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00:55 lobbes diana_coman: next up for me, I think, after I get mp-wp bot settled is to get the auction house in better shape. I've been neglecting things like proper auto-invoicing and the damn price history that I let die.
00:55 lobbes which, for the last few months, hasn't been a problem. Once eulora gets heated up again though..
01:02 BingoBoingo whaack: Also consider that rackmount machines make fine desk/computers if you don't need heavy graphics rendering abilities.
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02:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=10mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (151h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
02:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids ---
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04:25 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1009011 - I've been had
04:25 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 18:18:20 whaack: jfw: heh man i can't tell did you think i was serious re dual boot? no, i currently plan to run cuntoo. i am curious though, what hardware items make a computer more pure?
04:27 dorion lol
04:30 dorion |http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008820 << glad to hear that works for you and looking forward to it ! did it occur you had trained people to expect otherwise ?
04:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 15:31:47 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008814 << ftr he's scheduled for fri. 1530 new york. (and i wish moar people would work like this, for some reason nobody but dorion ever asked.)
04:30 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-05 16:55:14 diana_coman: it will probably be quite hard to pin him down for a conversation as such but you can still budget your time on this overall even if it ends up as 5 minutes today and 5 tomorrow; the important thing is overall to have a clear stop somewhere because otherwise it will just drag on.
04:30 snsabot (asciilifeform) 2019-11-05 asciilifeform: dorion: ok, friday 1530-1600 nyc time.
04:32 jfw so re pure, coreboot is a start, but many boards they only support by means of vendor blobs. Another thing is DDR2 memory, as anything later is widely susceptible to 'rowhammer' (now an open secret but believe I first learned this from asciilifeform).
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07:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=10mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (146h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
07:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids ---
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07:51 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1009019 - in here for mats please.
07:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 18:44:21 dorion: and on the mangled hands thread, I have a link that may help mats ; diana_coman ought I add it here or reply to the thread it #t ?
07:53 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1009022 - heh, whatever you neglect will come back to bite you exactly when you have least time for it.
07:53 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 21:00:45 lobbes: diana_coman: next up for me, I think, after I get mp-wp bot settled is to get the auction house in better shape. I've been neglecting things like proper auto-invoicing and the damn price history that I let die.
07:54 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1009024 - good point; still, he needs to build first a desktop since he never ever did such a thing; the rackables can wait.
07:54 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 21:07:14 BingoBoingo: whaack: Also consider that rackmount machines make fine desk/computers if you don't need heavy graphics rendering abilities.
08:04 diana_coman whaack: http://ztkfg.com/2019/11/verifying-my-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-80
08:06 diana_coman dorion: eulora is a masterclass in economy mascarading as a videogame; that'd be as close to a "full description" as it gets.
08:09 diana_coman jfw dorion re bidding on the auction, you can do it either here on in #t , it's up to you (bot will take your bid either way).
08:10 diana_coman you might want to set an autobid too for that matter, see the help page
08:14 bvt jfw: is gales linux fully self-bootstrapping (has packages for gcc&etc., with all static libs installed)? what about python? iirc statically linking it can be a trouble because lots of python modules dlopen, and i really expect the same for x11
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12:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=10mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (141h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
12:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 10mn total bids ---
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13:20 whaack diana_coman: good morning. I saw your comment and had a response floating in my head that I did write, I will reply shortly
13:21 diana_coman whaack: ack more timely; it's fine to say you need some time to reflect but say it + give an eta for reflection's output, don't just leave it hanging like that, basic manners.
13:21 whaack diana_coman: understood
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13:57 diana_coman lobbes: huh, no autobid?
14:01 whaack from out my window it looks like the wind, swell, and tide have aligned. gonna brb for 2 hours
14:04 diana_coman whaack: heh, enjoy!
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14:41 lobbes diana_coman: no autobid (still :/). This is also on my list of neglected items to tackle next.
14:42 diana_coman lobbes: what's eating your time that much though?
14:46 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I pointed that out because, there are going to be more rackables hitting the auction block in the very near future.
14:46 diana_coman and he's not even far away from them ie easier to get them delivered, huh; good point.
14:47 BingoBoingo The only downside they have to being made into desk/Computers is the incredible fan noise
14:50 BingoBoingo And no, not that far either. He's gotta get to Panama City's Airport and then Montevideo is only 8-ish hours away via Copa airlines
14:51 diana_coman BingoBoingo: presumably they can be sent by courier too, can't they?
14:54 BingoBoingo diana_coman: There's two ways they could be shipped. One is that I haven't tested them to see if they work, I put a value on the export paper with fedex under 200 USD because the machine's functonality is uncertain. They other way is I test the machine, declare a reasonable market value, pay a Dispachante de Aduanas ~350 to do export paperwork, and that... makes shipping a roughly ~700 USD affair per machine.
14:56 BingoBoingo The magic paper is ~1/2 the total courier expense
14:56 BingoBoingo For much of the world, big suitcases and a bit of tourism is the economical option.
14:56 diana_coman ugh.
14:56 diana_coman good to know at least.
14:58 BingoBoingo The world customs information sharing system however appears to value FUCKGOATS with a very low dollar value as per the paperwork the ben_vulpes expedition left behind.
15:00 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008832 << perhaps process is more correct than structure, but what I mean is does Latin define words using negative space ala Greek ?
15:00 ericbot Logged on 2019-11-03 16:52:33 diana_coman: dorion: more like how the chair is *defined* as a result of taking things away from the whole ; as opposed to "positive" definition of the more usual sort "this chair is 4 wooden legs and one wooden plank"
15:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 15:36:10 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008803 - sneakin' but right at least, can't complain there; what do you mean by does Latin have the structure?
15:01 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009056 << the usual pretense was eating my time in the past
15:01 ericbot Logged on 2019-11-06 14:45:17 diana_coman: lobbes: what's eating your time that much though?
15:01 lobbes the last month and change was getting the mp-wp bot built (+ saltmines and other private sphere things related to getting my internal (and external!) house in order)
15:01 lobbes (sure, in retrospect I perhaps should have had a kitchen built *before* offering omelettes for sale on the menu. Still I have no regrets)
15:01 ericbot (trilema) 2019-10-09 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
15:01 * lobbes bbl, to mines
15:10 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009034 << ddr3+, ftr.
15:10 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-06 04:32:16 jfw: so re pure, coreboot is a start, but many boards they only support by means of vendor blobs. Another thing is DDR2 memory, as anything later is widely susceptible to 'rowhammer' (now an open secret but believe I first learned this from asciilifeform).
15:24 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008850 << we do not; the thinkpads are very much a scrap market ; we'll need to expand to more options, laptops and desktops. the one upside of the thinkpads is they're relatively well designed and certain replacement parts, such as battery and kbd, are available.
15:24 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 15:51:28 diana_coman: jfw: do you have certainty re supply there esp since older model?
15:25 dorion (not sure if I'm out of line there since the question wasn't addressed to me, but assumed he merely overlooked it given the outpour he was engaged in and decided to follow up in chan rather than nudge in pm)
15:28 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008868 << which added to the push to move out of the manaloning shadows.
15:28 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 16:06:18 jfw: I have not done much in the way of integrating the system with V as I didn't find myself qualified to even know what that would look like
15:29 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008885 << does this mean if you try emerging something that doesn't have an ebuilds in /cuntoo/portage/ , it will use /usr/portage ?
15:29 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-05 16:16:24 diana_coman: jfw: "/cuntoo/portage is configured as the system's highest priority repository, with upstream Gentoo and the overlays demoted." - to cite from the source
15:30 dorion http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009044 << and a beautifully economizing description at that, thank you!
15:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 04:11:27 diana_coman: dorion: eulora is a masterclass in economy mascarading as a videogame; that'd be as close to a "full description" as it gets.
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16:40 diana_coman welcome hanbot
16:40 hanbot howdy an' ty.
16:41 hanbot curious where this'll go, and i'm sure i'll enjoy the read 'til i find out. :) feels like a leg-stretching luxury to come over here.
16:41 diana_coman heh, I hope you do enjoy it!
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17:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (136h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
17:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 20mn total bids ---
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19:22 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009069 - from what I know of Latin, I wouldn't say so but I'm not familiar enough with the space to say for sure that it doesn't; Latin is very strong on structure indeed and it builds on that so I'd say a different outlook.
19:22 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:05:20 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008832 << perhaps process is more correct than structure, but what I mean is does Latin define words using negative space ala Greek ?
19:22 ericbot Logged on 2019-11-03 16:52:33 diana_coman: dorion: more like how the chair is *defined* as a result of taking things away from the whole ; as opposed to "positive" definition of the more usual sort "this chair is 4 wooden legs and one wooden plank"
19:23 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009074 - ok, so when's your eta to be done with putting those things in order so you can really get going?
19:23 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:06:53 lobbes: the last month and change was getting the mp-wp bot built (+ saltmines and other private sphere things related to getting my internal (and external!) house in order)
19:24 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009075 - absolutely no point to any regrets ever.
19:24 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:06:58 lobbes: (sure, in retrospect I perhaps should have had a kitchen built *before* offering omelettes for sale on the menu. Still I have no regrets)
19:24 ericbot (trilema) 2019-10-09 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
19:26 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009082 - not at all out of line, quite on the contrary since this is something related to your biz, so shared, I even expect you add to it if there's more (and he to your answers if they lack anything); and for that matter nudges in the open, it's perfectly fine.
19:26 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:30:58 dorion: (not sure if I'm out of line there since the question wasn't addressed to me, but assumed he merely overlooked it given the outpour he was engaged in and decided to follow up in chan rather than nudge in pm)
19:27 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009085 - yes, you can set it to anything you want for that matter; ofc whether or not it can still compile whatever it finds there is a different matter.
19:27 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:34:37 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008885 << does this mean if you try emerging something that doesn't have an ebuilds in /cuntoo/portage/ , it will use /usr/portage ?
19:28 BingoBoingo dorion, jfw: It occurs to me that an overview of the Gringo job market, cost of living, quality of life, etc in Panama could be of use to myself in the near future. Should diana_coman find this a useful allocation of some of either of your time.
19:30 diana_coman BingoBoingo: dorion has in his plan to write about his 7 years experience in Panama
19:30 diana_coman dorion: bump that up please.
19:31 diana_coman dorion: you don't have to chew the Panama civil code upfront for that either, it can wait for afterwards.
19:31 BingoBoingo diana_coman: If the description of Panama sounds promising, I can eat the law myself
19:32 diana_coman makes sense; he might still need to eat it too anyway for his own needs though.
19:32 diana_coman jfw: dorion where do you keep your servers anyway, do you know the local ISPs?
19:35 * BingoBoingo suspects is Panama has a downside its going to be Climate+USG proximity
19:37 diana_coman BingoBoingo: tbh I have no idea why would you want to go to Panama now but it can't hurt to consider the option at least, I suppose.
19:38 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I don't particularly want to. Looking at the map of where Datacenter live, Panama seems to have some for being between the continents. It also gets point for speaking spanish.
19:39 diana_coman that much is true, yes.
19:39 BingoBoingo Also best western hemisphere travel hub, if next gig is a persistently mobile one
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21:20 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009047 - yes, it can bootstrap from self. Python modules can be linked in statically at interpreter build time, though indeed this means you can't "just setup.py install" things with interpreter extensions. And yes X11 is a big ??? atm
21:20 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 04:20:05 bvt: jfw: is gales linux fully self-bootstrapping (has packages for gcc&etc., with all static libs installed)? what about python? iirc statically linking it can be a trouble because lots of python modules dlopen, and i really expect the same for x11
21:21 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009082 - ty dorion.
21:21 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:30:58 dorion: (not sure if I'm out of line there since the question wasn't addressed to me, but assumed he merely overlooked it given the outpour he was engaged in and decided to follow up in chan rather than nudge in pm)
21:30 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009063 - if I won S.NSA auction I'd lean toward rolling the dice on the untested option. If a higher value is declared there could also be hard-to-predict import duties on this end. If I paid all that extra I'd want some kinda guarantee that they'll actually work on arrival, and I dunno how realistic that is.
21:30 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 11:00:06 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: There's two ways they could be shipped. One is that I haven't tested them to see if they work, I put a value on the export paper with fedex under 200 USD because the machine's functonality is uncertain. They other way is I test the machine, declare a reasonable market value, pay a Dispachante de Aduanas ~350 to do export paperwork, and that... makes shipping a roughly ~700 USD affair per machine.
21:32 BingoBoingo jfw: If you in Panama you have the least onerous possible journey to the Oriental Republic of Uruguay. I don't see why you wouldn't buy a plane ticket and some giant suitcases if you won.
21:32 jfw BingoBoingo: do you have physical dimensions, weight and parts listing of dulap + spare?
21:32 jfw I'd be open to a tourist + courier run
21:33 BingoBoingo jfw: Pretty sure I've got measurements somewhere to dig up. Each dulap is ~14 kg
21:34 BingoBoingo 26x17.25x1.75 inches for a dulap. Or 66x44x5 in centimeters.
21:34 BingoBoingo And do consider that Pizarro will be firing off auctions soon as well http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/
21:37 diana_coman santa claus comes with dulaps this year
21:38 jfw http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-06#1009113 - we don't have servers atm. We looked into colocation options at a couple points, this turned up a couple 'machine room in office building' type things, and possibly some more dedicated facilities
21:38 ossabot Logged on 2019-11-06 15:38:04 diana_coman: jfw: dorion where do you keep your servers anyway, do you know the local ISPs?
21:39 jfw ty BingoBoingo.
21:40 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Don't forget the switches, rails, and other grab bag items.
21:40 diana_coman jfw: didn't you investigate those "possibly some more dedicated facilities" ?
21:41 BingoBoingo jfw: Mod6 also has a dell server he's interested in unloading. It is bigger and heavier than the dulaps, but it does have 6 2.5" bays and a set of spare power supplies.
21:41 BingoBoingo Intel inside though.
21:48 diana_coman BingoBoingo: looking at the pizarro auction proposal wouldn't it make more sense to link the server names to their specs?
21:49 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I don't have the specs handy in a single location yet. I'm not confident I'll locate the specs. I plan to take pictures, but I cannot in good conscience publish specs I am uncertain about.
21:50 diana_coman BingoBoingo: oh; don't you have them on pizarroisp.net or aren't you sure those match?
21:50 diana_coman eg http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/ for uy1?
21:50 diana_coman I mean: I roughly know the servers but not everyone else does.
21:53 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I am sure the information for every server is somewhere, but I've not yet found ever server's somewhere. I'll get the specs and publish an ad announcing intention to sell now that the shareholders seem to have accepted the plan.
21:53 diana_coman works.
21:54 jfw diana_coman: we didn't investigate very far re datacenters, as I recall because the bigger question-mark was re funding. (dorion, is that correct?)
21:57 BingoBoingo jfw: For purely geographical reasons I expect there are a couple IXPs nearby. Pretty sure I remember trying to get a hold of at least one back in 2017.
21:59 diana_coman jfw: are you running your blogs from your home currently?
21:59 * diana_coman vaguely remembers something in jfw's notes
22:00 diana_coman BingoBoingo: maybe you look up and figure out what/if isps in panama since you have to do that list anyway?
22:00 auctionbot S#1063 O=1 LB=20mn E=2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 (131h42) >>> selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
22:00 auctionbot --- end of auction list, 20mn total bids ---
22:03 jfw diana_coman: initially pizarro rockchip, now USG VPS. I was contemplating a fiber hookup at home, though dunno if I'd be able to cohabitate with rackmount box noise
22:04 diana_coman I wouldn't advise it really
22:04 diana_coman I mean: if you want to live in a dc, might as well switch your business plans and do a proper isp already
22:04 diana_coman could use it too
22:07 jfw It's worth considering, esp. if a battle-hardened BingoBoingo could advise or help. JFW is no BGP PhD
22:08 diana_coman jfw grab dorion too and consider then; best in here too.
22:08 diana_coman jfw: bgp?
22:09 jfw protocol by which ISPs advertise routes; though I'm using it here as symbolic of not having worked at 'proper ISP' with own address space and so on.
22:10 diana_coman that was what I wasn't clear on, aha.
22:11 diana_coman jfw: anyways, nobody's a phd at anything to start with; the issue is not that but quite different ie if you decide to do it, then it has to be done properly so not as a side thing or just bits and pieces and so on
22:12 diana_coman anyways, not something to say much on right now
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22:29 * diana_coman will be back tomorrow
22:29 jfw oh, diana_coman: dorion and I will be offline Saturday through mid-Sunday for some hiking in the mountains with the crew, which wasn't previously mentioned. (We thought it could be a later weekend, but schedule conflicts came up and this would be the last chance in 2019.)
22:30 diana_coman ha
22:31 diana_coman jfw: all right, just plan your reviews & plans so they still get published, more sanely on Friday I suppose.
22:31 diana_coman jfw: anything else?
22:32 BingoBoingo jfw: At this point I am not interested in joining ventures involving folks getting their feet wet in a new field. I am focusing my search on established operations.
22:32 BingoBoingo diana_coman: I'll end up doing that.
22:34 diana_coman BingoBoingo: no, you shouldn't get into a new isp for sure.
22:35 diana_coman jfw!
22:36 diana_coman mk.
22:37 jfw nope, ty.
22:41 jfw looks like I'll have my hands full digesting what I've inspired
22:41 ossabot (trilema) 2019-11-06 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, and in an unexpected turn of events, your pages are now inspiring trilema articles.
22:51 hanbot http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20#999045 << i'm thoroughly enjoying my logreading, haha. i've been missing out!
22:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-07-20 15:32:00 diana_coman: in crude words: don't cut off your own dick just because it's inconvenient to have one, at times
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23:35 jfw BingoBoingo: understandable & godspeed.
23:36 jfw welcome hanbot; I for one would count myself fortunate to have your keen eye & thoughtful pen in here.
23:46 hanbot thanks jfw. looking forward to checking out the individual histories here. the healthily open atmosphere diana_coman's very patiently fostered is so very pleasant. speaking of which, diana_coman wouldja ballpark your avg time commitment/day over the past four months or so in here?
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