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00:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002401 = 0.024 BTC [-]
00:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.0024 = 0.48 BTC [-]
00:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002398 = 0.024 BTC [-]
00:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 417 @ 0.002392 = 0.9975 BTC [-]
00:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 116 @ 0.002385 = 0.2767 BTC [-]
00:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00235 = 0.0588 BTC [-]
00:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 450 @ 0.00234 = 1.053 BTC [-]
00:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 24 @ 0.00232 = 0.0557 BTC [-]
00:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2000 @ 0.0023 = 4.6 BTC [-]
00:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00227 BTC [-]
00:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 745 @ 0.00212 = 1.5794 BTC [-]
00:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [COG.F] 4 @ 2.5 = 10 BTC [+]
00:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2099 = 1.0495 BTC [+]
00:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 185 @ 0.017885 = 3.3087 BTC [-]
00:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 38 @ 0.2098 = 7.9724 BTC [-]
00:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 37 @ 0.2099 = 7.7663 BTC [+]
00:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066767 = 2.885 BTC [+]
00:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5665 @ 0.00066771 = 3.7826 BTC [+]
00:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.9301 = 9.6505 BTC [+]
00:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0173 = 0.173 BTC [+]
00:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.01805 = 2.7256 BTC [+]
00:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.768 = 3.536 BTC [+]
00:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7699 = 3.5398 BTC [+]
00:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [+]
00:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.0173 = 0.7439 BTC [+]
00:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.772489 BTC [+]
00:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.772489 = 5.3175 BTC [+]
00:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7729 = 7.0916 BTC [+]
01:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.775 = 7.1 BTC [+]
01:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.775 = 5.325 BTC [+]
01:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.62 BTC [-]
01:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 42 @ 0.01805 = 0.7581 BTC [+]
01:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.775 BTC [+]
01:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.775 BTC [+]
01:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7845 = 3.569 BTC [+]
01:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78495 BTC [+]
01:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.785 = 30.345 BTC [+]
01:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.0173 = 0.1903 BTC [+]
01:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 301 @ 0.01805 = 5.4331 BTC [+]
01:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01805 BTC [+]
01:40	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0173 BTC [+]
01:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.785 BTC [+]
01:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0173 = 0.3633 BTC [+]
01:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 599 @ 0.01805 = 10.812 BTC [+]
01:47	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.785 = 8.925 BTC [+]
01:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.788 = 3.576 BTC [+]
01:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.789 = 3.578 BTC [+]
01:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01808 = 0.4701 BTC [+]
02:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.017399 = 0.4176 BTC [+]
02:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000666 = 0.0013 BTC [+]
02:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0026 = 0.013 BTC [-]
02:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0026 = 0.0052 BTC [-]
02:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00255 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
02:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.00253 = 0.1898 BTC [-]
02:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.0022 = 0.0066 BTC [+]
02:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00214 = 0.214 BTC [-]
02:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 95 @ 0.00212 = 0.2014 BTC [-]
02:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.017399 = 0.2958 BTC [+]
02:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0174 BTC [+]
02:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01746 = 0.2968 BTC [+]
02:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 124 @ 0.01808 = 2.2419 BTC [+]
02:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 350 @ 0.018095 = 6.3333 BTC [+]
02:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 12 @ 0.002578 = 0.0309 BTC [+]
02:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7342 @ 0.01780001 = 130.6877 BTC [-]
02:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0175 = 0.4375 BTC [+]
02:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0175 BTC [+]
02:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.787 BTC [-]
02:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7879 BTC [+]
02:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.01759 = 0.4222 BTC [+]
02:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01759 = 0.1055 BTC [+]
02:40	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78799 BTC [+]
02:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.789 BTC [+]
02:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3185 @ 0.00066771 = 2.1267 BTC [+]
02:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9615 @ 0.00066776 = 6.4205 BTC [+]
02:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.789 BTC [+]
02:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.017594 = 0.0704 BTC [+]
02:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7895 = 5.3685 BTC [+]
02:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.7898 = 12.5286 BTC [+]
02:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.017594 = 0.2815 BTC [+]
02:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7898 = 7.1592 BTC [+]
02:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.017595 = 0.7214 BTC [+]
02:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234997 BTC [+]
02:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [-]
03:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+]
03:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.0176 = 1.0384 BTC [+]
03:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0176 = 0.0704 BTC [+]
03:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00252 BTC [-]
03:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00066767 = 7.0105 BTC [-]
03:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00066687 = 2.2674 BTC [-]
03:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3 @ 0.002527 = 0.0076 BTC [+]
03:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7898 BTC [+]
03:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00651 BTC [-]
03:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7898 = 5.3694 BTC [+]
03:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78989 BTC [+]
03:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.789999 = 12.53 BTC [+]
03:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.0176 = 0.6512 BTC [+]
03:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0176 BTC [+]
03:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0176 = 0.1584 BTC [+]
03:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1034 = 0.3102 BTC [-]
03:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 14 @ 0.103 = 1.442 BTC [-]
03:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 5 @ 0.019 = 0.095 BTC [+]
03:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.78 BTC [-]
03:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.0176 = 1.056 BTC [+]
03:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+]
03:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.017628 = 0.3349 BTC [+]
03:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.78 = 7.12 BTC [-]
03:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 71 @ 0.017628 = 1.2516 BTC [+]
03:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 122 @ 0.01763 = 2.1509 BTC [+]
03:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.79 = 17.9 BTC [+]
03:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.79 = 5.37 BTC [+]
03:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.795 = 3.59 BTC [+]
03:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.002517 = 0.2517 BTC [-]
03:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.799 = 7.196 BTC [+]
03:47	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.79999 = 3.6 BTC [+]
03:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.79999 BTC [+]
03:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 58 @ 0.01725 = 1.0005 BTC [-]
03:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01765 = 0.3354 BTC [+]
03:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.79999 BTC [+]
03:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.79999 = 7.2 BTC [+]
03:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.799999 = 18 BTC [+]
03:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 1.8 = 28.8 BTC [+]
03:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8185 @ 0.00066776 = 5.4656 BTC [+]
03:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4015 @ 0.00066788 = 2.6815 BTC [+]
03:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00069 BTC [+]
03:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7885 @ 0.00066788 = 5.2662 BTC [+]
03:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4561 @ 0.00067001 = 3.0559 BTC [+]
03:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
03:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01765 = 0.1942 BTC [+]
04:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.000699 = 0.0035 BTC [+]
04:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01765 = 1.1473 BTC [+]
04:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00251 = 0.0251 BTC [-]
04:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 304 @ 0.002511 = 0.7633 BTC [+]
04:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.799999 = 5.4 BTC [-]
		~ 16 minutes ~
04:29	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.799999 = 3.6 BTC [-]
04:30	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
04:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
04:37	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01765 = 0.353 BTC [+]
04:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.002789 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
04:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
04:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.8 = 16.2 BTC [+]
04:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01769 = 0.1061 BTC [+]
04:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01769 = 0.1946 BTC [+]
04:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
04:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8 BTC [+]
05:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0181 = 0.905 BTC [+]
05:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 24 @ 0.0181 = 0.4344 BTC [+]
05:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01769 = 0.3184 BTC [+]
05:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0177 = 0.4425 BTC [+]
05:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0177 = 0.1593 BTC [+]
05:08	jurov	;;bc,stats
05:08	gribble	Current Blocks: 236585 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1302 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 13 hours, 34 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12120186.6326 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.33921
05:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002577 BTC [+]
05:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8617 @ 0.00067001 = 5.7735 BTC [+]
05:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00067099 = 6.0389 BTC [+]
05:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4101 @ 0.00067157 = 2.7541 BTC [+]
05:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5149 @ 0.00067157 = 3.4579 BTC [+]
05:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873 @ 0.00067214 = 0.5868 BTC [+]
05:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.8 = 37.8 BTC [+]
		~ 19 minutes ~
05:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01775 = 0.3728 BTC [+]
05:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.01773 = 1.1525 BTC [-]
05:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.002577 = 0.0103 BTC [+]
05:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.019 = 0.475 BTC [+]
06:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01773 = 0.3014 BTC [-]
06:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+]
06:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.73 = 1.46 BTC [-]
06:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01775 BTC [+]
06:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01775 = 0.0888 BTC [+]
06:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.01775 = 1.4733 BTC [+]
06:20	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.81 = 3.62 BTC [+]
06:20	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.0178 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
06:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0179 = 1.253 BTC [+]
06:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01795 = 1.2565 BTC [+]
06:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01795 = 0.4847 BTC [+]
		~ 16 minutes ~
06:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01795 = 0.2334 BTC [+]
06:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 552 @ 0.0181 = 9.9912 BTC [+]
06:46	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186043.0;all
06:46	mircea_popescu	that thread is so much win
06:47	davout	we shouldn't do racist jokes
06:47	davout	racism is a crime
06:47	davout	and crime is for niggers
06:47	Chaang-Noi	lol
06:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 374 @ 0.0181 = 6.7694 BTC [+]
06:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00253 = 0.0127 BTC [-]
06:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00252 BTC [-]
06:50	mircea_popescu	haha
06:50	mircea_popescu	is that chapelle ?
06:50	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173433.msg2178901#msg2178901
06:50	mircea_popescu	pietila is back!
06:50	Chaang-Noi	yes
06:50	Chaang-Noi	did you see his post about being in the insane lock up or whatever?
06:51	Chaang-Noi	he had a meltdown it seems
06:51	Chaang-Noi	his rontus guy, seems as crazy as he is...
06:52	mircea_popescu	pretty lol honestly now.
06:52	mircea_popescu	paypal never had this quality of trolling.
06:52	mircea_popescu	and believe it or not, trolling is culture.
06:53	davout	dumb people don't know how to troll
06:53	Chaang-Noi	im very aware trolling is a fine art
06:53	mircea_popescu	and moreover, take any bit of preserved literacy, what is it ?
06:53	mircea_popescu	anything voltaire ever wrote, is it not trolling ?
06:53	davout	the very bitcoin project is trolling banks and haters since day 1
06:54	mircea_popescu	Eine logisch-mathematische Untersuchung uber den Begriff der Zahl , what is that ?
06:54	mircea_popescu	is it not trolling ?
06:54	Chaang-Noi	i trolled theymos, got banned for it, was good times
06:54	mircea_popescu	swift's modest proposal, trolling through and through.
06:55	Chaang-Noi	but honestly im not sure reptillia is trolling, i think he might really be crazy
06:55	Chaang-Noi	dullusions of self grandure, if he is trolling he gets 10/10
06:55	mircea_popescu	it's spelled delusions you know
06:55	mircea_popescu	and grandeur
06:56	Chaang-Noi	i dont bother with speelling "correctly"
06:56	Chaang-Noi	im happy if you understand my ideas :)
06:58	Chaang-Noi	Update
06:58	Chaang-Noi	The mass production of Block Erupter USB is to be done today.
06:58	Chaang-Noi	00t
06:58	Chaang-Noi	10,000 usb stick at hmm... 2 btc each... not bad not bad at all
07:01	Chaang-Noi	http://merlinsmagicbitcoins.com/ lol wtf?
07:03	mircea_popescu	ya totally.
07:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01795 BTC [+]
07:14	truffles	awww that sites so cute
07:16	furuknap	Yeah, I can't wait to rush in. I get a seat at a round table! Weeee!
07:17	mircea_popescu	o hallo
07:18	jurov	As for safety, I do not know any official classification of this place, but my gut feeling is that in order for anyone (which means, anyone) to take me out of here alive, it requires an operation that cannot be planned in secret, and the lead time is minimum 48 hours. If dead, it can be achieved relatively quickly, but there will be considerable (100,000+) collateral damage if the success needs to be achieved at a greater than 75% probability.
07:18	jurov	reptilia needs some kind of serius recognition for this
07:19	mircea_popescu	jurov he got it didn't he
07:19	mircea_popescu	"Bitcoin's master troll to date"
07:19	jurov	yes, sth like that
07:20	mircea_popescu	course it'd be important to discern if the safety is designated or actual.
07:20	jurov	OMFGLBBQ: My experiences tell that even the patients here are eager to buy by the truckload, as soon as they get into the position to do so.
07:21	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.81 BTC [+]
07:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 178 @ 0.0181 = 3.2218 BTC [+]
07:22	Chaang-Noi	not sure how reptillia can be a supernode he is going to try and bull a satoshi
07:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [+]
07:22	Chaang-Noi	1.82 nice
07:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+]
07:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [+]
07:23	Chaang-Noi	an attack on 120?
07:24	jurov	sorry for spamming I really cannot even: I sent only a 2-ppl detachment to the Bay area, but they are my Ambassadors and have full authority to spend as many bitcoins as deemed necessary to subdue all, as well as I myself am subdued under the authority of Finnish government right now.
07:24	Chaang-Noi	i wonder if he got jailed cuz he did not pay the hotel, then went crazy
07:25	jurov	Bay Area Surrenders to Risto de Silver I.
07:26	mircea_popescu	jurov o may gawd
07:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01795 = 0.3411 BTC [+]
07:26	Chaang-Noi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206948.0;topicseen man, this looks like a scam waiting to happen
07:27	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi it's all over the scam forum already
07:27	Chaang-Noi	oh
07:28	Chaang-Noi	ihad him on ignore for a month now cuz i thought he was a scammer
07:28	Chaang-Noi	ripple is perfect for scammers, shocked this was not done sooner
07:29	mircea_popescu	i don't think he's a scammer, he seems like a kid with mostly good ideas ocasionally getting ahead of himself.
07:29	furuknap	You mean tradefortress?
07:29	mircea_popescu	furuknap yeah
07:29	Chaang-Noi	he wanted to do a trade with me with out escrow, red flags went up, just m gut reaction
07:29	mircea_popescu	jurov if tortilla actually comes to timisoara do you want early warning to show up ?
07:30	jurov	yes pls
07:30	Chaang-Noi	why would he go?
07:30	mircea_popescu	it will cost you 1337 megabictoinz
07:30	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi because he has correctly identified me as the most important entity in btc ?
07:30	Chaang-Noi	lol
07:30	Chaang-Noi	he trolled you into thinking that?
07:31	truffles	lol
07:31	mircea_popescu	ahh that was too good to pass on
07:31	truffles	correctly lol
07:31	jurov	np, i'll pay in s.mpoe microshares
07:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.01798 = 1.4384 BTC [+]
07:32	Chaang-Noi	reptillia wants to be a supper node, but he just be crazy...
07:32	ThickAsThieves	micro AM shares are the real currency du jour
07:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01798 = 0.2877 BTC [+]
07:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01799 = 0.036 BTC [+]
07:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.01799 = 1.2053 BTC [+]
07:33	ThickAsThieves	friggin price is bubbling too fast...
07:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018 = 1.8 BTC [+]
07:33	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi you're just butthurt that he's not ivisting indochina or w/e unhard of bumfuck
07:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
07:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.01807 = 0.8312 BTC [+]
07:33	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that's why they're no good as currency. smpoe is bubbling slow.
07:33	Chaang-Noi	investing indo china?
07:33	mircea_popescu	voseting!
07:33	mircea_popescu	i that we don't care about spoaling
07:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01807 = 3.614 BTC [+]
07:34	Chaang-Noi	even my only investment is in china, and that is asic miner
07:34	Chaang-Noi	asic miner seems to be kicking ass, so make fun of asia all you want, you and super node have fun making out :)
07:34	mircea_popescu	see ? you're bubblebutthurt
07:34	Chaang-Noi	;;asks 120
07:34	gribble	There are currently 4776.8374 bitcoins offered at or under 120.0 USD, worth 573088.28631 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
07:35	Chaang-Noi	yes i am so jelly of you and supernode being bbf
07:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01807 = 0.0361 BTC [+]
07:36	mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136878931844.jpg
07:37	Chaang-Noi	turkey?
07:37	mircea_popescu	ya
07:38	Chaang-Noi	always nice to see the muslium star and cresent at the white house...
07:38	Chaang-Noi	s.dice is starting to ban us ip addresses, true or fud?
07:39	Uglux	land of the free
07:39	davout	fo
07:40	Chaang-Noi	so the only thing eric does in a year of development is ban 1/2 its users, hmm
07:40	davout	from the website
07:40	mircea_popescu	americans don't belong on the internet anyway
07:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.187 BTC [-]
07:41	davout	like i repeated like 10 times now, some investor large enough to give a fuck about it will simply clone the website and make it available in the US without erik being able to do jack shit about it
07:41	Uglux	there are clones already
07:41	davout	of SD or of its website?
07:43	mircea_popescu	Uglux he means that it's trivial to make 500 s.dice websites
07:43	mircea_popescu	as unauthorised copies.
07:43	mircea_popescu	ie, the banning is toothless.
07:43	davout	mircea_popescu: yup, wasn't sure if he meant cloning the concept or its website
07:43	ThickAsThieves	maybe so
07:44	ThickAsThieves	but the banning is certainly not progress
07:44	mircea_popescu	depends in what perspective.
07:44	davout	so basically no one cares, zero fucks given
07:44	mircea_popescu	it removes possibly the largest argument the us could have brought.
07:44	davout	ThickAsThieves: it is a nice marketing stunt
07:44	mircea_popescu	in that, it is progress.
07:45	ThickAsThieves	marketing ploy, progress, or one more nail in the coffin, whichever it is, I'm over it for now :)
07:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [+]
07:45	mircea_popescu	" To say that a young woman has a vagina or that she has sexual intercourse is an affront to her modesty that is not tolerated. The correct and expected reference is to her cunt and to fucking."
07:46	mircea_popescu	this in nigeria apparently
07:46	mircea_popescu	because english was the language of the upper class white people, and so it is respectable
07:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00066737 = 0.7007 BTC [-]
07:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00066687 = 2.4674 BTC [-]
07:54	Chaang-Noi	The meeting with the doctor ended in a mutual agreement that I am too manic to continue posting on this forum.
07:54	Chaang-Noi	his newest post... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg2179552#msg2179552
07:54	pigeons	yay rpietella
07:54	pigeons	if he "eats his medicine" he won't be able to see bitcoin visions anymore
07:56	mircea_popescu	lol
07:56	mircea_popescu	i wonder if there's going to be a forum ambassador nao
07:57	Chaang-Noi	rontus already posted i the thread
07:57	mircea_popescu	is it the same guy ?
07:57	Chaang-Noi	i think its his main assistant
07:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 317 @ 0.01810998 = 5.7409 BTC [+]
07:58	Chaang-Noi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16424
07:58	mircea_popescu	Date Registered: May 31, 2011, 06:28:02 AM
07:58	mircea_popescu	dude gtfo, this is something awful.
07:58	Chaang-Noi	"I am one of the hosts for this summit."
07:58	mircea_popescu	i guess i will have to yield my sa trolling competition.
07:59	mircea_popescu	they certainly did a lot better than any of teh bitcoin ppl on their own forum.
07:59	Chaang-Noi	"
07:59	Chaang-Noi	I met Risto for the first time last autumn in some Bitcoin related stuff."
07:59	mircea_popescu	yaya
07:59	Chaang-Noi	if this guy is AS and reptillia too, mad props, sending 93k usd as part of a trolling operation is epic shit
08:00	mircea_popescu	they got the bitcoin neh ?
08:00	mircea_popescu	no big deal, i'm sure people wanting to buy btc can be found.
08:00	mircea_popescu	and this worked otc.
08:01	Chaang-Noi	sure but really, if this was just a troll buying 700 btc is pretty into it
08:01	Chaang-Noi	10/10 for sure
08:01	mircea_popescu	ya but i guess if the goons got together
08:01	mircea_popescu	they might have been able to find someone who wanted to buy 100k worth of btc and didn't know how.
08:01	mircea_popescu	but yes, certainly epic shit.
08:01	Chaang-Noi	yeah it can be done, sure. im just impressed, but i still dont think he is a troll, just a nutter
08:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.84 = 9.2 BTC [+]
08:02	Chaang-Noi	a nutter who shockingly got locked up
08:02	mircea_popescu	i am inclined to think it's goonery by now.
08:02	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi he said so, we don't know he actually has.
08:02	furuknap	After reading a bit now, I vote for nutter too.
08:02	mircea_popescu	how many nutters actually admit to being locked up ?
08:02	mircea_popescu	maybe 1 in 100
08:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.8495 = 9.2475 BTC [+]
08:03	ThickAsThieves	when it's just mild schizophrenias I think it's easy to know you are messed up
08:03	mircea_popescu	"Shit, if a tall and beautiful woman shows up at a Bitcoin conference we're all doomed anyway. "
08:03	Chaang-Noi	yeah, i understand, im not 100% sure but id say 70% he is just a crazy
08:03	mircea_popescu	lmao all these noobs.
08:03	mircea_popescu	mpoe-pr is like 5foot9
08:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 216 @ 0.01849 = 3.9938 BTC [+]
08:04	Chaang-Noi	5 foot 9 is tall for there?
08:04	mircea_popescu	?!
08:05	Chaang-Noi	short?
08:05	ThickAsThieves	fairly common in the US
08:05	mircea_popescu	Thailand167.5 cm (5' 5.9")157.3 cm (5' 1.9")
08:05	mircea_popescu	what the fuck you on about goatboy
08:05	Chaang-Noi	i know asians are shorter, i live here
08:06	mircea_popescu	so then what "for there" ?
08:06	mircea_popescu	Sweden180 cm (5' 10.9")166.9 cm (5' 5.7")
08:06	mircea_popescu	apparently 5foot 9 is tall for sweden
08:06	Chaang-Noi	if you cout all the other races, she is white right?
08:06	Chaang-Noi	anyway, i gota go for a bit, peace
08:07	mircea_popescu	sweden is white...
08:07	pigeons	once you go black...
08:08	mircea_popescu	must suck to be black and with a normal penis these days
08:08	pigeons	so disappointing
08:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.220001 BTC [-]
08:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-]
08:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [-]
08:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.21001 = 0.42 BTC [-]
08:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00066937 = 4.217 BTC [+]
08:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.210001 = 0.84 BTC [-]
08:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.21 = 2.1 BTC [-]
08:16	Chaang-Noi	cognitive sell off, hmm
08:16	mircea_popescu	what's cognitive again ?
08:17	Chaang-Noi	rpietilla post two more if anyone cares
08:17	Chaang-Noi	cognitive is a smallish mining operations with mostly gpus and some fpgas
08:17	truffles	yall like drama just as much as me
08:17	Chaang-Noi	they have invested into bfl and are going to invest in avalon
08:17	Chaang-Noi	i ahve some as a hedge against AM
08:17	Chaang-Noi	i hold 5% of the company and got in at an average prioce of .11 so im pretty happy
08:18	mircea_popescu	However I will still be able to breathe inside the house, plus drink and eat reasonably well. So my lifestyle, which was originally fit for a king, is still fit for a travelling salesman.
08:18	mircea_popescu	it's pretty good.
08:18	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi well i dunno if 5btc counts as a selloff if they have an actual business then.
08:18	Chaang-Noi	yeah its just the most action downward i have seen from them in a while
08:19	Chaang-Noi	they do have a real business, and ahve been around a long time, but they are not exactly racking in the btc at this point
08:19	pigeons	"Annina Rusila, Personal Secretary. Annina is helping Roni to achieve the mission. She is travelling single. For the reason that she is in close cooperation with Roni, though, she is not allowed to smoke during the conference (except if/when Roni sends her to solitary mission)."
08:19	Chaang-Noi	i think it is over valued, its only to protect myself from a sudden bfl shipping, however it is looking less and less likely that that will happen any time soon
08:20	mircea_popescu	solitary msision ?!
08:20	mircea_popescu	"annina go jack off" ?
08:20	Chaang-Noi	when that guy worked with me about the wire he was very professional and seemed sane
08:21	Chaang-Noi	"1.5 class Bitcoin Supernode,"
08:22	Chaang-Noi	fuck, i forget his rankings... i wonder what i am...
08:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.85 = 7.4 BTC [+]
08:23	Chaang-Noi	1.85, nice
08:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01807 = 1.807 BTC [+]
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01848 = 0.2772 BTC [-]
08:32	Scrat	http://i.imgur.com/JiYOga7.jpg
08:32	Scrat	lol
08:32	Chaang-Noi	old buy good
08:32	Chaang-Noi	but
08:32	Scrat	i am new to the world of supernodes
08:32	Chaang-Noi	ahh
08:32	Chaang-Noi	mp is a supernode
08:33	Scrat	rename this channel to bitcoin-supernode
08:33	Chaang-Noi	we should!
08:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01807 = 0.1626 BTC [+]
08:36	Chaang-Noi	http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/05/15/184223110/new-rifle-on-sale
08:36	Chaang-Noi	want has
08:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.85 = 11.1 BTC [+]
08:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01807 = 2.7105 BTC [+]
08:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+]
08:37	Chaang-Noi	22k damn
08:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01848 BTC [-]
08:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.85 = 3.7 BTC [+]
08:42	furuknap	That rifle really just needs to know _who_ to shoot, and it would be perfect.
08:45	Chaang-Noi	:)
08:46	furuknap	1.85. People are nuts.
08:46	Chaang-Noi	it is under valued :)
08:46	ThickAsThieves	I agree
08:47	ThickAsThieves	but
08:47	furuknap	Can't be.
08:47	ThickAsThieves	I do wish it would slow down a lil
08:48	furuknap	It's priced now as to not stand a chance in 2016. That'll kill a lot of dreams...
08:49	furuknap	There must be a serious correction or a lot of people are going to be very angry at the cat.
08:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.859 BTC [+]
08:50	ThickAsThieves	furuknap
08:50	furuknap	Yes, dear?
08:50	ThickAsThieves	you assert your opinions and guesses like they are facts
08:50	ThickAsThieves	this will bite you in the ass
08:50	furuknap	It's just math.
08:50	ThickAsThieves	and stop you from having persective
08:50	ThickAsThieves	perspective
08:50	ThickAsThieves	no
08:51	ThickAsThieves	math is just one piece
08:51	ThickAsThieves	share value is much more than ROI
08:51	furuknap	No, it's the entire basis of myu perspective. I realize that suckers will follow the herd, but that's really not how I want to do business.
08:52	ThickAsThieves	your logic would require nearly all investors to be suckers
08:52	ThickAsThieves	in all markets
08:52	ThickAsThieves	it would also make you a sucker
08:52	furuknap	No, it wouldn't, and that kind of argument isn't really effective. There's a major difference of evaluating risk and not standing a chance in hell.
08:53	furuknap	Right now, we're rapidly trending towards negative ROI if friedcat achieves everything he says. That's not a chance in hell.
08:53	furuknap	I can understand people being passionate, I just don't want to pay ฿1 for ฿0.5.
08:53	ThickAsThieves	I'm not going to debate you too hard on all this, I have been watching your posts and made my own opinions about your predispositions
08:53	ThickAsThieves	you are your own worst enemy
08:54	ThickAsThieves	and self-righteous without warrant
08:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.859 = 7.436 BTC [+]
08:54	Uglux	http://imgur.com/i7kB7EO freshly mined innocent coins will be worth a lot soon(tm)
08:54	furuknap	Like I said, I based my opinions on math, nothing more.
08:54	ThickAsThieves	I recommend hardcore perspective
08:54	furuknap	Actually, I would favor in the direction of risk, but right now, there isn't risk, it's suicide.
08:55	ThickAsThieves	ask yourself "okay, i have made my analysis, now how could I make myself totally wrong"
08:55	ThickAsThieves	then weigh both sides
08:55	furuknap	I've been doing that, three ways over.
08:55	ThickAsThieves	yet you sold too soon
08:55	furuknap	No, I sold at 1.78 including options. I had secured that at around 1.50.
08:56	ThickAsThieves	how many shares?
08:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 55 @ 0.01807 = 0.9939 BTC [+]
08:56	furuknap	That's roughly 5% from current top. I have no problems missing the top bu as much as 30-40% even, especially when I see there are no fundamentals supporting the price above that.
08:56	ThickAsThieves	this isnt the top
08:57	furuknap	30 or so shares? I don't remember exactly.
08:57	ThickAsThieves	so so far you have lost $250 plus next week's dividends
08:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+]
08:57	furuknap	Yes, and I'
08:57	furuknap	bah
08:58	furuknap	Yes, and I've also gained far more. You're not going to sucker me into that trap :-)
08:58	ThickAsThieves	i don't have any desire to sucker you into anything
08:58	furuknap	Nobody ever lost from walking away with a profit.
08:58	ThickAsThieves	LOL
08:58	Uglux	pirate maybe :P
08:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.86 = 5.58 BTC [+]
08:59	furuknap	I've doubled my money in a month and not taken any risk. I'm perfectly capable of living with not getting the last few drops of the can.
08:59	ThickAsThieves	you assume it won't sit at 2.2 for 4 weeks
09:00	ThickAsThieves	or that share value won't erode slower than div payout
09:00	furuknap	No, I'm assuming there's no support for a price above 1.50ish even at twice the rate that friedcat predicts.
09:00	ThickAsThieves	it appears there is
09:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00159999 = 0.8 BTC [+]
09:01	furuknap	That's where that darn math comes in again and says you're wrong.
09:01	ThickAsThieves	my math says you're wrong
09:01	ThickAsThieves	so there
09:01	ThickAsThieves	:P
09:01	furuknap	Heh, I wish it were that simple :-)
09:01	ThickAsThieves	it is
09:01	ThickAsThieves	$250 so far
09:01	ThickAsThieves	pretty simple
09:01	furuknap	Yeah. And what type of math do you use? The pink one?
09:02	truffles	maffs is nice
09:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.01839 = 0.4781 BTC [+]
09:02	ThickAsThieves	I use that furry math
09:02	furuknap	Oohh.. Furries are nice.
09:03	furuknap	Sadly, they mostly exist in fantasy.
09:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.018396 = 1.4717 BTC [+]
09:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 77 @ 0.018397 = 1.4166 BTC [+]
09:04	furuknap	I realize people buy on far more than ROI. I don't. Even if the price goes up to 2.5, it will still be within what I'm perfectly comfortable 'loosing' by just taking 1.10 per share (and even a bit more since I got a few of the waves right).
09:05	ThickAsThieves	Sneak peak for ya'll. I'm sponsoring SMiguel's charts to live at http://www.asicminercharts.com/
09:05	mircea_popescu	haha cool
09:05	ThickAsThieves	he hasn't announced yet
09:05	furuknap	Nice, TAT.
09:05	truffles	sponsoring?
09:05	mircea_popescu	how's the data acquired ?
09:05	ThickAsThieves	not sure
09:06	mircea_popescu	>.>
09:06	furuknap	That's actually one thing that the BTC community lacks. Sponsoring of useful information. Clark Moody is fine, but all the ad services are crap.
09:06	ThickAsThieves	probly a mix
09:06	mircea_popescu	what are you sponsoring ?
09:06	ThickAsThieves	his work
09:06	mircea_popescu	furuknap been sayin' it since 2012.
09:06	ThickAsThieves	AM community has been enjoying it
09:06	truffles	nice big charts
09:06	ThickAsThieves	and no one is tipping him
09:06	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves ye know what i mean. gotta know what it is.
09:06	ThickAsThieves	I don't
09:07	ThickAsThieves	you mean what did I pay?
09:07	truffles	one should always tip, good on u TAT
09:07	mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ the long version
09:07	mircea_popescu	the short version : don't sponsor things you don;'t understand, they may blow up in your face.
09:07	ThickAsThieves	I seem to be out of credits
09:07	ThickAsThieves	which doesnt make sense
09:07	ThickAsThieves	had at least 1000
09:07	truffles	lol
09:07	furuknap	mp, I'm mostly recognized in the SharePoint community where there are two community players that run highly successful ad servics for bloggers and services. I've reached out to one of them who is also a sponsor for my next book and asked whether she'd be willing to look at a similar service for BTC community.
09:07	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves prolly cookie expired ?
09:07	mircea_popescu	furuknap that'd be great
09:08	truffles	whats the book about
09:08	ThickAsThieves	how do i fix my cookie?
09:08	furuknap	Advice for aspiring professionals in SharePoint.
09:08	ThickAsThieves	but anyway
09:08	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves re-make it
09:08	deadweasel	I'll fix your cookie ThickAsThieves
09:08	truffles	what is sharepoint
09:08	ThickAsThieves	I'll look up that email from you later
09:08	furuknap	Yeah, that sort of puts you out of the audience of the book :-)
09:09	truffles	my loss
09:09	furuknap	SharePoint is a business app platform from Microsoft.
09:09	mircea_popescu	furuknap i didn't even know there's a sharepoint community
09:09	mircea_popescu	the old ms office thing ?
09:09	ThickAsThieves	the guy has been supplying this chart, noted no tips, so I thought hmm, I'll back him up a little and see where it goes
09:09	furuknap	Not really old, it came out with the latest version in February.
09:09	ThickAsThieves	it's not charity
09:09	truffles	whats the price range of this book ?
09:09	ThickAsThieves	I get alink out of it
09:10	ThickAsThieves	he gets motivation to keep doing and developing it fiurther
09:10	mircea_popescu	don't go all defensive on me, i'm not saying it's bad
09:10	furuknap	This one is free. It's part of a test I'm running to see if I can get a better way of providing information to people. My other 20ish books cost around $20 each.
09:10	mircea_popescu	i'm just saying you gotta know the basic idea, where he gets the data, stuff like that.
09:10	ThickAsThieves	oh i didnt mean to sound dfensive
09:10	ThickAsThieves	just being quick
09:10	truffles	oh ure a writer?
09:10	mircea_popescu	furuknap which books be those ?
09:10	furuknap	I am.
09:10	truffles	may i have a sample
09:11	ThickAsThieves	I will ask him to post about how he pulls the data though
09:11	furuknap	You can hang on for a couple of days and the next one is out free. I'd be happy to send you other copies though.
09:11	ThickAsThieves	would be interesting
09:11	furuknap	http://uspjournal.com/ <- Most of my books. Others on Amazon.
09:11	truffles	couple of days like month?
09:11	Uglux	here is a derivative http://deepfriedcat.com/
09:11	furuknap	Couple of days as in most likley Monday.
09:12	truffles	ok
09:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.018397 = 0.2392 BTC [+]
09:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.0184 = 1.0488 BTC [+]
09:12	truffles	hmmm
09:13	mircea_popescu	furuknap so basically they're all on sharepoint ?
09:14	furuknap	Yup, at least the ones that are available. I've done a couple of private ones too. All IT, though.
09:14	mircea_popescu	anyway, i was thinking fo some stuff early 2000s
09:14	mircea_popescu	not sure if this is related.
09:14	truffles	not a fan of ur writing style ...
09:14	furuknap	truffles: I can't please everyone :-)
09:15	truffles	im easy though
09:15	truffles	not rly
09:15	furuknap	mp: What stuff is that?
09:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0184 BTC [+]
09:16	mircea_popescu	windows sharepoint was some old, pretty much abandoned stuff ms came out with in i think 2002
09:16	mircea_popescu	i think they merged half of it into frontpage
09:16	furuknap	2001, but OK, I'll bite.
09:16	ThickAsThieves	is that the one that was basically Outlook on a stick?
09:17	mircea_popescu	a okay.
09:17	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i can't for the life of me recall exactly wehat it was
09:17	ThickAsThieves	i think it's server-based Outlook
09:17	ThickAsThieves	eail for biz and stuff
09:17	ThickAsThieves	email*
09:17	furuknap	Yeah, the early stuff was pretty bad and distributed in two versions. One free was an extension of SharePoint and a server verson which was nothing of the sorts.
09:18	furuknap	No, it has nothing to do with Outlook.
09:18	mircea_popescu	so what's this new thing, microsoft cloud basically ?
09:18	furuknap	Think of it as a web base database with tons of services and user configuration and db design. It's an accident waitning to happen (and has happened) but it's widely adopted now.
09:19	ThickAsThieves	sure looks a lot like Outlook
09:19	ThickAsThieves	like if Outlook wanted to be Salesforce or something
09:19	furuknap	Yeah, but you also thinks the math looks like it support a price above 1.8.
09:19	furuknap	:-P
09:19	mircea_popescu	lmao the new guy has teeth
09:19	ThickAsThieves	lol
09:19	ThickAsThieves	new guy floats on his own hot air
09:20	furuknap	SharePoint is more like Notes if you have to compare it to something.
09:20	mircea_popescu	anyway, sorta back on topic : bitcoin finance desperately needs analysts, of the real kind
09:20	furuknap	I agree. It will come.
09:20	mircea_popescu	anyone starting a blog now on the topic and sticking to it professionally will be the gigaom/whatever of bitcoin in a decade.
09:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0183 = 0.0366 BTC [-]
09:21	truffles	ThickAsThieves most ppl assets are shareholders of mpex or sdice right?
09:21	ThickAsThieves	I have no idea
09:21	ThickAsThieves	I assum not
09:21	truffles	thats the vibe im getting
09:21	ThickAsThieves	I have some MPOE
09:21	truffles	same grouping
09:22	furuknap	Yeah, I'd love to do that, MP, but seriously, I'm not a finance guy. I understand the math, but I'm more technical than would make me a financial person of any repoute.
09:22	furuknap	*repute
09:22	mircea_popescu	hence the "anyone" :p
09:22	truffles	<furuknap dont worry mp's got it covered in his blog
09:23	mircea_popescu	i just repeat this periodically on the theory that hey, you never know.
09:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01848 = 0.0554 BTC [+]
09:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.86 BTC [+]
09:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.016132 BTC [-]
09:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8675 = 3.735 BTC [+]
09:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+]
09:24	furuknap	Exactly, but to get there, there needs to be a desire for professional information that is more visible. I'm testing the market with a new mining book in a few weeks (maybe a couple of months, depending on whether I move from Norway). Having some experience from publishing, I'd use that to understand the market and what people want.
09:24	mircea_popescu	pigeons https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206003.0 you seen that ?
09:24	mircea_popescu	furuknap usually markets need to be led.
09:25	mircea_popescu	arrington didn't appear because there was a desire for tech crunch
09:25	furuknap	It does, but the leader also needs to know what people want.
09:25	mircea_popescu	he made it and then there was suddenly a desire for it, five years down the line
09:25	mircea_popescu	i don't think any leader of any import ever cares what epople want. at issue is what people need.
09:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0185 BTC [+]
09:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0185 = 0.185 BTC [+]
09:26	mircea_popescu	what people want is too widely distributed and also quite likely to kill them.
09:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0185 = 0.037 BTC [+]
09:26	furuknap	OK, the leader (and that's not me, just so you don't think I'm blowing my own horn) needs to understand what people need. They usually say that by fierce opposition.
09:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0185 = 0.148 BTC [+]
09:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01852 = 0.426 BTC [+]
09:26	mircea_popescu	indeed :)
09:27	furuknap	TAT: Are you listening? Now I'm having opinions not founded on math.
09:27	mircea_popescu	best indication ever that auschwitz was a bad idea : the jews didn't fight back at all.
09:27	furuknap	Not the example I'd use, but I get your point :-)
09:28	mircea_popescu	lol
09:28	ThickAsThieves	it's not the math that is the problem
09:28	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg2179249#msg2179249 lmao
09:28	mircea_popescu	so wait, two weeks!
09:29	furuknap	What was their original deadline? Weren't the due for going online in June?
09:29	mircea_popescu	picostocks ?
09:29	ThickAsThieves	maybe some psychosociologist figured two weeks is the best scam tolerance timeframe
09:30	mircea_popescu	the story is that they had a 1mn ish investmenty with tom van ripyou of basic
09:30	mircea_popescu	which poofed
09:30	mircea_popescu	so then they made another 1mn ish investment with bitfury
09:30	furuknap	Yeah, I read up on the origonal 75TH mine, but I also got the impression that bitfury was more legit.
09:30	mircea_popescu	while bitfury seems pretty certain he;ll deliver, i still very much doubt that investment exists.
09:30	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/
09:30	mircea_popescu	whoa the bet is about even now
09:31	furuknap	That would be fraud from two well known and public people. Do you think that's likely?
09:31	mircea_popescu	picostocks is neither known nor public.
09:31	mircea_popescu	his statements that he's invested with third parties are his own.
09:32	furuknap	No, but the people behind it are published in the business plan and seems reputable on brief research.
09:32	mircea_popescu	i came with opposite results from the same research.
09:33	ThickAsThieves	maybe you didnt use enough math?
09:33	furuknap	Or maybe I used too much :-)
09:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01848 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
09:34	mircea_popescu	i used a 1.5 math diode
09:34	ThickAsThieves	:)
09:34	mircea_popescu	furuknap but i mean, what exactly is your judgement there ?
09:34	mircea_popescu	something like "here are names so it's legit" ? the pietila guy also throws names around
09:34	furuknap	On 100th? Not sure. It looks a bit too good to be true.
09:35	ThickAsThieves	Is there any evidence from any unproven ASIC provider that shows any reason to assume it's a lie til it ships?
09:35	ThickAsThieves	not a lie*
09:36	ThickAsThieves	even the ones that ship rarely really do
09:36	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well, i count the 100 btc of bitfury's as some evidence
09:36	furuknap	I think the entire community is skeptical due to some key providers being late and scams. AM showed it's possible. The swedes work with very reputable companies. 100TH certainly has put a lot of effort into what at the time seemed like a peanut reward.
09:37	mircea_popescu	furuknap where's the effort ?
09:37	ThickAsThieves	the bet is an odd way to prove yoursel
09:37	ThickAsThieves	d
09:37	ThickAsThieves	f
09:37	ThickAsThieves	maybe it's a ploy
09:38	furuknap	The business plan, the picostocks setup, the putting your name on the line. At the time, there weren't asking for much. It's become a lot since then, but at the time, I mean, if you wanted to scam someone, at least you should do it big.
09:38	ThickAsThieves	If the bet is proof, why not 500btc?
09:38	furuknap	Provided the people behind it really are the people in the business plan, they seem like smart enough people that if they wanted, they would scam someone for far more money.
09:40	furuknap	Faking a couple of results from their bio work would probably yields orders of magnitude more reward. They're putting their own names on the line so they'll have to disappear anyway, so why not scam for $50million instead?
09:41	ThickAsThieves	or maybe the bet is just mp trollin'
09:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.01848 = 1.6632 BTC [+]
09:42	furuknap	Well, I doubt he'd risk his name and reputation for a few million either...
09:45	pigeons	people who run ponzi schemes basically scam, trash their name and reputation, etc, for usually $0
09:45	furuknap	Yeah, but if you were doing that, would you rather have $5M or $500M?
09:45	pigeons	if he was a scammer he would do it for more money is not an effective heuristic
09:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01852 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
09:46	furuknap	Maybe. On the other hand, they could also easily have scammed anonymously and not have the burden of tainting their names.
09:47	truffles	how many ppl actually care for reputation..
09:47	pigeons	"if he was scamming, he wouldn't use his real identity" is not an effective heuristic
09:48	pigeons	trendon shavers, bernie madoff,
09:48	truffles	madoff was seemed like a pro!
09:48	furuknap	Yeah, but Madoff scammed for bilions.
09:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01852 = 0.037 BTC [+]
09:50	pigeons	trendon and madoff and the rest scammed for enough to pay old investors and enough to eat
09:50	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves but if it's a ploy it'll be expensive.
09:50	furuknap	Deson't matter if they care for it. They could have done it without. IF (and I capitalized that intentionally) the people in tne BP are the real people and not just a Google image search, what possible reason could they have for adding their names when they don't have to?
09:50	ThickAsThieves	if betting goes his way it won't be expensive
09:50	ThickAsThieves	and he can always bet the other side
09:50	mircea_popescu	furuknap i have yet to see a pgp signed declaration from any of these people.
09:51	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves even if he bets the other side.
09:51	furuknap	MP: True, but the BP is also denominated in USD, not BTC, so they seem to be targeting people outside the community who may not be aware of the tradition of PGP signed stuff.
09:51	mircea_popescu	he has 100 btc on the line. if he puts 1000 on the other side to make back his 100 he still pays the rake
09:52	mircea_popescu	furuknap or who may be naive of exactly how scam friendly bntc is
09:53	furuknap	Again, it seems way too much effort for essentially peanuts. I don't know. Might throw a few coins there to see if it sticks.
09:53	mircea_popescu	you
09:53	pigeons	there are pages of debate today on bitcointalk about how this site that you pay .25 btc for him to mine .3 btc for you on his nvidias cant be a scam because people have been getting paid
09:53	mircea_popescu	're new. pigeons has been here through the scams. when he says "not an effectual heuristic" he is speaking from a place of pain.
09:54	furuknap	I understand that, and I eat so much salt these days, I'll be a mummy by the end of the summer. This doesn't smell right though (and right here would be scam).
09:55	furuknap	Not saying it smells roses either, just to be clear on that.
09:57	pigeons	i haven't even looked into whatever you're talking about. I just saw "if he was scamming he would do it for more money and why would he use his real name"
09:57	pigeons	and if you're even making those points, something is wrong
09:57	furuknap	Of course IF (again intentionally) this is legit AND they deliver within a reasonable time frame, the proposition is a gold mine, perhaps more so than AM even.
09:58	pigeons	...
09:59	furuknap	Actually, I wasn't trying to make a point of it, I was just responding to a question about what I thought of the project. From the projects I have evaluated, those were distinguishing characteristics in addition to a growing confidence that such a delivery is technically feasible. Two months ago, I probably wouldn't have given it a second glance.
09:59	furuknap	*distringuishing characteristics of the _business plan_
09:59	furuknap	bah, where' s the spell checker.
10:03	furuknap	I need to fix dinner...
10:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2109 = 1.0545 BTC [+]
10:04	truffles	steak?
10:05	furuknap	Raindeer meatballs.
10:05	truffles	balls yum
10:09	mircea_popescu	wait, you're a girl !?
10:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01852 = 0.2593 BTC [+]
10:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.0811 = 2.1622 BTC [-]
10:12	truffles	if that question is directed at me, your will is so weak ...
10:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.018521 = 1.1113 BTC [+]
10:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.228999 BTC [+]
10:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1500 @ 0.00159999 = 2.4 BTC [+]
10:24	furuknap	I'm not a girl if you were asking me...
10:24	mircea_popescu	a ok. balance is preserved.
10:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.87 = 3.74 BTC [+]
10:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
10:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [+]
10:28	deadweasel	truffles you're clearly ruining our sausagefest in here, at least pretend to own a johnson.
10:29	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
10:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
10:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.018521 = 0.0926 BTC [+]
10:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018521 = 0.0556 BTC [+]
10:33	truffles	deadweasel hate cliques though
10:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.018521 = 0.4445 BTC [+]
10:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 98 @ 0.01674 = 1.6405 BTC [+]
10:34	mircea_popescu	lol sexist
10:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.017 = 0.034 BTC [+]
10:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8422 BTC [-]
10:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.842 = 9.21 BTC [-]
10:36	parseval	That price is too high..
10:38	furuknap	That's what I keep saying...
10:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8452 BTC [+]
10:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.845 = 14.76 BTC [-]
10:43	ThickAsThieves	I like how everyone is thanking Friedcat for paying high divs as a strategy
10:44	ThickAsThieves	I like the divs n all, and I do think AM can grow further
10:44	ThickAsThieves	but it's not exactly a strategy to payout all the monies
10:44	Namworld	Friedcat should start developping a second chip
10:44	truffles	dont like monies now?
10:44	ThickAsThieves	he is
10:44	Namworld	one on the smallest process
10:45	Namworld	What is it, like 10-15nm?
10:45	ThickAsThieves	"About the argument of dividend payments, our view is that we will distribute the net income after necessary costs are excluded and funds for foreseeable future (expansion, gen-2 chips) are reserved."
10:45	ThickAsThieves	he doesnt say
10:45	ThickAsThieves	I think what it is
10:45	ThickAsThieves	is that AM makes so much money from the shares they already hold
10:46	ThickAsThieves	paying out high divs is enough
10:46	ThickAsThieves	and still leaves plent mmoney for reinvestment
10:46	ThickAsThieves	plenty*
10:46	ThickAsThieves	he has already been reserving some for a while
10:46	ThickAsThieves	and pays his bills early
10:47	ThickAsThieves	he did make it clear that new ventures, unrelated to mining, would not be wrapped under the current asset
10:47	ThickAsThieves	but that he is dedicated to AM first and foremost
10:47	ThickAsThieves	until it can run with "less founder involvement"
10:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 63 @ 0.018478 = 1.1641 BTC [-]
10:53	furuknap	Namworld: So far, the Swedes are the ones that attempts the smallest process of 28nm. Current AM is 130nm. It will take a long time to get smaller process right, as I understand it.
10:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87495 BTC [+]
10:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 634 @ 0.018478 = 11.7151 BTC [-]
10:56	deadweasel	truffles, I think of #assets as more of a pulse than a clique, it's a good place to cut through the bitcoin FUD as it floods up to our necks.
10:56	deadweasel	stay here, stay close to the pulse of bitcoin.
10:56	pgp	yes
10:56	pgp	nerve center of bitcoin world
10:56	ThickAsThieves	did I ignore truffles by mistake or something?
10:56	ThickAsThieves	you're replying to "[10:44] <truffles> dont like monies now?"?
10:57	ThickAsThieves	oh i see it now
10:57	ThickAsThieves	nvm
10:58	deadweasel	i was in a meeting, way behind. ;)
10:59	pgp	lol
10:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018521 = 0.0556 BTC [+]
11:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 54 @ 0.01849555 = 0.9988 BTC [+]
11:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00067238 = 1.412 BTC [+]
11:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 1.9 = 17.1 BTC [-]
11:03	truffles	<ThickAsThieves> oh i see it now>> only cuz yesterday u said u loved money..
11:04	Chaang-Noi	zup pervz, what imiss?
11:04	truffles	<deadweasel> i guess my interest just wanes with btc
11:04	truffles	i need drama!
11:04	Chaang-Noi	btc is full of drama, hardly 1 week goes by with no drama
11:04	Chaang-Noi	btc is sooo much better than hollywood
11:05	truffles	yea but is it my kind of drama
11:05	truffles	like ohmy shocking the price dips
11:05	deadweasel	damn you must love the forums
11:05	truffles	i skim
11:06	Chaang-Noi	forums haz some lulz
11:07	deadweasel	the spamcoin nonsense has lowered the bar, which is hard for the forums.
11:09	pgp	way too much noise on forums for my tastes, though
11:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.018521 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
11:10	pgp	i find that I mostly rely on links posted here for especially juicy stuff
11:10	deadweasel	me too, but there are some nuggets down there.
11:10	deadweasel	gotta mine the bitcoin, gotta mine the forums, gotta mine the IRC.
11:10	truffles	heh
11:10	pgp	indeed!
11:10	truffles	there were some interesting comments in the DHS threads
11:10	optimator	truffles: you want drama? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg2179552#msg2179552
11:11	deadweasel	I liked numismatics write of the whole deal
11:11	deadweasel	optimator, have you drunk the spaten optimator?
11:11	optimator	yumm
11:11	deadweasel	:) i know. miss it.
11:12	truffles	rpietila is sick though
11:12	deadweasel	he is.
11:12	truffles	its hard to laugh when theyre not well
11:12	deadweasel	agreed.
11:13	optimator	deadweasel: you can't get it where you are?
11:13	truffles	if he's leveling then well played
11:13	deadweasel	it sure seems like there is a correlation between the loudest BTC voices the most mentally unstable.
11:13	Chaang-Noi	i think yes
11:14	Chaang-Noi	and being one of the more loud i would say yeah
11:14	deadweasel	optimator: I have gluten intolerance/yeast issues, so I had to give up bier 5 years back.
11:14	truffles	true believers ...
11:14	optimator	i think rpietilia nailed it with the word manic
11:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1048 = 1.048 BTC [+]
11:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1049 = 0.2098 BTC [+]
11:14	deadweasel	don't say that, truffles takes offense to 'manic'. ;)
11:14	truffles	haha
11:14	optimator	deadweasel: i just tried a sorghum beer - not bad
11:15	deadweasel	Red Bridge is good, but i LOVE Greens, they make nice bier for us gluten pansies.
11:15	Chaang-Noi	beer can be made from anything, and if it is cared for and done well, it will be good:)
11:15	deadweasel	way too much $$, and the yeast still gets me, so I stick to scotch and wine.
11:16	deadweasel	but your nick brought back happy optimator memories
11:16	deadweasel	that i'd since forgotten
11:16	optimator	:)
11:16	optimator	you know normal people don't change the world
11:17	truffles	im pretty normal, im doomed
11:17	furuknap	Anyone know how many shares the 100TH people sold in the IPO?
11:17	Chaang-Noi	you dont need to change the world to win, but it can help :)
11:17	Chaang-Noi	100Th people?
11:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 96 @ 0.01849555 = 1.7756 BTC [+]
11:18	truffles	changing the world is a tall order
11:18	furuknap	The people behind the 100TH project then...
11:18	deadweasel	Chaang-Noi: some new mining scam, probably.
11:18	furuknap	:-)
11:18	Chaang-Noi	i know of most legit things before they happen
11:18	Chaang-Noi	iv never heard of this
11:19	furuknap	Bitfury?
11:19	truffles	well when the DHS raids begin, maybe the btc drama will be super intense
11:19	Chaang-Noi	oh bitfurry?
11:19	furuknap	Heh, yeah...
11:19	mircea_popescu	i don't think picostocks and bitfury are actually related
11:19	Chaang-Noi	dhs raids?
11:19	mircea_popescu	other than the former's claims to investment in the later.
11:19	truffles	theorizing
11:19	truffles	department of homeland security
11:20	Chaang-Noi	what are they going to raid? the block chain?
11:20	truffles	lol
11:20	furuknap	From what I understand, the birst Bitfury batch is 200 TH, of which 100TH goes to the mine, 50 TH to Bitfury, and the rest to undisclosed private investors.
11:20	Chaang-Noi	nall the can do is lock up some fiat, who gives a fuck
11:20	truffles	im sure theyll try something
11:20	furuknap	I just wanted to know how many IPO shares they sold so I could put it into a model to see if it's profitable.
11:20	Chaang-Noi	i dont know, sorry
11:21	optimator	here's a nice read http://hplusmagazine.com/2013/05/02/the-ones-who-change-the-world/
11:21	deadweasel	< Chaang-Noi> what are they going to raid? the block chain?
11:21	deadweasel	awesome
11:21	Chaang-Noi	is deepbit behind bitfurry?
11:21	mircea_popescu	i ride the blockchain baby
11:21	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi nope.
11:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4165 @ 0.00067238 = 2.8005 BTC [+]
11:22	Chaang-Noi	dont know enoghh about bitfurry :/ but sounds risky
11:22	furuknap	Hehe, you deduce that from the name?
11:22	mircea_popescu	i think its bitfury
11:23	Chaang-Noi	from the lack of people who i knew that invested in it or think its a good idea
11:23	optimator	is bitfury fpga? or asic?
11:23	Chaang-Noi	bitfury is a better name than bitfurry :)
11:23	furuknap	It is bitfury. So far as I've researched now, and excuse my noobishness if this is obvious, he's a Russian guy that had some incredible talent with FPGAs and then went on to design ASICs.
11:23	Chaang-Noi	they seems to be asic if its 100th
11:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 754 @ 0.01849555 = 13.9456 BTC [+]
11:24	Chaang-Noi	however if they claimed to get 100th with fpga and they sold stock on it, epic troll:)
11:24	furuknap	I've only seen him post in Russian, thought, and my Russian is a bit rusty.
11:24	Chaang-Noi	id give them props for that
11:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.018521 = 1.8521 BTC [+]
11:24	furuknap	No, they're slling it as ASICs.
11:24	mircea_popescu	afaik he/they are russian
11:24	Chaang-Noi	my russian is a bit fury
11:24	mircea_popescu	optimator made a fpga last year, now claims an asic
11:25	Chaang-Noi	still, only chinese have made an asic, (other than bfls 5ghs)
11:25	Chaang-Noi	the 10 or so prototypes
11:25	mircea_popescu	well, so maybe the russians did too.
11:25	Chaang-Noi	he claims to have it now?
11:26	Chaang-Noi	and if made in russia ill be impressed
11:26	furuknap	They claim the wafers are done and ready tro be bumped and packaged, yes. Expected delivery in two weeks.
11:26	Chaang-Noi	oh, interesting
11:26	furuknap	Doesn't have to be made in Russia even if Bitfury is Russian. The 100TH people are from Poland.
11:26	Chaang-Noi	well, i guess we will see
11:26	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/
11:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 94 @ 0.018521 = 1.741 BTC [+]
11:26	optimator	2 weeks- does everything in the chip world in two weeks?
11:26	mircea_popescu	there, he put a 100 btc on the theory that he shows working asic doing < 1watt per ghs
11:27	optimator	droped a word - happen
11:27	mircea_popescu	ie, much better than asicminers'
11:27	mircea_popescu	furuknap the 100th people are claioming to have bought his stuff.
11:27	furuknap	Yeah, about 8 times 'better' than AM chips first gen.
11:27	furuknap	Yeah, I'll see if I can find the reference, I have about 28 tabs up right now.
11:27	mircea_popescu	he also claims that 22 peta hash is doable in one run
11:28	mircea_popescu	which is a lot better than asicminer too, seeing how they still don't have the 12th promised for feb/march
11:28	mircea_popescu	but hey. claims are cheap.
11:28	furuknap	That's in chip production. 22 peta isn't exactly deliverable :-)
11:28	furuknap	AM has far more than 12 TH now.
11:28	mircea_popescu	o it does ?
11:28	Chaang-Noi	AM is having problems now with not enough places to run their stuff, they have it, just no internet/electric
11:28	mircea_popescu	where was that ThickAsThieves link
11:28	furuknap	I think they're either pushing or have poassed 20 THs.
11:28	Chaang-Noi	mp, AM has been over 20th for a while
11:29	ThickAsThieves	www.asicminercharts.com
11:29	furuknap	They were scheduled to veliver 3-10 TH per week over the past two weeks.
11:29	furuknap	*deliver
11:29	mircea_popescu	a ok there it is.
11:29	mircea_popescu	happened coupla weeks ago
11:29	Chaang-Noi	they also just sold a shit load of units cuz, people paid crazy prices for them
11:30	furuknap	It's been flat for about a week, though, and I think I read they had problems finding stable space, although that might be earlier.
11:30	Chaang-Noi	they have the hardware just not the space
11:30	Chaang-Noi	that is why they are focusing on selling and making the usb units now
11:30	Chaang-Noi	and at 2 btc each, why the hell not :)
11:31	mircea_popescu	indeed.
11:31	furuknap	Yeah, but they need to sell a hell-uva-lot of them and so far the only order I've seen is a few hundred from a US group buy.
11:31	mircea_popescu	good move to sell as many as they can at that price.
11:31	Chaang-Noi	10,000 is there run this time around
11:31	truffles	“My daughter waited one minute to get on ‘It’s a Small World’ — the other kids had to wait 2 1/2 hours,” crowed one mom, who hired a disabled guide through Dream Tours Florida…
11:31	Chaang-Noi	there are about 10 group buys and some people getting more than 300
11:32	Chaang-Noi	easy 5,000 alreasy sold
11:32	furuknap	The European group buy got mad attention after a /. post, selling around 800 in a day.
11:32	Chaang-Noi	tehy will sell all 10,000 units
11:33	ThickAsThieves	i dont like that he made the blade sales private
11:33	Chaang-Noi	what do you mean?
11:33	Chaang-Noi	it was a public auction?
11:33	ThickAsThieves	he has an open thread up
11:33	furuknap	I agree, but I'm sure hell post sales numbers after a while.
11:34	ThickAsThieves	basically you email him how many you want
11:34	ThickAsThieves	made to order
11:34	Chaang-Noi	oh
11:34	furuknap	Chaang: yeah, but not there's a retail thread with "mail me to buy" stuff.
11:34	Chaang-Noi	hmm
11:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14291 @ 0.00067238 = 9.609 BTC [+]
11:34	furuknap	*now
11:34	Chaang-Noi	well honestly at this point, we just have to trust friedat
11:34	ThickAsThieves	obv
11:35	ThickAsThieves	transparency is much nicer tho
11:35	Chaang-Noi	agree
11:35	Chaang-Noi	but even so, we never were going to get 100% like we all want
11:35	ThickAsThieves	not taht people werent already emailing him for deals
11:35	Chaang-Noi	we have no idea how much he is paying for labor, equipment and the like
11:35	Chaang-Noi	people were e-mailing me for deals!
11:35	furuknap	I trust his honesty. A bit skeptical about business abilities.
11:35	truffles	friedcat seems like the real most interesting man in btc
11:36	mircea_popescu	furuknap he's operationally good, or at least way better than everyone else in btc
11:36	truffles	or 1 of the few
11:36	mircea_popescu	financially clueless, but that;'s not exactly a crime, few op managers grok finance.
11:36	furuknap	mp, absolutely, which is why I have faitrh in the operation if they can calm down a bit.
11:36	Chaang-Noi	anyone who can get 255 of the network is going to lack in some areas
11:36	Chaang-Noi	25%
11:36	mircea_popescu	well they've created a few problems for themselves with the horde of clueless investors, but anyway.
11:37	mircea_popescu	in other news : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/335417437388435457
11:37	Chaang-Noi	i was clueless when i bought in, i only did it cuz of my past relatioship with him and he seemed like an honest guy. i had no idea how he expected to beat bfl
11:37	ThickAsThieves	lol, mp
11:38	ThickAsThieves	need meme of pope dove and spray of bitcoins
11:38	furuknap	Problem is, if or when there comes a correction, those clueless investors will cry 'bubble share' whenever they can, tainting AMs ability to appeal to serious investors.
11:39	ThickAsThieves	this also depends on how aggressive board seat holders wanna be
11:39	ThickAsThieves	they are the ones with the selling power
11:41	mircea_popescu	totally.
11:43	furuknap	BTW, mp, -PR seems a bit skeptical about the whole 100TH thing. You probably read it already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1495160#msg1495160
11:43	Namworld	http://i.imgur.com/VEKzIOY.jpg
11:43	Namworld	Pretty sure that's called thievery
11:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8749 BTC [-]
11:43	Chaang-Noi	she thinks AM is a scam too
11:43	Namworld	Sure, I bet the power companies hate it.
11:44	Chaang-Noi	i do think i looked into this before, i did not like what i saw
11:44	Chaang-Noi	pico stocks
11:44	Chaang-Noi	bitfury
11:45	Chaang-Noi	wonder what will happen.. even if legit, could run into same issues as bfl and the chips just dont work
11:45	truffles	i keep hearing Piccolo every time its said..
11:45	furuknap	That's always a risk. Same can apply to AM 2nd gen.
11:45	furuknap	Or the Swedes.
11:45	Chaang-Noi	i kinda thought friedcat was smart going with the very very old tech
11:46	Chaang-Noi	and yes the second gen could fail, but AM has so massive deep pockets and the right contacts at this point
11:46	truffles	"1. You're nobody", isnt that where most people stop reading??
11:46	furuknap	Yeah, that was genious, and I mean that. Realizing how complex it would be, he got an old beat-down horse and bet that there wouldn't be any other horses in the race.
11:46	furuknap	He was right, and we've been bathing in gold ever since.
11:49	furuknap	The drawback of that strategy is that he still needs to get a proper racehorse at some point, and the process isn't going to be quicker for him. People think he can just snap his fingers and have 262 TH in production, but with the current tech, that takes a lot of space and he's already running into issues with that.
11:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8748 BTC [-]
11:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8748 BTC [-]
11:55	furuknap	Here's Bitfury with some more technical details on his chip, in the 100TH thread. MP, I doubt he would post there so casually if he had no relationship with 100TH. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1509922#msg1509922
11:56	mircea_popescu	i don't credit such implications at all.
11:57	furuknap	Ah, I thought you meant something along those lines. I thought you said the only relationship was that 100TH claimed to have purchased Bitfury chips.
11:57	furuknap	My bad if that wasn't your intention.
12:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.01863 = 0.8942 BTC [+]
12:01	Chaang-Noi	119.9 again.. we cant get higher than that...
12:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01863 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
12:05	mircea_popescu	furuknap is what i meant. some guy "posting casually" in some forum thread is no argument for anything
12:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00066723 = 1.568 BTC [-]
12:06	mircea_popescu	Chopard jewels worth more than $1 million have been stolen at the Cannes film festival
12:06	mircea_popescu	bitcoin wearers unaffected.
12:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
12:07	ThickAsThieves	crash!
12:07	furuknap	Ah, OK. Well, the more I read, the more it seems that there's just way too much effort here to scam someone for peanuts.
12:07	Chaang-Noi	1.4? lol
12:07	furuknap	I bet an otion exercise :-)
12:07	Chaang-Noi	yeah
12:07	furuknap	*option
12:07	ThickAsThieves	:)
12:07	Chaang-Noi	has to be
12:08	Chaang-Noi	<mircea_popescu> bitcoin wearers unaffected. im going to make a necklace out of a casasicus 1000 gold coin
12:08	mircea_popescu	lol
12:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.217 BTC [+]
12:09	Chaang-Noi	fuck see that buy wall at 118???
12:09	Chaang-Noi	if real we are going upppppppp
12:09	Chaang-Noi	on a friday
12:10	furuknap	Wall at 118? I see 750 there if you're talking Gox?
12:10	Chaang-Noi	i see over 9000
12:10	Chaang-Noi	;; bids 118
12:10	gribble	There are currently 10058.458 bitcoins demanded at or over 118.0 USD, worth 1187353.50463 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds
12:11	Chaang-Noi	yes that is over 9000
12:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8425 = 3.685 BTC [+]
12:11	furuknap	Hm... Reloading Clark...
12:11	furuknap	Ah, now it's there...
12:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-]
12:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8402 BTC [-]
12:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8401 BTC [-]
12:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.835201 BTC [-]
12:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01865 = 0.0933 BTC [+]
12:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01865 BTC [+]
12:13	Chaang-Noi	http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000169018
12:13	furuknap	This is the Battle of the $120. 10K sell before 122 too.
12:14	Chaang-Noi	1000 just bought at 19.9
12:15	Chaang-Noi	almost
12:15	Chaang-Noi	119.97
12:15	furuknap	Everything seems to point to 120+ shortly. Sadly, I chickened out on the Dwolla dip by not buying. I believe I will be hitting myself on the head for that.
12:15	Chaang-Noi	119.98
12:16	furuknap	Another 100.
12:16	furuknap	1K more!
12:17	furuknap	Just a couple hundred left.
12:17	Chaang-Noi	120
12:17	furuknap	There we are!
12:17	Chaang-Noi	we got to get over the wall however
12:17	furuknap	Yeah, but it's falling fast.
12:18	furuknap	1K left.
12:18	furuknap	900
12:18	furuknap	800
12:18	furuknap	600
12:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00066723 = 0.1668 BTC [-]
12:18	furuknap	Damn!
12:18	furuknap	400
12:18	furuknap	200
12:18	furuknap	100
12:18	furuknap	Gone!
12:18	Chaang-Noi	:)
12:18	davout	AAAND IT'S GONE
12:18	furuknap	BUY, BUY, BUY!
12:19	Chaang-Noi	121
12:20	furuknap	Holy moses...
12:20	Chaang-Noi	?
12:20	Chaang-Noi	its a break out
12:20	Chaang-Noi	now we need to see about 125
12:20	Chaang-Noi	cuz if we do 125!!!!
12:21	furuknap	...then you sell out and buy a mountain of cocaine?
12:21	Namworld	LIMIT BREAK
12:21	Chaang-Noi	iv already done that
12:21	Namworld	Too much pressure...
12:22	Chaang-Noi	i dont need more hookers and coke money
12:22	Chaang-Noi	anyway off for a beer bbl
12:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067238 = 7.3289 BTC [+]
12:30	WILLdude	Hi!
12:39	furuknap	Gribble? GRIBBLE! Noooooo!
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01825 = 0.0365 BTC [-]
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01820001 = 4.095 BTC [-]
12:41	furuknap	To answer my own question from earlier (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1531597#msg1531597): [L]ooks like they sold 518271 shares. IPO is now closed.
12:41	davout	don't do cocaine
12:41	davout	MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR
12:41	davout	:D
12:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.229 BTC [+]
12:49	furuknap	MP, any way to reach you in private?
12:51	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.871 BTC [+]
12:52	mircea_popescu	furuknap /query mircea_popescu
12:53	mircea_popescu	davout : the girl wants you to know that she's answered "spoken like a true gypsy" in the nigger thread but some mod beleeted it.
12:53	mircea_popescu	now im doing pr for my pr ;/
12:54	Chaang-Noi	i warned you about here
12:54	Chaang-Noi	her*
12:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 51 @ 0.01849 = 0.943 BTC [-]
12:55	davout	mircea_popescu: hah
12:56	davout	mircea_popescu: we shall have a concert for the conference #2
12:56	mircea_popescu	lol kickass
12:56	mircea_popescu	o, you registered yet ?
12:57	davout	no
12:57	davout	the fee for the music shall be equal to the fee for VIP registration
12:57	davout	xD
12:57	mircea_popescu	yeah but the music is paid after :D
12:58	Chaang-Noi	choo choo mother fucker!
13:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [+]
13:02	davout	mircea_popescu: you got me there!
13:02	davout	mircea_popescu: pay me in alcohol and romanian women
13:02	mircea_popescu	getting people there since 1993
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [-]
13:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.0184 = 0.9016 BTC [+]
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0183 = 9.15 BTC [-]
13:06	kakobrekla	someone is trying to sell me http://www.zeroblock.com/
13:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.83 BTC [-]
13:07	kakobrekla	omg
13:07	kakobrekla	>>Fucking Awesome.
13:07	kakobrekla	You feel like a hacker and shit.
13:07	kakobrekla	--
13:07	kakobrekla	O_o
13:07	kakobrekla	i dont see no skateboard
13:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 108 @ 0.0183 = 1.9764 BTC [-]
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13:10	kakobrekla	lol
13:10	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01841 = 0.1841 BTC [-]
13:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01839 = 0.0368 BTC [-]
13:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01839 BTC [-]
13:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01839 = 0.0552 BTC [-]
13:14	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2182646#msg2182646 --- furuknap u better ask him to show his math on that one
13:15	furuknap	Hehe :-D
13:15	furuknap	Even you won't be _that_ crazy...
13:16	ThickAsThieves	indeed!
13:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
13:19	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu >> Oh nice! Bitcoin stocks on MPEX was something we were looking at integrating eventually.
13:19	kakobrekla	hehe
13:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01839 = 0.4598 BTC [-]
13:19	mircea_popescu	who's that ?
13:19	kakobrekla	some guy from zeroblock.com
13:20	furuknap	TAT, could you tell me so I don't have to calculate myself, how much you get from the 5% in dividends on AM-PT?
13:20	mircea_popescu	aha...
13:20	mircea_popescu	i dunno what that even is ;/
13:20	ThickAsThieves	i get 5%
13:21	furuknap	No shit... What's that in BTC, then...
13:21	ThickAsThieves	it changes every week
13:21	mircea_popescu	roughly speaking about .001 btc
13:21	ThickAsThieves	it's very small
13:21	furuknap	From the entire PT? Geez.
13:22	ThickAsThieves	peoplethink of it like 5% of share value
13:22	ThickAsThieves	but its nowhere near that
13:22	ThickAsThieves	way smaller
13:22	furuknap	I realize it's just the dividends. Thought it had higher volumes.
13:23	ThickAsThieves	id need like 5000-10000 for it to even be notable
13:23	ThickAsThieves	we're at like 1000
13:23	furuknap	?? Isn't there around 10K on Bitfunder and 30K on BTCT?
13:24	ThickAsThieves	those are no fee
13:24	ThickAsThieves	and not run by me
13:24	furuknap	https://btct.co/security/TAT.ASICMINER <- Outstanding 28691
13:24	ThickAsThieves	i only run the fractional pt s
13:24	ll	/100
13:24	Chaang-Noi	125
13:25	furuknap	Ah, you're talking shares, not fractions. Got it.
13:26	Namworld	10000 TAT ASICM = 100 ASICM = 3 BTC. x5% = 0.15 BTC or 18 dollars
13:26	Namworld	He has to sell a lot
13:26	Chaang-Noi	and 125 wall is down, fuck yeah
13:26	Namworld	and 3 BTC is the last dividend which was high
13:26	ThickAsThieves	thats one aspect that frustrates me a bit
13:26	Namworld	uh?
13:26	ThickAsThieves	is people make a big deal about the 5%
13:26	Namworld	125 is far from being down
13:26	Namworld	120 is
13:26	Namworld	has been for a while
13:26	ThickAsThieves	but it's nothing
13:27	ThickAsThieves	they dont grasp the math
13:27	Namworld	Wait... it is
13:27	Namworld	It's slow on the updating here
13:27	Bugpowder	125 is down
13:27	Bugpowder	$1M buy
13:27	Bugpowder	went off
13:27	ThickAsThieves	wow
13:27	furuknap	Yeah, I just thought it was way bigger in volume.
13:27	Bugpowder	the 118 bidwall is down
13:27	Bugpowder	too
13:27	mircea_popescu	<furuknap> From the entire PT? Geez. << no dude. dividend was like 2%. he gets 1/20 iof that
13:28	mircea_popescu	so 1 per thousand. if he has 1k btc total float 1 btc
13:28	ThickAsThieves	furuknap, I actually recall you were the fist one to give me shit about it
13:29	furuknap	Yeah, because the volume should be much higher. I realize it didn't become as huge as when I suggested it.
13:29	Chaang-Noi	i still see the 118 bid wall ?
13:29	Chaang-Noi	bugpowder do you have me on ignore?
13:29	Bugpowder	nope
13:29	Bugpowder	wall at 118 used to be 10k
13:29	ThickAsThieves	what volume should be higher?
13:30	Chaang-Noi	wtf why did nam world say 125 is far from being dow, when it was gone?
13:30	Bugpowder	just the wall itself
13:30	Bugpowder	different sites are lagging
13:30	ThickAsThieves	5% of divs is entirely disproportionate a same to worry about considering the share value
13:30	Chaang-Noi	i see, lag...
13:30	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.018312 = 0.9156 BTC [-]
13:30	ThickAsThieves	do math on if i had 5000 whole-shares
13:30	Chaang-Noi	hmm i wonder if my having fiber is an edge :/
13:30	ThickAsThieves	and what those are worth
13:30	ThickAsThieves	vs 5% of divs
13:30	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8722 BTC [+]
13:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.018311 = 0.3662 BTC [-]
13:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00066943 = 5.255 BTC [-]
13:31	furuknap	Well, there is a major difference betwen being a PT operator and holding shares. You can be a PT operator and not hold a single share yourself.
13:32	ThickAsThieves	can you?
13:33	ThickAsThieves	if i hold 5000 shares for the PT
13:33	Chaang-Noi	nake short selling for the wi!
13:33	ThickAsThieves	i'm still responsible for $1m worth of assets
13:33	furuknap	Of course you can. Why wouldn't you?
13:33	Chaang-Noi	naked*
13:33	Chaang-Noi	win*
13:33	ThickAsThieves	none of this is naked
13:33	furuknap	I hope not :-)
13:33	Chaang-Noi	just ask mp how profitable selling short 40,000 btc worth of pirate shit would ahve been worth.
13:33	ThickAsThieves	it's all provable
13:34	ThickAsThieves	I posted my transparency report
13:34	ThickAsThieves	no other PT operator does that
13:34	ThickAsThieves	go ahead and ask DT and Burnside to show their shares
13:34	ThickAsThieves	I'd be interested to see em
13:34	furuknap	Of course, I have no reason not to trust you, but you still don't have to hold personal shares, which is totally different from holding shares from someone else and routing the dividends.
13:34	ThickAsThieves	indeed
13:34	ThickAsThieves	but still a large liability
13:34	furuknap	I understand there is work involved, but I saw the regular PT numbers and thought it would be much more interest in the 100PTs.
13:35	ThickAsThieves	the PTs that charge no fee
13:35	ThickAsThieves	are gamed
13:35	ThickAsThieves	essentially
13:35	ThickAsThieves	DT gets something out of the deal
13:35	ThickAsThieves	we just dont know what
13:35	furuknap	Actually burnside reaps from trading because it is his exchange.
13:35	ThickAsThieves	yep
13:35	ThickAsThieves	but
13:35	furuknap	AM has been very, very profitable for him. That's why he took the fee away.
13:35	ThickAsThieves	large conflict of interest there no?
13:36	ThickAsThieves	he can game things from within
13:36	furuknap	Of course there is, but he's very clear about it.
13:36	Chaang-Noi	oh, i know burnside has a significant number of shares
13:36	Chaang-Noi	i sold them and had friedcat send them to him personally
13:36	ThickAsThieves	doesnt mean he still holds them
13:36	Chaang-Noi	he could have sold 2 or 3 times what i sent, but i know he has many many many
13:37	ThickAsThieves	I'm not accusing so much as saying I think they SHOULD show proof
13:37	Chaang-Noi	yeah, iv wondered about this too
13:37	ThickAsThieves	Burnside would pass off his PT if it didnt have to be no-fee
13:37	Chaang-Noi	but really... have to read the contract
13:37	Chaang-Noi	some times naked short selling is fine
13:37	ThickAsThieves	but bitfunder painted him into a corner
13:37	ThickAsThieves	being no fee
13:37	ThickAsThieves	so DT must be getting something out of it
13:38	Chaang-Noi	he just wanted to keep people on his exchange, as he knew AM was the best hing evar
13:38	ThickAsThieves	right
13:38	Chaang-Noi	he had the first PT thanks to me
13:38	ThickAsThieves	but DT does all the work
13:38	ThickAsThieves	and trust me, there's work
13:38	Chaang-Noi	DT has nothing to do with burnside
13:38	furuknap	I think I heard why DT runs his PT for free sometime, but can't for the life of me remember what it was.
13:38	ThickAsThieves	talking about BF chaang
13:39	Chaang-Noi	ahh
13:39	Chaang-Noi	DT did it for free cuz ukto helped out DT in the past
13:39	ThickAsThieves	if BF didnt start with no-fee
13:39	Chaang-Noi	paying back a favour
13:39	ThickAsThieves	Burnside wouldnt have done no-fee
13:39	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> we just dont know what << funny cause i'm just writing an article sort of on the topic
13:39	mircea_popescu	be about 10 mins
13:39	Chaang-Noi	TAT i know
13:39	Chaang-Noi	mp, spreading fud, awesome :)
13:39	ThickAsThieves	hehe
13:40	ThickAsThieves	as i see it
13:40	ThickAsThieves	it's unhealthy
13:40	ThickAsThieves	to do no-fee
13:40	ThickAsThieves	it starts bad trends
13:40	furuknap	I agree, and to me, it's a red flag.
13:40	Chaang-Noi	he gets a fee by having people lose a percent on every buy and sell
13:40	ThickAsThieves	like exchanges running their own PT
13:40	ThickAsThieves	kickbacks
13:40	ThickAsThieves	etc
13:40	Chaang-Noi	also people join his exchange
13:40	ThickAsThieves	if your operators dont have incentive
13:40	ThickAsThieves	theyll find it elsewhere
13:40	Chaang-Noi	he tried to get me to run the pt but i would not do it being a us site and all
13:41	taub	PT DT?
13:41	ThickAsThieves	i guess i better fix my cookie
13:41	Chaang-Noi	he talked to me personally,as im the guy who cooked him up so he could do it,. he just wanted it on his exchang first
13:41	Chaang-Noi	taub pass though deadterra
13:41	ThickAsThieves	i started mine with shares i actually held
13:41	ThickAsThieves	no if/then deals
13:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [-]
13:42	taub	ah
13:42	Chaang-Noi	he had an options contract with me held by jahn the dong
13:42	KRS1	whats with that wall at $125
13:42	Chaang-Noi	the only question was if friedcat would move them or not
13:42	Chaang-Noi	krs1 wall is dead
13:43	KRS1	hmm
13:43	Chaang-Noi	or you mean the buy wall?
13:43	Chaang-Noi	the wall from 118 went to 125
13:43	KRS1	oh ok
13:43	Chaang-Noi	now its gone
13:43	Chaang-Noi	122.22 again
13:44	Chaang-Noi	no one is seeing the same market at the same time, crazy shit
13:44	kakobrekla	http://blockchained.com/depth_mtgox_15d.png
13:44	kakobrekla	fun.
13:44	ThickAsThieves	;;asks 200
13:44	Chaang-Noi	yes kako :)
13:45	ThickAsThieves	;bids 100
13:45	furuknap	Gribble is dead.
13:45	ThickAsThieves	oh
13:45	Chaang-Noi	the best is the asks
13:45	Bugpowder	munch munch
13:45	Chaang-Noi	you mean choo choo motherfucker!
13:45	kakobrekla	you mean fyl chickun ?
13:46	ThickAsThieves	fly chikun in flight, afternoon delight
13:46	Chaang-Noi	that is for ltc
13:46	Chaang-Noi	choo choo motherfucker is for btc
13:46	furuknap	Uhm... Did LTC just have a rocket up its ass?
13:46	Chaang-Noi	kako, keep uo with the almost weekly changing slang
13:47	Chaang-Noi	ltc is about where it was a day ago
13:47	Chaang-Noi	ltc is down from a week ago
13:47	kakobrekla	well Chaang-Noi thanks for providing slang updating service
13:47	furuknap	Actually, it's up about 10% vs BTC and 20% vs USD just in a couple of hours on BTCE.
13:47	Chaang-Noi	np
13:48	furuknap	Dammit! I just sold one of my GPUs to buy LTC and didn't get the cash in time.
13:48	Bugpowder	LTC is a joke
13:49	Bugpowder	bubble in a bubbl
13:49	furuknap	Then you stay away, problem solved :-)
13:49	Chaang-Noi	yes, ltc is a joke, a joke so funny i made $500,000
13:49	Chaang-Noi	iv made so much more off of ltc than btc
13:50	taub	dat book ratio
13:51	ThickAsThieves	dominos is slinging pizza-flavored DVDs
13:51	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bringing-forth-the-light-of-holy-economy/
13:52	taub	two new coins at btce...
13:52	taub	ftc and cnc what hte fug
13:52	Chaang-Noi	off to bed, night all
13:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.32275 BTC [-]
13:54	ThickAsThieves	so far I love "I can’t have fun behaving uneconomically."
13:55	mircea_popescu	it's basically the same idea, "crafting is for fun not for making tria" vs "running pts is for fun not for making btc"
13:55	mircea_popescu	people are very much used to this basically nonsensical crap they spend their life in cause it's "easier"
13:57	error4733	;;ticker
13:57	furuknap	Gribble dead.
13:58	furuknap	It's roughly 125, tho...
13:58	furuknap	:-)
13:58	error4733	griblebackup ? please
13:58	ThickAsThieves	mp, the article is funny, but i was anticipating someting more directly bitcoin-provocative :(
13:59	ThickAsThieves	like "hey fuckface, show me the fucking proof and tell me all ur backroom dealz nao!"
14:00	ThickAsThieves	or waxing on why no-fee is bad for bitcoin investing
14:00	ThickAsThieves	i guess i'm free to write my own shit
14:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8745 BTC [+]
14:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.87475 BTC [+]
14:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.875 = 3.75 BTC [+]
14:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.875 = 7.5 BTC [+]
14:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.879 = 9.395 BTC [+]
14:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.87998 = 5.6399 BTC [+]
14:04	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves gegege
14:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [+]
14:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
14:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01839 = 1.839 BTC [+]
14:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4 = 7 BTC [-]
14:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2202 = 1.5414 BTC [+]
14:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.220101 = 0.4402 BTC [-]
14:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.22 = 2.42 BTC [-]
14:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.22 = 1.98 BTC [-]
14:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01839 = 0.1655 BTC [+]
14:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 28 @ 0.0183 = 0.5124 BTC [-]
14:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 205 @ 0.01830101 = 3.7517 BTC [+]
14:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.018301 = 0.366 BTC [-]
14:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 315 @ 0.01830001 = 5.7645 BTC [-]
14:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 432 @ 0.0183 = 7.9056 BTC [-]
14:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8795 BTC [+]
14:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 99 @ 0.01849 = 1.8305 BTC [+]
14:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.8795 = 18.795 BTC [+]
14:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0183 = 1.098 BTC [-]
14:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.0183 = 0.732 BTC [-]
14:20	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01849 = 0.0925 BTC [+]
14:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.84 BTC [-]
14:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 13 @ 0.002789 = 0.0363 BTC [+]
14:30	jurov	mircea_popescu: maybe you can help him? http://blog.dwolla.com/i-want-to-work-with-more-women/
14:30	mircea_popescu	i can, which doesn't mean i will.
14:32	jcpham	http://youtu.be/NlwGP4VhkWA
14:33	mircea_popescu	anyway, the reason \women don't work for him is cause he's a creepy looking dude.
14:33	mircea_popescu	(i asked my own hr)
14:33	ThickAsThieves	what a weird blog
14:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+]
14:33	ThickAsThieves	" I’m trying to see if you’re building something and if so, on what, for whom, so I can figure out how to find you."
14:33	ThickAsThieves	good luck, buddy!
14:33	mircea_popescu	and yeah, he writes the creepiest shit too
14:34	jcpham	what if the woman wants you to be her dominant partner
14:34	jcpham	and she wants to be the sub
14:34	jcpham	no kissing
14:34	ThickAsThieves	from comments:
14:34	ThickAsThieves	"This is amazing, thanks for posting this Ben! If Dwolla was located in Chicago I'd be applying for a front-end dev job right now."
14:34	ThickAsThieves	'front end dev' is that what they call it these days ;)
14:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22999 = 0.46 BTC [+]
14:35	mircea_popescu	i think she means front end loading
14:35	mircea_popescu	as in, no anal.
14:35	furuknap	It is. Quite common term, actually. It's all HTML5 and moving things and stuff.
14:35	ThickAsThieves	it was a joke furuk
14:35	furuknap	I realize that.
14:35	ThickAsThieves	i'll stick to my day job
14:35	mircea_popescu	boom-tssss
14:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.002789 = 0.0251 BTC [+]
14:36	ThickAsThieves	comment from a male
14:36	ThickAsThieves	"Possibly put an intern or Jenna (if she has time) on reach out duty"
14:36	ThickAsThieves	hehe
14:37	ThickAsThieves	okay i'll stop being a 13yo
14:38	ThickAsThieves	oh furuknap, look at this horrible math error https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2183514#msg2183514
14:38	ThickAsThieves	he thinks max share price for 1 share is all bitcoins
14:38	ThickAsThieves	I think he missed something there
14:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0186 = 0.2046 BTC [+]
14:39	furuknap	I think a lot of the people right now are missing something, possibly vital too.
14:39	ThickAsThieves	even impossible if you divide by 400k
14:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
14:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01849 = 0.7211 BTC [+]
14:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.841 BTC [-]
14:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.84 BTC [-]
14:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01832 = 0.0916 BTC [-]
14:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0183 = 0.915 BTC [-]
14:51	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
14:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.8725 = 7.49 BTC [+]
14:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01821 = 0.3642 BTC [-]
14:57	furuknap	Damn, I so want to publish my numbers and model. I'll hold back, though. If I'm right, it's easily proven after the fact. If I'm wrong, it won't help anyone.
15:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [-]
15:02	ThickAsThieves	you can always share here
15:02	ThickAsThieves	it's not quite like broadcasting n forums
15:02	kakobrekla	its not like we have a log or anything.
15:03	furuknap	Heh, yeah, that'd stay secret for about, I don't know, 10ns?
15:04	ThickAsThieves	didn't know it was an all-out "secret"
15:04	jcpham	insider information welcomed anytime in #bitcoin-assets!
15:04	ThickAsThieves	^
15:05	jcpham	no regulators here, just friendlies
15:06	furuknap	It's not a 'secret' per se, but if I'm right and publish in advance, I'll just be charged with trying to manipulate the price. I have no intention of manipulating anything. I have no insider information, just an analysis that shows there is no way for investors to recouperate their investments at these levels.
15:06	jurov	you have 10ns ping? /me want
15:06	furuknap	Besides, it's mostly targeted at surviving 2016. Most 'investors' now don't see past the next dividend. I doubt it will help anyone.
15:07	jurov	bitcoin pensionary fund operators might be interested
15:08	jurov	;;next
15:10	furuknap	It's really not that complicated. It makes a couple of assumptions. 1) With the current dividend level, AM will focus solely on churning out cash, not preparing for 2016 halving, and 2) in 2016 due to halving of revenue, share prices will halve too. If those assumptions are correct, you simply divide half the current share price over the number of weeks or months, subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi
15:10	mircea_popescu	vh
15:10	mircea_popescu	furuknap : make a statement of it, publish the hash of it
15:10	mircea_popescu	then later you can publish the statement
15:11	mircea_popescu	maybe also publish the wordcount, just in case kids don't comprehend hashing.
15:11	furuknap	I was thinking something like that, but really, is isn't required. The numbers won't change so they are the same in three months or a year and will just show the same results.
15:11	kakobrekla	you got cut
15:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872 BTC [-]
15:12	kakobrekla	> subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (whi
15:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
15:12	furuknap	subtract that from the dividend based on expected hashrate (which technically is also an assumption).
15:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8725 = 3.745 BTC [+]
15:13	mircea_popescu	no mining asset halved during the reward halving
15:14	jcpham	what's so bad about being charged with manipulating the price
15:14	furuknap	That's why it's an assumption, but really, AM must double their network percentage to maintain the same dividends. AM wasn't paying mining-based dividends at anything close to what they're expecting over the next years.
15:14	mircea_popescu	i doubt price formation has much to do with any sort of rational thinking.
15:14	jcpham	mining turds never repay
15:15	jcpham	got to get out early
15:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1955 = 0.391 BTC [-]
15:15	mircea_popescu	the main components are 1. people wish to participate, they see mining as participation, they can't afford rigs so this is the next best
15:15	furuknap	Oh, I agree. People bay hundreds of dollars for an iPhone and that is just a piece of shit.
15:15	jurov	and you seem to imply that AM will be around in unchanged form 3 years from now, and also we won't increase blocksize (and thus txfees). which is pretty unlikely.
15:15	mircea_popescu	2. people wish to be "together", this is like the one thing where they can be together
15:15	mircea_popescu	"so guise, do you think price is going up"
15:15	furuknap	The model actually assumes a certain block size increase.
15:15	mircea_popescu	it's like birds chipring to one another "op there's many of us we'll be safe chirp chirp"
15:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191001 BTC [-]
15:15	Scrat	supernodes are pumping the price
15:15	Scrat	fuck supernodes, man
15:15	furuknap	Yeah, and that herd is driving the price now, not anything fndamental.
15:16	mircea_popescu	jurov not increasing blocksize is what increases fees.
15:16	furuknap	Really, it doesn't bother me if people mindlessly run in one direction, but I'm somewhat bothered by having information that may help people not get burned. If they still want to stampede, fine.
15:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.191 = 0.573 BTC [-]
15:17	mircea_popescu	so publish it
15:17	furuknap	I doubt very many people realize all the factors in evaluating AM sustainability and are just seeing huge dividends, expecting that to stick around forever.
15:17	ThickAsThieves	I think your ideas are riddled with assumptions
15:18	jcpham	pics or didn't happen
15:18	jcpham	where is tiberiusv
15:18	jurov	mircea_popescu: that remains to seen whether the demand is really so elastic.
15:18	ThickAsThieves	One doesn't just assume in bitcoin
15:18	Scrat	jcpham: banned
15:18	jcpham	drats
15:19	ThickAsThieves	a number of your assumptions are also in contrast with known history
15:19	ThickAsThieves	making them that much more potentially "wild"
15:19	ThickAsThieves	that said
15:19	ThickAsThieves	I could use a little dip in the price
15:19	ThickAsThieves	so fire away
15:20	jurov	we need soros-level analysis instead of these maff nerds
15:20	jurov	he claims to take irrationality into account
15:21	jurov	and hype
15:21	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.845 BTC [-]
15:21	jurov	seems to work for him
15:22	furuknap	At some point, someone will do that math. Bitcoin mining is quite predictable due to its finite reward. If we had inflation, this wouldn't be a problem.
15:23	jurov	lol do tell me, i sell diff derivatives. but btc price is pretty much not predictable, and it affects am much.
15:24	ThickAsThieves	what if in 3 years, 80% of AM revenue is hardware sales
15:24	ThickAsThieves	what if in 2 years AM sells the company at a 25% premium?
15:25	furuknap	TAT: Yeah, that could be a solution, but to do that, there would need to be funds for research, production, marketing, etc, etc, etc. Right now, it doesn't seem like friedcat is willing to think that far ahead.
15:25	ThickAsThieves	where did you get that impression?
15:25	furuknap	They may sell, but they'll sell to someone far better at math than me.
15:25	ThickAsThieves	surely they would not sell to a mathematician
15:26	jurov	$oi
15:26	jurov	$oix
15:26	furuknap	From pouring out as much dividend as possible. I'm not saying "No" to dividends, I'm saying a pile of cash in the hands of friedcat is better at ensuring sustainability than a ton of dimes in the hands of thousands of investors.
15:26	jurov	!ticker m ^oix
15:26	assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
15:26	jurov	O.o
15:26	ThickAsThieves	they do not always pay out 100% divs
15:26	ThickAsThieves	they have retained much
15:26	ThickAsThieves	and will retain in the future
15:27	ThickAsThieves	they just didnt this week
15:27	furuknap	They wouldn't have to pay half that. People don't seem to realize that not paying dividends doesn't mean the money is burned in a forge.
15:27	ThickAsThieves	i dont think you are listening
15:27	ThickAsThieves	they have reserves
15:27	ThickAsThieves	and add to them some weeks
15:27	ThickAsThieves	just not all weeks
15:28	ThickAsThieves	they are planning next-gen already
15:29	ThickAsThieves	they are planning 1000TH before year's end as a conservative goal
15:29	furuknap	I know that has been said. I haven't been able to figure out how much.
15:29	ThickAsThieves	you probably could
15:29	ThickAsThieves	would take digging
15:29	furuknap	Well, it's really moot. I'll have my models in a year too, and even longer :-)
15:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8724 = 3.7448 BTC [+]
15:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.8724 = 5.6172 BTC [+]
15:32	jurov	$avg
15:32	mpexbot	jurov: 117.10
15:34	furuknap	BTW, out of curiosity, if there came a tender offer on AM, how would the PTs handle that? Vote?
15:34	ThickAsThieves	my PT has no voting rights
15:35	ThickAsThieves	I dont think AM shares have them either
15:35	furuknap	That's my point. I'm sure the buyer would want to know whether they could buy...
15:35	ThickAsThieves	probably a board decision
15:35	furuknap	Board can't decide whether someone sells.
15:36	ThickAsThieves	my PT acts in kind with the underlying asset
15:36	ThickAsThieves	if AM sold
15:36	ThickAsThieves	there would be a mass buyback
15:37	furuknap	Hm...
15:38	furuknap	If there was a forced buy-back... By whose authority would that happen? It would be according to Chinese law, I would presume. However, since the PT-holder don't hold shares, the buyback would be against the PT operator.
15:39	furuknap	I need to get to bed, I'm seeing wafer designs on the inside of my eyelids.
15:39	furuknap	Talk to you guys another day.
15:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0182 = 0.2366 BTC [-]
15:40	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.0182 = 3.64 BTC [-]
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01855 = 3.71 BTC [-]
15:45	jurov	mircea_popescu: where is mpoe bot?
15:45	mircea_popescu	mmm
15:45	mircea_popescu	smickles_ runs him
15:46	jurov	smickles_ abducted him?
15:46	mircea_popescu	prolly connectivity issues ?
15:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00066943 = 2.2761 BTC [-]
15:46	jurov	$avg works
15:47	jurov	i hope
15:47	jurov	$avg
15:47	mpexbot	jurov: 117.10
15:47	mircea_popescu	ok so then what's the problem
15:48	jurov	ic, i can create any options i want and sell to myself. all solved.
15:55	mircea_popescu	huh ?!
15:55	jcpham	definitely
15:57	truffles	who else is drinking today?
15:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.872499 BTC [+]
15:59	taub	not a fan of the booze
16:00	KRS1	apparently gribble ass is
16:00	jurov	i was
16:00	jurov	but have enough
16:00	truffles	<taub> not a fan of the booze>> why not?
16:02	jcpham	we're drinking a homemade rye ipa
16:02	jcpham	and newcastle brown
16:02	KRS1	powerball lotto is well over half a billion
16:02	KRS1	imagine being able to buy all of the bitcoins and still having more than anyone would know what to do with
16:03	KRS1	i would buy them all and tell you all to go find something else to do..like a boss
16:03	KRS1	dismissed
16:03	truffles	sitting in the vault collecting dust meh
16:05	Namworld	Coinroll really getting a good betting volume. And it won't IPO =/
16:06	jurov	truffles IPO your booze then
16:07	jurov	should appreciate over time... but delivery of dividends would be problematic
16:07	truffles	although i could get more with more..
16:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01821 = 0.0364 BTC [+]
16:07	Namworld	I'd totally invest in your booze, truffles
16:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01821 = 0.0911 BTC [+]
16:07	jurov	maybe ThickAsThieves could figure passthrough :DDDD
16:07	truffles	<Namworld> I'd totally invest in your booze, truffles >>> no wai lol
16:08	truffles	my partner would not like that i dont think
16:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8725 BTC [+]
16:09	truffles	still cool even if in jest :)
16:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8797 = 3.7594 BTC [+]
16:10	taub	i love the sierrachart jabs at mtgox
16:10	taub	>Interesting. Never heard of such a concept when it comes to trading. We would think that immediate execution should always be achieved as much as possible.
16:10	mircea_popescu	taub context ?
16:11	taub	regarding the goxlag
16:11	mircea_popescu	o
16:11	taub	http://www.sierrachart.com/SupportBoard.php?ThreadID=527
16:11	taub	and that other one regarding socket io
16:11	taub	We see that the MTGox data feed is not entirely reliable and also from an engineering perspective, its technical implementation really is very confusing and not well structured. They are using what is called a web socket and then on top of that Socket I/O . This is unnecessary and the method by which this is implemented is not technically correct. So we are not very impressed with the MTGox data feed. This is just a comment.
16:12	optimator	jcpham: homemade rye is nice as long as the rye is in moderation
16:12	jcpham	i like a strong pale
16:12	jcpham	like hops too
16:12	jcpham	homebrewing is legal now as of a few days ago
16:12	jcpham	thinking about starting
16:13	optimator	i'm searching for the perfect porter - that balances hops and sweetness
16:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8797 BTC [+]
16:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01821 BTC [+]
16:16	optimator	it's funny the things the state tries to regulate
16:16	truffles	breathing tax isnt out yet?
16:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01855 = 1.855 BTC [-]
16:17	jcpham	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ejcul/6k_invested_in_the_asicminer_ipo_would_value_12m/
16:17	jcpham	funny i sold yesterday
16:17	jcpham	ho hum
16:17	truffles	not a true believer
16:17	jcpham	damn these asics
16:17	jcpham	nope
16:18	mircea_popescu	lol noobs and their issues. always funny.
16:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0186 = 0.186 BTC [+]
16:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.8798 = 3.7596 BTC [+]
16:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002577 = 0.0129 BTC [+]
16:29	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 88 @ 0.002578 = 0.2269 BTC [+]
16:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 140 @ 0.002589 = 0.3625 BTC [+]
16:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01821 = 0.1093 BTC [+]
16:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066701 = 2.8822 BTC [-]
16:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.000667 = 6.67 BTC [-]
16:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.00066578 = 1.9834 BTC [-]
16:37	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.01821 = 0.5281 BTC [+]
16:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8798 BTC [+]
16:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0186 = 0.093 BTC [+]
16:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.01821 = 0.6374 BTC [+]
16:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.002789 = 0.0139 BTC [+]
16:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01849 = 0.8136 BTC [+]
16:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+]
16:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00066984 = 3.2487 BTC [+]
16:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1694 @ 0.00067238 = 1.139 BTC [+]
16:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.0186 = 1.023 BTC [+]
16:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0186 = 0.0372 BTC [+]
16:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
16:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0399 BTC [+]
16:53	jcpham	http://quantabytes.com/articles/report-for-day-zero-of-bitcoin-2013-the-future-of-payments
16:53	jcpham	mircea_popescu,
16:53	jcpham	"Wences Casares, founder of Lemon"
16:53	mircea_popescu	yea ?
16:53	jcpham	did you know that
16:54	jcpham	the rota case guy runs a wallet
16:54	jcpham	http://lemon.com/
16:54	mircea_popescu	yeah.
16:54	jcpham	i spend so much time in the dark in the cold.
16:54	jcpham	in the rain.
16:54	mircea_popescu	he was at my conference, we talked abnout it...
16:55	kakobrekla	and he is on this chan.
16:55	jcpham	super
16:55	mircea_popescu	lol poor josh
16:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01849 = 0.0555 BTC [+]
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0186 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
16:56	jcpham	it's probably beeter that i don't know who people are or give a shit
16:56	mircea_popescu	y ?
16:56	jcpham	possible fixation
16:56	jcpham	i'm easily distracted
16:57	jcpham	so the bitcoin conference started today?
16:57	KRS1	mtgox has namecoin in their api too i did not know this..they must be at least slightly interested in the alt coins
16:59	jurov	ofc: Will Bitcoin be able to scale in the face of exponential growth? Mike answered "yes" and without the need for "Bitcoin banks" or supernodes.
17:00	jurov	we don't need nobody
17:00	Namworld	That lemon thing looks neat
17:00	Namworld	But I find it annoying to have so many apps/options
17:01	Namworld	Plus cards are easier to manage I say... nothing wrong in a physical wallet
17:01	Namworld	live balances is a cool feature tho...
17:01	mircea_popescu	Namworld his idea was mostly for noobs/old people
17:02	Namworld	I'll wait till all cards are microcomputers and show live balances directly on them lol
17:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2179 @ 0.00067323 = 1.467 BTC [+]
17:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5221 @ 0.00067326 = 3.5151 BTC [+]
17:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01849 = 0.3513 BTC [+]
17:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [+]
17:10	KRS1	wtf did someone say it was okay for gribble to take off on a friday like this? he doesnt even know whats going on in the market
17:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.87995 = 18.7995 BTC [+]
17:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 1.87995 = 28.1993 BTC [+]
17:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.87998 = 33.8396 BTC [+]
17:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.879999 = 20.68 BTC [+]
17:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234996 BTC [+]
17:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.88 = 15.04 BTC [+]
17:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.889 = 5.667 BTC [+]
17:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.89 = 5.67 BTC [+]
17:20	jurov	sorry, gribble went to san jose
17:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01849 = 0.3698 BTC [+]
17:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [+]
17:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.01865 = 7.46 BTC [+]
17:37	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [+]
17:40	KRS1	wtf he cant go to san jose..who is gonna cover for him
17:41	truffles	assbot?
17:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0398 BTC [-]
17:43	ThickAsThieves	SDICE Profit This Month: -1298.65012061 BTC (so far) :/
17:43	truffles	what what in the butt
17:45	mircea_popescu	haha srlsy ?
17:45	optimator	de-U.S.-ing has it's short term costs
17:45	optimator	its
17:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8802 BTC [-]
17:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.88 = 9.4 BTC [-]
17:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01849 = 0.9245 BTC [+]
17:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.0399 BTC [+]
17:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01849 = 0.3513 BTC [+]
17:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.8802 BTC [+]
17:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3003 @ 0.00067319 = 2.0216 BTC [-]
17:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 58 @ 0.01855 = 1.0759 BTC [+]
17:53	ThickAsThieves	WTB ASICMINER Shares in Bulk
17:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899 BTC [+]
17:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.002589 = 0.1295 BTC [+]
17:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.0186 = 0.3906 BTC [+]
17:56	parseval	It feels like SDICE hasn't been expanding like it should have been.. and now, it's contracting a bit
17:58	parseval	I mean, using only the bitcoin network is great and all, but they left a bunch of money on the table there. At the least they should have been collecting some user data for return calls to action
17:59	ThickAsThieves	parseval, marketing, communication, and development are not needed for successful business
17:59	ThickAsThieves	or so I've been told
18:00	parseval	lol
18:00	ThickAsThieves	where were you yesterday when I needed you!
18:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.899999 = 9.5 BTC [+]
18:01	parseval	Probably sleeping
18:01	parseval	Speaking of which, my workday's done. Be back on in a bit
18:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.01885 = 0.1697 BTC [+]
18:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0186 BTC [+]
18:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0186 = 0.0372 BTC [+]
18:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066603 = 2.8779 BTC [-]
18:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14279 @ 0.00066578 = 9.5067 BTC [-]
18:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00279 = 0.0279 BTC [+]
18:10	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00279 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
18:10	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234998 BTC [+]
18:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6 @ 0.00279 = 0.0167 BTC [+]
18:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0186 = 0.0744 BTC [+]
18:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.010098 BTC [+]
18:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.2179 BTC [+]
18:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0169 BTC [-]
18:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
18:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0007 BTC [+]
18:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.75 = 8.75 BTC [-]
18:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01885 = 0.4901 BTC [+]
18:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.018738 BTC [+]
18:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
18:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01885 = 1.885 BTC [+]
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [+]
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 204 @ 0.01885 = 3.8454 BTC [-]
18:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.018738 = 0.9369 BTC [+]
18:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7347 @ 0.00066825 = 4.9096 BTC [+]
18:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 130 @ 0.01885 = 2.4505 BTC [-]
18:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 17 @ 0.01885 = 0.3205 BTC [-]
18:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.01885 = 0.9991 BTC [-]
18:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.018738 = 0.0562 BTC [+]
18:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1915 BTC [+]
18:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01899 BTC [+]
18:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01899 BTC [+]
18:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 6 @ 0.019 = 0.114 BTC [+]
18:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018738 = 0.0375 BTC [+]
18:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 147 @ 0.01885 = 2.771 BTC [-]
18:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
18:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.018738 = 0.1874 BTC [+]
18:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2903 @ 0.00067236 = 1.9519 BTC [+]
18:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 3 @ 0.183601 = 0.5508 BTC [-]
18:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [+]
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 300 @ 0.0189 = 5.67 BTC [+]
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.019 = 2.85 BTC [+]
18:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01905 = 0.9525 BTC [+]
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0191 = 1.91 BTC [+]
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.019145 = 4.7863 BTC [+]
18:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 34 @ 0.018738 = 0.6371 BTC [+]
18:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
18:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01915 = 0.0383 BTC [+]
18:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
19:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 400 @ 0.0189 = 7.56 BTC [-]
19:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.018798 = 0.188 BTC [+]
19:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.881 BTC [-]
19:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.899999 = 3.8 BTC [+]
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 451 @ 0.01890001 = 8.5239 BTC [+]
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0189 = 0.4725 BTC [-]
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0189 = 9.45 BTC [-]
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01889 = 3.778 BTC [-]
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 424 @ 0.0188 = 7.9712 BTC [-]
19:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.018798 = 0.7895 BTC [+]
19:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 22 @ 0.019 = 0.418 BTC [+]
19:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899999 = 5.7 BTC [+]
19:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.01899999 = 0.38 BTC [-]
19:08	truffles	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173433.0 actually reading comments by m-pr in this thread
19:08	truffles	seemed to have toned it down a tad bit
19:09	mjrIII	hi all
19:09	mjrIII	whats up
19:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.899999 BTC [+]
19:09	truffles	surfing
19:09	truffles	u?
19:10	mjrIII	at the conference
19:10	ThickAsThieves	is it awesome?
19:10	truffles	"the conference"
19:10	ThickAsThieves	or lolsome?
19:10	mjrIII	hasn't really started
19:10	mjrIII	just hung out with erik a bit
19:10	mjrIII	saw some of the nyc guys
19:10	ThickAsThieves	cool
19:11	truffles	ure so social
19:11	mjrIII	lol
19:11	mjrIII	i suppose
19:11	mjrIII	that is the point of conferences
19:11	mjrIII	i think
19:11	truffles	and chatrooms :p
19:12	ThickAsThieves	conferences are also good to foster cultism/fanboism
19:12	truffles	how many women there?
19:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066579 = 2.8769 BTC [-]
19:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6779 @ 0.00066578 = 4.5133 BTC [-]
19:12	ThickAsThieves	too many i bet
19:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.018798 = 0.3384 BTC [+]
19:13	ThickAsThieves	about to hit 1.9
19:14	mircea_popescu	well maybe the 7.5 noob had it
19:14	ThickAsThieves	hehe
19:16	ThickAsThieves	50 shares @ 1.9, then next ask is at 1.949
19:16	ThickAsThieves	:/
19:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 427 @ 0.01899999 = 8.113 BTC [-]
19:18	truffles	maybe itll be 3 by the end of month
19:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]
19:19	ThickAsThieves	it's still payout 2.5% per month at 3BTC
19:19	ThickAsThieves	it'd
19:19	truffles	dunno what those numbers mean
19:19	truffles	too sleepy, later
19:19	ThickAsThieves	ok
19:20	mjrIII	heya mircea_popescu
19:20	mircea_popescu	hey
19:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2487 = 0.9948 BTC [+]
19:21	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01882 = 0.1694 BTC [+]
19:21	mjrIII	so far this conference sucks compared to romania
19:22	mircea_popescu	no supernodes yet ?
19:22	mjrIII	hehehe
19:22	mjrIII	haven't seen one yet
19:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01882 BTC [+]
19:24	Josh_Rossi	hi
19:24	Josh_Rossi	hi
19:25	error4733	hi
19:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
19:25	Josh_Rossi	damn, I hjave so many users logged in so many places
19:25	Josh_Rossi	i'm mjr by the way
19:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0169 BTC [-]
19:25	error4733	yes, i know
19:26	error4733	buttonwodd, etc...
19:26	error4733	how was monday btw ?
19:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.01882 = 0.3199 BTC [+]
19:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 8 @ 0.191 = 1.528 BTC [-]
19:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191 BTC [-]
19:28	Josh_Rossi	it went well
19:28	Josh_Rossi	some trading
19:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.018798 = 0.1316 BTC [-]
19:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22301 BTC [+]
19:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00067325 = 2.9091 BTC [+]
19:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01898 = 0.3796 BTC [+]
19:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018798 = 0.0376 BTC [-]
19:37	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [-]
19:37	parseval	I think I need to work on those charts a bit more, people seem to like them
19:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.018798 = 0.282 BTC [-]
19:39	ThickAsThieves	they are pretty decent
19:40	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01874 = 0.0375 BTC [-]
19:41	parseval	I still need to add in flags for the dividends, and maybe make up some candlestick charts. Oh, and a USD->BTC comparison
19:42	parseval	Maybe something combining %pricechange and volume so we can visualize velocity a bit better
19:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00067403 = 5.19 BTC [+]
19:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2811 @ 0.00067458 = 1.8962 BTC [+]
19:43	mircea_popescu	parseval which charts are those ?
19:43	parseval	highstock
19:44	parseval	fnords.dontexist.com
19:44	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208630.0 lol gotta love these people
19:44	mircea_popescu	"my shit sucks so you gotta adjust the world nao"
19:44	mircea_popescu	then you wonder how obamas get voted into office.
19:44	mircea_popescu	"plz vote for me i shall adjust difficulty!!!"
19:44	KRS1	yeah like..was obama the best we could come up with?
19:44	parseval	That guy should move to litecoin instead, no asics yet
19:44	mircea_popescu	o hey, those charts ARE cool.
19:45	KRS1	we must look like a bunch of chumps to the rest of the world
19:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.018798 = 0.0376 BTC [+]
19:45	parseval	Thank you
19:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01898 = 0.4365 BTC [+]
19:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
19:49	error4733	"Just stop mining, so the difficulty will go down and it will be more profitable for me. Grin
19:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 53 @ 0.01899999 = 1.007 BTC [-]
19:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 47 @ 0.01899999 = 0.893 BTC [-]
19:54	KRS1	sup mjr
19:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 111 @ 0.01899999 = 2.109 BTC [-]
19:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00279 BTC [+]
20:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1510 @ 0.00067458 = 1.0186 BTC [+]
20:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00067459 = 3.1031 BTC [+]
20:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00067998 = 5.2358 BTC [+]
20:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01898 = 0.038 BTC [+]
20:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2204 = 0.8816 BTC [-]
20:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01898 = 0.2467 BTC [+]
20:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00279 = 0.0056 BTC [+]
20:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
20:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
20:10	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 144 @ 0.0007 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
20:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01866 = 0.0373 BTC [-]
20:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000666 BTC [+]
20:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000666 = 0.0067 BTC [+]
20:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01899999 = 0.095 BTC [+]
20:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01898 = 0.038 BTC [+]
20:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01898 = 0.5694 BTC [+]
20:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01898 = 0.4745 BTC [+]
20:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01899 = 1.899 BTC [+]
20:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.019 = 0.57 BTC [+]
20:24	ll	!t h asicm
20:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.01751000 / 0.01823021 / 0.01915000 (20897 shares, 380.95668561 BTC), 7D: 0.01455000 / 0.01719326 / 0.01999999 (71158 shares, 1223.43803393 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.01640911 / 0.02820000 (104098 shares, 1708.15590084 BTC)
20:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.019 = 0.247 BTC [+]
20:25	ll	!t h him
20:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.90000000 / 1.91737658 / 2.03990000 (38 shares, 72.86031000 BTC), 7D: 1.90000000 / 2.10242554 / 2.48990000 (157 shares, 330.08081000 BTC), 30D: 1.44000000 / 1.94166161 / 2.48990000 (570 shares, 1106.74711546 BTC)
20:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 61 @ 0.01899999 = 1.159 BTC [+]
20:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.23194 BTC [+]
20:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 31 @ 0.01899999 = 0.589 BTC [+]
20:37	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.899512 = 5.6985 BTC [-]
20:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]
20:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.9 = 19 BTC [+]
20:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 65 @ 0.01899999 = 1.235 BTC [+]
20:40	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01876 = 0.1876 BTC [-]
20:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]
20:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01876 = 0.0938 BTC [-]
20:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [+]
20:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.019 = 0.684 BTC [+]
20:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 56 @ 0.002561 = 0.1434 BTC [-]
20:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.219998 BTC [-]
20:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [+]
20:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.22999 BTC [+]
20:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9001 BTC [-]
20:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.9 = 5.7 BTC [+]
20:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.4299 = 8.598 BTC [-]
21:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.9 = 11.4 BTC [+]
21:02	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.9 = 39.9 BTC [+]
21:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.019 BTC [+]
21:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.019124 = 0.1912 BTC [+]
21:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 74 @ 0.019125 = 1.4153 BTC [+]
21:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01899999 = 0.038 BTC [+]
21:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.019125 = 0.0956 BTC [+]
21:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10675 @ 0.00069547 = 7.4241 BTC [+]
21:12	kakobrekla	you at the conf yet?
21:13	pizzaman1337	not yet, I'll be going there soon. I think the "doors" open in about 45 mins. =
21:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.019125 BTC [+]
21:22	parseval	I wonder how strong of a reputation I'd need to have to launch a securities backed loan site that lets borrowers put up shares as collateral and take out BTC loans from people. Kind of like BTCJam only everything would be 120%+ collateralized and borrowers could keep the dividends that accrue while their loans are active.
21:23	kakobrekla	i did that a year ago.
21:24	Namworld	Did it work?
21:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.900201 BTC [+]
21:25	kakobrekla	i made a few deals.
21:25	parseval	Use case: You want to go play the volatile MtGox market to capitalize on changes in btc price, but you also want to keep your AM shares intact and collecting dividends while you do it.. Pay a small fee and a percentage, then repay your loan within the terms paid. Collect back your AM shares plus dividends.
21:25	parseval	Well, I was thinking of making the whole process automated
21:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1049 = 0.8392 BTC [-]
21:25	kakobrekla	nah, you dont get the dividends
21:26	kakobrekla	and share valutation is problematic
21:26	kakobrekla	esp with such as AM
21:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01925 = 0.9625 BTC [+]
21:26	kakobrekla	so i was only taking hash rate specified bonds
21:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 23 @ 0.105 = 2.415 BTC [+]
21:26	kakobrekla	that way i could estimate the devaluation easier
21:27	kakobrekla	(yes preetymuch everything was devaluating on glbse)
21:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9002 BTC [-]
21:27	parseval	Well, yeah, you _can_ get your divs back, if the system is set up to track them and pay them out. And volatility is a risk, but requiring a minimum 120% collateral would mitigate that somewhat and the lender would need to agree to the collateral and terms
21:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 63 @ 0.106 = 6.678 BTC [+]
21:27	kakobrekla	ya well good luck finding people who will lend for nothing
21:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.108 = 0.756 BTC [+]
21:28	parseval	Not nothing.. they'd pay out an interest rate on the loan to the lender
21:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 69 @ 0.01925 = 1.3283 BTC [+]
21:28	parseval	Say 5% or whatever terms both parties are willing to accept. The borrower puts up the shares at X collateral, and investors can browse and pick which loans they want to fund
21:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00070029 = 2.9412 BTC [+]
21:29	ThickAsThieves	wrap in an escrow service
21:29	ThickAsThieves	ive been toying woth ideas
21:29	ThickAsThieves	with
21:29	kakobrekla	you must undervalue the shares correctly
21:29	kakobrekla	or else ill just default the loan if the shares go down
21:29	kakobrekla	and say fuck you
21:29	ThickAsThieves	thats the real issue
21:30	parseval	That's the idea, ThickAsThieves. I'd pull the BTC-TC shares to a third party account to lock them down, and take a 1% fee for facilitating the transaction
21:30	ThickAsThieves	it becomes a way to short
21:30	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01925 = 0.1155 BTC [+]
21:30	ThickAsThieves	personally i dont like loans
21:30	parseval	I'd probably add in some reputation items like OTC and BitcoinTalk forum name verification
21:30	kakobrekla	i took gigamining for a month or so loan, valued them at 60%, took the divs and asked for 1% on top of it.
21:31	ThickAsThieves	but there are lots of features for offering escrow
21:31	kakobrekla	issued a loan*
21:31	ThickAsThieves	issue with escrow though,
21:31	ThickAsThieves	is you csnt grow without humans
21:31	parseval	One thought I had was that if this could be marketed to the daytraders at Gox successfully, then they'd start investing some of that BTC into securities
21:31	ThickAsThieves	for arbitrating
21:33	parseval	hmm, good point on the arbitration. I'd have to figure something out about that to minimize the shorting aspect
21:34	ripplebandit_com	parseval what paltform would you do this on? ripple? open transactions?
21:34	ThickAsThieves	lol
21:35	parseval	bitcoin, probably with a 6 confirmation requirement for funds to settle
21:35	ThickAsThieves	who would you get to do ur ipo ? that TAT guy?
21:35	ripplebandit_com	it's actually a serious question. Ive got an mpex seat, and would like to resell it like coinbr
21:35	parseval	It'd be on BTC-TC
21:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0193 = 0.4825 BTC [+]
21:36	parseval	They already have mechanisms in place with their API to ease the transfer of assets. I'm sure mpex does as well, but I've never had an account there
21:36	ThickAsThieves	parseval before you focus on btctc we should talk sometime
21:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.943999 BTC [+]
21:36	parseval	Sure
21:37	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.944 = 3.888 BTC [+]
21:37	parseval	Some reason to avoid them? I know Havelock has an budding API, but they don't quite have the breadth of assets
21:38	ripplebandit_com	thanks parseval. thanks for humoring me Thick As Thieves
21:39	ThickAsThieves	sry i just dont like the spammy username
21:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002588 = 0.0129 BTC [-]
21:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9439 BTC [-]
21:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.944 BTC [+]
21:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.945 = 15.56 BTC [+]
21:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01925 = 0.0385 BTC [-]
21:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9437 BTC [-]
21:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.949 = 19.49 BTC [+]
21:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9445 = 3.889 BTC [-]
21:43	ThickAsThieves	wow
21:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.95 = 7.8 BTC [+]
21:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 24 @ 0.48 = 11.52 BTC [+]
21:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 16 @ 0.0007 = 0.0112 BTC [+]
21:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.49 = 2.94 BTC [+]
21:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.95 BTC [+]
21:45	furuknap	Wow indeed.
21:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.0193 = 0.9264 BTC [+]
21:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.95 = 9.75 BTC [+]
21:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0193 = 0.9071 BTC [+]
21:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.19999 BTC [-]
21:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00070029 = 2.5911 BTC [+]
21:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2217 @ 0.00070056 = 1.5531 BTC [+]
21:57	parseval	I think a few people might be in for a letdown when the next dividends come back with less than this week due to reduced hardware sales
21:58	parseval	I could be wrong though
21:58	KRS1	how are hw sales are included in "income"
21:59	KRS1	i dont think that would fly normally..hardware used for revenue needs to be depreciated and wrote off doesnt it
21:59	KRS1	unless we're not talking about AM here
22:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0193 = 0.965 BTC [+]
22:00	parseval	I think the hardware sales were .021 of the recent dividend
22:01	parseval	They're selling hardware in addition to mining
22:01	Namworld	The auction they had?
22:01	ThickAsThieves	im more worried if they DO have good hardware sales this next div
22:01	ThickAsThieves	price will get wild
22:01	Namworld	That's what made the dividend so high?
22:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.01899999 = 0.76 BTC [+]
22:02	ThickAsThieves	they sold 180 blades
22:02	parseval	Yep... a lot of people will assume it's all from mining and will continue every week
22:02	ThickAsThieves	since then the blades are made to order with bulk pricing
22:02	ThickAsThieves	they also have a potential 20k coins in usd miners selling
22:03	ThickAsThieves	usb
22:03	furuknap	If they sell and appreciate all those bees this week, there's going to be a lot of blood.
22:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.96 = 3.92 BTC [+]
22:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0193 BTC [+]
22:06	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2187056#msg2187056
22:07	furuknap	"Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful."
22:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0193 = 0.0772 BTC [+]
22:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2104 @ 0.00070056 = 1.474 BTC [+]
22:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5096 @ 0.00070057 = 3.5701 BTC [+]
22:08	furuknap	MPOE up 5%? Any news?
22:08	ThickAsThieves	nah it does that
22:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01935 = 0.0581 BTC [+]
22:09	ThickAsThieves	goes from 60-75 at seemingly random waves
22:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.002588 = 0.0129 BTC [-]
22:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01935 = 0.1548 BTC [+]
22:13	cole_albon	ThickAsThieves - no more spammy address thanks for the wake up call
22:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.002589 = 0.2589 BTC [+]
22:13	furuknap	I'm starting to wonder whether that "How to buy AM shares" article was a huge mistake.
22:14	ThickAsThieves	:)
22:14	ThickAsThieves	:)
22:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01935 = 0.1935 BTC [+]
22:15	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208837.msg2186844#msg2186844
22:16	ThickAsThieves	inaba nominated for scammer tag
22:17	furuknap	Yeah, a lot of bruised feelings will probably make that happen unless they cough up.
22:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 27 @ 0.01899999 = 0.513 BTC [+]
22:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01899999 BTC [+]
22:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01899999 BTC [+]
22:21	furuknap	I can almost time visits to my article with sudden price hikes in AM. I'm saddened by the amount of people that don't heed simple advice and just throw money into a game they apparently do not understand. No wonder why casinos make a lot of money...
22:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.01899999 = 0.494 BTC [+]
22:22	kakobrekla	smart money has been made, if.
22:22	kakobrekla	thats that.
22:23	Chaang-Noi	wow 1.9X for AM? insane
22:23	furuknap	Yeah, and if that's that, there will be w alot of bruised feelings here too.
22:23	furuknap	I'ts been up to 1.96
22:24	kakobrekla	bruised feelings, why?
22:24	blehg	hope it takes a couple of days to break 2.0
22:24	kakobrekla	its not like theres a contract made
22:24	kakobrekla	hehe
22:25	furuknap	Bruised feelings because people that don't act rational when they buy sure as heck dont' act rational when they have lost.
22:25	ThickAsThieves	contracts protect the biz more than the buyer
22:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01935 = 1.935 BTC [+]
22:25	Chaang-Noi	come on over 2 btc :)
22:26	Namworld	ASICMINER too expensive
22:26	Chaang-Noi	not to sell!
22:26	Namworld	I should have put all my money on that
22:26	Namworld	like 1k BTC
22:26	Namworld	or more
22:26	Namworld	take loans back when it was cheap per BTC
22:26	furuknap	There's 56 shares and ฿111 until ฿2 breaks on BTCT.
22:26	Chaang-Noi	yeah... i did a fair bit
22:26	Namworld	put all on ASICMINER
22:26	Namworld	Have like 25k shares
22:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
22:26	ThickAsThieves	there might still be time
22:26	ThickAsThieves	could hit 3btc
22:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01935 BTC [+]
22:27	Namworld	25k * 0.03 BTC dividend = 750 BTC or 90 000 USD
22:27	Namworld	90 000 USD div for one week
22:27	Namworld	50 000 BTC valuation, 6 million
22:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
22:27	Namworld	for 25k BTC back then
22:27	blehg	I bought about 400 calls
22:27	Namworld	like 125k investment
22:28	furuknap	2->3 BTC=50% increase. 0.75->2 = 166% increase. Not much more 'easy' money to be made, even if it reaches ฿3.
22:28	Chaang-Noi	wow a bid at 1.9798
22:28	Chaang-Noi	200 will be easy to cross
22:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01935 = 0.1742 BTC [+]
22:28	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
22:28	Chaang-Noi	and there it goes lol
22:28	furuknap	Why the heck to people bit 0.0001 below ask?
22:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00069603 = 2.8189 BTC [-]
22:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2325 @ 0.00069547 = 1.617 BTC [-]
22:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069388 = 2.9983 BTC [-]
22:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10576 @ 0.00069387 = 7.3384 BTC [-]
22:29	ThickAsThieves	am orders are often retarded
22:30	ThickAsThieves	people always feel the need to lower their ask when i match it
22:31	furuknap	That's not just for AM, btw. Seems to apply to every market in BTC and LTC.
22:31	furuknap	I bid 300@0.12 on something, some idiot comes along and puts up 1@0.1200001
22:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.191 BTC [-]
22:33	ThickAsThieves	bids are different
22:33	ThickAsThieves	higher price gets first action
22:33	parseval	BTC-TC will always fill the higher priced order first.. there's no way to choose which. So, the bots work the margins as long as they're at that .2% difference or more
22:34	ThickAsThieves	with asks the older of same price maintains priority
22:34	furuknap	Same behavior on asks. I put up an ask at 0.14, someone will put up 0.1399999. Usually just one.
22:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01934 = 0.4448 BTC [-]
22:34	parseval	It's a script doing that. Notice it always updates within 5 minutes
22:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.01935 = 0.6192 BTC [+]
22:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01935 = 0.1935 BTC [+]
22:35	parseval	er, .4%
22:35	furuknap	https://www.litecoinglobal.com/security/ESECURITY-SA <- typical example.
22:35	Namworld	Just normal furu... undercutting
22:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.01935 = 0.9095 BTC [+]
22:37	furuknap	Still annoying. At least have the decency to undercut with some effort.
22:37	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 400 @ 0.002589 = 1.0356 BTC [+]
22:39	furuknap	Buy-a-hash got listed on LTCGlobal last night (my time, or around 6 hours ago) it seems. Anyone read up on it?
22:39	furuknap	https://www.litecoinglobal.com/security/BUY-A-HASH
22:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 33 @ 0.0191 = 0.6303 BTC [+]
22:40	nospinzy	what is the proper output format from the bitcoin sendmany using this format sendmany <fromaccount> {address:amount,...}
22:40	nospinzy	if i were to type in in the console
22:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01911 = 0.0764 BTC [+]
22:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.01935 = 0.8708 BTC [+]
22:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]
22:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01935 = 0.0968 BTC [+]
22:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9797 BTC [-]
22:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9798 BTC [+]
22:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.9799 BTC [+]
22:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01935 = 0.0968 BTC [+]
22:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01935 = 0.0387 BTC [+]
22:55	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.9799 = 3.9598 BTC [+]
22:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.209999 BTC [+]
23:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.97999 BTC [+]
23:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [-]
23:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.01 = 0.14 BTC [-]
23:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.01 = 0.11 BTC [-]
23:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.01 = 0.25 BTC [-]
23:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.97999 = 3.96 BTC [+]
23:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.97999 = 9.9 BTC [+]
23:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 51 @ 0.0193 = 0.9843 BTC [+]
23:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01935 = 0.4838 BTC [+]
23:09	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.97999 BTC [+]
23:10	cole_albon	are there any step-by-step instructions on how to exercise a call on mpex?
23:11	furuknap	Wow. Someone just picked up a Call with strike ฿2.7 on BTCT.
23:12	furuknap	5x actually.
23:12	furuknap	And three at strike ฿2.1. What's wrong with people?
23:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01935 = 0.2129 BTC [+]
23:13	blehg	wasn't me
23:13	ThickAsThieves	hilarious
23:13	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01935 = 0.0968 BTC [+]
23:13	furuknap	I hope not, otherwise I think I'd have to break the rule about slapping in here.
23:14	furuknap	Someone must hav bought not knowing what they were doing.
23:14	ThickAsThieves	why not just buy tat.pt
23:14	furuknap	Why not buy anything. A strike of 2.7? That's confidence or stupidity at a level I have not yet seen.
23:14	ThickAsThieves	people paying 1.98 when im selling 1.935
23:15	ThickAsThieves	also silly
23:16	blehg	oh *that* call at 2.7 .. yah I bought that X 5
23:16	blehg	the premium was only 0.1
23:16	blehg	it was on sale :)
23:16	furuknap	Yeah... I have a red SF bridge on sale too. You send first.
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 49 @ 0.0193 = 0.9457 BTC [+]
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01935 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0194 = 1.94 BTC [+]
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01945 = 0.9725 BTC [+]
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0195 = 1.95 BTC [+]
23:17	blehg	Yesterday I had 55 BTC
23:17	blehg	Today I have 400 Calls
23:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00197 BTC [-]
23:18	furuknap	Serious or joking on the 400 calls? I haven't seen any volume on BTCT.
23:18	blehg	I haven't exercised many
23:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7974 @ 0.00069387 = 5.5329 BTC [-]
23:18	blehg	I have 400 not yet exercised
23:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1655 @ 0.00069249 = 1.1461 BTC [-]
23:18	blehg	bitfunder too
23:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 182 @ 0.01935 = 3.5217 BTC [+]
23:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 281 @ 0.0007 = 0.1967 BTC [+]
23:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.97999 BTC [+]
23:19	furuknap	I hate the Bitfunder site. Takes almost a minute to load the first chart for me and I can't get myself to trust that two-site thing with wee exchange.
23:19	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 500 @ 0.019399 = 9.6995 BTC [+]
23:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0199 = 0.199 BTC [+]
23:20	blehg	you can disable the chart
23:20	furuknap	How?
23:20	blehg	settings
23:20	furuknap	Yeah, that would require me to register.
23:20	blehg	complain much?
23:20	ThickAsThieves	hehe
23:20	furuknap	Like I said, I don't trust the site.
23:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.019888 = 0.4574 BTC [-]
23:21	ThickAsThieves	just cuz two accounts?
23:21	blehg	It's ok.. more for me
23:21	ThickAsThieves	whats the core concern?
23:21	furuknap	Just cuz the wee-thing looks... weird. Have tried several times to register. Something went wrong. And yes, that was the entire error message.
23:22	furuknap	Nah, I'll stick with BTCT. I get my stuff done there for the time being.
23:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.019888 = 1.7899 BTC [-]
23:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 387 @ 0.019888 = 7.6967 BTC [-]
23:23	furuknap	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/eff-will-accept-bitcoins-support-digital-liberty <- Guess that takes away Josh's argument that sending his bet to them is so difficult and political.
23:23	ThickAsThieves	i think they are working on weex soon
23:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.0199 = 1.791 BTC [+]
23:24	ThickAsThieves	the stock art is pretty odd
23:24	ThickAsThieves	but i do like the bitfunder site
23:25	furuknap	What do you like about it?
23:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.98 BTC [+]
23:26	ThickAsThieves	aesthetics mostly
23:26	blehg	it feels nice
23:26	ThickAsThieves	also the live orderbooks
23:26	furuknap	Ah. Any functionality they have that for example BTCT doesn't have?
23:26	blehg	I rub bitfunder on every morning
23:26	furuknap	That would be nice, yes.
23:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.98 = 5.94 BTC [+]
23:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.98 = 11.88 BTC [+]
23:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 250 @ 0.0194 = 4.85 BTC [+]
23:29	blehg	websocket on the order books is awesome, beats the hell out of btct's cached orders from yesterday showing up -- freaked me out a few times
23:31	blehg	but the option rewriting on bitfunder is pretty messy, and exercising options has info from the wrong options in the confirmation dialog -- hope they fix that
23:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1292 @ 0.002589 = 3.345 BTC [+]
23:31	ThickAsThieves	the weex setup also allows bf to run much faster without bitcoind
23:31	furuknap	burnside has been working on the bitcoind issue. It's horribly slow still, though.
23:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00069683 = 4.39 BTC [+]
23:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4277 @ 0.00069723 = 2.9821 BTC [+]
23:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 616 @ 0.019888 = 12.251 BTC [-]
23:34	inhies	wtf does btctc use bitcoind for anyways?
23:34	inhies	i dont see a reason to have it that integrated.. like wtf depends on it that much?
23:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 134 @ 0.019888 = 2.665 BTC [-]
23:35	furuknap	Wallet, I guess. Not sure. Trading seems extremely slow if you buy an order that targets multiple offers, though. Not really sure what's going on there.
23:35	ThickAsThieves	not sure either
23:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01949 = 1.3643 BTC [+]
23:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
23:39	blehg	price going up too fast
23:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 90 @ 0.02 = 1.8 BTC [+]
23:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.02 = 2 BTC [+]
23:40	blehg	need to build buy support
23:40	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.99 = 5.97 BTC [+]
23:40	ThickAsThieves	i win!
23:40	ThickAsThieves	first to 2
23:40	blehg	hah
23:40	blehg	Havelock doesn't have options, do they
23:41	ThickAsThieves	nope
23:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 220 @ 0.02 = 4.4 BTC [+]
23:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 304 @ 0.02 = 6.08 BTC [+]
23:42	blehg	bummer
23:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.99 = 11.94 BTC [+]
23:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.99 = 7.96 BTC [+]
23:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0195 = 0.195 BTC [+]
23:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.99 = 9.95 BTC [+]
23:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.02 = 0.5 BTC [+]
23:45	parseval	Grats, Tat
23:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 111 @ 0.019625 = 2.1784 BTC [+]
23:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.01998 = 0.979 BTC [+]
23:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.02 = 0.06 BTC [+]
23:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
23:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 62 @ 0.00259 = 0.1606 BTC [+]
23:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 304 @ 0.0199 = 6.0496 BTC [-]
23:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 144 @ 0.02 = 2.88 BTC [+]
23:48	ThickAsThieves	thx but its a blessing and a curse
23:48	ThickAsThieves	i still need to buy more :/
23:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.01998 = 0.4196 BTC [+]
23:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 157 @ 0.01999 = 3.1384 BTC [+]
23:51	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 79 @ 0.00079 = 0.0624 BTC [+]
23:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 500 @ 0.000799 = 0.3995 BTC [+]
23:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01998 = 0.1399 BTC [-]
23:54	Chaang-Noi	TAT ill sell some AM for around 2 if you want
23:55	ThickAsThieves	i have better offers atm
23:55	furuknap	Madness, I tell you. MADNESS!
23:55	ThickAsThieves	maybe call options?
23:55	furuknap	(someone follow up with that 300 quote)
23:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01998 = 0.5594 BTC [-]
23:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23333 BTC [-]
23:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 28 @ 0.23499 = 6.5797 BTC [+]
23:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.234999 BTC [+]
23:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 114 @ 0.002785 = 0.3175 BTC [+]

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