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04:14 lobbes diana_coman: just to update before I head to sleep: I'm definitely behind a bit with the logger work, but still progressing. I toiled a bit today because the server wasn't accepting connections via port 6667 (for IRC). Turns out it had a firewall already installed (firewalld), yet even after adding the port I still can't establish an IRC connection from the server
04:14 lobbes So tomorrow morning I need to either dig deeper into understanding firewalls and iptable rules (the latter because from what I gather firewalld is just a interface for iptables), or else I just say 'fuck it' and connect the bot to a znc instance instead (since I can set that up to take connections from whatever port).
04:14 * lobbes me will look at the above 'either/or' again tomorrow with a fresher mind
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04:50 whaack diana_coman: EOD Report: Working on the fleetbot pseudo code article ate up the whole day. I finished a reviewed draft but I don't have time for the 1hr+ wait then review, so i will review tomorrow morning and then pbulish.
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08:38 diana_coman lobbes: what's that firewalld? it's first time I hear of it, is that a centos7 thing? ftr on centos6 I always had at most iptables (and at times not even that is really needed, depending on what you want with the machine exactly).
08:38 diana_coman whaack: pbulish ahead!
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12:59 diana_coman BingoBoingo: meant to say: do speak up if there's any way I can help; journalism is not something I know all that much about but if you think it helps to bounce off some ideas or anything, just speak
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13:47 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Thank you.
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19:28 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-25#1016182 - alive indeed. yesterday paid off some sleep debt incured friday from svg article, but enjoying the mtn climb today.
19:28 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-25 15:51:21 diana_coman: dorion: you alive under that mountain of writing you set for yourself for this weekend? lolz
19:33 * dorion indulges impulse to play "country roads" then "rocky mountain high"
19:37 diana_coman ahaha, that's back to 15, lolz
19:39 diana_coman lobbes: you around?
19:40 diana_coman dorion: is that tmsr-os going to cause some more sleep debt today?
19:43 dorion diana_coman I think I have a good handle on it, plus it's not yet 15:00 here.
19:47 diana_coman dorion: while I'm sure that's true, the best answer to that sort of question goes along the lines of "there's still x, y, z to do/at s stage and those should not take more than h hours so that leaves me a buffer of p hours counting from 3pm here to end of day/whatever hour"
19:59 lobbes diana_coman: I am around now. Sorry about that
20:01 diana_coman lobbes: well, you have first to answer MP in #t for quite a few things so maybe do that first anyway
20:03 lobbes diana_coman: will do
20:04 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-26#1016212 << centos7 yeah, and firewalld is apparently a daemon managing firewalls. Though even turning it off doesn't solve the port-being-blocked issue, so I suspect something else is afoot
20:04 ericbot Logged on 2020-01-26 08:42:38 diana_coman: lobbes: what's that firewalld? it's first time I hear of it, is that a centos7 thing? ftr on centos6 I always had at most iptables (and at times not even that is really needed, depending on what you want with the machine exactly).
20:04 lobbes ^^ I had that queued so figured I'd respond now
20:12 diana_coman lobbes: centos 7 already brings in systemd so yeah, expect all sorts; that being said, if it's a virtual machine you have there, iirc on centos there is at times some additional mess with "containers-wtf" so that's another possible addition to your tower of problems.
20:13 lobbes diana_coman: hm okay, yeah that sounds like it could take me some time to figure out
20:14 diana_coman lobbes: you can at least check relatively easily aka simply turn off iptables and firewalld and whatever other firewall you have already and see if that sorts it out at least
20:15 diana_coman but dunno, I'd have thought you were trying to keep things *simple* since even then they are enough of a headache
20:15 lobbes diana_coman: turning off firewalld didn't help things, though I didn't try also turning off iptables. I will try that
20:17 diana_coman lobbes: lolz; listen, this is basic: when you want to figure out the culprit, you *walk the whole chain* until you find the exact place; ie sure, start from whichever end but don't do just one thing and then walk away; so: either you turn off one by one *everything if need be* or you start with everything off and then add them back one by one until you find it.
20:18 lobbes diana_coman: yeah this makes sense. I was doing the haphazard jumping around thing instead of sane reasoning
20:19 diana_coman dunno people, did those jumping arounds *ever* worked for any of you?
20:19 diana_coman lozl
20:21 lobbes sometimes my issue is I don't know the whole chain even, but instead of trying to understand the chain I start doing the 'shamanism'
20:22 lobbes *shamanism thing
20:22 lobbes indeed, never works out
20:22 diana_coman lobbes: it's a huge waste of time really, even if it may feel different
20:23 whaack I would say that jumping around is a skill I've mistakenly been honing my whole life.
20:24 diana_coman whaack: at least it's a ...methodical jumping!
20:24 diana_coman lolz
20:24 whaack It's an art in and of itself, even if completely misguided. How fast can you bang your head and then find another place to bang your head until you've determined where things are in the room?
20:24 whaack exactly lol
20:25 diana_coman gives a whole new meaning to using one's head!
20:26 diana_coman lobbes: was it that they didn't have centos 6 anymore or why 7 anyway?
20:27 lobbes diana_coman: honestly I wasn't sure the difference between 6 and 7; I'd never used either
20:27 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-26#1016223 - thanks. I have the outline done and intro drafted. filling in the remainder of the outline primarily involves gathering the relevant links. I'm aiming to get it done by 18:30 here. then I will take a break for other things from 18:30-20:00 and have 20:00-21:30 as a buffer. aiming to be offline by 21:30 and asleep by 22:00.
20:27 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-26 15:58:41 diana_coman: dorion: while I'm sure that's true, the best answer to that sort of question goes along the lines of "there's still x, y, z to do/at s stage and those should not take more than h hours so that leaves me a buffer of p hours counting from 3pm here to end of day/whatever hour"
20:28 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-26#1016246 - my favorite hs math teacher had a bullseye on one of his walls with, "bang head here." written on it. lol.
20:28 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-26 16:35:37 whaack: It's an art in and of itself, even if completely misguided. How fast can you bang your head and then find another place to bang your head until you've determined where things are in the room?
20:30 diana_coman dorion: wait, is that the review & plan you are talking about, right?
20:30 diana_coman outline + intro fine; how is the filling mainly links though?
20:43 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-26#1016239 - btw, this is not a problem in itself; if you don't know the whole chain, then you'll discover it by brute force even, if need be, what; sure, ideally you figure out the chain first but if that's a too high step to even start with, then just turn the damn things off ONE BY ONE - you'll still find out more about them that way.
20:43 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-26 16:33:23 lobbes: sometimes my issue is I don't know the whole chain even, but instead of trying to understand the chain I start doing the 'shamanism'
20:44 diana_coman there is the fact that on some things nobody really wants to find out all that much, granted; but that's a consideration for an earlier point in this story.
20:48 lobbes diana_coman: this makes sense
20:50 dorion diana_coman yes, I'm working on the tmsr os review and plan. the outline is fairly comprehensive, full grammatical sentences, so even that there is more to write, I have a good idea of what's to be said. thus, I anticipate most of the time to be consumed digging out the links to reference what's being said.
20:53 diana_coman dorion: hm, all right.
20:59 diana_coman whaack: if you provide a table of contents then do it properly and make those items links to the right place in the text.
21:00 diana_coman don't do things by half, it's ~always a losing strategy.
21:00 whaack diana_coman: Noted, I will fix that right now.
21:09 diana_coman whaack: aaargh, do not do the "we send" "we receive" "we ..."
21:10 diana_coman either own it that you do it or name the code/bot that does it.
21:11 whaack i see the ugliness of that wording. the latter solution makes the most sense to me, the article is supposed to describe what the code does
21:16 diana_coman whaack: how many more lines do you reckon I get to read before I barf again? lolz
21:17 jfw hm, believe I did some of those "we"s in the gbw-node series too
21:19 whaack diana_coman: probably not many, i can see some lines that will likely cause barfing on their own, and since you're already nauseous..
21:20 lobbes diana_coman: oy, so I went to go disable iptables and it turns out it wasn't even running. Apparently firewalld is a replacement for iptables, not an interface for it like I originally thought. Now I really wish I looked into cent os 7 vs 6 before pulling the trigger on this server
21:20 lobbes In any case now I know that with iptables/firewalld off I still cannot connect via port 6667.
21:21 diana_coman whaack: ha! you mean to say that since your previous lines already made it hard for poor subsequent lines to be read...
21:23 diana_coman jfw: iirc your gbw-node series was written more like a walking the reader through the whole thing so possibly the "we" there stood for you-and-reader; it can work in that way if that's indeed how the text is built.
21:24 diana_coman that being said, if you just used it instead to hide behind it then yes, they'll stick out just as annoyingly as whaack's
21:26 diana_coman lobbes: can't they install something else or what's the thing with centos 7?
21:26 diana_coman iirc centos 6 is set to vanish this March so myeah, possibly already gone from standard menu.
21:27 lobbes diana_coman: yeah, I suppose I could get them to install something else, but I'm not even sure that *is* the problem (though probably is if 7 is systemd).
21:28 lobbes Plus, I'd need to wait for them to provision it, etc.
21:29 lobbes I tend to spin on these 'do I trade time already invested for a chance for saved time in the future' dilemmas
21:30 diana_coman lobbes: what are your criteria to decide?
21:30 diana_coman because yes, lacking clear criteria, you'll spin, of course, what *else* could you do.
21:31 diana_coman lobbes: is it a physical machine or a vm?
21:31 lobbes diana_coman: physical (rented dedicated server)
21:33 diana_coman lobbes: at any rate, note that this is not about "can't open port so I'll change OS", lolz
21:34 lobbes sure, I took it as "cent os 6 at least has less chance of towers of strange, plus more republican documentation"
21:34 lobbes but indeed, I lack proper criteria here
21:35 lobbes or at least, it isn't loaded in my head right now which I can see is a problem
21:36 diana_coman whaack: do a proper review and update of that article as really, I can't read it.
21:36 whaack diana_coman: alright
21:38 diana_coman and by review I mean the content too; remember that part with writing something to convey the meaning, not to prove that you actually read it in detail, yes?
21:38 diana_coman lobbes: where /on what did you run this before?
21:39 lobbes diana_coman: all the development was on my other server running classic Gentoo
21:39 diana_coman lobbes: what is classic gentoo anyway?
21:40 diana_coman I have trouble being able to imagine "one" gentoo as such, it's more like shifting sands
21:40 jfw diana_coman: thx for pointing out that distinction on the 'we'; not presently sure where my usage falls but will keep in mind
21:40 lobbes diana_coman: eh just Gentoo (I was trying to distinguish from Cuntoo but.. unneeded)
21:40 whaack diana_coman: yes. as you were commenting on my article I was thinking to myself "well, this is my first time writing an article like this." but it's not, I did a similar article with similar mistakes when I annotated v.py
21:41 diana_coman whaack: so what if it were first time even?
21:42 whaack diana_coman: so nothing. my mind was just racing to find a justification for having err'd
21:42 diana_coman whaack: what's a justification going to do?
21:43 diana_coman (I mean: what *good* is it going to do?)
21:43 whaack diana_coman: nothing, unless the justification reveals a problem that can be fixed
21:43 diana_coman lobbes: well, for all I know, you'll likely run into troubles (different set, sure) with centos 6 as well, mainly because of old versions of everything
21:44 diana_coman so basically you have 3 (or more) sets of problems to choose from
21:45 lobbes diana_coman: ah yeah, I do recall your version troubles with cent os 6 while standing up the logbot (which is the base for this bot anyway)
21:46 diana_coman your criteria should focus on ~which set of problems is the best choice currently given the whole context
21:46 lobbes thank you, I was about to ask how I should go about the criteria making
21:46 lobbes this makes sense
21:47 diana_coman lobbes: does it?
21:47 diana_coman whaack: the search for justification reveals a problem, certainly, lol
21:47 lobbes I think so. So in other words I need to look at each set and figure out which one I'd rather invest my time in
21:47 whaack lmao
21:48 lobbes I suppose I'd do that by finding the set that has the most 'capped' problems (ones that I can see the solution too at least)
21:48 diana_coman lobbes: eh, you're talking pure theory there
21:48 lobbes diana_coman: absolutely :P
21:51 lobbes well, then perhaps I do not understand. How do I evaluate which set of problems is the best choice ?
21:51 diana_coman lobbes: why talk pure theory, how is that going to help you really?
21:52 lobbes diana_coman: I don't have much experience, so most of what I have is theory
21:52 diana_coman I mean sure, I can let you nod at theory and get on with it
21:53 diana_coman lobbes: that above was the theory of a theory though, lolz; you don't have experience, fine, but ask how to do stuff, don't just nod that it's fine so you can then stare at it all some more (except now with a new theory behind the stare, sure)
21:53 diana_coman lobbes: what *are* the existing options anyway, that's where it starts from, practically
21:54 lobbes diana_coman: this is something I do a bit now that you mention it. This nodding along thing. I see what you mean
21:55 diana_coman list the options; list your constraints, priorities, burning fires and coming impalements (or similar); since you don't know much about either of them, you'll probably need then to ask people about the corresponding sets of problems, so you'll do that
21:56 diana_coman and if you don't want to burn, you'll probably at the very least keep people (the relevant people!) informed too
21:56 lobbes diana_coman: okay. I may make this into a mini-article while I'm at it
21:56 diana_coman can't hurt anything for sure
21:57 lobbes that'll also help to keep informed. okay
21:57 lobbes diana_coman: thank you as always
21:58 diana_coman lobbes: you're welcome; and if you keep quiet the whole coming week too, you'll have some additional fire coming after you.
21:59 diana_coman whaack: can the justification-problem be fixed?
21:59 lobbes diana_coman: I can definitely hear the impalements being sharpened in the distance. I'll make sure to speak up
22:00 lobbes I'm going to step away from the terminal for a bit, but will return to get that options list (and review/plan) out tonight
22:00 diana_coman sounds very sensible indeed.
22:01 diana_coman whaack: do search for causes; do not search for justifications.
22:01 * diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
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22:18 auctionbot S#1077 O=17mn LB=None E=2020-01-29 05:43:03.567830 (49h28) >>> Dell R610 PE Server ships from U.S. (Server-A) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
22:18 auctionbot S#1078 O=17mn LB=18mn E=2020-01-29 05:43:42.679910 (49h28) >>> Dell R610 PE Server ships from Uruguay (Server-B) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
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