#ossasepia | 2019-10-09

jfw thanks for the paste. I will reference this when choosing an ircd.

15:50

whaack: what are your requirements exactly?

15:51

fwiw so far mivocloud indeed still looks best for access & responsiveness.

15:51

that being said, if you want a vps, I don't really know if it makes any difference really

15:52

the whole idea of a vps is that it's fungible so...

15:53

as of now very little. i just need a (shared) place i can ssh into and setup mpwp on and run a bouncer. in the future i will want a dedicated machine to run a node.

15:55

whaack: so I'd say for a shared place, just go with whatever, maybe even some dc close enough to you if you think you can actually end up later talking to them

15:56

but other than that, what diff does it make really

15:56

for the node, you can run it with mivocloud, at least there isn't as yet any node there, helps with the spread

15:58

diana_coman: plan update: I'm going to spend the time I would have spent contacting irc network admins tihs week re-establishing my blog. I estimate I can have tihs done by Sunday, depending on when my backups from pizarro become available.

16:00

okay good to know re btc node

16:03

thimbronion: works; the pizarro imploding is indeed catastrophic-level so needs tending; but: what do you mean re backups?

16:03

thimbronion: don't you have your own backups?

16:04

asciilifeform

errybody's getting backup, diana_coman . but yes people who had own, will have sooner.

16:04

diana_coman: I didn't set up backups for my pizarro blog.

16:04

thimbronion: *always* set up backups; always.

16:05

diana_coman: my pizarro blog is pretty much the only thing I have that's not backed up.

16:06

i confess i also do not have backups for my pizarro posts.

16:06

jfw, shrysr, lobbes, whaack, thimbronion, anyone else even remotely interested: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240

16:06

I've restored from own backup and as far as I can see there's no loss; let me know if you spot any trouble though

16:06

asciilifeform

all the folx who neglected to make backups, plz talk to BingoBoingo , he is setting up with trinque a box where you can get gpg'd dumps of yer boxen.

16:09

diana_coman: what process did you use to backup younghands.club?

16:11

thimbronion: a script dumping the db locally + ran by crontab; another script+crontab retrieving the whole www + home dirs remotely & storing them to the 1st backup level

16:11

thimbronion: a 30 second solution (albeit maybe not the best) would be a recursive wget

16:11

whaack: that's a rather ugh solution

16:12

whaack, thimbronion talk to BingoBoingo and get your backups then; but yes, MAKE BACKUPS.

16:13

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BingoBoingo baking .tar.gzips

16:13

thank you BingoBoingo for saving their asses really.

16:13

BingoBoingo: yes ty.

16:14

whaack: thimbronion do you have mp-wp?

16:15

diana_coman: yes. only missing the db dump.

16:15

yes that was what ztkfg.com was running on

16:15

whaack: I know it was; the q is if you still have it locally though;

16:16

ah sorry of course. no i need to get it again

16:16

right; let me put it somewhere on younghands.club I suppose

16:16

probably will come in handy for others too

16:17

but hm, do you people have at least a working V locally?

16:20

diana_coman: my local v has issues - likely related to running on osx, but I haven't yet solved them. I do have a working v on my colo though.

16:20

my local v also with issues

16:21

you know, v can't have issues, sorry to inform.

16:22

and what the fuck is this, "has issues"; next it will have rights too or something; either you say specifically what is *wrong* with your setup or you sort it out already.

16:23

BingoBoingo

The backups being .tar.gz.gpg 'd up home directories and .sql dumps for everyone. It's just taking time to bake them. Some are rather large.

16:25

diana_coman: i had not used v on this machine in a while and when you asked i ran it and it ran into an error. but it appears fixed. the problem was there was a newline before the #!/usr/bin/perl

16:26

whaack: moral being, don't rush.

~ 20 minutes ~

16:46

shrysr

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-09#1004866 << logged in for a quick check. fwiw: it is ***much*** faster to load than before, even on my mine connection.

16:46

ossabot

Logged on 2019-10-09 12:06:19 diana_coman: jfw, shrysr, lobbes, whaack, thimbronion, anyone else even remotely interested: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240

16:48

shrysr: I suspect there were a few layers slowing that install down; anyways, good to know it works well.

~ 46 minutes ~

17:35

whaack thimbronion , anyone else interested, v-trees page (with mpwp patches only, for now): http://younghands.club/v-trees/

17:43

to add the meat to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-09#1004872 : the reason why a recursive wget is a very poor "backup" solution is that you get the *output* rather than the source of your website; ie the restore will be a pain in the ass.

17:43

ossabot

Logged on 2019-10-09 12:11:36 diana_coman: whaack: that's a rather ugh solution

17:43

and more generically, the approach "will grab the looks" betrays a user view of the matter rather than an owner's

17:44

while it may seem initially "easier", it's a whole lot *harder* as soon as you actually try to do anything with it (ie as soon as you need to do a restore)

17:47

diana_coman: re: v-trees ty I find this helpful and will use it to properly press mp-wp.

~ 22 minutes ~

18:09

likewise. brb setting up bouncer.

~ 2 hours 49 minutes ~

20:59

whaack: what's your plan for those few days until the Sunday deadline?

21:06

First, i am getting ztkfg.com back online. (currently doing that now on digitalocean) Then I would like to publish my Seoul post and at least jot down some notes on Tokyo. Tomorrow until Sunday I will be working on the my-interests post, although I haven't planned on how i'm going to break down the hours spent writing the post.

21:08

whaack: you don't need a too-detailed breakdown; what you *do* need however is a clear limit on other activities (ie reserved time for the work)

21:08

ideally with breaks too esp since it's potentially something on which you need to do background thinking too ie while doing other stuff

21:09

One other thing that is time sensitive is figuring out if there's any items i need to obtain to bring to CR. I would like an FG for example but that may take a week+ to ship.

21:09

whaack: atm afaik FG are not for sale really

21:10

dunno if this changes once pizarro ashes settle down but it's not something you should wait on now

21:10

not to mention - you don't need it *now* anyway

21:10

but do plan your stuff /luggage/trip/whatever for cr too

21:12

alright. i can always get it in CR later, it's just more of a hassle.

21:14

whaack: it might be easier actually; mp got his without any trouble, in cr (and not by special mail or anything of the sort)

21:17

okay, i imagine my mail receiving will be a little more tricky since i am far from SJO and can only be reached via dirt roads, but i really have nfi

21:18

it will probably just require a trip to a post office

21:19

I wouldn't worry about that *now*; plenty more pressing matters really; fwiw costa ricans are used to own dirt roads and no addresses anyway so yeah, I'd be surprised if it doesn't make it to your door brought by a smiley girl too.

21:20

but in any case: it might be more difficult to actually get a FG as such atm esp if it's just like that to try one/no clear useful output in sight.

21:24

right. i do not feel in dire need of an FG right now. i was just using it as an example of an item that may be easier to obtain if i try to get it ~today rather than later. More pressing is hardware/batteries to deal with electricity issues. During the rainy season it's not so uncommon for the power to die for 24hours+

21:24

whaack: listen, focus this week, ok? list the things you *have* to do, pin that list on your nose if you have to but *stick* to it

21:24

ok

21:24

aha, *that* is certainly more pressing because without electricity, uhm; so can't you get a generator or what?

21:29

i will look for one. maybe it'd be better if i just found a place to buy one in CR since that may be a pain to carry / give me trouble at the airport

21:30

whaack: yes, I meant one in CR

21:30

but do *look* before you go, plan it or it won't happen

21:31

from what I understand you know people there already so talk to them, ask them etc

21:32

whaack: how long does it take you to jot down a to-do list for this week?

21:33

well I just made this http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=y_Un , idk if this is specific enough though

21:33

BingoBoingo

whaack: The kinda generator you need for 24+ hour outages is a buy locally thing. Even the kind you use for up to 8 are too heavy per baggagehandler union rules

21:37

whaack: that's a schedule; a to-do list goes 1. find out if/where I can buy a generator in CR 2. write the full post on interests 3. ...

21:38

whaack: schedule is fine, sure, but a different thing.

21:39

ok i will make a separate todo list and adjust the schedule if necessary to have the goal of completing the todo list.

21:40

whaack: my q was *how long*; because if you can jot it down in half-hour max, do it and publish it and we can use it; if it takes you one day, it's not worth it

21:40

this to-do list is to help you focus & organise, not an exam

21:44

yeah its the kind of thing i could get trapped rewriting over and over and wasting a day on. so how about I dedicate 30 mins to it right now and see what comes out

21:44

whaack: sounds good, go ahead.

~ 25 minutes ~

22:09

http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ekky (took 25 mins)

22:11

whaack: as long as you did not spill it over 30 at least; though honestly, you are overthinking/over-optimising too soon

22:13

okay. i noticed that i did have 90% of that in the first ~10 mins and didn't really gain anything for the last 15 mins, that's why i quit before using up the 30min.

22:14

whaack: so let's see, you have 3 main things: tmsr, cr trip, meat

22:14

whaack: you really need to learn to structure stuff better; for one thing you are mixing categories there, what sort of enummeration is that ?

22:15

all items need to be same type aka if you classify something, you can't change criteria in the middle

22:15

some tasks are by frequency, others by topic and so on

22:16

anyways, back to it: for tmsr you need to setup your blog, do the travel backlog, do the post that kept growing/was postponed; hopefully this last one was not abandoned until now but anyways

22:18

for CR you need basics in luggage + making sure you can work from there (incl...travel adapters if needed, lolz) & preparing the ground as much as you can;

22:18

re books I don't know - you can't order them there or what?

22:19

whaack: are there some specific books you need all of a sudden? why/what?

22:20

re categorization - ack that it is dumb. maybe there's no reason to have any categorization and instead i should only order by priority

22:23

re books: i just consider that such as luggage that benefits from prepping. there's stocked bookstores here in nyc, but not where i am there. i guess it is low priority since as you mention i can just figure out how to order them there.

22:26

whaack: and books are *heavy*

22:27

(says one who lugged about a whole library though not in one go)

22:27

but note that you can get them delivered there too, what

22:28

okay. i have heard stories of people in my general area having trouble getting stuff delivered and perhaps have been planning on this misconception that it is impossible.

22:29

whaack: so better talk to them and find out exactly what dumb thing they did to have trouble, so you don't do it too

22:30

BingoBoingo

The books I packed for Uruguay were the least useful items by weight and volume

22:30

understand that the world *responds* to what you do, really; so there is no such generic, overall thing "can't do x or y"

22:32

whaack: anyway, I'd say finish setting up your blog today + any of the backlog of travel stuff you can manage; then for making luggage focus on the goals there ie what you know already that you *need*

22:33

whaack: for the post re interests, work on it every day rather than all of it in one go; and esp do it properly rather than just quickly at the end for another lack of time or whatever

22:34

and ofc, plan in some meat wot-bye time, why not, just not excessive, it's not another planet entirely

22:35

whaack: ask if there is/appears more fuziness; don't polish inconsequential stuff

22:37

okay ty. i'll try to get the blog online today but jetlag is starting to kick in so if i run into some issue i may just get it done early tomorrow morning.

22:38

whaack: ok; sleep, certainly.

22:39

and i will minizime time derping trying to brainstorm things i will want for CR

22:39