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← 2013-12-31 | 2014-01-02 → ↓
00:01 Vexual pakistan sold out of #0 phillips head screwdrivers
00:02 Vexual whats one of those usb refectors worth?
00:04 mircea_popescu 20k a pop in packs of 50
00:05 mircea_popescu seems oddly overpriced but what do i know of red tape.
00:05 Vexual me thinks they havent updated their prices sine 2007
00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091444 = 5.3038 BTC [-]
00:08 Vexual high school trig, a consumer radome, and it's @thats not jam, it's spoof!@
00:08 thestringpuller ls
00:08 thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe
00:08 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00090326 / 0.000912 / 0.00091936 (684127 shares, 623.93 BTC), 7D: 0.00062972 / 0.00085727 / 0.00091936 (4322849 shares, 3,705.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087255 / 0.00091936 (18680368 shares, 16,299.58 BTC)
00:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.003 = 0.582 BTC [+] {2}
00:12 Vexual nsa tv your postcode for $1000 lol
00:13 Vexual they had a few months to go stealing back laptops tho
00:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.31 = 10.23 BTC [+]
00:28 Vexual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_harmonic_motion
00:28 ozbot Simple harmonic motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00091444 = 5.4866 BTC [-]
00:37 Duffer1 happy new years #bitcoin-assets, may your bitcoins and assets do well this year
00:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00091405 = 14.0764 BTC [-] {2}
00:50 Vexual i seem to remember eeports of alienwares arriving with dodgy soldering
00:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+]
01:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18266 @ 0.00091453 = 16.7048 BTC [+]
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01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6379 @ 0.00091453 = 5.8338 BTC [+]
01:19 s4rn what's the difference between cryptostocks.com and havelock investments? i bought cryptsy stock from cryptostocks, now i'm interested in investing in neo&bee
01:24 Vexual theres only one way to find our
01:25 BingoBoingo s4rn: Havelock seems to just be kind of scammy, but Cryptostocks is totally scammy
01:25 Vexual theres a good chance of closed eyes shotgun wins in 2014
01:27 Vexual but i standy by this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3203454#msg3203454
01:30 Vexual buy no such labs
01:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00091562 = 5.6768 BTC [+]
01:31 Vexual its an emerging industry, with capable people
01:32 Vexual the market is bigger than predicted, and the risks are lower
01:32 Vexual its a fucking no-brainer
01:44 Vexual coz when the shit comes down, neobee will use all those funds for personal indenmity lawyers just like burnside did
01:49 Vexual a proper comany will drop a director under a bus like its a catcoin, or not walk on the road when a bus is coming
01:50 Vexual but, you can't reinvent captialism overnight
01:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00091562 = 10.0718 BTC [+]
01:52 VanCleef how do i buy 100 btc worth of labcoin shares?
01:53 Vexual u want em b4 this thursady?
01:54 VanCleef i just sold the parents house and asked them to be patient and live in their car for a year so i need them asap so i can buy them a better house soon
01:55 Vexual youre a few tuesdays late
01:55 Vexual that was over in 3 hours
01:58 Vexual Did you double down or hit the triple for a nickel or not touch it cleef?
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02:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12195 @ 0.00091562 = 11.166 BTC [+]
02:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00091568 = 13.3231 BTC [+] {2}
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02:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02499993 = 0.125 BTC [+] {3}
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03:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14495 @ 0.00091599 = 13.2773 BTC [+] {2}
03:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00091728 = 3.4903 BTC [+]
03:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00091728 = 14.2178 BTC [+]
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03:45 Gotchawallet hpn
03:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00091728 = 9.9984 BTC [+]
03:51 VanCleef why are people throwing money away on mpoe?
03:51 VanCleef 13 - 14 btc jesus christ
04:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.30000004 = 1.2 BTC [-]
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04:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15523 @ 0.00091827 = 14.2543 BTC [+] {3}
04:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9069 @ 0.00009746 = 0.8839 BTC [-]
04:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30989899 BTC [+]
04:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0009197 = 8.5532 BTC [+] {3}
05:11 kakobrekla http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2013/12/23/isu-researcher-quits-amid-allegations-of-aids-research-fraud-involving-millions-of-federal-dollars/article?gcheck=1
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05:32 Duffer1 paywall
05:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3814 @ 0.00091456 = 3.4881 BTC [-]
05:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19542 @ 0.00091455 = 17.8721 BTC [-] {2}
05:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5658 @ 0.00091392 = 5.171 BTC [-]
05:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 732 @ 0.0009201 = 0.6735 BTC [+]
05:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30668 @ 0.00092034 = 28.225 BTC [+] {2}
06:03 VanCleef man who is wasting 28 btc's on that crap?
06:03 VanCleef must be fake trades
06:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00091392 = 3.1073 BTC [-]
06:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.0225 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3}
06:31 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Guy should have scammed a boring disease
06:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00211152 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {7}
06:35 BingoBoingo Alopecia would have been a nice choice. People have been scamming that for ages.
06:38 kakobrekla VanCleef : better get some cog
06:48 Duffer1 "Outside of libertarian circles, it has become conventional wisdom that it is both natural and desirable for governments to monopolize the production and quantity of currency."
06:48 Duffer1 ^ a gem from the latest pundit http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-31/bitcoin-is-a-high-tech-dinosaur-soon-to-be-extinct.html
06:51 BingoBoingo Duffer1: You see the dude's official portrait yet?
06:51 Duffer1 no but i suspect he looks like badluckbrian
06:53 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/31/mayor_bloomberg_s_official_portrait_revealed_mocked.html
06:53 ozbot Mayor Bloomberg’s official portrait revealed, mocked
06:53 Duffer1 oh bloomberg hehe
06:58 Duffer1 he looks like what Bush Jr would look like if he was a jew
07:02 VanCleef trying to get some labcoin atm
07:10 Duffer1 "In fact, if you strip away its technological trappings -- the encryption, the peer-to-peer networks -- and Bitcoin closely resembles these earlier private efforts."
07:10 Duffer1 This article is a goldmine
07:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00092036 = 7.5009 BTC [+]
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07:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00091891 = 16.1728 BTC [-]
07:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15901 @ 0.0009205 = 14.6369 BTC [+] {4}
07:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00091551 = 10.4643 BTC [-] {2}
07:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4070 @ 0.00091368 = 3.7187 BTC [-] {2}
08:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.0009156 = 5.5961 BTC [+]
08:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9738 @ 0.00091638 = 8.9237 BTC [+]
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08:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091358 = 12.6074 BTC [-]
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09:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.0009121 = 15.1865 BTC [-] {2}
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09:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00091195 = 1.3679 BTC [-]
09:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00091686 = 11.6817 BTC [+] {2}
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10:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00091315 = 21.6417 BTC [-] {2}
10:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00091749 = 5.8261 BTC [+] {2}
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11:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00091195 = 4.195 BTC [-]
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11:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0009123 = 7.5265 BTC [+]
11:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
11:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
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12:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 770 @ 0.00048991 = 0.3772 BTC [+] {5}
12:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00298787 = 1.4939 BTC [+] {4}
12:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00091902 = 16.0829 BTC [+] {4}
12:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08625 = 0.4313 BTC [-]
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13:32 Gotchawallet so what do you all think about that bloomberg article
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9235 @ 0.00091942 = 8.4908 BTC [+]
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02399997 = 0.12 BTC [+]
14:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00091789 = 4.1764 BTC [-]
14:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00091707 = 4.0351 BTC [-]
14:12 benkay kinda neglects the whole "democratic governments always evolve into control regimes and a major tool in the kit is currency" angle.
14:12 benkay so typical usg propaganda.
14:12 the20year1 If no one likes it , no one will use it
14:12 the20year1 But trends are showing otherwise
14:13 benkay it's not for using.
14:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.30988397 = 4.3384 BTC [-] {3}
14:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30999966 = 1.86 BTC [+] {2}
14:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00091611 = 34.1709 BTC [-] {3}
14:20 the20year1 ?
14:20 Positron_ The Blackberry buyout bet on BitBet has been mis-resolved. There will be no Blackberry takeover. http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/26/blackberry-co-founder-ends-takeover-bid-sells-off-shares/
14:26 kakobrekla ;;later tell mircea_popescu <Positron_> The Blackberry buyout bet on BitBet has been mis-resolved. There will be no Blackberry takeover. http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/26/blackberry-co-founder-ends-takeover-bid-sells-off-shares/
14:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
14:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2139 @ 0.00091942 = 1.9666 BTC [+]
14:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8061 @ 0.00091993 = 7.4156 BTC [+] {2}
14:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13410 @ 0.00091997 = 12.3368 BTC [+]
14:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3438 @ 0.00092242 = 3.1713 BTC [+]
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 60000 @ 0.001 = 60 BTC
14:34 benkay what blackberry bet?
14:35 mike_c http://bitbet.us/bet/367/research-in-motion-rimm-will-be-acquired-in/
14:35 ozbot BitBet - Research In Motion (RIMM), will be acquired in 2013
14:36 Duffer1 Official announcement will be sufficient to close as Yes.
14:37 benkay bitbet search is kinda limp
14:37 mike_c you probably had the 'open' filter selected
14:38 benkay defaults. those rarely considered user flow elements.
14:38 mike_c Official announcement of acquisition is not the same as announcement of non-binding LOI. tough one to resolve, probably was a bad bet.
14:39 benkay also searches aren't persistent
14:39 benkay you broke my forwards button kakobrekla
14:39 mike_c this jury of one would say to the losing bettors: you should have complained at the time and said it was only a LOI.
14:39 Duffer1 ah good point
14:40 Positron_ The takover deal was cancelled before the end of 2013. So the bet should resolve as no?
14:40 the20year1 what exchanges do you guys favor the most?
14:40 mike_c glbse
14:40 Duffer1 currency or securities?
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31099 BTC [+]
14:41 the20year1 securities
14:41 mike_c don't you get the same answer every time you ask that here? :)
14:41 Duffer1 :P
14:42 the20year1 Usually it's havelock but have been hearing good things about cryptostocks
14:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21208 @ 0.00091407 = 19.3856 BTC [-] {2}
14:42 Duffer1 :(((((((((((
14:42 mike_c not in this channel.
14:42 Duffer1 cryptostocks listed labcoin even after they were confirmed as a scam
14:44 Duffer1 cryptostocks is a 'good' exchange in the same way 6th street in Austin is a 'good' place to buy drugs
14:44 Duffer1 you might get drugs, or you might get raped
14:44 the20year1 And you all trade on mpex?
14:47 benkay some of us
14:48 benkay some trade on havelock or cryptostocks, thinking the fee too steep for our liking and unwilling to pay jurov for the privilege of using his keys.
14:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00091286 = 10.8174 BTC [-]
14:50 benkay the20year1: look at average trade size on various exchanges.
14:50 benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393593.msg4256680#msg4256680
14:50 benkay guy gets scammed, has 'i now do bitcoin consultancy' in sig
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15:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00091195 = 9.6211 BTC [-]
15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00091195 = 2.4167 BTC [-]
15:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00091182 = 14.8171 BTC [-]
15:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00091108 = 24.3258 BTC [-] {3}
15:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00091258 = 13.5518 BTC [+]
16:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [+]
16:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21733 @ 0.00091015 = 19.7803 BTC [-]
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16:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]
16:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.0009105 = 17.8458 BTC [+] {2}
16:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.300101 = 1.2004 BTC [-]
16:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-]
16:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.29793486 = 13.705 BTC [-] {6}
16:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.28188889 = 2.537 BTC [-] {3}
16:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.280975 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {2}
16:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11278 @ 0.00091009 = 10.264 BTC [-] {2}
16:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]
16:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1603 @ 0.00091282 = 1.4633 BTC [+] {2}
17:08 benkay gpg key expiry. how does it work?
17:08 Duffer1 ;;gpg key expiry
17:08 gribble Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "key" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
17:08 Duffer1 ;;google gpg key expiry
17:08 gribble How to change the expiration date of a GPG key | G-Loaded Journal: <http://www.g-loaded.eu/2010/11/01/change-expiration-date-gpg-key/>; edit-key - GnuPG: <http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html>; what happens when a key expires? - GPGTools Support: <http://support.gpgtools.org/discussions/everything/10012-what-happens-when-a-key-expires>
17:09 benkay oh, i know how to do it. i don't know how it works.
17:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.0225 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}
17:16 pankkake what do you mean, works? it's a date field
17:20 Apocalyptic pankkake, he thought it was somehow enforced in the signing/encrypting process I guess
17:20 Apocalyptic though it doesn't make much sense to consider it
17:21 pankkake perhaps GPG gives you a warning. but it's not like you can really enforce dates
17:21 pankkake well, a bitcoin-like blockchain can be used to enforce dates
17:21 benkay what about on the signature verification side? if i change my key expiry, how will that show up in my signed messages?
17:21 Apocalyptic it won't
17:28 benkay mpex is still using A57D509A?
17:32 benkay looks like it...
17:34 benkay so naive gpg won't use an expired subkey
17:47 the20year Take a look at this if possible and let me know if it's clear enough - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z-6ppuDBSnWkfe736URe_2pJA3lNGXgf_6k-occcU2w/edit
17:50 Duffer1 6% is incredibly unattractive
17:52 Duffer1 also: "Public bond HHHHHHolder list.."
17:52 Duffer1 otherwise seems pretty straight forward "you're going to lose money on this deal if you invest"
17:53 pankkake I don't see the issue with the 6% - and keep in mind it's an USD bond
17:54 pankkake but you basically address bitcoiners who want to sell, or outsiders, but why use bitcoin then?
17:55 pankkake unless doing this kind of thing with fiat is forbidden (or hard)
17:59 truffles hey pankkake, did u have a merry xmas?
17:59 pankkake it was nice, what about you?
17:59 truffles meh
18:00 truffles i lived
18:00 truffles new year new beginnings!
18:01 pankkake let's hope so
18:02 truffles bitcoin survived 2013 heh
18:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.022 = 0.22 BTC [-] {3}
18:04 the20year It would be moved to an exchange at some short point in teh future
18:05 the20year You'll loose BTC if you invest and the value of BTC increases relative to USD
18:05 the20year If said value goes down, you'll do quite well, at any rate you'll make interest in USD
18:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00092198 = 15.5354 BTC [+] {2}
18:06 Duffer1 i hear you man, i like what you're doing as a startup
18:07 benkay it's not a startup yo it's an REIT.
18:07 Duffer1 but btc swings 6% a day easy
18:07 Duffer1 ah right, wrong word
18:07 the20year And hopefully the swings would average out
18:11 the20year But, that's a risk, the alternative is holding on to bitcoins hopefully appreciating in value over time
18:12 Duffer1 http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
18:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00092248 = 16.4201 BTC [+] {2}
18:13 pankkake but you wouldn't invest all your fortune in bitcoin - this seems like a nice fiat investment
18:13 pankkake not a get rich quick one, so again, I wonder where you're going to get btc people to invest :p
18:14 Duffer1 my fiat is in bitcoin
18:14 Duffer1 well was :P
18:15 the20year Ukto and graet got $250k-$350k worth of bitcoins on their 12% loans
18:15 the20year and anyone that paid attention realized they were cashing out to USD, and could never repay the BTC value
18:15 pankkake no arguing about that. that was stupid
18:15 mircea_popescu the20year you're not ukto and certainly not graet.
18:15 the20year So, my question is whether or not I can attract people wanting a reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment
18:16 mircea_popescu in people can get financed for any stupidity they wish to do. out people can not, no matter anything.
18:16 mircea_popescu the practical solutions are either to be upset or to strive to in yourself.
18:16 pankkake "reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment" => well, many people want that. but they are not bitcoiners :p
18:16 mircea_popescu either can take a lifetime easily, either may just as well not deliver in the end.
18:18 the20year Yeah, that's my concern pankkake
18:18 pankkake so, why would people use bitcoins, and not fiat directly?
18:19 the20year Bitcoin marketplace is so hot and easy to access, fiat is much more difficult for me
18:19 the20year My cost to IPO via bitfunder and get ~$100k of investment was $500
18:19 the20year To take any investment in person from investors the traditiional way, i'd of spent $20k
18:20 mircea_popescu mkay, good enough.
18:20 pankkake i agree
18:20 pankkake though you now have the "unregistered security" added risk
18:20 the20year Even now , if I wanted to be mr legal eagle, I Could use said investment funds to pay for a PPM and get those same fiat investors, and my personal contribution to the whole ordeal is $500
18:21 the20year Not exactly, part of our seed money was to hire a lawyer that knew what he was doing. Sure, we're on slightly risky legal ground, but he already has placed some options available should the SEC call us
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00092376 = 6.7434 BTC [+]
18:22 pankkake I guess it also allows someone with mainly non-USD fiat to easily invest, too
18:22 the20year Correct, and i'd venture to say before the BF troubles, 95%+ of our investors were outside the US , in risky countries that have a hard time investing
18:23 mircea_popescu Subject: #Notice of appearance in court Order 8389
18:23 mircea_popescu From: "Notice to Appear" <support_888@bakerbotts.com>
18:23 mircea_popescu spammers are getting daring these days
18:23 mircea_popescu "Hereby you are informed that you are due in the court of Houston on the 14 of January, 2014 at 10:00 am for the hearing of your case."
18:25 Duffer1 sounds like an accurate "come visit Houston" commercial
18:27 Duffer1 that's advertising, not spam
18:28 mircea_popescu right, except it attaches the same dumbass windows-only zip file that's been hitting all the honeypots this past coupla months
18:28 mircea_popescu some kid with a coupla grand decided he's gonna get himself rich online
18:29 mircea_popescu with nothing but faith and this here old pair of underwear.
18:29 Duffer1 that's travel itinerary
18:29 truffles everyone with charm should have a crack at fiat :d
18:29 Duffer1 it totally won't steal your wallet or anything
18:29 mircea_popescu i'm with truffles (0.0) in that yeah
18:30 truffles everyone isnt charming though, its a skill imo
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18:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.000094 = 1.88 BTC [+]
18:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00306 = 0.6885 BTC [-]
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19:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 250 @ 0.003 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3}
19:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0491 = 0.982 BTC [-]
19:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]
19:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12966 @ 0.00092332 = 11.9718 BTC [-]
19:27 FabianB lol https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/290
19:30 mircea_popescu herp
19:30 mircea_popescu lol
19:32 FabianB hehe
19:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6961 @ 0.00092376 = 6.4303 BTC [+]
19:46 mircea_popescu if indeed gavin's key accidentally expires with no back-ups...
19:46 mircea_popescu seems pretty much where bitcoin is destined to go, really.
19:47 mircea_popescu but for the benefit of all the noobies/forumers/etc that may get to read this : notice dear chitlins how it was the WoT that broke that request ?
19:47 mircea_popescu meditate on this point.
19:48 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i like your new colors.
19:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04901434 = 1.0293 BTC [-] {4}
19:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00092219 = 10.1441 BTC [-] {2}
19:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13824 @ 0.00091678 = 12.6736 BTC [-] {2}
19:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090968 = 9.0968 BTC [-]
20:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
20:04 ArsKisS hmm
20:04 ArsKisS that ipo might even sell
20:05 VanCleef nah
20:05 ArsKisS 153k left
20:05 ArsKisS anyway, I keep my money waiting for the drop :P
20:06 VanCleef ya
20:07 ArsKisS funny how so many ipos are so overvaluated
20:07 ArsKisS Cannabit for teh lulz :D
20:08 VanCleef well, when pulling off a bitcoin scam you gotta tkae as many coins as you can
20:08 ArsKisS well.. scam is a bit rough word
20:11 mircea_popescu in general ipos tend to be overvalued because people suffer from a "money on the table" issue.
20:11 mircea_popescu such as, if my "company" may live 10 years and be worth 10 btc, then i'll be damned if i sell for less than 10 btc today
20:11 mircea_popescu notwithstanding that no company to date lived 10 years.
20:12 mircea_popescu and notwithstanding that the only ipo to date to make the owner actually rich (ie, mpoe) actually listed at two degrees of magnitude less than what it sells for.
20:13 mircea_popescu this compounded of course by the fact that there's very few people with any sort of experience or ability in the field of bitcoin finance, and plenty of muppet venues available.
20:14 VanCleef no bitcoin company is going ot last 10 years lol
20:15 mircea_popescu wanna bet ?
20:15 VanCleef yeah but lets not use bitbet its totally shit
20:16 mircea_popescu aite, so what are we using ?
20:16 pankkake define "last"
20:17 VanCleef i'm not locking away btc for 10years on a bet
20:17 mircea_popescu why not ? from experience, the people who did best in btc are those who locked it away.
20:18 VanCleef you'll probably be in jail or dead by then
20:18 VanCleef how will i get paid?
20:19 ArsKisS VanCleef, you actually wanna bet that none of bitcoin companies will live for 10 years?
20:19 pankkake what if mpex is still online, but no one uses it? does that count?
20:20 VanCleef no it doesn't count
20:20 VanCleef noone is using it now
20:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3532 @ 0.0009147 = 3.2307 BTC [+]
20:20 pankkake well
20:21 mircea_popescu derp lol
20:21 mircea_popescu i take your meaning tho, you will be in jail or dead within the decade, therefore the world doesn't exist and doesn't matter.
20:21 mircea_popescu thanks for making it easy and everything.
20:22 VanCleef lol
20:22 pankkake do you have an exit plan to somalia?
20:24 mircea_popescu getting back to the original point, if no company is making it for 10 years then no company has any business listing.
20:24 mircea_popescu just like if nobody is actually cooking anything as complex as a pizza there's no need for italian pizza ovens
20:24 VanCleef all the ones that are listed now wont be around in 10 years
20:25 VanCleef mostly talking about havelock here
20:25 mircea_popescu VanCleef inasmuch as you limit the statement to "those venues all the forum idiots use", then you're prtobably right.
20:25 VanCleef those too
20:25 mircea_popescu tho statistically there's probably going to be one or two unlikely exceptions
20:25 mircea_popescu that'll look totally obvious in retrospect
20:25 VanCleef 10 years is a very long time in bitcoin world
20:25 VanCleef that's like 100 years
20:26 mircea_popescu only because "bitcoin world" as understood by muppets strictly consists of muppets, who have no intellectual ability to speak of, which limits their cognitive bubble rather severely.
20:26 mircea_popescu but that aside, i know plenty of people with a decade or multi-decade outlook
20:27 mircea_popescu course they're not "in" bitcoin according to... whatever, reddit.
20:27 VanCleef do you mind naming one?
20:27 VanCleef if its okey to share
20:28 mircea_popescu sure. take casares. or take vorhees.
20:29 mircea_popescu plenty more people you should know about as they're public, caldwell, the russian pirate bet guy,
20:29 mircea_popescu i won't name teh private, obviously, but i don't need to for this point either.
20:29 VanCleef hmmm casares and vorhees hey, i'll have a look
20:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00090968 = 8.0962 BTC [-]
20:40 mircea_popescu .d
20:40 ozbot 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 2012 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.0600% in 11d 3h 52m 13s
20:40 pankkake someone got miners for christmas
20:40 mircea_popescu seems so
20:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
20:42 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1418481395/118092319
20:42 gribble 12.0116312984
20:42 mircea_popescu wat
20:42 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1418481395/1180923195
20:42 gribble 1.20116312475
20:43 mircea_popescu ;;calc 1418481395 * 1.20116312475**2
20:43 gribble 2046574817.77
20:43 mircea_popescu ha!
20:43 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
20:43 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
20:43 mircea_popescu 3.5:1 by now
20:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00091015 = 15.1995 BTC [+]
20:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 779 @ 0.0030002 = 2.3372 BTC [-] {8}
20:46 mircea_popescu needs no more than 18.7% twice
20:47 mircea_popescu or a 20 and a 17.49
20:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3099998 BTC [+]
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21:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7771 @ 0.0009147 = 7.1081 BTC [+]
21:18 mircea_popescu ha! "people claim diamonds are forever, yet they're an absolute scam. the same people claim bitcoin is a scam, but really... bitcoin is forever."
21:19 kakobreklaa ah people, last one you want to ask when you want to know about something, is people
21:19 kakobreklaa here they say, you are "as hardworking as an ant"
21:20 kakobreklaa yet they do not know 50% of ant workers pretend to be working their whole life
21:20 the20year1 and bitcoins that are lost?
21:21 the20year1 in unrecoverable wallets?
21:21 kakobreklaa you cant proove its unrecoverable
21:22 pankkake so ants are like humans?
21:22 mircea_popescu it really makes very little difference whether anyone can or can't use the bitcoins.
21:22 mircea_popescu they're there alright.
21:22 kakobreklaa no i dont think ants are as humans, just humans are dumb
21:22 pankkake in the sense that they pretend to be working
21:22 kakobreklaa the ratio on htat with humans is prolly higher
21:22 mircea_popescu it's not really dumb, for the ants. they didn't ask to be hatched there.
21:23 mircea_popescu the problem with humans is that they ASK to join whatever shit they then don't help with
21:23 mircea_popescu everyone applied & interviewed for the job they aren't doing.
21:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.00091617 = 5.6931 BTC [+] {2}
21:24 the20year1 Technically they're recoverable through brute force, however the resources to do that are immense
21:25 truffles santa where are my presents!
21:27 kakobreklaa the20year but that goes true for lost and non lost coins
21:27 truffles kako :(
21:27 kakobreklaa what i didnt take your presents.
21:28 truffles ure supposed to hand them out though
21:28 kakobreklaa well, wheres the bag, wheres the list?
21:28 kakobreklaa ahhh here is the list, tiber takes the top of naughy boys
21:29 truffles is he the only person u banned?
21:29 kakobreklaa dunno
21:29 kakobreklaa prolly not
21:29 the20year1 Any other clairifcation needed on the rentalstarter bond?
21:29 truffles whyd u do it!
21:29 kakobreklaa bribes
21:30 truffles it could be ur good act for 2014, bring back tiber!
21:30 truffles (forgot the spelling)
21:30 kakobreklaa ok, guys, lets vote, type 1 for tib unban, or type 2 for truffles ban
21:31 truffles nooo
21:31 truffles evil
21:31 kakobreklaa you gotta balance it somehow ya know
21:31 truffles 1
21:32 truffles clearly the only active around :D
21:32 assbot 2
21:32 truffles omg
21:32 truffles shortcuts
21:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00298988 = 1.4949 BTC [+] {5}
21:36 benkay both!
21:37 truffles there goes that hater
21:37 benkay i maintain my own ignore file tho so it's not as if a t-ban's going to improve my life noticeably.
21:38 benkay tiberius was amazing!
21:38 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
21:38 benkay amazing troll.
21:38 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
21:38 benkay shut up, assbot.
21:38 Gotchawallet kakobreklaa thats a hard decision
21:38 truffles to ignore is to show preference though
21:38 truffles i have none ..
21:39 truffles lets be a happy #assets
21:39 Gotchawallet almost inclined to press 2 so i will not press either because pressing 1 would mean hell
21:39 Gotchawallet is there a 0?
21:39 truffles :(
21:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
21:44 KRS|Gotyawallet dont worry truffles it'll be okay..
21:45 truffles i know i managed to survive these many years without #assets, dunno how i did
21:47 KRS|Gotyawallet because you aren't a muppet i guess..they're easily spotted here.
21:47 KRS|Gotyawallet at times I may have shown I've been uninformed (ignorant) but my intelligence pulls me through =D
21:47 truffles ha
21:48 truffles there is lotta that everywhere
21:49 KRS|Gotyawallet its like information overload..i'm having trouble digesting so much news and information sometimes. hard to keep up with and exhausting. i'm afraid i might miss something so i work real hard at it. the world moves pretty fast.
21:49 truffles it does
21:49 KRS|Gotyawallet i started smoking these e-cigs (vaporizors) this one is english toffee. i like it so far
21:50 truffles trolls prob would help u with filtering, putting them on ignore discourages this skill
21:51 KRS|Gotyawallet yea they do help, anything that floats to the top of their froth seems to be worth looking at for a final decision as to whether its worth my time or not
21:52 truffles sometimes some really smart ppl r so closed-minded or narrow minded and it kinda surprises me too much
21:53 mircea_popescu <KRS|Gotyawallet> its like information overload. << try reading tvtropes sometime
21:53 mircea_popescu my brain is still singed from the last binge
21:55 Duffer1 http://i.imgur.com/psu515W.gif
21:55 Duffer1 yes it's a cat gif
21:58 mircea_popescu lol
22:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.75438420 BTC to 14`404 shares, 81605 satoshi per share
22:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 2.57234125 BTC to 331`915 shares, 775 satoshi per share
22:03 KRS|Gotyawallet Tropes Are Tools, not clichés. - this will help me take a more critical approach to media
22:04 KRS|Gotyawallet thanks- looking more into this
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.0029899 = 0.9568 BTC [+]
22:07 KRS|Gotyawallet yeah truffles you are right about that, i'm not sure what to make of it myself
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00090974 = 13.4642 BTC [-] {3}
22:08 KRS|Gotyawallet could be a number of different reasons, imo most of the time it has something to do with their personality type
22:08 truffles easy example, can an intelligent person be racist?
22:10 KRS|Gotyawallet probably
22:10 KRS|Gotyawallet i dont see why not
22:11 KRS|Gotyawallet i saw something on bitcoin tonight on tv- it was amazingly positive- its one of those off-brand "news" broadcasts. I shall see if I can find it.
22:11 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
22:12 mircea_popescu truffles intelligent persons have in fact been racist historically.
22:12 mircea_popescu that resolves your q.
22:13 truffles but were they doing so cuz they felt it or cuz of actual goals
22:13 mircea_popescu there's nothing intrinsic to intelligence that prevents racism (as you define it) nor is there in fact anything wrong with racism in principle
22:13 mircea_popescu any more than there's anything wrong with cheese.
22:14 truffles i see something wrong with it, but less so if its a means to an end
22:14 pankkake less so? as in, if racism justifies slavery it's better than racism alone?
22:14 mircea_popescu yes well. cheese is a particular way to process milk. racism is a particular way to process difference.
22:15 mircea_popescu either can be eminently inadequate for a certain purpose or in a given circumstance
22:15 truffles thats where we have prejudice
22:15 mircea_popescu but outside of the agent, his purpose and his circumstances, they're just that, cheese.
22:15 truffles pankkake not necessarily that
22:15 VanCleef i'm cool with racism as long as we can be homophobic too
22:15 VanCleef do you hate gays mircea?
22:15 mircea_popescu VanCleef notrly
22:16 VanCleef ew
22:16 mircea_popescu ok, to make the joke : "i don't hate sick people"
22:16 kakobrekla bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4264071#msg4264071
22:16 kakobrekla fuukin http missing stupid browser
22:16 VanCleef i dont like them because they are commiting crimes against nature
22:16 mircea_popescu kakobrekla everything is better witha smaller ammount of http
22:16 pankkake kakobrekla: using Nooble Chrome? :|
22:16 truffles hate is a strong word u know
22:17 kakobrekla pankkake opera
22:17 mircea_popescu fun fact : with internet kid at plastics factory. kid notices large HTPP spelled out somewhere, decides they've misspelled http
22:17 kakobrekla they decided to remove the option to show full url tards.
22:17 truffles i started using opera to get away from firefox, it required too much !
22:18 truffles or rather lacking too much
22:20 pankkake wow, even Opera is removing options now?
22:20 kakobrekla yes i will stop using it prolly
22:21 kakobrekla they made it for retard users
22:21 pankkake the Chrome devs refuse to put an option, and close any bug on the subject without discussion
22:21 kakobrekla you know what is the reasoning for that option removal
22:21 kakobrekla "http or https is too techical for people"
22:22 pankkake it's a fucking option, put it behind an "Avanced do not go there"
22:22 pankkake put it in about:config! oh, wait
22:22 kakobrekla yeah, first place i searched
22:22 kakobrekla but no cigar
22:22 pankkake oh opera has about:config? :)
22:22 kakobrekla its opera:config
22:22 kakobrekla an opera:about
22:23 kakobrekla and
22:23 mircea_popescu so use 7.5 or w/e
22:23 mircea_popescu not like you have to use their most recent brainfuck, or there's any incentive to do so
22:23 pankkake security fixes
22:23 KRS|Gotyawallet cant find it but..did you guys see this http://pro.moneymappress.com/NVXBITCOIN49/WNVXPC41/
22:23 kakobrekla i would have to go way back to get a non sucky version
22:24 kakobrekla which now sucks in other ways.
22:24 the20year1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395221.0
22:24 ozbot [Direct] Rentalstarter-Bond - Paying WEEKLY interest
22:24 the20year1 There's our thread on bitcoin talk
22:24 kakobrekla also i thought their integration of webkit is going to save them
22:24 kakobrekla its looking rather bleek so far
22:24 kakobrekla which makes kako unhappy.
22:25 pankkake KRS|Gotyawallet: lol the investor comments on the bottom look so like the ones of scams
22:25 KRS|Gotyawallet yeah the video is moving
22:26 pankkake why the fuck are they using edison
22:26 pankkake what the fuck is this
22:26 KRS|Gotyawallet probably because its based on electric and not paper
22:26 KRS|Gotyawallet they dont want to put the name 'bitcoin' out there right away because it seems they are offering investment plans on how to invest in it
22:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8958 @ 0.00090955 = 8.1477 BTC [-] {2}
22:27 pankkake brb starting EdisonCoin
22:28 pankkake and its silver to gold TeslaCoin
22:28 kakobrekla make it AC and DC
22:28 the20year1 i'm still considering a realestate coin
22:28 kakobrekla just go use ripple or something rather!
22:29 kakobrekla http://www.frontiersinzoology.com/content/10/1/80/abstract
22:29 ozbot Frontiers in Zoology | Abstract | Dogs are sensitive to small variations of the Earth's magnetic fie
22:29 kakobrekla Dogs preferred to excrete with the body being aligned along the North-south axis under calm MF conditions.
22:29 kakobrekla fyi.
22:30 Duffer1 oh cool
22:30 KRS|Gotyawallet folks within the FED are probably starting to poop their pants a little on the liquid side 1Q14
22:30 Duffer1 so do i actually
22:30 Duffer1 you know.. just to make it weird
22:31 the20year1 KRS|Gotyawallet: what do you mean?
22:31 mircea_popescu if there's anyone left with a working brain over there
22:31 mircea_popescu i dunno... cognitive dissonance kills brain cells
22:31 KRS|Gotyawallet I don't think the FED has ever been under so much attack as this day and age
22:32 the20year1 Since induction? I'd agree wholeheartedly
22:32 the20year1 People want competetion, competetion brings innovation
22:32 KRS|Gotyawallet thinking everything up until now, but with the addition of digital currency
22:33 the20year1 Digital currency is the bigges threat because it's so easy to do, compared to physical stuff
22:33 KRS|Gotyawallet Libertarians, competing foreign currency, digital currency
22:33 KRS|Gotyawallet Inflation
22:34 the20year1 Yeah
22:34 the20year1 granted the late 70s weren't too easy on inflation
22:34 KRS|Gotyawallet that was bad
22:34 KRS|Gotyawallet that+oil crisis was bad
22:36 mircea_popescu myeah
22:36 the20year1 10%+ inflation
22:36 the20year1 But alot of people made out like bandits. My grandparents got 5-10 year CD locks at 15%+ interest
22:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 769 @ 0.00091099 = 0.7006 BTC [+]
22:37 kakobrekla ok im ipoing doge compass
22:37 kakobrekla buy before too late
22:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.31365068 = 14.7416 BTC [+] {10}
22:39 KRS|Gotyawallet makes me wonder how my parents did so well..even considering the high unemployment of the early-mid 80's
22:39 KRS|Gotyawallet our generation is now, our generation is virtual currency
22:40 the20year1 most of the people i know who were adults during the 80s did extraordinarily well
22:41 the20year1 Significantly lower cost of living, easier time getting a job
22:41 the20year1 Locally, a typical waitress could go out, and buy a lower end house with a FHA mortgage for her median income, alone
22:41 Duffer1 your college degree was actually worth something..
22:41 KRS|Gotyawallet i think early 80's unemplyment in the US was near 14%
22:41 the20year1 That too
22:41 benkay and it's not there now?!
22:42 the20year1 According to BLS it isn't
22:42 KRS|Gotyawallet Dyffer1 good point- i was shocked after going to college to see just how worthless a degree was..i felt like i wasted my time, but I'm happy to have been educated.
22:42 KRS|Gotyawallet bekay I think its near 8%
22:42 the20year1 1983 it was 10.4%
22:42 benkay dat good old "labor participation" fudge factor
22:42 benkay you guys eat these government employment statistics up wholly credulously
22:42 benkay amazing
22:42 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
22:42 the20year1 laborparticipation is the one standard that hasn't been changed since the 80s
22:43 KRS|Gotyawallet benkay where else can one go for those stats?
22:43 the20year1 unemployment I believe has been changed twice
22:43 Duffer1 they stop counting those that stop looking (are forced off benefits)
22:43 the20year1 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
22:43 ozbot Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
22:43 benkay dig into the conspiracy theory areas yourself
22:43 KRS|Gotyawallet the20year1- thanks but see what benkay said
22:44 benkay there are some slim pickings of useful information out there.
22:44 the20year1 so what statistics do you believe benkay?
22:44 KRS|Gotyawallet he might be right but i have no comment beyond that
22:45 Duffer1 i define unemployment as any mode below personal sustainability
22:45 Duffer1 which would include under-employed
22:46 truffles below personal sustainability?
22:46 benkay the whole notion is fucked. there's a generation out there laboring at fast food operations under a few tens of thousands of dollars of debt undertaken for useless degrees.
22:46 benkay but hey they're 'employed'
22:46 benkay it's like counting labor camps in the employment numbers
22:47 truffles everyone cant get that nice office job like u benkay
22:47 Duffer1 truffles an amount that can sustain you without forced reliance on a welfare system
22:47 truffles hmmm
22:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04900001 = 0.245 BTC [-]
22:48 the20year1 the thing is , there are tons of great jobs out there that don't require college degrees
22:48 the20year1 I know two guys that have told me more than once, if I wanted to weld/tend oil lines i could start off making $60k-$70k a year
22:48 benkay and zero americans electing to not get degrees.
22:48 truffles via nepotism?
22:48 the20year1 they have dozens of jobs available, no one wants them
22:48 benkay precisely. over educated and unwilling to work manual jobs.
22:49 the20year1 Within 5 years I'd be making over $100k/yr, if I kept with it
22:49 truffles tend oil lines
22:49 the20year1 One is a line manager for one of the largest power co-ops in the US, he can't keep anyone
22:49 benkay yeah man if you like putting your hands on the line every time you go to work
22:49 the20year1 even at $25/hr starting pay
22:49 truffles like thats some pretty job omg
22:49 the20year1 O
22:49 benkay i got out of the atom-smashing business a while ago
22:49 benkay plus you can't smoke pot
22:49 the20year1 Trans-state oil lines that run underground, you go from station to station checking readings, making sure lines are being maintained and built
22:50 benkay modern hippies would rather not work than take a job that keeps them off the reefer
22:50 kakobrekla having a job is so nineties
22:50 the20year1 correct
22:50 truffles benkay and the20year1 must be trollin now
22:51 KRS|Gotyawallet cant tell which is the troll
22:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.000094 = 0.235 BTC [+]
22:51 the20year1 My contractor says the same thing, no one wants to work, he approached a half dozen guys who keep complaining about there being no jobs in town. Offered $15/hr starting pay, none would do it
22:51 KRS|Gotyawallet haha
22:51 truffles what town?
22:51 truffles this is like unheard of
22:51 the20year1 Central Ohio, about 20mi south of Columbus
22:52 KRS|Gotyawallet that old guy with the spikey white hair has been spotted on the interwebz, sometime during this christmas holiday http://forums.newart.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=145319&mode=view
22:52 truffles its not detroit at least :D
22:52 the20year1 7.5% unemployment rate, according to bls
22:52 KRS|Gotyawallet is that benkay's bls statistic though
22:53 truffles so these jobs that no one wants are only available in Ohio?
22:53 the20year1 I doubt it, the gas line I mentioned runs from colorado to PA
22:53 the20year1 and each state needs workers
22:54 the20year1 Most of the skilled trades are dying for workers
22:54 the20year1 HVAC, plumbing, electrical, auto repair
22:55 the20year1 Our median individual income is around $28k/yr , the median plumber rate is $80/hr
22:55 pankkake KRS|Gotyawallet: anyone opening that link at work just lost their jobs. congratulations!
22:55 truffles so ure talking about skilled labor not the jobs that random joes can get
22:56 the20year1 The ones that take 6-12 months of on the job training before you have somewhat reasonable skill and can go under a contractor, a few years there and you can write your own ticket
22:56 benkay .bait
22:56 ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/4bd1a5d0e8901c9bf4cbaa925a8fa8c5/tumblr_msy4w3CXHQ1qm2q0lo1_1280.jpg
22:56 benkay pankkake: same with anyone opening that link. what of it?
22:57 the20year1 https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645614772115336&set=a.151342491542569.29994.116999698310182&type=1&theater&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FMichigan%2Fcomments%2F1kwx6m%2Fmike_rowe_takes_verbal_jackhammer_to_michigan%2F&_rdr
22:57 ozbot Timeline Photos
22:57 benkay maybe they should get a job as a welder
22:57 the20year1 There's a pretty good bit of information on the problem from mike rowe
22:57 the20year1 Around here, if you're a decently skilled welder the rates are ~$100/hr
22:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00091099 = 2.1864 BTC [+]
22:59 KRS|Gotyawallet wow rly lol
22:59 KRS|Gotyawallet most welders don't only weld they are also fabricators and that is why
23:00 mircea_popescu KRS|Gotyawallet> bekay I think its near 8% << depends how you count it
23:00 KRS|Gotyawallet f'n-a i didnt know about the .bait command
23:00 the20year1 There's a huge percieved difference between jobs, so much so that people are willing a 50% pay cut for something that they percieve as a good job
23:00 KRS|Gotyawallet me and ozbot need to get a separate room..bbl
23:00 mircea_popescu 8% of the people actively looking for a job can't find one. 30% or so of the people who could work do not
23:00 mircea_popescu part of them through being homeless/bums. part through pretending to be sick.
23:00 mircea_popescu plenty through simply staying off the books
23:01 the20year1 For instance, a good friend of mine owned about a dozen subways (Sub shops), and they paid about $8/hr starting wage, work there for a year and you're up to $12 a hour if you don't make management (most do by that point) and you're up to $14
23:01 the20year1 no education, 401k, pretty decent work overall
23:02 the20year1 They continue to take polls and check data, and every single time workers were asked, they were all willing to quit and change their job to work at a bank for minimum wage, just because of the percieved class difference between fast food and working at a bank
23:05 truffles who are they polling?
23:06 the20year1 His employees
23:06 truffles sample size?
23:06 the20year1 and he had quite a bit of statistics from various employment firms, since most fast food workers were so transient
23:06 the20year1 hundreds
23:07 truffles that is crazy to me
23:08 truffles the list of questions id have to ask is too much to resolve this in my mind, so ill end here :D
23:11 the20year1 He's always interesting to talk to, asside from owning a dozen or so subways, the company he ran had gross sales of $30m-$40m a year
23:11 kakobrekla http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4259859#msg4259859
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23:13 KRS|Gotyawallet speaking of, is /dtng ever going back online
23:15 kakobrekla whys taht KRS|Gotyawallet
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23:23 pankkake http://www.infowars.com/global-warming-scientists-still-trapped-in-record-level-antarctic-ice/
23:23 ozbot » Global Warming Scientists Still Trapped In Record-Level Antarctic Ice Alex Jones' Infowars: Ther
23:25 kakobrekla you link infowars, im starting to belive gw is real
23:26 pankkake my source is French, then googled the first stuff I could find. what's infowars?
23:26 Duffer1 i'm afraid to load the comments
23:26 Duffer1 i can't even remember why i read the whole post..
23:26 kakobrekla u dont know alex jones??
23:27 Duffer1 think bat + shit + lsd
23:27 truffles he lives in a cave
23:27 pankkake the name rings a bell
23:27 truffles he's got great energy though
23:28 kakobrekla makes a good sandwitch with keiser
23:28 kakobrekla er, sandwich
23:28 truffles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg
23:28 ozbot Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan On Gun Control - CNN 1/7/2013 - YouTube
23:28 truffles i like keiser too :D
23:29 Duffer1 dear lord the fail
23:29 Duffer1 it makes my soul hurt
23:29 kakobrekla well keiser is funny sometimes but else meh
23:29 kakobrekla alex is just retarded
23:29 truffles no wai man
23:29 Duffer1 a retard vs a british pundit talking about american gun control
23:30 truffles alex delivers so many times
23:30 kakobrekla yes that clip is a classic
23:30 mircea_popescu best part about alex jones i discovered is that hes kinda flabby fat
23:30 mircea_popescu nothing funnier than a very excited conspiracy theorist that looks like a bank clerk
23:30 kakobrekla flabby fat?
23:30 truffles yea looks like he eats well
23:30 mircea_popescu need somewhat of a el che look to pull off crazy in a cool way.
23:30 kakobrekla he looks like he eats cocaine only
23:31 kakobrekla oh sorry
23:31 Duffer1 he looks so average american it's scary
23:31 kakobrekla i thught you said the other guy
23:31 truffles doesnt coke make u skinny though
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23:31 truffles 3:00-3:11 is my fav of that clip
23:32 kakobrekla yes, coke = keiser
23:32 kakobrekla thats what i ment
23:33 truffles how many great white sharks kill people etc lol
23:33 truffles he shouldve been a comedian
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23:36 truffles i havent seen anyone just shut down piers like alex jones besides jessie ventura
23:36 truffles he just bulldozers guests..
23:36 kakobrekla he says nothing of substane though
23:36 kakobrekla substance
23:37 truffles piers?
23:37 kakobrekla its like a dog barking
23:37 kakobrekla alex
23:37 truffles hmmm
23:37 Duffer1 piers was more like a dog presenting
23:38 kakobrekla dog who barks doesnt bite
23:38 kakobrekla which barks?
23:38 kakobrekla dunno
23:38 kakobrekla something like that
23:38 kakobrekla could ba a who its a nigga dog
23:38 kakobrekla or a doge dog
23:39 truffles lol
23:39 truffles u like that word "nigga" lol
23:39 Duffer1 i like how he dismisses gang violence so casually
23:39 Duffer1 very well done
23:39 Duffer1 i mean really who cares about all them blacks killin eachother
23:40 Duffer1 that's not "real" gun violence
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23:45 mircea_popescu i thought most gangs were latino
23:45 mircea_popescu it's kinda funny to watch all the aggitation over the black minority from afar. there's about 50% more latino people in the us, nobody is all too excited about THEIR poor prospects and poor access
23:45 truffles maybe the latino's are shooting the blacks?
23:45 mircea_popescu the blacks speak english at least.
23:46 Duffer1 largest is white if you count our police forces
23:47 Duffer1 the political discussion when it comes to latinos circles almost exclusively on immigration
23:47 Duffer1 centers*
23:47 mircea_popescu white is a solid 75% majority.
23:48 mod6 the walls they build to keep out the mexicans will someday keep the fleeing americans out of mexico
23:48 mircea_popescu the nature of walls.
23:48 Duffer1 indeed
23:48 ohider whats up
23:50 ohider with EMF weapons who needs walls just tell people what/where to go
23:54 ohider i have an idea that I want to get some feedback on
23:54 truffles EMP?
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23:59 twizt god damn
23:59 twizt i set a password so hard on my nick
23:59 twizt i forgot it
23:59 truffles lol story of my life
23:59 kakobrekla you can reset it afaik
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