#ossasepia | 2020-07-17

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It'd be great to have a federated pool of such "full nodes" based on each operator's choice of signers; the present scheme doesn't quite get there as it does hash-only verification, leaving sig checking to the V presser. A trial press with comparison of flow to output manifest might make a good condition for automated patch import there.

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jfw

although the priority on that optimization might go up if a V-enlightented Gales Linux starts pulling in gccs and kernels and such.

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jfw

(the filtering by project, that is.)

~ 14 hours 18 minutes ~

14:36

00:09	jfw	It'd be great to have a federated pool of such "full nodes" based on each operator's choice of signers; the present scheme doesn't quite get there as it does hash-only verification, leaving sig checking to the V presser. A trial press with comparison of flow to output manifest might make a good condition for automated patch import there.
00:17	jfw	although the priority on that optimization might go up if a V-enlightented Gales Linux starts pulling in gccs and kernels and such.
00:17	jfw	(the filtering by project, that is.)
		~ 14 hours 18 minutes ~
14:36	diana_coman	http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027925 - jfw, what would the current steps be if someone starts from 0 ie they go "I'll get a dedicated server for this, what is it going to take to have it running gales+jfw-bitcoin" ?
14:36	sonofawitch	2020-07-17 05:42:41 (#ossasepia) jfw: for the problem of the manual drudgery presently involved in getting started as well as infecting new systems with jfw-bitcoin, or jfw-wares more generally, I'm thinking to use the perfectly good sync script I already have; you'll simply get all my patches then take your pick of what to press. I was trying to prematurely optimize by thinking it needed an option to filter for a specific project.
14:39	diana_coman	http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027928 - as with all great things lately, it's more likely firmly in the camp of "if you make it, you'll have it"; but this aside for a moment, to the extent that you talk strictly of infrastructure what's the problem and otherwise if you talk of operators, well, the lack there is not going to be solved by better scripts or software in
14:39	diana_coman	general.
14:39	sonofawitch	2020-07-17 06:09:29 (#ossasepia) jfw: It'd be great to have a federated pool of such "full nodes" based on each operator's choice of signers; the present scheme doesn't quite get there as it does hash-only verification, leaving sig checking to the V presser. A trial press with comparison of flow to output manifest might make a good condition for automated patch import there.
14:43	diana_coman	that being said and to the extent that I follow what you are saying there, the only rather puzzling part for me is why "v-starter" is it's in fact a "trb-starter" you seem to be aiming for?
14:45	diana_coman	danuker - how's it going with the reading around? do you need anything, do you have any questions?
14:46	diana_coman	danuker - btw, I looked through your blog, wanted to comment and ...couldn't, of course, because I'm not going to go through that disqus madness in order to ...talk to you, wtf.
14:48	diana_coman	fwiw, this tarpit of "will do static blog and then end up with disqus/similar for comments because there's no other solution" is the usual path indeed but for being usual it's still not going anywhere useful.
14:52	danuker	diana_coman: I have looked through your blog, I am not really sure what to do
14:52	diana_coman	danuker - how do you mean, what to do about what?
14:53	diana_coman	in general like that... whatever you do won't be lost time, as long as you do it properly, what.
14:53	danuker	diana_coman: I thought about rewriting the Bitcoin client, then I was thinking what language? and now I am reviewing programming languages
14:54	diana_coman	danuker - oh dear, that's the ...road to hell, lol
14:55	diana_coman	danuker - did you notice this article for instance: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/29/a-basic-requirement-for-the-literate-introducing-of-new-tools/ ?
14:56	danuker	diana_coman: oh, so many long paragraphs, I did not notice it
14:56	danuker	diana_coman: in the mean time I worked on my map; I put it on hold while I was looking for a KMZ reader (for the "open" data from the government)
14:57	danuker	diana_coman: I need a project management tool
14:57	danuker	how do you guys organize your goals?
14:58	diana_coman	I get it that you want to contribute and you want to help and you want all the good and proper things indeed; but please, understand that this approach of "I'll just re-write this huge thing by myself and in my corner and then I'll come out with it and won't it be a huge help to everyone" is the very, very trodden path on which most youngsters end up ...lost; and old, sure.
14:58	diana_coman	nothing more though.
14:59	diana_coman	danuker - what did those long paragraphs hide /what is it you didn't notice as I don't quite follow that sentence?
15:00	danuker	diana_coman: I mean, I don't want to read it right now, since it will take time
15:03	diana_coman	ah, you don't have to read it right now, no, lolz; I was curious whether you found it already, mainly because it might help you to digest it before you invest whatever hours/months into "developing this shiny new thing" ; this approach btw already has a name around here, it's called "man-aloning" ; it has a history too and many, many stories - they all end up badly for the main character!
15:04	diana_coman	danuker - re "project management tool" dunno what you have in mind exactly; I suppose I use.... V; other than that, some awk scripts for time management, though it's more like periodic reviews now as hm, I'm rather ...settled, let's say.
15:05	diana_coman	you will likely notice around here a preference for ...fewer, smaller and more useful tools really, rather than "more tools, yeee"
15:06	diana_coman	danuker - if you really wonder "where to start from", I'd say start by looking at V and then probably some of jfw's stuff if you are totally focused on bitcoin-part
15:07	diana_coman	he's around to ask for help too if you get stuck, he has quite a few things published, it's way, way better to start by trying to figure out through use and reading what IS there and what people are doing, than by re-writing anything, really
15:08	danuker	diana_coman: I will try to avoid too much "man-aloning"; thanks for the heads-up
15:09	diana_coman	you're welcome; and speak up/ask whenever stuck/in doubt/in need of bouncing some ideas off someone; people around here quite know what they are talking about.
15:10	jfw	http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027931 - that'd be a fairly lengthy list that I don't have available atm; starting from 0 you'd need to establish that your hardware is supported and create or ask nicely for a kernel config
15:10	sonofawitch	2020-07-17 20:36:46 (#ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/07/01/ossasepia-logs-for-Jul-2020/#1027925 - jfw, what would the current steps be if someone starts from 0 ie they go "I'll get a dedicated server for this, what is it going to take to have it running gales+jfw-bitcoin" ?
15:12	diana_coman	jfw - do you have a list of supported hardware ie somewhere for the operator to go and look? or at least one relatively common/easily available config that one can find with hosters?
15:14	jfw	what do you mean by "with hosters"?
15:14	jfw	but no I haven't presently published kernel configurations.
15:15	jfw	they are made available to customers with purchase of hardware, for which we presently have the Thinkpad x200 option and are working on an APU one.