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00:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.479 = 2.395 BTC [+]
00:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.01 = 0.07 BTC [+]
00:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.45000001 = 0.9 BTC [-]
00:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
00:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
00:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
00:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
00:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.47889999 = 0.9578 BTC [+]
00:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4787 = 2.3935 BTC [-]
00:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4787 BTC [-]
00:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 11 @ 0.4501 = 4.9511 BTC [-]
00:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.47899999 = 1.437 BTC [+]
00:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.45 = 4.5 BTC [-]
00:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.479 = 2.395 BTC [+]
00:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.48 = 1.44 BTC [+]
00:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4824 = 1.4472 BTC [+]
00:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4824 = 1.4472 BTC [+]
00:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 380 @ 0.00302263 = 1.1486 BTC [+]
		~ 21 minutes ~
00:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1059 @ 0.00069449 = 0.7355 BTC [-]
00:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00068417 = 2.7709 BTC [-]
00:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00068289 = 3.7559 BTC [-]
00:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4669 = 1.4007 BTC [-]
00:44	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.298 = 6.49 BTC [-]
00:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.299899 = 6.4995 BTC [+]
00:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.4426 = 3.5408 BTC [-]
00:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.44250001 = 1.3275 BTC [-]
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.4649 = 3.7192 BTC [+]
00:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4425 BTC [-]
00:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.44138 = 1.7655 BTC [-]
00:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44138 BTC [-]
00:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.44135 = 2.2068 BTC [-]
00:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4412 BTC [-]
00:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.47150001 = 4.715 BTC [+]
00:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43505 = 0.8701 BTC [-]
00:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
00:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4305 = 0.861 BTC [-]
00:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4305 BTC [-]
00:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4305 BTC [-]
01:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4848999 = 4.849 BTC [+]
01:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4314 BTC [-]
01:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4313 = 1.7252 BTC [-]
01:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
01:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 17 @ 0.4314 = 7.3338 BTC [+]
01:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4754 = 2.8524 BTC [+]
01:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4798 = 1.4394 BTC [+]
01:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47989999 BTC [+]
01:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.47989999 = 1.9196 BTC [+]
01:08	topace_	wow vtx is on fire tonight
01:08	topace_	!ticker h vtx
01:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.43050000 / 0.46243864 / 0.48489990 (270 shares, 124.85843305 BTC), 7D: 0.39140000 / 0.45680882 / 0.49750000 (1142 shares, 521.67567442 BTC), 30D: 0.18000000 / 0.40186193 / 0.61488800 (6201 shares, 2491.94585868 BTC)
01:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.47989999 = 2.3995 BTC [+]
01:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4370002 = 4.37 BTC [-]
01:10	dub	!seen burnside
01:10	dub	;;seen burnside
01:10	gribble	burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <burnside> gonna be traveling for the next week or so. any inquiries PM me on the forums or send a support request via btct.co.
01:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.4799 = 3.8392 BTC [+]
01:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4477 = 1.3431 BTC [-]
01:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.44999999 = 1.35 BTC [+]
01:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.434 = 2.604 BTC [-]
01:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4698 = 2.349 BTC [+]
01:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.43415 = 1.3025 BTC [-]
01:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4341 BTC [-]
01:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4341 = 1.3023 BTC [-]
01:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4647 = 2.7882 BTC [+]
01:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4647 = 1.8588 BTC [+]
01:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4304 BTC [-]
01:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 5 @ 0.00171 = 0.0086 BTC [-]
01:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 18 @ 0.4304 = 7.7472 BTC [-]
01:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4744 = 1.4232 BTC [+]
01:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4744 = 0.9488 BTC [+]
01:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2501 BTC [-]
01:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4752 = 1.4256 BTC [+]
01:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4752 = 2.8512 BTC [+]
01:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.25 = 3.75 BTC [-]
01:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4305 = 2.583 BTC [-]
01:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.4304 = 1.7216 BTC [-]
01:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4314 = 0.8628 BTC [+]
01:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4314 = 0.8628 BTC [+]
01:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4304 BTC [-]
01:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.210001 = 2.42 BTC [+]
01:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.45 = 1.8 BTC [+]
02:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 13 @ 0.0044 = 0.0572 BTC [+]
02:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4714 = 4.714 BTC [+]
		~ 24 minutes ~
02:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4649 = 1.3947 BTC [-]
02:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2969 BTC [+]
02:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.441 BTC [-]
02:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4639 BTC [+]
02:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2969 BTC [+]
03:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [-]
03:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45499999 BTC [+]
03:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.459 BTC [+]
03:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43030001 = 0.8606 BTC [-]
03:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.459 BTC [+]
03:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.435 = 0.87 BTC [-]
03:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.459 BTC [+]
03:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.459 BTC [+]
03:23	xait9	anyone wanna talk btc derivs
03:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4304 = 2.5824 BTC [-]
03:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.447 BTC [+]
03:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4304 BTC [-]
03:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4638 BTC [+]
03:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.44 = 2.2 BTC [-]
03:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4304 = 0.8608 BTC [-]
03:40	ThickAsThieves	;;seen jurov
03:40	gribble	jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 38 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <jurov> hi mjr___
03:40	jurov	yea i'm on it
03:41	ThickAsThieves	:)
03:41	jurov	but mpex must process it first
03:41	ThickAsThieves	thx
03:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+]
03:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.455 = 0.91 BTC [+]
03:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.445 BTC [-]
03:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.453 = 0.906 BTC [+]
03:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4306 = 0.8612 BTC [-]
03:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.4306 = 3.0142 BTC [-]
03:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.4538 = 3.1766 BTC [+]
04:01	jurov	;;later tell mircea_popescu "mpbor says 12%, but i received 12.5% on bonds. i don't mind but deprived will likely find out :D"
04:01	gribble	The operation succeeded.
04:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4669 = 0.9338 BTC [+]
04:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4308 = 0.8616 BTC [-]
04:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4668 BTC [+]
04:10	jurov	capital expenses : 805.64125 BTC (6`445.13 × 12.5%) seems it really should be 12.5%
04:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.431 BTC [-]
04:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.46666 BTC [+]
04:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.431 BTC [-]
04:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4666 BTC [+]
04:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.431 BTC [-]
04:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4666 BTC [+]
04:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.431 BTC [-]
04:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.295 BTC [-]
04:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.099 BTC [-]
04:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00499 BTC [+]
04:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+]
04:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 59 @ 0.01 = 0.59 BTC [+]
04:41	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
04:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.295 = 11.655 BTC [-]
04:51	seongyupyoo	Mircea here?
04:51	seongyupyoo	Does anybody know how to make a blackhole address?
04:54	diana_coman	seongyupyoo maybe this would help you? http://www.cotsweb.com/blog/setting-up-a-black-hole-email-address-327.html
04:59	Diablo-D3	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DdfLtOrBPU&list=PLA9B8CDA6BA83F981
05:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 1.7798 = 14.2384 BTC [+]
05:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31999995 = 0.64 BTC [+]
05:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
05:20	KRS1	u guys hear about the attack on ltc
05:20	KRS1	<+Luke-Jr> ne0futur: also, to demonstrate, work is underway to 51% litecoin
05:20	Chaang-Noi	??
05:20	Chaang-Noi	is luke doing it?
05:21	KRS1	was going to ask him myself..idk
05:21	Chaang-Noi	seems hard to do
05:21	KRS1	<ukru> dub: What channel is this luke-jr conversation taking place in - bitcoinb-otc ?
05:21	KRS1	idk not much speed/power going on there i think
05:22	Chaang-Noi	there are a lot of miners mining ltc
05:22	Luke-Jr	Chaang-Noi: ltc scrypt is super-weak to FPGAs
05:22	KRS1	heh there we go
05:22	Chaang-Noi	if they have the ram
05:22	Luke-Jr	Chaang-Noi: even without RAM
05:23	Chaang-Noi	it seems silly to me that someone would go to the trouble to make a bunch of fpgas just to attack a coin and not mine for profit
05:23	Luke-Jr	don't need to make them
05:23	Luke-Jr	just a bitstream for existing bitcoin fpgas
05:24	Chaang-Noi	so, this is your project then?
05:24	Luke-Jr	nope
05:24	Luke-Jr	not mine
05:24	Chaang-Noi	i kinda doubt someone go to that trouble to kill litecoin when they could make massive oney
05:24	Luke-Jr	well, they plan to do both :p
05:25	Chaang-Noi	who is they?
05:25	Luke-Jr	not telling that
05:25	Chaang-Noi	well they will need a shit load of fpgas anyway
05:25	Luke-Jr	10 is enough
05:26	Chaang-Noi	lol
05:26	Luke-Jr	maybe a few more if more GPUs switch
05:26	Chaang-Noi	i kinda doub that
05:26	Luke-Jr	k
05:26	Chaang-Noi	10 fpgas can out do 1000's if not 10,000s gpus
05:27	Chaang-Noi	i find that very hard to belive
05:28	Luke-Jr	well, we'll see when it's done
05:28	Chaang-Noi	yeah
05:30	maximian	luke-jr: i missed some of the conversation - is this attack underway or will it be soon?
05:30	Luke-Jr	maximian: probably in a few weeks
05:31	maximian	interesting
05:31	maximian	should be fun watching the trollbox :)
05:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
05:38	Chaang-Noi	time to dump all my ltc (troll face)
		~ 17 minutes ~
05:56	mircea_popescu	jurov no it was 12.5
05:57	mircea_popescu	o i see, it's 12.5 in the capital expenses and 12 in mpbor line lol. ty.
06:00	mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136711955998.jpg
06:00	mircea_popescu	and top o' da mornin' to everyone.
06:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.0159 = 0.0318 BTC [-]
06:12	Chaang-Noi	,prning
06:12	Chaang-Noi	i mean morning
06:15	mircea_popescu	lol. hi.
06:15	mircea_popescu	how's the pietrilla conference ?
06:15	Chaang-Noi	i think he invited you
06:15	Chaang-Noi	he updated his thread
06:16	Chaang-Noi	honestly i dont think anyone will go
06:16	Chaang-Noi	even if it was going to do something its like a week away
06:16	Chaang-Noi	or 2 weeks
06:16	mircea_popescu	i have no idea why is he going so weird about things.
06:16	mircea_popescu	i mean, on the face of it : he seems to have a silver broker business or something.
06:16	mircea_popescu	instead of being sane he's been making himself this assclown all over the forum (way before this supernode thing, if you read his history)
06:16	Chaang-Noi	yeah
06:17	mircea_popescu	i just don't get it.
06:17	Chaang-Noi	i think he just made like a shit load of money and thinks it will keep going up at this rate
06:17	mircea_popescu	he doesn't really sound like that to me, but hey.
06:17	Chaang-Noi	if he bought his 2400 coins at $10 thats a good return for a few months
06:17	Chaang-Noi	maybe he just cant handle the wealthy
06:17	mircea_popescu	get out of here.
06:18	mircea_popescu	he bought his coins by selling silver and buying in the 1-200 range
06:18	mircea_popescu	he's said so, at that time.
06:18	Chaang-Noi	i see
06:18	Chaang-Noi	well...
06:18	Chaang-Noi	i dont know then
06:18	Chaang-Noi	maybe he just expects it to go to crazy, he said 300$ for mBTC in 2014
06:19	Chaang-Noi	thats like what 20k usd per coins? something silly...
06:19	mircea_popescu	300k per coin.
06:19	mircea_popescu	1btc = 1k mbtc neh ?
06:19	Chaang-Noi	thats a bit much
06:19	mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/lets-capture-forum-bugs-in-amber/
06:19	Chaang-Noi	maybe he is trying to be a btc player but is just too noob to know wtf he is doing
06:20	mircea_popescu	there. if he didn't sell during the collapse, he has some coins bought at 70ish
06:20	mircea_popescu	like 2k btc.
06:20	Chaang-Noi	he said he did not sell at the 200 but told others too
06:21	Chaang-Noi	he claims to have 2.4k ish btc
06:21	mircea_popescu	i mean, if he didn't sell in a panic back in march when btc collapsed to 50,
06:21	mircea_popescu	then he might still have 2, heck, 2.5k btc bought at 72
06:22	mircea_popescu	which is a pretty decent gains, whatever, 100k usd or what is it
06:22	Chaang-Noi	yeah i remember him talking about buying them at 70ish
06:22	Chaang-Noi	he was trying to get someone to buy for him
06:22	mircea_popescu	so then that's it.
06:22	Chaang-Noi	i wondered if he was a scammer at the time, guess not
06:22	mircea_popescu	well, this is all no proof.
06:22	Chaang-Noi	its in the now locked wall observer thread
06:22	mircea_popescu	it's just if we follow his own declarations there's a coherent construction that can be made.
06:23	Chaang-Noi	he could not even prove he had 13 btc, and lost it to a troll, that was fucking lulz
06:23	Chaang-Noi	im not sure what his conferance is really about, other than showing off how rich he/we are
06:23	Chaang-Noi	seems silly
06:23	mircea_popescu	well basically mpoe-pr was saying he's trying to copy mine
06:24	mircea_popescu	not necessarily a bad idea but he's going assbackwards about things
06:24	Chaang-Noi	you had a conferance?
06:26	mircea_popescu	well yes.
06:26	Chaang-Noi	i did not get the invite:)
06:27	mircea_popescu	well ya, most nobody did.
06:27	mircea_popescu	the select comittee on bitcoin affairs.
06:27	Chaang-Noi	lol
06:27	Chaang-Noi	was it in romania?
06:28	mircea_popescu	yup.
06:28	mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/
06:28	mircea_popescu	there, see who you recognise.
06:28	Chaang-Noi	eric and you
06:29	Chaang-Noi	i think iv seen the guy on the far left
06:29	Chaang-Noi	on top photo
06:29	mircea_popescu	well that's something.
06:29	Chaang-Noi	then you pr girl on the lower one
06:30	Chaang-Noi	thats about it
06:30	mircea_popescu	next to her is my cfo and next to her is my lead counsel.
06:30	Chaang-Noi	yeah id not know them
06:30	mircea_popescu	and in the top pic right under me woman behind chair is martha mcculler, my cto
06:40	mircea_popescu	i guess this is the only biz in bitcoin with more women than men involved or some shit.
06:41	Chaang-Noi	what about the brothels that take btc?
06:42	mircea_popescu	do those exist yet ?
06:42	Chaang-Noi	iv been told they do, in eurpe
06:43	mircea_popescu	eh this legend with europe
06:43	mircea_popescu	before the btc brothel, everyone in bdsm was convinced there exist these magical dungeons "in europe"
06:44	mircea_popescu	for some reason everyone thinks everything they can dream up is in europe. sorta like a modern day xanadu
06:44	Chaang-Noi	iv seen an advertisemnt, could have been a hoax
06:44	mircea_popescu	link ?
06:44	Chaang-Noi	long time ago and it was on tor
06:44	Chaang-Noi	i dont know it was real or not
06:45	Chaang-Noi	i was just looking to see what btc operations were on tor
06:45	Chaang-Noi	evidently some freelancers take btc too
06:46	mircea_popescu	well ya.
06:46	mircea_popescu	it's weird tho, pretty much the money trail is the only way to make a prostitution bust stick
06:46	mircea_popescu	yet afaik the girls haven't figured out bitcoin.
06:46	mircea_popescu	stupid.
06:47	Chaang-Noi	well customers need to have it
06:47	usagi	it looks like nefario is in the second picture.......
06:47	usagi	lol that really does look like him doesn' tit
06:47	mircea_popescu	customers don't want their car impounded.
06:47	mircea_popescu	i'm not talking about being a lazy ass cokehead and taking whatwever customers have.
06:48	mircea_popescu	i'm talking about being smart. which actually many whores are.
06:48	Chaang-Noi	nefario? lol
06:48	mircea_popescu	lmao
06:54	mircea_popescu	;;bc,hash 5000
06:54	gribble	Error: "bc,hash" is not a valid command.
06:54	mircea_popescu	bah. what's the command to eval mining results ?
06:57	Chaang-Noi	no idea
06:57	mircea_popescu	;;genrate 5000
06:57	gribble	The expected generation output, at 5000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 0.280192739128 BTC per day and 0.0116746974637 BTC per hour.
06:57	Chaang-Noi	who is the guy left of eric in the tip photo?
06:57	mircea_popescu	so people are bidding 30 btc on those blade boards for a chance to make .3 a day ?
06:57	mircea_popescu	ridoinculous.
06:58	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi he's in this chan, all i'm gonna say.
06:58	Chaang-Noi	iv seen him before
06:58	Chaang-Noi	jurov?
06:58	Namworld	Everything mining related is now ridiculously expensive
06:58	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi no, jurov is in the other pic
06:59	Chaang-Noi	well i know iv seen him before
06:59	Chaang-Noi	if not met him
06:59	mircea_popescu	i'm curious if you remember.
07:00	Chaang-Noi	burtw?
07:00	mircea_popescu	Namworld yea i agree. i mean... 100 days to breakeven w/o power or any other costs
07:00	mircea_popescu	and then there's going to be a ton of these deployed
07:00	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi nah
07:00	mircea_popescu	burtw is not in this chan is he
07:00	Chaang-Noi	well i dont know, but im pretty sure iv seen him before somewhere
07:01	mircea_popescu	unless he wants to out himself...
07:01	Chaang-Noi	not a big deal
07:03	mircea_popescu	;;nethash
07:03	gribble	72692.2434045
07:04	mircea_popescu	72th, srsly ?!
07:04	mircea_popescu	boy we've grown.
07:04	Chaang-Noi	people are buying gpus to mine, no joke
07:04	mircea_popescu	yeah at this price...
07:04	Chaang-Noi	and i wonder if bfl is mining with their half working shit
07:04	Chaang-Noi	id almost buy shit too, and then mine ltc with it
07:05	Chaang-Noi	but im pretty lazy
07:05	Chaang-Noi	AM is adding as well
07:08	mircea_popescu	"if you get back all your btc, while me and others lost all our fiat, i will do everything to make the site owner life hard not to share the lost beetween customers"
07:08	mircea_popescu	lol. fiat sucks. get used to it.
07:10	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.0159 = 0.0636 BTC [-]
07:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 21 @ 0.0163 = 0.3423 BTC [+]
07:12	assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
07:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1018 BTC [+]
07:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1025 BTC [+]
07:17	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]
07:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]
07:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.003322 = 0.0066 BTC [+]
07:31	KRS1	;;goxlag
07:32	gribble	MtGox lag is 0.860826 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00172508566571 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU).
07:32	kakobrekla	13:04.26 ( Chaang-Noi ) people are buying gpus to mine, no joke
07:32	kakobrekla	they are even buying ztex fpga
07:32	kakobrekla	which is like ~1k eur for less than a GH
07:32	kakobrekla	retaded
07:33	kakobrekla	also i have seen icarus which costs 500e or something to go for 15bt
07:33	kakobrekla	a used one ofc.
07:34	KRS1	wow..whats next? little kids wont even be able go get that new gpu they wanted to play space warriors X for Christmas?
07:35	mircea_popescu	pretty much.
07:35	mircea_popescu	luckily the good gpus (ati) are useless for mining
07:35	mircea_popescu	this may perversely actually destroy nvidia
07:35	mircea_popescu	as we buy all their products they're losing market share in the gaming mkt.
07:35	KRS1	ATI are useless for mining? Thats all I used to use..hell 3 6970's gave me 1.2 Ghash
07:36	mircea_popescu	or wait no
07:36	mircea_popescu	i got it backwards. nvidia.
07:36	KRS1	nvidia..the other way round =D
07:36	mircea_popescu	yeah.
07:36	KRS1	man did they miss the boat on that one
07:36	KRS1	they were looking for an entirely different market like weather modeling
07:39	KRS1	sorry for correcting you- easy mistake to make
07:40	KRS1	lol@bitpotato.com
07:40	Chaang-Noi	kakobrekla you saw on ebay some of the cassicus coins selling for 2k usd?
07:40	Chaang-Noi	people just want into btc
07:40	KRS1	wtf is next..tampons?
07:40	kakobrekla	yes
07:40	mircea_popescu	what do you mean sorry lol. if you hadn't said anything it'd still be there lol
07:40	kakobrekla	i have some of those coins
07:40	kakobrekla	but i dont have ebay acc
07:40	Chaang-Noi	i have some as well
07:40	Chaang-Noi	yeah same here, fuck ebay
07:40	kakobrekla	Chaang-Noi ill sell for 1k to you and you sell for 2k on bay
07:40	Chaang-Noi	lol
07:40	Chaang-Noi	i have my own but thanks:) also fuck ebay:)
07:40	kakobrekla	hehe
07:41	kakobrekla	this bitcoin is getting all fucked up
07:41	kakobrekla	too main stream
07:41	Chaang-Noi	haha
07:41	mircea_popescu	omg scam
07:41	mircea_popescu	you know, thios would be pretty cool, iof instead of claiming hack
07:41	Chaang-Noi	just wait until paypal and western union start using it
07:41	mircea_popescu	the scammer start claiming "too lame".
07:43	Chaang-Noi	AM selling 50 blades this time around
07:43	KRS1	how can i get in on them blades
07:43	Chaang-Noi	auction on the forum
07:44	kakobrekla	urlpls
07:44	Chaang-Noi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189248
07:44	mircea_popescu	ya it was like at 30
07:44	Chaang-Noi	no paypal
07:44	mircea_popescu	i was saying before, insanity.
07:44	Chaang-Noi	a day left still
07:44	kakobrekla	hmmm
07:44	Chaang-Noi	last went for 75
07:44	Chaang-Noi	these should go 50 ormore
07:44	kakobrekla	top ptice is 35 now
07:45	kakobrekla	::calc bc,convert eur
07:45	mircea_popescu	da fuck tho seriously. they are 5gh/s right ?
07:45	kakobrekla	wtf
07:45	kakobrekla	im half sleep
07:45	kakobrekla	;;bc,convert eur
07:45	gribble	1 BTC = 133.83000 U.S. dollars = 102.732786 Euros
07:45	kakobrekla	also half sheep
07:45	mircea_popescu	shleep
07:45	mircea_popescu	btw did you see the fluorescent sheeps ?
07:45	kakobrekla	hm
07:45	kakobrekla	i dont think so
07:46	Chaang-Noi	they are 10 ghs
07:46	mircea_popescu	http://www.nodeju.com/8327/fluorescent-sheep-born-in-uruguay.html
07:46	kakobrekla	;;bc,genrate 1
07:46	gribble	Error: "bc,genrate" is not a valid command.
07:46	kakobrekla	;;bc,gen 1
07:46	gribble	use the 'genrate' command instead
07:46	mircea_popescu	;;genrate 10000
07:46	gribble	The expected generation output, at 10000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 0.560385478255 BTC per day and 0.0233493949273 BTC per hour.
07:46	kakobrekla	dammit
07:46	kakobrekla	a
07:46	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi ok so not quite insane as i originally thought. still pretty insane
07:46	kakobrekla	thats 10 jigga hash right
07:46	mircea_popescu	ya
07:46	kakobrekla	sheesh
07:47	mircea_popescu	and! diff is for sure 10mn by end of month
07:47	mircea_popescu	or ealry next
07:47	kakobrekla	;;bc,stats
07:47	gribble	Current Blocks: 233564 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 291 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9972380.59898 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.12159
07:47	kakobrekla	ha
07:47	kakobrekla	that bet
07:47	kakobrekla	...
07:47	mircea_popescu	ya lol
07:47	mircea_popescu	like JUST on the cusp.
07:47	mircea_popescu	incredible shit.
07:48	kakobrekla	so hm
07:48	kakobrekla	you need 100 days at current diff
07:48	kakobrekla	to get the money back
07:48	kakobrekla	which is more like 300
07:48	kakobrekla	on the end
07:49	kakobrekla	if the board lives that long
07:49	mircea_popescu	o look at this. Chaang-Noi apparently you're invited.
07:49	mircea_popescu	"Goat MP satoshi"
07:49	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 398 @ 0.005 = 1.99 BTC [+]
07:49	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ikr?
07:49	kakobrekla	myea
07:49	kakobrekla	i guess im out
07:50	mircea_popescu	"I purposely omitted people not in this forum from the list."
07:50	mircea_popescu	see ? i'm on the forum. you're not.
07:50	mircea_popescu	noob.
07:50	mircea_popescu	funny list tho
07:51	kakobrekla	where is that from?
07:51	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg1965013#msg1965013
07:51	mircea_popescu	sorta informative,
07:51	mircea_popescu	shows us what the noobs think are the movers and shakers.
07:51	mircea_popescu	sirius etc.
07:51	mircea_popescu	sorta like asking the tv crowd their idea on who runs america
07:52	mircea_popescu	"that rap producer guy, that boxing promoter guy, obama and that chick on twitter".
07:53	kakobrekla	hm
07:53	kakobrekla	im not on the list.
07:53	mircea_popescu	"The reason there are pledges, which cost more and more when the # of participants is increasing, is that otherwise I would benefit too much from the tickets. The ticket income increases quadratically with the number of admissions, the costs go up perhaps in the 1.5th power. "
07:53	mircea_popescu	this math. bitcoin is based on it.
07:54	pigeons	maff
07:56	kakobrekla	imma just a sub node sector zappa 6b
07:56	kakobrekla	not relevant enough :(
07:58	kakobrekla	http://vimeo.com/26149808
08:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.299 = 2.598 BTC [+]
08:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.299 = 2.598 BTC [+]
08:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
08:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.299899 = 2.5998 BTC [+]
08:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.3 = 32.5 BTC [+]
08:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.3 = 6.5 BTC [+]
08:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 14 @ 1.3 = 18.2 BTC [+]
08:10	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla The mystery man came over and he said "I'm outta sight!"
08:10	mircea_popescu	He said for a nominal service charge I could reach nirvana tonight
08:12	KRS1	I wouldnt mind reaching nirvana at some point..i'm sure it involves a long legged blonde at some point
08:12	KRS1	d'oh
08:19	error4733	;;next
08:19	gribble	targets: 150, 160-164 | resistance: 136, 140 | support: 120, 118-114, 106-103 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 28 2013, 00:29 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 11 hours, 50 minutes, and 42 seconds ago
08:23	Chaang-Noi	mp yeah i said you got invited and yeah me too, right along with satoshi, lulz
08:25	Chaang-Noi	mp that list is mostly people from the wall obeservation thread
08:25	Chaang-Noi	i would not mind going to findland but i really dont think much will come of this
08:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00066644 = 3.3322 BTC [-]
08:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00066643 = 3.4321 BTC [-]
08:27	Chaang-Noi	lol what?
08:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00300427 = 3.6051 BTC [-]
08:30	Uglux	wow dat AM auction, and still one day left
08:37	ThickAsThieves	these call options are overpriced...
08:38	ThickAsThieves	$195 is best breakeven
08:39	error4733	Mp backstop ;)
08:39	ThickAsThieves	so now we need 50% swings to make any money...
08:39	ThickAsThieves	bastion of satbility that is
08:39	ThickAsThieves	stability*
08:40	error4733	how many 50% swing this month ?
08:40	error4733	4? 5?
08:41	ThickAsThieves	except when it was factoring those it was even worse
08:41	ThickAsThieves	also, what about the 2years of history before
08:42	ThickAsThieves	your point makes sense
08:42	ThickAsThieves	but it also cripples options
08:52	assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.P161T] 1 @ 0.79690016 BTC
08:53	error4733	Haha,
08:54	assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C107T] 3 @ 0.45517597 = 1.3655 BTC [-]
08:54	ThickAsThieves	there :/
08:54	ThickAsThieves	i'll dabble
08:54	error4733	i'm with you for the call
08:56	error4733	just need one drama monday
08:57	mircea_popescu	error4733 ya lol
08:59	error4733	black april is not finish yet... be ready for the final
09:00	mircea_popescu	"You can easily buy money with coolness. You can hardly buy coolness with money."
09:00	mircea_popescu	dude this thread is gomedy cold.
09:02	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wtf, is assets +i now ?
09:02	kakobrekla	ops
09:02	kakobrekla	my bad
09:02	mircea_popescu	ppl were like "invite me plz" i was wtf ?!
09:03	KRS-1	ya well I started talking shit about obama and next thing i know my power went out
09:03	Chaang-Noi	i was kicked?
09:03	kakobrekla	not yet
09:03	mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi well ironically i usually go to finland/estonia/whatever in summer
09:04	mircea_popescu	but april kinda early.
09:05	Chaang-Noi	* Cannot join #bitcoin-assets (Channel is invite only).
09:05	Chaang-Noi	well its in may but still
09:05	Chaang-Noi	id be tempted to go if some other btc people were going but its too soon
09:05	mircea_popescu	i kinda don't like these "let's do something everything" affairs tbh.
09:06	Chaang-Noi	yeah, i dont see what will be done, i also dont see who is going
09:07	KRS-1	Thank you Mircea, you were the only one I could think of. Who can I msg next time or who is ops that is usually here
09:08	mircea_popescu	i don't have ops lol
09:09	Chaang-Noi	kako has ops
09:13	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla if you want +i you probably need to add a whole list of +I first
09:14	mircea_popescu	might not even be the worst idea.
09:14	mircea_popescu	of course +r has the disadvantage that all the noob chicks wanting to go topless mpoe-pr keeps sending over won't be able to get it anymoar.
09:19	mircea_popescu	!t m ^oix
09:19	assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 53.96737151 / 197.9610204 / 305.88369172 (94 shares, 7.88 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
09:19	mircea_popescu	200 eh.
09:19	KRS-1	wtf
09:19	KRS-1	damnit gribble
09:20	KRS-1	noobs are buying up those potatos
09:29	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3085 BTC [+]
09:34	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3086 = 2.6172 BTC [+]
09:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3085 = 2.617 BTC [-]
09:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3085 BTC [-]
09:47	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 8 @ 0.00275 = 0.022 BTC [-]
09:47	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.3086 = 5.2344 BTC [+]
09:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.3086 = 3.9258 BTC [+]
09:52	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0163 BTC [+]
09:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.005 BTC [+]
09:57	kakobrekla	or +m and have a voicelist
09:58	kakobrekla	but whatever it will be, it will be after the boobs are found.
09:58	assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 316 @ 0.005 = 1.58 BTC [+]
10:01	mircea_popescu	yeah. trilema is +m and voicelisted.
10:03	KRS-1	anyone know this cat Betcoin was 6d825f55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.130.95.85 * 109.130.95.85
10:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.28 = 11.52 BTC [-]
10:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00065421 = 9.8132 BTC [-]
10:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.0006524 = 2.2508 BTC [-]
10:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.308 BTC [+]
10:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3088 BTC [+]
10:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.319 BTC [+]
10:23	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.32 BTC [+]
10:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00066367 = 18.0518 BTC [+]
10:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00067064 = 2.3546 BTC [+]
10:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.32 = 2.64 BTC [+]
10:48	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 6 @ 0.015 = 0.09 BTC [-]
10:50	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2801 BTC [-]
10:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9851 @ 0.00067648 = 6.664 BTC [+]
10:53	assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 55 @ 0.001887 = 0.1038 BTC [+]
11:03	Chaang-Noi	nice to see AM at 1.28 bids:)
11:03	Chaang-Noi	should be really nice this time next week
11:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2801 BTC [-]
11:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3199 BTC [+]
11:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [-]
11:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29 BTC [-]
		~ 23 minutes ~
11:39	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1998 = 0.3996 BTC [-]
11:41	mircea_popescu	http://www.os-fashion.com/vcs-think-my-boobs-need-an-algorithm/ chick knows her shit.
11:54	truff1es	boobs arent all the same size thats why the algorithm duh
12:08	tiberiusiv	;;bids 50
12:08	gribble	There are currently 161577.74 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 13993939.8375 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0085 seconds
12:09	tiberiusiv	;;asks 200
12:09	gribble	There are currently 75062.168 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 12494310.4521 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.0760 seconds
12:11	thestringpuller	tiberiusiv: can we be friends?
12:11	thestringpuller	Or do you only take payment in bitcoin for your friend services?
12:12	thestringpuller	;;ticker
12:12	gribble	BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.00010, Best ask: 136.04000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03990, Last trade: 136.04000, 24 hour volume: 53937.13488029, 24 hour low: 122.71000, 24 hour high: 136.68000, 24 hour vwap: 129.76267
12:14	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu wouldn't you say this quote also applies to Paul Graham? >> " the crappy start-ups that got funding at high valuations are struggling and are unable to get Series B funding, dropping like flies, creating a tech bubble"
12:15	mircea_popescu	writing brb.
12:16	thestringpuller	Also mircea_popescu apparently she's the CEO of the company that produces this: http://www.blueseventy.com/products/2012-helix-full-suit
12:16	truff1es	i'll take friendship monies anytime
12:16	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/mind-your-step/
12:16	mircea_popescu	aha ? not bad
12:18	thestringpuller	Alright mircea_popescu you win, lemme send you more coin for your paywall
12:18	thestringpuller	.01 gets me how many credits?
12:19	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
12:19	gribble	BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.60000, Best ask: 136.04000, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 136.04000, 24 hour volume: 54078.06233830, 24 hour low: 122.71000, 24 hour high: 136.68000, 24 hour vwap: 129.78047
12:19	mircea_popescu	like 1.3k
12:19	thestringpuller	lets do un/pw this time
12:19	mircea_popescu	un/pw ?
12:19	thestringpuller	username password
12:19	thestringpuller	instead of based on ip
12:19	truff1es	dont subscribe !
12:19	thestringpuller	don't subscribe to the NYT
12:20	thestringpuller	when you can use it as TP instead :P
12:20	mircea_popescu	a ywes. kk.
12:20	thestringpuller	what address should I send to?
12:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2911 BTC [+]
12:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.291 BTC [-]
12:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.291 BTC [-]
12:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.28 BTC [-]
12:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2801 BTC [+]
12:37	mircea_popescu	so apparently mtgox is writing a new trade engine
12:37	mircea_popescu	in brainfuck.
12:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.4399 = 4.399 BTC [+]
12:38	mircea_popescu	++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
12:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4399 = 0.8798 BTC [+]
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4399 BTC [+]
12:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4399 = 0.8798 BTC [+]
12:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: I once wrote a FORTH to Brainfuck compiler. Betcha they dug it out from the sands of time and are using it.
12:41	mircea_popescu	was it under 256 bytes ?
12:41	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: close to that
12:42	mircea_popescu	should fit in ram over 9000 times then
12:42	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: try it yourself, it isn't hard
12:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+]
12:48	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu I feel as though you allude the biggest problem bitcoin faces is arrogance amongst n00bs...
12:49	mircea_popescu	nah.
12:49	thestringpuller	"I bought in at 10 dollars, now I'm rich" bullshit etc.
12:49	mircea_popescu	well not unless you expand noobs to mean everyone.
12:49	mircea_popescu	i guess arrogance is the universal problem.
12:49	thestringpuller	I would say Keiser is still a n00b.
12:49	mircea_popescu	"i'm too cool to suck cock" "i don't need to learn math" "why should i stop for red lights" etc.
12:49	thestringpuller	He just happens to have money in the bank.
12:50	thestringpuller	but people who say, "I don't need to learn math" end up coming up short when you give them money to do business.
12:50	thestringpuller	Like EVERYTIME
12:50	thestringpuller	"Oh I thought you wanted 1.40 per sale not 2 dollars"
12:51	thestringpuller	Okay maybe arrogance isn't the proper word.
12:51	thestringpuller	How about "delusional"
12:51	asciilifeform	problem is, "why should I stop for red light" is mere Darwin-food when the noob has a motorcycle. In the case of BTC, he has a trailer loaded with bricks.
12:51	mircea_popescu	well yes. the divergence between reality and representation and the complacency with the situation. source of all trouble.
12:52	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform then you question the wisdom of only allowing people on motorcycles until they show they drive well :D
12:54	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: I'm for the "mandatory pedestrian ram" plus "automatic liability of idiots" - method of traffic regulation.
12:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2701 BTC [-]
12:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.27 BTC [-]
12:55	asciilifeform	a la https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine_(video_game)
12:55	mircea_popescu	hey.
12:55	mircea_popescu	you ever played death track ?
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4588 = 2.294 BTC [+]
12:56	thestringpuller	lol death track
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [+]
12:56	asciilifeform	yes
12:56	mircea_popescu	yeah. back in like 1990
12:56	thestringpuller	i didn't know they had video games in romania
12:56	mircea_popescu	we had gta, except only the cool kids with computers played it
12:56	thestringpuller	HAHAHAHAHA
12:56	thestringpuller	omg
12:56	thestringpuller	quote stolen
12:56	mircea_popescu	lol
12:57	thestringpuller	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136706164156.jpg < who is the guy on the top picture?
12:57	thestringpuller	btw
12:57	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller some forum clown
12:57	asciilifeform	is that the "Class X BTC Supernode" fellow?
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.46 = 2.3 BTC [+]
13:00	mircea_popescu	yea
13:01	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu seems the billpay idea actually is working...
13:02	mircea_popescu	which one is that ?
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.312 BTC [-]
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31200001 BTC [+]
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31499999 BTC [+]
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.315 = 4.095 BTC [+]
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.31999995 = 2.24 BTC [+]
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31999998 BTC [+]
13:03	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://billpayforcoins.com/
13:03	thestringpuller	i'm sure that's crossed your browser at some point
13:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0163 = 0.163 BTC [+]
13:04	mircea_popescu	Update - 4/25/2013
13:04	mircea_popescu	Thank you all for checking us out. We are currently working on restructuring our payment backend to be in full compliance with all government regulations. We will be back up as soon as all our ducks are in a row.
13:04	mircea_popescu	i guess so much for it working.
13:04	thestringpuller	OH WOW
13:04	thestringpuller	hahahaha
13:04	troc	v.interesting, would the coins you spend that way be liable for any taxation as a benefit in kind ?
13:04	thestringpuller	troc: wouldn't that depend on where you pay from?
13:05	thestringpuller	pay via a server in africa I wouldn't think so...
13:05	thestringpuller	WHO THE FUCK IS THIS CLOWN
13:05	thestringpuller	Riley Alexander
13:05	thestringpuller	Co - Founder, Idea Engine, Master Hand Shaker
13:05	thestringpuller	Idea Engine?
13:05	thestringpuller	MASTER HAND SHAKER?
13:06	thestringpuller	"Two-Bit Entrepreneur"
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.468 = 2.808 BTC [+]
13:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.298 BTC [+]
13:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
13:06	mircea_popescu	well i dunno wtf that's all about. here you can pay other people's bills
13:06	mircea_popescu	i should know.
13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4701 = 1.4103 BTC [+]
13:07	thestringpuller	come again mircea_popescu ?
13:07	mircea_popescu	i don't see what regulations they would be breaking.
13:07	mircea_popescu	so i pay X's bill. sooo ?
13:08	thestringpuller	ah
13:08	thestringpuller	I'm just sick of bitcoin entrepreneurs
13:08	thestringpuller	it's becoming worse than YCombinator shit
13:09	thestringpuller	"Hey man I have this AWESOME idea. Girls need bra's right? LETS MAKE A WEBSITE TO GET CUSTOM BRAS"
13:09	thestringpuller	As if Victoria Secret doesn't have that market seized already...
13:09	troc	billpay : say its the mortgage, it could be a neat way to avoid capital gains on BTC no ?
13:12	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller but no panties.
13:13	mircea_popescu	actually there was this french brand made a fortune by selling bra and panty sets
13:13	mircea_popescu	except they had one bra and FIVE matching panties in the pack.
13:13	mircea_popescu	wish i could recall da fuck it was called.
13:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3297 BTC [+]
13:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3298 BTC [+]
13:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2801 BTC [-]
13:18	assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+]
13:21	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.32989 BTC [+]
13:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.32999 = 13.2999 BTC [+]
13:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.331 = 9.317 BTC [+]
13:22	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.333334 BTC [+]
13:27	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.337 BTC [+]
13:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.32 = 8.64 BTC [+]
13:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00302262 = 3.0226 BTC [+]
13:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 3020 @ 0.00302263 = 9.1283 BTC [+]
13:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.346 BTC [+]
13:34	kakobrekla	moar? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188735.0
13:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3202 BTC [-]
13:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3202 BTC [-]
13:43	mircea_popescu	Our model Our platform is designed to allow the trading of bitcoin for bitcoin.
13:43	mircea_popescu	logical.
13:43	mircea_popescu	Who's behind it? Our team consists of seasoned traders with experience in some of the worlds most successful banks, investment banks and accounting firms.
13:43	mircea_popescu	sigh.
13:44	kakobrekla	hm
13:45	kakobrekla	well, dunno why is it so cryptic about it
13:45	kakobrekla	>BTC.sx is funded privately. We operate with a tier 1 total capital ratio level of 110% minimum.
13:45	kakobrekla	>Our team consists of seasoned traders with experience in some of the worlds most successful banks, investment banks and accounting firms.
13:46	kakobrekla	who again?
13:48	mircea_popescu	his mom.
13:49	mircea_popescu	"From what I've googled, I understand that scalping helps lower spreads but ultimately, aren't you just betting upon a upward or downward price movement?"
13:49	mircea_popescu	him in 2012.
13:49	mircea_popescu	meanwhile experience happened. at the world's most successful banks
13:49	mircea_popescu	apostrophe's on me.
13:57	arij	wrong channel
13:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.32 = 2.64 BTC [-]
14:00	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.339 BTC [+]
14:01	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.34698 = 2.694 BTC [+]
14:03	assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C134T] 85 @ 0.35903146 = 30.5177 BTC [+]
14:04	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3171 BTC [-]
14:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [-]
14:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00065476 = 3.6667 BTC [-]
14:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.0006524 = 2.1203 BTC [-]
14:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00064 = 2.848 BTC [-]
14:31	ThickAsThieves	;;nethash
14:31	gribble	73988.0257577
14:31	ThickAsThieves	;;tslb
14:31	gribble	Time since last block: 3 minutes and 7 seconds
14:31	ThickAsThieves	;;estimate
14:31	gribble	Next difficulty estimate | 9973647.0479 based on data since last change | 10335850.0809 based on data for last three days
14:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 40 @ 0.00301 = 0.1204 BTC [-]
14:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 510 @ 0.003 = 1.53 BTC [-]
14:38	kakobrekla	sooo, whats new
14:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 165 @ 0.01 = 1.65 BTC [+]
14:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
14:40	mircea_popescu	there's a new bitcoin exchange
14:40	mircea_popescu	there's a new asic producer
14:40	mircea_popescu	there's a new "investment opportunity"
14:41	kakobrekla	there's a new "gtfo by mpoe-pr post"
14:41	truff1es	chat is lively today
14:41	mircea_popescu	that for sure.
14:42	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.31 BTC [+]
14:44	kakobrekla	anyone got cas coins for sale, i need a few moar
14:44	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188735.msg1967971#msg1967971
14:45	mircea_popescu	ask and thou shalt recieve
14:45	kakobrekla	hm
14:45	kakobrekla	is the definition of who shouldnt be doing what getting broader?
14:46	mircea_popescu	how do you mean ?
14:49	kakobrekla	moar rant
14:49	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189895.msg1968364#msg1968364
14:50	kakobrekla	bah
14:50	kakobrekla	typo
14:50	kakobrekla	fixd
14:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4423 @ 0.00066115 = 2.9243 BTC [+]
14:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4965 @ 0.00068029 = 3.3776 BTC [+]
14:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00069403 = 3.6784 BTC [+]
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00069498 = 0.834 BTC [+]
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00069884 = 5.5907 BTC [+]
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00071 = 2.4495 BTC [+]
14:59	benkay	for all the bile and hate about children building technology from MPOEPR we have no idea who makes up mircea's team
14:59	mircea_popescu	not following the chan are you :p
14:59	kakobrekla	i think i got contacted by a scammer and he is trying to sell some cas coins (and i think he doest even know what that is)
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071 = 7.1 BTC [+]
14:59	kakobrekla	lets have some fun
14:59	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> Who's behind it? Our team consists of seasoned traders with experience in some of the worlds most successful banks, investment banks and accounting firms.
14:59	ThickAsThieves	kidding!
15:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071 = 7.1 BTC [+]
15:00	benkay	chan's not terribly persistent or searchable
15:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3148 @ 0.00071 = 2.2351 BTC [+]
15:01	kakobrekla	assbot has been keeping logs for a few days now
15:01	mircea_popescu	benkay k 1 sec
15:01	kakobrekla	ill make it public soonish
15:01	kakobrekla	and searchable i guess
15:01	ThickAsThieves	I have logs for most of the past month or two
15:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49514 @ 0.00071 = 35.1549 BTC [+]
15:02	kakobrekla	i have logs from 1 year ago but they are all fucked up
15:02	benkay	i'm trying to highlight the double standard of "no pro-grade team called out on site, where team is expected to be called out" vs the MPEx approach which is "MPEx is run by someone well versed in power dynamics and getting people to do things. trust him to select the right people to do things."
15:02	benkay	chat logs are not public declaration of team makeup.
15:02	benkay	they're chat logs.
15:03	kakobrekla	thats another issue
15:03	truff1es	oh snap
15:03	mircea_popescu	benkay http://pastebin.com/VJ2W6xg4
15:03	mircea_popescu	towards the end
15:03	truff1es	benkay did u miss the show and tell picture
15:04	benkay	nope
15:04	benkay	but who are those humans?
15:05	benkay	"cfo"
15:05	benkay	"lead counsel"
15:05	truff1es	i dunno who are who
15:05	truff1es	just the woman and mp
15:05	benkay	"exercise to reader"
15:05	benkay	rly?
15:05	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00338 BTC [+]
15:05	benkay	no names
15:05	benkay	no employment histories
15:05	truff1es	those things dont concern me lol
15:05	mircea_popescu	heh. mkay.
15:05	benkay	no demonstrations of past success.
15:05	mircea_popescu	martha is already named there. she's named on the domain registratiosn too.
15:05	mircea_popescu	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2002JulSep/0110.html
15:05	mircea_popescu	for instance.
15:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.775 BTC [-]
15:06	mircea_popescu	the famous court proceedings where i beat back the romanian govt had been amply linked but i guess you never saw that.
15:06	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00338 BTC [+]
15:06	mircea_popescu	guy's name is florin cristescu, it's all over that.
15:06	truff1es	trades should be concerned about separation of funds and profits imo
15:06	benkay	have not, not.
15:06	mircea_popescu	in other words : none of this is a secret, it's known by people who care to know as it were.
15:08	benkay	but if I say, 'dear mircea_popescu, where would I go to learn about the amazing team you've assembled to run your business?' your answer is 'do some research, child'
15:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.002753 BTC [-]
15:08	mircea_popescu	you do see why dominant position would ensure one such luxury
15:08	benkay	which induces a bit of culture shock, in that i generally expect people to be proud of the team they work with, and eager to show that they're above board and real grownups etc.
15:08	benkay	oh of course
15:08	mircea_popescu	whereas being an upstart would not ?
15:08	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [-]
15:09	mircea_popescu	after all, i'm not proving myself to random unknown noob on the forum
15:09	mircea_popescu	he is proving himself to me.
15:09	mircea_popescu	trust is this directional affair.
15:09	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I just sold some panties for 1 bitcoin
15:09	mircea_popescu	if he doesn't trust me that's pretty much of no import. if i don't trust him that's a serious impairment on his future.
15:10	thestringpuller	we should drop this exchange nonsense and get into the lingerie business yo
15:11	truff1es	used panties?
15:11	kakobrekla	hm panties4btc
15:11	benkay	I guess I'm just bemused by the difference in approach towards image in your area.
15:12	benkay	"but i lols so powerful image is nothing"
15:12	mircea_popescu	i don't follow benkay ?
15:12	benkay	big American companies are obsessed with image.
15:13	benkay	big American investors are obsessed with image.
15:13	benkay	transparency, etc.
15:13	FabianB	image != transparency
15:13	mircea_popescu	yeah i thin kthere's some conflation at work here.
15:13	benkay	image = f(transparency and other shit)
15:14	mircea_popescu	not really, no. but anyway. it isn't/never was a matter of "do some research child". in the sense that i answered if asked, but in general stuff is known.
15:15	benkay	so returning to culture shock, I'm accustomed to things being indexed instead of known
15:15	mircea_popescu	yeah.
15:15	mircea_popescu	hey, it's btc you know ?
15:16	mircea_popescu	i'm giving a slightly different approach a go.
15:16	benkay	and you're endeavoring to write new rules, I get it.
15:16	mircea_popescu	well at least make some motherfucking sense
15:16	ThickAsThieves	benkay, i suspect mp's people would prefer their privacy over "image"
15:16	ThickAsThieves	i know i would
15:16	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves some care more than others.
15:16	mircea_popescu	it's an issue here, i mean : for years the ONLY way you could get anyone with any sort of license to even consider bitcoin
15:17	mircea_popescu	is if you swore on dead saints you will never release their name
15:17	benkay	so this veers into philosophy and prognostication, but how much longer can anyone expect any information to remain unindexed?
15:17	mircea_popescu	this because being a financial professional is highly regulated, they'd have to get an ok from their compliance officer,
15:17	mircea_popescu	which would never happen etc.
15:17	benkay	consider bitcoin what?
15:17	mircea_popescu	benkay indefinitely in principle. unless something happens to show me the model is fundamentally flawed, i think it will carry on forever.
15:18	mircea_popescu	benkay consider bitcoin. in their head.
15:18	benkay	but if you hire them and their compliance officer?did you contract with existing financial firms to do accounting and backoffice etc?
15:19	benkay	also I hate asking questions that have been answered already. aversion to repetition and all that.
15:19	mircea_popescu	no listen. the year is 2011. i get excited about this new btc thing. i know what it needs to have a chance. i know i need help. i know whose help i need.
15:19	mircea_popescu	i talk to these people. well... they can't get involved.
15:19	mircea_popescu	so what now /
15:19	benkay	why can't they get involved? risking their licensure?
15:19	truff1es	its 2013
15:20	mircea_popescu	do you know how this profession is organised ?
15:20	benkay	in the us? to an extent. in romania? no clue.
15:20	benkay	and which profession?
15:21	ThickAsThieves	I'm not sure why eother of you think this conversation will go anywhere
15:21	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves naivite.
15:21	benkay	mp knows i'm actually trying to learn stuff
15:21	mircea_popescu	benkay basically, it's a team of people with various types of licenses, a boss, a compliance officer and some more sdupport roles.
15:22	mircea_popescu	the rule - simplified - is that nobody can get involved into ANYTHING related to their day job even vaguely
15:22	mircea_popescu	w/o clearing it with the compliance officer.
15:22	mircea_popescu	this includes things like giving interviews even.
15:22	benkay	got it. so everyone's doing this as a side job?
15:22	mircea_popescu	people (actual people in this chan) have been sacked for nonsense like, telling a reporter they make a lot of money and are living the life.
15:23	truff1es	that would suck
15:23	mircea_popescu	now. the compliance officer is NEVER going to ok something like "bitcoin". because he only ok's on positive factual knowledge it's ok.
15:23	mircea_popescu	so if it's dubious, then it's not gettiong ok.
15:24	mircea_popescu	so, to round this up : for all the bullshit "we're getting ws involved" coming out of purely puff style start-ups like coin-whatever,
15:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3001 BTC [-]
15:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [-]
15:24	mircea_popescu	ws people were involved since 2011/early 2012, in the only way they could be.
15:24	mircea_popescu	which is, secretly.
15:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3 = 2.6 BTC [-]
15:24	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.27 BTC [-]
15:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.269001 BTC [-]
15:25	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 1.269 = 19.035 BTC [-]
15:26	benkay	that makes a startling amount of sense.
15:26	mircea_popescu	that's as to why you will likely never know who's on my short list of people i talk to / scream at / with on macroeconomic topics, finance etc.
15:26	mircea_popescu	now, the coders are often uninterested in talking to the public.
15:26	mircea_popescu	other than that, some people don't care, which is why you get the names/mugs of some people.
15:28	benkay	and you anticipate maintaining the privacy wall indefinitely?
15:28	mircea_popescu	0/1/infinity is the rule
15:28	benkay	hah
15:28	mircea_popescu	since i'm doing it it's not 0. unless some sort of obvious 1 hits me over the head
15:28	mircea_popescu	it's infinity.
15:29	ThickAsThieves	so at this get together, did some people not tell others who they were?
15:29	ThickAsThieves	or do all involved know eachother's identity
15:29	mircea_popescu	some people met in person lol. some haven't. each his cup of tea
15:30	benkay	0 information leakage is a secret kept by 1 person. some information leakage happens when more than 1 person knows stuff. eventually, all information will leak. infinity?
15:30	ThickAsThieves	its obv much cooler if some attendees used fake names
15:31	mircea_popescu	ya, eventually all information will leak which is why you know who killed kennedy or w/e
15:31	benkay	hm.
15:31	ThickAsThieves	hehe
15:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2681 BTC [-]
15:31	benkay	that's more of a signal to noise claim, sir.
15:31	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.268 = 2.536 BTC [-]
15:31	mircea_popescu	just making the point that information will leak is this proposition of statistics
15:32	mircea_popescu	it may be true, but it may not help you.
15:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2671 BTC [-]
15:32	benkay	oh granted
15:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.267 = 8.869 BTC [-]
15:32	benkay	but there's lots of noise in the market and some traders manage to beat the mean year after year
15:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.265 BTC [-]
15:32	mircea_popescu	well other than that i was answering the q of how long im doing something
15:32	mircea_popescu	not how long it works
15:32	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.255 BTC [-]
15:32	ezdiy	mircea_popescu: what about information which leaks once its harmless?
15:33	ezdiy	to lump it all together does not seem right
15:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.251 BTC [-]
15:33	mircea_popescu	yeah.
15:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2501 BTC [-]
15:33	ThickAsThieves	it's amazing how this conversation gets more and more interesting
15:33	ezdiy	(but the statistics holds indeed)
15:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [-]
15:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.25 = 3.75 BTC [-]
15:33	kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves you just fucked it up
15:33	truff1es	yep wasnt even me
15:33	mircea_popescu	lol
15:34	ThickAsThieves	;)
15:34	ThickAsThieves	any time
15:35	ThickAsThieves	but really, it started as benkay asking what give mpoe-pr/mpex/mp the right to question others experience, and turned into, i dunno
15:35	benkay	no not question
15:35	benkay	everyone has the right to question
15:35	truff1es	i thought he wanted to know their level of experience or image..
15:35	benkay	expressed shock at attitude of "who are you" when we know, like, MP
15:35	ThickAsThieves	sometimes my words mean more than what the dictionarys defines them as
15:36	kakobrekla	i think that means using it wrong
15:36	ThickAsThieves	i prefer "creatively"
15:36	truff1es	creatively failing
15:36	truff1es	benkay good chat
15:37	truff1es	even though it made mp look less of an ass to me, still gonna throw in my jabs
15:37	benkay	success in comms is expressing things in a way that everyone understands
15:37	benkay	failure in comms is ambiguity
15:37	ThickAsThieves	did realize what i said was so confusing...
15:37	ThickAsThieves	didnt*
15:37	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: do you have steam?
15:37	mircea_popescu	nope
15:37	thestringpuller	I'ma buy you the GTA complete pack
15:38	Scrat	boring conversation
15:38	Scrat	http://i.imgur.com/5nvlW.gif
15:38	truff1es	did not expect that at all
15:39	Scrat	(sfw)
15:39	truff1es	not
15:40	truff1es	if u linked it in -nsfw maybe expected
15:40	Scrat	I used to work close to the beach, would be sfw then
15:41	truff1es	not very many people fit into that, lifeguard?
15:43	Scrat	sadly no
15:52	jurov	folks, if there is anyone still interested in MPOE bonds passthrough or has workable ideas,
15:52	jurov	discuss here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131270.msg1968876#msg1968876
15:52	jurov	We have one month hiatus to come up with something.
15:52	dub	;;nethash
15:52	gribble	73971.4334572
15:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 378.21006095 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 75 satoshi per share
15:57	benkay	wowee
15:57	jurov	ooooook
15:58	mircea_popescu	that's it, one full year of dividends ftw.
16:01	jurov	;;calc 37821006095/500000000
16:01	gribble	75.64201219
16:03	jurov	why my fkn code insists on 39 satoshi?
16:03	mircea_popescu	jurov maybe an idea is to get a limited hedging involved.
16:03	mircea_popescu	as in, buy some options on the same package as the bond. maybe everyone buying shares gets to vote which way to go, calls or puts
16:04	mircea_popescu	course all this is becoming rather complicated.
16:04	jurov	and then vote when they should be sold/exercised.. yeah
16:05	jurov	(that was ironic yeah)
16:05	mircea_popescu	yeah i know...
16:06	ThickAsThieves	I wanted to do an options fund, but current pricing makes it seem like it'd most likely be a loser as well
16:06	jurov	i had some preliminary idea with smickles to have alternative bot
16:06	jurov	that could also hedge per option sold
16:06	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well listen you can't BOTH be losers.
16:06	jurov	but he's not around anymore
16:06	mircea_popescu	i am suspecting the bot is exactly right because everyone agrees price is making them lose money
16:07	ThickAsThieves	bot is def playing it smarter
16:07	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2551 BTC [+]
16:07	ThickAsThieves	but opportunity for profit for both bond holders and option buyers has been very minimized
16:07	mircea_popescu	no but let's run a model here. so, 1k btc bond.
16:08	mircea_popescu	if past data is any indication, say a 200% upswing or 60% downswing causes losses of about 25%
16:08	mircea_popescu	so then you need calls that will make 250 btc if price goes up 3x
16:08	mircea_popescu	and puts that make 250 btc if price goes down 60%
16:09	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
16:09	gribble	BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 132.10000, Best ask: 132.39998, Bid-ask spread: 0.29998, Last trade: 132.40000, 24 hour volume: 29432.97051216, 24 hour low: 126.01101, 24 hour high: 136.68000, 24 hour vwap: 132.09045
16:09	mircea_popescu	132*3
16:09	mircea_popescu	;;calc 132*3
16:09	gribble	396
16:09	mircea_popescu	O.USD.C302T for instance will make about .25 each if price goes there. so you need 100 these
16:09	ThickAsThieves	*could* happen...
16:09	mircea_popescu	i mean 1000 these
16:09	mircea_popescu	so they cost like 70 btc.
16:10	mircea_popescu	the call side cost to hedge the bond is then 7%
16:10	tiberiusiv	shut up mircea
16:10	mircea_popescu	(if these numbers are worth a shit at all)
16:10	tiberiusiv	youve lost enough bitcoins for people
16:10	tiberiusiv	nobody is going to lend your shitty bond fund more $
16:10	tiberiusiv	the options emporium will be dead within 2-3 more months
16:11	tiberiusiv	who is stupid enough to continue insuring against bitcoin price volatility
16:11	ThickAsThieves	problem is, the price is more likely to move maybe 50% upward, or 25% downward this month (very roughly speaking)
16:11	tiberiusiv	no shit
16:11	Scrat	lol ThickAsThieves
16:12	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so then sell short puts/calls
16:12	mircea_popescu	that'll make you money in that scenario
16:13	ThickAsThieves	i'm not interested in creating options
16:13	ThickAsThieves	too much risk ;)
16:13	ThickAsThieves	i want easy money obv
16:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26502 BTC [+]
16:14	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.265 BTC [-]
16:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.255 BTC [-]
16:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]
16:17	mircea_popescu	ya well, sometimes those curves meet
16:17	mircea_popescu	fear, greed, cleverness
16:20	KRS-1	thickasthieves what a good buy point ya think
16:20	KRS-1	i cashed out at $147 for the most part
16:21	ThickAsThieves	isnt that kinda q what bitc-anal channel is for?
16:22	ThickAsThieves	but to answer your question, i have bids lined up incrementally from 126ish downward
16:24	mircea_popescu	“Birchbox requested 300,000 units of a product for free; in return, they said that could offer a conservative purchase order of 400 units for that product if it was received well by their sampling audience.” Birchbox also requested a special sample size, which Ms. Chan would need to create, that would yield at least 3 uses of the product. After Ms. Chan negotiated with them, they lowered the amount of requested fre
16:24	mircea_popescu	e product to 75,000 and then to 50,000 units (for a more targeted customer base). Birchbox only wanted to pay for a purchase order of 400 units after receiving 50,000 units for free.
16:25	mircea_popescu	lmao. basically people think cheek equals business nao
16:25	KRS-1	Mircea is the owner and master of #bitcoin-anal, if he can find it in his good will, I would not mind being Curator of all culture anal that is also bitcoin.
16:26	KRS-1	Ya thanks for your insight, thats where I was but I pulled down to $110-$105 and $100 when I saw the rising wedge pattern.
16:26	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+]
16:27	mircea_popescu	wait what ?
16:27	ThickAsThieves	hehe
16:30	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you need a better forum avatar.
16:30	Scrat	me too
16:30	Scrat	too furry for my taste
16:30	mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134679696766.jpg
16:30	mircea_popescu	crop that for instance.
16:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.32 = 2.56 BTC [+]
16:38	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 59 @ 0.0163 = 0.9617 BTC [+]
16:39	KRS-1	I'd hit that
16:39	KRS-1	not my taste but damn
16:42	benkay	"big girls need love too"
16:45	jurov	lol i meant to have serious word with mpex staff, but was under impression they are not there
16:45	jurov	now i'm reading i sat practically next to the cto, martha
16:46	jurov	plus got blindsided by teh lawyer "we dun do english, it's unlike romanian"
16:47	mircea_popescu	jurov lol. he's not very english friendly
16:48	mircea_popescu	anyway, girl next to the lawyer is the cfo
16:48	mircea_popescu	money girl.
16:48	jurov	"and in the top pic right under me woman behind chair is martha mcculler, my cto" << so you accidentally a letter
16:49	jurov	oh there are wo women
16:49	ThickAsThieves	but who took the photos
16:49	ThickAsThieves	a slave?
16:49	jurov	ThickAsThieves: they have waitresses in romania, ya know
16:49	ThickAsThieves	pshaw
16:51	jurov	okay, nevermind
16:52	jurov	the lawyer was actually trying to do something in english. but then i mentioned german,and *then* he got derpy
16:54	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.1999 = 0.9995 BTC [+]
16:54	jurov	so i should prolly learn french, italian, romanian, or gypsy or whatever to be able to talk to mpex lawyer...
16:54	ThickAsThieves	heh, there's a my little pony called Derpy https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIF1scwXYZkmC1WaLxSZEq31VPMnkMGxnAjYuBhmtTBxcSt_VJ
16:56	jurov	mircea, tell him "te šukar čhavo" from me
16:56	assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [-]
16:57	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.30839 BTC [+]
16:58	mircea_popescu	lol
16:58	mircea_popescu	what do you need romanian lawyer for anyway ?
16:58	jurov	just in case
16:58	mircea_popescu	haha
16:59	assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.0165 = 0.0825 BTC [+]
17:00	tiberiusiv	;;bids 50
17:00	gribble	There are currently 161956.19 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 14094287.1966 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0093 seconds
17:00	mircea_popescu	jurov actually when i paid on saturday i left a tip saying "and this is for excellent photographic services" poiting at the little cute girl that took pics
17:00	mircea_popescu	and she got all blushed up
17:00	tiberiusiv	;;bids 200
17:00	gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 200.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 15.8877 seconds
17:00	tiberiusiv	;;asks 200
17:00	gribble	There are currently 77298.99 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 12819857.1188 USD in total. | Data vintage: 22.0946 seconds
17:00	tiberiusiv	;;asks 150
17:00	gribble	There are currently 20345.892 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 2904644.02498 USD in total. | Data vintage: 28.8253 seconds
17:00	mircea_popescu	this after me asking her if she knows about picture taking which i think she misunderstood as being asked whether she;'d like to pose for us
17:00	tiberiusiv	;;bids 120
17:00	gribble	There are currently 29728.823 bitcoins demanded at or over 120.0 USD, worth 3697689.88514 USD in total. | Data vintage: 37.0461 seconds
17:00	jurov	^^^ ThickAsThieves, you see: no slavery involved
17:02	ThickAsThieves	oh well
17:03	FabianB	jurov: so you're the one in dark clothes in front of mp?
17:05	jurov	no, mpoe-pr's knee points to me
17:06	ThickAsThieves	goatee and glasses?
17:06	ThickAsThieves	you look a LOT like my brother
17:07	jurov	no thanks. i have a doppelganger in my neighborhood already
17:07	jurov	actually i was waiting on a bus stop and got greeted "hi thomas.. uh.. it's you?"
17:07	ThickAsThieves	hehe
17:07	mircea_popescu	lol
17:09	mircea_popescu	i wonder how long it takes till everyone is identified
17:09	jurov	obv i never noticed him myself... prolly am not looking into mirror often enough
17:09	mircea_popescu	talking about benkay's eternal secrecy.
17:09	benkay	wat
17:09	mircea_popescu	apparently even posting pics takes > 1 week and even so it's mostly selfouting
17:09	benkay	watman
17:10	mircea_popescu	benkay conspiraci!
17:10	benkay	i hold that eternal secrecy is extremely difficult to enforce
17:10	mircea_popescu	well ya
17:10	benkay	but you have an edge in scale of conspiracy :)
17:10	benkay	big banks rig all of the things and it takes years for the proles to figure it out
17:10	benkay	but that's because proles
17:11	benkay	time to go bask in sun with wimmins
17:11	benkay	and dogs
17:11	benkay	later all
17:11	mircea_popescu	take pics
17:11	mircea_popescu	then we identify the dogs.
17:11	benkay	har
17:11	jurov	also, pigeons was there:
17:11	jurov	https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/923355_10151462244158710_569991901_n.jpg
17:15	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3079 BTC [-]
17:16	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3084 BTC [+]
17:17	ThickAsThieves	it would be fun to know which forum personalities were there and guess who was who
17:17	ThickAsThieves	i actually had guessed ccorrectly which was jurov
17:17	jurov	from the pigeons photo? congrats
17:18	ThickAsThieves	forum/irc
17:18	ThickAsThieves	no from the dinner photos
17:26	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu i need a better avatar??
17:26	kakobrekla	whats wrong with this one
17:26	mircea_popescu	well wtf is it
17:27	kakobrekla	seriously?
17:27	mircea_popescu	well not that seriously :D
17:27	kakobrekla	its from space odyssey 2001
17:28	kakobrekla	i just really like clarke
17:29	mircea_popescu	https://code.google.com/p/google-glass-kernel-source/
17:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00070741 = 24.0873 BTC [-]
17:33	kakobrekla	http://imgur.com/WxnxWDU
17:34	kakobrekla	lol bitstamp, email response after 12 days.
17:34	assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C140T] 240 @ 0.31992958 = 76.7831 BTC [+]
17:34	kakobrekla	they are acting all goxxy and shit
17:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3146 BTC [+]
17:36	KRS-1	looks like we heading down son
17:37	mircea_popescu	lmao insanely bleak advice
17:38	KRS-1	i mean up
17:38	KRS-1	lol
17:38	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
17:38	gribble	BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 133.51485, Best ask: 134.26987, Bid-ask spread: 0.75502, Last trade: 133.51484, 24 hour volume: 27266.58910626, 24 hour low: 126.51000, 24 hour high: 136.68000, 24 hour vwap: 132.73170
17:38	assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C170N] 24 @ 0.41105585 = 9.8653 BTC
17:39	mircea_popescu	!t m ^oix
17:39	assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 53.96737151 / 213.47292862 / 218.28703767 (419 shares, 115.18 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
17:39	mircea_popescu	well if you believe the oix...
17:39	KRS-1	and down i dont mean by a lot, its been $135/$136 I mean down by $132/$130 maybe
17:39	KRS-1	im just looking at what i can see from orders
17:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071 = 7.1 BTC [+]
17:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.000714 = 3.57 BTC [+]
17:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 921 @ 0.00071424 = 0.6578 BTC [+]
17:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1779 @ 0.00071432 = 1.2708 BTC [+]
17:46	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2801 BTC [-]
17:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 82000 @ 0.00175 = 143.5 BTC [+]
17:49	truff1es	<kakobrekla> http://imgur.com/WxnxWDU >>> good times
17:53	truff1es	http://imgur.com/r/WTF/IopePxm that one is just too much, how can he not notice!
17:58	tiberiusiv	;;bids 120
17:58	gribble	There are currently 28426.554 bitcoins demanded at or over 120.0 USD, worth 3530329.68514 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0108 seconds
18:06	dub	HOLD ON
18:07	mircea_popescu	SoulKhan do i know you from twitter ?
18:07	SoulKhan	idk
18:07	mircea_popescu	a kk.
18:07	dub	you know him from the streets
18:08	dub	and your jew rap roots
18:08	SoulKhan	serving up those lyrical treats :)
18:08	SoulKhan	lol
18:08	mircea_popescu	lolk
18:11	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2801 BTC [-]
18:11	jurov	kakobrekla, you fiddling with modes again? ThickAsThieves can't go in
18:12	kakobrekla	eh?
18:12	jurov	Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
18:16	ezdiy	jurov: romstina je neco jako stredoevropsky esperanto :)
18:18	jurov	a cestina svetovy jazyk :)
18:19	mircea_popescu	well why doesn't he register!
18:19	mircea_popescu	it's good for health
18:22	mjr___	hi all
18:23	jurov	mjr_ hi. have you seen latest reptilia's microeconomics lesson?
18:24	jurov	it caused me giggling attacks for several hours
18:24	peterl	hi mjr___
18:24	peterl	what did reprillia do?
18:25	mircea_popescu	jurov link ?
18:25	jurov	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.120;topicseen
18:25	jurov	his burn rate computations
18:26	jurov	lemme aim...
18:27	mircea_popescu	ty
18:27	jurov	whatever, just read it wohle carefully. seems everyone finds some different kind of utter ridiculousness there
18:28	jurov	I was operating at a peak $200k per month burnrate at that moment, so just out of curiosity I calculated, how large a stash of bitcoins would be needed, to keep up such a spending permanently.
18:28	mircea_popescu	we already had a round earlier, when he was inviting me goat and satoshi
18:28	ThickAsThieves	never had this ident problem before, if there's someone that can pm me to help set up mu mIRC properly, it'd be appreciated
18:28	jurov	yes, but i don't see anything about this burn rate theory
18:28	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you seem id'd now
18:29	kakobrekla	I have currently increased the size of my organisation, and reserved some prime resources (such as the most expensive by far hotel suite in Finland) for my exclusive use. My burn rate is currently about $200,000 per month if I continue at this level. It may sound like much, but measured hourly, it is a more understandable $278 (about 2,000mBTC). Since most of the resources are contracted at a daily rate (such as the hotel) or even hourly (
18:29	kakobrekla	what more do you want
18:29	kakobrekla	did it got cut?
18:29	ThickAsThieves	i thought i had it all in my settings already, but now i also need to know how to change my pass
18:29	ThickAsThieves	which doesnt seem to be in the options
18:29	kakobrekla	(most of the staff, taxi, etc.), I can adjust the burn rate in quick order if need be. I plan on spending at this rate until midnight (8.5 more hours), and keep the room till noon, tomorrow. After that my organisation will be readjusted at about $25 per hour (about 200mBTC).
18:29	jurov	yes. this should be teached in personal finance classes
18:30	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla roflmao
18:31	mjr___	lol, who is this guy?
18:31	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg1950796#msg1950796
18:31	kakobrekla	thar
18:31	mircea_popescu	mjr___ seems you're not on his invite list.
18:32	jurov	oh, and i forgot... shall we conspire to put ganjix on hisinvite list somehow?
18:33	jurov	maybe we can concoct something with wao
18:33	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2801 BTC [-]
18:34	mircea_popescu	jurov the part where he goes "I purposely omitted people not in this forum from the list." but then invites me is pretty cool.
18:35	jurov	also, phinnaeus and atlas would be prudent to have
18:35	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.19989 = 0.3998 BTC [-]
18:35	mircea_popescu	well then go for maria too
18:35	asciilifeform	can somebody enlighten me re: what's interesting about the rpietila clown? is there proof that even one of the things he's claimed is true?
18:36	assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [+]
18:36	kakobrekla	theres proof on facebook.
18:36	wao	hm?
18:36	asciilifeform	and has anyone checked the EXIF strings in his photos for interesting tidbits?
18:37	jurov	asciilifeform, it's not whether it is true, it's the epic ridiculousness of all and every detail
18:38	asciilifeform	to my untrained eye, he seems like a comedian trying to spoof MP
18:38	truff1es	sounds like you want to stalk him
18:38	mircea_popescu	why does everyone think he;'s trying to spoof me ?
18:38	asciilifeform	truffles: I don't believe the man exists as described
18:38	mircea_popescu	why not maxkeiser ? why not mega ?
18:38	mircea_popescu	why not whoever other bitcoin jezuz
18:39	truff1es	why couldnt he?
18:39	mircea_popescu	also : he deleted his post going "here is proof that at least 3 women attended" ?!
18:39	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the "BTC vampire billionaire" image
18:39	mircea_popescu	(of which one's the mother of the other two by the sour mouth)
18:41	asciilifeform	somebody intends to test the "pound of image is worth an once of performance" hypothesis
18:41	asciilifeform	*damn, reversed
18:41	jurov	lol
18:43	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 3 @ 0.00111 = 0.0033 BTC [-]
18:43	b0n1	who of you is coming here? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg1962101#msg1962101
18:45	assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 18 @ 0.0011 = 0.0198 BTC [-]
18:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that one ever worked in practice ?
18:45	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the bulk of the U.S. economy?
18:46	mircea_popescu	lol i am defeated
18:46	mjr___	hahaha
18:48	mircea_popescu	"We had the study of the hotel room dedicated to our dealing desk, which included precision scales, and storage containers for all kinds of valuables. EUR 50 (and below) notes will be weighted as well as the gold and silver, 100-500 notes are counted."
18:48	mircea_popescu	lmao what the fucking hell
18:48	mircea_popescu	The trading desk with computers and monitors was in the main bedroom, which was in rontus' command. I don't remember if we traded any, though.
18:48	jurov	there are tupperware containers with cash mentioned earlier
18:48	mircea_popescu	x.x
18:49	mircea_popescu	ok, i have just the thing for thisd
18:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4701 BTC [+]
18:50	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/UDUE6u7EZqE
18:50	mircea_popescu	this.
18:51	ThickAsThieves	ok i'm registered for real for real now, thank you jurov
18:52	kakobrekla	i dont understand what are they singing
18:53	mircea_popescu	right.
18:53	jurov	and i miss cash flying in air
18:53	kakobrekla	they gonna fuck that dude with a bannana?
18:54	mircea_popescu	you wish. perv.
18:54	mircea_popescu	anyway, he's an ex garbage entrepreneur
18:54	mircea_popescu	who sold his biz and wanted to start a stardom career.
18:54	mircea_popescu	that was pretty much his only vid.
18:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4601 BTC [-]
18:57	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: garbage entrepreneur? literally, like V. Putin?
18:58	mircea_popescu	literally as in he ran the city dump
18:58	mircea_popescu	in whatever small town
19:00	jurov	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8uRDLQNcI8 jeeeeeeeeeez go to 3:03
19:01	jurov	ganjix v2.0
19:02	jurov	can't believe aljazeera fell for his charms, too :DDD
19:04	mjr___	omg
19:04	mjr___	lol
19:06	mjr___	ugh, how did amir taaki get back in the spotlight?
19:07	kakobrekla	how could one forget him?
19:07	mjr___	and their text at the bottom is pretty wrong
19:07	mjr___	the creators and users of bitcoin are always anonymous
19:08	mjr___	my name is Josh Rossi and I use bitcoins...pretty easy to disprove
19:09	kakobrekla	"techology like bitcoin is like hospitals"
19:09	kakobrekla	i think that sums it up
19:09	mjr___	yeah
19:09	mjr___	we have charts graphs
19:09	mjr___	LOLZ
19:09	kakobrekla	lol
19:09	kakobrekla	we also have skateboards
19:09	mjr___	hahaha
19:10	mjr___	i'm not sure if he understands
19:10	kakobrekla	lol they blacklisted him
19:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.4601 = 6.9015 BTC [-]
19:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4601 = 2.3005 BTC [-]
19:11	kakobrekla	"bank closed my accounts" ...
19:11	mjr___	yeah
19:11	kakobrekla	good to say to attract new users
19:11	mjr___	i mean, the govt can tax bitcoin, bitcoin doesn't make tax impossible
19:12	mjr___	stateless; therefore cannot be taxed or frozen
19:12	mjr___	retarded...
19:12	ThickAsThieves	surprised they would take amir seriously, another embarassing bitcoin vid...
19:12	asciilifeform	mjr___: govt could proclaim a tax on taking a shit if it wanted to. collecting is another matter.
19:12	kakobrekla	omg
19:12	kakobrekla	this is getting worse and worse
19:12	mjr___	when everyone is sharing....
19:12	kakobrekla	srsly this and tux
19:12	kakobrekla	sell all your coins now!
19:13	ThickAsThieves	he has pimple juice on his hoodie
19:13	ThickAsThieves	pro
19:14	kakobrekla	fuck fuck
19:14	mjr___	did he just say let's bring money laundering to the common people
19:14	mjr___	wtf
19:15	kakobrekla	he is so fucked
19:15	error4733	what the name in english when you take acid and stay in your trip
19:15	jurov	will someone do a transcription? i don't understand him in person, not even on tube
19:16	kakobrekla	hopefuly its not available in html5 and mp will do it
19:18	mjr___	bitcoins website getting hacked LOL
19:18	mjr___	where is this website?
19:19	mircea_popescu	lmao
19:20	mjr___	if only there was a way to use escrow's with bitcoin LOL
19:20	mjr___	its like these people don't have computers or dont know how to use google
19:20	mjr___	when bitcoin was hacked on wednesday LOLZ
19:22	mircea_popescu	wtf is this
19:22	mjr___	OMG
19:22	mircea_popescu	is he 12 ?
19:22	kakobrekla	yes this is dog.
19:22	mjr___	its not a fucking utopian dream
19:22	KRS-1	"bitcoin" was hacked wednesday?
19:22	mjr___	its just a free market
19:24	mjr___	what about people who can't read source code
19:26	mjr___	i have to say, for all its tons of misinformation, they actually seem like they want to understand
19:26	mjr___	just need a smarter person explaining it
19:27	kakobrekla	at least the hugo guy is making some sense
19:27	asciilifeform	mjr___: what about people who can't... read. evil discrimination11!1, etc
19:28	mircea_popescu	KRS-1 i will gladly hack bitcoin on wednesday for a hamburger today.
19:29	KRS-1	usually i charge a bj but a burger will do on a sunday
19:29	KRS-1	wtf is that thing on taaki's head
19:30	kakobrekla	he missed a spot shaving
19:30	mircea_popescu	such a chav,
19:30	mircea_popescu	aaanyway.
19:30	KRS-1	lol
19:31	mircea_popescu	@DRUDGE_REPORT 30m SHOCK POLL: Americans fear government more than terror.
19:31	mircea_popescu	what's so shocking about that.
19:31	KRS-1	oh wow that was a popeye reference..woa..long time
19:31	KRS-1	yeah, people here in the states are very reprehensive about our government. I heard that our Homeland Security department has been hording up ammunition..makes you wonder why them?
19:32	mircea_popescu	lol.
19:32	mircea_popescu	took you a minute.
19:32	dub	someone please shoot amir in th eface
19:32	KRS-1	How are things in Romania? I have been thinking of an exit strategy for years. Germany keeps coming to mind.
19:32	dub	do it now
19:32	dub	I want him to die
19:33	ThickAsThieves	but gutterpunks are so charming
19:33	ThickAsThieves	i feel wrong judging him superficially, but it's not like his words helped
19:33	mircea_popescu	KRS-1 i'd say things are okay in romania.
19:34	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves don't worry, we've been judging him unsuperficially for years.
19:34	mircea_popescu	it's just that in some cases what's deep down is equal with what's skin deep
19:34	mircea_popescu	mostly because there's nothing there.
19:36	mircea_popescu	(Pls somebody sell us more Goxmoney, we are out, we can pay intl wire in 2 days, spot-3%!!)
19:36	KRS-1	From what I understand gazpacho is more or less the national soup of Romania. Is this true?
19:36	mircea_popescu	wait, so the great supernode is out of cash burnrate of 200k a year for the next 8.5 hours ?
19:36	mircea_popescu	KRS-1 perfectly untrue.
19:36	kakobrekla	:DD
19:36	KRS-1	Amazing the strange views we have of other countries.
19:37	mircea_popescu	there's tripe soup, a chicken and homemade noodle-like thing soup and others that are popular.
19:37	mircea_popescu	gazpacho is spanish
19:37	KRS-1	oh thought that was russian
19:38	mircea_popescu	nope.
19:38	KRS-1	I just read the wiki on Romanian cuisine, I think the only thing I would like is the plum brandy.
19:38	mircea_popescu	haha. yeah, people liked it.
19:38	KRS-1	Eggplant is ok
19:38	mircea_popescu	trust me, you'll like anything.
19:40	KRS-1	Hmm..probably, it just sounds so different than whatever I've been used to eating. I have a pretty open mind approaching different cuisines. The only one I could never like is Indian food.
19:40	KRS-1	I'd definately do well in Japan- I love sushi/sashimi, although they eat some pretty weird stuff over there. If I ever have to leave the U.S.A., Japan is on the radar for me also.
19:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.4623 = 2.7738 BTC [+]
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19:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
19:41	KRS-1	Plus the young girls there have the Hello Kitty thing going on over there, so cute.
19:41	mircea_popescu	once you leave the us you suddenly discover what soert of shit you;'ve been eating
19:41	KRS-1	lol probably..as the years go on, I notice the food has gotten much worse. Many consider us the "bread basket" of the world too..eh.
19:42	KRS-1	Our "fast food" is the worst.
19:42	mircea_popescu	yeah it's pretty bad.
19:42	mircea_popescu	and yeah i imagine it;'s getting worse.
19:43	orkaa	at least you have fastfood
19:43	KRS-1	From what I understand lately they inject beef with dyes to appear red, not only that our livestock is cloned and drugged with all kinds of chemicals..you can actually taste the difference between real meat.
19:43	KRS-1	It doesnt even cook right.
19:43	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: eating shit is a strictly-voluntary business, even in the U.S. - at least, right now.
19:43	orkaa	if i went out this moment, i would only have 2 options
19:43	orkaa	burek and kebab
19:43	orkaa	ok, and pizza slices
19:43	KRS-1	Where are you orkaa?
19:43	KRS-1	I could live on Pizza
19:43	orkaa	ljubljana, slovenia
19:43	kakobrekla	somalia
19:43	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not if you've never been out and dunno what food is.
19:43	kakobrekla	meh
19:44	KRS-1	Slovenia is NOT Somalia
19:44	dub	nobody considers america the bread basket of the world
19:44	KRS-1	right?
19:44	kakobrekla	not sure
19:44	KRS-1	lol
19:45	mircea_popescu	somalia has better food, slovenia better looking women
19:45	KRS-1	sorry- you are right, "its been said" that America is the bread basket of N. America
19:45	mircea_popescu	this because starvation after the age of 12 or so is actually beneficial.
19:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.46220001 = 0.9244 BTC [+]
19:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4599 BTC [-]
19:47	KRS-1	So, if I were to flee 1) Germany 2) Japan 3) Australia? Any other suggestions or does this seem like a pretty decent list?
19:47	kakobrekla	1 2 and 3 are all bad
19:47	KRS-1	damn
19:47	KRS-1	my view of the world is fsked
19:47	orkaa	germany is ok if you pick berlin
19:47	dub	yes, terrible choices
19:47	ThickAsThieves	i'd like to visit switzerland
19:48	KRS-1	seriously..in terms of national security and prosperity?
19:48	asciilifeform	KRS-1: it makes a difference exactly what you're running away from.
19:48	dub	australia is probably the best of that lot
19:48	dub	but populated entirely by criminals
19:48	troc	what would you be fleeing from ? or do you mean emigrate ?
19:48	orkaa	dub, i'd rather pick germany
19:48	mircea_popescu	ya srlsy.
19:49	mircea_popescu	you must go to finland and stay in the supernode
19:49	orkaa	finland has no sun
19:49	mircea_popescu	it doesn't need it
19:49	mircea_popescu	it has a burn rate.
19:49	KRS-1	lately there is a growing fear that we're in serious debt to China and they are asking that civilians be disarmed. Our Homeland Security department is hording ammunition (Who in the hell are they going to use it against except us?).. Much doubt about our currency..security..
19:49	dub	germany has germans which are only tolerable in small doses
19:49	KRS-1	I think we've become the fat pig that can't even breathe under our own weight.
19:50	mircea_popescu	KRS-1 just go travelling about the world, see where you like it.
19:50	dub	japan is just completely fucked
19:50	mircea_popescu	dub the problem is the germanettes. more like manatees
19:50	KRS-1	mp: Thats good advice..hmm.
19:50	mjr___	http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2013/04/20134572639241668.html
19:50	mjr___	http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2013/04/20134572639241668.html#comment-878882931
19:50	mjr___	there is my comment
19:51	mjr___	why are people so retarded?
19:51	mjr___	Australia looks like a great place to live nowadays
19:52	mjr___	saw the best comparison of their gun control vs ours
19:52	mjr___	people have to be willfully ignorant to not see that you CAN make people safer
19:52	KRS-1	mjr: thats what i understand
19:53	KRS-1	I dont want to give up my firearms though
19:53	KRS-1	I have some nice weapons.
19:53	KRS-1	My fav is the Ruger SP-101 .357 Magnum
19:53	kakobrekla	i thought all you need to do is ban violent games
19:54	asciilifeform	I never understood why people brag about their boomsticks on the Net. Why would you want to shout for a priority seat in the gasenwagen?
19:54	dub	A really excellent discussion of bitcoin. Amir is an articulate, passionate advocate...
19:54	dub	what the everloving fuck
19:54	mjr___	LOL
19:54	dub	comment below yours
19:54	mjr___	i know i saw it
19:54	mjr___	hilarious
19:55	mjr___	how did that woman know amir's name? he's anonymous obvs
19:55	mircea_popescu	ajhahaha
19:55	mircea_popescu	ok, best line of the day.
19:55	mjr___	YAY
19:55	mjr___	srsly, retards
19:56	mircea_popescu	"how did that woman know amir's name? he's anonymous obviously!"
19:56	mircea_popescu	bweahaha
19:57	mjr___	how could they write that? did no one say, "wait, i know his name!"
19:57	mircea_popescu	meanwhile in other-retard-venue (ie http://www.cnbc.com/id/100675118 )
19:57	mircea_popescu	"Bitcoin likely has a long way to go before regulators step in and start controlling the market, and once it does get there it may not be for the right reasons. "
19:57	mircea_popescu	right. because it's clear and established that anyone gives a shit about "Regulators"
19:57	mircea_popescu	and they speak english rathert tyhan chinese
19:57	mircea_popescu	and so forth.
19:58	mjr___	lolz
19:58	mjr___	i'm glad that their stupidity has crystalized my new heuristic
19:58	mjr___	whatever you are about to say, replace "bitcoin" with "dollar", do you sound retarded? If yes, don't say what you were about to say
19:59	mjr___	where is the website for the US Dollar?
19:59	mjr___	has the dollar been hacked?
19:59	mjr___	people use dollars for illegal transactions
20:00	mircea_popescu	yes. once done with that, replace bitcoin with math
20:00	mjr___	also good
20:00	mircea_popescu	then, "naked teenager chicks"
20:00	mircea_popescu	then, dodd frank
20:00	mircea_popescu	if it passes all these tests you may say it.
20:00	mjr___	hahaha
20:00	mjr___	that may be too advanced for them
20:01	mircea_popescu	has dodd frank hacked the math yet ?
20:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.275 BTC [-]
20:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4745 @ 0.00071432 = 3.3894 BTC [+]
20:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 905 @ 0.00071588 = 0.6479 BTC [+]
20:03	assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.27 = 21.59 BTC [-]
20:04	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you should invest in YCombinator
20:04	thestringpuller	give Paul Graham some mo ney
20:07	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu mircea_popescu mircea_popescu
20:07	thestringpuller	dub dub dub wub wub wub
20:07	thestringpuller	wub wub wub wub dub dub dub
20:07	thestringpuller	dub step
20:15	KRS-1	mp: wait what
20:15	KRS-1	naked teenager chicks..
20:16	KRS-1	you have that in Romania no
20:16	KRS-1	do you like skrillex? my fav song is voltage
20:17	truff1es	i cant find the soundtrack of this series
20:18	mjr___	i heard some skrillex at "heaven" in romania :)
20:19	truff1es	its like they dont want to make money off the soundtrack :(
20:20	kakobrekla	if heaven has asses like dat, imma go baptize myself rite nao
20:21	dub	thestringpuller: wtf
20:21	dub	that is the second time in 48 hours I've been highlighted with almost the same string
20:21	thestringpuller	dub wub dub wub dub wub dub
20:22	thestringpuller	you need a business partner with the handle wub
20:22	thestringpuller	FOR MY AMUSEMENT!
20:22	dub	has dubstep just landed in murica or something?
20:22	kakobrekla	take a chill pill thestringpuller
20:22	thestringpuller	it's what all the cool kids listen to
20:22	thestringpuller	I like to make fun of it
20:22	truff1es	dub step sure takes an appreciation
20:22	dub	the rest of the world has already relegated it to the tradpit
20:22	dub	tardpit
20:23	dub	its normal for the cool kids in murica to lag behind by a few years
20:23	mircea_popescu	whats skrillex ?
20:23	kakobrekla	dunno, some song or artist id guess
20:23	dub	skrillex is approx the worst music producer of all time
20:23	mircea_popescu	a ok
20:24	truff1es	haters gonna hate
20:25	KRS-1	skrillex is like the godfather of dubstep although some would dispute that
20:25	dub	he is nothing like that
20:25	KRS-1	no?
20:25	dub	no
20:25	mircea_popescu	dub knows his step
20:26	KRS-1	this is my fav song by skrillex- the video is kind of moving too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbsus0o0Muk
20:26	truff1es	SKRILLEX - Scary Monsters And Nice Sprites in enjoy that one
20:26	KRS-1	dub: what would you say skrillex is to dubstep then?
20:26	mjr___	lol, skrillex is in no way whatsoever the godfather of dubstep
20:26	mjr___	'he is an artist producing dubstep music
20:27	dub	skrillex scooped up the turd that the godfathers of dubstep left behind when they woke up from teh ketamine hole they had been in when they came up with it
20:27	mjr___	you could also say, one of the most popular current dubstep artists
20:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00071 = 0.6745 BTC [-]
20:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11106 @ 0.00070673 = 7.8489 BTC [-]
20:27	KRS-1	my bad then..thanks for letting me know. I'll have to read up a bit
20:27	KRS-1	at any rate he produces some badass music
20:27	dub	s/ass//
20:27	mjr___	ugh, the #bitcoin-nyc channel is already created
20:28	KRS-1	mjr: most popular thats probably what I should have said
20:28	mjr___	the fact that no one is in it, sucks
20:28	mjr___	i would like to use that chan, but i want to moderate...
20:28	mircea_popescu	mjr___ nyc is kind of marginal i guess :D
20:28	mjr___	#bitcoin-timisoara ?
20:28	mircea_popescu	you can prolly moderate that
20:28	dub	KRS-1: like most music fads its popularity is a wedge
20:29	orkaa	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6WJYe6n-l8
20:29	mjr___	i was going to use it for listing trades at the open air exchange
20:29	orkaa	this is one of the old tunes
20:29	mjr___	also thinking about maybe a twitter feed
20:29	kakobrekla	what open air exchage
20:30	KRS-1	Skrillex- Bangarang and Kyoto are imo the other best songs he did
20:30	mjr___	i plan on going to union square park
20:30	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla he wants to trade gypsies for moonshine
20:30	mjr___	and market making
20:30	truff1es	<KRS-1> voltage pretty cool too, nostalgia..
20:30	KRS-1	dub: yes and I'm thankful for the addition to our modern music..some of it is pretty good actually.
20:30	dub	how can you call somethign that is two weeks old nostalgic
20:31	mjr___	i figure, if everyone knows that between 4pm and 6pm monday through friday, you can buy or sell bitcoins at one location
20:31	KRS-1	dub: it might be two weeks old to you =) its been around
20:31	mjr___	it will bring liquidity to the market
20:31	mjr___	what do you guys think?
20:31	KRS-1	that fat dude in the bangarang video is a trip
20:31	KRS-1	mjr: not a bad idea at all
20:31	KRS-1	U might be onto something
20:31	kakobrekla	mjr___ local bitcoins?
20:31	mjr___	i will set the spread
20:32	kakobrekla	dot com
20:32	mjr___	localbitcoins is nice
20:32	mjr___	i used it
20:32	mjr___	but the problem is that you have to coordinate times
20:32	mjr___	and locations
20:32	mjr___	which can be a pain
20:32	mjr___	i have a few other people who want to hang out in the park and trade and set markets
20:32	dub	dubstep is the retarded cousin of dnb
20:32	mjr___	it sounds like someone is torturing computers...and i like it
20:33	mjr___	mircea_popescu: what do you think of this idea?
20:33	dub	it was concieved purely to make terrible dj's look better and so fat people won't look as out of place ont he dancefloow
20:33	truff1es	<dub> how can you call somethign that is two weeks old nostalgic >>> the feeling you get when you hear a really cool song
20:33	mircea_popescu	i think it sound s a lot like how gay subculture got started :D
20:33	mjr___	well...that seems to have taken off pretty well, not a bad model
20:34	mjr___	bitcoin eye for the straight guy
20:34	mjr___	i can live with that
20:34	mircea_popescu	anyway. grand central station.
20:34	kakobrekla	watch out that you dont get robbed
20:34	mjr___	you think grand central is better?
20:34	mjr___	yes, that is why i would be in the park
20:34	mjr___	police officers
20:34	mjr___	probably a webcam of union square park
20:35	mircea_popescu	i just thought it's much quicker.
20:35	mjr___	its my favorite area of NYC, and my office is a block away
20:35	mjr___	not to mention the weather is going to be great
20:35	mjr___	i figure i can make a decent amount of cash just market making
20:35	mjr___	and by cash i mean bitcoins
20:35	orkaa	parks are great for buying drugs so bitcoin should work too.. :)
20:36	mircea_popescu	can't hurt.
20:36	mjr___	union square can be tough for buying drugs
20:36	mjr___	in fact, most people just call their dealers...hard to find a vendor with a location LOL
20:37	mjr___	i was brokering a $20,000 bitcoin buy today
20:37	mjr___	hard to get coins quick
20:37	kakobrekla	where did you buy
20:37	mjr___	some guy is buying 10,000 chips from avalon
20:37	mjr___	and needs like 150 btc for his portion
20:37	mjr___	locally
20:37	mjr___	i didn't buy
20:37	mjr___	i just brokered
20:38	mjr___	deal isn't done yet
20:38	mjr___	but he paid like 148 per
20:38	mjr___	or around there
20:38	mjr___	think he needs another 50 coins tomorrow
20:38	mjr___	so, and this is pretty hilarious, i'm gonna sell yifu's coins to him, so he can pay yifu
20:39	mjr___	finally starting to get a good bitcoin sub-culture in nyc
20:39	tiberiusiv	;;bids 120
20:39	gribble	There are currently 28719.462 bitcoins demanded at or over 120.0 USD, worth 3571691.25347 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0060 seconds
20:39	mjr___	there are like almost 100 people in the facebook group bitcoinnyc
20:39	mjr___	and i hung out at EVR last night
20:39	kakobrekla	nice mjr___, must be all cognac and cigars over there
20:39	mjr___	charlie shrem's spot where they accept bitcoins
20:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 17 @ 0.4649 = 7.9033 BTC [+]
20:40	mjr___	lol, just jameson for me
20:40	mjr___	and cigarettes lol
20:40	tiberiusiv	well you are poor
20:40	mjr___	i'm more of a jameson and cigarettes guy than a cognac and cigars guy
20:40	tiberiusiv	surprised you were even allowed in
20:40	Diablo-D3	[08:37:32] <mjr___> some guy is buying 10,000 chips from avalon
20:40	dub	nothign wrong with jameson
20:40	dub	for cooking etc
20:40	Diablo-D3	thats HOW many ghash?
20:40	mjr___	hmmm
20:41	mjr___	think its 282 mh per chip
20:41	mjr___	10,000 is the minimum to buy
20:41	mjr___	and i think they've sold quite a few batches
20:41	mjr___	diff futures?
20:41	dub	seems like it
20:41	Diablo-D3	;;calc 10000 * 282 / 1000 / 1000
20:41	gribble	2.82
20:41	Diablo-D3	2.82 TH? lawls.
20:41	mjr___	yeah
20:41	mjr___	that is quite a bit
20:42	mjr___	how long to generate 780 btc with 2 terrahashes
20:42	dub	;;genrate 2000000
20:42	gribble	The expected generation output, at 2000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 112.077095651 BTC per day and 4.66987898546 BTC per hour.
20:42	Diablo-D3	;;calc 2820000
20:42	gribble	2820000
20:42	Diablo-D3	er
20:42	Diablo-D3	;;genrate 282000
20:42	gribble	The expected generation output, at 282000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 15.8028704868 BTC per day and 0.65845293695 BTC per hour.
20:42	Diablo-D3	;;genrate 2820000
20:42	gribble	The expected generation output, at 2820000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 158.028704868 BTC per day and 6.5845293695 BTC per hour.
20:42	Diablo-D3	;;calc 780 / 158
20:42	gribble	4.93670886076
20:42	Diablo-D3	4.9 days
20:42	Diablo-D3	though remember, those chips are only half the cost
20:42	mjr___	of course
20:43	Diablo-D3	still have to fab the boards and mount components
20:43	Diablo-D3	also
20:43	kakobrekla	the biggest cost is time
20:43	mjr___	yep, he has electrical engineers etc
20:43	Diablo-D3	it was what 800 watts for 68gh?
20:43	mjr___	yep
20:43	mjr___	i'm not even sure what his end goal is
20:43	Diablo-D3	;;calc 2820 / 68 * 800
20:43	gribble	33176.4705882
20:43	mjr___	sell mining rigs? mine all himself?
20:44	Diablo-D3	33kw
20:44	truff1es	<KRS-1> Skrillex- Bangarang and Kyoto are imo the other best songs >>> really enjoyed these *dances*
20:44	kakobrekla	mjr___ simple, mine while diff low and sell the hardware then
20:44	KRS-1	lol I'm more of a domestic beer, maybe southern comfort and cigarettes kind of guy..the country boy in me
20:44	Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: heh, Im even questioning my purchase of these asicminer blades
20:44	Diablo-D3	I may pull out of the bidding
20:45	kakobrekla	then what, dmc 6.0?
20:45	Diablo-D3	hurr
20:45	Diablo-D3	Im buying these for my private ownership
20:45	kakobrekla	a ok
20:45	Diablo-D3	I currently still have an active bid for 8 of them at 32 BTC each
20:46	kakobrekla	oh since when do you have that kind of money :)
20:46	KRS-1	truff1es: glad you like..thats what I like most about IRC, getting turned onto something that I would not have otherwise come across.
20:47	Diablo-D3	I sold 371 of my asicminer shares
20:47	mjr___	is there news on the asicminer front?
20:47	mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 explain to me your reasoning there.
20:47	mircea_popescu	they will make maybe half a btc a day, if diff stays put
20:47	Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: out of 1371.
20:47	mircea_popescu	no, blades at 32
20:48	Diablo-D3	oh
20:48	Diablo-D3	;;genrate 10000
20:48	gribble	The expected generation output, at 10000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 8974296.01489, is 0.560385478255 BTC per day and 0.0233493949273 BTC per hour.
20:48	Diablo-D3	;;calc 32 / 0.56
20:48	gribble	57.1428571429
20:48	Diablo-D3	two months IF diff stays put
20:48	Diablo-D3	however that translates closer to a year since BFL apparently _is_ shipping
20:48	mircea_popescu	right.
20:48	mircea_popescu	so what sense does that make.
20:48	Diablo-D3	its closer to a year.
20:49	truff1es	KRS-1 do you like Blue Foundation - Eyes On Fire?`
20:49	Diablo-D3	thats what the difficulty projections are saying
20:49	mircea_popescu	and you won.t even get .5, seeing how next diff is +12%
20:49	thestringpuller	;;bc,stats
20:49	mircea_popescu	in like 50 blocks or w/e
20:49	gribble	Current Blocks: 233657 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 198 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 18 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10010787.9429 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.54956
20:49	thestringpuller	HOLY FUCKING SHIT
20:49	mircea_popescu	whoa the 10mn is crossed!
20:49	kakobrekla	ha
20:50	Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: Im not sure if I want to sit on that hardware for an entire year
20:50	kakobrekla	hehe
20:50	thestringpuller	Dude june futures would have made a killing back in March
20:50	thestringpuller	FUCK
20:50	mircea_popescu	iiincredible
20:50	dub	;;nethash
20:50	gribble	74111.2050128
20:50	Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: I'd be better off waiting for a 28nm product.
20:50	mircea_popescu	i guess so.
20:50	KRS-1	ah closer tolerances is higher heat
20:51	KRS-1	anyone know if the 51% attack on litecoin is for real or not
20:51	mjr___	Butterfly lab for now have the most complete package when talking about power and power consumption <-----LOL
20:51	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: who cares, its litecoin
20:51	ThickAsThieves	only the attckers would know
20:51	KRS-1	true..but i'm interested, I dont care if its bitcoin, buttcoin, or fuckcoin, if it makes me a buck I'd like to try it.
20:52	KRS-1	heh
20:52	kakobrekla	wait the point of this is to make a buck?
20:52	kakobrekla	:\
20:52	tiberiusiv	for the losers yes
20:53	mjr___	Diablo-D3: i hope to see a 28nm process chip soon
20:53	KRS-1	we all have our own interests, whatever turns our crank, namean? I don't think it necessarily makes you a loser if you are not part of the elite or mainstream.
20:53	mjr___	that is correct however, as of right now, i don't think BFL consumes any power!
20:54	mjr___	super efficient
20:54	kakobrekla	but i thought bitcoin is like hospital
20:54	kakobrekla	dunno
20:56	mjr___	hahaha
20:57	mjr___	srsly though, if any of these reporters were doing a research project for a freshman high school class, they would fail
20:57	mjr___	they can't take the time to plagiarize?
20:58	Diablo-D3	mjr___: 28/32 might be coming sometime next year.
20:58	KRS-1	thats sick..never thought i'd see that day
20:59	KRS-1	they say we'd eventually come down to tolerances close to the size of atoms, although not smaller than an electron, we might have to move to photons or something, although i think photons are bigger than electrons
21:00	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: you're conceptualizing it wrong
21:00	KRS-1	:/
21:00	Diablo-D3	carbon nanotubes can get us below 5nm
21:02	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: btw no
21:02	Diablo-D3	photons may not have any physical size at all
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21:02	KRS-1	but they have mass no?
21:02	KRS-1	only very slight
21:02	KRS-1	do you think the future of computing is light
21:03	KRS-1	im not so sure rly
21:03	Diablo-D3	intel is already experimenting with in chip light pipes
21:03	Diablo-D3	and no, photons have no mass
21:03	KRS-1	if so we can exploit some advantages of using quantum mechanics
21:03	Diablo-D3	although you'd have to figure out how to measure the rest mass of a photon
21:03	KRS-1	thats what i was thinking
21:04	KRS-1	some very exciting things are happening with light and quantum mechanics
21:04	KRS-1	i was blown away when i learned about entanglement
21:04	Diablo-D3	anyhow, the size of an electron is about 3 fermi
21:05	KRS-1	entanglement showed us that the primary rules of physics are secondary to entanglements..distance and time don't matter
21:05	tiberiusiv	why the fuck arent people in here outraged at mirceas second massive monthly loss
21:05	Diablo-D3	photons are around half a fermi
21:06	Diablo-D3	also Im lagging badly, wow
21:06	mircea_popescu	photons havce no rest mass
21:06	mircea_popescu	they have energy-mass if threy move
21:06	KRS-1	ah there we go...so photons do have a size but no mass- that makes much more sense.
21:06	Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: traditionally this is considered true
21:06	mircea_popescu	but yes, they probably don't have a size in the classical sense
21:06	Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: it has not been experimentally been proven
21:06	Diablo-D3	but its most likely true
21:06	KRS-1	they're maybe "in between" mass and energy then..since mass IS energy and vice versa
21:06	mircea_popescu	right.
21:06	Diablo-D3	otherwise physics would get very weird
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21:07	KRS-1	physics does get very weird in the quantums.
21:07	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: well, it has no mass because it moves at the speed of light </high school physics knowledge rape>
21:07	KRS-1	right
21:07	Diablo-D3	it DOES however have a limit of how close you can get to it
21:07	KRS-1	anyway the future of computing must involve these principles at some point unless we will enter dark ages..no significant discoveries..that would be sad.
21:08	KRS-1	that is where i think we will be going when moores law doesnt apply anymore.
21:08	truff1es	back to this subject again,quantum computing is far off in the future dont worry
21:08	mjr___	not quantum in this convo
21:08	thestringpuller	no quantum computing exists!
21:08	thestringpuller	it's secret
21:08	thestringpuller	super secret
21:08	KRS-1	they're using quantum computing for encryption atm
21:08	thestringpuller	BUT I'VE SEEN'T IT
21:08	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: since quantum space is quantized, we know what the grid size for photons are
21:08	mjr___	and yes quantum computing does exist right now... they've gotten 7 qubits
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21:08	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: its about half a fermi
21:09	KRS-1	diablo: amazing..you my friend are very well informed.
21:09	mjr___	they were talking about smaller and smaller processes for chips
21:09	mjr___	but still traditional chips
21:09	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: now the thing is, its not the size of the particle but the size of the pipe
21:09	KRS-1	lol thats what SHE said
21:09	truff1es	haha
21:09	KRS-1	but yea..thats the hard part.
21:09	Diablo-D3	we're reaching the limits of ultraviolet lithography techniques
21:09	KRS-1	and managing the heat
21:10	mjr___	that is the hardest thing about bitcoin mining
21:10	KRS-1	which is the printing board for cpu's right?
21:10	truff1es	size hard heating
21:10	truff1es	what is this
21:10	mjr___	is that the entire chip is being used, and most chips rely on the fact that some parts can cool while others are hot
21:10	KRS-1	they must be massive on the actual design boards
21:10	KRS-1	before being shrunk
21:10	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: its not really a board, its a very thin wafer
21:12	KRS-1	thats where the chip design is actually carved out? I thought it was on these big chalk board looking things that are shrunk to the wafers before the lithography
21:12	KRS-1	anyway i'll read up on it- thanks!
21:12	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: with current lithography techniques, chemical polishing, and the other processes used to make these chips
21:12	Diablo-D3	you can get down to 14nm
21:12	KRS-1	oof ..wow.
21:12	Diablo-D3	below that, quantum tunneling becomes an issue
21:12	KRS-1	thats where the electrons dont know which path to take or whatnot
21:12	KRS-1	or actually split
21:13	Diablo-D3	well, its where they can jump right through material
21:13	KRS-1	amazing
21:13	taub	http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/bitcoin-dealers-grappling-with-big-banks-and-murky-financial-rules-1.1257645?utm_source=feedly
21:13	Diablo-D3	electrons in normal chips could jump 15nm
21:13	KRS-1	not sure if the future is indeed bright or if we will eventually lead to a dark age where there is minimal discovery..that kind of bothers me, because we're only improving but not changing
21:13	Diablo-D3	so if you're designing these you end up with much larger gaps between the features
21:14	Diablo-D3	btw, I mean 15nm in silicon.
21:14	Diablo-D3	just to make that clear.
21:14	KRS-1	right
21:14	KRS-1	perhaps a new novel material
21:14	KRS-1	probably carbon
21:14	Diablo-D3	well
21:14	Diablo-D3	also, intel is finishing construction on their 14nm facility in arizona
21:15	Diablo-D3	infact, it might already be done
21:15	Diablo-D3	they'll be shipping 14nm products mid 2014 from what I understand
21:15	KRS-1	who is right behind them or are they head and shoulders above the competition?
21:15	mjr___	lol
21:15	mjr___	nobody
21:15	mjr___	amd?
21:15	KRS-1	no not amd lol
21:15	Diablo-D3	nobody
21:15	Diablo-D3	and AMD doesnt fab chips
21:15	KRS-1	craziness
21:15	Diablo-D3	they split their fab division off as GloFo
21:15	mjr___	amd does design though don't they?
21:15	KRS-1	yea i heard that, but they once did i believe
21:16	Diablo-D3	mjr___: yes, but they stick with proven technologies
21:16	mjr___	yes
21:16	Diablo-D3	which is why they're at 32nm now
21:16	mjr___	diablo why does nvidia suck at mining?
21:16	Diablo-D3	they refuse to optimize for integer performance
21:17	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: now, samsung, hynix, and toshiba fab chips too
21:17	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: they're already working on 14nm processes
21:17	joecool	Diablo-D3: quantum tunnelling will be more of an issue at the 10nm process level
21:18	Diablo-D3	joecool: I said 14nm is as small as we get because of it
21:18	truff1es	<taub> http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/bitcoin-dealers-grappling-with-big-banks-and-murky-financial-rules-1.1257645?utm_source=feedly >>> sounds like will soon be like a bitcoin24 problem
21:19	Diablo-D3	joecool: it becomes impossible to design chips at 10nm
21:20	Diablo-D3	using existing HSQ and MSQ polymer dielectrics on silicon.
21:20	mjr___	Diablo-D3: do you think you could implement the sha-256 algo in a way that would be efficient for nvidia?
21:20	Diablo-D3	mjr___: no. and my kernel already implements it as efficient as possible.
21:20	Diablo-D3	mjr___: radeons execute integer add, xor, and rot in a single cycle
21:21	KRS-1	I dont know much about hynix and toshiba but I bet samsung is doing cool stuff. Hehe thinking back, I was a very big fan of Motorola.
21:21	Diablo-D3	nvidia does not do ANY of those in a single cycle
21:21	joecool	Diablo-D3: actually intel claimed they might skip 10nm and go to 8nm
21:21	mjr___	nice
21:21	Diablo-D3	and rotate is more expensive than add and xor on nvidia
21:21	mjr___	i see
21:21	Diablo-D3	joecool: 8nm is the half node size for 10 iirc, so its the same shit anyhow
21:21	mjr___	Diablo-D3: i think eventually we will need to use a larger bus, serial is a bottleneck
21:22	mjr___	you take 256 clock cycles just to get the hash in over a serial bus
21:23	mjr___	and with pipelining, the best you can hope for is one double hash per clock cycle
21:23	thestringpuller	WHY AREn'T YOU PEOPLE WATCHING GAME OF THRONES?
21:23	Diablo-D3	thats not an issue I have to care about
21:23	KRS-1	lol never even heard abou tit
21:23	KRS-1	but Diablo's got me glued
21:23	Diablo-D3	mjr___: and btw, I only upload the kernel arguments once every 2**32 hashes
21:23	Diablo-D3	mjr___: and the CUs set up the arguments as shared registers for the entire work group
21:24	mjr___	that is pretty cool
21:24	Diablo-D3	well, 2**32 if I use -f small-enough-number
21:24	Diablo-D3	but you get what I mean
21:24	Diablo-D3	its very infrequent
21:24	mjr___	right now we are working on a virtex 6 design
21:24	Diablo-D3	SO ANYHOW
21:24	mjr___	so it has a massive amount of block ram
21:25	Diablo-D3	IBM has produced a cabon nanotube transitor
21:25	KRS-1	thats craziness in itself..
21:25	KRS-1	that could take us off on a completely different tangent
21:25	KRS-1	nano=extremely small + billions of transistors = CPU no?
21:26	Diablo-D3	and some research team from Korea has developed a working FinFET
21:26	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: well, nanotech starts at 10nm basically
21:26	KRS-1	but nanotube transistors is a deviation from traditional cpu design isnt it
21:26	Diablo-D3	nope
21:27	thestringpuller	lol nanotube
21:27	KRS-1	just smaller..
21:27	Diablo-D3	you're replacing existing dielectrics with carbon.
21:27	thestringpuller	is gonna come back
21:27	joecool	just swapping material, can maintain the design
21:27	KRS-1	ah and thus a friction reduction
21:27	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: no
21:27	Diablo-D3	friction? wtf?
21:27	KRS-1	no friction at that scale?
21:28	Diablo-D3	what sort of friction are we talking about here?
21:28	Diablo-D3	theres no moving parts in my CPU =P
21:28	KRS-1	electrons moving about in a cpu cause friction, heat right?
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21:28	Diablo-D3	thats not called friction
21:28	benkay	semantics
21:28	KRS-1	ok so bad use of the term but i think you know what im referring to?
21:29	Diablo-D3	yes, you mean resistance
21:29	KRS-1	right
21:29	Diablo-D3	the reason you decrease feature size is to decrease resistance through less voltage
21:29	Diablo-D3	thus less waste heat
21:29	mjr___	yeah the finfet operated on .7 volts at 28nm
21:30	Diablo-D3	mjr___: the korean one Im talking about was much smaller
21:31	mjr___	yeah, i was talking about the one from taiwan semi
21:32	mjr___	by the way, is asicminer an actual chip or a hardcoded fpga?
21:32	Diablo-D3	actual chip
21:32	Diablo-D3	so is avalon
21:32	Diablo-D3	who knows what bfl is
21:32	mjr___	really?
21:32	Diablo-D3	yeah, avalon is at 90nm, asicminer is at 130nm
21:32	joecool	bfl is an avalon with the name ground off
21:32	mjr___	thought avalon was 110nm
21:33	Diablo-D3	they both licensed existing IP from their fabs and spammed it on their chips with minimal routing and timing wiring
21:33	Diablo-D3	I thought 90, might be 110
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21:34	KRS-1	Diablo: We are getting more clever at improving what we do, but we are not changing how we do it. Example: ever smaller tolerances for CPU design. At some point moore's law will have to break down and not apply. Do you think we will enter a sort of "dark ages" where there will be little, if any discovery for a very long time? Or, do you think there will be great discovery on the
21:34	KRS-1	horizon where we will enter a "golden age" of discovery and or "enlightenment"?
21:35	mjr___	it depends on whether you think we need constant improvement
21:35	Diablo-D3	moore's law was just a really accurate prediction anyhow
21:35	KRS-1	whether we need it or not, it will happen
21:35	Diablo-D3	KRS-1: what we need is to quit writing software like shit
21:35	mjr___	no...if you are asking if we would enter a dark ages
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21:35	Diablo-D3	its not the hardware thats the problem
21:35	Diablo-D3	its the software
21:35	mjr___	agree
21:35	Diablo-D3	protip: STOP USING THREADS, ASSHOLES
21:36	mjr___	hahaha
21:36	joecool	i wish battery technology would move along, that shit hasn't gone anywhere
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21:36	Diablo-D3	IBM solved this fucking problem in the late fucking 60s
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21:36	Diablo-D3	why the fuck do people keep doing it wrong
21:36	Diablo-D3	joecool: oh, batteries are dead
21:36	KRS-1	Basically, I am asking if we will come to a point where we stop discovering and keep concentrating on improving to the point where we can't anymore. Thus, no new discoveries, no new improvements.
21:36	joecool	Diablo-D3: well i don't have a fuel cell in my laptop either
21:37	mjr___	KRS-1: if you think science is understanding the universe we live in, then what happens once we understand it all?
21:37	Diablo-D3	joecool: graphite supercapacitors have no memory effect, instantly charge, and hold at least 10 times more power than existing shipping tech
21:37	Diablo-D3	and yes, I mean charge instantly, you will not be able to provide power to it fast enough.
21:37	joecool	well obv, copper wires have a limit
21:37	Diablo-D3	it will happily peg a 120v 15a plug.
21:38	KRS-1	mjr: I think science is a tool for understanding what we don't..but I don't know once we understand it all..maybe the answer is "42".
21:38	joecool	Diablo-D3: yet nothing is at market?
21:38	Diablo-D3	joecool: not until 2020.
21:38	KRS-1	Thanks for the chat Diablo- everyone. I'm going to be doing some followup reading. I appreciate the stimulating conversations.
21:38	mjr___	thats my point...it only matters to get better, faster, if you have a reason
21:39	Diablo-D3	which btw, Ive predicted the end of the world will be sometime in 2016.
21:39	Diablo-D3	so /me shrugs
21:39	KRS-1	Oh dear, I better cultivate those investments a little more.
21:39	Diablo-D3	but yeah basically
21:39	kakobrekla	why bother with anything then Diablo-D3
21:39	KRS-1	If you don't mind, a couple of sentences on why you think that in a private message would be most appreciated.. I won't reply but I'll follow up with my own research.
21:39	Diablo-D3	computes are completely async inside
21:40	Diablo-D3	*computers
21:40	joecool	kakobrekla: exactly, i'm gonna take up drinking
21:40	Diablo-D3	so why write code that requires highly synchronous action
21:40	kakobrekla	Diablo-D3 cause world will end in 3 years
21:40	mjr___	what would you use instead of threads?
21:40	Diablo-D3	just make everything concurrent single threaded processes and pipe everything
21:40	kakobrekla	nobody gives a fuck
21:40	kakobrekla	ya know
21:40	Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: that doesnt explain the last 40 years of programming.
21:41	Diablo-D3	seriously, the reason your computer is basically no faster than the 486 you used to have years ago on real world tasks?
21:41	Diablo-D3	threads.
21:41	kakobrekla	Diablo-D3 they thought it was gonna be 2012
21:41	kakobrekla	that explains it
21:41	Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: add 3 and a half years to december 21st 2012.
21:42	kakobrekla	why are you still bothering then
21:42	Diablo-D3	bored.
21:42	mjr___	have the best 3 and a half years possible?
21:42	kakobrekla	on irc!
21:45	Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: Im not on IRC nearly as much as people think I am
21:45	mjr___	IRC is probably my favorite thing
21:46	joecool	Diablo-D3: liar, you just move around a ton of channels
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22:06	Diablo-D3	alright Im going to bed
22:06	Diablo-D3	night all
22:08	KRS-1	Did you guys feel that too? Diablo...just left.
22:08	KRS-1	woa
22:08	kakobrekla	what?
22:08	KRS-1	nothing..sry
22:12	truff1es	KRS-1 know any sad songs?
22:16	truff1es	Gloomy Sunday - Billie Holiday would fit..
22:17	KRS-1	hmm
22:17	KRS-1	wow thats old.
22:18	KRS-1	gimme a min i can come up with something
22:18	truff1es	i couldnt think of anything i listen to normally
22:20	KRS-1	Ok- I have the perfect one.
22:20	truff1es	that song from man on fire
22:20	mjr___	january wedding avett brothers
22:20	KRS-1	This one has Annie Lennox in it, I think its a much better version.
22:20	mjr___	not sure if its sad
22:20	mjr___	or maybe bon iver blood bank
22:21	KRS-1	This was originally done by Neil Young but I like this version better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1x6u1rkxS4
22:21	KRS-1	from one of my most fav. movies: American Beauty
22:22	KRS-1	goes great on a cold night with misty like rain
22:23	truff1es	this song's not bad
22:23	mjr___	which?
22:24	truff1es	Don´t let it bring you down- by Annie Lennox, now listening to blood bank
22:25	truff1es	its got the kinda sadness im looking for
22:26	truff1es	if not for these chatrooms id never encounter all these types of music
22:26	mjr___	blood bank?
22:26	truff1es	ya
22:26	mjr___	i figured that is what you were looking for
22:27	mjr___	its one of my favorites
22:27	mjr___	sad to me meant somewhat melancholy but not necessarily having sad lyrics
22:27	truff1es	yea
22:29	KRS-1	Thats what I said earlier truff1es- about chat rooms..Aint it great.
22:29	truff1es	yep
22:29	truff1es	u get what u want out of them
22:29	KRS-1	At first I thought- "Its been a while" by Staind, then I thought, nahhh not enough. Need MOAR.
22:29	truff1es	i aim for culture
22:30	KRS-1	ok I'll keep that in mind.
22:30	mjr___	you also might like jose gonzalez's veneer album
22:30	mjr___	its pretty great
22:30	KRS-1	checking that out now
22:30	mjr___	heartbeats is prob the best song on it
22:30	KRS-1	ok just gonna ask u that
22:30	mjr___	but there are otherse that are good too
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22:31	mjr___	down the line is great
22:31	KRS-1	not bad, this is kinda cool mjr
22:32	KRS-1	I might be weird, but I thought this was f'n amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7knUFWY2P44
22:32	truff1es	José González - Save Your Day, I like
22:33	mjr___	i fell in love with a dead boy - antony and the johnsons
22:34	mjr___	the prayer is a great song too
22:34	truff1es	i heard that audition before
22:34	mjr___	KRS-1: that is a great video
22:35	truff1es	pieces of me thats a great one
22:35	truff1es	cant think of the band, might not be the title..
22:36	mjr___	wagon wheel - old crow medicine show
22:36	mjr___	you don't know how it feels - tom petty
22:36	truff1es	reminds me of Phantom of the Opera
22:38	mjr___	in fact...
22:39	mjr___	http://www.pandora.com/land/station/5824683d717a52e9d6873c0d7bdf02ef2024179d9bdf3892?referrer=joshrossi&site=facebook&shareImp=true&seed=station
22:40	mjr___	that is the station i listen to, if you look at its details, you will see all the music choices, which tracks i put in, which artists, and my thumbs up history
22:40	mjr___	so that is the best list to show you what i usually listen to...its always evolving, but i think its pretty good
22:41	mjr___	and you can listen to samples of each song, to choose what you like
22:41	truff1es	too bad it doesnt work for me..
22:41	mjr___	why not?
22:41	truff1es	...
22:41	mjr___	http://www.pandora.com/station/859797464278263737
22:41	mjr___	this link works?
22:42	truff1es	id need a proxy or something..
22:42	mjr___	oh duh, i didn't realize that you weren't in the US
22:43	mjr___	couldn't you just use tor?
22:43	mjr___	or would it be too slow for a stream?
22:43	mjr___	its a pretty eclectic collection lol
22:43	KRS-1	mjr: That station you said you listen to- great stuff.
22:43	mjr___	why thank you
22:43	mjr___	its very eclectic
22:44	mjr___	i made it
22:44	mjr___	so its what i like
22:44	truff1es	i was trying to find my fav song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyyCz9z1s_M
22:44	KRS-1	yeh kind of my taste, although i go all over the place at times.
22:44	KRS-1	Johnny Cash: Hurt- is a great song
22:44	mjr___	yeah
22:44	mjr___	that is why its called god's gonna cut you down radio
22:44	mjr___	cuz that was the song i started with
22:45	mjr___	then i added in a bunch of other stuff
22:45	mjr___	then thumbed up tracks i like
22:45	mjr___	so its been learning what i like
22:45	truff1es	ive got a mixed taste in music also
22:45	mjr___	but it usually works in waves
22:45	truff1es	i will have to try tor..
22:45	mjr___	so you'll get maybe a 90's rock wave
22:45	mjr___	then maybe an lcd soundsystem type wave
22:45	mjr___	then a kinda country guitar wave
22:46	KRS-1	truff1es: interesting- I doubt i would ever listen to this, but thanks its got my ear now..hmm.
22:46	mjr___	which is kinda nice that it smooths it like that
22:46	KRS-1	90's rock is unreal
22:46	KRS-1	i think it might be my fav genre
22:46	truff1es	fav song out of the phantom of the opera not of all time
22:46	KRS-1	great to smoke to
22:46	mjr___	it is pretty nice
22:46	truff1es	i have many favorites
22:47	KRS-1	truff1es: same here, i can be all over the place at times..even country, but only the major hits and classics.
22:47	mjr___	so my station has rolling stones, violent femmes, pixies, lcd soundsystem, bruce springsteen...its kinda crazy but it works
22:47	KRS-1	never heard of lcd soundsystem
22:47	KRS-1	311 was one of my fav 90s rock
22:48	mjr___	dear mr. fantasy by traffic is a great song
22:48	KRS-1	Recently came across this that had me from the beginning, never heard it before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEvjFThqmq0
22:48	KRS-1	Gonna check that one out now
22:49	mjr___	http://www.pandora.com/david-bowie/bowie-at-beeb-best-of-bbc-radio-sessions-68-72/ziggy-stardust-bbc-radio-version-live
22:49	KRS-1	not bad..makes me feel like I should have a beer in my hand.
22:50	mjr___	all i want is you - U2
22:50	mjr___	i've been a big fan of the avett brothers lately
22:50	truff1es	do u have to download tor browser?
22:50	mjr___	a perfect space is a good song by them\
22:50	mjr___	truff1es: no i don't think so
22:50	mjr___	try this
22:52	truff1es	i might as well get it for future use
22:52	KRS-1	dear mr. fantasy by traffic: WOW
22:52	KRS-1	This pings me a bit
22:52	mjr___	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/22/tor_japan_police_ban/ This is not good
22:52	truff1es	sandbox wont cut it
22:52	mjr___	seven by david bowie
22:53	KRS-1	THANKS mjr- this is going into the collection
22:53	mjr___	hmmm i was thinking of the website that passes through
22:53	KRS-1	Its like..a smokey bar song.
22:53	KRS-1	Who are they to say the Internet SHOULDN'T be anonymous. Its far too personal as it is.
22:56	truff1es	flash and my pc are like enemies
22:57	mjr___	http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html
22:57	mjr___	try that?
22:57	truff1es	got tor
22:58	mjr___	cool
22:58	truff1es	just need to refresh
22:58	KRS-1	those anonymizer sites are probably even more monitored than as if you don't even use em, but if you just don't want to be known by the server you are contacting then np
22:59	KRS-1	two different uses at hand
22:59	mjr___	eh, this is just to use pandora overseas
22:59	KRS-1	cant use pandora from outside the U.S.?
22:59	truff1es	why wont it recognized the update!!
22:59	mjr___	nope
22:59	truff1es	ok gotta try annon site
23:01	truff1es	do u normally restart after installing flash?
23:01	truff1es	i dont remember
23:01	mjr___	not sure, i don't think so...but i don't know
23:01	truff1es	i often end up deleting it and reinstalling when needed
23:01	truff1es	but i cant remember heh
23:02	mjr___	i'm on windows 7 and flash is installed
23:02	mjr___	i have virtual machines for other things
23:02	truff1es	anyways this songs great Antony & The Johnsons - I fell in Love with a Death Boy
23:02	mjr___	figured you would like it
23:02	truff1es	u couldnt know though
23:03	mjr___	KRS-1: Making Me Nervous - Brad Sucks
23:03	truff1es	my tastes somethings are borderline snobbery
23:03	mjr___	well, like i said, i figured you wanted a certain level of melancholy
23:03	truff1es	ya
23:03	mjr___	probably pretty voices, minor tonality
23:04	truff1es	i tend to zone in on vocalist
23:04	mjr___	yeah, i get that
23:04	truff1es	but i like dubstep : p
23:04	mjr___	me too
23:04	mjr___	like i said, everything from old appalachian string bands to skrillex
23:05	truff1es	omg this person is weird , is it a man?
23:06	mjr___	truff1es: seven by david bowie... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj8y3cpSf6s
23:06	mjr___	truff1es: he is a gay guy i think
23:06	truff1es	im gonna have to come back to the pandora sometime
23:06	truff1es	too much going on on my screen
23:08	mjr___	cool
23:08	mjr___	did you like les miserables?
23:08	truff1es	yep
23:08	mjr___	ann hathaway almost brought tears to my eyes
23:09	truff1es	tragedies are prob auto like by me
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23:09	truff1es	seven is a good one
23:10	mjr___	truff1es: do you know of "the magnetic fields"
23:10	KRS-1	no?
23:10	mjr___	they have a ton of songs you will like i think
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23:11	KRS-1	if you can recomment their best one or biggest hit
23:11	mjr___	specifically look up "papa was a rodeo", "nothing matters when we're dancing", "the book of love"...
23:11	mjr___	check it out too KRS-1
23:11	KRS-1	ok ill do that now
23:12	KRS-1	HAH! Check out wax-rosanna: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aRb4rAq0I
23:12	mjr___	fake plastic trees (acoustic version) by radiohead
23:12	KRS-1	This is an hilarious video
23:12	truff1es	not a fan of johnny cash..
23:12	KRS-1	good song too
23:13	KRS-1	truff1es I wasnt either but somehow i got to listen to a few of his hits and broadened my horizons..idk how
23:13	truff1es	let me relisten to hurt before i say that again heh
23:13	KRS-1	exactly..i think thats the song that did it
23:13	mjr___	yes, that is my favorite
23:13	KRS-1	Magnetic Fields Papa was a Rodeo
23:13	KRS-1	nine inch nails did that one
23:14	mjr___	yeah
23:14	KRS-1	hmm this is interesting mjr
23:14	KRS-1	different
23:14	truff1es	yep still dont like mr cash
23:14	KRS-1	LOL truff1es
23:14	mjr___	it was almost all covers on american IV
23:14	KRS-1	not for everyone
23:14	KRS-1	similar in style to U2-numb
23:15	KRS-1	seems like magnetic fields is an acquired taste
23:15	truff1es	the magnetic fields voice is similar
23:15	KRS-1	yes sure seems like it
23:16	truff1es	have to be in a mood for that..
23:16	mjr___	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHL1X0jV0dI
23:16	KRS-1	I've heard fake plastic trees (acoustic version) by radiohead..good one
23:16	mjr___	i just like this because its beautiful with the black and white video of people dancing back when america still had class LOL
23:17	KRS-1	mjr: u might like this
23:17	KRS-1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0O0nzkESTI
23:17	mjr___	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHL1X0jV0dI
23:17	truff1es	i guess this is where our tastes clash
23:18	mjr___	hallelujah - jeff buckley ?
23:18	KRS-1	it happens
23:18	truff1es	yep good one
23:18	mjr___	did you not like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHL1X0jV0dI ?
23:18	KRS-1	stone temple pilots- trippin on a hole in a paper heart This one revvs my engine
23:19	KRS-1	is it just me or am I still looking at a rising wedge here..i'm still holding on my orders.
23:21	truff1es	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfFi4Q7ueA8 if we must dance
23:22	mjr___	oh you will appreciate this KRS-1
23:23	mjr___	https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2218682996901&set=a.1092346279187.15249.1542422870&type=3&theater
23:24	truff1es	mjr are u a fan of mayer?
23:24	mjr___	john mayer? not really
23:24	KRS-1	HAHAHA yep thanks lol!
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23:28	mjr___	i think that was from the network+ practice tests
23:28	truff1es	mjr and KRS-1 thanks for all the links, i bid u adieu
23:32	KRS-1	same
23:32	KRS-1	it was a pleasure, guys
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