#ossasepia | 2019-12-29

whaack: You've got a comment

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BingoBoingo: I saw! and am typing a response rn

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whaack: start reading here, and click the blue stuff https://eklitzke.org/stdout-buffering

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second question would be easier with moar context, i.e. a paste of the contents of repl

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maybe they're equivalent, and the abort option is common to all slime session errors.

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trinque: i'll read the link. the process input / abort is a general q. i see both options appear during errors. I would like to be able to send a signal that pauses evaluation (say i.e. mid loop) , be able to type stuff into the repl to change the environment, and then continue the evaluation

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process input looked like what I wanted, but yeah it appears to be the same as the abort option

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https://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Debugger.html

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typically folks set a breakpoint, let their program run until it hits the breakpoint, and then fiddle around using the debugger.

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this isn't unique to common lisp

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01:49

trinque: the first link cleared up an important confusion, ty.

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i often redirect to files and tail -f them, and i now know why output is often delayed.

~ 2 hours 14 minutes ~

04:04

argh. my power is out, and since my monitor is the only source of light i have started a bug festival at my desk.

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whaack sets up distracting lamps and flashlights

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05:48

diana_coman: EOD Report: Not a successful day. I spent 4hr 15 min finishing my article, about 1hr on TheFleet (which was just reading CL notes) and then 1.5hr on the plan + review for this week. I surfed for 1hr for some exercise, I also had to do an operation to get the router hooked into my UPS when the power went out because my phone's backup internet ran out of data. (the router was previously placed in my landlord's home and I

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've been connected through an ethernet cable through the wall.)

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whaack: is that your router or your landlord's router?

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diana_coman: it's the landlord's router

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14:29

BingoBoingo: In the case I can't find isopropyl alcohol, for the citrus solvent, am i looking for the state stuff used as paint thinner?

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whaack: Only use citrus stuff if it is specifically labeled for removing thermal grease. If you can't find isopropyl, ethyl works, but get the highest concentration you can. Check pharmacies and hardware stores. As an absolute last resort "ronsonol" fuel sold for petrol lighters may be used with extreme caution.

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Don't use automotive gasoline because it'll have metalic salts added to improve its octane. Just because they don't lead the gasoline anymore doesn't mean they don't dope it with a bunch of magnesium and manganese.

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The reason why high concentration alcohols are favored is they can be completely cleaned off the surface, and they evaporate completely. A lesser paint stripper might leave some residue. Absolutely do not use the traditional dichloromethane paint strippers, because you need your brain in good health.

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BingoBoingo: I have 80% ethyl with me right now

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whaack: If you don't find better, that can work with greater precaution to keep it from going where it isn't wanted, and more time to evaporate.

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It's also require a bit more... not necessarily elbow grease, but... knuckle grease?

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BingoBoingo: Okay if I resort to the ethyl then I would take the CPU out of the motherboard to clean it, correct?

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whaack: Mine CPUs have usually been soldered onto the motherboard for being laptops, but taking the CPU out should make it easier to manage.

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In anycase, make sure your workbench is clean and dry. Contamination is the enemy.

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BingoBoingo: noted

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trinque: I need to use ~90% of ircbot and ~50% of logbot. For my modified ircbot, I need to remove all the authentication logic and replace it with always connecting with a random nick. As to the code from logbot I plan to modify the sql schema + the insert calls to include a column "network" that represents the irc network the logs are from. I plan to fork ircbot, and make something like ircbot-unauthed, and then my fleetbot will

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extend ircbot-unauthed. For the logic from logbot, I will just copy + modify what I need into fleetbot.lisp instead of extending logbot or making a fork. If there is a derp in my design please let me know.

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I don't plan to include the outbox either, as these logbots plan to be silent. diana_coman if you think these bots need to be able to speak plz let me know

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whaack: no, no need for bots to speak.

15:27

whaack: why not your own router?

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diana_coman: I had my own router (that they provided for me) but it was just acting as a ~switch because there's only one phone line for the building. I needed to take their router (which is also a modem) and put it in my apartment and then run a long phone jack into their building.

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I see.

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whaack: why not modify the thing such that you can enable/disable auth, rather than forking?

15:39

that seems like an entirely reasonable feature, i.e. if there's nil supplied for password, don't auth

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I just never implemented this option because I had no need for it

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trinque: okay my thought process was to keep ircbot as light as possible but you're right this feature is reasonable and shouldn't increase the LOC by much if at all

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I'll be happy to review changes for ya too.

15:51

incidentally this is a tool I want, a commentary tool for vpatches.

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trinque bbl

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trinque: that sort of tool is part of what I had in mind when last reviewing V use ; I didn't find yet the time to think it through fully so as to start getting it moving but it's certainly needed, yes.

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whaack: beliefs may be cuddly and warm but they will fuck you quite predictably ~all times in the end.

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