#ossasepia | 2020-03-07

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-06#1020244 - the core idea is good but its practical translation doesn't seem to look much at the...practicals. To unpack a few things: 1. the type that not only "wants to" but actually reliably, timely and persistently does the homework is anyway scarce in general and moreover apparently extra scarce in your environment there to the point that I suspect you can tell one of those from 1 ...

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Logged on 2020-03-06 16:54:11 jfw: part of the thinking on homework was there will be people who actually won't want to do anything outside class, and we want a separate schedule for them so as not to turn away their money but also not put that cost on the faster ones

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... mile off if you just look at how they work & interact otherwise - so it's very easy indeed to simply offer that special and rare person the cheaper option; basically as a special offer for them because indeed, it is for them; I guess another way to put this is that your assumption re which group is predominant and which ones are the exceptions turns out to be the exact opposite of what can be observed in practice.

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2. when people group, they inevitably *choose* to share the costs and this includes costs other than money; so you can't insulate "the faster ones" fully from the consequences of their own choice to share the costs with "slower" ones. (And I'm biting my tongue here to keep to your terms.)

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3. if the recovery from missed /late/etc homeworks is 2-3 lessons, that doesn't seem to *justify* introducing otherwise the way larger trouble of policing homework (and it comes with more than just the exact how to, it's basically just not worth it).

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4. the moment you set out to everyone the options "more homework but you pay less" vs "less homework but you pay more", you'll get ~everyone going for "pay less" because guess what, in theory and hallucinated-with-all-the-good-intentions, they ALL see themselves as great at doing any homework because of course, wonderful!!

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so no, for this as for the very first point above, that should be an option that *you* offer on *your* decision, not theirs.

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there might be more but meanwhile my morning slot is gone, sheesh. We can talk of it later.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-06#1020242 - glad to hear it.

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Logged on 2020-03-06 16:36:13 jfw: diana_coman: I'll spare you the excuses and "buts" coming to mind and get back to showing on time.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-06#1020243 - perhaps use this cost to your advantage ie keep it in mind upfront so you don't end up in the situation where you pay it yet again; it's perhaps not in itself productive, but it comes from a healthy need to analyse that fuckup so -hopefully- it doesn't repeat, so perhaps not wasted either.

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Logged on 2020-03-06 16:50:12 jfw: 20 minutes later I'm still feeling down about that fuckup and haven't got another word written. It's like there's a thing that thinks "I can compensate for wasting others' time by wasting more of my own"

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jfw waves, reads log closer.

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dorion: comment in your modq; and meant to say - it's worth perhaps checking the modq regularly really.

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jfw: do those points make sense to you as they are?

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diana_coman: great explanation, makes sense to me now. And I get the biting tongue - I conflated the aspects of learning speed versus reliability.

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and ack on using the cost to my advantage, could work.

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cool; meant to add there just in case it's not clear - this doesn't mean you can't still set homework (esp if you already sold it as "with homework") - for one thing those who do it will benefit anyway, for the other it's not much trouble for you in itself; only don't build it on the shaky foundation that giving the homework will have a visible effect, pretty much,

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right

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jfw: unrelated, I quite enjoyed the detailed methodology description for your latest article, heh.

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diana_coman: thanks

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BingoBoingo: when is your eta for that plan? or are you still iterating it or what's the status there?

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diana_coman: I'll have the next (potentially final) draft of the plan out sometime before sleeping tonight.

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BingoBoingo: was this your plan or is it triggered now by my ping on it?

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diana_coman: It's been the plan to finish the draft today and hopefully have little on the plate tomorrow for reviewing the week and planning the next.

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ok then.

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I've been setting the plan down a bit more to freshen the eyes each draft lest they autofill in things during the reading that I haven't actually written into it (or fail to pick up spelling errors, missing words, etc)

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dorion

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-07#1020267 - thanks, approved and will ping you when responded this pm and check with more regularity.

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Logged on 2020-03-07 15:25:10 diana_coman: dorion: comment in your modq; and meant to say - it's worth perhaps checking the modq regularly really.

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dorion: no need to ping, feedbot should do that for me, so no worries there.

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dorion

right, right.

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BingoBoingo: that sounds right; my q was mainly as your blog has been rather quiet and so it's hard to say if/what is moving forwards, at what pace/whether anything stuck, etc.

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and given 100% experience to date around here, I ask to save the time, yes.

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diana_coman: Thank you. I've been hesitant to publish anything on the blog until the plan has been polished. Getting more proactive with the communication across all the fronts is going to have to go on the "to improve list"

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np

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My impression so far is that this week's been better than last, even with the bureaucratic time sink stretching well outside its allowance.

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But, that impression is open to change when I sit down to actually digest the notes tomorrow.

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BingoBoingo: well, the review should show in clear whether better or worse and where + why; that's one of its roles anyway.

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aha

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Anyways, after I get everything set down this evening, the plan for tomorrow is 1. read the notes 2. Weather permitting, wander over to the feria and get the blood moving 3. review, plan 4. Receive thimbronion's contribution.

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Then Monday pick everything else up from where I left them Saturday evening.

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sounds reasonable.

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oh say, lobbes: I've got 'not found' errors from archive.is on a couple attempted zip downloads recently; does your process notice these?

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lobbes

jfw: Hm, you know I was going to say "I'd have to check the process logs" but then I realize I'm not logging my output. Next time I pull the crank I'll divert the output to a textfile

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lobbes

I've definitely noticed weirdness from archive.is though, so wouldn't surprise me

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