#ossasepia | 2019-10-02

00:43

diana_coman: ossabot fell down btw

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01:08

thimbronion: ty for reminding me. i've updated that post and will get around to the remaining older posts over the next few days. Reason: somewhere around that point - https was removed.. i.e all my blog links will work if you use http. apologise for the inconvenience.

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03:06

00:43	lobbes	diana_coman: ossabot fell down btw
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01:08	shrysr	thimbronion: ty for reminding me. i've updated that post and will get around to the remaining older posts over the next few days. Reason: somewhere around that point - https was removed.. i.e all my blog links will work if you use http. apologise for the inconvenience.
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03:06	diana_coman	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-01#1004363 - this is fine for usual work but not for problems of this sort; even with problems you need to discriminate, which ones can wait and which ones can't; you know, if it was non-wot blog, I would just stop commenting there entirely.
03:06	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-01 19:05:17 thimbronion: diana_coman: also, the optimal times for me to do dev work outside of my consulting work are Sat./Sun. mornings, so something like patching my blog I would usually save for that time.
03:07	diana_coman	so no, don't save fixing front-line shit for when it's convenient, that's a very poor strategy.
03:18	diana_coman	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-01#1004369 - Japan, the land of head-banging and furiously effective body-scrubbing; not bad for a first visit.
03:18	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-01 23:53:05 whaack_travel: diana_coman: done! http://ztkfg.com/2019/10/kyoto-japan/
03:20	diana_coman	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-02#1004370 - yes, it got stuck on idiotic error; I'll have to try bvt's fix for this.
03:20	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-02 00:43:56 lobbes: diana_coman: ossabot fell down btw
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03:52	diana_coman	might as well add it here too, since it's one of those "front-line trouble, needs sorted now, can't wait until it's convenient": http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939618
03:52	ossabot	Logged on 2019-10-02 04:07:18 diana_coman: and deployed; ossabot now running with bvt's fix for socket-trouble.
03:54	diana_coman	fwiw no, manually resync of bots, manually applying fixes and doing redeploy first thing in the morning is not convenient at all.
04:02	diana_coman	thimbronion: that irc networks lists is not bad for a start; see comment.
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08:34	auctionbot	B#1061 O=161mn LB=161mn E=2019-10-01 11:55:34.297573 (11h55) >>> 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
08:34	auctionbot	--- end of auction list, 161mn total bids ---
08:34	auctionbot	B#1061 O=161mn LB=161mn E=2019-10-02 05:55:34.297573 (5h55) >>> 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
08:34	auctionbot	--- end of auction list, 161mn total bids ---
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09:00	diana_coman	!o uptime
09:00	ossabot	diana_coman: time since my last reconnect : 0d 5h 10m
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11:29	thimbronion	diana_coman: can you clarify the distinction between normal and front-line tasks for me? Also, what is the standard for republican blog functionality?
11:36	thimbronion	shrysr: ty!
11:41	thimbronion	I will be afk a lot today so apologies in advance if I am slow to respond.
11:48	diana_coman	thimbronion: this would be the standard for republican blog functionality
11:53	diana_coman	thimbronion: concrete details re normal vs front-line can be given in specific contexts really, not generically like that; the generic rule would be front-line = problems that get in other people's way really; those need to be addressed asap but "addressed" may mean giving a clear schedule re fix
11:54	diana_coman	your html-eating trouble got in the way of all people who wanted perhaps to comment there and moreover it also had a potentially huge cost for you
11:55	diana_coman	ie not fixing it quickly meant for sure losing information (at the very least the actual links) + potentially losing commenters in the long run + getting a bad rep too, hence the "it's a very poor strategy"
11:56	diana_coman	so at the very least there should have been a "sorry people, I'll get around to fix this by Saturday, meanwhile please comment in chan and I'll add them there" + a notice on the blog or something
11:58	diana_coman	but do note that every time you ask people to wait, that part has a cost too so you get to decide on what it's worth it and on what it's not (usually, if it's easy enough to fix, you are better off just doing it, no matter how inconvenient)
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12:29	diana_coman	thimbronion: did you just... vanish the irc-list post from your blog???
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13:42	thimbronion	diana_coman: I put it back in draft mode for further editing.
13:44	diana_coman	thimbronion: ugh, don't do that, no; once you published it, leave it there; update it afterwards (with marked "updated + date") but don't move it about
13:44	asciilifeform	diana_coman: it's bad practice. publish errata instead.
13:44	diana_coman	asciilifeform: what?
13:44	asciilifeform	thimbronion: like e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452
13:45	diana_coman	he published as draft; a list that wasn't complete but on which he could use feedback
13:45	diana_coman	it's not exactly errata, no
13:45	asciilifeform	diana_coman: ah
13:45	asciilifeform	diana_coman: was commenting re 'dun delete posts', but you spoke faster, lol
13:46	diana_coman	thimbronion: if you just want my feedback on something, you can put it on paste.deedbot.org and ask me in chan; works that way too
13:47	thimbronion	diana_coman: Ah ok yeah I like that approach. Would lack the formatting though.
13:47	diana_coman	asciilifeform: dunno, you aimed at me "it's bad practice" so ...
13:47	asciilifeform	diana_coman: ah no, was for thimbronion
13:47	asciilifeform	i mistyped.
13:48	diana_coman	thimbronion: eh, a few spaces are usually enough to make sense of it really
13:48	*	asciilifeform with stomach virus, firing on 1 cylinder, prolly oughta stay off the console
13:48	diana_coman	asciilifeform: better take care of yourself, yes; and get well soon!
13:48	asciilifeform	ty diana_coman
13:50	diana_coman	thimbronion: overall, the important bit that you seem to have little practice with - despite what /how it might seem, you are not working alone (or not anymore).
13:56	thimbronion	diana_coman: I am certainly not used to anyone giving a shit about my blog. I usually work on pretty big teams, but we use issue trackers to coordinate.
14:01	diana_coman	thimbronion: the whole point of a blog though is to ...communicate with others; so better use it like they are there anyway, regardless of what might seem, since 1. you can't really tell it, anyway 2. it's better to make good habits than bad habits, after all
14:02	diana_coman	thimbronion: hopefully you don't want to add issue trackers around here though.
14:05	thimbronion	diana_coman: I don't love them.
14:08	diana_coman	I have yet to meet a sane person who also loves issue trackers, indeed.