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00:27 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015800 - I have my doubts but maybe I'll try it some time.
00:27 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-22 19:04:59 diana_coman: jfw: heh, one way to make all that avoidance work for you is to set it up explicitly (need to do task A you hate? cool, set up task B that you hate even more!)
00:35 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015801 - while I read some #t log following a reference, I did not do the methodical catchup that was planned. Thus I did not have log to summarize today so returned to previous article plans. (Or am I misunderstanding that summary assignment?)
00:35 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-22 19:05:17 diana_coman: but anyway, why didn't you make the summary of what you read?
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04:05 whaack diana_coman: Completed my saltmine hours, and did my writing / Spanish study. I went a little under time on the 2h i had dedicated to 'setting up my computer.' Tomorrow I will publish a plan for setting up software on my new machine.
04:19 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015820 << to update, I got this straightened out. At least they were quick about it
04:20 ericbot Logged on 2020-01-22 23:30:28 lobbes: At least it is almost start of business in Malaysia so I ought to be able to get a hold of a human soon.. ugh
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07:18 auctionbot S#1077 O=17mn LB=None E=2020-01-29 05:43:03.567830 (136h28) >>> Dell R610 PE Server ships from U.S. (Server-A) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
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07:25 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015809 - what doubts exactly? spell them out, maybe there is something to them or maybe it highlights a different trouble.
07:25 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-22 20:38:17 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015800 - I have my doubts but maybe I'll try it some time.
07:27 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015811 - ah, the way you said it earlier it sounded like you did precisely some #t catchup; don't you have exactly that in plan somewhere too anyway/
07:27 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-22 20:46:09 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015801 - while I read some #t log following a reference, I did not do the methodical catchup that was planned. Thus I did not have log to summarize today so returned to previous article plans. (Or am I misunderstanding that summary assignment?)
07:27 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-22 17:47:49 jfw: I find I was not very productive yesterday. While I got a fair amount of reading in, I believe I used this in part as avoidance of getting started on writing; then there was stupidity worshipping in the same vein; and snowballing by not wanting to admit failure there thus not getting to other priorities either.
07:35 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015817 - glad to hear it; but myeah, that's exactly the sort of expected nonsense otherwise.
07:35 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 00:31:08 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-22#1015820 << to update, I got this straightened out. At least they were quick about it
07:35 ossabot (trilema) 2019-11-21 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951637 - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).
07:35 ericbot Logged on 2020-01-22 23:30:28 lobbes: At least it is almost start of business in Malaysia so I ought to be able to get a hold of a human soon.. ugh
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12:18 auctionbot S#1078 O=17mn LB=18mn E=2020-01-29 05:43:42.679910 (131h28) >>> Dell R610 PE Server ships from Uruguay (Server-B) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
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15:04 jfw diana_coman: trying to spell out that doubt then - I would not be "fooled" by setting up task B: I'd know it's a ploy to make task A seem more attractive by comparison; or if I did see B as truly urgent, I'd end up all the more glum for having both on the plate but not touch A because B was more important.
15:07 jfw and yes, catchup is a big thing in the plan.
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16:10 dorion jfw how goes today ?
16:10 diana_coman jfw: hm, you don't seem to quite get the idea though: it's not even meant to "fool", no, and it's not about more important either.
16:11 dorion jfw putting a bit of our phone call last night in public, your last couple updates read to me like you're being a bit hard on yourself.
16:11 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-22 17:47:49 jfw: I find I was not very productive yesterday. While I got a fair amount of reading in, I believe I used this in part as avoidance of getting started on writing; then there was stupidity worshipping in the same vein; and snowballing by not wanting to admit failure there thus not getting to other priorities either.
16:11 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-19 17:31:43 jfw: I also let myself get worked up / stressed yesterday from being again behind on my plan. And hesitated to speak up along the way because of... perhaps some shame at how slow things were going plus a vain hope that I'd somehow still get it all in.
16:11 dorion I don't question that you're being honest, but seems like your focusing too much on the struggles and losing sight of the big picture.
16:11 dorion people are still getting caught up with what you've published these last months and you still have gems yet unpublished, e.g. gales scheme.
16:11 dorion I read the wtf part of diana_coman's comment to me about stressing meaning everyone here ought to take it into consideration.
16:11 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-19 16:58:18 diana_coman: no need to *get to the stress* even, wtf.
16:11 diana_coman jfw: *are* you getting all that glum there?
16:12 dorion there's a mountain range of work for everyone here that's going to take months and years to get through and you can't expect to be on 100 every week/day/hour/minute.
16:13 dorion so try on being patient and shift to setting yourself up so that if you don't wanna do xyz or one day, do abc to make the day positive and keep yourself positive and not stressed and come back to xyz when ready. if that means xyz is going to miss your estimate, talk about it, change the estimate if needed, calm yourself and get to it.
16:13 dorion also, you're often more ready than you think you are, the mind can play tricks and quiets down once you actually start.
16:14 dorion in various performances they call it butterflies, sports is what I'm most familiar with. you're in your head imagining the game before you're in it and can get off to a shaky start. but once you settle into the game you stop thinking about it and find the flow.
16:14 dorion fin
16:14 diana_coman jfw: listen to your manager there!
16:15 dorion and serendipitously
16:15 ossabot (trilema) 2020-01-23 mircea_popescu: being smart and having interesting work are the only cure to writer's block yet found or ever liable to be known
16:16 diana_coman also, valid for everyone really: while I do pay attention to you to figure out way more than you say, it *does* work way better and it does help *a lot* if you actually provide feedback too rather than waiting for me to know it all.
16:17 * diana_coman needs to go but will be back later to add to this.
16:19 dorion diana_coman plus the opportunity cost of you reading between the lines saves your cycles for even higher quality feedback/insights.
16:19 dorion hasta luego.
16:27 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015845 - part of his strong arm is seeing negatives/mitigating risks - doesn't mean he hasn't helped me see positives where I was focusing on negatives - but sometimes he expects from his weak arm feats his strong arm can do.
16:27 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 12:23:01 diana_coman: jfw: *are* you getting all that glum there?
16:35 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-19#1015515 - pretty much hits the nail on the head. back in 2015 I was reading the logs knowing it was important but drinking through a fire hose barely knowing wtf was going on. our friendship gained momentum by going for golden hour walks where he'd explain wonders like static linking to me, lol.
16:35 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-19 17:49:42 diana_coman: I guess dorion goes for the scan, you go for the deep dive, on average it balances out all right over some cervezas or something, there's that possibility too.
16:39 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-19#1015493 - the mentions are a starting point to cut to the chase. if ~others~ think you've missed important context, I'm sure they'll link you.
16:39 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-19 17:35:40 jfw: dorion suggested prioritizing that by search for mentions. I suppose I've hesitated on that too because I worry I'd still miss too much context
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19:21 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015858 - linked at the root with not being all that comfortable with handling uncertainty
19:21 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 12:38:26 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015845 - part of his strong arm is seeing negatives/mitigating risks - doesn't mean he hasn't helped me see positives where I was focusing on negatives - but sometimes he expects from his weak arm feats his strong arm can do.
19:22 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015862 - dorion do note though that this has its downside too in that you are shifting some costs on those others and taken to that extreme as a usual thing it's not a great thing either.
19:22 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 12:50:24 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-19#1015493 - the mentions are a starting point to cut to the chase. if ~others~ think you've missed important context, I'm sure they'll link you.
19:23 diana_coman as everywhere, some balance works better really
19:24 diana_coman jfw: what was your writing/reading plan today and how did that go?
19:35 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015837 - to flesh this out some more: dragging your feet on getting started on something is still a signal (others call it at times laziness, plenty of ways to call it too)
19:35 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 12:21:51 diana_coman: jfw: hm, you don't seem to quite get the idea though: it's not even meant to "fool", no, and it's not about more important either.
19:35 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-05 16:08:46 diana_coman: laziness is essentially just a signal like many others.
19:35 diana_coman if you interpreted that as simply "I hate what I need to do for this"
19:35 diana_coman rather than "I need to sort out something else first in order to be able to start on this"
19:36 diana_coman then the answer to that is a straightforward escalation without any pretense
19:37 diana_coman perceptions/projections of the sort "I don't like it" are relative, there's no escape to that part
19:38 diana_coman hence the if you don't like that, here's worse so that you'll like it
19:38 diana_coman it is true however that the above will work *only* if you interpreted the signal correctly in the first place
19:39 diana_coman so indeed if you got that initial part wrong, then the problem is different and therefore the solution to it will be different too
19:41 diana_coman jfw: hence, it's worth indeed to have first another open minded look at the signal, sure; so - what is it you got stuck on?
19:47 diana_coman (re "ploy" and all that, note that there's no fooling, just using the existing mechanism quite on purpose; if you want a practical example of that, do that simple experiment with temperature: get some water at room temperature, some hotter and some colder; keep for a while one hand in the cold water, one in the hotter; then put both (one at a time for less confusing direct reading) in the room temperature water and see how one ...
19:47 diana_coman ... reports it "cold" and the other "warm" - while you even know why and how and everything, did the hands get "fooled" or not? the perception is what it is and gets reported as such regardless of what higher-level thinking says)
19:49 diana_coman the above could be again restated as the older "get over yourself", sure, but I think it's way better to get *on with* yourself simply.
20:00 diana_coman whaack: why /since when does blogging *require* emacs?
20:00 whaack diana_coman: well of course blogging does not require emacs explicitly...but it requires some editor and that is my editor of choice
20:00 diana_coman also, it doesn't even require a graphics stack but if you mean for pictures, then at least add to the list imagemagick or gimp or feh - whatever you plan to use to process the pictures.
20:02 diana_coman whaack: that may be, but not a reason to mix up the enumeration like that; make up your mind whether you enumerate the *sort of things you need* or your particular preferences and stick to it for the whole of one sentence at least ffs.
20:02 whaack ok noted, that was lazy writing
20:03 diana_coman it is; and it makes for nauseous reading.
20:06 diana_coman whaack: re guide for installing on centos, the fedora guide is closest basically.
20:06 diana_coman at which point I realise I never got to write-up the notes re client on centos, huh.
20:07 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015869 - right you are. to be clear, I didn't mean it should be a habit, but worth testing out as a starting point for the sake of getting caught up this time. the read every #o line was a point that blocked him from submitting back in october and I don't think he, and perhaps anyone else, regrets he didn't get 100% context.
20:07 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 15:33:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015862 - dorion do note though that this has its downside too in that you are shifting some costs on those others and taken to that extreme as a usual thing it's not a great thing either.
20:08 dorion I also said it knowing him and that he would still get context around those mentions.
20:09 diana_coman yes, he needs to practice some lighter first-pass too, for sure
20:10 whaack diana_coman: ack re installing an image processor. I plan to install a graphics stack. I will need it for eulora anyways. We discussed this prior.
20:10 ossabot Logged on 2019-12-10 16:37:46 diana_coman: whaack: for reading blogs you wouldn't need graphics absolutely, no; that being said though, you DO need ONE station with graphics, lol
20:11 whaack and okay for eulora I will start with the fedora guide
20:12 diana_coman dorion: btw, it was a pleasure to read your answer; and yes, you certainly and visibly are growing into the roles indeed; there is some more to be said on the integration part, hopefully we'll get to that soon/in a few days too.
20:16 diana_coman (sadly not today though, sorry.)
20:20 diana_coman dorion: Sunday the 27th though doesn't fit my calendar though, lol; you did this in the plan/review before so maybe check your calendar mon/sun thing; it's either Sunday 26th or Monday 27th, isn't it.
20:21 * jfw caught up here, contemplating
20:22 diana_coman jfw: take your time, I'll be around for quite a while still.
20:23 jfw dorion: appreciated both the call and the approx. restatement now for closer consideration.
20:28 dorion diana_coman fuck, lol. and you're right it's the second time in as many weeks. i miscounted in head calendar rather than issuing `cal`. sunday the 26th it'll be.
20:29 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015843 - as I understand it, stress is an effect, not cause - reducing it involves reasonable expectations & plans, working productively, and communicating
20:29 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 12:22:59 dorion: I read the wtf part of diana_coman's comment to me about stressing meaning everyone here ought to take it into consideration.
20:30 jfw (not meaning to imply you said otherwise, just stating my own thinking there)
20:32 jfw so I guess what gets to me is that I'm trying to do all those and still dropping things
20:33 jfw not expecting to hit 100% every day, but it's been more like two weeks at 50% and was shaping up to be a third
20:33 diana_coman jfw: did you count in there the fact that "trying to do all those" is currently yet-another-something-new and therefore a *task* in itself that you are taking on?
20:34 jfw hah, I suppose not
20:35 diana_coman jfw: you know, lack of practice with failure can at times bite too, lolz.
20:36 diana_coman jfw: but more to the point here, there is that set yourself up for best results at all times, it's possible, worth it and no shame at all, quite the opposite.
20:36 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-22 14:16:13 diana_coman: whaack: hm, you'll have to ask a better question really; exactly as it says: how you set yourself up in/for a situation does matter too.
20:37 jfw re failure - oh I've had practice, but perhaps was rusty! http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015845 - not too much thus far, I'm still getting back up to try again, and aware I'm getting plenty done still
20:37 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 12:23:01 diana_coman: jfw: *are* you getting all that glum there?
20:39 jfw For today I decided to start with something lighter and try writing later (just not all-the-way-later like previously)
20:39 jfw got through a couple days of my #t backlog so I suppose I can do a summary on that
20:39 diana_coman jfw: what/where/why are you stuck with the writing now though?
20:40 diana_coman aha; is that a problem / not something you want to start on either or what?
20:41 jfw I'm not certain I am stuck now. Yesterday there was the photo-pile as discussed
20:41 jfw which "that" - the reading or the summarizing?
20:41 diana_coman for that you'll just have to budget somewhere explicitly "filter photos" , there's no way around it ever ; but it doesn't have to count as "writing" since it's not really, either.
20:42 diana_coman jfw: both/whichever is a problem, lol
20:42 jfw the reading doesn't seem to be a problem, it had just kept getting pre-empted. Hence starting with that today.'
20:43 jfw as to summarizing - well I'll find out soon
20:44 diana_coman ahaha, all right then; and yeah, switch things around during the day if/when/as needed, what; that being said - hm, wasn't it supposed to be jfw-on-irc from about 7 utc rather than 8? lolz.
20:45 jfw I'll get back on that.
20:45 diana_coman also, how is that older getting back to daylight schedule and proper sleep at night?
20:45 * diana_coman didn't dig out the link for ref but it's in one of your plans/reviews of last year.
20:46 diana_coman jfw: ^ is for you.
20:46 jfw Went well enough at that time; travel threw it off and been slowly recovering from there
20:47 jfw well not much at first, perhaps firefighting-mode. But more recently improving. And at least not my previous tendency to push it further.
20:49 diana_coman jfw: it did seem to be off again, hence my question really; but if you say you are aware and moving it in the right direction, good.
20:49 jfw (ah, not fire-fighting entirely too, there were a number of late nights out)
20:50 diana_coman jfw: does this explanation make sense to you?
20:50 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 15:46:28 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-01-23#1015837 - to flesh this out some more: dragging your feet on getting started on something is still a signal (others call it at times laziness, plenty of ways to call it too)
20:51 jfw It signals that there's, how would you say it... unmet prerequisites for doing the thing?
20:53 jfw well that's one possibility at least and one needs to ask questions to understand the signal
20:53 diana_coman jfw: in a very broad sense for "prerequisites", yes; but figuring out what sort those are is pretty much the key and in some cases they can simply be of the sort "this *seems* too ugly/difficult/I-don't-like-it"
20:55 jfw right, dorion's butterflies
20:56 diana_coman yes but you know, each with their own species of butterflies, lolz
20:57 jfw and some migratory too no doubt.
20:58 diana_coman that can be I guess though I can't say I saw much of that; it's more the other way around if anything - ie ignoring your own because it works for another to ignore his might backfire (because not quite the same otherwise, eh)
20:59 diana_coman jfw: how's the work on the wallet thing going this week?
21:00 jfw know thy own butterflies then.
21:00 jfw Wallet's going pretty well
21:01 diana_coman jfw: glad to hear it and no reason for glum then, that's both a crucial and not-easy part!
21:02 diana_coman indeed re butterflies, since they are part of you and still best to get along very well with yourself, lol.
21:02 ossabot Logged on 2020-01-23 16:00:42 diana_coman: the above could be again restated as the older "get over yourself", sure, but I think it's way better to get *on with* yourself simply.
21:04 jfw the 2x time estimate factor I put in since initial plan has indeed been needed so far, and some time goes to reviewing the code & fixing minor mistakes, but no major problems come up yet.
21:04 jfw agreed on best to get along with oneself!
21:08 jfw from earlier: the water temperature perception example makes sense: the different levels of thinking
21:15 diana_coman jfw: to add something concrete, I'm known to have taken the time (not all that little either though very concentrated) while otherwise drowning in 1001 ugly and complicated things to do, to ...translate a whole poem; the thing is - I needed that as disconnect and once I got that out, I worked better on the rest as well.
21:19 jfw Not a short poem either I see. Interesting
21:21 dorion ofc, I now recall that trilema about butterflies, lmao.
21:24 diana_coman lolz, appropriate.
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22:18 auctionbot S#1077 O=17mn LB=None E=2020-01-29 05:43:03.567830 (121h28) >>> Dell R610 PE Server ships from U.S. (Server-A) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
22:18 auctionbot S#1078 O=17mn LB=18mn E=2020-01-29 05:43:42.679910 (121h28) >>> Dell R610 PE Server ships from Uruguay (Server-B) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
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22:24 whaack trinque: I have a problem with my bot's sbcl process using too much memory. I noticed that loading quicklisp alone puts ~70MB of junk in the environment. So I am considering avoiding quicklisp attempting to load ircbot, cl-irc, and all subsequent dependencies using a series of calls to the (load "/path/to/file.lisp") function. I learned
22:24 whaack about the function (ql:write-asdf-manifest-file) . This prints out the paths to all the files loaded in the dependency tree. I ran (ql:write-asdf-manifest-file) after running (ql:quickload :fleetbot) (which depends on cl-irc, cl-postgres, ircbot, and postmodern.) I saw many paths in the manifest file that were not part of fleetbot's dependency tree. It seems quicklisp loads everything in local-projects by default. This may be what
22:24 whaack constitutes the '70MB of junk.’ Anyways, I have not yet found a way to load only what I need from the manifest file. So I’m currently planning on purging my quicklisp dir so it only contains the source necessary for loading fleetbot. If you have any other suggestions on how to reduce my program’s memory footprint, please let me know.
22:32 jfw whaack: oh hey I had left a comment re that: should be able to skip quicklisp altogether by using asdf directly
22:34 whaack jfw: hm i missed it, where is the comment?
22:35 jfw ztkfg, on your latest
22:36 whaack ah okay, i was looking for it on the above linked article, alright I'll look into using asdf directly
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23:20 jfw background, in particular http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-04-01#1444010
23:20 ossabot (trilema) 2016-04-01 phf: really, asdf lets you do "load all my source" quite trivially as long as you packed it into a package ahead of time
23:20 ossabot (trilema) 2016-04-01 asciilifeform: it is solved by ~not doing it~
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