#ossasepia | 2020-03-27

02:12

well here's some definite "cleaning only before company visits" failure in my process. my object here has been a V that works on Gales or other "small" systems; however I did most of the testing on a gentoo. only after thinking all was well and signing a patch did it occur to me to test all the pieces on a Gales system. Pressing worked fine - because I'd had the quirks of busybox patch in mind -

02:12

jfw

but I'd also brought an awk-based vdiff into the picture, which is broken there because of a busybox diff quirk I'd forgotten (replacing the names of inexistent files with "/dev/null").

02:21

jfw

now maybe this isn't a big enough problem to derail publishing - since previously there was no vdiff anyway on such a system; but that rather feels like propagating the "hygiene" problem. if a system can install code it should be able to edit it too ffs, or what are we making, iphones?

02:22

jfw

the awk-vdiff is certainly fixable but will be some work I hadn't planned on.

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04:55

02:12	jfw	well here's some definite "cleaning only before company visits" failure in my process. my object here has been a V that works on Gales or other "small" systems; however I did most of the testing on a gentoo. only after thinking all was well and signing a patch did it occur to me to test all the pieces on a Gales system. Pressing worked fine - because I'd had the quirks of busybox patch in mind -
02:12	jfw	but I'd also brought an awk-based vdiff into the picture, which is broken there because of a busybox diff quirk I'd forgotten (replacing the names of inexistent files with "/dev/null").
02:21	jfw	now maybe this isn't a big enough problem to derail publishing - since previously there was no vdiff anyway on such a system; but that rather feels like propagating the "hygiene" problem. if a system can install code it should be able to edit it too ffs, or what are we making, iphones?
02:22	jfw	the awk-vdiff is certainly fixable but will be some work I hadn't planned on.
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04:55	diana_coman	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-26#1023081 - trinque , do you realise we already have the same conversation in #trilema before? Here: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958690 ; that is all there is and sure, it's the description of the mechanism rather than the mechanism; if that's not enough, it's still all there currently is.
04:55	ossabot	Logged on 2020-03-26 19:51:45 trinque: diana_coman: there's the patches, and whatever selection mechanism everyone bitches every time I don't have.
04:55	ossabot	(trilema) 2020-03-01 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i suspect billymg 's thing might not actually include http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132249
04:57	diana_coman	jfw: ahaha; why don't you work on Gales anyway?
05:03	diana_coman	jfw: re derailing publication - your adventure there actually brought forward some additional part that you should write up and publish, namely those "quirks" of busybox and the like; as you noticed, you forgot some of them yourself so write them down in one place to have as reference already; esp if you want to make Gales useful, anyway.
05:05	diana_coman	so yes, sure, you don't have the v write up at the planned time; you still had though something to publish at that time: the summary of the adventure, with what came out of it; that is anyway the only thing that can ever be, after all - it's always exactly a summary of what you did and the fact that sometimes it happens to fit also previous plans and expectations does not make it something other than what you did.
05:06	diana_coman	dorion: what happened to you?
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10:48	*	BingoBoingo has first comment thread on new thing http://mvdstandard.net/2020/03/usg-indicts-venezualan-president-maduro-and-other-members-of-government-over-alleged-narco-terrorism-conspiracy/#comment-7
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11:04	diana_coman	congrats BingoBoingo !
11:08	BingoBoingo	diana_coman: ty
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14:01	jfw	diana_coman: ah, indeed - writing by focusing on the journey more than the destination. I'll get on that.
14:02	jfw	I've kept a gales and gentoo system side by side on the desk for a while now; what still keeps me defaulting to the gentoo is mainly X11.
14:06	*	jfw just got tripped up by the time change, 5 days in even; will be back at actually-19:00
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15:03	diana_coman	jfw: oh huh, why x11? I mean: do you needed for the dev work you do?
15:04	diana_coman	need it*
15:05	feedbot	http://younghands.club/2020/03/27/rmd-week-21-review-mar-23rd-27th-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- RMD week 21 review, Mar 23rd-27th, 2020
15:06	jfw	diana_coman: it's not strictly needed, but I find pasting in particular to be a pain without it
15:07	diana_coman	why/how?
15:09	jfw	maybe my tools just suck? but using tmux or screen as "window manager", it just takes quite a few keystrokes to get a particular thing selected then pasted, compared to 2 mouse clicks
15:11	jfw	this is more noticeable with irc compared to editing code though, to be sure
15:11	dorion	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-27#1023093 - I'm just about settled here and made progress on priorities. there was soem lingering emergency mode and I dropped my daily reviews. doing the weekly review helped me become aware of that.
15:11	ossabot	Logged on 2020-03-27 06:25:15 diana_coman: dorion: what happened to you?
15:13	diana_coman	jfw: possibly; but more to the point, a whole x11 for...copy/paste sounds certainly like overkill, no?
15:14	diana_coman	I have x11 ofc and all the bells and whistles for eulora client but otherwise (eg for server-side development) I never needed x11
15:15	diana_coman	it's true it's 20 years since I last used irc without x11 but I don't recall that being a problem at the time either, lol.
15:15	jfw	perhaps it's a situation of "driving the car to pick up the mail from the street just because I can", hm.
15:17	jfw	did you need to paste links or search logs in a browser as much 20 years ago though?
15:17	diana_coman	dorion: at least the 2nd layer of review caught it then, not that bad; (and glad to hear it wasn't anything worse than what sounds like too-much-on-local-plate, anyway)
15:18	diana_coman	jfw: possibly not; though I still wonder how I managed to keep track of all the convos given the format, lolz.
15:19	diana_coman	jfw: anyways, I suppose you can easily find out if you really need the x11 - just ditch it for a month and see what solution you find instead, heh.
15:21	jfw	there was a period of this even, pre-Gales when I was building this gentoo as 'recipes' atop a stage3. It did make me more efficient with tmux pasting and some tricks to pipe snippets in/out of vim, but was still a relief once I had the gui back. Open to suggestions on better ways :)