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01:38 dorion d41r why did you link it then ?
01:43 d41r to see who asks what it is
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02:29 whaack d41r: being “clever” is dangerous around here. why not try and really think about the answer to the question:_why_ did you link it? do you think that tool has some actual utility? were you curious to see the people in this channel’s evaluation of the tool? were you just trying to get a reaction?
~ 55 minutes ~
03:24 whaack jfw and dorion: i'm booking flights to Panama for April 2nd - April 9th, i hope you two around around then :)
~ 1 hours 35 minutes ~
04:59 lobbes dorion: just to explicitly state it somewhere: I'm pulling off of tmsr os work for now while I sort out some other priorities.
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06:19 whaack s/around around/are around/
06:22 whaack diana_coman: EOD Report: I made some more progress setting up my comp, finishing eulora, installing gnat and gprbuild, and getting jfw's yrc client running. I spent a decent chunk of time on The Odyssey article since as mentioned I had nothing prepped from yesterday. I'm going to return to focusing on TheFleet tomorrow.
~ 1 hours 27 minutes ~
07:49 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-05#1017535 - are you some sort of nut? vim.cx the site that does shit in your browser and "I only do this to see who does that", jeez.
07:49 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-05 21:55:15 d41r: to see who asks what it is
07:54 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-06#1017540 - sounds ok.
07:54 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-06 02:34:36 whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: I made some more progress setting up my comp, finishing eulora, installing gnat and gprbuild, and getting jfw's yrc client running. I spent a decent chunk of time on The Odyssey article since as mentioned I had nothing prepped from yesterday. I'm going to return to focusing on TheFleet tomorrow.
07:57 diana_coman thimbronion: since you seem to quite enjoy the qntra writing, maybe think of taking BingoBoingo's course then?
08:02 diana_coman dorion: why's that Ode to Joy article late since you already recorded the piece anyway?
08:02 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-05 15:15:46 dorion: finally, recorded the harmonica piece, ode to joy, last night.
08:06 diana_coman dorion: it's rather impossible to follow there too since there was the draft of tmsor dependencies page due Tuesday meanwhile moved to Friday, the draf conf presentation that is hanging somewhere this week too, additional comments to publish supposedly, the ode to joy due yest and silently missed, the deaths article due today supposedly (though not that expectedly anymore ...
08:06 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-05 17:12:17 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-05#1017365 - Friday is feasible for the draft. I will want feedback, but it's not a big rush. people are working through backlogs already and trinque has a specification planned as part 5 of his series.
08:06 diana_coman ... given the backlog), it's a whole list already.
08:07 diana_coman is anything going to get done today?
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13:01 diana_coman whaack: comment in your modq
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14:53 d41r diana_coman: http://dpaste.com/194PW3Y.txt
15:01 diana_coman d41r: do me a favour and paste it on paste.deedbot.org, will you?
15:09 d41r trinque: https://0x0.st/iic8.png
15:09 d41r shouldn't you change it too?
15:13 d41r diana_coman: paste.deedbot.org doesn't have an api
15:13 d41r or does it?
15:15 diana_coman d41r: you can send to it with your favourite script, it's basic http, not sure what are you after there.
15:15 diana_coman need something more complicated for a paste?
15:15 d41r nah, it's ok
~ 15 minutes ~
15:30 BingoBoingo curl, it's a tool
15:32 d41r BingoBoingo: how do you get the server response with curl after POST?
15:34 BingoBoingo iirc -d opens possibilities, but this is one of the things I'm not very strong with
15:36 d41r dpaste.com's api allows me to script the whole thing
15:37 d41r paste.deedbot.org on the other hand forces me to use a browser-like library that will refresh the "page" in order to get a response from the server
15:37 BingoBoingo Ah "Expect: 100-continue"
15:40 d41r oh, thanks, let me check that out
15:40 * BingoBoingo will have to look into this. Apparently there's a -L flag for redirects and all sorts of knobs for going beyond the basics.
15:44 whaack diana_coman: approved
15:45 diana_coman spyked: can I have feedbot announce ossasepia articles in here too, please?
15:46 spyked diana_coman, was just getting to some feedbot updates, I'll add it in a moment
15:47 diana_coman spyked: yay, thank you!
15:51 diana_coman whaack: thanks; do you know of the distinction I'm talking about in that comment?
15:54 whaack diana_coman: as in the distinction of being vs doing? I thought there was no distinction, what you do defines who you are.
15:55 whaack i am reading the links atm
15:55 spyked diana_coman: aand done! yw
15:55 diana_coman whaack: aha, read then, there's a lot to it.
16:07 d41r BingoBoingo: # curl -si -X POST -F "pastebox=$MSG_TEXT" http://paste.deedbot.org/ | grep Location | sed 's/Location: //'
16:12 whaack diana_coman: alright i'm on it. a little trilema and a little ossasepia is a nice way to start the day. chewing on http://trilema.com/2016/the-burial-and-the-impossible-object/ atm.
16:20 BingoBoingo d41r: Nice, congrats
16:22 BingoBoingo d41r: Anyways, the system comes with tools. Something I'm trying to work on myself is getting a better grasp of how to use those tools. It smooths the workflow and prevents constantly reinventing the wheel
16:23 d41r what system?
16:26 BingoBoingo d41r: Ones that aren't Windows
16:26 d41r diana_coman: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=EpTj
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17:34 diana_coman d41r: heh, it took a whole one line to replace a full api you were looking for, right?
~ 36 minutes ~
18:11 thimbronion diana_coman: I will consider it. I have the flu or something like that today so I will be a bit unresponsive.
18:13 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-06#1017551 - yeah, I let it turn into a mess that's getting cleaned up today.
18:13 ossabot Logged on 2020-02-06 04:19:54 diana_coman: is anything going to get done today?
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18:48 d41r what are you guys working on?
~ 30 minutes ~
19:19 diana_coman d41r: taking over the world!
19:19 diana_coman see the blogs, people are writing there about what they are doing, no?
19:19 diana_coman d41r: what are you working on and/or where do you write about it?
~ 25 minutes ~
19:45 d41r i do not write
19:47 diana_coman and you do not answer; and you do not talk either; so dunno, what do you want from being here?
19:50 d41r what? i do answer
19:50 d41r and talk
19:50 diana_coman d41r: selectively, lol
19:50 d41r well, i'm shy, ok?
19:51 d41r right now i'm writing this script to facilitate sending and receiving gpg messages
19:52 d41r http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=38Cn
19:53 diana_coman d41r: there is some tension between convenience and protecting your private key, you know?
19:53 d41r what do you mean?
19:54 diana_coman your private key is your identity around here because think of it, how can anyone know it's "you" ?
19:54 d41r don't you like the script? is that what you mean?
19:55 d41r i don't think it poses any risk to private keys
19:55 diana_coman d41r: what I mean is exactly what I say: there's that tension and it seems you don't even realise it.
19:55 d41r why do you assume that?
19:56 diana_coman what assumption do you think I'm making?
19:56 d41r that i don't even realising such obvious thing
19:56 d41r *i'm not
19:56 diana_coman ah, all right then, good for you.
19:56 diana_coman see, it's enough to say it and I'll gladly correct.
19:57 diana_coman d41r: what do you think poses a risk to private keys?
20:04 BingoBoingo d41r: I'm going to assume you've been indoctrinated with the "anonymity good" fashion popular in other parts, so I'm going to ask you age in a low resolution way. Are you a zoomer, millenial, gen X-er, boomer, or ancient
20:06 diana_coman BingoBoingo: I wouldn't be able to answer that question myself, lolz.
20:06 diana_coman he could just give it in whatever interval he's fine with, numbers are still numbers.
20:07 BingoBoingo diana_coman: lol, that's a point
20:08 diana_coman d41r: don't be shy, there's no need for it.
20:08 d41r http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XjnZ ok, done, I hope it helps someone some day
20:09 diana_coman d41r: well, being on a paste, it will be gone in 24 hours or so, you know? otoh if you had a blog and wrote it there, it would stay there and maybe indeed be of some use to someone some day; why pass on your own work accumulating benefits for yourself?
20:11 d41r (i'm afraid i know what the answer will look like but..) what about git?
20:11 diana_coman d41r: git means it's someone else who gets the accumulated benefit of your work such as it is, you know?
20:12 diana_coman d41r: are you really looking for someone to own you ?
20:13 d41r isn't that the case with a blog as well?
20:13 diana_coman d41r: if it's *yours*, how can it be?
20:13 d41r what do you mean by "yours"? i'll have to host it somewhere ,right?
20:14 d41r or you mean gpg signing every new entry?
20:14 diana_coman d41r: hosting it somewhere simply means that you rent some space for it; how does that make it not yours? if something happens, you move somewhere else.
20:14 d41r isn't that the same with git hosting services?
20:14 diana_coman d41r: V patches are signed and for good reasons; but otherwise no, I don't mean signing all text.
20:15 d41r mm ok
20:15 diana_coman d41r: no, it's not the same.
20:15 diana_coman because you do not have any control over github and moreover you are effectively the goat in that pen or how you prefer to put it
20:15 d41r for example, i get sick of microsoft ruinning github, i can migrate pretty easily my repo to codeberg.org or gitea.snopyta.org
20:16 diana_coman d41r: but more directly: why are you so much against actually owning /controlling anything?
20:16 diana_coman d41r: ie you go from one pen to another and that's ok because god forbid you actually ever make your own house where you get to be the master, is that the idea?
20:16 d41r i do own my repo, on my computer, the "host" (in this case codeberg.org or whichever i upload to) is only a mirror/hub
20:18 diana_coman ah, you are fine to own, just as long as it's in private ie nobody can really care about it?
20:18 d41r well, that's a good point
20:19 d41r writing about what you do makes your work become popular eventually (or not, if it sucks)
20:19 diana_coman d41r: there's even more benefit than just that really.
20:19 d41r and even if it doesn't become popular, it's good having feedback
20:20 diana_coman d41r: after all, think of...how you found this place here; would you have found it you think if I and everyone else around here kept our stuff private because reasons?
20:20 diana_coman yes, feedback, getting to know people you actually might want to know and/or work with, and that's still just for starters.
20:21 d41r there are things that i prefer to stay private, but whatever i work on, i'm fine with letting the world know
20:21 diana_coman d41r: what/why are you not fine with having your own site for showcasing it though?
20:22 d41r i'm fine with that, yeah
20:22 diana_coman so set it up and let me know url + ip, I'll come and visit, what.
20:23 d41r i plan to publish a website on a decentralized platform that i'm working on, based on ipfs and blockchain
20:23 diana_coman oh dear
20:24 diana_coman d41r: is that OTR plugin something you work/worked on?
20:24 d41r (why did i know that you weren't gonna like it)
20:24 diana_coman possibly because I have clear causes for my likes and dislikes, did it occur to you?
20:24 diana_coman heh
20:25 d41r no, OTR is pretty standard stuff, it's old tech actually, people are moving to more recent developments like Old and Megolm
20:25 d41r OMEMO still has some traction
20:25 diana_coman ahahaha
20:26 d41r I like OTR more because it's truly end-to-end
20:26 diana_coman obviously
20:26 diana_coman d41r: does that "move to more recent developments" ring absolutely no problem bells for you?
20:26 d41r absolutely yes
20:27 d41r i mean, i hate Matrix, for example, and ipfs to some extent
20:27 d41r ipfs however does what i need, gonna use it until something better appears
20:28 diana_coman d41r: uhm, I'm happily ignorant of any need to use ipfs or whatever other similars.
20:28 d41r newer/frequently-updated doesn't mean "good"
20:28 d41r bittorrent? ipfs is similar
20:28 diana_coman d41r: nevertheless you seem very much in the know with the newer stuff and that takes time and resources so ..why spend them there at all.
20:29 diana_coman I still don't see the need, lol.
20:29 d41r well, that's true, it takes a lot of time, and it is tiresome some times
20:30 diana_coman d41r: so...don't do it, you know? nothing to gain, lots to lose; and there's no single second of your own time that you'll ever get back.
20:31 diana_coman d41r: are you 30+ by any chance?
20:31 d41r it doesn't matter, don't be an ageist ^^
20:31 diana_coman d41r: it fits your actions and outlook, it's not about ageist.
20:32 diana_coman and do note that "don't be an x-ist" is such a poor cover that it's almost sad really.
20:38 d41r diana_coman: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=NnAx
20:42 diana_coman d41r: do you plan on sending me a string of gpg-grams?
20:42 d41r ehe, encrypted with your public key, you can decrypt it
20:43 diana_coman sure I *can*; question is ...why should I?
20:45 d41r you may choose not to, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, hehe
20:45 diana_coman d41r: how is it a risk?
20:46 diana_coman and seriously, my question above is genuine; while I'm open and willing to talk to you to find such reasons, I'm not going now to decrypt everything everyone throws at me, why would I.
20:47 d41r don't do it if you don't wish, no worries
20:47 diana_coman can't say I follow your reasoning there but...ok.
20:54 d41r http://wot.deedbot.org/D.html how to get my key listed there?
20:55 diana_coman d41r: if you registered your key with deedbot it will get there, it just takes some time until it updates the site.
20:56 d41r ok, I'll wait the most serenly.
20:56 diana_coman well, you can fret if you prefer.
20:57 d41r ^^
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