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02:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (103h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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02:51 jfw diana_coman: I'm uncertain if http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009267 is meant in jest, but to be clear now: I didn't take that lead because indeed I thought it would distract from current priorities, and didn't say so at the time because of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002527.
02:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-07 15:14:28 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009253 - not like I didn't tell that to him while he was still futzing about http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002523
02:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-09-14 09:32:55 diana_coman: jfw: at any rate, before "what task", you'll need to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002518 ;
02:55 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009247 - and moreover, as occurred to me once I was in a cab and unwinding a bit, thank you for the pushing, because that's what I signed up for after all.
02:55 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-07 11:28:26 jfw: and thank you for the patience.
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04:34 dorion !Qlater tell diana_coman http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=OQk1
04:34 lobbesbot dorion: The operation succeeded.
04:40 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009264 << agreed, which was a part of the more to pay.
04:40 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-07 15:12:16 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009251 - except it should all be on V already.
04:40 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-07 11:20:47 dorion: diana_coman we've paid for it, and don't think the paying is done.
04:43 dorion jfw perhaps diana_coman was referring to doing that analysis well before showing up last quarter, rather than what you seemed to infer as since joining. or moreso reporting before cuntoo was started.
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07:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (98h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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07:31 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009275 - all right.
07:31 lobbesbot diana_coman: Sent 2 hours and 56 minutes ago: <dorion> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=OQk1
07:31 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-07 22:56:21 jfw: diana_coman: I'm uncertain if http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009267 is meant in jest, but to be clear now: I didn't take that lead because indeed I thought it would distract from current priorities, and didn't say so at the time because of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002527.
07:31 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009278 - you're welcome.
07:31 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-07 23:00:47 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-07#1009247 - and moreover, as occurred to me once I was in a cab and unwinding a bit, thank you for the pushing, because that's what I signed up for after all.
07:32 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009285 - exactly this, yes.
07:32 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 00:49:04 dorion: jfw perhaps diana_coman was referring to doing that analysis well before showing up last quarter, rather than what you seemed to infer as since joining. or moreso reporting before cuntoo was started.
07:33 diana_coman dorion: I got that, I'll look at it later today.
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10:31 diana_coman dorion: eh, just a tiny fly what rabbit
10:32 diana_coman plenty of buzzes like that with effect ~0
10:46 diana_coman at any rate, feel free to get all the lolz out of it on your blog if/when you have time for it
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11:32 diana_coman hi alex__c
11:35 diana_coman curaj, zi ceva, lolz.
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12:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (93h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
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13:52 whaack lobbes: so you know i'm not currently working on this http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950077 . I'd be happy to pick it back up if diana_coman thinks I should. For now I have a bandaid solution that fixes the problem here http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132056 But I don't know why the white spaces are being stripped for mircea_popescu's original
13:52 whaack code.
13:52 ossabot (trilema) 2019-11-07 lobbes: the 'pingback linkback' selector is still suffering from the strip-spaces bug whaack found in the xmlrpc.php, but as that is outside of the scope of the logotron tree I figure that can wait for another day and this bot can be put to bed.
13:54 diana_coman whaack: you make your computer first :)
13:58 BingoBoingo The computer making and planning seems like a blogable thing
13:59 diana_coman he'll certainly blog it and with pics too as already stated http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008790
13:59 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 03:39:11 diana_coman: whaack: why not actually buy the components and build yourself a desktop computer? take pics and document the process too and you've got a great post as well.
13:59 whaack diana_coman: of course that is task #1. There should be some downtime though between ordering and receiving parts. And yes BingoBoingo I will blog it, that was part of diana_coman's original instructions
14:00 diana_coman whaack: how long does it take for them to deliver the parts?
14:00 whaack diana_coman: I do not know yet.
14:01 diana_coman all right, let me know when you have something concrete so there isn't otherwise downtime just waiting for them
14:02 diana_coman plenty of stuff to do otherwise anyway
14:02 whaack I have found that DHL, boxcorreos, and UPS are the companies that deliver to my area. I had trouble setting up my account with DHL, and I have not tried UPS yet as I learned that it was an option last night.
14:04 BingoBoingo whaack: I suspect blogging before ordering may be wise for the potential comments you may receive. The type of board used in the Qntra server may be interesting if you have a limited battery room to work with.
14:04 BingoBoingo As an example
14:05 whaack I am considering ordering two small items with boxcorreos and UPS and comparing the services before choosing one to deliver all the parts.
14:05 diana_coman whaack: what's the trouble with dhl?
14:05 diana_coman at any rate, if there's that much to it, might as well write-up the search for a company to deliver, too
14:05 diana_coman can't hurt to have it written down for future ref if nothing else
14:06 BingoBoingo DHL has been fine down here for taking incoming once the eleborate game of telephone incurred by other people ordering stuff stopped.
14:08 whaack diana_coman: The first problem is their website is a nightmare to navigate. Their select inputs are all hooked to triggers and so you get popups as you are filling out forms. The main issue is that from my understanding I need to call the local office and get setup with an import account number.
14:09 BingoBoingo You'll probably need an import account number or authorization no matter who you go through for the couriering.
14:09 whaack So after the initial effort I put into figuring out DHL I spoke with my landlord and she advised me to use boxcorreos. Another local recommended UPS
14:10 diana_coman whaack: thou shall disable popups!
14:11 diana_coman block them & kill them with fire, what is that.
14:11 BingoBoingo When Pizarro used the "amazon global" plus "DHL" combo to import assorted things, there was a bit of necessary binder navigation required with DHL, but they did competently handle the local Aduanas interactions.
14:11 whaack diana_coman: lol well you need javascript for the site. it's not opening up a new window, sorry if i used the wrong terminology
14:12 diana_coman whaack: do you plan going to the USA for Christmas/new year?
14:12 whaack diana_coman: No, I don't plan to go back for quite some time.
14:13 BingoBoingo It might be better to simply go to their office and get set up. It's not unimaginable that most office folks at DHL Costa Rica know each other well enough that when problems emerge you can say "Eugenia me ha dicho..."
14:13 diana_coman ah, kk; and yes, probably best to just go to local office really
14:13 diana_coman for that matter I'd even say you probably *want* to go and talk to them since there won't be that many so best if you get to know them and they you, what
14:14 BingoBoingo It's what worked here. The only thing I ever needed their site for was tracking.
14:14 diana_coman BingoBoingo: makes sense really.
14:14 BingoBoingo They'll also be able to tell you what will and won't fly with the local aduanas as long as you ask the right questions
14:18 whaack Alright thank you, that is certainly worth doing. That moves UPS up on the list since afaik they are the only ones with an office near me, but I will investigate further
14:19 * BingoBoingo hasn't worked with Latino UPS because it doesn't seem to exist this far south.
14:23 BingoBoingo I imagine the situation is going to be similar for the reason that... In small countries they can't afford or won't need big office staff collections. They'll probably have 15-45 people in jobs not doing gruntwork and handling all of the procedural things. This means 1 Alejandro, 1 Eugenia, etc, and collecting these names can be a big help.
14:25 diana_coman good points there BingoBoingo
14:26 whaack haha okay I will make sure to take note of their names and try to get to know them.
14:27 diana_coman good practice for your Spanish too.
14:27 BingoBoingo diana_coman: ty whaack: The shipping folks are people to practice the Spanish with, but don't get too worried if they won't buddy up to you. You want the names when you order things because someone will likely give you instructions via email and when you show up at the counter, they will need to know who sent you the email in order to get your answers in a timely manner
14:29 BingoBoingo Say you drop off copies of your ID for the Aduanas. The desk clerk can either spend a lot of time navigating their system and looking you up, or they can email Betina and have exactly what they need to service you.
14:31 BingoBoingo One big help early was making pre-mission cheat sheets where I wrote down particular questions and left some space to scribble clarifications. I don't know how well your ears and mouth have conformed to the local accent, so writing is always a fallback.
14:34 BingoBoingo In my experience writing is the best fallback when clarity is essential. Refuse to let them retreat to google translate on their phones.
14:34 whaack BingoBoingo: The CR accent is one of the easier ones to understand, imo. That being said I will still lose a decent bit of whatever they say to me, so that cheat sheet is a great idea.
14:35 BingoBoingo whaack: Over time and with more conversation hours, your ears will lose less.
14:36 whaack claro!
14:37 BingoBoingo And if anyone has a particularly degraded accent for their lack of teeth, in my experience whatever they had to say probably wasn't ever that important in the first place.
14:39 BingoBoingo Actually, your experience will probably differ on that point because you do live in the country.
14:39 whaack lol i recall a few 'do i not understand you because of Spanish issues or because you're talking nonsense'? moments from when i first moved here
14:41 BingoBoingo Anyways, the most useful verb tense that gets pushed too late in most courses developed by primarily English speaking folks is the imperative tense.
14:43 diana_coman eh, imperative is a matter of manner even more than tense.
14:43 BingoBoingo But an inability to deploy it when necessary can lead to a lot of tension
14:44 diana_coman BingoBoingo: certainly.
14:44 diana_coman and yeah, inabilities in general don't go well with imperatives, lol.
14:45 BingoBoingo "Qué diciste" "Vayanse" and "Vete ala Mierda" are particularly useful phrases to commit to muscle memory for quickly handling pichis and other bipeds who refuse to make themselves intelligible.
14:47 BingoBoingo Though deploying those phrases risks incurring dumb Latino bravado.
14:47 whaack lol
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15:30 thimbronion whaack: I'll be arriving in Liberia on Nov. 26th. If you want me to bring in some smaller items let me know.
15:31 diana_coman oh hey, how's it going thimbronion ?
15:33 thimbronion diana_coman: going well. I've been working on getting my blog in order and have a translation coming soon.
15:35 diana_coman thimbronion: well, the more important part is re next steps but at any rate, good to hear it's going well otherwise.
15:36 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009296 << cool, I'll get around to blogging it eventually, but putting in fridge for now, no space on the backburner.
15:36 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 06:37:12 diana_coman: dorion: eh, just a tiny fly what rabbit
15:40 diana_coman dorion: aha; and take it lightly at any rate, more lulz than anything else.
15:43 BingoBoingo Auctions for the former Pizarro hardware have gone live, auction IDs 1064 to 1074 for folks wishing to query auctionbot with !Xview
15:43 thimbronion diana_coman: In terms of next steps, I need to write a blog post with my thoughts on it. But first I want to ensure my blog is in proper working order. As of now it's a) not automatically backed up, and b) it still has the bug where it sends me to the install page if I try to view the home page while logged in. I've been digging into the source to remedy this.
15:44 thimbronion diana_coman: I have successfully fixed the image uploading issue, but I have more to learn there as well.
15:44 dorion diana_coman aye
15:44 diana_coman thimbronion: all right.
15:50 thimbronion eh, not blog post, article, sorry.
16:01 whaack thimbronion: Thanks! Hopefully that won't be necessary but there's a chance I'll need that one extra cable I forgot. Where are you staying in Guanacaste?
16:04 thimbronion whaack: I have a hotel booked near the airport in Liberia, but I don't plan to stay there the whole time. Haven't decided where else to go yet. Where are you at?
16:06 whaack I'm in Playa Junquillal
16:10 thimbronion whaack: can you recommend any hotels near there? I need decent internet and a desk basically because I'll be working.
16:12 whaack thimbronion: Not off the top of my head but I can do a bit of ground research.
16:16 thimbronion whaack: Thanks! much appreciated.
16:28 whaack BingoBoingo: Do you have an estimate of how much I should be paying for shipping 1-3k usd worth of hardware? The UPS website calculator tool seems to give a lower bound of $900
16:29 BingoBoingo whaack: I do not know the peculiarities of Costa Rica. USD value of the hardware is one factor. The other is weight.
16:30 BingoBoingo If UPS is giving a 900 USD estimate to ship, it may be time to see what a round trip ticket with at least one checked back to Miami costs.
16:31 BingoBoingo *bag
16:32 * whaack sighs
16:32 BingoBoingo Or price a different courier
16:32 whaack I will try the latter option first
16:32 BingoBoingo Or source a case locally and just ship guts
16:34 BingoBoingo You may want to try locating the store from http://trilema.com/2018/so-i-went-to-buy-a-new-hard-drive/
16:35 BingoBoingo Whatever time of yours the exercise takes is likely to pay dividends in familiarity with your environment
16:36 dorion whaack Miami -> San Jose forwarding agents are likely to exist (they're quite abundant in Panama).
16:37 BingoBoingo Even if your current spoken spanish ability makes the exercise a frustrating one, this sort of mission is the kind you can look back on later to gauge your conquest of the local language.
16:38 whaack dorion: Yeah I found a couple of them. They look almost too-good-to-be-true. That's why I am considering ordering a small part first through them and see how it turns out.
16:39 BingoBoingo whaack: Probably worth it to share the ones you found.
16:39 whaack boxcorreos.com and crbox.cr
16:43 BingoBoingo from boxcorreos: "La mercancía será consignada en un Depósito de Aduanas y se requerirá contratar a una Sociedad de Intermediación Aduanera (SIA) para la nacionalización." appears less than full service
16:44 BingoBoingo Or less than full service if they decide to throw their hands up in the air and be confused. Otherwise it may be worth a test.
16:49 dorion whaack as a reference point, I pay ~$3/lb here for air import, don't have numbers offhand for sea.
16:49 whaack dorion: I was hoping for a price more in that range :)
16:53 whaack BingoBoingo: Hmm ty, I did not catch that. Where did you read that?
16:53 BingoBoingo whaack: Their FAQ
16:54 BingoBoingo Gotta build the habit of reading ALL the instructions
16:55 diana_coman ^^^^
16:56 BingoBoingo When a local says something works for them, there are all sorts of internalized things in their heads but not yours. This disjunction means that there is a large space to encounter rough edges if your assumptions and the local assumptions cleave.
16:56 diana_coman whaack: the gun not the pebble ALWAYS.
16:57 diana_coman alternatively, just use a local if you got a relationship you trust, ofc.
16:57 BingoBoingo Reading the whole codigo penal last month wasn't just about seeing what I could hand the damned basement operators for. It was also to see how much I can push and where before I work myself into a corner that allows them to push.
16:58 whaack BingoBoingo: Yes. I did read their FAQ but I did it in English and perhaps discounted that one because I thought 'restricted' package was for firearms/plant seeds etc.
16:59 * diana_coman throws a pebble at whaack
16:59 diana_coman be very weary of "discounting" stuff, seriously.
17:00 diana_coman and as a rule, read the stuff in local language because quite often the english translation ...misses/skips over bits
17:01 whaack diana_coman: yes the translation is ~ the original Spanish tossed in Google Translate
17:01 diana_coman whaack: so why on earth would you eat *that* esp while you are learning Spanish; sheesh.
17:01 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (88h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1064 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 (166h36) >>> Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1065 O=5mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 (166h37) >>> Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1066 O=5mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 (166h37) >>> Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1067 O=22mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:38.780227 (166h37) >>> Server formerly used for Qntra and DNS, no FG no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1068 O=100 LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 (166h37) >>> Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1069 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 (166h38) >>> Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable.
17:01 auctionbot S#1070 O=55mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:24.229818 (166h38) >>> Lot of 5 unused Samsung 1 TB SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1071 O=33mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:41.809261 (166h38) >>> Lot of 2 Unused and 1 lightly used Samsung SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:01 auctionbot S#1072 O=1 LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 (166h38) >>> Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:02 auctionbot S#1073 O=40mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:40:16.614209 (166h39) >>> Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:02 auctionbot S#1074 O=1mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 21:40:28.384179 (166h39) >>> 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:02 auctionbot S#1075 O=10mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 22:22:21.919762 (167h21) >>> Refurb FUCKGOATS ( UPPER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
17:02 auctionbot S#1076 O=10mn LB=None E=2019-11-15 22:22:32.404026 (167h21) >>> Refurb FUCKGOATS ( LOWER in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/pz_fg_full.jpg ) ; buyer pays all postage and customs fees.
17:02 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 20mn total bids ---
17:08 whaack diana_coman: It's clear now that the restricted items clause is very likely something put there as a place boxcorreos can point to should they run into any trouble. I will go through their site again in Spanish, as well as the other site (crbox.cr)
17:10 BingoBoingo whaack: It may be that's what it means, but in practice it means you have to read more.
17:11 diana_coman whaack: the point is that you want to *know* about what might trip you over; dunno, sometimes I start suspecting that everything worked way too smoothly for a too long time for people.
17:13 BingoBoingo For all I know doing a quick pass, the coin cell battery on a motherboard could be a hazmat/flammables/explosives issue per the local code.
17:13 BingoBoingo It almost certainly shouldn't be, but very hard to bank on that.
17:13 diana_coman iirc laptop batteries are certainly classed as "dangerous items" so ...
17:14 BingoBoingo Indeed
17:14 BingoBoingo The coin cell may have an inherently safer chemistry, but... its still a lithium battery.
17:15 BingoBoingo Which could mean it's fine so long as its installed or it could mean the whole thing is subject to a paperwork swamp
17:17 diana_coman whaack: you know what, get some conrad to your reading list there, can't hurt
17:17 diana_coman joseph conrad
17:17 whaack diana_coman: Okay. Is there something by him I should start with?
17:20 * whaack be back in a bit
17:25 diana_coman whaack: did you read anything by him?
17:26 diana_coman an outpost of progress came to mind really, what can I tell you.
17:27 diana_coman now I don't know if it should still be called of progress but anyways.
17:40 whaack diana_coman: No I have not read anything by him. Okay I found a copy here https://b-ok.cc/book/5218683/887efa
17:42 diana_coman it's easy to find and a good story at that, yes; just ...mind the parallels, lolz.
17:44 diana_coman shrysr: possibly for you too ^
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18:20 whaack diana_coman: Here is my current process. I am going through boxcorreos site with my Spanish dictionary at hand. I am digesting all the text on the site. When I see a word I don't know, I look up the definition and then write down the word and the definition in my Spanish notebook. If I don't know a word in the definition I look up that word as well, and I repeat that process if necessary for the subsequent definitions. This is movi
18:20 whaack ng at a snail's pace, but it seems the thorough way to do the job.
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18:36 * whaack bbl.
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21:07 dorion kicked from #asciilifeform by asciilifeform!~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform [dorion] << glad it was restricted to 30 mins.
21:13 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-08#1001753 << if preach maps to aiming to clarify the extent to apparent (to me) contradictions are going to be resolved to assess the extent to which I can trust moving forward, I supposed I preached. If I'm hallucinating the contradictions, I'd appreciate being set straight.
21:13 ossabot (asciilifeform) 2019-11-08 asciilifeform: dorion: so after all you came to preach.
21:20 BingoBoingo dorion: How many people have you met that ended up dying of drink or drug within a week or two of the last time you saw them?
21:23 dorion BingoBoingo I guess I'm fortunate in that none.
21:23 BingoBoingo One great truth of this world is that you can't force help onto someone who doesn't want it.
21:24 dorion aye.
21:26 BingoBoingo The saddest one I've ever met was this girl Zoe. Last time I saw her, she had that healthy early recovery glow setting in after a couple weeks of being clean. Several hours later for unknowable reasons she shot up, got high, and died.
21:27 dorion this is why I started with questions ; I wasn't 100% motivated to help, but was also qualifying to see the extent to which his isp could be referred customers.
21:28 dorion sorry to hear BingoBoingo
21:30 dorion though my questions did help me clarify his position on the bonds, though I'll have to think more the extent to which it's a distinction w/o difference.
21:30 BingoBoingo These things happen. Less frequently with AA meetings than NA meetings, but from folks that frequent both groups, NA seems to have a lot more young person funerals.
21:30 lobbes BingoBoingo: my dad went quick like that (according to rest of my family), though not that quick. Was about 4 months after drying out that he died; he went back at it hard
21:31 lobbes of course, he was dried out against his will really (as in, I dun think he wanted help)
21:31 BingoBoingo lobbes: That also saw a couple times.
21:33 BingoBoingo Anyways, the point is if you want to help someone... rhetorical cornering doesn't work
21:34 dorion lobbes my regards
21:34 lobbes dorion: ty, but no worries. Life is a bitch
21:34 dorion BingoBoingo thank you, what does help ?
21:34 BingoBoingo dorion: Being available to help when they ask for it.
21:35 lobbes but they gotta ask for it first
21:35 dorion BingoBoingo makes sense
21:35 BingoBoingo If someone isn't convinced they have a problem enough to ask for help, then they don't have a problem you can help with yet.
21:40 dorion BingoBoingo that line resonated and then I thought perhaps that's why asking for help is #1 in the pageboy's pledge
21:42 BingoBoingo dorion: It's also prominent in pop culture because creatives tend towards the drink, addiction, and at least some exposure to one of the 12 step programs
21:44 dorion BingoBoingo and someone's not going to ask someone they don't know and respect, which was me in this situation.
21:47 BingoBoingo Nah, that's actually somewhat common in the right environment.
21:47 dorion I did ask because the circles I brought to the table seem evident and I'd not seen them pointed out directly.
21:48 dorion BingoBoingo hmm, my assumptions are being torn to shreds, but all for the better.
21:53 BingoBoingo dorion: Anyways, I respect asciilifeform enough I'm not going to try to sell him anything he doesn't want. I hope his business comes upon the sorts of good problems of growth that will get him to reconsider aspects of his methods for his own profit.
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22:02 dorion BingoBoingo make sense, and I hope he manages to profit as well. It's why I asked the questions.
22:03 dorion BingoBoingo and for sure I appreciate your feedback and guidance.
22:04 BingoBoingo Anyways, sometimes in life thing click, a light goes off, and you wanna just tell everyone this great thing you've discovered. In practice the discovery wasn't that novel and for the environment already being polluted by marketing, talking about how you now see the light just ends up alienating people you could have helped.
22:05 BingoBoingo More successful can be talking with them about how "how bad it was", but still the person you are talking to has to be ready.
22:06 dorion BingoBoingo that hits home. acting out the benefit of the change such that people ask you about how they can get some of it too is a better use of time/energy for both you and them.
22:08 * dorion bbl ; thanks again BingoBoingo
22:10 lobbes http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009303 << gotcha, (and ty for letting me know as this helps me plan). I may try to cut open the xmlrpc.php as my next move then. If I find anything I'll let you know
22:10 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 09:58:11 whaack: lobbes: so you know i'm not currently working on this http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950077 . I'd be happy to pick it back up if diana_coman thinks I should. For now I have a bandaid solution that fixes the problem here http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132056 But I don't know why the white spaces are being stripped for mircea_pop
22:17 whaack lobbes: another path that may be worth exploring is whether the pingback _receiver_ should really be the server trying to construct a linkback. perhaps it should be the server _sending_ the pingback that alters their return address. this has the dubious advantage of making pingbacks that one sends to heathen blogs have linkbacks with the new selection mechanism
22:21 lobbes whaack: that is an interesting idea. I will indeed explore that path, ty
22:22 lobbes it makes sense too, in that the article that sends should be responsible for the linkback to itself
22:25 whaack lobbes: yes i think it is the correct way, especially since when you try to construct linkbacks for others you're still depending on them having the selection mechanism
22:26 whaack so the only gain would be for blogs that have the selection mechanism setup, but not proper pingback linkbacks, which hopefully will be a small set
~ 15 minutes ~
22:42 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009459 - that I could have answered for you without the trouble; but then again, experience is not transferable, certainly.
22:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:33:05 dorion: this is why I started with questions ; I wasn't 100% motivated to help, but was also qualifying to see the extent to which his isp could be referred customers.
22:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 13:06:36 diana_coman: fwiw I fully understand the need and the idea that it's possible to help there; unfortunately though I have long experience that shows it won't work but experience can't be directly passed on, obviously, it is what it is.
22:44 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009448 - it will be worth your time for sure; alternatively you should make some tico friends and talk it over with them, it'll be more enjoyable and you'll still learn from it a lot.
22:44 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 14:25:28 whaack: diana_coman: Here is my current process. I am going through boxcorreos site with my Spanish dictionary at hand. I am digesting all the text on the site. When I see a word I don't know, I look up the definition and then write down the word and the definition in my Spanish notebook. If I don't know a word in the definition I look up that word as well, and I repeat that process if necessary for the subsequent definition
22:46 whaack diana_coman: okay I will try to do both
22:47 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-08#1001752 - dorion , this is not something you can expect people to hear like that, no.
22:47 ossabot (asciilifeform) 2019-11-08 dorion: not for now, but for your own sanity I'd hope you seriously reflect on what you could've done better over the time, apart from 'not get involved' , 'left earlier'.
22:48 whaack dorion: ^ that was more painful for me to read than thimbronion's convos with the irc admins
22:51 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009456 - add to this that even if they say they want it, it still doesn't always mean they want it; and more to the point: you can NEVER save people against their own wishes.
22:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:28:50 BingoBoingo: One great truth of this world is that you can't force help onto someone who doesn't want it.
22:51 diana_coman whatever they might be saying.
22:52 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009461 - do me a favour and tell me sometime what exactly you clarified and what's it worth.
22:52 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:35:33 dorion: though my questions did help me clarify his position on the bonds, though I'll have to think more the extent to which it's a distinction w/o difference.
22:53 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009463 - sorry to hear that, lobbes .
22:53 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:36:13 lobbes: BingoBoingo: my dad went quick like that (according to rest of my family), though not that quick. Was about 4 months after drying out that he died; he went back at it hard
22:53 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Right. And just because someone genuinely wants it one minute doesn't mean they'll keep wanting it even hours later
22:54 diana_coman BingoBoingo: tell me about it; yes, quite so.
22:55 whaack diana_coman and bingoboingo: should I also read the terms and conditions of these sites?
22:55 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009474 - smart as usual, yes.
22:55 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:46:01 dorion: BingoBoingo that line resonated and then I thought perhaps that's why asking for help is #1 in the pageboy's pledge
22:55 BingoBoingo whaack: That may be a bit much. Skim. Look for red flags.
22:55 diana_coman whaack: at the very least scan them, yes; they tend to be boilerplate so once you read one you'll spot the differences but at least have a look.
22:56 diana_coman heh, crossing over with BingoBoingo there.
22:58 whaack :D
22:58 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009478 - I know; and ftr that is precisely why I let you go and have your say, despite quite expecting this result.
22:58 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 17:53:13 dorion: I did ask because the circles I brought to the table seem evident and I'd not seen them pointed out directly.
22:58 diana_coman for your experience there, nothing else.
22:59 BingoBoingo diana_coman: The first fellow who asked me to help him work on the steps and actually managed to make the mandatory phone call the next day. He was they taurine sort. Blue collar guy, worked a lucrative construction niche, estranged wife and kids... Eventually he disappears for a couple weeks before the news hits. Dead at 45.
22:59 BingoBoingo ~1 month later I'm in Uruguay.
23:02 diana_coman BingoBoingo: for all the troubles and the problems, and fwiw I still think you grew enormously from it.
23:03 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I suspect I did as well, but the first couple months where I didn't function well in the language seems like it invovled a bit of a period of regression
23:04 diana_coman growth is usually like that, back and forth and all sorts; it's not a clean thing, nor can it be.
23:05 diana_coman I suppose I have some more articles to translate now, huh.
23:11 BingoBoingo If nothing else, I can literally tell people I came a long way
23:13 diana_coman BingoBoingo: heh, you have full rights to say so in more ways than one, I suspect.
23:14 BingoBoingo ~1/4 of the earth's circumference eyeballing the measure
23:15 diana_coman BingoBoingo: are you starting with the ISPs by distance or by preference of location or how?
23:15 BingoBoingo Not much by contemporary Euro standards, but quite a bit by North America standards
23:16 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I'm starting with the Atlantic Rim - Fortaleza, Central America, Panama
23:16 BingoBoingo And Iberia
23:17 BingoBoingo Mostly by preference of location and how likely there is to be a concentration of ISPs wherever I land
23:17 diana_coman BingoBoingo: I really hope it works out the way you want it, too.
23:18 BingoBoingo From there Eastern Europe, informed by MP's grand tour
23:18 diana_coman well, bread is certainly better there :) and if you are partial to more than 2 seasons, that might be a bonus too.
23:19 BingoBoingo 2, 3, or 4 seasons are fine. the prospect of just one season gives me pause
23:19 diana_coman BingoBoingo: any chance of parallegal in some Spanish-speaking area there?
23:20 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Putting out some feelers, definitely a chance, but how strong of a chance is yet to clarify
23:20 diana_coman I sometimes miss ...the cold; the frost and the snow and the contrast in the end, I suppose.
23:21 diana_coman BingoBoingo: fwiw I got the impression that *that* would be more of what you'd really want; so I don't know, if you really want it, make it happen somehow.
23:22 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I suspect if I get a sustain my self in place job, a transition into paralegal work will happen over time.
23:23 BingoBoingo Apparently the dispute between myself and the damned basement has been very... loud in local legal circles
23:25 diana_coman I wouldn't be surprised if it were ....loud, yes; and all the more reason to try then to make it happen if you'd want it.
23:26 BingoBoingo After I Qntra up some lulz tonight I'll dump a bunch of Uruguay reflection into the blog to clear the brain up for a focused grind.
23:27 diana_coman BingoBoingo: sounds like a plan; I'll go offline in a bit too.
23:29 BingoBoingo Anyways, I set the start date for the focused effort Monday with the intention of tidying up the other loose ends through Sunday night.
23:29 diana_coman jfw: how's the writing going taken like that in 1 hour chunks?
23:29 diana_coman BingoBoingo: makes sense.
23:31 BingoBoingo Anyways, the oddest thing about Montevideo's latitude is... it combines the profound winter reduction of sunlight with a noticable lack of actual freezing cold
23:36 lobbes http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009523 << nah, ty but no worries. I only brought it up to add anecdotal experience to BingoBoingo's point that "rhetorical cornering is -ev against a person that doesn't want help"
23:36 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-08 18:58:55 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-08#1009463 - sorry to hear that, lobbes .
23:36 lobbes BingoBoingo: does it ever snow there? (I cannot recall you ever mentioning it)
23:38 BingoBoingo lobbes: In some remote part of the city. Inside the city I have not seen. Then again I heard no tornados and a few month of arrival a tornado parked itself in the river off the Puertito de Buceo.
23:39 BingoBoingo I think I *might* have seen frost, but it seemed more wind chill driven than the legit low temperature veggie killing phenomena back in old country.
23:50 lobbes makes sense I guess. With oceans being a thermal reservoir of sorts, certain coastal areas can sometimes be spared from very frigid temps
23:52 BingoBoingo The water here is a very odd sort littoral because the river is so damn wide. It has salt, but ~90km east in Punta del Este is where they formally draw the line for river versus ocean
23:53 BingoBoingo Southern Illinois routinely got both much hotter and much colder than any temperature I have experienced in Montevideo
23:58 lobbes yeah, the cod where I grew up was latitudinally closer to the pole than in northern ohio, but damn the hot/cold extremes were much greater in ohio (/me recalls one winter where it was -10 F for two months straight...)
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