14:08 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
14:08 |
asciilifeform |
... bot awol ? |
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~ 1 hours 11 minutes ~ |
15:20 |
awt |
shinohai seems not to have recovered from the emotibomb |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
a |
15:20 |
awt |
I have a ticker bot as well. I'll bring it in at some point. |
15:22 |
awt |
Currently price is $19014 - was < 19k minutes ago |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
cheapcoinz! |
15:23 |
awt |
Indeed. |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
15:49 |
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asciilifeform unrelatedly, considered 'wainot rebake pest spec in latex, iirc can shit edible html, embedding diagrams etc' but not found any clean mechanism for this |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
seems like all the pertinent tools work by shitting pdf and mechanically htmlizing same |
15:50 |
asciilifeform |
which -- ugh |
15:50 |
awt |
Haven't ever worked with latex. |
15:51 |
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asciilifeform worked for many yrs, but never attempted htmlism w/ subj |
15:52 |
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asciilifeform would like option for printer-friendly output of spec, but has 0 intention of maintaining 2 parallel copies |
15:53 |
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asciilifeform would also like to bake illustrations, but again put off by idea of juggling over9000 gifs etc |
15:54 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: you can't embed images with markdown? |
15:54 |
asciilifeform |
latex worx a++, and doesn't suffer from the idiocy of 'markdown' where can't reorder sections without doctoring over9000 links etc |
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15:54 |
billymg |
and svg would probably be the best format for diagrams, like you used for your pest logo |
15:54 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: can't ~generate~ images with same |
15:54 |
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asciilifeform wants a single-source spec as currently 4evah |
15:55 |
asciilifeform |
not over9000 binturds |
15:55 |
billymg |
svgs aren't binary |
15:55 |
asciilifeform |
latex theoretically gives this. but apparently still , as 20y ago, not gives edible, linkable html |
15:55 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: indeed not binary. but also not palatable to create by hand. |
15:56 |
billymg |
create in graphics program, copy/paste the svg into spec source |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
svg may as well be a binary format, for all the readability of it |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: never used latex e.g. dag generators ? the source 'exists in the form preferred for editing' |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
rather than turd shat out by graphics editor |
15:57 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: never used latex. example? |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
and moar |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
over9000 of these, historically |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
nobody there sits and sweats in an image editor like microshit victim |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
observe that crapola like svg is extremely unfriendly from vtronic pov |
16:01 |
asciilifeform |
just about any change turns into kilometre of liquishit in the diff |
16:01 |
billymg |
in the first link, this is what the generated svg looks like: view-source:https://dkumor.com/posts/technical/files/tikzgraphs/sampledot.svg |
16:02 |
billymg |
looks about the same as spit out by any "microshit graphics program" |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: right, but no need to hardbake the output into vdiff, if ~generates~ it from meaningful source |
16:02 |
billymg |
per asciilifeform: "might as well be binary" |
16:02 |
asciilifeform |
obv. the ~output~ is soup |
16:03 |
asciilifeform |
( in fact the typical output of latex is a megatonne of postscript soup ) |
16:03 |
billymg |
ok, so it's "press vpatch of pest spec, and also download this third party dependency to generate the graphs" |
16:03 |
billymg |
and if that's the idea could use e.g. matplotlib also |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: traditional down side of latex. but it aint as if there even is, afaik, a latex system that spits usable, linkable html. |
16:04 |
billymg |
or d3js |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: if req's js to ~read~ the output, asciilifeform won't use |
16:04 |
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billymg suggested a python lib also |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
output must be a standard html + dir of whatever images |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
but, importantly, optionally a printer-edible ps with correct pagination etc |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
which afaik only in latex . |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
afaik no off-shelf solution atm. |
16:06 |
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asciilifeform brb |
16:17 |
asciilifeform |
fugheting about illustrations for a moment, what asciilifeform was looking for is an item which generates something maximally approximating the current html form but from latex src, rather than the enfuriatingly moronic markdown |
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16:18 |
asciilifeform |
( which wastes over9000 hours to change even most simple thing ) |
16:18 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-06-18 15:54:31 asciilifeform: latex worx a++, and doesn't suffer from the idiocy of 'markdown' where can't reorder sections without doctoring over9000 links etc |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
... somehow thought it existed for 20y, turns out -- not at all |
16:21 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: could ask jonsykkel about the one he's working on |
16:21 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-06-06 19:55:08 jonsykkel[asciilifeform|billymg]: wokring on a markdown replacment soon redy but i dont have a name for it so canot release - plz someone invent |
16:22 |
asciilifeform |
won't to jack for printer |
16:22 |
asciilifeform |
*do |
16:24 |
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asciilifeform not expects, in his lifetime, to see anyffin resembling a replacement for latex for cranking out printer-friendly output |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
this is ultimately why e.g. maffs world is fulla incurable pdfism |
16:26 |
bitbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-06-09 phf: asciilifeform: i'm less and less sharing your dislike for pdfs. i think it's a maligned format, because of its incompetent custodian adobe. i'm just looking at the variety of pdf documents, and their corresponding crossplatform support i.e. can render noaa's naval chart which is all shapes as well as mit ai note which is just tiff wrapper equally well on e.g. plan9 |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
for billymg & other folx who not used latex : 'printer sanity' aint simply about 'nifty fonts' etc., but actually very simple things that htmlism pisses on, e.g. allowing author to force sections to start at top of a page, paragraphs not to break in half by page boundary, sane handling of toc, etc |
16:32 |
asciilifeform |
... it also includes vector graphics getting rasterized to the resolution of the printer, rather than some arbitrary sad vga res |
16:32 |
asciilifeform |
( and wrapped by text correctly, and not broken up by page boundaries ) |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
( see also : interesting piece re the sheer brokenness of extant proggies purporting to solve $problem ) |
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~ 54 minutes ~ |
17:38 |
signpost |
those printing requirements are actually present in recent revisions of css, though this'd marry you to recent browsers. |
17:38 |
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asciilifeform reaches for barf bag |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
betcha output wouldn't look anyffin like a civilized, white man latex print either. |
17:42 |
signpost |
oh, they probably have a page-layout: pls-no-page-numbers-plspls; and so on. |
17:43 |
signpost |
and somewhere some autist is very proud that he knows them all. |
17:43 |
signpost |
omg: srsly-no-crapping-the-url-onto-every-page; |
17:44 |
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signpost was amused to learn that JS accreted destructuring-bind recently (sorta) |
17:52 |
pest |
helloworld |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
grr plox to ignore ^, bot tst |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
awt: in replays on new bot test, seeing oddities like '13:56 < awt[asciilifeform|asciilifeform|asciilifeform]> Indeed.' |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
^ bug |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
awt: in misc. bugreports, bot has been syncing for ~10min nao (and carrying on) but asciilifeform's station still displays 'no packets received...' in 'at' output for same |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
also peculiarly, the replays seem to come in bursts , where in given burst -- in order, but the bursts per se in ~random order |
18:06 |
asciilifeform |
( evidently the 'reorder' mechanism not worx... ) |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: how do you issue wot/at/etc config cmds to your bot w/out disconnecting the logotron from same ? |
18:09 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i don't, i start the bot with the --address-table-path flag pointing to bot-at.py file |
18:09 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: ... and, given that blatta dun seem to support 'slave' -- how do you strip the hearsayism from the logged msgs in your logotron ? |
18:10 |
billymg |
i mean i start the bot's pest station with that flag |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
there dun seem to be a 'keys table path' |
18:13 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: you'll need this patch for pest network compatibility: http://billymg.com/2022/01/new-logotoron-patches-bug-fixes-and-enhancements/?b=Another&e=lines#select |
18:14 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: if you press from my latest you'll be good to go |
18:15 |
asciilifeform |
hm so it zaps ~all~ hearsay annotations ?? |
18:15 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: no |
18:15 |
billymg |
they are stored in the db, and they are displayed in the html in the title tag |
18:15 |
billymg |
just suppressed from the main html printout |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
grr so demands mod to reader.py ? |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
ugh |
18:16 |
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asciilifeform was gonna use his good ol' reader.py unchanged |
18:16 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: what's bad about that? |
18:17 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: your theme won't be displayed any differently if that's what you're worried about |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
was gonna simply plug in bot to throw msgs in db, not open up the hood on reader.py |
18:17 |
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billymg posted those patches back in january, never heard anything from anyone |
18:18 |
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billymg also mentioned several times in the logs about the hearsay annotations being in the title tags |
18:19 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: btw, the keys are embedded in the bot-at.py file, that's how blatta handles it |
18:22 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: looks like this for ref: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1n_G |
18:23 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: right, just finally nao asciilifeform got around to testing these w/ own hands, lol |
18:24 |
asciilifeform |
it aint billymg's fault that asciilifeform made hand-tweaks to own reader.py and so nao can't simply swap out for billymg's w/out headache |
18:24 |
billymg |
ah, i see |
18:25 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: could be that applying the patch manually just werks |
18:27 |
billymg |
ah, here's the part about the hearsay annotations |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
aha, saw |
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~ 23 minutes ~ |
18:51 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
18:52 |
asciilifeform |
grr |
18:54 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: you've got 'is_pest' set to 1 in the bot's config? |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
bitbot: absolutely sure |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
bot saw the trigger, too. but somehow not seeing its answr on pestnet |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
(only in its local blatta log) |
18:56 |
billymg |
!. uptime |
18:56 |
bitbot |
billymg: time since my last reconnect : 1d 16h 56m |
18:56 |
billymg |
(just making sure not some general weather related issue) |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
nah 'weather' seems a++ |
18:57 |
billymg |
speaking of, brb, gonna go for a swim |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest << fwiw at least eats |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
may have to stop there for nao |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
awt ^ the hearsay marking issue from earlier, visible there |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
19:02 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 2m |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
there we go |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
( apparently join delay in my cfg still ) |
19:03 |
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asciilifeform will import old msgs from billymg into the thing at some pt |
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19:06 |
asciilifeform |
folx who want to peer directly w/ dulapbot -- plox to gpggram key/at ! |
19:10 |
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asciilifeform still annoyed that one can't issue pest ctrl cmds to a pestron with bot sitting on it |
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~ 1 hours 1 minutes ~ |
20:12 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2022-06-18#1000012 << test |
20:12 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-06-18 14:55:36 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest << fwiw at least eats |
20:13 |
billymg |
yeah, will be good to have this soon, as of now nsa log links on bitdash will tunnel to the wrong line |
20:13 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-06-18 19:03:59 asciilifeform: will import old msgs from billymg into the thing at some pt |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
yea |
20:14 |
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asciilifeform recs not to rely on the indices from dulapbot atm |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
in #p |
20:26 |
billymg |
$ticker btc usd |
20:27 |
billymg |
c'mon shinohai, i need my busybot fix |