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00:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00082678 = 8.9292 BTC [+]
00:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00600151 = 0.2641 BTC [-] {5}
00:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
00:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.32663833 = 6.2061 BTC [-] {3}
00:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.006 = 0.228 BTC [-]
00:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.718 BTC [+]
00:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00610127 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}
01:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00599523 = 0.1259 BTC [-] {2}
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01:16 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/block-index/438406
01:17 ozbot Bitcoin Block #268361
01:17 mircea_popescu fees = mining reward.
01:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012133 = 1.2133 BTC [-] {14}
01:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00109501 = 0.5475 BTC [-]
01:27 BingoBoingo That's a rare sight at the moment
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02:20 Diablo-D3 is friedcat no longer processing direct share trades or what?
02:27 Namworld He is, albeit very slowly
02:29 Diablo-D3 ahh
02:29 Diablo-D3 heh
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03:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4350 @ 0.0001499 = 0.6521 BTC [+]
03:45 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
03:45 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 303.00000, Best ask: 304.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 303.00000, 24 hour volume: 50925.63231333, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 309.68000, 24 hour vwap: 274.02814
03:45 BingoBoingo ;;asks 1000
03:45 gribble There are currently 7533.4558 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 3151930.19296 USD in total. | Data vintage: 210.0132 seconds
03:45 Diablo-D3 what the fuck
03:45 Diablo-D3 seriously?
03:46 BingoBoingo Apparently
03:46 BingoBoingo Fucking gem chasers
03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.71481943 = 11.4371 BTC [-] {3}
03:52 BingoBoingo I guess it also looks like the Inputs.io coins aren't being dumped right away like the Pirateat40 ones were.
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04:21 BingoBoingo ;;goxlag
04:21 gribble MtGox lag is 1.076579 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00215745226202 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
04:22 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
04:22 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 300.90000, Best ask: 306.88000, Bid-ask spread: 5.98000, Last trade: 306.88000, 24 hour volume: 59913.45566826, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 310.00000, 24 hour vwap: 277.46977
04:32 bitesak ;;asks 500
04:32 gribble There are currently 6648.9972 bitcoins offered at or under 500.0 USD, worth 2446291.50608 USD in total. | Data vintage: 99.0861 seconds
04:33 BingoBoingo ;;asks 9001
04:33 gribble There are currently 10854.036 bitcoins offered at or under 9001.0 USD, worth 10405638.0799 USD in total. | Data vintage: 135.3452 seconds
04:33 bitesak ;;asks 380
04:33 gribble There are currently 4253.2816 bitcoins offered at or under 380.0 USD, worth 1416665.99834 USD in total. | Data vintage: 158.9018 seconds
04:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0024489 = 0.2449 BTC [+]
04:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 180 @ 0.00109501 = 0.1971 BTC [-]
04:45 virtuals ;;ticker
04:45 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 310.00000, Best ask: 310.98740, Bid-ask spread: 0.98740, Last trade: 311.00000, 24 hour volume: 61529.88981591, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 311.74361, 24 hour vwap: 278.43237
04:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7 = 1.4 BTC [-]
04:50 bitesak seems it going to be a volatile month_
04:51 Diablo-D3 batten down the hatches
04:51 BingoBoingo bitesak: Might be several. mircea_popescu is going to be pissed if this shit goes to 1000 while he's sleeping...
04:51 b0n1 is there a good and trustworthy source of creating a safe cold wallet
04:52 b0n1 meaning to extract the private key in a way it cant be stolen directly
04:52 bitesak do it a on a computer that has never been connected to the internet
04:52 b0n1 if the drive breaks its gone...
04:52 bitesak you can write it out on paper
04:53 b0n1 yeah thats actually what i had in mind
04:53 b0n1 is there a good source to read the necessary steps about doing that?
04:53 BingoBoingo b0n1: Get an old computer... Something with an intel 386 or motorola 68030... NEver connect it to the internet and force bitcoind to compile on it...
04:53 jurov orly
04:54 b0n1 BingoBoingo, but its too dangerous without a backup that the drive breaks sometimes
04:54 b0n1 i think the paperwallet is a nice idea
04:55 b0n1 but i only found sources that print you the private key online (wtf?)
04:55 jurov so get the parallel dotmatrix printer and print them
04:55 b0n1 yeah I am asking for a good source to exactly that
04:55 bitesak there is that site where you can download the page and run it on an offline computer but I am in no position to suggest that is a wise method
04:56 bitesak https://www.bitaddress.org
04:57 bitesak and testing the keys with small amounts is probably a good idea first
04:59 bitesak ;;ticker
04:59 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.00000, Best ask: 321.39999, Bid-ask spread: 0.39999, Last trade: 321.00000, 24 hour volume: 62963.98772207, 24 hour low: 255.55000, 24 hour high: 321.00000, 24 hour vwap: 279.54595
04:59 bitesak BingoBoingo: the current order book is rather thin to 1'000
05:00 BingoBoingo bitesak: Indeed. Too many mother fucking gem chasers.
05:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00109371 = 1.0937 BTC [-] {6}
05:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [-]
05:06 bitesak that and maybe a sizeable amount of bitcoins have left the exchanges in fear of losing access to them. that's what I did a year ago at least
05:07 BingoBoingo Well, might make sense. Seeing how web wallets are having a rough time of late.
05:13 bitesak right, like inputs.io "Cold storage system protects coins against server compromise" and 4'100 gone through email reset is as if we were 2 years ago
05:14 jurov well, with clowns like luke-jr focus on startup times instead of something useful for airgapped machines/cold storage
05:18 jurov unencrypted wallets fiasco is bound to repeat itself
05:26 bitesak jurov: are there planned updates to coinbr ? I finally got round to adding the 2fa for withdrawal, but it seems that if I had access to someone elses coinbr acct I could rather easily/quickly buy some in the money options, and sell them at a slight discount to my main coinbr acct and exercise them. Is this correct?
05:27 jurov whaty?
05:27 jurov it can be done with one account altogether, too
05:29 ThickAsThieves [02:20] <Diablo-D3> is friedcat no longer processing direct share trades or what? <<<< one or two times per week
05:29 bitesak not if there is the 2fa enabled requiring signuature to withdraw coins
05:29 ThickAsThieves looks like we're running out of bitcoins for sale
05:30 ThickAsThieves .r
05:30 ozbot Gox | Buy: $306.00 Sell: $307.58 Last: $306.00 High: $321.52 Low: $255.55
05:30 ozbot Bitstamp | API Error
05:30 ozbot Coinbase | Buy: $281.79
05:30 ozbot Weex | Buy: $66.00 Sell: $156.00 Last: $156.00
05:31 jurov ah, you have in mind how to *steal* from some other unprotected account?
05:31 bitesak yes,
05:31 bitesak and how relevant the current 2fa system is
05:32 bitesak as it seems in my humble understanding, it can rather easily and quickly be circumvented
05:34 bitesak more speficially, how to steal from a protected (as in 2fa bitcoin signature for withdrawals) account
05:34 bitesak specifically
05:35 jurov um, that's true. should add 2fa to orders.
05:35 bitesak this is in all humility as I am no expert..
05:37 jurov np, it's really appreciated.
05:39 bitesak despite the hassle, maybe a 2fa to login from the start would still allow for convenience in placing and cancelling
05:39 bitesak orders
05:40 jurov no, that won't protect from session hijacking or xss(although i hope there's no xss)
05:44 bitesak i'm all for 2fa on all orders and withdraws
05:48 jurov okay
05:51 bitesak ;;asks 1000
05:51 gribble There are currently 9739.3209 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 3987139.62192 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds
05:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00082714 = 9.7603 BTC [+]
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06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14566 @ 0.00082533 = 12.0218 BTC [-] {2}
06:47 mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Highest-valued_currency_unit
06:47 mircea_popescu lawl.
06:49 taub man
06:49 taub i'm quite unslettled by this rise
06:49 taub especially since i failed to like
06:49 taub make the big swing
06:50 taub hope it crashes soon again :(
06:50 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/591/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-750-usd/
06:50 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above 750 USD
06:50 mircea_popescu 100:1 it'll go over 750
06:50 mircea_popescu (by spring)
06:51 wao-ender :D
06:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00571173 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2}
06:56 mircea_popescu b0n1 : you can have local backups in the shape of 2 or 6 or w/e drives.
06:57 mircea_popescu more importantly, if you also put gpg on the system you can then go gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourkey and put the result in an email to yourself
06:57 mircea_popescu or write it on a wall.
06:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
06:58 mircea_popescu jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago.
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07:14 mircea_popescu mike_c i guess you were right, whoever got those options made out ok.
07:17 taub ...
07:17 taub look at those btcn numbers
07:18 taub they understand a thing or two about marketing their exchange
07:18 taub first you have to become relevant = liquidity
07:18 taub once you're relevant you can jack up the fees becuse people will pay for liquidity
07:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8630 @ 0.00011988 = 1.0346 BTC [-] {19}
07:19 mircea_popescu that sounds well stupid.
07:19 taub ?
07:19 taub volume wise they overtook mtgox
07:20 taub because they have 0% fees right now
07:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67 = 2.01 BTC [-]
07:27 mircea_popescu taub this jacking up is what ebay did for instance
07:27 mircea_popescu it's just bad business.
07:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00571 = 0.1199 BTC [-]
07:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4250 @ 0.000159 = 0.6758 BTC [+]
07:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1382 @ 0.00200035 = 2.7645 BTC [-] {5}
07:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
07:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 75 @ 0.0480095 = 3.6007 BTC [-] {7}
07:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
07:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5210 @ 0.00162311 = 8.4564 BTC [-] {12}
07:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00574999 = 1.725 BTC [+] {2}
07:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 585 @ 0.04501336 = 26.3328 BTC [-] {8}
07:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63000666 = 1.89 BTC [-] {3}
07:45 taub oh jackig up, yea but i mean compared to it being at zero right now
07:45 taub they establish themselves as big players by letting trading happen for free
07:46 taub then they can start charging (hopefully modest) rates
07:50 bitesak_ competing on price is not a good indicator.
07:54 mircea_popescu taub a ok. yeah, it's all a quest to respect your market basically.
07:55 mircea_popescu bitesak_ well to a degree their market is a commodified or at least commodifiable one, so price competition will be a part.
08:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
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08:15 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/
08:15 ozbot The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:18 random_cat_ hey, mircea_popescu
08:18 mircea_popescu hey r.
08:18 random_cat_ have you recently renewed a claim of 'scammer' on icbit?
08:19 mircea_popescu i've recently been arguing with idiots coming in here to derp.
08:19 mircea_popescu i have no idea wtf tycho is doing these days, haven't used the thing in a year.
08:21 random_cat_ i participate there. a claim was made that you had never backed off from 'scammer' to 'maybe not a scammer' (or perhaps the claim was stronger... that you had reasserted the whole thing was a fraud)
08:21 mircea_popescu the whole thing is suspicious.
08:21 mircea_popescu it is factual the site was run as a scam in 2012.
08:22 mircea_popescu it is also factual the admins never admitted wrongdoing, but changed their code at that time.
08:22 mircea_popescu whether they have since reverted or not to the scammy model is anyone's guess.
08:23 random_cat_ i'm dubious on 'factual' but in agreement on 'suspicious'
08:23 mircea_popescu that guess will have to be made by the anyone, rather than simply be defaulted by anon shills pushing their "4 mo experience"
08:23 firedrops mircea_popescu, that torrent hashing protocol idea.... as far as Ideas go, it's excellent. I can't comment on practicallity. but I love the idea.
08:23 mircea_popescu random_cat_ well this is exactly what i'm saying. i'm doing more in terms of offering data and less in terms of offering judgements. even if i do some of the former.
08:24 mircea_popescu firedrops im really curious what the F would be. i can't think of anything, even if perhaps some sort of pailler
08:24 random_cat_ has ukto shown face about here recently (too lazy to scroll back)?
08:24 mircea_popescu paillier*
08:24 mircea_popescu ;;seen ukto
08:24 gribble ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Ukto> nah, not right.
08:25 random_cat_ ty ;)
08:25 firedrops just sent the article to a close friend/cmptr scientist guy.. trying to get him to start his own project... he's too smart to work for ATT.
08:25 taub mircea_popescu: i dont get whats the point of hashing each piece of the torrent
08:25 mircea_popescu firedrops not sure if there's money in this, but it definitely is fame.
08:25 random_cat_ i fear ima get burnt on his shutdown
08:25 firedrops ;;ticker
08:25 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 305.14485, Best ask: 305.67747, Bid-ask spread: 0.53262, Last trade: 305.11000, 24 hour volume: 73065.75169825, 24 hour low: 256.60000, 24 hour high: 321.51736, 24 hour vwap: 286.03216
08:25 firedrops well shit
08:26 firedrops it broke $300
08:26 taub on mtgox
08:26 taub that means not much
08:26 random_cat_ good morning
08:26 taub btce and bitstamp both below 280
08:26 taub 290~
08:26 taub mtgox high today 320 lel
08:26 firedrops anyone have a diagnosis for why gox is so high? I haven't touched them in months..
08:27 taub i'd say withdrawl problems, people leaving for another exchange etc
08:27 random_cat_ yeah, well... they both saw 290
08:27 firedrops oh yeah, forgot about them holding ppls money.. dur.
08:27 random_cat_ 3 points isn't worth the arb
08:27 chatcart ;;market buy 20000
08:27 gribble This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16465.37 bitcoins, for a total of 6675396989.6532 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 191.9064 seconds
08:27 taub btcn stopped updating at bitcoincharts.com heh
08:28 truffles hi taub, when do u think the crash will begin?
08:28 taub when it happens
08:28 random_cat_ not a moment sooner?
08:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
08:28 taub no:>
08:29 random_cat damn. was hoping for some hft action :D
08:29 mircea_popescu firedrops because it doesn't actually pay out fiat.
08:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
08:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
08:41 kakobrekla it pays alright
08:41 kakobrekla but they charge 5%
08:41 kakobrekla to make it work.
08:43 random_cat ;;market sell 20000
08:43 gribble A market order to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 5025556.4619 USD and would take the last price down to 210.9971 USD, resulting in an average price of 251.2778 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
08:46 firedrops who has the best gold for btc service?
08:50 random_cat i'll reccommend me for the occasional trade; what is your locale, firedrops?
08:50 random_cat (my record of gold trades for btc consists of 0 btc of 0 g of gold)
08:51 ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/statuses/398419939788619776
08:51 ozbot Twitter / BitcoinOracle: parabolic rise expected | #bitcoin
08:52 random_cat expected?
08:52 kleeck Well if he says so...
08:57 mircea_popescu incidentally, if anyone has a reddit account be a sweetheart and put that torrent article up
08:57 mircea_popescu you never know where the genius kid with the f function springs up
08:57 kleeck Which article is that?
08:58 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-color-of-gray/
08:58 ozbot The color of gray pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:59 truffles useful articles obv
09:02 mircea_popescu look at that, ecb cut rates.
09:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32500001 BTC [-]
09:03 mircea_popescu kakobrekla was your panacea thing long eur ?
09:04 kakobrekla nope
09:05 nubbins` hey folks
09:05 mircea_popescu lucky!
09:05 nubbins` great day to hold btc
09:05 nubbins` innit?
09:05 truffles hi, nope
09:06 kakobrekla id argue it smart
09:06 kakobrekla its*
09:06 mircea_popescu nubbins` i dunno man. maybe for the people in the bitcoin top 500 it would be, but alas poor us...
09:06 nubbins` mircea_popescu: oh, you!
09:06 mircea_popescu kakobrekla if you actually saw that one coming you're a better fx trader than me
09:06 mircea_popescu course im not much of one, jus' sayin'.
09:06 kakobrekla well in a sense the machine did.
09:07 mircea_popescu pretty cool.
09:12 nubbins` "Suppose your computer is infected with a worm or virus. You want to disinfect it. What do you do? You boot it up from original write-protected install media. Sure, you have a copy of the operating system on the drive already, but you can't use that copy - it's the wrong Colour."
09:13 mircea_popescu it's a good write-up.
09:13 nubbins` yeah, it actually is. however, correct me if i'm wrong, but if you've got a virus, your OS is not only the wrong colour, but also consists of different bits
09:14 mircea_popescu the latter is not trivial to verify.
09:14 nubbins` oh goodness no
09:14 nubbins` better OS analogy would be "geniune" windows vs. a pirated version, perhaps
09:15 nubbins` genuine = correct color
09:15 joecool genuine™
09:15 nubbins` a friend of mine recently started a CS degree, and posted about that Paranoia game last week
09:15 truffles he's usually wrong about everything : D
09:16 truffles obv feels knows everything though
09:18 nubbins` "Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week."
09:18 nubbins` ^ that must burn
09:18 kleeck haha
09:22 nubbins` so, while i'm glad that putting a ton of btc into casascius coins prevented me from foolishly gambling them on "investments", i'm increasingly wary of their ability to hold their btc value long-term
09:23 mircea_popescu well the truth is that other than that article he mostly writes crud
09:24 mircea_popescu japanese fonts and w/e.
09:24 nubbins` oh, lame
09:25 nubbins` although the roman glyphs in Hiragino Kaku Gothic Std are particularly attractive
09:26 mircea_popescu also in the news, saudi arabia nao has nuclear weapons
09:26 mircea_popescu curious if the us is going to start an invasion now >D
09:27 nubbins` you're not curious about that at all ;)
09:28 mircea_popescu you're not going to tell me that the rogue us government has actually been lieing about its motives all along
09:28 KRS-1 Can someone recommend a good guide for me so I can trade cash for BTC with someone I don't know? I want to go through some kind of intermediary like escrow.
09:28 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOmBOgbhfiY
09:28 ozbot saudi skaters - YouTube
09:28 nubbins` ^ turn down volume before clicking
09:29 mircea_popescu KRS-1 trading, in person you mean ?
09:29 KRS-1 no..i'm on one side of the US, this other fellow from IRC is on the other side.
09:30 mircea_popescu well, usually you check the wot.
09:30 KRS-1 $5K max probably.
09:30 KRS-1 I was thinking of that but have no idea how to use it..i understand its 3 way gpg
09:30 nubbins` eh, not so much
09:30 mircea_popescu KRS-1 you go like this :
09:30 mircea_popescu ;;ident mircea_popescu
09:30 gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
09:31 joecool nubbins`: i think its just saudis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiK7ciFttFI
09:31 mircea_popescu then once they identify you can gettrust mircea_popescu
09:31 joecool !ident mircea_popescu
09:31 KRS-1 hmm ok im reading the guide
09:31 joecool ;;ident mircea_popescu
09:31 gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
09:31 joecool ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
09:31 gribble User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently not authenticated.
09:31 kakobrekla that is if you find someone in the otc you can deal with in the first place
09:32 nubbins` ^
09:32 kakobrekla offerings are not too abundant imo
09:32 nubbins` nah
09:32 KRS-1 I have already found someone
09:32 nubbins` lot of children trading lunch money
09:33 KRS-1 not registered in wot
09:33 mircea_popescu well then i would say you haven't found someone.
09:33 nubbins` heh
09:33 KRS-1 maybe or it means he hasnt registered like i havent yet either
09:33 nubbins` maybe
09:33 nubbins` either way
09:34 kakobrekla thats as good as nothing
09:34 joecool <nubbins`> lot of children trading lunch money < danieldaniel?
09:34 nubbins` you really gonna trust them with $5k?
09:34 KRS-1 is this just backed up by ratings? nothing to enforce a fair trade?
09:34 mircea_popescu maybe this is a good time to get registered then.
09:34 joecool it's not lunch money, that 14 year old steals his parents CC's
09:34 nubbins` joecool: can't keep track of them all. probably.
09:34 mircea_popescu KRS-1 well, you can ask someone you trust to escrow for you, but i dunno who would want to escrow fiat.
09:34 KRS-1 thought there was a 3 way gpg key that keeps everything locked up until mutual agreement has been made
09:34 nubbins` joecool: i actually remember that guy's nick, he posted "i have come to the realization that i am poor" or something yesterday
09:34 nubbins` i lel'd
09:34 nubbins` of course you're poor, you're a child
09:34 joecool well he's 14
09:35 KRS-1 ok thanks guys for your input i'm sure i'll figure something out
09:35 nubbins` KRS-1: i believe there is some sort of escrow-type transaction you can do if you involve a third party. not sure the details, and then you've gotta trust the escrow as well
09:36 joecool nubbins`: the best was when he loaned money to a heroin addict :)
09:36 nubbins` "loaned"
09:36 kakobrekla i wonder if satoshi square can provide over 100btc volume
09:36 joecool yeah i dunno what's more wrong with that picture
09:36 KRS-1 damn heh BTC is in dire need of money services
09:36 truffles nubbins` tldr?
09:36 mircea_popescu KRS-1 the first step would be, of course, to get in the wot already.
09:37 nubbins` inorite?
09:37 mircea_popescu kakobrekla mjr's thing ?
09:37 kakobrekla yea
09:37 KRS-1 in progress
09:37 mircea_popescu i haven't heard anything of it for a while
09:37 mircea_popescu is it flash in the pan mode ?
09:37 kakobrekla dunno
09:40 truffles nm
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6275 = 2.51 BTC [-] {2}
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 141 @ 0.00589999 = 0.8319 BTC [+] {2}
09:47 nubbins` hm, anyone ever use .par files before?
09:47 nubbins` (in the context of repairing bad .rar files)
09:48 pankkake a long time ago. something isn't working?
09:50 firedrops newsbin used to unpar them for me. Should be a single. .RAR in there somewhere.
09:50 firedrops try that one?
09:50 firedrops or repair the failing .par
09:52 joecool par2repair derp.par2
09:52 joecool p.simple
09:52 pankkake " Long-term value of one bitcoin (10 years) " => someone's doing a 10 year bet? that's also betting bitbet will be around in 10 years :)
09:52 joecool it'll tell you if you have enough parity to do it
09:54 nubbins` oh, i'm not having any problems
09:54 nubbins` was just wondering if one could reconstruct a rar using ONLY pars
09:54 truffles joecool can they temp close and reopen?
09:54 nubbins` can't find any solid info on the limitations in this regard
09:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
09:55 KRS-1 <gribble> Request successful for user KRS-1
09:55 nubbins` implication being that parity-checks generally aren't considered to infringe on copyrights
09:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1304 @ 0.00109214 = 1.4242 BTC [-] {10}
09:57 thestringpuller ;;seen smickles
09:57 gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 20 hours, 46 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg
09:57 pankkake in theory yes, you can brute force anything (ask miners!)
09:57 pankkake I guess you could find a practical enough ratio of missing data
09:58 pankkake it would be very expensive to inspect files
09:58 nubbins` well, i mean, in general you need something to check parity against, y'know?
09:59 nubbins` like, if you had one rar out of 100 and you had 99 pars, would you be able to reconstruct everything?
09:59 pankkake I don't know the details enough but I would think not
10:00 nubbins` yeah. really hard to find concrete info on the limitations
10:01 kakobrekla speaking of that 10 year bet, the bets are limited to 1 year afaik, the bet shall not pass!
10:02 nubbins` YOU SHALL NOT PASS
10:02 pankkake I thought so. I tried to create some "in 2014" bets but the interface wouldn't let me
10:02 pankkake though it was only the js, I didn't try to submit
10:03 kakobrekla everything is checked by mods so even if it goes through...
10:03 pankkake so I'll wait to create those :)
10:03 pankkake yeah, but I was surprised it wasn't rejected for that reason
10:03 kakobrekla wait?
10:03 kakobrekla me too!
10:04 pankkake in other news my bitbet performance has quickly dropped :( perhaps I could count out my "hedge" bets but…
10:05 kakobrekla i was thinking
10:05 kakobrekla someone should make some "track this person" interfuck
10:05 nubbins` so we took these idiots to court, and they lost, but when i was trying to file an order with the sheriff's office today, i learned that three of them just refused delivery of the court decision, so now i have to wait until some other sort of deadline has passed
10:05 nubbins` it never ends
10:05 kakobrekla so you find someone who makes good bets and just copy the motherfucker
10:05 KRS-1 <gribble> Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user KRS-1
10:05 pankkake well I do that now with the stats
10:05 nubbins` ;;gettrust KRS-1
10:05 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask KRS-1!~chris@38.103.148.98. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user KRS-1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=KRS-1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=KRS-1 | Rated since: never
10:06 nubbins` would not trade with
10:06 KRS-1 hah
10:06 nubbins` ;)
10:06 KRS-1 I have candy
10:06 nubbins` is that a euphemism?
10:06 truffles r u sharing?
10:06 pankkake on one bet I had a "omg who is stupid enough to bet this" moment, clicked stats, and the guy was losing most of his bet, so… :)
10:06 truffles oh
10:06 pankkake bets
10:07 kakobrekla social betting at its finest
10:07 kakobrekla or socially assisted
10:07 nubbins` "click here to share your poor decisions with friends"
10:07 kakobrekla to be more exact
10:07 kakobrekla lol
10:07 kakobrekla well i did found some heavy earners
10:08 kakobrekla there are a few.
10:08 nubbins` yeah, some of the guys betting on sports know what they're doing
10:08 nubbins` which reminds me, "casino bitcoin" is doing another IPO on havelock this coming monday
10:08 KRS-1 ^^ attractive
10:08 kakobrekla another ?
10:09 nubbins` yeah
10:09 KRS-1 3 more coming i think too
10:09 nubbins` cheaper than the first
10:09 nubbins` pretty lelly
10:09 kakobrekla lol
10:09 pankkake kakobrekla: there is http://predictionbook.com/
10:09 kakobrekla was dat
10:09 pankkake some sort of social betting
10:10 kakobrekla i dont understand the site
10:10 kakobrekla and it want me to register
10:10 kakobrekla fu.
10:10 pankkake the guys using it love bets in general (lesswrong/overcomingbias community)
10:10 pankkake actually I told one of them about bitbet!
10:10 nubbins` i think its like bitbet
10:11 nubbins` but instead of winning money
10:11 nubbins` you win internet points
10:11 pankkake well you have to register, because there would be no shame in losing otherwise
10:12 kakobrekla well its seems more dead than bitbet
10:13 kakobrekla not that bb is dead in any way
10:14 pankkake "Bitcoin without Satoshi is like Apple without Jobs" :|
10:14 kakobrekla theres 2 services that could be built on top of it
10:14 pankkake ?
10:14 kakobrekla im saying this here cause i know theres a bunch of you people here that can code and do nothing
10:14 nubbins` <--
10:15 uglux naah bitcoin is paypal without jobs :>
10:15 pankkake eh :)
10:15 pankkake what on top of what?
10:15 kakobrekla nubbins` you said you are out of it
10:15 kakobrekla on top of bb
10:15 nubbins` yes, however, i *can* code ;)
10:15 nubbins` got promoted to senior programmer/analyst 6 months before i retired!
10:16 Namworld Did you retire because you were getting old or because of BTC?
10:16 pankkake I can code but have daily headaches :/ though finally made some progress today… at least I hope
10:16 nubbins` because it was no fun and each morning it was a struggle to get out of bed and face the day
10:17 joecool baw
10:17 nubbins` anti-baw, actually
10:17 nubbins` i sucked it up and quit, never been happier.
10:17 pankkake I like programming, but not for other people
10:17 nubbins` although technically we're all getting old
10:18 nubbins` aren't we?
10:20 kakobrekla well, that reassuring http://bitbet.us/bet/591/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-750-usd/
10:20 pankkake :o
10:21 dexX7 lol :D
10:21 pankkake so what kind of services are you thinking of, or is it a secret? :p
10:21 kakobrekla not a secreat at all, i just told you about one
10:21 dexX7 http://bitbet.us/bet/594/bitcoin-will-hit-300-before-christmas/ << done aalready
10:21 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin will hit $300 before Christmas
10:22 kakobrekla make a site when one can login, deposit coins and set the output addresses that he wants to follow with bets
10:22 kakobrekla then you do the magic and take a cut
10:22 kakobrekla the other is you can make a maket where people sell or buy their positions from the bets table
10:22 kakobrekla also take a cut.
10:23 pankkake ooh, ok. I didn't understand it that way :)
10:23 kakobrekla in the second case, you just make it so they use winning address that you provide to them
10:23 kakobrekla once the bet is confirmed you can accredit it to their account on your site
10:24 kakobrekla simple really.
10:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00224945 = 0.198 BTC [+]
10:33 nubbins` lel @ that 750usd bet
10:33 nubbins` imagine
10:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 494 @ 0.00109 = 0.5385 BTC [-]
10:40 nubbins` i got another "you just sold a bunch of shit for below cost" email from coingig.
10:40 nubbins` you'd think that for a "sell shit for btc" website, they'd, you know, STORE THE PRICE OF ITEMS IN BTC
10:40 kakobrekla what is coin gig
10:40 nubbins` it's like bitmit, but shitty
10:40 nubbins` well. shittier
10:41 nubbins` you set item price at, say, 1 btc
10:41 nubbins` it saves the current usd equivalent of 1 btc
10:41 nubbins` and then auto-adjusts the btc price as the rate changes
10:41 bitesak_ kakobrekla: what you hinted at, is it such as described here: http://trilema.com/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/#comment-92136 ?
10:42 the20year1 but bitcoin is what matters, who cares about USD?
10:42 jurov <mircea_popescu> jurov the start-up times are a legitimate problem tho, and so was the fact it took two weeks to sync a year ago. <<< yes and fixing that was reasonable i don't think they should be riced further to detriment of other stuff.
10:43 jurov *but i don't think
10:44 kakobrekla bitesak_ he describes a market maker which defo should help with such setup i described
10:45 bitesak_ indeed, specifically you are pointing to the ability of getting out of your bet before settlement?
10:46 kakobrekla well the ability to trade a position
10:46 kakobrekla mening one can get out early or get in late
10:54 firedrops pardon my ignorance, but isn't tradehill shutterred right now? where would one hedge with bitbet currently?
10:54 kakobrekla tradehill, thats kenna scammy exchange
10:54 kakobrekla not a betting site
10:54 kakobrekla or did he switch to something else again
10:54 firedrops so where do you trade contracts?
10:55 the20year1 newspapers
10:55 kakobrekla obvioulsy on the PREMIER predictions market predictious.com
10:55 kakobrekla lol.
10:55 firedrops basically, does that trilema article system work against a tradehill alternative?
10:56 firedrops ha, I haven't investiaged, but your attitude tells me they are not premier :)
10:56 kakobrekla firedrops tradehill is like mtgox, bitstamp...
10:56 kakobrekla kinda thing.
10:56 kakobrekla not a betting site
10:56 kakobrekla but yeah intrade is down
10:56 kakobrekla im not aware of good alternatives
10:56 kakobrekla except bb.
10:58 firedrops thanks kako, a bunch of forums ppl say cryptoexchange...
10:58 kakobrekla cryptoexchange?
10:58 kakobrekla what about them
10:59 firedrops good question, their site won't load... anywho. bitbet for now. unless someone knows a tradehill alternative?
11:00 kakobrekla ok for the third time, bitbet doesnt do what tradehill does
11:00 kakobrekla for that matter i dunno if tradehill even does anything
11:00 kakobrekla but they are suppose to be btc/usd exchange
11:00 kakobrekla bitbet is a betting site
11:00 kakobrekla nothing to do with dollars
11:01 firedrops gotcha.
11:01 kakobrekla if you are buying or selling btc - bitbet will do you no good
11:01 firedrops nope, I was trying to folow that comment from MP on trilema...
11:01 kakobrekla if you are betting on stuff, tradehill or whatever site will not do you any good
11:01 firedrops about hedging..
11:02 kakobrekla but he is not talking about heding btcusd
11:02 kakobrekla you could use mpex options for that
11:02 firedrops o yeah.
11:02 imsaguy thank you
11:02 imsaguy because if you didn't, I was about to.
11:03 imsaguy holy balls have people gone stupid.
11:03 firedrops that's would assume knowledge at some point...
11:03 kakobrekla holly balls have i gone patient.
11:04 kakobrekla since teh forum banned me i reckon
11:04 firedrops that too, thanks btw.
11:04 kakobrekla i get less pissy.
11:08 imsaguy why'd you get banned?
11:08 imsaguy scammer?
11:08 imsaguy oh wait, they don't ban the scammers
11:08 imsaguy just label them and let them keep coming back
11:08 imsaguy why'd they ban you?
11:09 pankkake for having a slanderous soul
11:10 kakobrekla imsaguy they dont ban nor tag them anymore
11:10 kakobrekla just honest ppl liek me!
11:12 kakobrekla i pissed the morning piss on garr for a week and he gets all butthurt and calls his shill to the rescue. the rest is clear.
11:12 imsaguy what?
11:12 imsaguy you got banned for calling someone out?
11:13 kakobrekla yea
11:13 imsaguy please have a link handy
11:13 imsaguy I gotta read this
11:13 kakobrekla its, as tortila would say, de-leeted
11:13 imsaguy woah
11:13 imsaguy so they banned you and didn't keep the thread?
11:13 kakobrekla it was in his cog thread
11:13 kakobrekla and yes i was deleted
11:13 imsaguy heh
11:13 kakobrekla and banned
11:13 imsaguy oh wel
11:14 pankkake you were the cog in the machine!
11:14 kakobrekla hehe
11:14 imsaguy what was garr's deal?
11:14 kakobrekla shill
11:14 kakobrekla selfshill
11:14 kakobrekla selfacutionshill
11:14 kakobrekla also general preorder scamishness
11:15 kakobrekla i just hate all the fuckin pretending.
11:15 imsaguy awesome
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00082714 = 4.4252 BTC [+]
11:29 chaang-noi #mtgox is on fire... cant get out fiat, cant get out BTC cuz double spends... lol
11:30 chaang-noi kako you got banned too?
11:31 chaang-noi kakobrekla you got banned from bitcointalk.org?
11:34 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244967.msg3510410#msg3510410
11:34 ozbot [Photo] First of 2013 Casascius Silver Coins Now Available For Sale
11:34 nubbins` customer service win
11:35 nubbins` i hate to put the screws to the guy, but it's gotten ridiculous
11:36 chaang-noi i have one of them rolls :)
11:36 nubbins` i'll sell you some of mine for the right price ;)
11:36 chaang-noi im going to start selling some of my casasicus stuff... too much in it
11:37 nubbins` yeah, ditto
11:37 chaang-noi i have over 15400 btc in them all
11:37 nubbins` gotta re-balance
11:37 chaang-noi i mean 1500
11:37 nubbins` the buy market is pretty thin, they're high-ticket items in terms of fiat
11:37 chaang-noi yeah
11:38 chaang-noi im not in a hurry
11:38 dexX7 it's christmas soon, such things are wonderful gifts
11:38 nubbins` yeah, no sense selling at a loss or anything like that
11:38 nubbins` best offers i've gotten so far are like 1% over face value
11:38 nubbins` clowns
11:38 chaang-noi lol
11:39 nubbins` i peeled the holo off one just to aggravate people in -otc ;p
11:39 dexX7 lol you're mean
11:40 nubbins` so is offering FV for a coin
11:40 dexX7 do you have casacius silver coins and if so, for what price do you sell them?
11:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1253 BTC [-]
11:41 nubbins` yes i do, and it depends on the coin
11:41 nubbins` the rare ones, i generally don't even bother giving people quotes
11:41 kakobrekla yes chaang-noi
11:42 chaang-noi kako for how long?
11:42 kakobrekla 2 months
11:42 chaang-noi even i got un banned
11:42 chaang-noi oh harsh
11:42 chaang-noi not that you really post much there
11:42 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0H6R7xRytk
11:42 ozbot forever - YouTube
11:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.32000002 BTC [-]
11:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12520001 BTC [-]
11:43 kakobrekla the thing is someone from the mods told me that badbear was planning a ban attack
11:43 kleeck .d
11:43 ozbot 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 1724 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.6390% in 10d 22h 3m 34s
11:43 kakobrekla then i pmed badbear and sent him to fuck off
11:43 kakobrekla and then he also got all butthurt
11:43 chaang-noi lol
11:43 kakobrekla and new thread was in the mod section "who is leaking this shit"
11:43 chaang-noi hahaha
11:43 kakobrekla cause i caused him great pain while he was just doing his duties
11:43 kakobrekla and this is unacceptable!
11:44 kakobrekla fucktard.
11:44 chaang-noi as you know i trolled theymos
11:44 chaang-noi got banned
11:44 chaang-noi meh
11:45 kakobrekla apparently one must poses just the right amounts of scam and shil to be able to sustain on the forum
11:45 kakobrekla my amounts are off.
11:45 nubbins` hm
11:45 nubbins` who owns gribble?
11:46 kakobrekla nanotube
11:46 nubbins` ;;gettrust nubbins`
11:46 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~nubbins`@stjhnf0148w-142134201245.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=nubbins` | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins` | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
11:46 nubbins` neither of those 2 links is correct
11:46 nubbins` the ` fucks it up
11:46 joecool gj
11:46 nubbins` thanks D:
11:46 joecool ` is the mark of the scammer on OTC
11:46 joecool how much shit did they give you so far? :)
11:46 nubbins` all the shit
11:47 kakobrekla and by shit he means coins.
11:47 nubbins` besides, 'mark of the beast' or not, the functionality is obv broken
11:48 kakobrekla links work for me
11:48 nubbins` ...hm
11:48 nubbins` oh, it's my client doing that, isn't it
11:49 nubbins` it's highlighted up to the `
11:49 nubbins` and then breaks
11:50 imsaguy then use ""
11:50 imsaguy ;;gettrust "nubbins`" imsaguy
11:50 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user imsaguy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins`&dest=imsaguy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=imsaguy | Rated since: Tue Aug 2 19:24:18 2011
11:50 kakobrekla nubbins` cas giving you trouble i see
11:51 nubbins` customer service fail
11:51 nubbins` i hate to call people out publicly, up to the point where i don't hate it at all, y'know what i mean?
11:51 kakobrekla myea
11:52 kakobrekla too bad the whole coin thingy is pointless
11:52 nubbins` well, y'know. tell me that 4 months ago :P
11:52 kakobrekla someone here prolly did.
11:52 nubbins` ;;tslb
11:52 gribble Time since last block: 35 minutes and 26 seconds
11:52 imsaguy seriously, his prices are crazy
11:53 imsaguy and anyone that has bought them is... dumb.
11:53 nubbins` go fuck yourself
11:54 imsaguy thank you for confirming my statement.
11:54 nubbins` i'm a coin collector; i collect coins
11:54 imsaguy they aren't coins
11:54 imsaguy do you collect car wash tokens?
11:54 pankkake do you have buttcoins?
11:54 imsaguy thats what they are.
11:55 nubbins` imsaguy: i do, indeed, collect tokens
11:55 imsaguy do you collect rocks?
11:55 imsaguy how about leaves?
11:55 imsaguy stds?
11:55 nubbins` ooo lel you got me!
11:56 imsaguy let me guess, you also collected beany babies and pogs
11:56 nubbins` haha
11:57 nubbins` don't stop
11:57 imsaguy you're the tard that's collecting, not me
11:57 nubbins` you got me again
11:57 nubbins` man, words hurt ;(
11:58 nubbins` such overwhelming feelings of shame
11:58 nubbins` if only i'd asked some random dickhead for advice!
11:59 nubbins` imsaguy: mind if i send you a PM the next time i need advice on something? you obv know what you're doing
11:59 pankkake are you a hoarder too?
11:59 pankkake I have the hoarder/collector bug
11:59 pankkake though I mostly collect CDs
12:00 nubbins` nah, i do a big purge every few years
12:00 nubbins` fresh start
12:02 nubbins` imsaguy: seriously, you'd be a great mentor
12:03 nubbins` your words imply deep wisdom and knowledge
12:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00082907 = 7.4616 BTC [+] {2}
12:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108802 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2}
12:09 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg3508814#msg3508814
12:09 ozbot Official CaVirtex.com Thread
12:09 nubbins` no withdrawing BTC from virtex
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-]
12:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.12259 = 0.3678 BTC [-]
12:14 nubbins` ^ at that rate, CFIG's second IPO on monday is gonna be a tough sell
12:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.625 = 1.25 BTC [-]
12:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00599905 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}
12:16 pankkake CFIG is doing a second IPO?
12:16 nubbins` yes
12:16 pankkake perhaps you mean CBTC
12:17 nubbins` sorry, that's right
12:17 nubbins` so many acronyms
12:17 kakobrekla hey i want to do some ipos too!
12:17 pankkake SMA
12:17 nubbins` kakobrekla: go ahead!
12:17 nubbins` SPO
12:17 nubbins` subsequent public offering
12:18 kakobrekla ok ill ipo AIPOC
12:18 kakobrekla amazing ipo company, that is.
12:18 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
12:18 nubbins` the "c" could stand for consulting
12:18 nubbins` and you just give people advice about IPOs
12:19 kakobrekla like anyone would listen
12:19 imsaguy stupid.
12:19 nubbins` well, that's the thing about advice
12:24 pankkake http://activelydisengaged.com/comic/actively-disengaged-96-theory-practice/
12:24 ozbot Actively Disengaged #96 – Theory In Practice | Actively Disengaged
12:25 kakobrekla eh?
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.006 = 0.162 BTC [+]
12:31 kakobrekla i dont find that comic site funny at all
12:35 nubbins` i did the same D:
12:36 nubbins` go (or baduk as i was introduced to it) is fun, but nobody knows how to play
12:36 kakobrekla i played for a while
12:36 asciilifeform i do.
12:37 kakobrekla was even in the shop looking for a physical version
12:37 kakobrekla and they didnt have it
12:37 kakobrekla then i kinda forgot about it
12:37 nubbins` ah
12:38 nubbins` you need good pieces, plastic won't do
12:38 kakobrekla that was like 5years+ ago
12:38 nubbins` i've got a set of polished stone ones, they weigh a ton
12:38 kakobrekla but yeah noone i know in RL plays it
12:38 nubbins` very satisfying "clack" when you slap em down
12:39 mod6 ;;tslb
12:39 gribble Time since last block: 46 minutes and 13 seconds
12:39 nubbins` oh my
12:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2489 @ 0.00109499 = 2.7254 BTC [+]
12:40 kakobrekla nah
12:40 kakobrekla bitbet says 3min
12:40 nubbins` blockchain.info says 47
12:40 nubbins` i guess that's what gribs checks
12:40 kakobrekla 5 block behind
12:40 pankkake it's missing 5 blocks
12:40 pankkake yesterday it was lagging too
12:41 nubbins` tsk tsk
12:41 nubbins` okay, i need to burn some screens, bbl
12:41 pankkake looks like there was an orphaned block
12:41 nubbins` oh and the mailman just dropped off a money order from one of the deadbeats, so woo!
12:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1361 @ 0.00109499 = 1.4903 BTC [+]
12:53 firedrops pircea_momescu, you seems familiar, yet foreign...
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12:53 pircea_momescu firedrops lurk moar !
12:54 firedrops pircea_momescu
12:54 pircea_momescu firedrops lurk moar !
12:54 nubbins` pircea_momescu
12:54 pircea_momescu nubbins` lurk moar !
12:54 nubbins` lel
12:54 firedrops loverly
12:54 nubbins` ;;echo pircea_momescu
12:54 gribble pircea_momescu
12:54 pircea_momescu gribble lurk moar !
13:01 pankkake ah you found the last feature
13:01 pankkake though I shouldn't make it reply without a question
13:04 nubbins` good call
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13:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 495 @ 0.00109499 = 0.542 BTC [+]
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13:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 14 @ 0.12373741 = 1.7323 BTC [+] {4}
13:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
13:59 jimmybob Active mining to bring 50th online tommrow. buy buy buy!!!!!
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.006 = 0.138 BTC [-] {3}
13:59 kakobrekla wrong chan dude, #bitcoin-pump is for you
14:00 KRS-1 lol wtf
14:00 KRS-1 pircea_momescu looks familiary but I can't quite place it..
14:00 pircea_momescu KRS-1 lurk moar !
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1024 @ 0.00108765 = 1.1138 BTC [-] {2}
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1953 @ 0.00108626 = 2.1215 BTC [-] {2}
14:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.006 = 0.186 BTC [-] {2}
14:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
14:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1489 BTC [+]
14:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00082653 = 0.6612 BTC [-]
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14:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00082605 = 24.5337 BTC [-] {3}
14:57 Rts Can anyone tell me - is it possible for round eyes to invest in 796??
14:57 assbot 123!
14:58 mircea_popescu Rts what ?
15:00 joecool chinese?
15:00 Rts my apologies. I mean, is it possible for westerners to acquire shares of 796.com?
15:00 assbot 123!
15:00 kleeck LOL
15:00 kleeck "Round eyes"
15:00 pankkake lol
15:01 Rts :D
15:01 joecool round eyes do not zerg rush
15:01 pankkake it's not korean
15:01 joecool chinese are IRL zerg rushers
15:01 joecool see Great Wall
15:02 Rts or BTC
15:02 Rts or BTC
15:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 44494 @ 0.00010435 = 4.6429 BTC [-] {18}
15:02 joecool do we have any chinese BTC knockoff yet?
15:02 mircea_popescu joecool ltc.
15:03 joecool didn't think that was distinctly chinese
15:03 mircea_popescu Rts is 796 that yet-another-scammy-exchange-wannabe ?
15:03 assbot 123!
15:04 Rts I believe so, that _Chinese_ wannabe
15:05 mircea_popescu inasmuch as it even sports a us flag, i;m sure it's an equal opportunity fleecer, go ahead.
15:08 Rts No, I think it bars USers in the Prospectus
15:10 mircea_popescu so they went to the trouble of making a us version just for nyah-nyah ? that's comedy.
15:12 the20year1 because baring investors works like that
15:14 mircea_popescu anyway, this has been useful in that next time i'm in a bar going to approach a chick it'll be all "hey, roundeyes! fancy a drink ?"
15:14 mircea_popescu it's too weird not to work.
15:16 firedrops okay ppl. I have a coinbr account, HIM account, and finally I have 2btc. yes TWO! <--ballin'.
15:16 firedrops but srsly, what is best investment currently?
15:16 the20year1 rentalstarter
15:16 the20year1 !
15:17 firedrops holy crap I missed rentalstarter entirely.... is it actually a good investment? didn't bitfunder just shutter?
15:18 the20year1 I like it, granted with BF closing i'm not sure what we're going to do
15:18 the20year1 moreso if we want to take on more investments
15:18 mircea_popescu the20year1 is it yours ?
15:18 the20year1 Yes
15:19 mircea_popescu what's the elevator speech of it /
15:19 the20year1 Not familiar with the term
15:19 the20year1 Googling it
15:20 bubbalicious elevator speech: he is renting out houses in the midwest..
15:20 mircea_popescu ok. tell me what it is in 100 words sort of thing
15:20 the20year1 Pitch - We buy property, fix it up and rent it out. Then we refinance via low interest loans and move onto new properties. All properties have to have 20% ROI prior to leverage.
15:20 the20year1 Started off with $90k in funding via bitfunder, now have about $185k in assets
15:20 bubbalicious roi in USD..
15:20 mircea_popescu when did you start ?
15:20 the20year1 July
15:20 firedrops hard to redo a house in btc
15:20 firedrops so you convert all to fiat iimmediately?
15:20 mircea_popescu so basically in july you were worth 900 btc and now you're worth 900 btc ?
15:21 mircea_popescu o no my bad. it's not 200, it's 300. you're now woprth 600 btc.
15:21 the20year1 We convert most of it
15:21 firedrops ^
15:21 mircea_popescu but you can appreciate the point, yes ?
15:21 the20year1 Some people want USD denominated projects to hedge against BTC voatility
15:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00658759 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {4}
15:21 the20year1 Sure, and that's the currency risk as always
15:21 mircea_popescu right. well, you're a brave man.
15:22 mircea_popescu i discouraged various similar ventures with the simple fx argument. imo it's yet too soon, even if the business is in principle sound.
15:22 mircea_popescu in that you're a brave man. see you survive a coupla years somehow.
15:22 the20year1 Why wouldn't I survive?
15:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 15 @ 0.00680945 = 0.1021 BTC [+] {3}
15:23 mircea_popescu because it is tough to make 100% returns on your work only to have -50% returns in your accounting unit
15:23 mircea_popescu through no fault of your own.
15:23 the20year1 My life doesn't depend on BTC fluxuations, nor does the business. If BTC outperforms the company, then the investors get less of a return, if the company outperforms BTC then they're even happier. Regardless for non-cryptos, we'll be outperforming just about everything
15:23 mircea_popescu other people believed their life doesn't depend on btc fluctuations.
15:23 mircea_popescu those other people were broken.
15:24 mircea_popescu anyway, don't get me wrong, i'm not the enemy here.
15:24 kakobrekla >we'll be outperforming just about everything <- even buy and hold (btc?)
15:25 mircea_popescu kakobrekla well, they'll outperform 777.com at any rate.
15:25 kakobrekla :p
15:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1585 @ 0.00222909 = 3.5331 BTC [+] {4}
15:25 the20year1 Is BTC at current value a bubble or a long term thing? I was told by many, many, many people when we hit $250/btc that it would only go higher
15:26 mircea_popescu well what many people say is not likelier to be true by even more saying it.
15:26 bubbalicious mircea_popescu: doesn't s.nsa have some of the same issues? cardano at 0.35 btc is getting more expensive by the minute.
15:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2608 @ 0.00245484 = 6.4022 BTC [+] {3}
15:26 mircea_popescu bubbalicious amusingly, we have the converse advantage : only corp in the world tio be able to announce a price,
15:26 mircea_popescu and then slash it by preorder open
15:26 bubbalicious and then drop it :)
15:26 mircea_popescu this is like sega's wet dream come true
15:27 bubbalicious ok, so you have the converse issue. only an advantage if it keeps skyrocketing.
15:27 mircea_popescu but yes, without some very expert tacking, the fx issue is a big problem for all btc corps.
15:29 firedrops could someone give me the elevator speech for S.NSA?
15:29 mircea_popescu anyway, the20year1, there's good fundamental reasons for the lift. i wouldn't call it a bubble. that's not to say it may not bubble yet. hopefully it won't, but 300 ain't it at anuy rate.
15:30 mircea_popescu firedrops strong crypto in hardware.
15:30 mircea_popescu all the tools one needs to make 100% systems, stuff no mob and no government can crack.
15:31 firedrops that's something I can get behind. time for reading http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA
15:31 mircea_popescu (the "idle afternoon" speech is http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ )
15:31 firedrops thank you
15:31 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm persuaded there won't be such a thing as long term btc without such a thing as nsa.
15:32 kakobrekla unless the nsa shuts down.
15:33 mircea_popescu i suspect there's always going to be a pair of those
15:33 mircea_popescu whatever they're called.
15:33 firedrops as long as there is government..
15:34 firedrops So where are the cardonos sold?
15:34 mircea_popescu make no mistake about it, government there will ever be. whether it's the washington mob or the five families mob, it's gonna be something.
15:34 mircea_popescu people need the argumentum ad baculum.
15:34 mircea_popescu firedrops preorders not open yet.
15:34 firedrops prototype?
15:35 bubbalicious http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/
15:35 ozbot S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:35 mircea_popescu the prototype isn't sold :)
15:35 firedrops but it exists, excellent. moar reading, thanks.
15:36 nubbins` you guys have a delivery date in mind for those?
15:38 pankkake someone created a ChinaCoin some months ago
15:38 pankkake it's dead now
15:39 mircea_popescu pankkake yeah.
15:40 mircea_popescu nubbins` ideally be in your hands before xmas
15:40 mircea_popescu so ppl can give their gfs stuff this xmas!
15:40 nubbins` oh, nice
15:41 mircea_popescu (look honey, i got you the .35 btc cardano. yet another field in which btc is moar of an advantage)
15:41 nubbins` (thanks sweetie, what's .35 btc in fiat? oh, lel, my goodness)
15:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999999 BTC [+]
15:42 nubbins` silkscreened certificate of some sort would be a nice thing to find inside the box, cough cough
15:43 KRS-1 mircea_popescu: your evil counterpart pircea_mopescu was in here earlier lol
15:43 mircea_popescu o they changed ? nice.
15:43 bubbalicious nubbins`: stop trying to cut into the profit margins :)
15:43 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2013#366081
15:43 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
15:44 nubbins` bubbalicious: i could say the same to you
15:45 nubbins` besides, nice packaging makes people feel like they've bought something valuable
15:45 mircea_popescu you know, this dispute between investors and subcontractors is the halmark of a functioning economy.
15:46 nubbins` bubbalicious just doesn't realize what he wants
15:47 nubbins` it's my job to try to show him
15:48 nubbins` oh and if you were wondering, the trick to a good stew is to add some finely chopped potato right at the start
15:49 mircea_popescu fried in suet.
15:50 bubbalicious well, if packaging matters than somebody needs to css nosuchlabs.com
15:51 bubbalicious sprinkle on some bootstrap
15:51 bubbalicious maybe some highcharts
15:51 nubbins` web is dead, print is king
15:51 nubbins` what are you gonna do, hang an XML fragment on your wall?
15:51 bubbalicious there's a jquery function that does that.
15:51 bubbalicious xml -> wall
15:52 nubbins` "sweet, there's a usb stick with some awesome graphics inside the box!"
15:52 nubbins` "a lot of care must have been put into this"
15:52 bubbalicious "it must be secure!" ;)
15:52 bubbalicious ok ok nubs, what's your quote?
15:53 nubbins` i don't know who you are D:
15:53 bubbalicious and i have no authority
15:53 bubbalicious puts me in a good negotiating position
15:53 mircea_popescu pankkake you know romanian cure for headache ?
15:53 pankkake I hope it's a blowjob
15:53 nubbins` that's only a temp fix
15:54 pankkake that's why I need lots of them!
15:54 mircea_popescu it's like this : find two walls 8 inches apart. take a mouthful of milk and go bang your head in between the walls
15:54 mircea_popescu until the milk turns to buttermilk
15:54 pankkake :o
15:54 nubbins` ...
15:55 mircea_popescu also the blowjob headache cure works FOR THE GIRL
15:56 kleeck I swear there was a CoinTerra user on BTCTalk...
15:56 mircea_popescu there was.
15:56 kleeck I'm trying to find some posts from that user.
15:56 nubbins` perhaps they vanished in a puff of logic
15:57 kleeck there we go
15:57 kleeck caps sensitive...
15:57 kleeck Last post was on 10/31...
15:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2013#372085 lmao
15:58 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
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16:16 kleeck So, the last news update by HashFast was a delay due to substrates, but promising that shipping would not be delayed...
16:19 mircea_popescu i still haven't figured out what word they misreplaced with "substrates"
16:20 TAT_Investments pcb boards?
16:20 TAT_Investments plastic casing?
16:21 nubbins` couldn't find the DVD they backed up the schematics to?
16:22 mircea_popescu TAT_Investments the leading hypothesis is that they mean their chip packager fucked up.
16:22 mircea_popescu (to make a chip you take etched silicone/metal wafers and encase them in some plastic)
16:22 asciilifeform almost certainly these: http://www.i-micronews.com/upload/image/PG/4%20chip%20stack%20on%20interposer.jpg
16:23 asciilifeform (assuming they meant anything at all)
16:24 mircea_popescu so they use like a bga or something ?
16:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66998998 BTC [+]
16:25 asciilifeform likely a bga, and can't mount it in-house
16:25 asciilifeform (need xray machine)
16:25 asciilifeform so chances are they're sending away for them to be mounted.
16:25 kleeck So they should've just said, "Hey, we completely fucked up our chips."
16:25 asciilifeform i can't mount bgas with 100% working yield in my kitchen, either.
16:25 mircea_popescu kleeck nah, it wouldn't be the case.
16:26 asciilifeform this is an asic house, right? afaik all of the current asics ship as bga...
16:26 asciilifeform (btc asics that is)
16:26 mircea_popescu something like this : if your distribution craps out your car is not "totally wrecked", nevertheless it;'s weird to say yo uhave a problem with the "showerheads"
16:27 mircea_popescu perhaps that's overstating the point.
16:28 kleeck All I know is, in biology, if your substrates are fucked up YOU are fucked up.
16:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought most chips in the field are flatpacks/quads
16:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the only btc asic i've seen alive (colleague's collection) was a bga.
16:29 mircea_popescu maybe i'm behind the tiems
16:30 asciilifeform actually nope.
16:30 asciilifeform it was one of these
16:30 asciilifeform http://198.245.60.111/Pix/Erupter2.jpg
16:30 asciilifeform quad flat pack.
16:30 mircea_popescu lolk.
16:30 asciilifeform so i suppose somebody did have them packaged as bga, and now shoestring resellers are having a bit of headache.
16:31 the20year1 the USB erupters?
16:32 asciilifeform btw this photo of the latter shows tell-tale signs of hand soldering
16:32 the20year1 scary
16:32 asciilifeform (scorch marks, lower-right quadrant)
16:32 the20year1 my brother's failure rate on them has been quite low overall, around 0.25%
16:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.66999 BTC [+]
16:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00082467 = 6.2263 BTC [-] {2}
16:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [+]
16:36 nubbins` yep, R2 knew the soldering iron intimately
16:36 nubbins` scorched to shit
16:36 asciilifeform probably just burnt flux
16:37 asciilifeform chinese soldering girl, not permitted even toilet break, less than steady hand.
16:37 asciilifeform (boards are probably a buck more at plants where they allow toilets.)
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16:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 140 @ 0.00689998 = 0.966 BTC [+]
16:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it can't be a dollar more.
16:54 mircea_popescu in fact, if they had the sense to install cameras it'd prolly be a buck less.
16:59 benkay will it ever make sense again to actually buy land, given the returns acruing to btc?
16:59 benkay land/apartments etc
16:59 mircea_popescu sure.
16:59 mircea_popescu once btc reaches its pleateau things get back to normal
17:00 mircea_popescu under the new world overlords.
17:00 benkay why is a plateau the steady-state?
17:01 asciilifeform will be interesting to see 'company towns' where you can get food, housing, etc. for btc.
17:01 benkay i guess just a really shallow increase
17:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
17:01 mircea_popescu benkay at some point the btc will trade more or less for (total world assets)/(total btc in circulation)
17:01 mircea_popescu at that point fixed assets prices become again stable in btc.
17:04 benkay as i suspected, argentinian REIT is doa.
17:06 benkay is anyone tracking troy gold denominated in btc?
17:09 nubbins` http://www.amagimetals.com/
17:09 ozbot Buy Gold, Silver Coins, Bars and Bullion Online | Best Prices on Precious Metals - Amagi Metals
17:10 nubbins` oh n/m, the ticker doesn't change to btc
17:10 nubbins` http://www.coinabul.com/
17:11 nubbins` literally just googling "gold btc" here
17:11 asciilifeform these wouldn't be the fellows that shafted people back in april?
17:11 asciilifeform cancelling bullion orders when btc spiked
17:11 benkay http://bitcoinity.org/charts/gold
17:11 ozbot Bitcoinity.org
17:13 nubbins` no idea
17:13 benkay not exactly a model of information presentation...
17:13 nubbins` i've had good dealings with amagi
17:14 benkay gotta love the clarity of units
17:14 benkay coinabuls charts appear to be completely fscked
17:15 benkay yes plz will buy butts at 130
17:18 benkay http://bitcoinbabble.com/?p=109
17:18 ozbot A Case for Fractional Reserve Banking with Bitcoin | Bitcoin Babble
17:18 benkay fractional reserve
17:18 benkay stopped reading
17:19 mircea_popescu tghen why link it :p
17:20 benkay i read the log
17:20 benkay i hope other idiots do too
17:21 mircea_popescu i guess so
17:26 benkay ;;ticker --market --all
17:26 gribble Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['btcde', 'mtgox', 'btcavg', 'bitstamp', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitfinex', 'all', 'btce', 'btcn'].
17:26 benkay ;;ticker --market all
17:27 gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 311.70100, vol: 85291.17094261 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 292.89, vol: 50109.30993984 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 282.563, vol: 35924.37193 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 281.96, vol: 1002.02269609 | Volume-weighted last average: 299.983897084
17:27 benkay ;;ticker -m all
17:27 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
17:27 benkay :(
17:28 benkay ;;ticker --market all --currency XAU
17:28 gribble Error: Only USD averages supported.
17:29 benkay ;;ticker --market all --currency EUR
17:29 gribble Error: Only USD averages supported.
17:29 benkay ;;ticker --market all --currency USD
17:29 gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 312.00000, vol: 85308.66393263 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.17, vol: 50115.09916200 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.599, vol: 35941.52011 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 281.96, vol: 1002.02269609 | Volume-weighted last average: 299.847037586
17:30 benkay does nano operate gribble?
17:31 benkay nanotube?
17:32 mircea_popescu yes.
17:33 benkay thanks!
17:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00608999 = 0.609 BTC [-] {2}
17:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638 BTC [-]
17:44 benkay &
17:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.624 = 1.872 BTC [-] {2}
17:46 benkay !h
17:46 assbot List of commands:
17:46 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
17:46 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
17:46 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
17:46 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
17:46 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
17:46 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
17:46 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
17:46 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
17:47 bubbalicious /query assbot
17:50 pankkake !tickle
17:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.615 = 2.46 BTC [-]
18:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+]
18:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.32 = 0.96 BTC [-]
18:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00612425 = 0.392 BTC [+] {2}
18:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00015 = 0.45 BTC [-]
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19:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.002 = 0.12 BTC [-]
19:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.614025 = 2.4561 BTC [-] {3}
19:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6115 = 2.446 BTC [-] {3}
19:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61100001 = 1.222 BTC [-]
19:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.32 = 0.96 BTC [-]
19:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.32 = 2.56 BTC [-]
19:20 jurov pankkake perhaps i can write bets (or convince you it's vague idea) for hire :D
19:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00602029 = 0.4154 BTC [-] {3}
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19:43 mircea_popescu anyone seen compliance ? the movie.
19:55 nubbins` no, but it's based on a true story!
19:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 150 @ 0.00109499 = 0.1642 BTC [+]
19:56 mircea_popescu it's unwatchable.
19:56 nubbins` not surprised
19:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.00589884 = 0.932 BTC [-] {6}
19:59 nubbins` saw the good, the bad and the ugly for the first time a couple days ago
20:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 850 @ 0.00109499 = 0.9307 BTC [+]
20:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00082908 = 9.9904 BTC [+] {2}
20:07 Namworld Who had the idea to make buttered popcorn flavored jelly beans... tastes like mixed salt and sugar...
20:08 nubbins` eat one with 2 blueberry jellybeans for a blueberry muffin flavor
20:10 Namworld It almost works... it's too salty tho
20:11 Namworld other than that popcorn flavor, these are delicious...
20:12 thestringpuller ;;seen smi
20:12 gribble I have not seen smi.
20:12 thestringpuller ;;seen smickles
20:12 gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 7 hours, 1 minute, and 45 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg
20:12 thestringpuller not this again lol
20:15 jurov ;;bc,stats
20:15 gribble Current Blocks: 268475 | Current Difficulty: 5.109297380161518E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 270143 | Next Difficulty In: 1668 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 556744793.93 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.967
20:17 benkay http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/07/judge-orders-coinlab-to-pay-up-in-bitcoin/
20:17 ozbot Judge Orders CoinLab to Give Bitcoin to Bitvestment - MoneyBeat - WSJ
20:19 BingoBoingo "A well-known bitcoin company" <- WTF does CoinLab even do?
20:20 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo basically it's bitcoin's zsa zsa gabor
20:20 mircea_popescu a well known hollywood celeb that has nevertheless never done any movies.
20:20 BingoBoingo Ah, So like a Kardashian without a sex tape.
20:20 mircea_popescu well they're working on the sex tape.
20:29 mircea_popescu In February 2009, "Dex" called a KFC restaurant in Manchester, New Hampshire. Posing as a manager from the corporate office, he persuaded employees to douse the building with fire suppression chemicals and to then proceed outside, remove all of their clothing and urinate on each other (he claimed the chemicals were caustic and this would render them inert).
20:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.639 BTC [+]
20:31 BingoBoingo Apparently some sort of new Traffic stop pilot program is being tested in New Mexico http://gawker.com/routine-traffic-stop-leads-to-anal-probe-nightmare-agai-1460304269
20:31 kakobrekla also who is bitvestment
20:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [-]
20:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.04620001 = 0.924 BTC [-]
20:38 mircea_popescu On July 20, Markle tricked a desk clerk at the Homewood Suites in Lexington, Kentucky into drinking another person’s urine. The prank started with a call to a guest. The guest was told it was the front desk calling and that a prior guest had tested positive for Hepatitis C. The guest was then told there was a doctor on site and a simple urine test could determine if the guest was infected. The urine was to be brought
20:38 mircea_popescu to the front desk in a simple drinking glass. Markle then called the front desk alleging to be an employee of Martinelli's Cider. He told the clerk that a representative from the company would like to come downstairs with a sample of their new drink. The guest from the previous call then arrived and handed the clerk his urine. Markle then coaxed the woman to try it. He asked how it tasted. "Horrible," she said. "That
20:38 mircea_popescu does not taste like cider. I'm not going to take another sip, that's horrible." Markle replied: "Well, I need to inform you of something, ma'am. I want you to understand that you just drank that man's urine."
20:38 mircea_popescu i gotta get into pranking, this shit's too epic.
20:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63905714 = 4.4734 BTC [+] {2}
20:51 BingoBoingo ;;goxlag
20:51 gribble MtGox lag is 0.408284 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000818196564625 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
20:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6391 = 3.1955 BTC [+]
20:53 benkay they don't even have the volume to justify that
20:57 mircea_popescu http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/07/article-2491576-1943076800000578-829_634x378.jpg
20:57 mircea_popescu guess the bitcoin site.
20:59 nubbins` hahaha
20:59 nubbins` guess they're using JSF
20:59 mircea_popescu amusingly, obama's signature project would not actually qualify to being listed on mpex on technical grounds.
20:59 nubbins` can't find message bundle files = ???place_holder_name??? for all strings
21:00 mircea_popescu lucky for him he's friends with the fiat printer guy or else he'd starve.
21:00 nubbins` pays to have friends in inky places
21:00 nubbins` new polymer $5 and $10s released here today
21:00 nubbins` canada no longer produces paper money
21:00 BingoBoingo Maybe Obama can hire TradeFortress? I hear he needs an income...
21:00 mircea_popescu i doubt he has the clearance.
21:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.04620001 = 0.924 BTC [+]
21:03 mod6 lol nubbins` wasn't kidding: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/11/07/new_5_and_10_polymer_bills_released_by_bank_of_canada.html
21:04 kakobrekla whats odd also about tf, different people are getting back different percentages of their holdings or soemthing
21:04 nubbins` mod6: crisp stacks of them are VERY difficult to separate. it's a real pain
21:04 nubbins` cashiers are always death-gripping them
21:06 mircea_popescu lmao @poorly made polymer bills.
21:06 mircea_popescu romania has been using all poly for a decade, and the problem never existed here.
21:06 mod6 i bet, nubbins`. seems like that would be a problem.
21:06 mircea_popescu the trick is that they have to have special faces.
21:06 mircea_popescu which costs slightly more
21:06 nubbins` they tend to nest together around the braille
21:07 mod6 huh.
21:07 nubbins` once they've been circulating for a while they're ok, but crisp ones are always a problem
21:07 nubbins` polymer notes also don't fold nicely
21:07 nubbins` i'm really not a huge fan
21:07 nubbins` better than more coins, though
21:08 BingoBoingo Apparently Mt Dox is a thing now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327178.0
21:08 nubbins` the see-thru panels are kinda cool tho
21:08 mircea_popescu there's really not much choice, you can't make "paper" textile secure enough.
21:08 mod6 mircea_popescu: do you mean 'faces' as in the artwork on the note, or as in some sort of poly scuffing or 'roughness' on the surface?
21:08 mircea_popescu the latter mod6
21:08 mod6 ahh
21:09 mod6 interesting way to get around the problem i suppose. new paper notes always stick together over here -- and there's a lot of 'em (lol)
21:09 nubbins` the canadian notes have texture as well
21:09 mircea_popescu nubbins` then it must not be done right or something ?
21:10 nubbins` i assumed that it was because they cut the sheets in stacks, and don't mechanically fan them to encourage separation before shipping them to the banks
21:11 nubbins` in fact, i mis-counted the tenants' rent twice this month because of this very problem
21:12 mod6 are these poly-notes just straight poly, or are they a laminated pet (polyester) | polyethylene with paper in the middle?
21:12 nubbins` pure poly
21:12 nubbins` the canadian notes have fully transparent sections
21:13 mod6 oh, ok. probably better that way to avoid delamination
21:13 mod6 one bad lot of glue could mean delam for lots and lots of notes haha.
21:13 nubbins` http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6222/6356371907_4686b1d63d_m.jpg
21:14 nubbins` (you can see the guilty braille near the bottom right of the "E"
21:14 nubbins` )
21:14 mod6 ok, so its a [ poly | ink | poly ] construction 'eh
21:14 mod6 well, actually: [poly | ink | glue | poly ] (probably)
21:14 nubbins` i'm not sure of the specifics. the clear section has a hologram ribbon embedded in it
21:15 nubbins` and i'm pretty sure it's a different polymer than the rest of the note
21:15 mod6 yeah, those are just probably inserted as a strip during or before the lamination process.
21:15 mircea_popescu are they huge or is the kbd really small
21:16 nubbins` macbook keyboard, regular size bills (for us, anyway)
21:17 nubbins` ~150x70mm?
21:17 nubbins` 2.75x6"
21:18 mircea_popescu is that the largest bill ?
21:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6398 BTC [+]
21:18 mod6 i know the length of $1 is 6" for sure, the height seems about par with usd.
21:18 nubbins` denomination? yeah
21:18 nubbins` canada is largely cashless
21:19 nubbins` it's uncommon to see anything bigger than a 20 day-to-day
21:19 KRS- not good
21:19 KRS- amazing how many people are all up in BTC considering the price
21:19 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
21:20 nubbins` there was a $1,000 note until 2000
21:20 nubbins` it was removed from circulation after they realized it was only being used to launder money
21:21 nubbins` http://www.cdnpapermoney.com/images/Birds/1988_1000f.jpg
21:21 KRS- But then again <XDS2010> hey can i buy 2USD of bitcoins off someone ?
21:21 KRS- $2!
21:21 mircea_popescu "launder money" = "use moneuy according to wishes of owners rather than government" ?
21:22 nubbins` mp, precisely
21:22 mircea_popescu well then fuck them.
21:22 KRS- if one wanted to do that couldnt one just trade btc for gold directly?
21:22 nubbins` i can't argue with ya there
21:22 KRS- one of the easier ways?
21:22 nubbins` krs, shut up, you'll ruin it
21:23 Apocalyptic KRS-, I've seen someone willing to buy 0.001 btc on #otc
21:23 KRS- i have no idea what i'm saying i was looking for the #xbox chat room or something
21:23 nubbins` go back to sleep!
21:24 nubbins` -otc is a wasteland
21:24 nubbins` infants trading pennies
21:24 mircea_popescu nubbins` you don't understand. some people weren't happy with the direction it was evaporating into back in 2012.
21:24 mircea_popescu it's much better nao.
21:24 mircea_popescu and also gmaxwell isn't a rank imbecile, as certain evil people might have you believe.
21:26 nubbins` it used to be worse? :0
21:26 mircea_popescu no, i'm just sarcastic.
21:27 nubbins` ooo, slipped it past me
21:27 mircea_popescu interwebs are slippery for sarcasm.
21:27 Namworld I was reading comments on a canadian news website (yes, I'm currently very bored) when someone purporting to be American he was surprised pretty much every commenter was writing with full sentences and properly. It's true.
21:28 Namworld Even agressive comments are polites.
21:28 nubbins` ugh
21:28 nubbins` never read the comments
21:28 nubbins` it always degenerates into "loony lefties" or "harper's goons"
21:29 nubbins` or bleating about immigration reform
21:29 mircea_popescu o wow, canada has like politics and everything ?
21:29 mircea_popescu how adowabwe.
21:29 nubbins` mp, i think we even have eleckshuns too
21:29 nubbins` not sure of spelling
21:29 Namworld Yes, it's almost as if was a country.
21:29 mircea_popescu that it'd have, even pakistan has those :D
21:29 nubbins` there's a "Senate scandal" going on right now
21:29 nubbins` for some reason, we have a bunch of ex-journalists in the senate
21:30 mircea_popescu http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013/11/07/botched-nc-traffic-alert-warns-of-women-drivers-rain-obama-care/
21:30 ozbot Botched NC Traffic Alert Warns Of ‘Women Drivers, Rain, Obama Care’ « CBS Charlotte
21:30 mircea_popescu "The North Carolina Department of Transportation sent out a traffic alert, warning people of female drivers, rain and Obamacare."
21:30 nubbins` and it came to light that they've been grossly enriching themselves in ways that they shouldn't
21:30 mircea_popescu no improper sex tho ?
21:31 nubbins` nothing so far
21:31 nubbins` given the perps, i hope not
21:31 mircea_popescu so i guess it'll take you 10-20 years to catch up to the us then ?
21:31 nubbins` http://i.cbc.ca/1.2416290.1383710703!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/image.jpg
21:31 Namworld Botched NC Traffic Alert? Sounds like a prank.
21:32 nubbins` mircea_popescu: depends on if the liberals get elected again
21:32 Namworld [21:31] <nubbins`> given the perps, i hope not
21:32 Namworld An important point...
21:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 125 @ 0.00109 = 0.1363 BTC [-]
21:32 nubbins` conservative government is canada's reset button
21:33 mircea_popescu 1sow2pigs
21:33 nubbins` duffy (left) truly is a pig
21:35 nubbins` "Duffy is also the asshole who, at the funeral of former Liberal prime minister Pierre Trudeau in 2000, reminded his grieving widow that it was also the birthday of her son Michel, who died in an avalanche in 1998."
21:36 mircea_popescu ew
21:45 mike_c gonna need bigger strikes on mpex soon!
21:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 68 @ 0.04620001 = 3.1416 BTC [+]
21:46 mike_c won't be able to buy atm options in a week
21:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 95 @ 0.001087 = 0.1033 BTC [-]
21:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6398 BTC [+]
21:51 mircea_popescu mike_c yeah ;/
21:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7215 @ 0.00082669 = 5.9646 BTC [-] {2}
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22:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00605 = 0.1755 BTC [+]
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22:46 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/587/litecoin-to-rise-above-4-usd-before-dec/
22:46 ozbot BitBet - Litecoin to rise above 4 USD before Dec 25th
22:46 mircea_popescu ltc to teh moon!
22:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00246932 = 0.4198 BTC [+] {2}
22:49 KRS- lol
22:49 KRS- can we do one to $5 before Dec 25
22:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.31701 = 0.951 BTC [+]
22:51 mircea_popescu sure.
22:51 assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 0.54745081 = 547.4508 BTC [-]
22:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.317 = 0.951 BTC [-]
22:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.313 = 1.252 BTC [-]
22:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31200002 = 0.624 BTC [-]
22:54 benkay http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=1-year&resolution=day&pair=btc-usd&market=mtgox
22:54 benkay http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=1-year&resolution=day&pair=ltc-usd&market=btc-e
22:54 ozbot BTC/USD 1-year charts from Mt.Gox
22:54 ozbot LTC/USD 1-year charts from BTC-e
22:54 benkay http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=3-months&resolution=day&pair=btc-usd&market=mtgox
22:54 benkay http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=3-months&resolution=day&pair=ltc-usd&market=btc-e
22:54 ozbot BTC/USD 3-months charts from Mt.Gox
22:54 ozbot LTC/USD 3-months charts from BTC-e
22:54 benkay pretty tightly correlated, neglecting growing pains.
23:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00246954 = 0.1309 BTC [+]
23:03 mike_c 500 btc put? no comment?
23:04 assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P320T] 1000 @ 0.54737769 = 547.3777 BTC [-]
23:04 mike_c man, i hope he's going to hedge that
23:04 mike_c 1100 btc in puts is a bold bet.
23:05 benkay relative to your stash, perhaps.
23:05 BingoBoingo mike_c: You forget the gem chasers are controlling prices at the moment
23:06 mike_c so, a miner is happy to spend 300k in insurance for 3 weeks?
23:06 mike_c if it is a speculator, i don't care how big their stash is. that's a big bet!
23:09 benkay mpoe took the other side
23:10 benkay dunno what to tell you, mang
23:11 benkay and "a miner" is unlikely
23:11 benkay perhaps "a pool of miners representing an ungodly amount of hashing power" would be more plausible?
23:12 mike_c but pool doesn't have control of all the funds to drop down a 1k hedge, do they?
23:12 mike_c ;;calc 300 / .55
23:12 gribble 545.454545455
23:12 mike_c ;;calc 300 / 1.55
23:12 gribble 193.548387097
23:13 mike_c break-even at 193
23:13 mircea_popescu mike_c you weren't around the month that mpoe bot carried 1mn btc implied on the book were you
23:13 mike_c uh, no.
23:13 mircea_popescu yeah. well...
23:14 mike_c well, then I am enjoying being excited at these kinds of things still :) Another year and I will be blase.
23:15 mircea_popescu hehe it is pretty hefty. anyway ;
23:15 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-january-2013-statement/ 47k turnover in jan, 200k btc in contracts
23:15 ozbot MPOE, January 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:15 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ 50k in march, ~500k btc in contracts
23:15 ozbot MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:16 BingoBoingo I imagine the futures will pick up as the gem chasers continue their thing.
23:17 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1okwk7/chase_bank_limits_cash_withdrawals_bans/
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P320T] 500 @ 0.54487298 = 272.4365 BTC [-]
23:17 mircea_popescu hm. i wonder why so fixated on 320.
23:17 mike_c it's the max?
23:18 mircea_popescu ya but i mean, could have taken 1k 317s
23:18 mike_c ;;calc 317 / 1.5327
23:18 gribble 206.82455797
23:18 mike_c yeah
23:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00246954 = 0.2692 BTC [+]
23:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 191 @ 0.00246955 = 0.4717 BTC [+]
23:20 mircea_popescu if bitcoin does go back to last month those puts are worth a pretty coin.
23:21 benkay if it does so within the month, that is.
23:21 mircea_popescu yeah
23:22 mircea_popescu doesn't really look likely tbh. but what do i know.
23:22 asciilifeform from the honeypot dept: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/06/silk-road-2-0-launches-promising-a-resurrected-black-market-for-the-dark-web/
23:23 mike_c great minds! http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2013#371340
23:23 mircea_popescu you goldsterns you.
23:24 KRS- SR v2.0 = FBI
23:24 KRS- p33r
23:24 mike_c they gotta put all those coins to work. heh, maybe the fbi bought all the puts.
23:25 mircea_popescu lmao that'd be a good one.
23:25 mircea_popescu someone should make FBI
23:25 mircea_popescu Fund Bitcoin International or some shit
23:26 asciilifeform when we see a sr clone with aerostat delivery, we'll know it's the real deal.
23:26 asciilifeform (or not.)
23:26 mircea_popescu FBI could be a Bitcoin-centric us congress lobbying group, insisting that each year the us spends $$$ to buy up bitcoins
23:27 mike_c congress will make bitcoin extremely easy in the US as soon as they figure out it can hide campaign contributions
23:27 BingoBoingo When's the last time anyone checked the FBI addresses? Maybe they learned to GPG and bought a key registration on MPEx?
23:28 mircea_popescu someone made a gpg excel extension or something ?
23:28 asciilifeform that would be FBI', the other FBI. just like there is (or ought to be) an NSA', where they keep people who know how to set up 'iptables' on the 1st try.
23:29 asciilifeform (as classic nsa clearly does not, if the 3rd tor 'leak' is to be believed.)
23:30 mircea_popescu incidentally,
23:30 mircea_popescu http://www.anonsweden.se/?p=4106
23:30 asciilifeform mostly botnet traffic, as far as i can tell.
23:31 mircea_popescu “One of the big enlightenments that we had at a certain point is that people don’t want to buy security software. They want peace of mind.”
23:31 mircea_popescu i like this peace of mind euphemism.
23:31 asciilifeform peace as in: 'rest in...'
23:31 mircea_popescu you could also say “No man, who has endeavored to carry out an enterprise where many hands were needed, but has been well nigh appalled at times by the imbecility of the average man- the inability or unwillingness to concentrate on a thing and do it,” Hubbard writes. “Slip-shod assistance, foolish inattention, dowdy indifference, & half-hearted work seem the rule…”
23:34 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/357/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-500-by-the/
23:34 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $500 by the end of 2013
23:34 mircea_popescu nice odds on that thing
23:34 BingoBoingo As far as I know Outlook has, or at least had a GPG extension. Maybe they ported PyMPEx to an Excel macro?
23:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: to pdp-8.
23:35 mircea_popescu that thing'd kick ass.
23:36 mircea_popescu anyway, for the first time in many weeks the diff is flagging
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23:36 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-small-lin.png
23:36 BingoBoingo So... in other news NetBSD has their own GPG like program called NetPG. Built on the Mac SE/30
23:36 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png even
23:37 mircea_popescu .d
23:37 ozbot 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 1649 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.3214% in 10d 14h 33m 13s
23:37 BingoBoingo It's still generating the first keypair...
23:37 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo maybe it uses really good entropy
23:37 asciilifeform lemmings from the last wave of asicism tossing their miners in the skip in the wake of the middle kingdom's Great Wall of ASIC?
23:37 benkay yeah, what ams happen with diff?
23:38 BingoBoingo Knc machines continuing to burn out? Block erupters and ASICMiner quitting?
23:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002031 = 0.2031 BTC [-]
23:39 asciilifeform or maybe great wall blew a fuse.
23:39 asciilifeform or the electric bill didn't make its way into the nth 5-year plan...
23:40 mircea_popescu nothing goes on forever,
23:40 mircea_popescu and mountains least of all.
23:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00605 = 0.3025 BTC [+]
23:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8755 @ 0.00012951 = 1.1339 BTC [-] {4}
23:44 mircea_popescu http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2012/04/05/owe-irs-youre-not-going-anywhere/
23:44 mircea_popescu thisd is pretty juicy
23:44 mircea_popescu Those “other purposes” have come to include a little-known amendment recently introduced by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that would allow the State Department to revoke, deny or limit passports for anyone the Internal Revenue Service certifies as having “a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.”
23:44 asciilifeform old news.
23:44 mircea_popescu i only now saw it.
23:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1202 @ 0.002031 = 2.4413 BTC [-] {2}
23:48 asciilifeform dekulakization, ever popular.
23:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00605 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
23:50 asciilifeform only part that surprised me was the $50k. might as well 'owe parking fine? no passport.'
23:50 mircea_popescu it reminds one of the "state secrets" thing.
23:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: soviet 'nevyezdnye' ?
23:52 mircea_popescu отказник
23:52 asciilifeform (knew too much. non-exportable. physicists, etc)
23:53 asciilifeform that was more of a 'fuck, we won't let all the phd's out simultaneously'
23:53 mircea_popescu yeah.
23:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00605 = 0.3933 BTC [+]
23:53 mircea_popescu but generally, the reason joe e jew couldn't go to israel was that 20 eyars prior during his conscription
23:54 mircea_popescu he had once seen the inside of a t34 fuel tank
23:54 mircea_popescu or some shit.
23:54 asciilifeform right
23:55 asciilifeform here in the 'civilized' u.s. they'll do it 'humanely.' pay your ransom and get out, don't come back. like in (early) GDR.
23:55 mircea_popescu which incidentally aren't more famous than the ak47s only because they were too expensive for average people
23:55 mircea_popescu otherwise it's about as good.
23:55 asciilifeform quite.
23:56 asciilifeform betcha there are still '34s puttering around pakistan or some other pesthole.
23:56 mircea_popescu there are 34s used to train teh nato troops of romania.
23:56 benkay i'm out
23:56 benkay fuck that place
23:56 asciilifeform while inside? or target practice.
23:56 mircea_popescu no no, how to pilot a tank w/o a shaft
23:56 mircea_popescu also how to fix tracks
23:57 asciilifeform nobody cancelled slipped tracks.
23:57 mircea_popescu it was dearly beloved historically by romanians. the mo of the romanian army (which incidentally was one of the problems of leningrad) was to use the shitty czech skodas they had to force the russian crew out of a t34
23:58 mircea_popescu and then use that.
23:58 asciilifeform just like russians would club a german with 'ppsh' and take his schmeisser...
23:58 mircea_popescu yheah.
23:59 mircea_popescu it was like "every destroyed t34 is a sad loss" sort of thing.
23:59 asciilifeform or americans in vietnam, clubbing the enemy with jammed m16 and take his rifle.
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