#ossasepia | 2020-02-01

arguably someone's wrong if such a tiny thing is being branched

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whaack: it aggressively rejoins channels because it was built to handle the voice model and "be in channel at all costs" was a goal of mine.

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I'd certainly sign a patch that made that a constructor flag, :rejoin t or something

01:08

also would love an explanation of the bug you found!

01:08

I bet this has plaged the thing for a long time if so.

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trinque: alright, i can make my vpatch make the rejoin channels feature be set by a flag

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I think it's important to differentiate between two reasonable use-cases, and fundamental disagreement about design.

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I think the former is appropriate as a flag, and the latter *must* be a fork in the V-tree

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trinque: I explained the bug briefly in #o but i'll have it in an article going over it in more detail likely by tomorrow evening along with the vpatch

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Logged on 2020-01-04 22:56:08 whaack: trinque: I think I may understand this if you never got around to it. The thread that normally calls ircbot-reconnect is the ircbot-ping-thread. However the ping-thread commits suicide because ircbot-disconnect calls (sb-thread:terminate-thread (ircbot-ping-thread bot)) . So when the ping thread calls ircbot-reconnect after calling ircbot-disconnect it never

01:16

trinque: makes sense re two use-cases and disagreement. That said I can't say I really understand your use case - I didn't know that the voice model kicks people from channel

01:26

I didn't want "oops I accidentally kicked the bot" to require human interaction.

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04:13

diana_coman: EOD Report: I continued this morning reading about computer arch. Then I fixed the bug in ircbot, and I have a terse solution on top of the fix that should make the reconnect functionality more robust. I don't have a keccak vdiff tool at the moment (i can press keccak, but not actually make keccak vpatches - I may write my own as an exercise.) Lastly I spent a large amount of time trying to get my computer connected. I

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made the mistake of manaloning and attempting solutions that took time and gave me nothing in return. I am now going through a guide on networking, learning the commands jfw mentioned.

04:20

From debugging my problem I've found that my computer is able to receive packets from my router, but is not able to send them out. I tried to install another driver for my realtek NIC (I am currently using r8169, but some forum conversations have said to try r8168). I ran into errors trying to build r8168 and learned I had to ferry over my kernel-specific kernel-devel and kernel-header rpm and install those. I did that, but now I n

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eed to choose a gcc to install (and would like advice on this.)

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04:43

ah. I am now able to ping my router. I did this by plugging my ethernet cable into a ethernet->usb converter. I had tried this before (to debug the hardware) but I did not properly configure the new network device the first time.

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whaack: what is the choice you're facing with gcc, does centos 6 ship multiple versions?

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jfw: centos6 minimal shipped with no version

04:49

that's why I asked what they ship, not what you picked up so far ;)

04:51

ah sorry, yeah i realize now. The concept of an os having a stable repository is new to me

04:51

jfw: looks like it's v4.4.7

04:52

sounds good then.

04:53

jfw: cool, gn!

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08:21

feedbot

http://younghands.club/2020/02/01/rmd-review-jan-25th-31st-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- RMD review, Jan 25th-31st, 2020

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feedbot

http://younghands.club/2020/02/01/rmd-plan-feb-1st-7th-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- RMD plan, Feb 1st-7th, 2020

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12:24

spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-31#1016735 <-- yeah, this got feedbot temp-banned back in the day, not sure if I want it there myself

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Logged on 2020-01-31 12:30:05 whaack: spyked: that seems reasonable. btw, any chance you know why ircbot immediately rejoins a channel when it is kicked? I can't see why that behavior would be desired, and the multiple channels version rejoins all channels when kicked from 1 channel certainly makes no sense.

12:24

(trilema) 2018-11-26 mircea_popescu: there's no other way here, is there.

12:27

spyked

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-31#1016741 <-- makes sense, even though I'm not sure myself if ircbot-multiple-channels-corrected is too soon. so far every person who started implementing their stuff went directly on top of ircbot... maybe unexaminedly, so indeed worth looking at.

12:27

Logged on 2020-01-31 21:18:36 trinque: spyked: I'd be willing to at least question whether what's already there can be generalized for people's use-cases, rather than branching the thing so soon

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16:24

spyked: kinda points to my having coupled it to postgres being a bad design, neh?

16:25

rather than giving it a clean interface, and then written a second proggy as the glue between the two

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16:51

whaack, do you still have this pain? Seems like a tool or usage problem, I had no such difficulties blogging python-with-tabs, and the indentation would be important for legibility for any language

16:51

(trilema) 2019-12-29 whaack: trinque: pasting chunks of python code is also a pain given the blocks-created-by-tabs design

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jfw: I haven't been pasting around chunks of python in a while. If you're pasting python code always to the same place / using the tools, then you can set the tools' knobs the right way and there's no problem. The issue arises when you want to send a small snippet of code over a medium not normally used for sharing code, such as in an irc message.

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I see the argument though that you should never do this, or that if you need to you can always paste the code with paste.deedbot.org/ etc.

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whaack: no I can see it; the enforced newlines/indents is an artificial constraint that reduces your options. Though I suppose that's simultaneously the argument for it

17:05

but it comes up also in the "why can't I have working lambda?" "because guido couldn't figure out how to make it pretty enough for his style"

17:06

dorion

lol

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19:27

Seeing as how I'm just starting now, I've got about zero chance of finishing review and plan by my 21:00 UTC deadline.

19:32

Then I'm occupied this evening. Really given http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-29#1016567 I should have started yesterday in order to finish today. I will treat the work time now as the preparing part and aim to leave myself a good start for tomorrow.

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