| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
lel, "We're goin up! Is this due to the increase in volume in China? Natural steady growth?" |
| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
yep, natural steady growth |
| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
you got it |
| 00:05 |
pankkake |
so, anyone tried Kraken? |
| 00:06 |
dub |
yea, dude ran with my money |
| 00:07 |
dub |
or do you mean kraken 2.0 |
| 00:07 |
pankkake |
kraken the exchange |
| 00:07 |
pankkake |
one of the few options to trade EUR |
| 00:08 |
dub |
yeah the one they named after the old scam one so they could ditch and blame it on harnett |
| 00:08 |
dub |
let me in on dat |
| 00:09 |
pankkake |
are they related in any way? |
| 00:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2674 @ 0.00116118 = 3.105 BTC [-] {4} |
| 00:09 |
dub |
presumably in the way that the new one is also a scam |
| 00:10 |
pankkake |
why? |
| 00:10 |
nubbins` |
because everything is a scam |
| 00:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7300022 = 1.46 BTC [-] |
| 00:10 |
dub |
otherwise you'd have expected them to change the name to one not already used by a scammer |
| 00:11 |
nubbins` |
i'm going to open an exchange called matthew n. wright |
| 00:11 |
pankkake |
meh |
| 00:11 |
dub |
my up coming exchange is called bitcoin savings and trust, catchy rite? |
| 00:12 |
kakobrekla |
im opening a buccaneer fund |
| 00:12 |
nubbins` |
is there any way i can buy shares in this exchange right now? |
| 00:12 |
pankkake |
anyway, I like their advanced market orders, I haven't seen that elsewhere |
| 00:13 |
dub |
theres two possibilities, they are so incredibly stupid that they dont recognize the brand damage or the ambiguity is intentional |
| 00:13 |
kakobrekla |
any normal trading platform has those pankkake |
| 00:14 |
dub |
either way, take my money |
| 00:14 |
kakobrekla |
dub i think you underestimate the forgetfulness of bitcointards |
| 00:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 167 @ 0.0012 = 0.2004 BTC [+] |
| 00:14 |
pankkake |
I'm sure most people never heard of the first kraken |
| 00:14 |
kakobrekla |
the name always kraks me up |
| 00:15 |
pankkake |
;) |
| 00:15 |
dub |
third option is they are on krak |
| 00:16 |
nubbins` |
i'm always tempted to buy gold with btc when the price jumps up like this |
| 00:17 |
kakobrekla |
if you got enough btc you can go long on gold with teh btc |
| 00:17 |
pankkake |
that's my plan, buy btc, then buy gold along the way |
| 00:17 |
pankkake |
And I certainly don't want gold buys to show on my bank records anyway |
| 00:18 |
kakobrekla |
what i mean is go long with btc on fx |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
pankkake: collectible coins, sure |
| 00:18 |
kakobrekla |
but you need to have a bank for that |
| 00:18 |
nubbins` |
bullion, no |
| 00:19 |
pankkake |
nubbins`: could you elaborate? |
| 00:20 |
nubbins` |
well, maybe i should back up a step |
| 00:20 |
nubbins` |
why don't you want gold buys to show up on your bank records? |
| 00:20 |
pankkake |
don't want the tax man to show up at my house one day to ""buy"" them |
| 00:21 |
nubbins` |
i'm not sure i follow |
| 00:23 |
nubbins` |
you're saying you don't want your possession of gold to be known to the govt in case they demand that you surrender it to them? |
| 00:23 |
pankkake |
yes |
| 00:23 |
dub |
just refuse |
| 00:24 |
dub |
worst case is 3 meals and a rape chaser |
| 00:24 |
pankkake |
in my country it's already impossible to buy anonymously from legit stores |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
what country |
| 00:24 |
pankkake |
France |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
ah |
| 00:24 |
nubbins` |
lovely, there's a small french colony near here |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon |
| 00:25 |
pankkake |
ooh, yes |
| 00:26 |
Namworld |
How is it impossible to buy anonymously? |
| 00:26 |
pankkake |
anyway, there are signs everywhere in the world of governments tracking gold purchases. I think some US states require identity proofs now |
| 00:26 |
pankkake |
Namworld: can't pay cash, have to provide ID card |
| 00:26 |
Namworld |
What the fuck... |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
but i mean |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
all that gold you bought, you sold again for cash |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
right? |
| 00:27 |
pankkake |
no, I'm keeping it for now |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
no, i'm the government |
| 00:27 |
nubbins` |
and now i have your gold |
| 00:27 |
pankkake |
oh, or I lost it in a boat accident? ;) |
| 00:28 |
nubbins` |
fell in a blender! who knows! |
| 00:28 |
pankkake |
sure. but if I can avoid them looking into me, all the better |
| 00:28 |
nubbins` |
well, i suppose so |
| 00:28 |
Namworld |
Oh, my gold? It was all eaten. I grind gold flakes out of my gold to decorate fancy meals for my guests. |
| 00:29 |
pankkake |
as we say, « vivons cachés, vivons heureux » (live hidden, live happy) |
| 00:29 |
nubbins` |
i wonder does that sort of thing happen often? i'm only aware of when the usa did it back in the 30s or whenever |
| 00:29 |
dub |
I like my shit to sparkle |
| 00:29 |
pankkake |
I think it was illegal to own gold at some times during WW2 in europe |
| 00:30 |
Namworld |
I require some unobtainium and an antigravity device for some project. Anyone may procure those? |
| 00:31 |
dub |
im still confused why it would matter if the govt took your gold |
| 00:31 |
dub |
at that point its not worth anything anyway |
| 00:31 |
nubbins` |
because then they'd have your gold! |
| 00:31 |
pankkake |
long term storage of value |
| 00:32 |
pankkake |
as in, 10-20+ years |
| 00:32 |
dub |
if its not legal to own it has no value |
| 00:32 |
nubbins` |
tell that to the pill dealers across the street |
| 00:32 |
dub |
beyond trading for ammo and wild turkey with other inbreeds notwithstanding |
| 00:32 |
Namworld |
You'd be surprised how little people care |
| 00:32 |
pankkake |
but it might be legal again |
| 00:32 |
pankkake |
or legal elsewhere |
| 00:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00201103 = 2.011 BTC [-] {5} |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
everyone still alive who gave the USG all their gold back in the 30s is probably pretty pissed off right now |
| 00:33 |
dub |
nubbins`: presumably pills are not a long term value store |
| 00:33 |
nubbins` |
dub: that was more in response to your not legal/no value assertion |
| 00:34 |
nubbins` |
illegality often drives up the value of items |
| 00:34 |
dub |
for a limited class of items |
| 00:35 |
pankkake |
indeed. when gold is made illegal, I'm sure people would have other concerns, like food |
| 00:35 |
nubbins` |
well, "illegal items that people desire" is itself a limited class |
| 00:35 |
pankkake |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.msg3333618#msg3333618 more KnC fail! |
| 00:35 |
ozbot |
[540 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees, Stratum, MergedMining, Private Servers |
| 00:35 |
nubbins` |
but i hear what you're saying |
| 00:36 |
dub |
drugs would probably hold quite well actually |
| 00:36 |
dub |
I'd rather starve to death high |
| 00:36 |
nubbins` |
if the grocery store isn't going to take your gold for payment, you can have as much of it as you want |
| 00:37 |
pankkake |
for how much time can you store cigarettes (or other drugs)? |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
cigarettes go stale |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
but that doesn't really matter, depending on how badly you want one |
| 00:37 |
pankkake |
"Depending on the weather condition, cigarettes can go stale within 2 or 3 weeks after opening. If unopened, they can take more than one year and still be used without any harm." |
| 00:38 |
nubbins` |
most common drugs could be stored for a year or two, if done so correctly |
| 00:38 |
pankkake |
however my place can be quite humid |
| 00:38 |
nubbins` |
yeah, that's not great |
| 00:38 |
pankkake |
so far, I'm mostly storing food |
| 00:38 |
nubbins` |
storing food is common sense, it's amazing how few people do it |
| 00:38 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 00:39 |
dub |
I've got a weeks worth, plenty to get to my DR sites |
| 00:39 |
pankkake |
yes, especially people of my generation it seems (<30yo) |
| 00:39 |
nubbins` |
well, y'know. soft lives |
| 00:39 |
pankkake |
it already helped me a few times, like less revenue for a while |
| 00:39 |
nubbins` |
yep, agreed |
| 00:40 |
dub |
knowing how to hunt and grow shit is useful |
| 00:40 |
nubbins` |
i started learning to grow food this year |
| 00:40 |
nubbins` |
potatoes, peas, tomatoes, spinach, broccoli, onion |
| 00:40 |
pankkake |
my mother does… and the stuff is delicious |
| 00:41 |
kakobrekla |
dub is saying hunt bitchez and grow ganja |
| 00:41 |
nubbins` |
also useful skills |
| 00:41 |
dub |
I have a vege garden and a bunch of seeds |
| 00:41 |
dub |
also land a few days walk away wit more extensive gardens |
| 00:41 |
kakobrekla |
no sensimilla? |
| 00:42 |
dub |
pigs, chickens, cows |
| 00:42 |
pankkake |
nice |
| 00:42 |
pankkake |
I live in a city, so not for me :/ |
| 00:43 |
nubbins` |
i have a neighbour who had chickens, the city made him stop |
| 00:43 |
pankkake |
though we have a small garden… it doesn't get much light so not sure it would work |
| 00:43 |
dub |
being on an island helps, I could feed hundreds with a few hours on the sea every day |
| 00:43 |
kakobrekla |
i live in a country with most tractors per capita, i cant get away from farms basically |
| 00:43 |
nubbins` |
pros and cons to being on an island |
| 00:43 |
nubbins` |
supply chain is very vulnerable |
| 00:44 |
dub |
what do I need that I cant kill or grow? |
| 00:44 |
pankkake |
medicine |
| 00:44 |
kakobrekla |
internets |
| 00:45 |
nubbins` |
pizza rolls |
| 00:46 |
dub |
I can swap food for pr0n, no need for internets |
| 00:47 |
nubbins` |
well, a life that only includes needs is pretty grim |
| 00:47 |
nubbins` |
you're gonna want some wants |
| 00:47 |
pankkake |
I have a few TBs of porn, I can live without |
| 00:47 |
dub |
got somegood books on medicinal plants and shit |
| 00:47 |
nubbins` |
protip: marijuana cures cancer |
| 00:48 |
dub |
I'm very well qualified to grow weed |
| 00:48 |
nubbins` |
i suspect a LOT of people into btc are preppers |
| 00:48 |
dub |
not me |
| 00:48 |
kakobrekla |
yeah a lot of nuts. |
| 00:48 |
pankkake |
indeed |
| 00:48 |
nubbins` |
kinda like gold/silver stackers |
| 00:48 |
pankkake |
nuts are delicious |
| 00:48 |
nubbins` |
lotta nuts |
| 00:49 |
kakobrekla |
and they last long in a prepper scenario |
| 00:49 |
nubbins` |
cashews are best |
| 00:49 |
nubbins` |
very delicious |
| 00:49 |
nubbins` |
and only nuts in the culinary sense, so nobody's allergic |
| 00:49 |
dub |
I basically in a volcano on active seismic fields |
| 00:49 |
dub |
live in* |
| 00:50 |
dub |
a lot of people here have emergency supplies |
| 00:50 |
kakobrekla |
yeha keep your enemies close |
| 01:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.0012 = 0.6 BTC [+] |
| 01:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.79999997 = 4.8 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:14 |
nubbins` |
bed time |
| 01:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.00736937 = 0.1179 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.0075753 = 0.2424 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00768316 = 0.2305 BTC [+] {2} |
| 01:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.42011099 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 53 minutes ~ |
| 02:09 |
Vexual |
how do gents |
| 02:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.70368581 = 24.629 BTC [-] {9} |
| 02:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0069 = 0.1725 BTC [-] |
| 02:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 126 @ 0.00670638 = 0.845 BTC [-] {6} |
| |
~ 31 minutes ~ |
| 02:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 30 @ 0.05166666 = 1.55 BTC [+] {3} |
| 02:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 66 @ 0.05001515 = 3.301 BTC [-] {3} |
| 02:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 250 @ 0.0011516 = 0.2879 BTC [-] {2} |
| 03:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+] |
| 03:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0011511 = 0.1151 BTC [-] |
| 03:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.42011099 BTC [-] |
| 03:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.42011099 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 03:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.07299989 = 0.146 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 04:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 510 @ 0.00073998 = 0.3774 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 39 minutes ~ |
| 04:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 2850 @ 0.0004 = 1.14 BTC [-] |
| 05:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00084967 = 3.9934 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 31 minutes ~ |
| 05:31 |
dub |
;;nethash |
| 05:31 |
gribble |
2172186.21189 |
| 05:34 |
dub |
;;estimate |
| 05:35 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 250661165.864 based on data since last change | 303446278.016 based on data for last three days |
| 05:35 |
dub |
;;bc,stats |
| 05:35 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 263562 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 533 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 250661165.864 | Estimated Percent Change: 32.42789 |
| |
~ 39 minutes ~ |
| 06:14 |
jurov |
;;bc,stats |
| 06:14 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 263566 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 250173034.442 | Estimated Percent Change: 32.17 |
| 06:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.7 = 2.1 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 06:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-] |
| 06:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69000001 BTC [-] |
| 06:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69000001 BTC [-] |
| 06:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69000001 = 1.38 BTC [-] |
| 07:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69000001 = 1.38 BTC [-] |
| 07:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69000001 BTC [-] |
| 07:08 |
bitesak |
;;avg price |
| 07:08 |
gribble |
Error: "avg" is not a valid command. |
| 07:09 |
bitesak |
;;ticker |
| 07:09 |
gribble |
MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 152.00576, Best ask: 152.49995, Bid-ask spread: 0.49419, Last trade: 152.00000, 24 hour volume: 31063.95478779, 24 hour low: 143.10000, 24 hour high: 153.69902, 24 hour vwap: 148.48608 |
| 07:09 |
bitesak |
;;next |
| 07:09 |
gribble |
See latest update from Onefixt here: https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle/ |
| 07:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] |
| 07:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] |
| 07:19 |
bitesak |
based on current bids for s.Nsa, based on the 1% minimum, it's a go ! |
| 07:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6825 = 2.73 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 07:39 |
dexX7 |
;;seen ThickAsThieves |
| 07:39 |
gribble |
ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> dat PMB |
| 07:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.670001 = 1.34 BTC [-] |
| 07:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 945 @ 0.00084948 = 0.8028 BTC [-] |
| 07:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.66202 = 1.9861 BTC [-] |
| 07:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.662 BTC [-] |
| 07:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bitesak yeah |
| 07:53 |
dexX7 |
what is s.nsa anyway? i have a vague impression, but that's solely based on the description of that gpg-token |
| 07:57 |
bitesak |
http://trilema.com/snsa-first-product-the-cardano did you read that already? |
| 07:57 |
ozbot |
S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 07:58 |
dexX7 |
> based on the description of that gpg-token |
| 07:58 |
dexX7 |
yup, i did |
| 07:58 |
dexX7 |
and i saw the contract on mpex |
| 07:59 |
dexX7 |
i was just wondering, if there is a document somewhere with more details :) |
| 08:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share |
| 08:01 |
bitesak |
I am all for more understanding, I guess you can list your questions if any? |
| 08:02 |
dexX7 |
i have no specific question at the moment |
| 08:05 |
bitesak |
i see it as the first physical product made through and thanks to bitcoin, other than Bitcoin coins and Tshirt branded stuff I guess. |
| 08:07 |
dexX7 |
are you an investor or "involved"? |
| 08:09 |
bitesak |
nope, I am considering it though and interested in purchasing a few for christmas :) |
| 08:10 |
dexX7 |
ah i see.. yes, the gpg-token sounds like a really neat object |
| 08:10 |
gecko_x2 |
this is interesting |
| 08:10 |
gecko_x2 |
is it MP's own design? |
| 08:10 |
bitesak |
I'll probably start with one, test it and do my best to understand it and use it as a means to promote use of GPG among friends and girlfriends |
| 08:14 |
mircea_popescu |
bitesak well, miners are more ocmplex products |
| 08:14 |
mircea_popescu |
gecko_x2 not in any significant degree. asciilifeform is the tech there. |
| 08:15 |
bitesak |
mircea_popescu, I wanted to refer to Casascius Bitcoins for the coins |
| 08:16 |
mircea_popescu |
a |
| 08:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.66200001 = 1.324 BTC [+] |
| 08:18 |
gecko_x2 |
mp, ok thx |
| 08:18 |
gecko_x2 |
yea GPG key management was always the issue |
| 08:18 |
gecko_x2 |
i remember playing with centralized key servers back in the days |
| 08:19 |
gecko_x2 |
there's just no way a normal joe sixpack can do that |
| 08:19 |
gecko_x2 |
irl |
| 08:19 |
gecko_x2 |
anyways |
| 08:19 |
gecko_x2 |
i don't even think gpg keys are the future |
| 08:20 |
gecko_x2 |
there is one thing that hasn't been mentioned at all after the snowden case |
| 08:20 |
gecko_x2 |
one thing that the NSA is totally defenceless against |
| 08:20 |
gecko_x2 |
currently only used in online banking |
| 08:21 |
gecko_x2 |
and that's OTP |
| 08:21 |
gecko_x2 |
that's the way messages was delivered during WW2 |
| 08:21 |
gecko_x2 |
and it fucking works |
| 08:21 |
gecko_x2 |
i think that a single static key as a concept is pretty much dead |
| 08:22 |
gecko_x2 |
except maybe for initially sharing the actual OTP |
| 08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
believe me, it's been mentioned. |
| 08:24 |
gecko_x2 |
not enough |
| 08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
asymmetric keys are a much better solution for poor people, however |
| 08:24 |
mircea_popescu |
because poor people can not afford to move otp keys around safely. |
| 08:24 |
gecko_x2 |
hmm |
| 08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, properly implemented pgp is still uncrackable. |
| 08:26 |
gecko_x2 |
yes |
| 08:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.663 = 1.989 BTC [+] |
| 08:26 |
gecko_x2 |
there is one new concept that the blockchain would make theoretically possible too |
| 08:27 |
gecko_x2 |
time-release encryption |
| 08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
there was a start-up last year to do this |
| 08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing came of it. |
| 08:28 |
gecko_x2 |
the blockchain could be used so that a key to a piece of data would be split into say 100000 pieces |
| 08:28 |
gecko_x2 |
51% of those pieces would be needed to decrypt |
| 08:30 |
gecko_x2 |
anyways |
| 08:31 |
gecko_x2 |
it's a very interesting concept, if you think about encrypting contracts, testimonies, wills etc |
| 08:32 |
dexX7 |
hmm.. but isn't the collection of pointers to the parts more or less similar to passwords or a key? |
| 08:32 |
gecko_x2 |
the incentive not to release the key early would be monetary |
| 08:33 |
gecko_x2 |
let's say you encrypt 'hello world', for 1 month |
| 08:33 |
gecko_x2 |
you have an altcur, called 'timecoin' |
| 08:33 |
dexX7 |
okay |
| 08:33 |
gecko_x2 |
you have say 1 second coins, 1 minute coins and 1 hour coins |
| 08:34 |
gecko_x2 |
you combine them to make up a month |
| 08:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.663 BTC [+] |
| 08:35 |
gecko_x2 |
ppl have clients where they can trade all these coins |
| 08:35 |
dexX7 |
yup |
| 08:35 |
gecko_x2 |
say there is the amount of one second coins to make up 100 years |
| 08:35 |
gecko_x2 |
same with minutes |
| 08:35 |
gecko_x2 |
same with hours |
| 08:36 |
gecko_x2 |
you encrypt the message, and the keys are freely traded globally |
| 08:36 |
gecko_x2 |
ppl have clients which holds fractional pieces of all time encrypted data |
| 08:36 |
gecko_x2 |
just fractions |
| 08:37 |
gecko_x2 |
the value of the coins can only be released after a message is decrypted at the expected time, no sooner |
| 08:37 |
gecko_x2 |
should 51% of the holders of these anonymous timecoins decide to all release them ahead of time, they would become worthless |
| 08:37 |
gecko_x2 |
something like that |
| 08:38 |
gecko_x2 |
i'm not smart enough to fully figure it out |
| 08:38 |
gecko_x2 |
so you would have on your pc a client software |
| 08:38 |
gecko_x2 |
with a portfolio of time encrypted data |
| 08:39 |
gecko_x2 |
and as the 1 month encrypted data, when it's time to decrypt |
| 08:39 |
gecko_x2 |
the client would automatically do it for you |
| 08:39 |
gecko_x2 |
so you could trade unknown future secrets |
| 08:39 |
gecko_x2 |
the speculation would be rampant |
| 08:39 |
dexX7 |
lol |
| 08:40 |
dexX7 |
i don't think i fully get it |
| 08:40 |
gecko_x2 |
well |
| 08:41 |
gecko_x2 |
it's hard to explain |
| 08:41 |
gecko_x2 |
there is an old post about the concept |
| 08:41 |
gecko_x2 |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248466.0 |
| 08:41 |
ozbot |
Time-release encryption using Bitcoin? |
| 08:41 |
gecko_x2 |
yeah |
| 08:41 |
gecko_x2 |
er |
| 08:41 |
dexX7 |
ah ty |
| 08:42 |
gecko_x2 |
but this post doesn't mention coins as i'm thinking |
| 08:42 |
gecko_x2 |
i'm thinking you make 3 altcoins |
| 08:42 |
gecko_x2 |
seconds, minutes, hours |
| 08:42 |
gecko_x2 |
to make up for let's say 500 years |
| 08:43 |
gecko_x2 |
i dunno should there be 500 years combined, or 500 years of each |
| 08:43 |
gecko_x2 |
i'm not smart enough :p |
| 08:44 |
gecko_x2 |
but each holder would only have a fraction of the future secret |
| 08:45 |
gecko_x2 |
say george soros want to encrypt something to be released 50 years after his death |
| 08:45 |
dexX7 |
is it like.. "when 2030030 second coins are mined, it's xxx date, time"? |
| 08:45 |
gecko_x2 |
fractions of keys to that data would be traded just like altcur's currently |
| 08:45 |
gecko_x2 |
yeah |
| 08:46 |
gecko_x2 |
combined with the fact that there is no incentive for all the hundreds of thousands of holders of the fractional keys to release them all ahead of time |
| 08:47 |
gecko_x2 |
they might not even know what this or that fractional key is really hiding |
| 08:47 |
gecko_x2 |
until the due date |
| 08:47 |
gecko_x2 |
man the speculation would be awesome |
| 08:47 |
gecko_x2 |
like 'i have 350 1 second keys holding soros's secret' |
| 08:48 |
gecko_x2 |
and they are trading 2500% above initial value :p |
| 08:48 |
dexX7 |
xD |
| 08:48 |
gecko_x2 |
because ppl think the secret is gonna be worth millions |
| 08:48 |
gecko_x2 |
and ofcourse, once the secret is released, the holders of the keys get to see it first |
| 08:48 |
gecko_x2 |
before the global press etc |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 09:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.66223078 = 8.609 BTC [-] {3} |
| 09:17 |
bitesak |
;;ticker |
| 09:17 |
gribble |
MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 151.00000, Best ask: 151.41001, Bid-ask spread: 0.41001, Last trade: 151.00000, 24 hour volume: 33087.00526892, 24 hour low: 143.10000, 24 hour high: 153.69902, 24 hour vwap: 148.83173 |
| 09:20 |
bitesak |
!ticker s.mpoe |
| 09:20 |
assbot |
How can I be of assistance, my poor man? |
| 09:21 |
bitesak |
;;ticker s.mpoe |
| 09:21 |
gribble |
(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message) |
| 09:28 |
mircea_popescu |
$vwap s.mpoe |
| 09:28 |
mpexbot |
mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00085005 high: 0.0008576 low: 0.00084444 volume: 42500 btc: 36.12705707 7 day: average: 0.00084643 high: 0.00085779 low: 0.00083547 volume: 912159 btc: 772.07450746 30 day: average: 0.00089086 high: 0.00094307 low: 0.0007725 volume: 4521469 btc: 4027.99396016 |
| |
~ 33 minutes ~ |
| 10:01 |
bitesak |
thanks mp, was reading on of your articles on MPOE evaluation and tried the !ticker command |
| 10:01 |
bitesak |
just discovered the The list of discontinued assets on MPEx page ! |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
| 10:05 |
mircea_popescu |
!ticker m s.bbet |
| 10:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00050025 / 0.0005293 / 0.00059999 (7055 shares, 3.73 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.00054634 / 0.00059999 (43300 shares, 23.66 BTC) |
| 10:12 |
dexX7 |
;;nethash |
| 10:12 |
gribble |
2217153.74554 |
| 10:13 |
dexX7 |
;;diffchange |
| 10:13 |
gribble |
Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 33.36436 % based on data since last change | 63.63379 % based on data for last three days |
| 10:16 |
arij_ |
that diff |
| 10:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3888 @ 0.0002479 = 0.9638 BTC [-] |
| 10:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.65974999 = 19.7925 BTC [-] {7} |
| 10:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;bcstats |
| 10:27 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 263611 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 484 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 252338232.77 | Estimated Percent Change: 33.31391 |
| 10:29 |
dexX7 |
hey tat, assuming havelock closes it's door to us issuers, too. what would you do then? |
| 10:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
we have contigency plans in place |
| 10:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
contingency* |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 10:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.006287 = 0.2452 BTC [-] |
| 11:05 |
dexX7 |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310282.msg3317569 another "signature based auth/login system" |
| 11:05 |
ozbot |
SQRL: revolutionizes web site login and authentication |
| 11:06 |
frank3 |
hi guys |
| 11:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.10293331 = 0.3088 BTC [+] {3} |
| 11:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4836778/canadian-government-we-want-to-unbundle-television-channels |
| 11:20 |
ozbot |
Canadian government: 'We want to unbundle television channels' | The Verge |
| 11:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
canada keep being the anti-US plz |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 11:42 |
nubbins` |
canadian government is acting really, really strangely lately |
| 11:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 14052 @ 0.00017036 = 2.3939 BTC [-] {14} |
| 11:42 |
nubbins` |
like, suspiciously consumer-friendly |
| 11:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.006111 = 0.6111 BTC [-] {5} |
| 11:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.65752 = 3.2876 BTC [-] {3} |
| 11:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 148 @ 0.00611005 = 0.9043 BTC [-] {4} |
| 11:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00611005 = 0.3299 BTC [-] |
| 12:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 85 @ 0.001199 = 0.1019 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 12:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.70999999 BTC [+] |
| 12:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.04500167 = 0.27 BTC [-] {2} |
| 12:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.71 = 4.26 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 12:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MG] 13600 @ 0.00018 = 2.448 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 31 minutes ~ |
| 13:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 850 @ 0.00043798 = 0.3723 BTC [+] {4} |
| 13:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00084656 = 6.5185 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 33 minutes ~ |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4eCqcXjlX4 |
| 14:04 |
ozbot |
Au demolat-o - YouTube |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
romanian expert techniques. |
| 14:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00645 = 1.29 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 52 minutes ~ |
| 15:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0065 = 0.182 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 15:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5000 @ 0.00116222 = 5.8111 BTC [-] {2} |
| 15:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00645228 = 0.271 BTC [-] {3} |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.71898988 = 2.876 BTC [+] {2} |
| 15:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00679972 = 1.3055 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
| 16:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 122 @ 0.00116151 = 0.1417 BTC [-] |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0069999 = 0.182 BTC [+] |
| 16:12 |
kleeck |
.d |
| 16:12 |
ozbot |
189281249.28103 | Next Diff in 425 blocks | Estimated Change: 34.1303% in 1d 22h 27m 50s |
| |
~ 40 minutes ~ |
| 16:52 |
bob_ |
;;24hprc |
| 16:52 |
gribble |
Error: "24hprc" is not a valid command. |
| 16:53 |
bob_ |
;;bc,24hprc |
| 16:53 |
gribble |
142.87 |
| 17:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-] |
| 17:12 |
bob_ |
mircea_popescu: so tomorrow there will basically be a sell order for 100m s.nsa at 0.0001 that will stay up until the 20th and then be removed? |
| 17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much |
| 17:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.73249999 = 7.325 BTC [+] {5} |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 17:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 0.06398 = 0.4479 BTC [+] |
| 17:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 0.06398 = 0.4479 BTC [+] |
| 17:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 85 @ 0.05 = 4.25 BTC [-] |
| 17:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.06398999 = 0.256 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 18:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00697 = 0.4112 BTC [-] |
| 18:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 747 @ 0.00119998 = 0.8964 BTC [+] {3} |
| 18:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 150 @ 0.00699999 = 1.05 BTC [+] {2} |
| 18:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.42 = 1.26 BTC [-] |
| 18:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-] |
| 18:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 150 @ 0.007 = 1.05 BTC [+] |
| 18:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/ |
| 18:55 |
ozbot |
BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014 |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
sorta even odds. |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
what's asicminer worth at 1bn diff ? |
| 18:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
42 |
| 18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
for that matter how many hashes is 1bn |
| 18:58 |
nubbins` |
42 |
| 18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png |
| 18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. look at THAT |
| 18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i recall the days when there were ups and down, those bumps you can barely see now |
| 18:59 |
nubbins` |
that's quite the graph |
| 18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so 1bn diff is like 7peta hash/s |
| 19:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
people will still be mining with block erupters |
| 19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500 |
| 19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
the fastest computer in the world does like 33tflops |
| 19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
there's what, like 7 flops to the hash ? |
| 19:02 |
mircea_popescu |
basically bitcoin is currently drinking more computing power than all the rest of the computing world combined or some shit. |
| 19:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
so when can the nethash start cracking into bank accounts? |
| 19:03 |
nubbins` |
42 |
| 19:03 |
nubbins` |
(hours) |
| 19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose this is the part us "regulators" will have to figure out soon enough : |
| 19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
don't piss off btc or else you may not have two codes left standing together. |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 19:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.00697 = 0.1115 BTC [-] |
| 19:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 30 @ 0.06398999 = 1.9197 BTC [+] |
| 19:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12639 @ 0.00020643 = 2.6091 BTC [-] {4} |
| 19:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2951 @ 0.00019662 = 0.5802 BTC [-] {5} |
| 19:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15540 @ 0.00018095 = 2.812 BTC [-] {8} |
| 19:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 337 @ 0.0022 = 0.7414 BTC [+] {2} |
| 19:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.703 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 20:06 |
nubbins` |
http://op-co.de/blog/posts/android_ssl_downgrade/ |
| 20:06 |
ozbot |
Why Android SSL was downgraded from AES256-SHA to RC4-MD5 in late 2010 |
| 20:15 |
kakobrekla |
http://cmd.fm/ |
| 20:15 |
kakobrekla |
this is cool |
| 20:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 231 @ 0.00692115 = 1.5988 BTC [+] {5} |
| 20:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00699989 = 0.462 BTC [+] {2} |
| 20:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.000181 = 0.905 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 20:53 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 181 @ 0.00674767 = 1.2213 BTC [-] {5} |
| 20:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 257 @ 0.00677096 = 1.7401 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.0068 = 0.6324 BTC [+] |
| 21:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.000844 = 3.798 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 30 minutes ~ |
| 21:45 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00670001 = 0.2412 BTC [-] |
| 21:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00084398 = 1.8146 BTC [-] {2} |
| 22:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00671001 = 0.1879 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 22:35 |
kakobrekla |
when kraken fund went bust http://25.media.tumblr.com/9dcbfb570e27476b56d967de85d75488/tumblr_mk2vczTeQg1ql2603o1_500.gif |
| 22:37 |
Vexual |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjvCPfrXEsI |
| 22:37 |
ozbot |
Gargoyle - Drown - YouTube |
| 22:49 |
kakobrekla |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310523.0 |
| 22:49 |
ozbot |
A web-wallet operator willing to betray his users |
| 22:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC [-] |
| 22:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 354 @ 0.00229002 = 0.8107 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 23:16 |
Vexual |
0 users affected |
| 23:24 |
kakobrekla |
i thought it was a bit funny, taaki quoting mpoe-pr now |
| 23:24 |
Vexual |
is it impossible to have a bitcoin daemon serveice where the user retains any instance of the private keys? |
| 23:24 |
Vexual |
without the blockchain |
| 23:25 |
kakobrekla |
hm? |
| 23:25 |
Vexual |
on the user device |
| 23:25 |
kakobrekla |
im sure wallets allow you to dump priv key? |
| 23:25 |
Vexual |
yes, but imagine a web sevice where they never see they privkey |
| 23:25 |
Vexual |
is it possible? |
| 23:26 |
kakobrekla |
you take that feature away and voila? |
| 23:26 |
Vexual |
user has private key. service provides blockchain |
| 23:27 |
kakobrekla |
dunno if theres such implementation online atm but its possible |
| 23:27 |
kakobrekla |
js or whatever client to sign the txes and use external service to relay them |
| 23:28 |
kakobrekla |
i think some services allow you to rely a tx |
| 23:28 |
kakobrekla |
and others to craft your own tx |
| 23:34 |
Vexual |
a lite node? |
| 23:36 |
kakobrekla |
hm? |
| 23:36 |
kakobrekla |
you dont need a node |
| 23:36 |
Vexual |
why do i need to blockchain to make a tx if i rely on miners anyway? |
| 23:37 |
kakobrekla |
to know whats on teh priv key |
| 23:38 |
Vexual |
an online service could say yes |
| 23:38 |
Vexual |
and the miner puts it in stone |
| 23:40 |
Vexual |
i need the blockchain to sign? |
| 23:41 |
kakobrekla |
technically, no |
| 23:42 |
Vexual |
there must be something im missing, i don't even fully understand bitcoin when im sober, im not too proud to say |
| 23:43 |
kakobrekla |
https://coinb.in/send-raw-transaction.html |
| 23:43 |
ozbot |
Send a Raw Bitcoin Transaction via Coinbin |
| 23:43 |
kakobrekla |
https://coinb.in/create-raw-transaction.html |
| 23:43 |
ozbot |
Create a Raw Bitcoin Transaction via Coinbin |
| 23:44 |
Vexual |
never heard of coinbin |
| 23:45 |
kakobrekla |
well it does what you are saying |
| 23:45 |
kakobrekla |
more tech stuff here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Raw_Transactions |
| 23:46 |
Vexual |
yeah so it's possible |
| 23:46 |
kakobrekla |
i said so at the begining. |
| 23:47 |
Vexual |
yes |
| 23:47 |
Vexual |
i wasnt sure if i was being retarded |
| 23:52 |
Vexual |
it seems a 1 in 6 miner could provide a service like this with benefits and an isos app for the designer handbag set, with a nfc standard. |
| 23:53 |
Vexual |
how many pools are there these days? |
| 23:53 |
kakobrekla |
oh lol |
| 23:53 |
kakobrekla |
http://shrani.si/f/2T/My/3FdlPJ3L/predictious.png |
| 23:53 |
kakobrekla |
your attention to detail Luke-Jr, admirable |
| 23:53 |
Vexual |
thats not even a word |
| 23:55 |
Vexual |
its a nfc not an nfc, just like its mouses not mices |
| 23:56 |
kakobrekla |
Vexual |
| 23:56 |
kakobrekla |
http://bitcoincharts.com/ |
| 23:56 |
ozbot |
Bitcoin Charts |
| 23:56 |
kakobrekla |
see hashrate distribution |
| 23:56 |
kakobrekla |
and laern to google! |
| 23:56 |
kakobrekla |
:> |
| 23:57 |
Vexual |
maybe 13 |
| 23:58 |
Vexual |
we both know it's not many |
| 23:58 |
Vexual |
and luke jr would have a lot less without the bots |
| 23:59 |
kakobrekla |
asicminer is tiny compared to ghash and ghash is basically fury only |
| 23:59 |
Vexual |
ghash fuckin owns |
| 23:59 |
kakobrekla |
im there yea |
| 23:59 |
Vexual |
how much you got? |