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00:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 501000 @ 0.0001 = 50.1 BTC {2}
00:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
00:03 mircea_popescu so s.nsa ipo is a definite.
00:03 mircea_popescu congrats to teh team.
00:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00554 = 0.2216 BTC [-]
00:07 kakobrekla i miss ipo spam
00:07 BingoBoingo So sad no S.NSA spam
00:08 nubbins` hooray
00:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00553001 = 0.2986 BTC [-] {2}
00:08 mircea_popescu ya srsly. ou sont les spams d'antan!
00:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00553001 = 0.1825 BTC [-]
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 49575 @ 0.0001 = 4.9575 BTC
00:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 499 @ 0.00555 = 2.7695 BTC [+]
00:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37012003 BTC [-]
00:32 VanCleef hey mircea_popscu did you verify at bitfunder yet?
00:34 kakobrekla are you trying to outroll dub?
00:35 VanCleef is it worth verifying or not really?
00:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2453 @ 0.00021997 = 0.5396 BTC [-]
00:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2228 @ 0.00021997 = 0.4901 BTC [-]
00:37 pankkake I offered to verify an account for a fee, but no one even seems remotely interested
00:39 VanCleef probably cause its not "legal" whatever that means
00:39 VanCleef but you could probably just wait for another exchange yeh?
00:39 pankkake I'm always surprised when bitcoiners want to obey laws
00:40 pankkake yeah, that's more like it
00:40 kakobrekla yeah i heard 123 or whats it called is the shits now
00:40 pankkake 796?
00:40 pankkake I wonder why the chinese love numbers in site names
00:41 kakobrekla yeah, 123.
00:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2733 @ 0.00248594 = 6.7941 BTC [+] {10}
00:41 nubbins` what's .wps format, anyone know?
00:42 pankkake word perfect?
00:43 nubbins` no idea. google docs won't open it
00:43 nubbins` oh, microsoft works? jesus
00:43 nubbins` what are people into at all
00:43 pankkake oh… indeed
00:43 nubbins` who writes a book in microsoft works?
00:44 pankkake people who are no good at computers I guess. it is often bundled
00:44 nubbins` :(
00:44 nubbins` i hope it can save in other formats
00:45 pankkake can't you open it with libreoffice?
00:45 pankkake or word at least
00:46 nubbins` i have openoffice (i know) and google docs
00:46 nubbins` honestly, this is the first time someone's sent me something i couldn't open in docs
00:49 VanCleef pankkake bf would probably get the shits and close down the account and take your coins etc
00:49 BingoBoingo So I'm thinking of getting a new offline computer and considering the Macintosh SE/30. It seems like a TI-89 on steroids. Any obvious faults I'm overlooking?
00:49 pankkake how would they find out I'm not the one managing the account?
00:50 pankkake there's absolutely no way
00:50 VanCleef but yeh 796 could be good
00:51 nubbins` i, uh. obvious fault is that it'll probably be a nightmare to keep running
00:51 pankkake ?
00:51 nubbins` re: bingoboingo
00:52 nubbins` BingoBoingo: So I'm thinking of getting a new offline computer and considering the Macintosh SE/30. It seems like a TI-89 on steroids. Any obvious faults I'm overlooking?
00:52 pankkake oh, sorry. waking up
00:52 BingoBoingo nubbins`: I'm thinking of using for purposes where unexpected total failure might be a virtue rather than a vice.
00:53 nubbins` that was my next question
00:53 nubbins` so you're storing your poetry on it, hey?
00:56 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Maybe/Probably. I've found a QR code gun for its weird Serial port though. The only reason I'm thinking SE/30 is NetBSD won't build on the Mac Classic I have as it requires the 030 or 020 plus coprocessor.
00:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00081532 = 13.0451 BTC [-] {3}
00:56 nubbins` ah
00:56 nubbins` i use a heavily modified bsd kernel myself
00:57 nubbins` how much did the qr code gun set you back? i was thinking a small photo scanner would serve much the same purpose
00:59 BingoBoingo nubbins`: I actually acquired it at the same school surplus auction as the Mac Classic I need to replace with the SE/30. It was about $75 I spent that day on three computers, two barcode/QR guns, and a printer.
00:59 nubbins` rad!
00:59 nubbins` that's a great setup
01:00 pankkake how do the QR readers work? do you need drivers?
01:01 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well it would be if the three Mac Classics could use a decent unix instead of Mac os 7 or AU/X
01:01 BingoBoingo pankkake: I haven't crossed that bridge yet with NetBSD
01:01 VanCleef anyone here using 796?
01:03 nubbins` hm. how far along 7 can you get on a mac classic?
01:03 nubbins` i think they were updating that as late as 1997
01:03 nubbins` still a rough way to have to use a computer though
01:07 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Maybe? After reading some of asciilifeform's blog though I took time to get reacquainted with my TI-89. It might be older hardware, but sometimes going for the Cougar is worth it... provided you remember the rubber and can afford the Valtrex.
01:08 BingoBoingo VanCleef: 796 just looks shady. The only reason it might survive is the Chinese might simply want Americans to look worse at this technology thing.
01:09 asciilifeform for crypto buffs: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323
01:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If I wanted to replace my primary computer with a more obedient machine, would you recommend an HP or a TI graphing calculator. I'm just wondering because reading you makes me more paranoid than I was.
01:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: If you've managed to write a working TCP/IP stack for your TI, go for it.
01:16 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Honestly I'm accepting everything connected to this internet bullshit is dirty. I'm kind of wondering just which calculator can more reliably feed GnuPG better random numbers if kept offline.
01:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: I know of no GPG port or work-alike for the TI, but perhaps you can write the first one.
01:17 asciilifeform AFAIK neither includes a TRNG.
01:18 kakobrekla dont some of those usb rand generators do the job at least better than nothing?
01:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, I'd probably be limited to using the existing GCC port for the TI-89 to compile and hoping the NSA would let science the courtesy of having some decent sources for random and pseudo random numbers.
01:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the TI-8x series had serial inputs (3.5mm jack), perhaps you can improvise something.
01:20 VanCleef looks less shady than bitfunder tho
01:20 kakobrekla i think your shady-o-meter is broke
01:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The 89 at least has a 3.5 like audio jack. I'm kind of leaning towards Mircea's orgy microphone as a seed input idea.
01:21 VanCleef but it has a norton secured thingy on its site
01:21 VanCleef powered by verisign!!!
01:21 BingoBoingo VanCleef: If 796 looks less shady than Buttfunder maybe rotorooter the eyes?
01:21 assbot 123!
01:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you will definitely want to de-bias the noise, as most microphones pick up periodic interference (e.g. mains hum)
01:21 VanCleef okey so for now 796 is pretty dodgy
01:21 assbot 123!
01:22 VanCleef check
01:22 kakobrekla asciilifeform care to comment on the usb rand generators?
01:23 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the currently-available ones?
01:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So... Mains hums would bias more than local humps? Turn the sensetivity down?
01:23 kakobrekla well, theres like 5 or 10 of them no?
01:23 asciilifeform 'Entropy Key' is thought to be acceptable, but it's been sold out for ages.
01:23 asciilifeform the others are squarely in the 'if you have to ask, you can't afford it' territory.
01:24 asciilifeform problem is: it is quite possible to build a HRNG that passes any conceivable 'test of entropy' while remaining insecure.
01:24 kakobrekla theres like 5 of them with reasonable price here
01:24 asciilifeform try this exercise: apply your favourite test to: the digits of Pi.
01:24 kakobrekla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_hardware_random_number_generators
01:26 asciilifeform a good HRNG is, probably unavoidably, one of two kinds: that you built yourself, or is simple enough to examine with basic bench instruments to see that it has 'nothing up the sleeve.'
01:27 asciilifeform if you want one now, and would rather not wait for mine, build the damn thing yourself. It will take you a day or two.
01:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]
01:28 kakobrekla yeah ill be knitting socks right now if id have to diy everything
01:29 asciilifeform kakobrekla: if store-bought socks routinely came with a contact poison, i imagine that quite a few people would learn to knit.
01:30 kakobrekla hehe
01:30 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Honestly I am waiting for the Cardanos and hoping I can afford 10+ largely for the reason that store bought cotton does include various aldehydes.
01:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: Cardano will be "as cheap as possible, but not cheaper."
01:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That is good in that cheaper than possible would be worthless. Not being cheaper than that is simply declaring your value.
01:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.37012003 = 0.7402 BTC [-]
01:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I stand by my earlier idea that the Cardano should be available in at least two gift boxes. One with the Cardano, lingere, and a camera; and the other with the Cardano and a blackjack.
01:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: suggest this to MP, that's his department.
01:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm pretty sure I've told him before, but as long as I don't triple dot elipse it should be in the logs
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02:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00081395 = 4.6395 BTC [-] {2}
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02:29 virtuals ;;ticker
02:29 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 161.26390, Best ask: 161.96599, Bid-ask spread: 0.70209, Last trade: 161.96599, 24 hour volume: 19346.13979827, 24 hour low: 150.64000, 24 hour high: 161.96599, 24 hour vwap: 156.16054
02:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00560101 = 0.2801 BTC [-]
02:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]
02:44 benkay ;;vwap
02:44 gribble Error: "vwap" is not a valid command.
02:45 benkay durrrr
02:45 BingoBoingo ;;google buttcoins nao
02:45 gribble They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
02:47 kakobrekla $vwap
02:47 mpexbot kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wEqJhKQk
02:47 kakobrekla nop
02:48 pankkake .vwap
02:48 pankkake ☃vwap
02:52 benkay wamp wamp
02:52 benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/31/the-perils-of-homeschooling-german-police-storm-home-seize-four-children/ ah yes the glorious superiority of european everything
02:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:53 pankkake no child services or something in the glorious usa?
02:54 dub fuck homeschooling
02:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [+]
02:59 dub kids should have been euthanised instead of becoming a tax burden
03:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 30000 @ 0.0001 = 3 BTC
03:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.37012001 = 1.1104 BTC [-]
03:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0056 = 0.3976 BTC [-] {2}
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03:22 benkay "school"
03:22 benkay aka industrial babysitting
03:23 pankkake and brainwashing
03:23 benkay it's a poor troll, admittedly, but at least in the states we can abuse our childrens education
03:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00081898 = 0.1638 BTC [+] {2}
03:23 benkay ugh english. too late for me :(
03:23 pankkake hehe
03:24 dub been to school in teh states so I know how bad it is
03:24 dub but its what the other kids do
03:26 dub do they still make you chant at the flag?
03:28 mod6 they brought it back i think.
03:29 mod6 in all my days we never had to do it. but i think after 9/11 they brought it back. lol
03:31 mod6 wow: In 2009, a Montgomery County, Maryland, teacher berated and had school police remove a 13-year-old girl who refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance in the classroom. The student's mother, assisted by the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland, sought and received an apology from the teacher, as state law and the school's student handbook both prohibit students from being forced to recite the Pledge
03:31 mod6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
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03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 297 @ 0.0056 = 1.6632 BTC [-] {2}
03:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 540 @ 0.0025 = 1.35 BTC [+]
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05:39 dub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3347620#msg3347620
05:39 ozbot [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining)
05:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.58618021 = 69.1693 BTC [-] {21}
05:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0056 = 0.1456 BTC [-]
06:01 mod6 .jd
06:02 mod6 *bzzt* Thank you for playing.
06:02 mod6 !jd
06:02 assbot Just-Dice stat: 4715 BTC profit, 61.5k BTC invested, 181.24 mio bets, 4.17 mio BTC wagered
06:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00081258 = 2.6003 BTC [-]
06:09 jurov ;;bcstats
06:09 gribble Current Blocks: 264068 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 27 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 266585355.262 | Estimated Percent Change: 40.84087
06:11 jurov ;;nethash
06:11 gribble 2448463.01622
06:20 mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay http://crossmap.christianpost.com/news/german-officials-return-homeschooled-children-to-dirk-wunderlich-family-on-condition-of-school-attendance-5255
06:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
06:21 mircea_popescu do not confuse europe with the us depiction thereof.
06:26 pankkake "The Wunderlich children were returned after the parents promised they would send their children back to a state school" so? they're still stealing children
06:27 jurov pankkake: you won't believe what slovak catholic bigots came up with
06:27 pankkake what?
06:27 mircea_popescu pankkake well, in germany you gotta send kids to school.
06:27 jurov not just stealing children, but they supposedly give them for adoption to homosexuals
06:27 pankkake lol
06:27 mircea_popescu you don't, however, have to live in germany.
06:28 jurov and also, they are teaching them to masturbate in norway or so
06:28 pankkake that's like teaching to breathe
06:29 jurov and teching the homosexuality, zoophilia etc, of course
06:30 Azelphur mircea_popescu: I'm curious to know what your opinion is on the US debt default tomorrow
06:30 Azelphur that's gonna be interesting :P
06:30 mircea_popescu it doesn't default dood.
06:31 Azelphur I thought because the government hasn't been issued funding, they are unable to make this months payments on the bond, which is a default, no?
06:31 mircea_popescu the situation ios like this : each state has some income as tax receipts, and some expenses. in actual reality, the first claim to tax receipts goes to servicing the debt.
06:31 mircea_popescu in pseudo-lala crack cocaine pipedream the libertards in the us are living in, the first claim goes to welfare programs.
06:32 mircea_popescu by their distorted reasoning, as there's not enough tax income to satisfy both of these, there will be a default.
06:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37012001 BTC [-]
06:32 Azelphur I see
06:32 mircea_popescu in actual reality, there will be no default, just the various "paying poor people to vote democrat" programs will collapse.
06:32 Azelphur so you think they'll pay off the debt, and cut welfare?
06:32 mircea_popescu so, no more food stamps.
06:32 mircea_popescu no more health insurance. etc.
06:32 mircea_popescu yep.
06:32 mircea_popescu they already cut out food stamps for like, a day.
06:32 Azelphur interesting, that was certainly one of the scenarios I came up with
06:32 mircea_popescu so good for you.
06:33 Azelphur xD
06:33 Azelphur lucky me I don't depend on welfare any more, I guess.
06:33 mircea_popescu no state HAS TO pay the poor. the poor are always last in line, and for very good reason : they're lesser people.
06:33 mircea_popescu indeed.
06:34 pankkake http://www.zerohedge.com/article/dagong-rating-agency-us-has-already-defaulted
06:34 ozbot Dagong Rating Agency: "The US Has Already Defaulted" | Zero Hedge
06:34 jurov in 1967 or so
06:36 mircea_popescu what, the nixon gold thing ?
06:36 jurov anyway, i don't believe welfare is more than small % of us budget
06:37 jurov so it wont make a difference
06:39 dexX7 how likely is it that the usa goes broke tomorrow and will the be the end of teh world?
06:39 jurov oh, the world already ended in 1989 in ussr breakdown
06:39 jurov you didnt get the memo
06:40 dexX7 hehe
06:41 mircea_popescu jurov it's about a 40%
06:42 Perlboy mircea_popescu, maybe they'll pay the debt off to the chinese
06:42 Perlboy by inflating their currency
06:43 Perlboy cause that worked for germany and all :)
06:43 mircea_popescu Perlboy nope. tried past 5 yeas, the problem is everyone will devalue.
06:44 Perlboy although not having social welfare seems a bit of a fools errand.
06:44 Perlboy social welfare work schemes seem more logical
06:44 Perlboy which i don't believe the u.s. has
06:46 dexX7 pankkake: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/dagong-rating-agency-us-has-already-defaulted did you see the date?
06:46 pankkake yes, it's the fun part
06:47 dexX7 ah i see :)=
06:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6785 BTC [+]
06:59 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/
06:59 ozbot Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
06:59 mircea_popescu ^ recommended reading.
06:59 Azelphur inb4 boobs
07:03 mircea_popescu just penis.
07:03 Azelphur close enough xD
07:03 Azelphur but yea, I was around for all that shit too
07:03 Azelphur the massive GPU difficulty spike, then the massive FPGA difficulty spike, and the Mt. Gox hack that dropped the exchange rate to practically zero
07:04 Azelphur mircea_popescu: I'm dubious as to if a difficulty spike of this magnitude will happen again for a while now though - we've jumped through all iterations of current technology
07:04 Azelphur there is no next step, in terms of mining hardware, it's just making gradual improvements to the ASICs
07:04 mircea_popescu we've not jumped through actual mass adoption. if you grep the logs for last month's discussion about hashing bathroom tiles...
07:05 Azelphur haha
07:05 mircea_popescu you know, for house heating.
07:06 Azelphur that'd be pretty cool, I'm pretty much heating my house off of 3 x SC Single atm
07:06 Azelphur but it only does the one room.
07:06 Azelphur but yea, I reckon that scenario is a long way away
07:07 Azelphur public adoption in general takes many years.
07:07 mircea_popescu "a long way away".
07:07 mircea_popescu 5 years ?
07:07 Azelphur I'd think more like 10
07:08 mircea_popescu well here's the thing : i'll be around in 10 years.
07:08 Azelphur me too hopefully xD
07:08 mircea_popescu and i'll look at the new graph and say... hey... i remember when i was discussing with azelphur
07:08 mircea_popescu hehe
07:08 Azelphur haha yea, prolly will
07:08 Azelphur now if the exchange rate would just hurry up and do that again
07:09 mircea_popescu lol
07:11 mod6 :D
07:14 dexX7 mircea_popescu: your units are off.. all those super computers are messured in petaflop/s, not terraflop/s
07:14 mircea_popescu 33,862.7
07:15 dexX7 Tianhe-2 - 33 TFLOPS
07:15 pankkake could one of those supercomputers 51% attack litecoin?
07:15 mircea_popescu hah. people using fucking commas the wrong way
07:15 dexX7 replace all T with a P and you're fine
07:17 dexX7 and i suggest to assume FLOP = HASHOP or so.. both are "special" and would take many more regular ALUops
07:17 mircea_popescu dexX7 made some edits :[
07:18 dexX7 :( sorry
07:18 mircea_popescu but no, the flop = hashop equality is nonsense.
07:18 dexX7 why?
07:18 mircea_popescu even if you take "full hardware implementation" : you can easy fit 1000 flop cores in the space a hashcore takes
07:19 mircea_popescu like, on physical silicon.
07:19 mircea_popescu i mean, obviously you can make cores that do sqrt(x) in one cycle
07:19 mircea_popescu that doesn't make sqrt(x) = X*2
07:19 dexX7 ah, good to know
07:20 mircea_popescu in the end i guess this woud be the one base conversion factor, sqA of silicon space.
07:20 dexX7 didn't know that flops are so much easier than hashops
07:20 mircea_popescu well a shashop is 2 sha-256 hashings
07:20 mircea_popescu http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/sha256.html
07:20 ozbot JavaScript Implementation of SHA-256 Cryptographic Hash Algorithm | Movable Type Scripts
07:20 mircea_popescu that's a js sample sha-256 implementation
07:23 dexX7 i see
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07:41 bitesak thanks MP for your most recent article_
07:42 mod6 i like it too.
07:44 mircea_popescu bitesak actually... ima put that in the trilema bylines :D
07:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.0025 = 0.375 BTC [+]
08:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
08:01 bitesak is it reasonable to argue it is in China's interest to support and accumulate bitcoins as a hedge and part of an exit of their dwindling USD base as well as precipating even faster the demise of the dollar?
08:02 mircea_popescu perhaps.
08:02 Troic what about boinc ? it reports 8.8 petaflops of compute over the last 24hours : https://boinc.berkeley.edu/
08:03 mircea_popescu Troic i used the http://www.top500.org/lists/2013/06/ list
08:03 mircea_popescu conceivably it's not 100% accurate, but gotta use something
08:07 asa1024 mp: re: recent article. just wow.
08:08 asa1024 post @ tri
08:08 mircea_popescu yee
08:08 pankkake ;;bc,stats
08:08 gribble Current Blocks: 264093 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 2 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 minutes and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 267614155.975 | Estimated Percent Change: 41.3844
08:08 pankkake not even 42!
08:09 mircea_popescu lmao
08:09 mircea_popescu epic. how the fuck does that go
08:09 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1418823/plain/)
08:09 mircea_popescu !b 5
08:09 pankkake oh, nice feature
08:10 mircea_popescu #bitcoin-assets, leading the way in irc innovation.
08:10 mircea_popescu we got bots to do everything.
08:13 turbo_ac100_ mircea_popescu, is there evidence that the chinese and /or the US are mining?
08:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.582 = 6.984 BTC [-]
08:15 turbo_ac100_ besides "Estimated Percent Change: 41.3844" :P
08:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0056 = 0.448 BTC [-]
08:16 mircea_popescu yeah. not public, but there is.
08:17 Scrat https://blockchain.info/block-height/264096
08:17 pankkake RIP mining
08:18 mircea_popescu Scrat what about that block ?
08:18 Scrat new diff - 267.7 M
08:18 mircea_popescu a a. yea
08:18 mircea_popescu 267.6 estimate earlier proves correct >D
08:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64779999 = 1.2956 BTC [+]
08:23 bitesak ;;ticker
08:23 gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 161.30001, Best ask: 161.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 161.50000, 24 hour volume: 26035.62247003, 24 hour low: 151.20000, 24 hour high: 163.00000, 24 hour vwap: 157.69910
08:24 mircea_popescu .d
08:24 ozbot 267731249.48242 | Next Diff in 2015 blocks | Estimated Change: -99.9300% in 27d 23h 17m 17s
08:24 mircea_popescu ha! -99.93% ! 11
08:24 pankkake please be true!
08:24 mircea_popescu sell all the bitcoinz
08:25 pankkake ;;prevdiffchange
08:25 gribble 41.44626
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08:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37012001 BTC [-]
08:41 bitesak ;;bc,stats
08:41 gribble Current Blocks: 264099 | Current Difficulty: 2.677312494824211E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 266111 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 17 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 459625014.277 | Estimated Percent Change: 71.67403
08:41 mircea_popescu 459625014.277
08:41 mircea_popescu herp
08:42 pankkake can't be accurate so soon
08:43 mircea_popescu what if it is.
08:43 pankkake that would be fun
08:43 Apocalyptic China mining hard...
08:43 mircea_popescu i can't wait for all the something awful butthurt ensuing
08:43 mircea_popescu "o these mean bitcoin people, they dont
08:43 dexX7 too soon, no? cointerra, vmc and hashfast are shipping when? next month?
08:44 mircea_popescu ' give a shit what we think about it!!! you could heat all the poor african houses with all that electricity!!!"
08:44 Apocalyptic heh
08:44 mircea_popescu "why is it that resource allocation isn't done by a forum!"
08:44 pankkake "why is it that resource allocation isn't done by a forum!" => that's what Ripple does :D
08:44 mircea_popescu except it has no resources to allocate.
08:45 pankkake bitfury has orders to ship in the US I think
08:46 pankkake I meant https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145506.0 - which at a time gave $100 worth to anyone with an account
08:47 mircea_popescu yeah. that worked so very well...
08:49 ThickAsThieves ;;estimate
08:49 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 455842159.74 based on data since last change | 342070123.465 based on data for last three days
08:50 pankkake indeed
09:05 mircea_popescu .d
09:05 ozbot 267731249.48242 | Next Diff in 2009 blocks | Estimated Change: 58.7302% in 5d 18h 5m 3s
09:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00081596 = 2.1623 BTC [+]
09:10 assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C128T] 700 @ 0.35586239 = 249.1037 BTC [+]
09:11 ystarnaud wow did the diff go from 180mil to 267mil or did I miss a diff change in between?
09:12 mircea_popescu ;;calc 180 *1.42
09:12 gribble 255.6
09:12 Apocalyptic ystarnaud, diff change some hours ago
09:12 mircea_popescu hm i wonder if btc reaches 200
09:13 ystarnaud Apocalyptic: i know... but i was wondering if i missed a diff change somewhere or if it actually increased that much in 1 shot
09:13 mircea_popescu it did man, like 41.8%
09:13 Apocalyptic 42% in one shoit
09:13 ystarnaud thats nuts
09:13 ThickAsThieves many people say the next bubble will go to 500
09:13 ThickAsThieves i'm not one of them
09:13 Apocalyptic $300 is a decent target
09:13 ThickAsThieves 200 is a decent target
09:14 mircea_popescu just as long as it doesn't do retarded shit like shoot up through 1k or w/e.
09:14 ystarnaud lol
09:14 mircea_popescu you laugh now, but at some point it went from 15 to 260
09:15 mod6 ^^^
09:15 ystarnaud i know i was there
09:15 mircea_popescu i know you were hehe.
09:15 mircea_popescu anyway, off to see the dentist. may your next hours be less painful than mine.
09:16 ystarnaud fun stuff
09:16 ystarnaud good luck
09:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0058802 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {2}
09:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 134 @ 0.58175374 = 77.955 BTC [-] {5}
09:26 bitesak as it is crazy times, chances of a 1000 rally and crash is possible
09:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 215 @ 0.00595997 = 1.2814 BTC [+] {10}
09:27 dexX7 why would it crash?
09:27 deadweasel because there is not enough economy to support that price.
09:28 ThickAsThieves chart reading is self-fulfilling as well
09:28 deadweasel ^ bingo, bubbles pop. 1k is a bubble.
09:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.55968748 = 35.82 BTC [-] {2}
09:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 191 @ 0.00512074 = 0.9781 BTC [-] {6}
09:30 bitesak screwed either way, so enjoy the ride
09:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00495211 = 0.1634 BTC [-] {4}
09:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.52760013 = 3.1656 BTC [-] {2}
09:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 50 @ 0.05158399 = 2.5792 BTC [-] {5}
09:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.051 = 0.204 BTC [-]
09:45 nubbins` hi
09:46 nubbins` wow, 41% jump?
09:47 kleeck That sneak up on you?
09:47 nubbins` ehh, i know ~38 was being predicted
09:47 nubbins` big psychological jump when it crosses 40 tho
09:48 kleeck Is there?
09:48 nubbins` …yes?
09:48 nubbins` i mean, i said wow and everything!
09:53 jborkl .n
09:53 ozbot 2459656.18063
09:53 jborkl .d
09:53 ozbot 267731249.48242 | Next Diff in 2001 blocks | Estimated Change: 72.1500% in 3d 20h 41m 2s
09:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0025 = 0.15 BTC [+]
10:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.59333332 = 5.34 BTC [+] {3}
10:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00115936 = 0.5797 BTC [-] {9}
10:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.37012001 = 0.7402 BTC [-]
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4901 @ 0.00017 = 0.8332 BTC [-] {2}
10:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.64499999 = 12.9 BTC [+] {3}
10:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1500 @ 0.00115165 = 1.7275 BTC [-] {6}
10:25 dexX7 ;;nethash
10:25 gribble 2459656.18063
10:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.67375 = 4.0425 BTC [+] {2}
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10:52 the20year1 If any of you all are in RentalStarter, it would be beneficial to join us at #rentalstarter to talk about an option for US investors, should we have any.
10:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.00589315 = 0.6541 BTC [+] {4}
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] [PAID] 0.02096432 BTC to 40`316 shares, 52 satoshi per share
11:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+]
11:03 kleeck Updated At 10:55 a.m. ET. Report: Deal Reached On Senate Side
11:03 kleeck Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire tells The Associated Press that it's her understanding that Senate leaders have reached a deal and that a formal announcement was forthcoming.
11:03 kleeck "I understand they've come to an agreement but I'm going to let the leader announce that," Ayotte said.
11:03 kleeck http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/16/235263755/hours-ahead-of-debt-ceiling-congress-scrambles-for-a-deal
11:03 ozbot Hours Ahead Of Debt Deadline, Senate Leaders Race To Reach Deal : The Two-Way : NPR
11:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.11349999 = 0.227 BTC [+] {2}
11:10 pankkake http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/15/technology/twitter-nyse/ (and loses more money than ever)
11:10 ozbot Twitter picks the NYSE - Oct. 15, 2013
11:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
11:21 BigBitz Oracle and Twitter. Nice.
11:22 BigBitz Huge transfer and a huge IPO.
11:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00577941 = 0.1965 BTC [+] {2}
11:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
11:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.37012 = 0.7402 BTC [-]
11:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 353 @ 0.00118944 = 0.4199 BTC [+] {4}
11:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 976 @ 0.00119 = 1.1614 BTC [+]
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11:57 jurov mircea_popescu: deposits pls
11:57 jurov if the dentist didn't kill you
12:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.56000002 = 8.4 BTC [-] {3}
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.56000001 = 6.16 BTC [-] {2}
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+]
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 186 @ 0.00530324 = 0.9864 BTC [-] {16}
12:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
12:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.56 = 1.68 BTC [-] {2}
12:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37012 BTC [-]
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00081354 = 2.1152 BTC [-]
13:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-]
13:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.56 = 4.48 BTC [-]
13:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [-]
13:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [-]
13:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 888 @ 0.0009831 = 0.873 BTC [+] {2}
13:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.001199 = 0.1199 BTC [+]
13:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
13:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00081596 = 4.7734 BTC [+]
13:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00081888 = 1.433 BTC [+]
13:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.051 = 0.255 BTC [+]
13:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12699996 BTC [+]
13:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.53000001 = 5.3 BTC [-]
13:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.52855 = 3.1713 BTC [-] {2}
13:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.415 BTC [+]
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00019 = 0.285 BTC [-] {4}
13:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.051 = 0.51 BTC [+]
14:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00499997 = 0.405 BTC [+]
14:03 dub ;;nethash
14:03 gribble 2469083.34273
14:05 lewicki .d
14:05 ozbot 267731249.48242 | Next Diff in 1983 blocks | Estimated Change: 5.2016% in 13d 0h 41m 40s
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.051 = 0.255 BTC [+]
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00499998 = 0.275 BTC [+]
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12699997 = 0.635 BTC [+]
14:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.12699996 = 0.254 BTC [-]
14:10 jurov ;;bc,tslb
14:10 gribble Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.
14:10 jurov ;;tslb
14:10 gribble Time since last block: 41 minutes and 29 seconds
14:11 jurov and 2434 Unconfirmed Transactions.. stuff gonna get interesting
14:17 kleeck what the?
14:17 kleeck why so long?
14:24 jurov kleeck: difficulty jump
14:25 kleeck I didn't realize it adjusted so aggressively.
14:25 kleeck I suppose it expects to be "grown into".
14:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.367 BTC [-]
14:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1181 @ 0.00019789 = 0.2337 BTC [+]
14:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.002497 = 0.2023 BTC [+]
14:28 pankkake 1 hour block isn't unusual
14:29 jurov yes it's getting better
14:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.53 = 13.25 BTC [+]
14:30 pankkake and well, now a block every two minutes. bitcoin's the new litecoin
14:31 Dimsler i don't get it
14:31 pankkake get what?
14:31 Dimsler because of the lack of confirmation?
14:32 Dimsler or faster paced confirmation
14:32 pankkake of faster blocks, yes
14:32 Dimsler that was bitcoins advantage of litecoin was the ability to maintain a realistic level of transactions
14:38 jcpham moore's law be damned
14:38 jcpham greedy asic miners
14:51 KRS-1 lawl
14:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [+]
14:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0048 = 0.144 BTC [-]
14:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 24 @ 0.12694582 = 3.0467 BTC [-] {3}
14:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 35 @ 0.133 = 4.655 BTC [+]
14:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00470015 = 0.1645 BTC [-] {2}
15:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.52747826 = 12.132 BTC [-] {5}
15:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002497 = 2.497 BTC [+]
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3826 @ 0.00249931 = 9.5624 BTC [+] {2}
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15:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
15:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6155 @ 0.00081495 = 5.016 BTC [-]
15:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1860 @ 0.00259451 = 4.8258 BTC [+] {5}
15:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00275644 = 0.8545 BTC [+] {2}
15:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.589 = 4.123 BTC [+] {3}
15:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1250 @ 0.0027696 = 3.462 BTC [+] {2}
15:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.002849 = 0.2279 BTC [+]
15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00082114 = 4.352 BTC [+]
15:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.59879999 = 5.988 BTC [+] {3}
15:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.0047 = 0.3713 BTC [-] {2}
15:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00487791 = 2.9267 BTC [+] {4}
16:05 benkay wow it is hilariously quiet in this parts
16:10 kleeck so hilarious.
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16:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00455897 = 0.155 BTC [-] {4}
16:46 Tom_Servo $vwap ^oix
16:46 mpexbot Tom_Servo: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
16:46 Tom_Servo :(
16:47 pankkake $help
16:47 mpexbot pankkake: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
16:47 pankkake that was unhelpful
16:47 pankkake $help help
16:47 mpexbot pankkake: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
16:52 TomServo !ticker m ^oix
16:52 assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 196.1038293 / 196.1038293 (1385 shares, 470.20 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
16:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 407 @ 0.00450198 = 1.8323 BTC [-] {4}
16:56 pankkake kSLAUGHTER is "Working on our Colored Coins Program."
16:57 jurov and im busy bugfixing and monkey patching, awaiting irate emails from customers
16:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00479999 = 0.96 BTC [+] {2}
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17:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00082152 = 3.3682 BTC [+] {2}
17:33 pankkake the USA is the new Cyprus http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/10/chase-bank-limits-cash-withdrawals-bans.html
17:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64989991 BTC [+]
17:42 hdheuzbsiwhdb Infowars reporting...
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17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1318 @ 0.00082029 = 1.0811 BTC [-]
18:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 29.73816216 BTC to 7`374 shares, 403284 satoshi per share
18:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5800001 BTC [-]
18:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5800001 BTC [-]
18:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3611014 BTC [-]
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18:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5800001 BTC [-]
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19:08 jurov S.NSA now on live.coinbr.com
19:08 jurov sigh, should finally kill that and build something passable
19:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.561002 = 1.122 BTC [-]
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19:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.561002 BTC [-]
19:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.561001 BTC [-]
19:49 nubbins` ;;seen mircea_popescu
19:49 gribble mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 33 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> anyway, off to see the dentist. may your next hours be less painful than mine.
19:54 nubbins` also: hi
19:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5844 = 2.922 BTC [+] {2}
20:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5611 BTC [-]
20:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00082153 = 3.1218 BTC [+]
20:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 87 @ 0.0012 = 0.1044 BTC [+]
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00082187 = 2.3423 BTC [+] {2}
20:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 85 @ 0.0012 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2}
20:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56100001 = 1.122 BTC [-] {2}
20:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6395 BTC [+]
20:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56105001 = 1.1221 BTC [-] {2}
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20:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56100001 = 1.122 BTC [-]
20:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1017 @ 0.00082029 = 0.8342 BTC [-]
20:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.562 = 2.248 BTC [+]
21:02 mike_c ;;nethash
21:02 gribble 2421866.55514
21:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2003 @ 0.0008142 = 1.6308 BTC [-] {2}
21:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1334 @ 0.00081947 = 1.0932 BTC [+] {2}
21:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/#comment-95594
21:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: answered (a little less harshly)
21:16 mircea_popescu there's basically this stable of people i've humiliated over the years who somehow inexplicably figure that if they make the same types of mistakes moar
21:16 mircea_popescu it'll all wash.
21:17 asciilifeform didn't know the chap was a catalogued troll
21:18 mircea_popescu he's not really a catalogued troll, he's this kid who figures he's pretty smart
21:18 mircea_popescu who knows, in his social circle perhaps he is. obviously bitcoin is a little more demanding.
21:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 659 @ 0.00017222 = 0.1135 BTC [-]
21:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1818 @ 0.000151 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {3}
21:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00515049 = 0.103 BTC [-] {3}
21:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.562 BTC [+]
21:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.562 BTC [+]
21:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3943 @ 0.0001937 = 0.7638 BTC [-] {3}
21:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00514023 = 0.4164 BTC [-] {4}
21:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00479075 = 0.3162 BTC [-] {2}
21:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5995 BTC [+]
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00082663 = 6.861 BTC [+] {3}
22:05 kleeck Anyone have the scoop on CoinTerra?
22:05 kleeck I was told my an unreliable source that they may not be meeting their hefty NRE payment.
22:06 mircea_popescu kleeck we might have been told the same by the same unreliable source.
22:06 kleeck :)
22:06 kleeck I was hoping for a real source!
22:06 kleeck I'll scour the googlenets.
22:06 mircea_popescu nothing factual afaik. might ask the guy for your blog.
22:07 jborkl There is a reason I did not write a article
22:07 kleeck What blog is that?
22:07 kleeck jborkl, do you know anything about this?
22:07 kleeck is it all "leaked" info or what?
22:08 jborkl I went by and saw them in person
22:08 kleeck Oh?
22:08 kleeck And they were all running around, scrounging for change in the couch cushions?
22:09 mircea_popescu lol
22:09 kleeck "We're only $3,000,000 shy of making the NRE payment!"
22:10 jborkl No, they were professional and spent time answering questions
22:10 kleeck I'd expect as much.
22:10 kleeck What news did they offer you?
22:10 jborkl Well I stopped by unexpected
22:11 kleeck Did you write this up somewhere? I heard this from the infamous iCEBREAKER.
22:11 jborkl But, there were a few things keeping me from placing a order
22:11 kleeck Do tell!
22:12 jborkl The main thing, they expected to be a 100 to 200 million company, I asked what else they were making besides BTC miners and they didn't have a answer
22:13 kleeck Wha...
22:13 jborkl I just do not that is realistic since 28nm is the end of the road for now
22:14 kleeck Did they state that they have a $5M NRE payment?
22:14 jborkl No, but I did not ask about that
22:14 kleeck Hm. I'm wondering where this rumour came from. I can't find any verification.
22:16 jborkl That does sound correct. I have a good friend that works in worldwide high temp chip. I brought up making bitcoin Asic- he ran through the math for me and it did not work
22:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5621 BTC [-]
22:16 jborkl Unless you were first and took preordees
22:17 jborkl Orders
22:17 jborkl He thought $10 million to get a 28nm to market was a fair back of the napkin #
22:18 dexX7 why didn't you publish your ct reportß
22:19 jborkl Because I don't know what to say. I can not figure out if it is one or the other
22:19 jborkl They are using a plant in Taiwan for sure
22:19 jborkl Well, that is the plab
22:19 jborkl Plan
22:20 jborkl But tape out is late
22:21 kleeck Did they say why?
22:21 dexX7 I can not figure out if it is one or the other << so what is the ,"one" and the "other"?
22:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00082273 = 3.1264 BTC [-]
22:23 mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/3lHoIcQ
22:23 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
22:23 mircea_popescu where the fuck did i get that link from ?
22:23 kleeck i dont even
22:23 jborkl_ No, but I can run through some basic math, from custom mining stuff I picked up today
22:24 mircea_popescu a nm found it.
22:25 jborkl_ $320 for a board - populated and assembled. 38 GH - 15 for a clearance cooler- 15 for 1/6 of a power supply
22:25 jborkl_ And $5 misc before you buy chips. The only way it works out is if the chips are almost free
22:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5612 = 2.806 BTC [-] {2}
22:26 jborkl_ So, you can not dump $10 million at this point into development for a faster process
22:26 jborkl_ It makes no sense
22:27 mircea_popescu jborkl_ i suspect a good chunk of the people mining today are mining to obtain bitcoin, not to obtain dollars.
22:27 kleeck ^
22:27 mircea_popescu as the old saying goes, "money is no object"
22:27 kleeck It depends on the miner's goal.
22:27 jborkl_ True but they want VC money and a VC valuation
22:28 mircea_popescu yeah, this is no argument re what you were saying about cointerra
22:28 kleeck That will be difficult. THey are about three to six months too late for that, imo.
22:28 mircea_popescu but in the more general form, "you can not dump $10 million"... well, depends who you are.
22:28 jborkl_ Well that is true mp
22:28 jborkl_ I can only say if it makes sense to me
22:30 kleeck You have to keep in mind that there are miners who believe that a Bitcoin will be orders of magnitude more valuable then it currently is. So present day ROI (in fiat) isn't an issue for them.
22:31 mircea_popescu especially iof the miners come as a business expense.
22:32 jborkl_ Well, I know of in private hands- 4000 BFL chips that have no home
22:32 jborkl_ That is just what I know of
22:33 Vexual part of friedcats business has been selling big coin
22:33 jborkl_ And what I picked up today is top notch for less than $400 (not including chips)
22:34 jborkl_ Size of a postcard, maybe a little bigger
22:34 jborkl_ Oversized postcard
22:37 Vexual shits gonna start becoming a hobby even for chip manufacturers\
22:38 Vexual thisngs are quickly approaching a point where savings in chip manufacturing will have a huge impact on profitabilty
22:40 nubbins` yah
22:41 jborkl_ They were nice, had a real office in a nice building. I think the plan is to really make something
22:41 Vexual who dat?
22:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00082273 = 1.4809 BTC [-]
22:42 jborkl_ Oh where this conv really started
22:42 jborkl_ Cointerra
22:42 Vexual terra?
22:42 Vexual yah
22:42 Vexual you bought hw?
22:42 jborkl_ I just can not put all the math together to make it work for them
22:43 Vexual noone has made the pro hardware that become derigeiure yet
22:43 jborkl_ Buy that is my worry, from what I have seen in the past in btc
22:44 Vexual terra and am are positioned to make that excellent hardware in my drunken opinion
22:46 Vexual to design something now that wont last a few years is throwing money away
22:50 jborkl_ Well, that very well could be
22:50 Vexual http://www.sea-doo.com/watercraft/sea-doo-spark.html
22:50 ozbot Spark 2- or 3-Seat Personal Watercraft: Easy to Ride, Perfect for Family Fun | Sea-Doo US
22:51 Vexual half the price of a normal seadoo, same power to weight, half the energy conspumption
22:51 Vexual good design
22:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 42314 @ 0.00017178 = 7.2687 BTC [-] {11}
22:54 Vexual theres no money in rushing a half arsed design to market naymore
22:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7686 @ 0.000167 = 1.2836 BTC [-]
22:54 mircea_popescu amen to that.
22:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 50000 @ 0.0001532 = 7.66 BTC [-] {12}
23:03 mircea_popescu .d
23:03 ozbot 267731249.48242 | Next Diff in 1909 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.7543% in 10d 2h 11m 36s
23:04 Vexual its interesting to see these industrial innovations changing the new reserve currency as america loses it's grasp that was built with industrial innovation
23:05 mircea_popescu i enjoyed reading the retartdation of the us socialists
23:05 mircea_popescu "we hope the evil people insisting we stop spending money we don't have learned their lesson!!! we can never be convinced to put away the credit card!!!"
23:06 Vexual can you distill it for me here?
23:07 Vexual and when the welfare runs out all the expenses go on actual credit cards?
23:08 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260225.20
23:08 ozbot The biggest thief in the Bitcoinica debacle? MtGox
23:08 mircea_popescu the drama that just won't die
23:08 Vexual until the bank calculates that all your shitty possessions arent worth a pinch of shit
23:08 mircea_popescu Vexual well... that looks like 2014 really.
23:08 Vexual and the three retarded children are a liability
23:09 mircea_popescu im curious who the bagholders will be. amusingly, it'll prolly be places like iran
23:09 Vexual how so?
23:09 mircea_popescu well the chinese are divesting themselves slowly of us paper,
23:09 mircea_popescu i know i don't hold any
23:10 mircea_popescu watch communist korea be the main foreign holder of us issued bonds or some shit.
23:10 Vexual aust has direct currency trading with china since a few months
23:10 Vexual usa didnt even notice
23:11 VanCleef its legal to have sex with your daughter now in australia or uncle
23:11 Vexual or they said" fair enough"
23:12 Vexual i doubt that slovakistan
23:13 Vexual what may surprise you, is that it is legal here for the police to beat you to death without a trial.
23:14 Vexual so many similaities with outr geographical neighbours here in se asia
23:18 Vexual and theres a maximum iq for police officers, work that out if were not someones evil experiment into police states
23:22 Vexual luckily we have some that act dumb to get in
23:27 Vexual compare that to a similar organisation such as hezbollah
23:27 nubbins` i thought they took 30 points off if you expressed an interest in a career in law enforcement
23:29 Vexual well i guess it depends on the test, it's a two way street
23:31 BingoBoingo Who all is disturbed by Taaki's spurt of activity seemingly to rehabilitate himself?
23:31 Vexual whats a taaki?
23:33 Vexual perhaps you have touched on an allusion i am making
23:33 Vexual while the foam from aust pol and hezbollah reaches a similar height in politics, the input changes the output
23:34 Vexual and in bitcoin we have a unique, as yet untyested case
23:35 Vexual my hypothesis is that bitcoin is quite unstoppable
23:36 mircea_popescu Vexual http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/
23:38 Vexual i read thge last line, too stupid to live
23:39 mircea_popescu works.
23:39 nubbins` hahaha
23:39 nubbins` that whole last paragraph is a gas
23:40 Vexual thanks for the distillation, i was irked by reading ums and ahs
23:40 nubbins` "like uh…"
23:43 mircea_popescu So here you have like a currency, which started out from zero dollars, and there was an example like somebody bought pizza, for like thirty thousand bitcoins, and now each bitcoin is worth like ten dollars. And the reason is, is a lot of these people who are like technological people, they look at this system and they say (she says?) like wow this has like massive potential.
23:43 mircea_popescu it's really very high grade stupid distillate.
23:43 BingoBoingo First there's Taaki's Darkwallet project (Whatever the fuck makes a wallet dark, is it the melanin?) then there's his recent surge in activity on the forum.
23:43 nubbins` lel
23:43 nubbins` like wow!
23:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's a dark wallet cause he's from morocco or w/e.
23:44 Vexual heres a simple maths question
23:44 Vexual if i have 0 funds
23:45 mircea_popescu no.
23:45 Vexual then everyday for one year i earn 0.05 more than the day before, how much do I have after one year?
23:45 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Honestly I though it was a dark wallet because even light can't escape the gravity pulling them coinz to his wallet.
23:45 mircea_popescu if you have 0 funds the only answer for you is no.
23:45 Vexual lol
23:45 Vexual ok i start with 0.05 then, if you find it incomprehensible
23:45 mircea_popescu ;;calc 365*364/2 *0.05
23:45 gribble 3321.5
23:46 Vexual fast
23:46 Vexual i like how you cant do 365*365
23:46 Vexual straight pimpin
23:47 Vexual pimptax error
23:47 mircea_popescu you're drunk aren't you.
23:47 nubbins` two nights in a row!
23:47 Vexual cant play with 0
23:48 Vexual i don't talk to you every time im drunk
23:48 mircea_popescu "I am sure the lawyer is not intentionaly commiting purgery"
23:48 mircea_popescu i didn't know ver can't speal.
23:49 Vexual pergery is lawyer surgery
23:49 mircea_popescu ;;wk purgation
23:49 gribble http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/purgation | English[edit]. Noun[edit]. purgation (plural purgations). the act of purging, especially by the use of a purgative · cleansing from sin or guilt. Retrieved from ...
23:49 ozbot purgation - Wiktionary
23:49 Vexual dissecting the real
23:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Since there are many months until my next court date I took your advice. I've demoted the drive through counsel to paralegal.
23:50 mircea_popescu is she hot ?
23:51 Vexual mps lawyer tries hard to get him bail
23:52 mircea_popescu "but some people are under the mistaken assumption we (Intersango) were some kind of rich company"
23:53 nubbins` i thought it was n(n+1)/2?
23:53 mircea_popescu lol this is funnay. "o noes, some people are under the mistaken assumption we were a company and like really cool and professional and rich and shit, which is what we were trying to falsely project all along! o noes, and in fact we went splat on the cold sidewalk of reality and now our own web of lies is fucking us in the butt! how unfair!"
23:53 mircea_popescu nubbins` mircea_popescu> you're drunk aren't you.
23:54 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The actual paralegal at the firm is. The drive-through attourney is a dude so any orgasms would have to be strictly a power thing.
23:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo therein lies the proof he has more experience than you. HIS paralegal is hot.
23:54 nubbins` depends on whether it's a leap year too, i guess
23:54 Vexual one is always at an advantage when ones counsel has a vested interest in your success by measure of their own quality of life
23:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That doesn't speak for his competency though... He apparently spends more on her than the building or his "family"...
23:55 mircea_popescu maybe she's worth it.
23:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Probably
23:55 Vexual by definition
23:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5995 BTC [+]
23:57 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He sniped her away from the State's attourney's office when he left there.
23:57 nubbins` cokeheads next door sound like they're throwing each other at the walls
23:57 mircea_popescu the one da that absolutely hated me of the numerous das that didn't like me
23:57 mircea_popescu could never get past the fact that i took his secretary.
23:58 mircea_popescu the woman was probably the best at her job i ever met.
23:58 Vexual sounds like a mcafee story mp
23:58 nubbins` lel
23:58 mircea_popescu oh ?!
23:58 Vexual nubs you need a sorcerer? cokes heads are easy
23:58 nubbins` did you bury yourself in sand and place a box over your head when the da came to find his secretary?
23:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
23:59 Vexual ill have those cokeheads out and a tasty first year science student in there by two weeks
23:59 nubbins` no self-respecting science student would move in there, it's a dive
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