#trilema | 2013-10-11

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00:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 193 @ 0.001183 = 0.2283 BTC [-] {6}
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00:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1413 @ 0.00084932 = 1.2001 BTC [-]
01:07	BingoBoingo	Also, GANGBANGRipeMD.py found a sixth address that could have created that signature for the message.
01:07	dexX7	lol
01:07	dexX7	how did you write the message anywaay?
01:08	BingoBoingo	dexX7: I just signed it in Multibit. Some rando on CoinChat pointed out Brainwallet attributes the signature to another address.
01:09	dexX7	no, i mean.. from where is the text you signed?
01:09	BingoBoingo	dexX7: I wrote it.
01:09	dexX7	my keyboard produces a different ´ than the one you used
01:09	dexX7	’ vs ´
01:09	BingoBoingo	dexX7: I use the retard 'Murican version of a keyboard.
01:10	dexX7	any special editor like word or so?
01:11	BingoBoingo	dexX7: Nope, just Vim
01:20	BingoBoingo	;;bc
01:20	gribble	Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
01:20	BingoBoingo	;; bc stats
01:20	gribble	Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
01:21	BingoBoingo	;;
01:29	BingoBoingo	So. I thought about pricing GANGBANGRipeMD.py but I'm going to hold off.
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01:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 141 @ 0.00118047 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {2}
02:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.95294443 = 15.2471 BTC [-] {6}
02:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00084932 = 0.7219 BTC [-]
02:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0090237 = 0.9024 BTC [-] {4}
02:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.92955099 = 9.2955 BTC [-] {5}
02:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00901501 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
02:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.009015 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
02:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.0008502 = 3.9534 BTC [+] {3}
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02:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5090 @ 0.00085207 = 4.337 BTC [+]
03:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00230001 = 0.2783 BTC [+]
03:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0023 = 0.23 BTC [-]
03:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 469 @ 0.00210136 = 0.9855 BTC [-] {5}
03:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00909385 = 1.3641 BTC [+] {4}
03:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.92000002 = 2.76 BTC [-]
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03:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.09055501 = 0.3622 BTC [-] {3}
03:39	BingoBoingo	After taking a walk and reflecting I have updated my posts on the Bitcoin Address signed message deal. Whole venture seems less than useless the more I read about the problems.
03:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.09011001 = 0.1802 BTC [-]
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04:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0008515 = 2.001 BTC [-] {2}
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04:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16297 @ 0.00085346 = 13.9088 BTC [+] {3}
04:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153 @ 0.00085477 = 0.1308 BTC [+]
04:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00085477 = 4.1029 BTC [+] {2}
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05:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00084861 = 4.0309 BTC [-] {3}
06:00	phish	.d
06:00	ozbot	189281249.28103 \| Next Diff in 1176 blocks \| Estimated Change: 21.0500% in 6d 10h 42m 28s
06:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00085477 = 2.0087 BTC [+]
06:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3012 @ 0.00084704 = 2.5513 BTC [-]
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06:33	mircea_popescu	so what happens when diff overflows longint on 32bit platforms ?
06:36	jurov	mircea_popescu: isn't it float?
06:36	mircea_popescu	a
06:36	mircea_popescu	i dunno if its implemented as two ints or a float or what
06:37	jurov	yes, maybe something can overflow in process of converting it from past hashrate
06:38	mircea_popescu	if its a fgloat i guess we're safe, good up to 10^38 if memory serves
06:40	jurov	they seem to use bignums (via own library)
06:42	mircea_popescu	well that's reassuring.
06:43	mircea_popescu	so what happens when diff overflows random quirky implementation of bignums on 32bit platforms ?
06:44	jurov	...
06:44	mircea_popescu	the diff overflows!!1
06:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5625 @ 0.00084567 = 4.7569 BTC [-] {2}
06:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00084616 = 3.5589 BTC [+]
07:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00084616 = 6.6 BTC [+]
07:08	mircea_popescu	lmao JPM posts a loss
07:08	mircea_popescu	on LEGAL charges.
07:09	mircea_popescu	dear all... i think you'd better review your legal budged. it jpm can't quite afford it...
07:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6182 @ 0.00084616 = 5.231 BTC [+]
07:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 250 @ 0.08522245 = 21.3056 BTC [-] {9}
07:25	KRS-	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L89IDDq30J8
07:25	ozbot	Good Morning Song - YouTube
07:26	KRS-	Good morning from the 'states
07:32	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/bad-news-for-jpm/
07:32	ozbot	Bad news for JPM pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
07:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.00883557 = 0.9807 BTC [-] {6}
07:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.00084573 = 6.0114 BTC [-] {2}
08:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
08:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00085081 = 4.0413 BTC [+]
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08:44	davout	mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/trilema.com
08:45	mircea_popescu	ty. lessee here
08:46	mircea_popescu	davout i see it atm. jus a leetal bit of flooding
08:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5500 @ 0.0001811 = 0.9961 BTC [-] {3}
08:55	ThickAsThieves	heh "iPhone 5S users report 'Blue Screen Of Death' reboots"
08:56	mircea_popescu	apple is now microsoft!
08:56	ThickAsThieves	from Gox "Finally, the implementation of this new infrastructure is a prerequisite before we can initiate Midas. There is still a lot of work to be done before we can launch Midas but rest assured this is a priority project for us. Once Midas is up and running we will be able to offer the trading of other digital currencies."
08:56	ThickAsThieves	reddite response: "Would be nice if they started trading bitcoin first."
08:58	mircea_popescu	lol
08:58	davout	lol
08:59	Scrat	lol
09:01	mircea_popescu	dude the unending deluge of retared socialist propaganda on the topic of the us budget.
09:01	pankkake	so still no communication on widthdrawal issues? it looks like even eur is taking a lot of time
09:01	mircea_popescu	pankkake don't worry, it's a priority.
09:01	Scrat	pankkake: victims have to deposit so that the other victims can withdraw
09:02	ThickAsThieves	http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/8/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-16008-1381258970-14.gif
09:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.000852 = 6.3474 BTC [+] {2}
09:02	mircea_popescu	Scrat also a priority.
09:03	ThickAsThieves	http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr02/8/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-21971-1381259005-9.gif
09:03	pankkake	about the shutdown thank god I follow zero traditional media
09:03	pankkake	the only thing to say is "Washington Monument syndrome"
09:04	ThickAsThieves	the whole page gets pretty funny http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-whitest-things-that-have-ever-happened
09:04	mircea_popescu	"Obama and his urbanized, racially diverse supporters are transforming America into something unrecognizable"
09:04	mircea_popescu	get a load of that shit. obama at 37%, one over bush's career low, has supporters now ?
09:05	mircea_popescu	the perpetually-on-welfare, illegal immigrants and all the rest of the "low information voter" scum is urbanized >?
09:05	mircea_popescu	what the fuck is wrong with people.
09:05	pankkake	illegal immigrants vote?
09:05	mircea_popescu	in the us they do, yes.
09:05	pankkake	in the journalist' mind racially diverse supporters are
09:05	mircea_popescu	twice.
09:06	mircea_popescu	once illegally and once imigratorily.
09:06	pankkake	transforming America into something unrecognizable and urbanized is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate
09:06	pankkake	ugh wrong paste
09:06	mircea_popescu	what annoys me most is that the prostitute i quoted is a) a pulizer prize winner and b) not actually getting paid for his sexual services.
09:07	pankkake	in the journalists' minds "racially diverse" and "urbanized" is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate
09:07	mircea_popescu	i'm aware.
09:10	pankkake	lol at stolen pony
09:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4190 @ 0.00085056 = 3.5638 BTC [-]
09:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 574 @ 0.00115592 = 0.6635 BTC [-] {5}
09:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 147 @ 0.00111201 = 0.1635 BTC [-] {4}
09:34	turbo_ac100
09:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00085008 = 2.1252 BTC [-] {2}
09:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3462 @ 0.00085142 = 2.9476 BTC [+] {2}
09:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0088 = 0.1584 BTC [-]
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0088 = 0.22 BTC [-]
09:53	ThickAsThieves	"Rockstar offers $500,000 of in-game cash to frustrated GTA Online players" SEC gonna step in?
09:54	mircea_popescu	lol. definitely.
09:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085229 = 3.4944 BTC [+] {2}
10:11	test675	hi
10:11	test675	anyone in here?
10:14	mircea_popescu	yes
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.008821 = 0.2823 BTC [+]
10:33	lewicki	.D
10:33	lewicki	.d
10:33	ozbot	189281249.28103 \| Next Diff in 1149 blocks \| Estimated Change: 20.2755% in 6d 8h 34m 33s
10:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.009 = 0.333 BTC [+]
10:38	ThickAsThieves	nothing new but http://bitcoinexaminer.org/bitfunder-com-is-closing-all-activities-to-united-states-users/
10:39	mircea_popescu	o hey, there's an examiner now ? who runs it mike magee ?
10:41	ThickAsThieves	another courtroom masterpiece http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/131009-internet-drugs-6p.photoblog600.jpg
10:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.99999799 = 2 BTC [+]
10:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00085218 = 2.5991 BTC [-]
10:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.999998 BTC [+]
10:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.999998 BTC [+]
10:50	mircea_popescu	is the judge that derpy ? and who's black ? dpr was a white kid
10:51	ThickAsThieves	the public defender
10:51	ThickAsThieves	i think that artist draws with a derpy pen, no avoiding it
10:52	mircea_popescu	lol that's a new one
10:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.99999799 = 9 BTC [-]
10:52	mircea_popescu	"i'd love to go out on a date, but you've been drawn with the derpy pen"
10:52	mircea_popescu	wait the oliver twist figure on the left is dpr ?
10:53	ThickAsThieves	yes
10:54	mircea_popescu	i regret cubist court painters never took off.
10:54	ThickAsThieves	i like the purple halo everyone has
10:55	ThickAsThieves	sweet bowtie on the judge too
10:57	ThickAsThieves	holy crap http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/absurd-creature-6-foot-salamander/
10:57	Rulother	I would eat it
10:58	mircea_popescu	the way the economy is going, you may have to.
10:58	ThickAsThieves	i wasnt aware an amphibian could be so large
10:58	Rulother	That guy's left hand looks to be in a, bad position.
11:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.99999999 BTC [+]
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.415 BTC [+]
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.00919999 = 0.138 BTC [+]
11:15	KRS1	in Miami, Florida we have these big monitor type lizards that get to be that big..they've become a bit of a problem..people got them as small pets and let them go into the wild to reproduce.
11:16	KRS1	i've seen them 4-6 ft..thats a big damn lizard.
11:16	kakobrekla	you are in miami?
11:17	mircea_popescu	they're a problem in costa rica too. they tend to play in the sewage pipes and sometiems get stuck.
11:18	ThickAsThieves	but lizards are not amphibians
11:18	ThickAsThieves	large reptiles are wellknown
11:19	mircea_popescu	wasnt this found in water ?
11:19	KRS1	true but its cool these things sometimes cross the street in the middle of a big city
11:20	KRS1	heres what im seeing http://www.newsytype.com/8404-monitor-lizards-florida/
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.001199 = 0.1199 BTC [+]
11:21	KRS1	better that thing smell like pepper than body odor
11:33	matthew_boyd	o/
11:33	matthew_boyd	;seen mircea_popescu
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 12 @ 0.00900001 = 0.108 BTC [-]
11:34	matthew_boyd	;;seen mircea_popescu
11:34	gribble	mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> wasnt this found in water ?
11:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.009 = 0.144 BTC [-]
11:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 295 @ 0.00085102 = 0.2511 BTC [-]
11:53	jcpham	http://youtu.be/RBqjZ0KZCa0
11:53	ozbot	Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids - YouTube
11:53	jcpham	and be held accountable
11:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00880275 = 0.4313 BTC [-] {3}
12:02	jborkl	Mircea_popescu, you around?
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 54 @ 0.42999999 = 23.22 BTC [-] {2}
12:14	ThickAsThieves	http://thegenesisblock.com/coinlab-files-response-mt-gox-lawsuit/
12:14	ozbot	CoinLab Files Response in Mt. Gox Lawsuit - The Genesis Block
12:15	matthew_boyd	o/ ThickAsThieves
12:17	nubbins`	hi
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.09 = 0.45 BTC [+]
12:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00923698 = 0.157 BTC [+] {2}
12:21	phungus	I wish Havelock would respond to ANY of BitVPS's queries about possibly moving to their exchange
12:21	phungus	Anyone here associated with Havelock?
12:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.091 = 0.91 BTC [-]
12:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00085326 = 3.5837 BTC [+] {2}
12:22	kakobrekla	phungus: topace
12:23	phungus	topace
12:23	phungus	gotcha
12:23	phungus	thanks
12:23	topace	yes ?
12:23	topace	oh
12:23	topace	our emails have been down
12:23	topace	for 2 days
12:23	topace	DDOS
12:23	phungus	hey. Namworld has been emailing for weeks though
12:23	topace	our inbound emails
12:23	phungus	I think
12:23	topace	oh
12:23	phungus	ever since the BTCT announcement
12:23	topace	we arent taking on any new listings at the moment
12:23	phungus	we have shareholders that are screwed atm
12:23	phungus	oh crap
12:23	phungus	:-(
12:23	topace	until we figure out our regulatory situation
12:23	phungus	that is sad because BitVPS is a legit, real company
12:23	arij	O_o
12:23	topace	indeed
12:24	arij	halp
12:24	topace	hold tight
12:24	topace	once we get our emails back up
12:24	topace	we're close to finalizing details with our lawyers
12:24	phungus	well that is good
12:24	topace	and should have answers soon
12:24	phungus	we would love to grace your exchange with our ticket
12:24	topace	and _hopefully_ can oepn back up applications
12:24	phungus	ticker
12:24	phungus	:-)
12:25	topace	but we will NOT carte-blanche accept all listings from btct/bf, normal due diligence rules will still apply
12:25	phungus	yeah, understood
12:25	topace	historicallyl we
12:25	matthew_boyd	I have an alt-coin ticker. :D
12:25	phungus	like I said before, we're probably one of the only 'real' businesses
12:25	topace	historically, we've rejected about 90% of applicants
12:25	topace	yea
12:25	phungus	and we've been around for 2 years now
12:25	topace	i like bitvps
12:25	topace	i have a vps with you :p
12:25	phungus	hah
12:25	phungus	werd
12:25	phungus	well, at least we know where it stands now
12:25	topace	i originally tried to use it to run my websocket from, but gave up, and went to pusher.com
12:26	phungus	topace: we have some new dedi offerings that are about to be ready that might work better
12:26	phungus	48GB ram, quad cores
12:26	phungus	I bet that would be enough
12:26	phungus	:-)
12:27	arij	dual quadcore
12:27	arij	*
12:27	phungus	but also, it depends on the tech underneath. We have SSD nodes, KVM. Xen, and OpenVZ
12:27	phungus	yes, dual quad cores
12:27	phungus	for under $200/mo
12:27	phungus	I think
12:27	arij	thats right :)
12:27	topace	brb phone
12:31	nubbins`	http://bitbet.us/bet/552/havelock-will-announce-us-restrictions-by-guy-fawkes/
12:31	ozbot	BitBet - Havelock will announce US restrictions by Guy Fawkes Night
12:37	topace	heh cna i use insider knowledge to bet ?
12:38	jimmy2k	damn shit, i just saw someone who won a 1 - 10 odds bet 40 times in a row
12:38	topace	guess there's no wya of stopping me
12:38	jimmy2k	on just-dice wtf?
12:38	nubbins`	topace: you sure can!
12:38	phungus	lol
12:38	phungus	so
12:38	phungus	watch bitbet currently
12:38	mircea_popescu	;;later tell jborkl yeah
12:38	gribble	The operation succeeded.
12:38	phungus	watch what happens after topace bets
12:39	phungus	all of us benefit
12:39	phungus	lol
12:39	phungus	Weighted No: 23`297
12:39	phungus	Weighted Yes: 35`904
12:39	phungus	Current weight: 91`025 ( from 100`000 to 1 )
12:39	phungus	Confirmed bets: 5 ( No: 2 / Yes: 3 )
12:39	phungus	ok
12:39	nubbins`	watch what happens when i place a 1btc bet and everyone thinks it's topace
12:39	phungus	so there is our start
12:39	phungus	lol
12:39	phungus	only 5 bets so far
12:40	jimmy2k	is dooglus here sometimes?
12:41	mircea_popescu	yeah, occasionally.
12:41	jcpham	when is guy fawkes night and who the fuck is guy fawkes
12:41	jimmy2k	how is his nick then mircea_popescu ?
12:41	jimmy2k	like in the forum?
12:42	jimmy2k	;;seen dooglus?
12:42	gribble	I have not seen dooglus?.
12:42	ThickAsThieves	he's almost never here
12:42	mircea_popescu	it
12:42	mircea_popescu	s dooglus
12:43	mircea_popescu	;;seen dooglus
12:43	gribble	dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
12:43	mircea_popescu	lolk
12:43	jimmy2k	i really think there is an issue with the random generator
12:44	jimmy2k	how freakin unlikely is it that someone wins a 1-9 odds bet 40 times in a row
12:44	nubbins`	jcpham: november 5, duh!
12:44	nubbins`	bonfire night
12:44	nubbins`	;;seen dooglus
12:44	mircea_popescu	you know how to calculate those odds ?
12:44	gribble	dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
12:44	jimmy2k	1/9^40
12:44	jcpham	oic
12:45	jimmy2k	actully its 1/10^40
12:45	jimmy2k	thats really not realistic
12:45	jimmy2k	...
12:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00084991 = 4.717 BTC [-] {2}
12:46	mircea_popescu	that
12:46	nubbins`	ie-40!
12:46	mircea_popescu	s not exactly correct tho
12:46	nubbins`	i mean, 1e-40
12:47	mircea_popescu	did the person do the same exact thing ?
12:48	mircea_popescu	i mean, having 1 come out of 40 consecutive 1-10 rolls is not the same as having a player always bet on the correct outcome 40 times in a row
12:48	ThickAsThieves	the odds are 1:9, each time. Simple!
12:48	nubbins`	well, yes
12:48	mircea_popescu	but that aside, we have had all sorts of doubts and suspicions about that for months now.
12:48	nubbins`	each individual roll is 1:9
12:48	nubbins`	40 in a row, though
12:49	nubbins`	infinitesimally small
12:49	mircea_popescu	this includes dooglus himself, but so far nobody's proven much
12:49	nubbins`	although obv just as likely to happen as any other given 40-roll combo
12:49	nubbins`	sometimes you get a royal flush
12:49	mircea_popescu	nubbins` there's a l'hospital rule which tells you what are the odds of Y probabilty event occuring in X tries.
12:49	nubbins`	yep
12:49	nubbins`	<--math degree
12:50	mircea_popescu	aha. so ok. out of what, 10^7 bets or so ?
12:50	mircea_popescu	40 consecutive 1's in a 1-10 roll are still pretty darn unlikely.
12:50	jimmy2k	i will upload the screen in the forum as soon as i am at home
12:50	jurov	phungus, namworld: why "pls halp"? just track the shares on your own... problem solved
12:50	jimmy2k	honestly this is crazy
12:51	mircea_popescu	jimmy2k one thing you can do is simulate it.
12:51	mircea_popescu	they allow 0 btc bets iirc.
12:51	mircea_popescu	you can run that for a while and see the quality.
12:51	Bunnyh	jimmy2k: maybe you had your filter set up so that you only saw the wins?
12:51	phungus	jurov: I've thought about that
12:51	Bunnyh	if you filter for btc won, not btc risked
12:51	phungus	jurov: not sure we have the resources, honestly
12:51	jurov	phungus" i
12:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 65 @ 0.07320179 = 4.7581 BTC [-] {20}
12:52	jurov	phungus i can make you an app for simple registration and shares transfers
12:52	jurov	for, say, 5btc
12:52	jurov	aint rocket science
12:52	phungus	jurov: hmmmm
12:52	phungus	jurov: I will discuss this with the others
12:52	phungus	jurov: thx
12:53	jurov	no trade engine necessary
12:53	mircea_popescu	so here's the beauty of american courts. in May Coinlab sues MtGox. In SEPTEMBER!!! MtGox replies.
12:53	mjr_	lol
12:54	mjr_	how is everyone
12:54	mircea_popescu	on the other hand, in August USG sues pirate, the same day the judge rules and the sentence is passed.
12:54	mircea_popescu	i gotta buy my own magistrate judges, this is a scandal.
12:54	mjr_	its funny
12:54	mjr_	in pakistan, one of the things the taliban offered the people was prompt speedy court trials
12:54	mjr_	and the people supported them because of that
12:55	mjr_	because it was possible to die of old age before getting your day in court in pakistan
12:55	mjr_	of course, the taliban did not turn out to be the nice helpful people one would have hoped for
12:55	mjr_	but still, access to speedy redress by law is a big need for people
12:55	mircea_popescu	ya well herp. tyvm but a court system that waits after hours to suck govt cock, like the recent lavabit case
12:55	mircea_popescu	and then does jack shit in private cases... heh. tyvm, but no.
12:55	mjr_	yeah
12:56	mjr_	i agree
12:56	nubbins`	well, govt is govt
12:56	mjr_	my point is that when courts start sucking this bad, people will even support the taliban to get the services they need
12:56	nubbins`	provincial govt here has a nice trick where they issue press releases at 4:30pm on fridays
12:56	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/
12:56	ozbot	So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:56	nubbins`	so media doesn't get around to serious coverage til the following monday
12:56	mircea_popescu	check that shit out. the judge actually sat around thje courthouse after closing time to write orders
12:57	jborkl	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg3320083#msg3320083
12:57	ozbot	[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
12:57	mircea_popescu	mjr_ you prolly have a poin there.
12:57	jborkl	fancy new bitcoin accounting
12:57	nubbins`	hahahahahahaha
12:57	nubbins`	sales include promises to buy
12:58	nubbins`	sweet
12:58	mircea_popescu	an0 or death.
12:58	nubbins`	"so basically if you abandoned your shopping cart because you wanted a cointerra instead, ken is still counting your order as a sale"
12:58	nubbins`	lel
12:58	jborkl	I think PR needs to get involved in that one :)
12:58	mircea_popescu	nubbins` any editor worth his salt would in response make fridays workdays 8am to 8pm and give ppl tuesday of
12:59	mircea_popescu	jborkl selfmod threads get ignored.
12:59	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: then how are they supposed to write indignant editorials?
12:59	jborkl	ah, did not notice that
12:59	mircea_popescu	you just lock them in the office. "you leave here once you've covered the prs"
13:00	mircea_popescu	make it clear that as long as the provincial govt continues with the practice, everyone's weekeend is shot.
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
13:01	nubbins`	ooh, i've been selected for a free cruise to the bahamas!
13:02	nubbins`	all i must do is press 1 to participate in a survey!!
13:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00085477 = 1.3249 BTC [+]
13:02	nubbins`	i used to hang up on calls like this, now i just lay the phone down and let the robocaller time out
13:02	mircea_popescu	sorry nubs, the bahamas is shutdown
13:02	mircea_popescu	because it is part of the OCEAN
13:02	nubbins`	yeah afaik the usa claims jurisdiction over oceans
13:03	nubbins`	because americans drink water
13:03	mircea_popescu	seems reasonable.
13:05	jborkl	so if someone in Africa pees in the ocean , is that a act of terror?
13:05	jborkl	threat level yellow
13:05	nubbins`	we pump raw sewage into the ocean here, we're probably on all types of lists
13:05	jborkl	of are you French?
13:06	jborkl	oh
13:06	mircea_popescu	the japanese pumped fukushima waste water into the ocean
13:06	mircea_popescu	terrorists.
13:06	nubbins`	nah canadian
13:06	nubbins`	TBF they built a sewage treatment plant
13:06	nubbins`	but of course the contractors fucked it up and it's been shut down until it can be fixed
13:07	jborkl	I went of vacation to Martinugue, they still have open sewer systems draining down the side of the road :/
13:07	nubbins`	:0
13:07	jborkl	Martinique
13:07	nubbins`	my apartment in second-best korea was near an open sewer
13:08	nubbins`	the smell still reminds me of that place
13:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00085477 = 2.5216 BTC [+]
13:10	mircea_popescu	do you mean that in a good way ?
13:10	ThickAsThieves	The inability of people to follow directions is appalling
13:11	nubbins`	nah
13:11	mircea_popescu	jesus twitter is almost as stupid as reddit by now.
13:11	nubbins`	while i appreciate the experience, i had an overall negative experience while living in SK
13:12	nubbins`	now the smell of sewage reminds me of bad times
13:12	nubbins`	which, i suppose, is fitting
13:12	mircea_popescu	what were you doing there anyway ?
13:12	nubbins`	same thing every canadian with a university degree was doing
13:12	nubbins`	teaching english
13:12	mircea_popescu	scoring cheap azn cunt for packaged consumer goods ?
13:12	mircea_popescu	or that.
13:12	nubbins`	and that
13:13	nubbins`	plenty of "party girls" karaoke bars
13:13	nubbins`	anyway, relatively high pay, relatively low cost of living
13:14	nubbins`	you can get drunk every night, eat out every day, and still send home $1000+ per month
13:14	mircea_popescu	ya but you're surrouinded by idiots and wasting your time.
13:15	nubbins`	well, that's only half true
13:15	nubbins`	(half the people are idiots and half your time is wasted)
13:15	mircea_popescu	lol
13:15	nubbins`	i'm of two minds on the whole thing
13:16	nubbins`	it was my first time travelling to a foreign country alone, which led to me being bitten by the travel bug, which i consider a huge positive
13:16	nubbins`	and i was able to pay off my student loans in only 9 months
13:16	mircea_popescu	i dunno, in my experience citizens of totalitarian regimes make excellent servants but poor company.
13:16	nubbins`	nono, i said second-best korea
13:16	nubbins`	not best korea
13:16	mircea_popescu	o o wait.
13:17	mircea_popescu	i mixed them up huh. kay.
13:17	mircea_popescu	diff story then
13:17	nubbins`	everybody does
13:17	nubbins`	did you know samsung makes cars over there?
13:17	nubbins`	and apartment building complexes?
13:17	mircea_popescu	yeah
13:17	mircea_popescu	chaebol thing
13:17	nubbins`	and kimchi fridges, which is possibly the strangest home appliance i've ever seen
13:17	nubbins`	s/is/are
13:18	mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/South_Korea's_GDP_(PPP)_growth_from_1911_to_2008.png
13:18	mircea_popescu	the bitcoin of countries.
13:18	nubbins`	they do not fuck around at all
13:18	ThickAsThieves	I'm getting migration requests for "TAT.S.MPOE-PT"
13:18	ThickAsThieves	lol
13:19	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: large gap between rich and poot
13:19	nubbins`	i mean poor
13:19	phungus	rich and poot
13:19	phungus	lol
13:19	phungus	mmm are you rich or do you poot?
13:19	nubbins`	old ladies selling boiled insects on street corners outside 100-story skyscrapers
13:19	mircea_popescu	that gap is the best thing in the world.
13:20	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves is that a good thing ?
13:20	nubbins`	but even the poor have lots of tech
13:20	nubbins`	that old lady selling bugs has a cellphone that can receive live television 200ft underground
13:21	nubbins`	it's a country of really odd juxtapositions
13:22	nubbins`	anyway, that GDP chart is more luck than anything. it was decided that the north part of korea would be used for agriculture and the south part for industry
13:22	nubbins`	but then war-by-proxy drew a nice wide line through the middle
13:23	nubbins`	and it turned out industry was more of a money-maker than growing rice
13:23	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves is that a good thing ? --- I run no such PT
13:23	mircea_popescu	where's luck figure into that ?
13:24	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there you go, crashing people's dreams.
13:24	nubbins`	well, if they decided that agriculture belonged in the south, then seoul wouldn't exist
13:24	mircea_popescu	they were rich in inexistent pt holdings of mpoe stock
13:24	nubbins`	and best korea would be making kimchi fridges
13:24	mircea_popescu	nubbins` no it wouldn't.
13:24	ThickAsThieves	they of course are thinking of Namworld's PT
13:24	ThickAsThieves	but funny how they just add TAT. in front and email me
13:25	ThickAsThieves	and presume it exists on Havelock
13:25	mircea_popescu	lol
13:25	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: you're suggesting that proximity to china/ussr was more of a deciding factor in NK's fate?
13:25	mircea_popescu	nubbins` im suggesting that the part in which the govt was going to be strong was going to starve, and the part where the govt was going to suck entrepreneur cock was going to boom.
13:25	mircea_popescu	this irrespective of any considerations whatsoever at all.
13:26	nubbins`	hmm
13:26	mircea_popescu	if you use the state to borrow money which you give to the business people to do stuff, you'll be rich. it worked fgor koreea, it worked for venice 1k years before that.
13:26	mircea_popescu	if you use the state for any other purpose, including "to make people happy", to "fight racism" or whatever, to clean up grafitti,
13:26	nubbins`	that's an interesting point
13:26	mircea_popescu	you will starve.
13:27	mircea_popescu	strictly the only consideration is how dedicated the whole of society is to sucking businessman cock.
13:27	nubbins`	SK as a rule are intensely dedicated to this
13:27	mircea_popescu	yea
13:27	mircea_popescu	it shows, for instance in that graph.
13:27	nubbins`	you can seriously buy buddhist charms that are supposed to give you luck in your government exams
13:27	mircea_popescu	it's not luck except in the sense of "they got lucky", now they have cum on upper lip.
13:28	nubbins`	like, specifically, those particular exams
13:28	nubbins`	not general luck, or even general academic luck
13:29	nubbins`	anyway, only i think 1/4 of the population was buddhist
13:29	nubbins`	much more laid back than the christian 1/4, which was unwaveringly insufferable
13:29	ThickAsThieves	why do buddhists care about luck?
13:30	ThickAsThieves	isn't buddhism like nihilism made into a less depressing concept
13:30	phungus	lol
13:30	nubbins`	nah, they're all about karma
13:31	nubbins`	in the actual sense of the word, not the misappropriated sense
13:31	ThickAsThieves	but i recall the epitome of buddhism being nothingness
13:31	ThickAsThieves	impact-neutral zen
13:31	nubbins`	well, the goal is zen/nirvana/whatever more often than not
13:31	Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: so Im thinking
13:31	ThickAsThieves	or whatever
13:32	ThickAsThieves	uh oh
13:32	Diablo-D3	I think I could make an open source GPU
13:32	Diablo-D3	that could beat amd and nvidia
13:32	ThickAsThieves	...
13:32	nubbins`	but you can't be zen if you don't pass your government exams
13:32	nubbins`	and marry and have kids (bonus points if it's a lucky year)
13:32	nubbins`	and take care of your parents/in-laws until they die
13:33	mircea_popescu	doesn't sound too zen to me.
13:33	nubbins`	did i mention there are huge alcohol problems?
13:33	mircea_popescu	how about the govt can't be zen until it passes you and the future wife can;'t be zen untill she marries you and gets pregnant ?
13:33	ThickAsThieves	D3, why do you always wanna do things that can't be done, and then execute on things that shouldnt be done?
13:33	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: that's not far off from the reality
13:34	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what did he do now ?
13:34	nubbins`	the future wife literally cannot be zen until she is married with children
13:34	ThickAsThieves	[13:32] <Diablo-D3> I think I could make an open source GPU
13:34	ThickAsThieves	[13:32] <Diablo-D3> that could beat amd and nvidia
13:34	mircea_popescu	nubbins` cool. i imagine dating is very relaxing there
13:34	nubbins`	it's very stressful
13:35	nubbins`	they have colour days at least once a month with the intent of fostering romance
13:35	mircea_popescu	http://world.time.com/2013/10/08/north-korea-puts-troops-on-war-footing-and-warns-of-horrible-disaster/
13:35	ozbot	North Korea Puts Troops on War Footing and Warns of ‘Horrible Disaster’ \| TIME.com
13:35	nubbins`	valentines day, men give gifts to women. white day (march 14), women give gifts to men. green day, singles wear green
13:35	nubbins`	etc etc
13:35	nubbins`	pepero day, everyone gives each other pepero
13:35	mircea_popescu	no dildo day ?
13:35	nubbins`	not yet
13:35	nubbins`	although there is a sex park on jeju island
13:36	nubbins`	that lots of couples visit on honeymoon
13:36	mircea_popescu	sponsored by jeju jel ?
13:36	ThickAsThieves	maybe NK should actually shoot someone so people can take them seriosly
13:36	ThickAsThieves	u
13:36	nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Love_Land_interactive_articulated_puppet.jpg
13:36	mircea_popescu	jesus that looks sad
13:36	nubbins`	http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+KRBK46RtoMbl.jpg
13:37	nubbins`	some of it is EPIC
13:37	nubbins`	http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+_V7gdKGA_FNl.jpg
13:37	ThickAsThieves	awesome
13:37	mircea_popescu	kinda shitty.
13:37	ThickAsThieves	why are all the men western
13:37	nubbins`	http://cdn2.listsoplenty.com/listsoplenty-cdn/pix/uploads/2012/03/South-Korea_s-Jeju-Island-Love-Land.jpg
13:37	mircea_popescu	i dunno man, i'm born among the greek sculpture work.
13:37	nubbins`	yeah
13:37	ThickAsThieves	lol
13:38	nubbins`	doesn't hold a candle to that, i guess
13:38	nubbins`	there was one sculpture that was literally a glory hole
13:38	nubbins`	can't find a pic
13:38	mircea_popescu	http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/1166615591_10.thumbnail.jpg
13:38	mircea_popescu	that is kinda good.
13:38	nubbins`	aha!
13:38	nubbins`	http://cdn.enjoyourholiday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jeju-sex-park-Korea-image15.jpg
13:38	ThickAsThieves	mother nature getting some
13:39	mircea_popescu	http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/1166615591_06.thumbnail.jpg why's the guy derpy and fat ?
13:39	nubbins`	prolly cos he's white
13:39	nubbins`	http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+KXsx0UHWB_vl.jpg
13:39	mircea_popescu	do they have a "topless only" rule for visiting ?
13:40	nubbins`	nah, koreans are too prudish for that
13:40	ThickAsThieves	so it's a sex park to see statues, not to have sex
13:40	mircea_popescu	well... a park with niormal statues where the girls had to check out their blouse at the entrance
13:40	nubbins`	honestly, the fact this park exists is extremely bizarre, given their attitudes toward sex in general
13:40	mircea_popescu	would work a lot better than this atrocity.
13:40	nubbins`	not as repressed as japan, but close
13:40	nubbins`	http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+gX5qq4sFQfRl.jpg
13:40	mircea_popescu	im sorry but here you'd flunk art school if that was your product
13:40	nubbins`	^^^ common sight
13:40	ThickAsThieves	this park would probly do well in NY
13:41	mircea_popescu	maybe they should make topless day. on april 15th you take your gf to the magical park and she gives you her top.
13:42	mircea_popescu	then you give her a dinner and a movie or w/e they do
13:42	nubbins`	dinner and some karaoke
13:42	mircea_popescu	a ok. shrimp and shit ? or what's the best meal there ?
13:42	mircea_popescu	bird's nest ?
13:43	nubbins`	korean cuisine is the best in the world, bar none
13:43	nubbins`	it's the only reason i'd ever consider going back there
13:43	mircea_popescu	msut be all the piss.
13:43	mod6	lol
13:43	nubbins`	dolsot bibimbap is really good
13:43	nubbins`	as is kimchi jjigae
13:44	nubbins`	all of it, really
13:44	mircea_popescu	A North Korean military spokesman said that the U.S. would be wholly accountable for the unexpected horrible disaster that faced its imperialist aggression forces.
13:44	mircea_popescu	well if it's unexpected...
13:44	nubbins`	see, traditional korean food is not only delicious as fuck, but good for you
13:44	mircea_popescu	nubbins` hey you canadian folks didn't also teach logic did you
13:44	nubbins`	traditional food here is root vegetables and salt beef
13:44	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: logic has no place in north/south relations
13:45	mircea_popescu	it's the same thing in romania, traditional food is delicious and good for oyu. it's the same thing in all countries where "traditional" means 2k years rather than w/e, 60
13:45	mod6	pizza rolls arent traditional?
13:45	nubbins`	whitey has been on this island for 500 years
13:45	nubbins`	and it's been salt fish, salt beef, and root veg that whole time
13:45	nubbins`	now everyone is fat and has heart attacks
13:45	ThickAsThieves	http://www.popehat.com/2013/10/10/silk-road-update-federal-prosecutors-file-separate-forfeiture-complaint/
13:46	mircea_popescu	lol the entire "gimme money" uncle sam tactics don't work so well in btc ?
13:46	nubbins`	you'd think they'd at least cc the bitcoin foundation on that complaint
13:47	nubbins`	"identity hearing"?
13:47	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves who's running the popehat ?
13:47	ThickAsThieves	dunno
13:48	nubbins`	UNITED STATES v. ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF SILK ROAD, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE SILK ROAD HIDDEN WEBSITE AND ANY AND ALL BITCOINS CONTAINED IN WALLET FILES RESIDING ON SILK ROAD SERVERS, INCLUDING THE SERVERS ASSIGNED THE FOLLOWING INTERNET PROTOCOL ADDRESSES: 46.183.219.244; 109.163.234.40; 193.107.86.34; 193.107.86.49; 207.106.6.25; AND 207.106.6.32;
13:48	nubbins`	that is a comical case name
13:49	ThickAsThieves	"“Don’t let tea farmers get f**d, buy directly from the source. Don’t let the financial system f* us, use bitcoin!”
13:49	ThickAsThieves	Elyse Petersen, founder and CEO of Hawaii-based farm-direct tea marketplace Tealet, felt these were the right words to accompany her company’s announcement that it would begin accepting bitcoin payments starting 17th September. They echoed Tealet’s core values, illustrated bitcoin’s utility and grabbed attention.
13:49	ThickAsThieves	Unfortunately, some of Tealet’s partners didn’t appreciate the message."
13:49	nubbins`	users' unspent funds are not the proceeds of crime though, hey?
13:49	mircea_popescu	nubbins` moreover meaningless.
13:49	mircea_popescu	it's a case against unspecified items.
13:50	nubbins`	o
13:50	nubbins`	well!
13:50	jurov	What if Silk Road is holding some of your Bitcoins as part of some transaction? Why, all you have to do is show up and make a claim for them — in a case in which the government is saying that all or substantially all of the transactions through Silk Road are federal crimes. Bring a toothbrush.
13:50	nubbins`	UNITED STATES v. EVERYTHING
13:50	mircea_popescu	"i hereby sue all the people who might have pissed me off"
13:50	ThickAsThieves	and may piss you off in the future?
13:50	ThickAsThieves	might as well cover that too
13:50	nubbins`	jurov: well, an idiot would make a claim for in-limbo funds
13:50	mircea_popescu	the usg is not that advanced as of yet.
13:50	nubbins`	how about the guy who just transferred 1btc to his SR wallet?
13:50	mircea_popescu	tho the lavabit prosecutor was TRYING, as the judge pointed out
13:51	nubbins`	that judge deserves some bitcoin
13:52	mircea_popescu	no judge deserves any bitcoin.
13:52	nubbins`	jurov: siezing funds in user accounts is like the cops knocking on my door and demanding the contents of any jars with "to be used for drugs" on the label
13:53	nubbins`	future crime!
13:54	ThickAsThieves	i dunno
13:54	mircea_popescu	actually if the us residend youth wasn't braindamaged, there'd be a bunch of "DRUGS" labeled containers everwhere
13:54	ThickAsThieves	this is more like
13:54	jurov	so why the distingushed author felt a need of such utterance?
13:54	mircea_popescu	as well as a bunch of "child porn" files on all hard drives
13:54	ThickAsThieves	you give your money to drug distributor as credit for future buys
13:54	ThickAsThieves	and he gets nabbed
13:54	mircea_popescu	This seems an opportune time to add, for the benefit of readers who weren't around in the 1980's, that the law pertaining to in rem forfeitures developed in the context of narcotics seizures. Prior to that, the legal maxim, the law abhors a forfeiture, was the rule, and judges were generally antagonistic to forfeiture proceedings.
13:54	mircea_popescu	In the 80's, with the crack outbreak, the feds began aggressively seeking forfeiture of proceeds, substitute proceeds and instrumentalities of crime. At the time, no one (except those of us actively engaged in the drug and forfeiture defense ) gave a damn, and the law that developed was quite harsh.
13:54	ThickAsThieves	dont pretend these people deserve their btc back
13:55	mircea_popescu	there. good poibnt. the entire in rem proceeding is a laughable piece of nonsense, in law.
13:55	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves unless you have proof of the foregoing, it's not that they "deserve" it.
13:55	mircea_popescu	it's that it;s theirs and you're stealing it.
13:55	mircea_popescu	no better than the guy you're supposedly prosecuting. in fact, worse. he traded, he didn't steal.
13:55	ThickAsThieves	but the accounts are owned by SR
13:55	ThickAsThieves	not the users
13:55	mircea_popescu	says who ?
13:56	ThickAsThieves	SR holds the keys
13:56	asciilifeform	actually the current US policy re: forfeiture is very exactly Soviet.
13:56	nubbins`	well, my house is owned by the bank. doesn't mean they can come take my television.
13:56	mircea_popescu	cool. gotta remember this for the pirate case.
13:56	mircea_popescu	he owned the btc right ?
13:56	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed.
13:56	ThickAsThieves	in that case he issued securities
13:56	mircea_popescu	nono, it was his btc.
13:56	mircea_popescu	cause he had the keys.
13:56	ThickAsThieves	he was not the marketplace, was he?
13:57	mircea_popescu	derp.
13:57	nubbins`	what's the argument for these people not "deserving" their btc back?
13:57	mircea_popescu	nubbins` they had it, the government wants it.
13:57	jurov	they are all criminalz
13:57	nubbins`	because they put them on a website where bad people sold bad things?
13:58	nubbins`	i advance the opinion that it's not anyone else's place to decide who deserves my money, regardless of where i keep it
13:58	deadweasel	you kept money on SR?
13:58	mircea_popescu	coming soon to a walmart near you, your car was impounded because you parked it last month in the parking lot of a supermarket that was violating federal regulation #<state secret deleted>.
13:58	ThickAsThieves	i'm not saying my point is a solid argument to do it, but we all know those people wont get their coins
13:58	nubbins`	tat, we all know this, yes
13:58	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well yeah they won't. but there's no solid argument, and that's important.
13:59	nubbins`	we also all know that it's groundless
13:59	mircea_popescu	basicvally the usg is indistinguishable in practice from the common criminal.
13:59	nubbins`	but it won't be fought for
13:59	ThickAsThieves	even if they wanted to give them back, could they do so reliably?
13:59	ThickAsThieves	maybe they hire TATI to do migrations
13:59	mircea_popescu	ahahah
13:59	nubbins`	well, they could put the website back up with the listings removed
13:59	nubbins`	although we all know that nobody would withdraw their funds anyway
13:59	mircea_popescu	nubbins` the gigavps method
13:59	nubbins`	mp, before my time
13:59	mircea_popescu	"send us a signed thing via mail"
14:00	phungus	some goods on SR were legal
14:00	nubbins`	some, yes
14:00	mircea_popescu	were there ? like what ?
14:00	nubbins`	i can't recall
14:00	nubbins`	porn passwords
14:00	mjr_	eh, i think that more services should allow you to "attach" your own wallet
14:00	nubbins`	nothing of value
14:00	mjr_	and keep your private keys
14:00	mjr_	that way...this never happens
14:01	mjr_	also, you don't have to manage user funds, and take that liability
14:01	nubbins`	mjr_: so a 3-party tx where the site acts as escrow?
14:01	phungus	there were small things available like certain pipes and stuff like that
14:01	phungus	and people sold bitcoins or cash for bitcoins
14:01	mjr_	no...basically, i have a blockchain wallet already
14:01	phungus	and there was that blotter artwork
14:01	mjr_	let me use that
14:01	ThickAsThieves	attaching your own wallet wont work
14:01	phungus	it wasn't actual blotter, just artwork
14:01	mjr_	why not?
14:01	ThickAsThieves	plus you lose the ability to do offchain tx
14:02	mircea_popescu	porn passwords aren;'t legal.
14:02	mjr_	depends
14:02	nubbins`	blotter artwork is an interesting thing
14:02	ThickAsThieves	unless you do it like Weex
14:02	mjr_	my point is that to do off chain you have to trust the site operator
14:02	mjr_	and in the case of SR you lost your money
14:02	mjr_	i think you should have an option to attach your blockchain wallet, people can see how much funds you have
14:02	nubbins`	i suppose i should go silkscreen a huge BTC logo on a nice thick cotton rag paper, and then perforate it into tiny squares
14:02	nubbins`	sell it for $50 on ebay
14:02	mircea_popescu	mjr_ in fairness, i expect the lost btc mostly belonged to the operator, and some to dealers.
14:02	mjr_	you can still both send multisig to an administrative site
14:03	mircea_popescu	it's unlikely any end user kept 100 btc in there
14:03	mjr_	depends
14:03	mjr_	i agree
14:03	mjr_	in the broad case
14:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.93220001 = 1.8644 BTC [-] {2}
14:03	mjr_	but if one person had his 100 bitcoin stolen
14:03	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: biggest losers were the dealers. thousands of $$ in limbo at any given time
14:03	mjr_	is it ok?
14:03	mjr_	yeah, and i wonder how the people the dealers owe money to will feel
14:03	nubbins`	pretty good
14:03	mircea_popescu	mjr_ the cost for the joe schmoes to understand and use multi tx > the probable loss to them as is.
14:04	nubbins`	you need to realize that selling on sr was VERY lucrative
14:04	mjr_	yes
14:04	mjr_	of course
14:04	nubbins`	any sensible dealer would be paying for supply up-front
14:04	mjr_	i think 2 things about SR
14:04	nubbins`	not getting it on loan
14:04	mjr_	uh no
14:04	mircea_popescu	nubbins` heh. that's why they took a month to move a kg of coke ?
14:04	jcpham	my personal feeling is that you go off-chain your money is a row in a database
14:04	mjr_	yeah
14:04	mircea_popescu	nobody gave a shit.
14:04	jcpham	and we al know how safe site db's are
14:04	mjr_	let me get a kilo please, here is all the cash
14:04	mjr_	and you assume that consignment is not the main model
14:04	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: if i had to bet, i'd say it was WAY more weed than coke
14:04	mjr_	which it is
14:04	nubbins`	mjr_: in the real world, yes
14:04	mircea_popescu	of course.
14:05	mjr_	those were real world people
14:05	mjr_	who may not buy coke in colombia using bitcoins
14:05	mjr_	but rther have traditional channels
14:05	mjr_	and then resell on SR
14:05	jcpham	yes and they are now mostly dead
14:05	mjr_	traditional channel = i'll front you a brick
14:05	nubbins`	mjr_: i said any sensible dealer
14:05	mjr_	my point
14:05	nubbins`	getting a brick on loan is not sensible
14:05	nubbins`	whether it's common or not
14:05	mjr_	LOL
14:05	mjr_	it is totally sensible
14:05	mircea_popescu	look, srsly, the site was "very lucrative" in the sense of yeah, if you're some college age dork you can make A LOT OF $$$ omg/
14:06	nubbins`	no it's not!!
14:06	mjr_	for the vast majority of people
14:06	nubbins`	because when you get busted
14:06	mircea_popescu	it wasn't lucrative in a business sense.
14:06	nubbins`	now you owe some guy a brick
14:06	nubbins`	and you can't pay him for it
14:06	mjr_	yeah, that is built in to what you pay
14:06	mjr_	and depends on how much your health is worth to you, and the chance you think you'll default
14:06	mjr_	like saying no sensible business risks using credit
14:06	mjr_	because it could hurt their credit
14:06	nubbins`	fair enough
14:07	mjr_	first off; main risk in drugs is moving them
14:07	nubbins`	i have an acquaintance who was caught with a large amount of cocaine a couple of years ago
14:07	mircea_popescu	let's split your dispute. people sane in the head take a brick on credit all the time,
14:07	mjr_	so, most dealers would rather give you 100 grams NOW, once a month
14:07	mircea_popescu	provided it's a small fraction of their trade.
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14:07	mjr_	then meet you for 5 grams every other day
14:07	mircea_popescu	fucked in the head idiots that take a brick on credit which is the whole of their capital...
14:07	mjr_	^^
14:07	mjr_	^^^^^
14:07	mircea_popescu	well... those idiots don't survive and shouldn't have existed in the first place
14:07	mjr_	yes
14:07	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: that's like every coke dealer
14:08	mjr_	ok, i know many people who have been wiped out
14:08	mircea_popescu	nubbins` every coke dealer you know :)
14:08	mjr_	lost their stash
14:08	nubbins`	SHHHHH!
14:08	mjr_	got someone to front them
14:08	mjr_	built it back up again
14:08	mjr_	its more like a trade guild than the "colombian necktie/scarface" scenario
14:08	nubbins`	yeah
14:08	mircea_popescu	mjr_ this is not germane, in that it was THEIR stash to lose.
14:08	mjr_	ys
14:09	nubbins`	anyway, having large amounts of outstanding credit is not a great idea
14:09	mjr_	but lets say i have been working with you for a year
14:09	mjr_	you have made money
14:09	mjr_	and SR bust comes
14:09	mircea_popescu	nubbins` especially if you're a deadbeat, which is what it boils down to.
14:09	mjr_	do you think i just kill you?
14:09	mjr_	no, you are a client
14:09	nubbins`	no, you don't kill me
14:09	mircea_popescu	mjr_ depends. are you some white ass dorky kid that "has got to do it" ?
14:09	mjr_	and people uderstand and work out terms
14:09	nubbins`	you threaten to break my bones
14:09	mircea_popescu	then you might internet-kill me.
14:09	mjr_	LOL
14:09	nubbins`	"understanding", "working out terms", are a fiction for street-level trades
14:09	mjr_	you guys really have a hollywood perspective on drug dealing
14:09	nubbins`	and when i say street-level i mean 10kg and below
14:09	mjr_	ok...whatever you say
14:10	mjr_	lets say i know people who were "late" by a couple of months and resumed their arrangement after making good
14:10	mjr_	MANY times
14:10	mjr_	my old roommate was a pretty big coke dealer in NYC
14:10	nubbins`	i live a three-minute walk from a house where a guy was tied up and beaten to death with a chair leg by a coke dealer
14:10	mjr_	are you in nyc?
14:10	nubbins`	i guess people are nicer in NYC
14:11	mjr_	they are
14:11	mjr_	they are very business focused
14:11	nubbins`	must be great
14:11	mjr_	killing someone gives you $0
14:11	nubbins`	it's all skids here
14:11	nospinzy	um most people who sell drugs dont beat people
14:11	mjr_	and no future revenue either
14:11	nubbins`	killing someone makes everyone who owes you $1 pay up
14:11	mjr_	nope
14:11	nubbins`	granted, i don't think they intended to kill the guy
14:11	mjr_	thats like saying death penalty stops crime
14:11	nubbins`	it doesn't
14:11	mjr_	i don't do crimes thinking i will get caught and convicted
14:12	mjr_	so i don't borrow bricks expecting to default
14:12	mjr_	i borrow a brick so i can make $10k easily
14:12	nubbins`	that's the thing, nobody expects it
14:12	mjr_	what could ever go wrong?
14:12	nubbins`	which is why nobody is ready for it
14:12	mjr_	yes
14:12	mjr_	but the guy lending it to you is ready for it
14:12	mjr_	he manages his risk
14:12	mjr_	at least in nyc
14:12	mjr_	so that if he has to wait
14:12	nubbins`	which is why you exit the courthouse after entering your not guilty plea and immediately get a phone call from some guy looking for his $7000
14:12	mjr_	he can resume operations
14:12	mjr_	and regain revenue stream
14:13	nospinzy	umm i want to get in touch with a nignog that will lend me 100k
14:13	mjr_	it is relative
14:13	mjr_	if i have an operation where i do 10 million
14:13	mjr_	i lend 100k all the time
14:13	nubbins`	i think the difference between here and nyc is that in nyc it's all rich people doing coke
14:13	mjr_	$50 for .5g
14:13	nubbins`	and here it's all pill addicts doing AND selling coke
14:13	mjr_	i'd say so
14:14	mjr_	its like any business
14:14	nospinzy	coke sucks
14:14	mjr_	there is nothing special about coke business
14:14	nubbins`	never tried coke, never will
14:14	mjr_	same as anytingelse
14:14	nubbins`	i like things too much
14:14	nubbins`	it would be the end of me
14:14	mjr_	wholesalers offer credit to increase sales
14:14	mjr_	manage risk across multiple accounts
14:14	mjr_	write off some bad debg
14:14	nospinzy	it wouldnt be the end of you because it fucking sucks
14:14	mjr_	credit serves to expand an economy
14:15	nospinzy	the miniute you take it you feel like your dick is going to fall off
14:15	nospinzy	and you feel like you will have a heart attack
14:15	nubbins`	mjr_: so if i get a kg off some guy and say "sorry dude, i got busted", he's gonna swallow the cost?
14:15	mjr_	lol i don't know what you are doing
14:15	mjr_	no
14:15	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform according to wikipedia, russia is not YET a NIC (newly industrialised country)
14:15	mjr_	if you have been getting a kg a month for 12 months
14:15	mjr_	and you have a problem now
14:15	mjr_	he will say "ok, let's work it out and get you back on your feet"
14:15	nubbins`	oh, well
14:15	nubbins`	it's not like that everywhere
14:15	mjr_	remember, he has made money off you for 12 months
14:16	mjr_	and would rather continue making money off you
14:16	mjr_	than killing you
14:16	nospinzy	you should see all the new york niggers that run my town of 30k they run it for about a year and the police come down hard on these idiots
14:16	mjr_	killing you means never being repaid, and never getting any more revenue
14:16	nubbins`	if you try that here, he will say "ok, i've been breeding pit bulls for 3 years and i bit a guy's ear off in a bar fight last week, pay up"
14:16	nospinzy	they dont know how to get out the game
14:16	nubbins`	killing is rare
14:16	mjr_	i'm not saying people don't intimidate
14:16	nubbins`	getting your face rearranged, not so much
14:16	mjr_	they have no legal recourse
14:16	mjr_	but for the most part
14:16	mjr_	at least in nyc
14:16	mjr_	its a community thing
14:17	mjr_	washington heights
14:17	nubbins`	hahahahaha
14:17	mjr_	parts of brooklyn
14:17	mjr_	everyone knows everyone
14:17	mjr_	they are your neighbors
14:17	mjr_	its a trade off, offer credit
14:17	nubbins`	i'm only laughing because that all sounds so foreign
14:17	mjr_	more sales
14:17	nospinzy	why you let niggers intimidate you, carry a hand gun on your body and shoot the dogs
14:17	mjr_	LOL
14:17	nospinzy	no cop cares about some niggers pitbulls
14:17	mjr_	they would never think to get their own
14:17	mjr_	guns that is
14:17	mjr_	and they WILL get emotional about a dog
14:18	mjr_	not so much about business, i think
14:18	nospinzy	they call themselves gangsters HAHA
14:18	nospinzy	dont even have guns
14:18	mjr_	anyway, boring convo
14:18	nubbins`	anyway what it boils down to, mjr, is that the coke trade is a mature industry in nyc
14:18	mjr_	drug business is the same as all business
14:18	mircea_popescu	so then shoot the dog, take his girlfriend and burn his stash.
14:18	mjr_	yes nubbins`
14:18	nospinzy	i went with my friend to buy a 3k car in philly we brought a hand gun
14:18	mircea_popescu	tjhey'll call you gengis khan
14:18	mjr_	i agree
14:18	nubbins`	and here it's a bunch of wannabe players acting like they just walked off the set of a 50 cent movie
14:18	mjr_	oh totally
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14:18	mjr_	if you go to the inland empire in california
14:18	mjr_	it is way scarier than the jungle in LA
14:19	mjr_	because people in LA have SOME pride in themselves
14:19	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/murder-trial-dates-set-for-pynn-butler-1.1353717
14:19	mjr_	people in the IE have nothing to live for
14:19	ozbot	Murder trial dates set for Pynn, Butler - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
14:19	nubbins`	^^ newfie coke lords
14:19	mircea_popescu	you live in a dog ?!
14:19	mjr_	when you live in shitty places, and have no hope, you really don't care about violence or killing
14:19	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: two breeds of dog were developed on this island, the newfoundland dog and the labrador retriever
14:19	mjr_	but in new york, people are happy, so most people would be like "woah woah, why jump to violence"
14:20	nubbins`	one was bred from the other, i forget which
14:20	nospinzy	no one cares about black killing eachother, its we like to report it just to show everyone how stupid they act
14:20	nospinzy	i personaly would like to see the crime rate 10x worse
14:20	mjr_	new york has like triple digit murders per year
14:20	mircea_popescu	mjr_ dunno about that happy part man, i've seen what they call rental apts down there.
14:20	mjr_	ie. 999 people in a city of over 6 million
14:20	mjr_	well, not mad enough to kill yet
14:20	nubbins`	thats not bad for a city of millions
14:20	mjr_	it is like the safest city ever
14:20	nospinzy	its beause they frisk all the nignogs
14:21	mjr_	lol
14:21	mircea_popescu	lol. this town i'm in has had a murder last 4 years ago. it's ~400k pop. do the math.
14:21	nospinzy	its either a police gang or the street gangs
14:21	mjr_	they frisk whites and puerto ricans too
14:21	mjr_	its about how you act, who you associate with, and how you SPEAK more than anything else
14:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 122 @ 0.001199 = 0.1463 BTC [-]
14:21	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ear-biting-suspect-not-believable-crown-1.961453
14:21	ozbot	Ear-biting suspect not believable: Crown - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
14:21	nospinzy	well i wouldnt change it, like i said police acting as the gang or nigs running around with guns scarring white people
14:21	mircea_popescu	what is this, dating ?!
14:21	mjr_	but seriuosly DRESS and SPEECH are about a million times more important than SKIN COLOR
14:22	mjr_	and people CAN change their dress and speech
14:22	mjr_	my friend is a VP at MetLife
14:22	mjr_	he is black
14:22	mjr_	guess how many times he has been stopped and frisked
14:22	nospinzy	0
14:22	mjr_	bingo
14:22	mircea_popescu	nubbins` is thatg phynn dude with the insane clown posse ?
14:22	nospinzy	;)
14:22	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: might as well be
14:22	mjr_	its like dave chappelle says
14:22	mjr_	but he talks about white people
14:22	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: notice how his teardrop tattoos are filled in
14:22	mjr_	i think its about white culture
14:23	mircea_popescu	yaya
14:23	nubbins`	apparently this means vengeance was served!
14:23	nubbins`	big thug!
14:23	mjr_	feeling comfortable walking up to a cop and saying, im a little high, and i just wanna get home
14:23	nubbins`	killed his buddy over sixty bucks!
14:23	mjr_	says, i am the one you protect, not the one you harrass
14:23	nospinzy	all you gotta do is dress in a suit and tie and i bet you could run drugs all day
14:23	mjr_	yeah
14:23	mjr_	most drug dealers on a personal level do not look like what you would think
14:23	nubbins`	agreed
14:23	mjr_	i've seen pretty girls, white hipsters on backpacks
14:23	mjr_	its rarely thugs
14:24	mjr_	they don't get their hand dirty with small transactions
14:24	nospinzy	they arnt dealing heroin
14:24	nospinzy	they are dealing pills and weed
14:24	mjr_	also they know they stick out
14:24	mjr_	well, all i can say is panama is great so far
14:24	nubbins`	lovely
14:24	nubbins`	always wanted to visit
14:24	mjr_	viva south america
14:24	nubbins`	closest i came was colombia
14:25	mjr_	even better ;)
14:25	nospinzy	why are you down there
14:25	nubbins`	nah, colombia is overrun with aussie tourists
14:25	nospinzy	trying to act like a big shot?
14:25	nubbins`	and petty crime
14:25	nubbins`	not sure which is worse
14:25	nospinzy	where are you in panama
14:26	mjr_	panama city
14:26	mjr_	but colombian girls are hot
14:26	nubbins`	agreed
14:26	mjr_	my sister is in cartagena (that had nothing to do with the prior statement)
14:26	nubbins`	heh
14:26	nubbins`	cartagena was nice
14:26	nubbins`	very expensive
14:26	nospinzy	why when people go on vacation they go to the largest cities
14:26	nospinzy	go somewhere remote
14:26	nubbins`	yeah
14:26	mjr_	san blas
14:26	nubbins`	i spent 2 days in cartagena
14:26	nospinzy	being around an infestation of people is not a vacation
14:26	nubbins`	then moved on
14:27	nubbins`	spent a lotta time in taganga, which was much nicer
14:27	nubbins`	medellin was not nice
14:27	nubbins`	manizales was great
14:27	nubbins`	bogota was so-so
14:27	nospinzy	you guys just travel by yourself?
14:27	nubbins`	myself and a friend
14:27	nubbins`	i usually travel alone
14:27	nubbins`	that was my first vacation with a travel partner
14:28	nubbins`	if you're comfortable being self-reliant, solo travel is 1000x better
14:28	mircea_popescu	nah, you always travel with a woman or two.
14:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00924 = 0.2033 BTC [+]
14:28	kakobrekla	traveling alone is best
14:28	mircea_popescu	no way.
14:29	kakobrekla	o yeah
14:29	kakobrekla	hands down.
14:29	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: travel with a woman and you preclude yourself from meeting nearly as many other women
14:29	mircea_popescu	how do you figure ?
14:29	nospinzy	travel with 2 other guys, thats the best way
14:29	nubbins`	i figure from experience
14:29	nospinzy	traveling with women is fucking anoying as shit
14:29	kakobrekla	alone or gtfo
14:29	mircea_popescu	you're not picking the right women to travel with.
14:29	nubbins`	solo travel, hands down
14:29	nubbins`	you can do whatever the fuck you want, you meet way more people
14:29	kakobrekla	yeah nubbins`, we can go solo together !
14:29	kakobrekla	oh wait.
14:29	nubbins`	lel
14:29	kleeck	.d
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14:30	nospinzy	i feel more comfortable if i have a wingman
14:30	mircea_popescu	nubbins` why can't you do the fuck you want with a woman in tow ?
14:30	mircea_popescu	nospinzy try a wingwoman sometime.
14:30	nospinzy	no
14:30	nubbins`	plus, when you travel solo, you take way more risks that you wouldn't necessarily otherwise
14:30	nospinzy	im not a bitch
14:30	nubbins`	and risks are fun
14:30	mircea_popescu	uh
14:30	mircea_popescu	none of this figures.
14:30	nospinzy	lol
14:30	Azelphur	what is this travel you speak of
14:30	nubbins`	i'd be dead if it weren't for the kindness of strangers
14:31	nubbins`	ten times over
14:31	nospinzy	im around alot of girls, and it all amounts to the same nonsense
14:31	nubbins`	if i had travelled with a friend, i wouldn't have been nearly so reckless
14:31	nubbins`	and so would have missed out on all those brushes with death
14:31	mircea_popescu	nospinzy you gotta have well trained girls not rifraf.
14:32	nubbins`	and what is life without risk?
14:32	nubbins`	boring, that's what
14:32	nospinzy	i dont know man, id rather travel with another guy and we can have in depth conversations about what we observe
14:32	nospinzy	with a women well.....
14:32	nospinzy	not much can get talked about
14:32	mjr_	traveling with women can be annoying
14:32	nubbins`	traveling with anyone can be annoying
14:32	mjr_	anyway
14:32	mircea_popescu	you can;'t be serious.
14:32	mjr_	i don't like beaches and stuff
14:32	nospinzy	ye aim totaly serious you fucking faggot
14:32	nubbins`	i wanted to cave my best friend's face in after travelling with him for two weeks
14:33	mjr_	what am i gonna do with some sand
14:33	mircea_popescu	not much can be talked about with women because why
14:33	kakobrekla	mjr_ exactly
14:33	nubbins`	mjr_: get it in your pussy?
14:33	nospinzy	if you think talking to a women is somehow more indepth then a male you have issues
14:33	nospinzy	or you might be someones gay best friend
14:33	mircea_popescu	i guess my issues are not being a faggot ?
14:33	mjr_	it can be nice to travel to places where you know women
14:33	kakobrekla	so you got blood and sand now nubbins`?
14:33	mjr_	but you can go off on your own
14:33	nubbins`	kakobrekla: it's a train wreck down there
14:33	kakobrekla	lol
14:33	nubbins`	but anyway, i guess many people might not share my views
14:34	mircea_popescu	whatg, on the internet ?
14:34	mjr_	i like traveling to big cities
14:34	mircea_popescu	impossible!
14:34	nubbins`	but there's nothing better than travelling to a country where you don't speak the language
14:34	kakobrekla	i like traveling to big tities
14:34	nubbins`	with your first night booked at a hostel
14:34	mircea_popescu	yeah. i do that too.
14:34	nubbins`	and all your possessions in a small backpack
14:34	mjr_	that is fun
14:34	mjr_	i totally agree
14:34	mjr_	adventure!
14:34	mjr_	huzzah!
14:34	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i don't book anything. i jsut land, go to the local university, find the english dept
14:34	nubbins`	it ruins it when people speak english
14:34	mircea_popescu	and hire some chick to show me around
14:34	nubbins`	colombia was great for this, nobody speaks a fuckin word of english
14:35	mircea_popescu	i speak spanish.
14:35	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: that's actually a really good idea
14:35	mircea_popescu	nubbins` it is. then i have her hire me an apt
14:35	nubbins`	i've got rudimentary spanish
14:35	mircea_popescu	that way i pay local rates.
14:35	nubbins`	mostly transferred from 6 years of mandatory french education
14:35	nubbins`	(go canada)
14:35	nubbins`	surprising how many similarities
14:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00084907 = 1.8051 BTC [-]
14:36	nubbins`	if i didn't know a word, i'd just say the french word with a spanish accent
14:36	nubbins`	worked more often than not
14:36	nubbins`	french also gives you access to a lot of africa
14:36	nubbins`	saved my ass in morocco
14:36	nubbins`	(which isn't REAL africa, but i digress)
14:39	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C131T] 685 @ 0.32277052 = 221.0978 BTC [-]
14:39	jurov	o
14:40	mircea_popescu	jeez i leave you people for two minutes...
14:40	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
14:40	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 140.34004, Best ask: 141.31213, Bid-ask spread: 0.97209, Last trade: 140.44227, 24 hour volume: 6905.00279714, 24 hour low: 138.87001, 24 hour high: 141.69000, 24 hour vwap: 140.61436
14:40	jurov	twas so good read...
14:40	mircea_popescu	;;calc 131 / .68
14:40	gribble	192.647058824
14:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4045 @ 0.00084719 = 3.4269 BTC [-]
14:42	nospinzy	are there lots of whores in panama
14:42	jurov	i dream of such travel sometimes and even tried a bit.. but then it comes to communication and that drives me crazy
14:43	jurov	litereally they asked me in a hostel on checkout why i did not talk much so anyone
14:43	mircea_popescu	jurov just nod a lot.
14:43	nospinzy	thats why u need your google glass with transaltion
14:43	jurov	cuz i'm almost deaf and small talk is hardest work, fuck that
14:43	mjr_	the key is to speak spanish, but also be able to look like you don't speak spanish
14:44	mjr_	like Blade, all the strengths, none of the weaknesses
14:44	nubbins`	heh
14:44	jurov	i'm not interested to be a clown
14:44	nubbins`	my last name is pronounced the same way as the word for marijuana in morocco
14:44	nospinzy	0_0
14:44	nubbins`	so when i checked in at EVERY hostel
14:45	nubbins`	there'd always be jokes about calling the cops
14:45	nubbins`	;(
14:45	mircea_popescu	this reminds me
14:45	nospinzy	do people treat you with respect if you say you are an americna
14:45	nospinzy	abroad
14:45	nubbins`	followed by darting eyes and a mumbled "hashish?"
14:45	nubbins`	nospinzy: no idea, i'm canadian
14:45	mircea_popescu	i used to know this dorky kid, his idea of travel was he'd go to some town, and check in every hostel
14:45	mircea_popescu	for a day or two
14:45	mircea_popescu	see if there was any desperate tail
14:45	mircea_popescu	then move on to next hostel
14:45	nospinzy	nubbin you can pretend you are american
14:45	nubbins`	heh
14:45	mircea_popescu	he'd be doing this all day long
14:45	nubbins`	nospinzy: why the fuck would i pretend i'm an american?
14:46	nubbins`	i'd sooner pretend to have down's
14:46	mircea_popescu	didn't you like risks ?
14:46	nubbins`	that's not a risk
14:46	nubbins`	that's debasing yourself
14:46	mircea_popescu	"that's not a risk, it's a fucking liability"
14:46	nospinzy	nubbin keep up that attitude and we will drone strike your country
14:46	nubbins`	although TBH most of the americans i met while travelling were a-ok
14:46	nubbins`	it's the aussies and israelis that are the worst
14:46	nubbins`	loud, brash, stupid
14:47	nospinzy	whenever i see ausies they are punk faggots kids
14:47	nospinzy	and why the hell do they complain about asians so much
14:47	nospinzy	they have no idea
14:48	mod6	omg now they want to integrate xrp with urbit lol
14:48	mircea_popescu	mod6 that's such a splendid idea :D
14:48	mircea_popescu	i hope thety do it on a ven platform
14:50	mod6	heheh - here's some convo: http://pastebin.com/
14:50	mod6	bah
14:50	mod6	http://pastebin.com/G4t53Mz3
14:50	ozbot	(11:41) < mod6> i started my new blockchain pull at the same time as trying to u - Pastebin.com
14:51	mircea_popescu	lol
14:52	mircea_popescu	wait, is memnion actually the chief retard of the entire project ?
14:53	ThickAsThieves	does the forum care about swearing?
15:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 8 @ 0.091 = 0.728 BTC [-]
15:02	mod6	now they're all on about colored coins.. lol. pointed them to the log from yesterday & the trilema article.
15:03	mod6	mircea_popescu: im not sure who he is acutually, but he seems to be knowledgeable.
15:05	jurov	http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-abandon-the-us-government/ srsly?
15:05	ozbot	The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government \| IGP Blog
15:07	ThickAsThieves	well it's not fair that only the US should have their fingers in the web
15:08	ThickAsThieves	now all the countries wanns wet their tips
15:08	ThickAsThieves	wanna
15:10	jurov	i mean, what's exactly the difference?
15:10	ThickAsThieves	i honestly dont know
15:11	ThickAsThieves	maybe they are just waking up to realize there is none
15:12	jurov	i see only political maneuvering... if they proposed to implement namecoin for root dns
15:12	jurov	or replace bgp with some decetralized routing
15:12	jurov	that would be something
15:13	Duffer1	!seen dexX7
15:14	mircea_popescu	mod6 it's fascinating hopw people default to the wrong decisions
15:14	jurov	to be precise, bgp is kinda decentralized but IP addy allocation is not
15:15	mircea_popescu	jurov there's some tension, but that's an overstatement really.
15:15	mod6	mircea_popescu: yeah. some ideas just sound great and seem like amazing harmless solutions. but yah, stuff doesn't work that way.
15:15	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
15:15	mod6	bingo
15:16	mircea_popescu	it's not just in computing, either.
15:16	mircea_popescu	college kid wants a roadster. the sort of car for him is not a roadster, he's about to get married and have kids.
15:16	mircea_popescu	etc etc, endless and everywhere, the wrong thing always appeals.
15:16	ThickAsThieves	it's due to shallow thought, most people don't attempt to think more than a layer or two deep on things
15:17	ThickAsThieves	it's sorta like looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to see why it isnt working
15:17	KRS1	like the fat kid who love cake
15:17	mircea_popescu	or in the immortal words of the devil himself, "He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' Hi
15:17	mircea_popescu	s sick, fuckin' ass off!"
15:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2179 @ 0.00084719 = 1.846 BTC [-]
15:17	ThickAsThieves	devli's advocate?
15:17	mircea_popescu	yea
15:17	ThickAsThieves	great movie
15:17	mircea_popescu	yeah.
15:18	ThickAsThieves	i only remember the text because it causes images and sounds in my head from pacino's performance
15:19	mircea_popescu	possibly the highlight of his very highlighted career.
15:19	mod6	yeah, good flick
15:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00941999 = 0.3956 BTC [+]
15:24	ThickAsThieves	"How your Profile name and photo may appear (including in reviews and advertising)"
15:24	ThickAsThieves	google...
15:25	ThickAsThieves	for people who wanna shut it off, just visit https://plus.google.com/settings/endorsements?hl=en
15:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.0899 = 0.2697 BTC [+]
15:26	mircea_popescu	lmao
15:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 400 @ 0.0012 = 0.48 BTC [+]
15:35	mircea_popescu	.d
15:35	ozbot	189281249.28103 \| Next Diff in 1109 blocks \| Estimated Change: 20.7013% in 6d 2h 32m 47s
15:43	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/11/4828352/politifact-launching-punditfact-fact-check-radio-tv-blog-print-personalities
15:43	ozbot	PolitiFact launching new site to call out lies of political pundits \| The Verge
15:43	mircea_popescu	o hey
15:57	ThickAsThieves	fucking motherfucking fuck
15:57	ThickAsThieves	visa cancelled my card because i used it while travelling
15:57	ThickAsThieves	a business card
15:57	ThickAsThieves	so now i'll have umpteen vendors saying wtf
15:57	gecko_x2	look u stupid fucking cunt
15:58	gecko_x2	this is the end of a regime
15:58	gecko_x2	this regime will fuck you whatever it takes
15:58	ThickAsThieves	you talking to me?
15:58	gecko_x2	complaining about your fucking visa card
15:58	ThickAsThieves	gtfo
15:58	jurov	lol gecko hath spoken
15:59	gecko_x2	is the same as complaining to your torturer that keeps u in his basement about the quality of his food
15:59	ThickAsThieves	youre a fucking idiot
15:59	gecko_x2	when will you stupid mother fucking cunts wake the fuck up?
15:59	ThickAsThieves	ignored
15:59	gecko_x2	My VISA CARD ISN'T WORJING UUUH HUUH
15:59	gecko_x2	I WANt MY MOTHER UUH UUHHUH
16:00	jurov	gecko_x2 mind your pills
16:00	gecko_x2	jesus fucking christ
16:00	gecko_x2	you just don't get it do you?
16:00	gecko_x2	ThickAsThieves
16:00	gecko_x2	THE FASCISTS ARE REAL
16:00	gecko_x2	THEY ARE REALLY COMING
16:00	gecko_x2	YES THIS IS REAL
16:00	gecko_x2	DO YOU GET IT?
16:02	gecko_x2	whatever
16:02	gecko_x2	ppl just do not understand
16:02	gecko_x2	they say yes i kow the government will fuck me
16:03	gecko_x2	but at the same time they do nothing to prevent it
16:03	gecko_x2	because they WANT IT
16:03	gecko_x2	YOU WANT TO BE FUCKED IN THE ASS BY YOUR GOVERNMENT'
16:03	gecko_x2	THAT IS THE REASON YOU COMPLAIN
16:03	gecko_x2	IF YOU WOULD NOT WANT IT
16:04	gecko_x2	YOU WOULD NOT BE COMPLAINING ON IRC
16:04	gecko_x2	YOU WOULD BE AT WAR
16:04	gecko_x2	LOOK AT YOUR FUCKING HISTORY
16:04	gecko_x2	YES THIS IS REAL
16:04	gecko_x2	YES THEY ARE COMING
16:04	gecko_x2	AND YES THEY WILL KILL YOU
16:04	gecko_x2	'AND YOUR FAMILY TOO
16:04	gecko_x2	IT
16:04	gecko_x2	IS
16:04	gecko_x2	REAL
16:05	jurov	kakobrekla you around? ^^^
16:05	jcpham	i bet if you used allcaps i could read it better
16:05	kakobrekla	what
16:06	jcpham	jurov kakobrekla doesn't kick people for allcaps ragin
16:06	jurov	WHY NOT
16:06	ThickAsThieves	he's still going?
16:06	ThickAsThieves	awesome
16:06	jurov	no, stopped or paused
16:06	jcpham	I DUNNO JUROV
16:06	ThickAsThieves	KICK ALL THE PEEPL!
16:06	gecko_x2	jcpham do i know you*?
16:07	jcpham	YES GECKO YOU KNOW ME
16:07	gecko_x2	do you have anything to explain to me?
16:07	jcpham	I WAS INSIDE YOU ONCE
16:07	jcpham	YOU SWALLOWED
16:07	gecko_x2	here we go
16:07	mircea_popescu	when the fuck did this turn into -otc.
16:07	Duffer1	<-- still confused :P
16:07	gecko_x2	with the sexual assault, just like the zionist have programmed you
16:07	gecko_x2	wery not well played sir
16:08	gecko_x2	when you feel fear, attack everyone with sexual trigger words
16:08	assbot	Last 100 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1413596/plain/)
16:08	kakobrekla	!b 100
16:08	kakobrekla	ill read later
16:09	ThickAsThieves	"That you or that half-wit Mirca have the gall to post about honesty here is quite the joke. You publicly post scam accusations for sport just to harm your competition. Competition I might add, that summarily spanked you in all things that matter right up until the end."
16:09	ThickAsThieves	love, burnside
16:10	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3228015#msg3228015
16:10	ozbot	[BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN]
16:10	ThickAsThieves	funny how he defined 'the end'
16:10	ThickAsThieves	being that mpex is not over
16:13	mircea_popescu	ya well... the tuna i had for breakfast also spanked me sumariliy in all things that matter.
16:13	mircea_popescu	swimming, making good tuna steak, etc.
16:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2608 @ 0.00085728 = 2.2358 BTC [+]
16:25	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308924.msg3316281#msg3316281
16:25	ozbot	Why is Operation Fabulous not working?
16:25	mircea_popescu	lmao
16:26	jcpham	still digging up troll gold on the forums i see
16:27	mircea_popescu	that's ditz glitz.
16:27	mircea_popescu	i mean,
16:27	mircea_popescu	dat's ditz glitz.
16:28	MTBmanTT	Hello everyone, new to the scene, here to watch n learn :)
16:28	mircea_popescu	hello MTBmanTT.
16:29	MTBmanTT	hi
16:30	ThickAsThieves	hi
16:30	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves anyway, in case that was before your time, "[17:05:52] shareholder3_ midterm this will win against MPEX and others as they will get shut down soon too"
16:30	mircea_popescu	[17:06:13] shareholder1 I already reported MPEX for child porn
16:30	mircea_popescu	etc.
16:30	ThickAsThieves	lol
16:31	ThickAsThieves	s.cp was a thing?
16:31	mircea_popescu	[17:56:20] da2ce796 as in, mpex will stop being our compittion.
16:31	mircea_popescu	[17:56:26] shareholder1 mpex will be classified as money launderers and terrorists
16:31	kakobrekla	well, he didnt say WHEN
16:31	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the internet kidz have issues in that they imagine the world is congruent with their perception of the world.
16:31	ThickAsThieves	reality is what you make it!
16:31	mircea_popescu	thus therefore the value of bitcoin comes from there being bitcoin atms and the worst thing that can happen is someone "reporting you for child porn"
16:32	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla this is true.
16:32	ThickAsThieves	i like how they say "our" too
16:32	mircea_popescu	[17:56:26] shareholder2 really? satoshidice and bitvps look pretty legit to me
16:32	mircea_popescu	[17:56:30] shareholder2 bitvps even hosts GLBSE
16:32	ThickAsThieves	as if they had a stake
16:32	mircea_popescu	that thing is the total lolz.
16:33	mircea_popescu	[17:56:39] shareholder3_ agree with da2ce7, its a different, larger market the new GLBSE would operate in
16:33	mircea_popescu	aw fduck it, just read the transcript. http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/
16:33	ThickAsThieves	hehe
16:33	mircea_popescu	ima be here picking comedy gold all night
16:34	ThickAsThieves	is this the one where nefario is on trial for closing?
16:34	ThickAsThieves	i read most of it once
16:34	MTBmanTT	reading that link should bring me up to speed here?
16:34	mircea_popescu	in unrelated news, i taught this girl to cook. she loves the power this gives her, so she tries to cook everything now. so for instance can't find halva ? "maybe i'll try cooking some!"
16:34	mircea_popescu	im like ya totally, first we build an oil press in the garage...
16:35	mircea_popescu	MTBmanTT you have about siox month's worth of reading to get up to speed.
16:35	ThickAsThieves	but there is a lot on trilema worth reading
16:35	MTBmanTT	...great
16:35	mircea_popescu	that link is only relevant in the context of a previous discussion we were having, re some other blown exchange.
16:36	ThickAsThieves	under the mpex and bitcoin tags
16:36	ThickAsThieves	some other tags too
16:36	mircea_popescu	but you may want to start by reading the chan log
16:36	MTBmanTT	kk
16:36	MTBmanTT	ty, ill start with that link
16:36	ThickAsThieves	youll end up needing to pay for a cookie
16:39	MTBmanTT	like browser cookie, or go down the street n buy a snack while im reading a while?
16:39	mircea_popescu	lol
16:40	mircea_popescu	trilema lets you read like 5 articles a week or some shit. i forget exactly.
16:41	MTBmanTT	who is this guy/ site "trilema" Ive come across it once before when reading an article on "solarwind"
16:41	mircea_popescu	;;later tell bingoboingo jborkl_ by the way, someone should make a complete history of labcoin. like a post-mortem. all those juicy quotes in the forum and whatnot... splendid story for the future generations.
16:41	gribble	The operation succeeded.
16:41	MTBmanTT	i appreciate the help btw :)
16:41	kakobrekla	lmao
16:41	mircea_popescu	MTBmanTT some asshole.
16:42	MTBmanTT	ah, no shortage of them!
16:42	kakobrekla	lmao#2
16:43	assbot	Last 15 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1413628/plain/)
16:43	kakobrekla	!b 15
16:43	kakobrekla	ty
16:43	kakobrekla	keep it going
16:43	kakobrekla	i need more stuffs
16:44	jcpham	this trilema dude needs his head examined
16:45	jcpham	maybe even elctro-shock therapy
16:45	kakobrekla	i heard his own court found him guilty
16:45	jcpham	no way!
16:45	kakobrekla	so no doubts
16:45	mircea_popescu	simple minded psychotic dood.
16:46	jcpham	what the hell is a trilema anyways
16:46	jcpham	is that when you have three choices
16:46	mircea_popescu	it's when you have three choices but just one m.
16:46	jcpham	that's terrible luck
16:48	kakobrekla	is there such thing as nilema?
16:48	mircea_popescu	no, because niggers don;'t have options.
16:48	ThickAsThieves	99 problems and a trilema aint one
16:49	kakobrekla	i didnt have teh niggers in mind really
16:49	jcpham	better than a quadlema
16:49	mircea_popescu	here's a trilemma for y'all : either monucleosis or bisexuality.
16:51	kakobrekla	that depends
16:51	kakobrekla	if bisexuality is permanent
16:52	mircea_popescu	speaking of bitcoin finance, anyone here saw cannibal holocaust ?
16:52	kakobrekla	some parts
16:52	kakobrekla	:)
16:52	mircea_popescu	kik
16:52	MTBmanTT	long ago
16:52	mircea_popescu	it
16:53	mircea_popescu	's like nature channel with some bits of spice channel spliced in.
16:53	kakobrekla	lol
17:04	MTBmanTT	would it be ok, if I were to ask some stupid n00b questions?
17:05	CopperWireBeard	you mean another one? i kid i kid
17:05	MTBmanTT	lol true that
17:06	MTBmanTT	is there a site, or link somewhere I can go to,and read up on how a newbie like me doesnt get taken to the cleaners? Some of these scam "companies" are convincing at times- wondering if somene made a post about it
17:07	mircea_popescu	;;google bitcoin drama timeline
17:07	gribble	The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline>; BitCoin Drama Continues After Hours \| Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-10/bitcoin-drama-continues-after-hours>; Bitcoin bubble burst? Currency suffers dramatic correction \| Internet ...: <http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57578985-93/bitcoin- (1 more message)
17:07	mircea_popescu	that's an old article. in general your best bet is to lurk here and see what people say.
17:07	kakobrekla	that idiot again
17:07	kakobrekla	hes onto everything.
17:08	MTBmanTT	sweet, thank you
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17:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00085737 = 4.3297 BTC [+] {3}
17:26	CopperWireBeard	stay away from the amazing labcoin for now - not that you could buy shares anyway
17:26	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
17:28	turbo_ac100	labcoin...
17:28	kakobrekla	just put all your coins in bitbet cold storage
17:29	jurov	no, s.mpoe cold storage.. preferably via coinbr xD
17:31	jurov	isn't it wonderful such a thing (airgapped mpex acct) is fully feasible?
17:32	mircea_popescu	i think so.
17:45	gsj	can anyone on bitfunder buy some shares for me and transfer to my acct? I will offer 5 %
17:45	gsj	PM, must be reputable
17:48	mircea_popescu	your account on where ?
17:52	jurov	;;gettrust gsj
17:52	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user gsj: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=gsj \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gsj \| Rated since: never
18:00	ThickAsThieves	gsj, transfers to US users are blocked
18:00	ThickAsThieves	on BF
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18:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00084931 = 1.6137 BTC [-]
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18:50	MTBmanTT	@_@ so much btc crap to read
18:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00225133 = 0.1688 BTC [-] {2}
18:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.93267189 = 59.691 BTC [+] {6}
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.931 = 4.655 BTC [-] {2}
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.9305 = 1.861 BTC [-] {2}
18:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 270 @ 0.00903071 = 2.4383 BTC [-] {7}
18:57	kakobrekla	welcome to ASSets
18:57	jig	:)
18:58	ThickAsThieves	you are in amazing company
18:58	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
18:58	kakobrekla	sorry, was ment for MTBmanTT specifically but ok you can have it too jig
19:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2281 @ 0.00084931 = 1.9373 BTC [-]
19:03	MTBmanTT	It really seems to me that the only way for a new guy to get started is... exchanges/share buying, faucets, and buying btc locally.. mining just seems like an endless burden :\
19:04	kakobrekla	well
19:04	kakobrekla	you can skip faucets
19:04	kakobrekla	:)
19:04	MTBmanTT	yea they seem pretty low lol
19:07	jurov	faucets can be good to explore transaction fees ;)
19:09	MTBmanTT	@jurov Can you elaborate a little, do mean from like an inputs.io addy to your main? or the fees for the base payout from the faucet itself?
19:10	jig	privmsg kakobrekla i'll share the love.
19:10	jig	sigh
19:10	jurov	i had fun when i accumulated dust from faucets (although then they paid ~0.001/day) and realized i can't spend it without exorbitant tx fees
19:11	jurov	somehow i figured how to make feeless tx to myself and then wait almost day for it to clear
19:12	jurov	now with antidust rules it could be yet more involved
19:12	jurov	anyway, i gave up on faucets and bought btcs with euros proper.. but i learned something
19:13	MTBmanTT	hmm, dont we pay a tx fee if the tx is over a certain amount anyway?
19:13	MTBmanTT	makes sense on your end, I would too
19:13	kakobrekla	you pay fee for small tx [small in btc ammt]
19:13	kakobrekla	big ones are free
19:13	jurov	if it's big then actually you don't need fees anyway
19:14	kakobrekla	suck it plebs!
19:14	kakobrekla	jk.
19:14	MTBmanTT	ahhh, ok
19:14	MTBmanTT	ty answers alot for me
19:14	jurov	and if it's small tx that collects many unspent outputs together, then fees can be painful
19:15	MTBmanTT	good point
19:16	kakobrekla	but really if you have dust problem
19:16	kakobrekla	just use coin control build
19:16	kakobrekla	and make a big tx to yourself with all that change
19:16	kakobrekla	and attach as many other not needed inputs
19:16	kakobrekla	so its free
19:19	MTBmanTT	hmm, definitely is interesting, id have to search around on how to do that
19:22	MTBmanTT	alright, I got one more for everyone and ill shush- has anyone heard of these guys, and if they're legit or not: https://bitcoinera.net/
19:23	kakobrekla	better to put your coins to bitbet cold storage
19:23	ThickAsThieves	a legit scale of 1-10
19:23	ThickAsThieves	-75
19:25	turbo_ac100	https://bitcoinera.net/ lol.
19:25	ozbot	Bitcoin Wallet \| Online Bitcoin Wallet & Investing in Bitcoin - 6% monthly on your bitcoin deposits
19:25	turbo_ac100	"Our team consists of major players in the bitcoin economy, some of the biggest localbitcoins.com traders, investors, gambling site operators and more.
19:25	turbo_ac100	Each one of us already has positive cash flow, but to get things done faster and for being able to execute larger trades we could use some extra capital."
19:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00084833 = 1.2725 BTC [-] {2}
19:25	turbo_ac100	"We make real investments which wont lose value"
19:26	ThickAsThieves	and they figure the best way is to steal it
19:26	MTBmanTT	yea that part bothered me
19:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.98758999 = 1.9752 BTC [+]
19:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.0094 = 0.4888 BTC [+]
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19:53	jig	salut
19:55	kakobrekla	if id be a part of bitcoinera and got new capital to invest from others, id invest it in bitcoinera, seems like a sweet deal
19:56	ThickAsThieves	better than xbond!
19:57	kakobrekla	i think i know what 'era' stands for
19:57	kakobrekla	its 'eraser'
20:04	turbo_ac100	Or better yet: 1) buy lots of mcxFEE (only 1 BTC!!!) 2) get pay-banned a lot 3) profit!!
20:04	turbo_ac100	.01 BTC per 5 minutes
20:04	kakobrekla	pay-banned?
20:04	turbo_ac100	yeah.
20:04	kakobrekla	wasdat
20:04	turbo_ac100	"PAID BAN: duetschpire has chatbanned fireinyourhole for 50 minutes and given everyone some fees. They typed /payban fireinyourhole 0.1"
20:04	turbo_ac100	https://mcxnow.com/exchange/MCX
20:04	ozbot	mcxFEE Exchange - Buy mcxFEE with Bitcoin
20:05	kakobrekla	O_o
20:05	turbo_ac100	yep.
20:05	kakobrekla	i can ban you for free
20:05	turbo_ac100	^^
20:07	turbo_ac100	I'll pay you notaproblem.
20:08	kakobrekla	ill take it!
20:08	kakobrekla	distribute to #bitcoin-assets shareholders n stuff
20:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.0008505 = 2.8492 BTC [+]
20:16	kakobrekla	o look
20:16	kakobrekla	elden comes out of the hole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309270.0
20:22	bgupta	so been reading about S.NSA's first product. Why not just install suitable GPG subkeys on one of these? http://www.g10code.de/docs/openpgp-card-2.0.pdf (And keep your master key airgapped in a safe place)
20:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2075 @ 0.0011068 = 2.2966 BTC [-] {16}
20:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3578 @ 0.00084679 = 3.0298 BTC [-]
20:24	bgupta	Only issue I see with opengpg/gpg smartcards is that although the latest spec supports 4096bit keys, the current shipping devices don't..
20:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40000001 BTC [-]
20:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
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20:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00869663 = 1.6698 BTC [-] {11}
20:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00084909 = 3.7785 BTC [+] {3}
21:01	thestringpuller	ASEEMBLA
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21:39	pankkake	one of my addresses is on https://bitfunder.com/assetlist though I never bought anything from bf
21:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00852196 = 0.4346 BTC [-] {2}
21:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 306 @ 0.0085047 = 2.6024 BTC [-] {5}
21:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40000001 BTC [+]
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22:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.9075901 = 8.1683 BTC [-] {8}
22:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00939997 = 0.799 BTC [-]
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23:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.0008526 = 4.0072 BTC [+]
23:19	mircea_popescu	bgupta because one of those is not particularly designed to resist attack.
23:20	mircea_popescu	as prev discussed, those things are mostly a teaching tool. the same reason you don't race cars made out of legos, you don't use the openpgp smartcard for actual security.
23:23	mircea_popescu	pankkake now that's suspicious. u 100% sure ?
23:23	pankkake	yes, I checked, it's mine; however I do know I signed up on BF with it
23:24	pankkake	it has only one share
23:24	pankkake	still, probably a bug somewhere
23:25	mircea_popescu	i c
23:28	bgupta	mircea_popescu: discussed previously? In IRC or elsewhere? (My issue with current implementations, is the key lengths they support are too short, but the latest version of the spec seems to address that)
23:29	mircea_popescu	i dropped the link as a response to your blog comment,
23:29	mircea_popescu	but here it is : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2013#346180
23:30	mircea_popescu	You are also reminded that any inappropriate remarks or jokes concerning security may result in your arrest << teh us improves every day lol
23:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.92 BTC [+]
23:41	pankkake	https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/air_gaps.html this could be of interest to S.NSA :)
23:41	ozbot	Schneier on Security: Air Gaps
23:44	mircea_popescu	"The advice I shared included using Tor" for the record, that particular tidbit has most people involved in compsec scratching their heads at schneier.
23:45	mircea_popescu	" It's impossible to completely avoid connecting the computer to the Internet"
23:45	mircea_popescu	heh. bs. tyvm, i'm done reading that crap.
23:46	mircea_popescu	for the further record, any piece of hardware that was ever at any point in its life connected to the internet can no longer be used as part of an airgapped system. period.
23:47	mircea_popescu	"I downloaded and installed OpenOffice, a PDF reader" no srsly. this is ludicrous.

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