#ossasepia | 2019-11-17

whaack: why so late with that draft though?

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how did you plan the work on it that it ended up incomplete draft on Sunday?

~ 11 hours 18 minutes ~

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diana_coman: The first reason I am so late with the draft is that throughout the week anything that interrupts my work flow takes too long. For example when I go to eat breakfast, i'll waste time doing activities such as watching an instructional video on surfing or playing guitar before beginning my grind. The second reason is that there was extraneous work i did that was avoidance behavior. For example I spent time yesterday fixi

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ng the thumbnails of my images on my travel posts for Tokyo/Korea and on Wednesday spent time helping set up Richard with irc. The third reason is that I had imagined I had time to work in the evenings, but for two nights I was invited to dinner with my neighbors and took those opportunities.

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diana_coman: and my apologies to responding to this late. I was out this morning and when I came back the power was gone (until now)

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whaack: why were you avoiding it?

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the dinner with neighbours is fine and should be taken; work is anyway better done during the day, not at&after supper.

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Hello all, I'm pretty well recovered on sleep debt and presently tackling some reading debts that I've accumulated.

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diana_coman: I think that the avoidance comes from two reasons. The first is laziness, I enjoy writing but it takes mental effort and so I have to push myself to put the pen on paper. (Or the fingers on the keys?)

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diana_coman: per http://younghands.club/2019/11/11/jfw-plan-week-of-nov-11-2019/#comment-126 point 3 I'm planning to put today's blogging time toward the single wallet article

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hello jfw ; what's the status on review + plan?

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to do today.

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jfw: so wouldn't that be the thing to start with and get out of the way?

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I suppose; though more people will be asleep later if I need to discuss anything

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jfw: also, hm, I thought you were on writing every morning schedule - did I miss today's article from you?

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ossabot

Logged on 2019-11-13 16:40:54 diana_coman: jfw: when are you going to switch the writing to first thing in the morning?

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diana_coman: The second is there may be some subconscious dodging involved with this particular article because of how I can see some of the ugliest parts of myself in the protagonists.

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jfw: that makes sense but a. start with that if indeed it was reasoned already b. make sure you do have enough time to finish those by their deadline.

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no article this morning, I slept in, had breakfast, then figured I needed to catch up first and confirm about putting the time toward the upcoming one.

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whaack: you should run *towards* the scary/don't like it thing, not away from it! the more you run away from it, the uglier and bigger and nastier it will get.

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diana_coman: I believe it is more of the first reason though. I can push through with the vulnerability required for this one. It is just a bit of a daunting writing task because there are many different parts I would like to touch on in the story and each could be potential articles by themselves.

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ack on making sure to get plan & review done.

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jfw: there are also I think quite a few comments you just left hanging around there; do realise that if you don't reply wihtin some reasonable time (and doubly so on your OWN blog, ffs!), I'll take it you don't need comments and fine.

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jfw: and note that everything *can* be argued in a ...convenient way :P

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but all right.

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I've seen I am delinquent on some comment responses, yes.

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whaack: so why not split it then into several, what's the problem?

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dorion: where are you with plan + review?

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whaack: it IS fine to change the plan but as long as you actually do it, as in come forwards with the what and why and set it all out.

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plans are meant to help, not to hinder and because you can never know exactly what you discover as you go about doing something, there is *always* the expectation that you might, perhaps, need to change some things but *only* if there is indeed a good reason for that.

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whaack: as to laziness, indeed, stop being that fucking lazy, it's not doing you any good.

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diana_coman: that is a good solution, and I will split it into at least two articles.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-17#1010424 - so no, don't start watching videos on surfing just because you already took a break/haven't yet started work; leave *those* for the evenings, not the not-that-much-anyway work you have.

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ossabot

Logged on 2019-11-17 15:22:14 whaack: diana_coman: The first reason I am so late with the draft is that throughout the week anything that interrupts my work flow takes too long. For example when I go to eat breakfast, i'll waste time doing activities such as watching an instructional video on surfing or playing guitar before beginning my grind. The second reason is that there was extraneous work i did that was avoidance behavior. For example I spent time

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whaack: for that matter I suspect your "surfing & guitar time" is more likely double what you "plan" in there, if you honestly add all of it.

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whaack: speak.

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diana_coman: Yes I have been measuring those thinking in terms of time lying on the board in the water + time with hands touching the strings, even that is more than the allocated time.

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myeah; but never somehow thought to mention it in any of the reviews, did you?

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diana_coman: as to laziness I know i should not be 'that fucking lazy' but I don't see how it will click and my 'real life' of a man of discipline will begin

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jfw: do you know by any chance if dorion is out with the fairies or something? he was meant to pong the pings but dunno if too much excitement lately or what.

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Let me check.

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whaack: hm, you know it but you don't want it, lol.

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I mentioned my understatement of hours in my plan for this week here in point 3 http://younghands.club/2019/11/11/wh-plan-for-week-5-nov-11th-18th/ . But I did not highlight it as a major problem as I should have.

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whaack: well, that sounds more on the "will always do this" rather than "it always spill waaay into everything else"

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dorion's on a phone call right now, acknowledges the ping.

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re discipline, it's really about taking full responsibility for yourself; you are quite intelligent, not like you don't know /can't see exactly what you are doing and when you are doing it; but for as long as you either think it doesn't matter or choose to ignore it anyway, it will go on, yes.

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jfw: ok, thanks.

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whaack: do this: set in the plan for next week some daily deadlines ie split your tasks into smaller chunks if needed and/or fit them day-by-day

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diana_coman: it is horribly painful being at an intelligence high enough to see the situation i'm in, but perhaps not high enough to resolve the problem i'm able to perceive

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whaack: that I can fully believe indeed; but note that the discipline part is not really about intelligence, I'd say; it's more of a skill really ie something you need to... practice.

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diana_coman: Okay, I will split my tasks into smaller chunks and add mid week deadlines.

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whaack: was this the root of not quite sure if agree with 2nd point?

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ossabot

Logged on 2019-11-13 15:23:29 whaack: diana_coman: i agree, at least with the first point lol

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diana_coman: When i typed "I don't see how it will click" i realized that it is ridiculous to imagine that discipline is something that 'clicks' in one moment

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diana_coman: yes

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whaack: did you get micromanaged before? (dunno, at home, at school, whatevers)

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diana_coman: Home - my parents never put any pressure on me to do anything. I loved them for that up until now, today I resent their laissez faire parenting.

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so no they did not micromanage me at all

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whaack: so how did you approach/handle the longer-term commitments and work? ie ok, you managed yourself *somehow*; how?

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At Stuyvesant h.s. I was micromanaged with my daily schedule of classes, I guess. I wasn't micromanaged at MIT nor in any of my "SV" jobs/internships I've had.

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diana_coman: occasionally I manage to get myself into situations where I productively focus for long chunks of time. These are sporadic but when they happen I can use my wit to get shit done

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whaack: what's specific to those situations? and how sporadic + long are they?

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diana_coman: It's sad, but my productive periods have often happened when circumstances outside my control leave me with nothing fun to do otherwise.

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diana_coman: I can buckle down for about 30 hours of hard work, spread out over ~three days.

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whaack: and if there's still no fun to be had after those 3 days?

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diana_coman: heh, sure it can and has gone for longer periods of time. But if it's more than 3 days I would say I have to enjoy the work i'm doing as well

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whaack: ah, you mean that absent-fun you'll do even work-you-hate, lolz.

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diana_coman: aha yes

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whaack: let me see if I got this straight: you *do* enjoy the work you've got in here but it's an effort and therefore getting started on it gets pushed to the latest moment (or beyond if possible) while all the fun to be easily had around is taken advantage of; is this correct?

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diana_coman: yes

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I see; for one thing you need to plan your stop/start better ie make it easier for yourself to get back into the work; this is most likely something you are getting horribly wrong there.

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for the other thing, there is some approach to your trouble that would work but you'll have a lot of fighting to do with yourself.

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diana_coman: i am intrigued

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whaack: well, the fun of guitar + surfing, for all the fun that it is, will need to be earned rather than just taken for granted.

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whaack: when you work, do you ever get to some point where you really enjoy it and actually want to keep doing it?

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diana_coman: yes

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whaack: good; so at that point you find a way to ... stop; the point is to stop while you have something easy & enjoyable & clearly set up to do; so that it's easy to re-start + you even want to restart; do you get what I mean?

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diana_coman: that is quite counter intuitive

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if you look at it from the "enjoy now" pov, it surely is.

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diana_coman: but I see your point. if you keep working until you get to the dreaded part, and stop then, then it is frustrating to resume

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but look at it from "getting back to work later", it should make sense.

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exactly; and not only frustrating but naturally something you'll ...avoid; obviously.

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diana_coman: the only question I have is that sometimes the fun part is when i'm being extra productive, and I think that extra productivity comes from having a lot of information loaded into meat-ram

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whaack: this doesn't mean that you have to stop at *every* enjoyable point, lol; just make sure that you stop only at such a point, *never* at "the dreaded part"

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whaack: that is very possible; the other part to this is to start getting better at helping your recall and reload really; let me fish something out for you.

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ok.

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whaack: read that 1st para in http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/

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whaack begins reading.

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diana_coman I woke up to find my (us) bank account frozen, i.e. prevented from making atm withdrawals. then I call them and they claim they can only unblock the debit card if they send me an sms to a number their third party vendor claims is associated with my "identity"... said blocked due to suspicious activity, despite that I've made ~20 such withdrawals over the past year.

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o.O the joys of US bank accounts

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myeah, I'll be closing it asap, but this runaround ate up some hours today, thought I'd was close to passing their test a couple times..

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anyways, my review and plan will be out by 8pm EST.

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I wanted to ask why you need one since you've been not in the US for quite some time already.

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anyways; did you figure out any part of MP's title?

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whaack: the 1st para is relevant to you, lolz; not that I mind you reading all.

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I didn't shut it down since receiving/making payments their can be helpful and it's not like panama banks are anything to write home about.

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I see.

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I don't believe I've cracked the title puzzle, no. yest was more focused on getting a coherent reply to his comment.

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the advantage with local bank is usually/normally that you can supposedly go directly to them and sort it out; + not sure I ever saw/heard of anything *worse* than US bank accounts but at any rate, you know that part best.

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all right; I'll let you get on with the work then.

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I know I have a couple other comments (on dm and yh) to get replies to today as well. Were you referring to other pings I didn't pong apart from yours earlier this afternoon?

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dorion: there was one yest though it wasn't a question; it was just adding up and getting weird; it's cleared up now.

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there for sure has been more excitement then normal this past week, plus the mentioned recovery yesterday morning and making sure I've covered all bases prior to wednesday morning travels.

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but excitement I'm working to normalize and build on.

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good.

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diana_coman thanks for pushing the panama and jwrd articles to the top of this week's priorities. there was a big weight of uncertainty in the composition of those that's now lifted.

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diana_coman: heh, as you messaged me I was carefully reading the first two bullet points of work of May, wanting to make sure I digested your article thoroughly although knowing that the specifics of your work on eulora was not the important takeaway. Yes, the first paragraph details a clever strategy that seems ~so obvious~ after reading it. I would both save time on my weekly reviews and be able to refresh my memory quicker if I

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were to write a review for my tasks as soon as I finish them.

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dorion: glad to hear it; and you're welcome.

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whaack: so try that and see how it goes; and feel free to experiment there to find what works best for you - the important part is that you *develop* a way to put down/pick up tasks that *works*.

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whaack: also, maybe I should specifically say it: make *sure* thos reviews don't end up taking ages to do,lol! the point is to give yourself something to start with/from next time ie jot down the important bits and what next perhaps but at any rate, do not become exhaustive about it/start polishing it.

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dorion: hmm i have a suspicion that eventually i'm going to get my bank account blocked here. good luck getting that problem resolved (or maybe you already have it solved, not clear to me from the log lines).

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whaack: do you still need a US bank account?

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diana_coman: I am actively looking into getting one here, with the hope of eventually getting rid of my US bank account

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whaack: any questions for next week?

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diana_coman: what do I have to do to earn time to surf and play guitar?

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the jobs for the previous day; fully; obv, for that, you need to have planned them properly to start with, hence next week you do that.

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diana_coman: got it

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whaack: if you need to, feel free to report in chan too, there's no problem with it.

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diana_coman: by report you mean report the progress of daily goals?

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whaack: well, in general of anything you need to report :) but yes, that's what I had in mind.

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diana_coman: okay, will do

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whaack: you should re-read today's log/convo too.

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diana_coman: I will note it in my review and read it again tomorrow once it has cleared my mind.

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good.

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whaack thanks for the luck. not resolved (going to go into the branch office wednesday pm or thursday am). typically if you tell them you're traveling, no problem. I asked them a while ago to permanently whitelist panama on my account. the atm i tried pulling from today is ~2km from the regular one I use and allegedly that flagged it.

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I worked through a blocking prior, but in the meantime they've changed their processes. and I don't do that "voiceprint" verification bs, so maybe that makes me even more suspicious in their crusty eyes. I dunno. not going to burn any more cycles on it till I can look them in eyes.

~ 38 minutes ~

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dorion: that is useful to know that what flagged it was pulling from an atm that was not your regular one

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I've pulled from many atms though. not just one. so i dunno wtf, but the unfreeze part exposed even more backwardsness.

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dorion bbiab

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It's been at least a year since I used my US based bank and its card for anything other than shit-web payments. I've seen no reason to use it at ATMs in a long time.

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BingoBoingo: If I may, how do you go about getting your local altcoin?

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whaack: Local bank offers good conversion rate between Dosiedos and Pesos, Also cash taken from local bank to corner cambios.

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BingoBoingo: So you speak with a teller when you get your cash? Because going to the bank for me usually still involves using my card.

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whaack: ATM/Debit card is not a credit card. There is a dance that can be done to use the thing online, but it needs to be done for every single online transaction. Easier to take cash to an Abitab and pay for anything aquired online locally.

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They take card use requires chip+pin seriously down here.

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BingoBoingo: Got it. When you said you have not used your card for a year I thought that included debit card withdrawals.

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Not like they can print fiat to cover the "these magic strings are all a payment needs" thing without collapsing

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whaack: Well that's the one from old country I haven't used.

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The card from old country has utility limited to "X wants a quick online payment for (domains, out of WoT hosting, etc)"

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I don't see any point to feeding the account old country card is linked to any more than trivial sums.

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Local account eatsand sends local/international wires. Transfers between different local banks happen same day, the local clearing house batches interbank transactions for clearing three times a day.

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Anyone with an account other than a "financial inclusion" mandated salary receiving account gets both USD and UYU demoninated accounts at a minimum. Accounts denominated in EUR and Brazillian Reales are also available.

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BingoBoingo: Of course CR will be different, but do you know if there is trouble (on the US side) moving 5 digit fiat numbers from old country to new country?

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whaack: When the US is involved there are lots of rituals, dances, and swearings

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At least once number cross the magic line

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BingoBoingo: And from the pieces of paper I get on airplanes that magic line is $10k

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whaack: Per the US retardation the line could happen at any sum if you do it repeatedly. They call it "structuring" and accuse the victim of trying to evade the reporting limits.

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I suspect the local banks are going to want you to have established legal residency before they'll touch you as a customer. Once you have legal residency established, I don't know if there is a best way to get dollars out of the US. dorion and jfw may have ideas.

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But here registering a business helped. Getting the local ID was magic.

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Buying Bitcoin seems the best solution for making balances stuck as USD inside the US more portable. Hanbot is almsot certainly going to be your best source for Costa Rica specific weird.

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diana_coman: there's some mildly interesting spam in the younghands comment queue. the spammers website links to 'blogs' that appear to have 'ai' generated text. not sure if this is the same as the spammers/scammers i remember you mentioning before

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BingoBoingo: That seems the way. With a local btc/cash vendor I could forgo the CR bank account requirement as well. That said I still plan to get one.

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Well, its handy. You're bound to encounter local businesses that find local wires convenient for regular payments.

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BingoBoingo: Yes exactly for that purpose. I've already encountered this.

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