#ossasepia | 2019-10-13

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things are not to be measured by "time spent", at any rate.

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thimbronion: better measure the time by return gained on spending it, really, if you are asking "should I spend more on it now?" ; in other words: if you see how to make it better so that another hour would make a significant improvement, then you should find that hour, yes; if onth you don't see how to make it better but you only see that it is broken, then you gain more by publishing it for

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00:00	diana_coman	things are not to be measured by "time spent", at any rate.
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00:26	diana_coman	thimbronion: better measure the time by return gained on spending it, really, if you are asking "should I spend more on it now?" ; in other words: if you see how to make it better so that another hour would make a significant improvement, then you should find that hour, yes; if onth you don't see how to make it better but you only see that it is broken, then you gain more by publishing it for
00:26	diana_coman	feedback (regardless of what "embarassment" might say otherwise)
00:32	diana_coman	asciilifeform: production eulora server is all running on local testbed!
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01:13	whaack	diana_coman: grats re eulora! i published my interests post. also added pics to the Kyoto post and made a post for Seoul.
01:15	thimbronion	diana_coman: I don't see what to do to make it better.
01:24	thimbronion	diana_coman: I am going to publish with notes on where I see problems.
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04:05	asciilifeform	diana_coman: congrats !
04:06	asciilifeform	diana_coman: lemme know, when get chance, re if last-min. changes to cookbook that oughta be published, i'ma roll'em in when wake up.
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07:50	diana_coman	asciilifeform: other than those in yesterday's log (eg the pl2303 kernel option) there was I think only an issue with the mirrors set in /etc/portage/make.conf since a few of them were not responding anymore and the whole thing would grind to a halt waiting/retrying on them; the .pl one comes to mind ; at any rate, I'll want to have everything local really so I don't need any mirrors but that can
07:50	diana_coman	work of course only for a clearly defined set of needed packages so not sure there's anything for the recipe in there.
07:53	diana_coman	thimbronion: "There are other examples, but I have run out of time to cover them." - bwahahaha, this asks for a good beating, you know? looking at roi on time spent is one thing but skipping stuff with "there's more but I ran out of time, so get lost" is an entirely different thing.
07:55	diana_coman	thimbronion: "I don't know much about the author, and haven't read much of her blog, or her work in general," - the first part (I don't know much about X) may happen, it's a fact and so it only is; but the 2nd part is your utter failing and bad habit: confronted with the fact, you decided it did not matter, which is a very stupid thing to do.
07:56	diana_coman	so no, if you don't know, you don't just wing it, wtf! you should have read much of her blog to find out! yes, summarizing ONE piece may mean having to read a whole lot more, absolutely.
08:00	diana_coman	thimbronion: re conclusion that "doesn't come naturally": so you did this in whatever few hours you decided upfront it "should take" ; there is clearly some evolution from the initial mess; what do you think you've got for the time you spent on it? what do you think you need to do next to advance further on this direction?
08:02	diana_coman	whaack: lolz, pretentious much? worthy of your time, really.
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11:34	diana_coman	whaack: the separation tmsr/non-tmsr doesn't work on the lines you make it there: tmsr is not "just technical", that's idiocy; and if you insist at keeping tmsr separate/secret/that-thing-which-is-not-exactly-what-I-am, you are just headed for utter failure (possibly after some longish amount of misery)
11:38	diana_coman	whaack: similarly, you can't really be at the same time a great app-whore for assorted idiots and a man; if you insist with it, you'll just end up (at best) as the equivalent of a drag queen I suppose but it's really very unhealthy; you are better off bum-surfing for sure, in this case, since you get to actually enjoy some sort of life at least.
11:41	diana_coman	whaack: finally, this approach that you'll make that plan and the other + time it and all will suddenly be great is 1. unlikely to work (and you seem to already have some experience that it doesn't) 2. incompatible really with a mentor; if you want to do your own thing, then go and do your own thing but mind the required [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-26#1003986][big goal &
11:41	ossabot	Logged on 2019-09-26 05:27:48 diana_coman: if this is of the sort "I think I'm better off on my own" then it's quite easy to sort out too - set yourself a big goal and a deadline for it - e.g. "I'll make it to lordship on my own steam by April 2021 or I'll go on 1st of May 2022 on my knees to whoever will take me and do something useful with me"
11:41	diana_coman	deadline]
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13:07	whaack	diana_coman. good morning. 1) i see how the title comes off as pretentious and wish i could change it now 2) i guess i split into two categories because i didn't know whether or not items in section 2 were worth writing about for your consideration. but i understand first hand the problem w/ having tmsr as a secret side part, 3) re app-whoring. i can afford to snip this part out of my life, but i thought that its more prudent to g
13:07	whaack	o into the software dev biz with the 'extract' rather than 'work from' mindset instead of just floating off the cash i have now. but perhaps there is a 3rd option i am not seeing. 4) i do not think i'm better off on my own. i should have concluded with "this is what i think is important to me, i hope this gives diana_coman something to work with re telling me what to do"
13:10	diana_coman	whaack: there is a difference between "I'll have to eat some shit for subsistence for now" and "I want to become great at eating shit"
13:10	whaack	lol
13:14	diana_coman	whaack: realise that it's only what you write there that exist; there is this potential problem with distance-based help: since you aren't here, I can't look at you and see more than what you say/write.
13:14	diana_coman	exists*, gah
13:16	diana_coman	whaack: re software dev extract, as long as you make sure it's you doing the extracting and not the other way around, it can work; but note that each and every thing you do is still "you" and so, ideally, you'd still want to do something useful to yourself at least rather than damaging to yourself, that's the rub.
13:18	diana_coman	whaack: what are those "few programming languages" you say you learnt
13:18	whaack	okay. i will try to put myself in your shoes being the person reading what i write so i can convey better. i realize that i didn't do that at all
13:19	diana_coman	whaack: trouble is that you didn't really say much there; you classified the hell out of 3 beans basically
13:20	diana_coman	it's not about putting yourself in my shoes (ha!), that's a bit silly in that 1. you won't have just one reader; if you have only 1, then it's conversation so it belongs here 2. if you could put yourself in my shoes, then you wouldn't need me at all.
13:21	diana_coman	whaack: you can and should, of course, review whatever you write ie read it after a while and see if/to which degree it makes sense
13:21	whaack	well list of all the languages i have worked with in jobs/internships/school is: python, javascript, perl, go, ruby, c, and java