#ossasepia | 2020-04-14

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gah, it's been taking longer to reread and write up that conversation for my review than it took to have it the first time; and I wasn't set up well mentally as I had the idea that review was pretty much done except for some pasting and there was just the plan, as opposed to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-13#1024329 .

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Logged on 2020-04-13 18:21:07 diana_coman: jfw: anyways, will you write up and publish then today the review and plan based on the discussion above?

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http://younghands.club/2020/04/14/jfw-review-week-of-6-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW review, week of 6 Apr 2020

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02:00	jfw	gah, it's been taking longer to reread and write up that conversation for my review than it took to have it the first time; and I wasn't set up well mentally as I had the idea that review was pretty much done except for some pasting and there was just the plan, as opposed to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-13#1024329 .
02:00	ossabot	Logged on 2020-04-13 18:21:07 diana_coman: jfw: anyways, will you write up and publish then today the review and plan based on the discussion above?
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02:43	feedbot	http://younghands.club/2020/04/14/jfw-review-week-of-6-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW review, week of 6 Apr 2020
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03:21	diana_coman	jfw: reading the published review, it seems it was done (there isn't really anything new in there) but kind of done to you rather than by you, lolz.
03:35	jfw	diana_coman: what can I say. sorry I've missed the plan, I seem to be fussing over it quite a bit, this improving estimates and realism and completeness but also doing in less time is a tough circle for me to square. I'll get some sleep and give a fresh look.
03:37	diana_coman	jfw: works.
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11:39	billymg	diana_coman: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=xakV << draft list of questions for survey. there is also a survey for non-mp-wp users. my idea is to publish this list of questions as an article on my site and then ping a few channels to solicit some responses as comments on the article. this way all the responses will be collected publicly in one place and i can ask follow up questions inline
11:41	billymg	let me know if you have any feedback on the questions themselves otherwise i can go ahead and publish as is
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14:50	diana_coman	billymg: I guess it works; not sure it will be much use tbh but that part is up to you anyway
14:51	diana_coman	the q re modifications and settings will be a pain to answer anywhere close really given the long history with it otherwise, huh
14:51	diana_coman	possibly worth a try anyway, why not
14:51	diana_coman	jfw: what's the fuss over /re plan anyway?
15:02	jfw	diana_coman: it seems after yesterday's convo I'm more confused about what a plan is supposed to be anyway. More descriptive about what I'm likely to end up doing? Prescriptive about what I presently think needs doing or want to focus on?
15:06	diana_coman	jfw: what is normally a plan for you?
15:08	diana_coman	to me normally a plan is a commitment really: I intend to DO those things.
15:09	diana_coman	and that's a reason why I keep to it, too; sure, not idiotically without considering changes to the context but "given what I know now, this is what I intend to do" so if/when what I know changes, the plan can change too
15:09	jfw	To me it's been more of "things I'd like to happen and figure there's some chance of", I suppose.
15:10	diana_coman	yeah, more of a wishlist burnt on the altar and forgotten too :D
15:10	diana_coman	not much need for that, no.
15:11	diana_coman	also, in that case, why limit to what seems to have a chance, at least go fully for it and list what you'd like to happen, what if it ...does? :))
15:13	jfw	diana_coman: but do you really fill your whole working schedule with commitments? you've also said to plan in some flexibility I recall
15:13	diana_coman	it's never really worth it to go half way only anyway, so if it's a commitment make it be one and if it's a wishlist let it be a proper wishlist
15:14	diana_coman	jfw: there is flexibility, sure - part of it comes from all the time buffers, part of it from the time permitting, part of it from the above "if context changes, so will the plan - explicitly though, even if it's in the middle of the week"
15:16	diana_coman	and then there is of course the level of detail - ie no need to go in super detail upfront when you can't even know that; but if your plan says "publish an article every other day" then it's a commitment you'll write one and publish it although yeah, flexibility as to what content, how long etc; if it says "sort out healthcare" then that is a commitment that you will work on that although sure, the result might be that it's fully ...
15:16	diana_coman	... sorted or not yet, but you did apply yourself to that task.
15:17	diana_coman	jfw: and there's also nothing wrong with listing specifically some time for what I was calling yesterday opportunistic tasks, what.
15:18	diana_coman	the plan is literally to see what you intended to do and then compare with what you did, learn from it and decide on the next move; not some sort of "form" to fill, nor some sort of madness/bureaucracy/dunno-how-to-even-call-it
15:20	diana_coman	and ofc it helps in principle with coordination with others too; but only to the extent that it has anything to do with reality, sure.
15:21	jfw	hm, does "intended" speak of wishes or commitments? or something else?
15:22	diana_coman	jfw: where?
15:22	jfw	"to see what you intended to do"
15:22	jfw	coulda sworn I knew what intent was but somehow unsure now, lol
15:23	diana_coman	to me it speaks of commitment, yes; I don't quite have other sort of intentions but I suppose it's better said "to see what you had committed to do "
15:23	diana_coman	for clarity
15:23	jfw	alright
15:35	diana_coman	now I wonder what might everyone took the plans for, even; lol