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06:07 hapax hello!
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07:49 hapax $ticker btc usd
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09:30 awt_akris Hello hapax.
09:35 hapax hello, awt
09:35 hapax there seems to be little to no traffic on weekends, huh?
09:35 awt_akris Welcome. What/who brings you here?
09:36 awt_akris These days yes
09:37 hapax i'm the ffa dos guy
09:37 hapax got an invitation from asciilifeform
09:39 awt_akris Ah yes!. Neat. I notice your messages appear to be showing up as multiline. What station implementation are you using?
09:43 hapax huh, they seem okay on my end. i'm using jonsykkel's smalpest and connecting to it via erc
09:44 awt_akris Yeah they look fine in the weblog too. Must be something weird about how my station is handling them. Maybe some cr/lf issue.
09:45 hapax first thing i thought of as well, suspected it might be on my end somewhere
09:46 hapax but yeah, both weblogs seem fine
09:48 hapax (unless erc messes something up and the bot conveniently ignores it)
09:49 hapax probably not a smalpest problem, would've been caught earlier (i'm using the latest git version)
09:51 awt_akris Yeah I don't think anyone else will see it, as I'm the only one using this particular station implementation, and it's the only one that does multiline display afaik.
09:59 hapax you're using akris, right? (i mean, according to your handle)
09:59 awt_akris correct.
09:59 hapax i thought it was intended to replace blatta
10:00 hapax (i might not be up to date, have only been lurking sporadically past few months)
10:00 hapax the rest of the folks still on the old version?
10:00 awt_akris It's kind of a re-write of blatta with bugfixes + a gui.
10:02 awt_akris Yes I believe so.
10:02 hapax got it
10:03 hapax my peststation currently only has a text terminal i/o and unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) doesn't run python
10:04 hapax so smalpest is the only way to go for me unless i write my own implementation
10:04 awt_akris Is it running dos?
10:04 hapax lol, not yet
10:04 hapax but i thought about trying to run smalpest on dos
10:05 hapax it's a static musl-based unix-like
10:05 awt_akris Excellent
10:07 hapax got the static smalpest at around 190k with musl-1.2.4 and gcc-4.9.4
10:09 hapax i actually miss something like musl for dos
10:10 hapax right now if you wanna do posix-like on dos it's either glibc or various incompatible libcs bundled with c compilers (with incompatible versions of c)
10:10 hapax you can get it to work (sometimes with effort), but it's not out of the box
10:10 hapax i wanted to try the musl approach with my ada runtime for dos (ward)
10:11 hapax should compile without any problems on a stock gcc with only a few modifications
10:13 hapax and it talks directly to the kernel ave1-style (without going through libc like stdlibs for other languages)
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11:46 asciilifeform welcome to pestnet, hapax
11:48 asciilifeform re dos, a useful (but afaik not exists yet) item: 64bit extender, a la dos32a, dos4gw, etc ( dos not necessarily sits on 486... )
11:49 asciilifeform (would make for a faster ffa there, among other things)
11:49 hapax hello, asciilifeform
11:49 hapax thanks for having me here
11:50 hapax i agree, i thought about how something like that could've worked
11:50 hapax unfortunately stuck to 32 bits for now
11:51 hapax i remember some of the freedos folks were once aiming for a "protected mode" dos
11:51 hapax might go for a "long mode" one as well
11:52 hapax identity mapping the entire available mem, ring 0 only, etc.
11:52 hapax templeos-style
11:54 asciilifeform the orig rationale for 'ffa on dos' was 'crypto on nicless/airgapped box, single-tasking, 0 extraneous softs, boot in <1s', roughly
11:54 asciilifeform above would do the job a++
11:54 asciilifeform the iron not necessarily needs to be vintage/32b
11:59 hapax i'd have to check how much work it would take to actually port dpmi to amd64
11:59 hapax some of the api can stay 32b, but all the memory references would have to be extended
12:00 hapax i guess dos64a is not impossible, but it would take time
12:00 hapax i actually never got to properly testing the speed of ffa on my opteron
12:01 asciilifeform in variant where all i/o via uart, not even need the dos... bare iron would work just same
12:01 hapax yeah, sure
12:02 * asciilifeform on a break from commercial worx, and very recently picked ffa back up, there's several unreleased chapters from 2020 that need cleanup
12:02 hapax i was thinking more of running the litmus.sh signature checker, etc.
12:02 hapax definitely gonna read
12:03 asciilifeform extended-gcd, in particular (can't generate rsa keys w/out it)
12:03 hapax btw, i've managed to run litmus.sh on ash (busybox)
12:03 hapax needed just a few changes to make it posix-compatible
12:03 hapax guess the cat-v crowd is gonna be happy
12:03 asciilifeform hapax: when you get a chance, plz post the patch, i'ma include it
12:04 hapax got it
12:04 asciilifeform btw hapax, do make peerings w/ other people, 1 of the major wins of pest net is resilience of links
12:04 asciilifeform (vs dark age irc etc)
12:05 * asciilifeform must bbl
12:05 hapax sure thing, gonna hang out as much as i can
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13:42 jonsykkel re crlf ur mesages hapax has a 0a in end (http://zzz.st/pest/), id gues the irc client sends a extra 0a and smalpest dosnt catch it (wander who wrote that pile of trasj) so just passes it on to pest mesage
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