

15:00

!t x.eur

15:00

Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?

15:01

!help

15:01

List of commands:

15:01

!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}

15:01

!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}

15:01

!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)

15:01

!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}

15:01

!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}

15:01

!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)

15:01

!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}

15:01

!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}

15:01

!t m x.eur

15:01

[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00210539 / 0.00211955 / 0.00213452 (1350 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0019005 / 0.00205257 / 0.00213452 (2068 shares, 4.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00207896 / 0.00226762 (8527 shares, 17.73 BTC)

15:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00080608 = 5.8844 BTC [+]

15:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04950002 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}

15:07

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34439 @ 0.00080351 = 27.6721 BTC [-] {2}

15:22

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 24 @ 0.00438999 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {2}

15:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.069 = 0.207 BTC [-]

~ 19 minutes ~

15:47

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00359999 = 0.1476 BTC [+]

15:58

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00015 = 0.225 BTC [+]

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0036 = 0.1512 BTC [+]

~ 17 minutes ~

16:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00080608 = 6.9726 BTC [+]

16:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00080638 = 0.8314 BTC [+]

~ 20 minutes ~

16:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]

16:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23345 @ 0.00080638 = 18.8249 BTC [+]

16:54

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-]

16:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00361997 = 0.3149 BTC [-] {3}

16:59

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.003625 = 0.4495 BTC [+] {4}

17:13

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 194 @ 0.00342695 = 0.6648 BTC [-] {5}

17:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0505 = 0.404 BTC [+]

17:25

i think someones maybe just fucked over my site :(

17:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.05133527 = 0.8727 BTC [+] {7}

17:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62179889 BTC [+]

17:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.069 = 0.207 BTC [-]

17:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62179889 = 1.2436 BTC [+]

17:36

scrap that i think im just being paranoid

17:36

moiety, what's your site ?

17:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.00080301 = 7.2167 BTC [-]

17:37

cant tell you or assets will implode. its doge. but i thought someone compromised it but i think im being silly

17:38

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00478 = 0.1195 BTC [+]

17:38

*

moiety breathes

17:39

200k tips = suspicious me

17:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62179889 = 6.218 BTC [+]

17:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.11950724 = 0.9561 BTC [-]

17:42

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0519995 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2}

17:42

Apocalyptic: sorry that appeared really rude, i just know how it's felt about in here lol dogechat.net its just coinchat reloaded with doge-ites

17:43

oh yeah I think you mentionned it a while back

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62179889 = 1.2436 BTC [+]

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.0059 = 0.3953 BTC [+]

17:44

@savethemhood just appeared and tipped massive amounts and freaked me out. its a super young twitter too

17:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00599148 = 0.5392 BTC [+] {2}

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62179889 = 3.109 BTC [+]

17:51

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00359998 = 0.3168 BTC [+] {3}

~ 53 minutes ~

18:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00080645 = 1.6129 BTC [+] {2}

~ 22 minutes ~

19:07

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00359988 = 0.162 BTC [-]

19:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0525 = 0.21 BTC [+]

19:21

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06949999 = 0.695 BTC [+] {2}

19:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6369 @ 0.00080179 = 5.1066 BTC [-]

19:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00080646 = 7.3388 BTC [+]

19:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62165999 BTC [-]

~ 23 minutes ~

19:53

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [+]

20:02

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0695 = 0.3475 BTC [+]

20:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0008022 = 8.022 BTC [-]

20:20

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1111 @ 0.00088977 = 0.9885 BTC [+] {8}

20:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.05282757 = 1.532 BTC [+] {4}

20:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.05395555 = 0.5396 BTC [+] {4}

20:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06700004 = 0.268 BTC [-] {2}

20:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]

20:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2}

20:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05050051 = 0.101 BTC [-] {2}

20:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.006 = 0.282 BTC [+]

20:44

davout :

20:44

!t m x.eur

20:44

[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00210539 / 0.00211955 / 0.00213452 (1350 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0019005 / 0.00205257 / 0.00213452 (2068 shares, 4.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00207896 / 0.00226762 (8527 shares, 17.73 BTC)

20:44

$vwap x.eur

20:44

mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00211955 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.00210539 volume: 1350 btc: 2.861397 7 day: average: 0.00205258 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.0019005 volume: 2068 btc: 4.24473452 30 day: average: 0.00207897 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.0019005 volume: 8527 btc: 17.72735166

20:44

$depth x.eur

20:44

mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['450 @ 0.00212846', '2400 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245']

20:44

mircea_popescu: Asks: ['450 @ 0.00213452', '450 @ 0.00220629', '432 @ 0.0025']

20:46

wao-ender i guess they'll call a general mobilisation again

20:46

maybe this time a different 1% shows

20:46

do it 50 times, it almost gets to strength.

20:48

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06825 = 0.6825 BTC [-] {2}

20:52

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053939 = 0.1079 BTC [+]

20:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0008022 = 5.6956 BTC [-]

20:57

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.052 = 0.52 BTC [-]

21:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06822001 = 0.2047 BTC [-]

21:02

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 281 @ 0.00212846 = 0.5981 BTC [+]

21:03

KRS-One

.bait

21:03

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m437sxjpct1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg

21:03

KRS-One

http://i.imgur.com/IeMUwZP.jpg

21:04

KRS-One

how many times have we known old men like that lol

~ 19 minutes ~

21:23

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20iem7/the_bitcoin_network_costs_nearly_1_billion_a_year/

21:23

The Bitcoin network costs nearly $1 billion a year to run. : Bitcoin

21:23

discuss

21:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05333326 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3}

21:24

tim-tams

;;gettrust majinx

21:24

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user tim-tams to user majinx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=tim-tams&dest=majinx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=majinx | Rated since: Tue Jul 3 13:05:15 2012

21:26

no price is too high.

21:26

price is too damn high!

21:27

mircea_popescu,

21:27

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20iem7/the_bitcoin_network_costs_nearly_1_billion_a_year/

21:27

The Bitcoin network costs nearly $1 billion a year to run. : Bitcoin

21:27

the real fatal flaw to bitcoin

21:27

is the distribution of new coins

21:27

and network costs

21:33

electricity burned is almost directly transformed into network security which more or less directly affects price. The real problem and wasting is not with distributed mining but with nondistributed chain verification as this needs to be done by every participant indepently and every new member of network need to check whole chain. This is a problem that will kill ethereum very quicky as you are actually not paying transaction fee for inclusion i

21:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.11950724 = 0.9561 BTC [-]

21:34

I'm trying to fix this in my coin, releasing asap™ (and no, it's not a currency).

21:34

can i premine it?

21:34

lol

21:36

it's will not be a storage of value, so feel free, but it's doomed to fail anyway, it's only a proof of concept same as huntercoin :)

21:37

still... it will be a jaw dropper, you can bet on it

21:38

if you want to fix the problem force miners to reclaim wasted heat

21:39

that problem will fix itselfs by the market...

21:39

whats amex opex like?

21:39

so ahy hasn't it

21:41

amex opex of what?

21:42

Dimsler if oyu say so.

21:43

dub american express does options nao ?

21:43

oh, this amex :D

21:44

ok so amex spent 2.8b opex last year

21:44

they are fairly small as payment processors go right?

21:44

Dimsler can parrot failed trollmemes all he likes

21:45

wait, that might quarterly

21:45

well no

21:45

its a serious flaw

21:45

dub amex is one of the majors.

21:46

smaller than visa and mc tho

21:46

nah larger. 33bn/8bn vs 10/2bn for visa

21:47

roughly same for mc, slighly lower, something like that.

21:47

probably significantly skewed

21:48

amex actually employs like... twice as many ppl as mc/visa combined or some shit.

21:48

it's huge.

21:49

why do t hey need that many employees?

21:49

that reddit post kills itself in first two lines... it's like saying that cost of running banking system is equivalent to amount of fiat printed...

21:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00080132 = 13.7026 BTC [-]

21:49

da fuck do i know. better ask chenault

21:49

or w/e is the ceo by now

21:49

probably to process a reciept for every bullet the USG buys

21:50

fuck me it's still chenault

21:50

he's in there since before greenspan o.o

21:52

anyway having a tiny fraction of the costs of incumbents sure sounds like a serious flaw

21:52

a Real Problem in the john kerry sense

21:52

a kerriblem

21:53

there's problems, see, and pros solve problems. then there's kerriblems, and kerry solves those.

21:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6101 BTC [-]

21:54

John Kerry is the problem, not the solution

21:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [-]

21:58

Amex is operating in the stone age

21:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]

22:00

apparently stone age is profitable enough.

22:02

a US megacorp i worked for pushed an innordinant amount of what should have been internal txns out to amex

22:02

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/business/an-underling-among-the-officials-accused-of-fraud-at-dewey.html

22:03

dub primitive blockchain

22:03

expect there is a lot of that going on, why run lean?

22:05

indeed.

22:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00080117 = 9.7743 BTC [-] {2}

22:11

turns out trusting the usg isn't a workable policy. who knew.

22:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5027 @ 0.00080587 = 4.0511 BTC [+] {2}

22:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8123 @ 0.000807 = 6.5553 BTC [+] {2}

22:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6101 BTC [-]

22:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00080192 = 10.6254 BTC [-] {2}

22:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00359989 = 0.1008 BTC [+]

22:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00080713 = 15.739 BTC [+] {2}

22:29

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fla-man-arrested-sex-pit-bull-yard-report-article-1.1712069

22:29

"OMG please stop"

22:29

lol

22:31

[10:02:38] <dub> a US megacorp i worked for pushed an innordinant amount of what should have been internal txns out to amex

22:31

wat

22:31

yea I caught that too

22:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7287 @ 0.00080743 = 5.8837 BTC [+]

22:36

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00359989 = 0.1476 BTC [+]

22:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00080748 = 20.3081 BTC [+] {2}

22:42

Neil

Nobody's being forced to run the bitcoin network, hence no problem.

22:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0035 = 0.875 BTC [-]

22:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+]

22:47

Neil you'll be surprised by how creatively "forced" can be interpreted by politics, in either direction.

22:48

"nobody is forced to talk to the da", as exemplified by my earlier link, for one side of the coin. "wage slavery" equals forcing people to x y z on the other.

22:48

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 395 @ 0.006 = 2.37 BTC [+]

22:49

there's ample caselaw showing both the "putting a gun to your head does not constitute forcing you" argument and the "minding your own business and cultivating your own field amounts to forcing other people" argument.

22:54

"Other things being equal, the highest stock market prices relative to intrinsic business value are given to companies whose managers have demonstrated their unwillingness to issue shares at any time on terms unfavorable to the owners of the business."

22:54

http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1982.html buffett continues to deliver.

22:54

Chairman's Letter - 1982

22:58

Diablo-D3: wat wat

22:58

dub: how does that even happen

22:59

meh its too hard to explain how the world works to someone thats never had a job

22:59

dub: what was the outcome of this

22:59

of what

22:59

of that mistake

23:00

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20gkdx/legitimate_wager_300_bitcoins_vs_1_class_a_share/

23:00

Legitimate Wager: 300 Bitcoins vs. 1 Class A Share of Berkshire Hathaway : Bitcoin

23:00

im not following you

23:00

dub: what happened when the corp send the internal txns to amex

23:00

apparently he backed out of class A shares

23:01

Diablo-D3: nothing, its BAU.. I was offering a reason for why amex is 'larger' than processors with more footprint

23:01

ahh

23:01

http://bitbet.us/bet/777/berkshire-hathaway-brk-a-will-close-at-over-185k/

23:01

thought maybe amex got pissed or something

23:01

was it that ?

23:01

BitBet - Berkshire Hathaway BRK-A will close at over $185k per share before July

23:02

haha look at that, reddit generates 200 comments worth 20k words for a 0.25 btc wager.

23:02

the wear&tear on the cheap chiense keyboards involved probably exceeds that figure.

23:04

how much energy does reddit waste?

23:04

thats a real problem

23:05

if we ground up all the redditors and rendered them down for biomass..

23:05

you don't understand, they're making the world a better place.

23:05

if it wasn't for reddit you'd probably still be killing animals for meat

23:05

we could at least run bitconi for a year and the world would only be half as retarded

23:06

and like... who knows what other perversions. talking to girls prolly.

23:07

mom is girl tho rite?

23:07

only if trampstamped.

23:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00080653 = 12.5415 BTC [-]

23:08

theres an alt concept for you. BitKony (2014)

23:09

i found it funny he posted a reddit thread about putting your money where your mouth is....

23:10

it's looks like 2 people took him up on it

23:10

and suddenly he had no A, only B shares

23:10

pretty terrible bet if you ask me

23:12

Buffet doesnt get BTC

23:17

he has the one share i imagine

23:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00080653 = 0.4033 BTC [-]

23:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00600001 = 0.24 BTC [+]

~ 34 minutes ~

23:56