#ossasepia | 2019-11-03

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lol whoops. (I realize I don't bother tab-completing your nick since it is so short)

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hmm but this may just be another 'user error' on my end actually. At least in all my test cases the source post did not have a link to the target post in the post content. Plus I just tested via the blog (making sure to actually link) and a self-pingback using the selection syntax worked

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lobbes

So false alarm I suppose. (As for why I was trackback-ing arbitrary posts that do not have links, it was part of mp-wp bot's trackback testing)

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jfw

Ahh makes sense.

~ 12 hours ~

12:04

00:02	lobbes	lol whoops. (I realize I don't bother tab-completing your nick since it is so short)
00:02	lobbes	hmm but this may just be another 'user error' on my end actually. At least in all my test cases the source post did not have a link to the target post in the post content. Plus I just tested via the blog (making sure to actually link) and a self-pingback using the selection syntax worked
00:02	lobbes	So false alarm I suppose. (As for why I was trackback-ing arbitrary posts that do not have links, it was part of mp-wp bot's trackback testing)
00:04	jfw	Ahh makes sense.
		~ 12 hours ~
12:04	diana_coman	hello davout, it's been a long time
		~ 3 hours 6 minutes ~
15:10	diana_coman	jfw: how's it going?
		~ 19 minutes ~
15:30	jfw	diana_coman: not the greatest, I'm in the eleventh hour crunch again
15:31	jfw	draft is not finished
15:31	diana_coman	jfw: what does it lack to be finished?
15:35	jfw	I've got a bunch of context as to my original goals and steps but what's lacking is much delving into the events of the month
15:36	diana_coman	jfw: in truth, it is a whole month indeed, dunno who exactly made it that.. long :P
15:36	diana_coman	but I'll let you focus on it now then, no worries.
15:41	dorion	dunno who exactly made it that.. long :P << keks
15:45	jfw	diana_coman: ok. Assuming I make it out of this one alive, is there an upcoming assignment I should get in next week's plan?
15:47	diana_coman	jfw: an overview of the WoT as you understand it.
15:48	jfw	alright
15:48	diana_coman	and do get out of it alive.
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16:34	diana_coman	dorion: what's the difference between negative space and blind spots?
16:41	dorion	diana_coman I'm not sure.
16:43	*	dorion searching in log now.
16:44	diana_coman	dorion: the easiest way to get an idea as to negative space is from drawing:
16:44	diana_coman	think of drawing an object such as a chair; the direct and usual approach is to look at the chair and attempt to draw its parts
16:45	diana_coman	however, the result is often way, way better if you look instead not at the chair itself but at the surrounding reality borders - basically the space that the chair takes out of its surroundings
16:46	diana_coman	the chair-shaped gap, if you want
16:46	diana_coman	no matter which bit or object you are looking at, there will be borders between it and surroundings
16:47	diana_coman	the object itself is the "positive" as in that's what you were interested in to start with; but the space around it (and not just arbitrary but effectively defining it) is the negative space
16:47	dorion	hmm, so then how the chair displaces whatever in the surroundings would've been there otherwise?
16:48	diana_coman	as such, the negative space has nothing to do directly with blind spots (in that such blind spots are your own ie related to your vision, things you don't see; while the negative space has to do with the object it defines)
16:49	diana_coman	dorion: more like how the chair is defined as a result of taking things away from the whole ; as opposed to "positive" definition of the more usual sort "this chair is 4 wooden legs and one wooden plank"
16:50	diana_coman	this difference btw goes way way deeper in that it touches on how meaning of words is constructed even (or at least in some languages)
16:51	diana_coman	dorion: the chair-drawing exercise is simple enough you can even do it, if you want; ie draw something focusing on the object itself; then on another day draw the same thing focusing on what is not-object in your chosen viewframe
16:51	diana_coman	and then compare the two
16:51	diana_coman	(now I have no idea how good you are at drawing, heh)
16:52	diana_coman	obviously, if you do it, choose something reasonably non-compact ie preferably not-a-tennis-ball, lolz.
16:52	dorion	diana_coman in that sense, I can be defined not by what I'm saying here or even the topic, but that you'd be doing something else right now if not delivering this negative space likbez.
16:53	diana_coman	well, you are not really defined by what I'm saying though :)