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14:44 diana_alt ugh, no deedbot
14:45 asciilifeform apparently not
14:49 diana_alt asciilifeform: 4 runs of curl http://54.209.217.34/log/trilema/2018-04-18#1802801 > /dev/null give http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1llzt/?raw=true
14:50 asciilifeform ty diana_alt !
14:52 asciilifeform diana_alt: imho thus far errything points to the ~pipe~
14:52 asciilifeform given e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929698
14:52 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-19 16:38:26 asciilifeform: ... from here eats 0.268s.
14:53 diana_alt BingoBoingo: do you mind waiting until the end of this week for the payment of the Pizarro invoice for my rk?
14:54 diana_alt asciilifeform: it would seem so, yes.
14:55 asciilifeform diana_alt: btw what sorta load time do you get for 'heavy page' from phf's log
14:55 asciilifeform ?
14:55 asciilifeform ( his also iirc in usa )
14:56 BingoBoingo diana_alt: No problem at all
14:58 diana_alt BingoBoingo: thanks!
14:58 diana_alt asciilifeform: hm, a bit longer if anything: real is around 1.5s on 4 runs
14:59 diana_alt same precise page
15:00 asciilifeform diana_alt: the mirror is on largest spam isp in usa (lulazon) and actually can be moved between a dozen or so locations , we can experiment later if want
15:00 diana_alt specifically: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/su9en/?raw=true
15:00 asciilifeform ( they have a thing where you can pick in what city )
15:01 asciilifeform atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere.
15:02 asciilifeform diana_alt: my log pages are slightly heavier than phf's, he had 'minimized' css , some scheme for cutting out unprinted whitespace also
15:03 asciilifeform it's not a huge diff tho iirc
15:08 diana_alt no, not a huge difference anyway; tbh for the moment I can't see much more info to be gotten out of further simple timing tests (or maybe I just don't see it)
15:09 asciilifeform diana_alt: thus far seems to me that we're seeing 100% pipe effect
15:09 asciilifeform ( as confirmed by lobbes , my logtron generates the page in approx same time it takes to move the mouse button. can't say re phf's , likely same )
15:10 asciilifeform i.e. no amt of massage of the proggy is going to make a perceptible diff re load time.
15:10 diana_alt I agree it looks 100% pipe effect
15:11 asciilifeform imho what's needed, is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929756 .
15:11 snsabot Logged on 2019-08-19 21:52:50 asciilifeform: rly what we oughta have is 7+ ~active~ bots/logotrons on 7 continents, then no one will have to grumble 'wai slow'
15:11 diana_alt asciilifeform: do you recommend just mirroring them on heathen vms?
15:12 asciilifeform it poses some difficulty; e.g. the 1 i used, is in fact banned from fleanode (unless sslized) on acct of spam
15:12 asciilifeform but proggy is lightweight enuff that it in fact runs a++ in cheapo pseudohosters
15:13 asciilifeform (observe that rubbish-mirror has no bot, it is synced via db dump / cron )
15:14 asciilifeform seems that any host service which offers traditional python2, will run the thing.
15:14 diana_alt looking at it from the other side, why not just mirror them in the cheapest way too; supposedly there still are some that are not banned on acct of spam either;
15:14 asciilifeform it took me just slightly over half hour to set up the example mirror.
15:15 asciilifeform ( all of the necessary instructions, i think are in the readme )
15:16 asciilifeform note that the bot doesn't need to be voiced in order to log.
15:16 diana_alt asciilifeform: I still tend to do a *2 for myself on all your timings; but in any case, it's still on my list for when I get back to my desk
15:16 asciilifeform diana_alt: the moar, the merrier.
15:18 diana_alt asciilifeform: maybe add those cron/instructions as a patch though?
15:18 asciilifeform diana_alt: it's defo going in next patch.
15:18 diana_alt i.e. add to the readme or something so one doesn't need to dig in the logs
15:18 diana_alt great, thanks!
15:18 asciilifeform imho mirrors synced via cron aint especially useful tho
15:18 asciilifeform as they don't help to bridge gaps in log in the event the bot (of which atm there is only 1, of my type) is bumped
15:19 diana_alt sure; that doesn't mean they don't help in any other way though
15:19 asciilifeform a proper logtron oughta have own bot, going in realtime
15:19 diana_alt sure
15:19 asciilifeform the lulazon mirror, i set up specifically to probe q of 'is proggy/web stack slow'
15:22 asciilifeform as soon as someone sets up proper mirror (i.e. with working bot), we can start on the q of how to auto-sync.
15:23 asciilifeform ( it prolly has not escaped diana_alt's notice, that in so doing we're more or less rebuilding the relevant pieces irc )
15:23 asciilifeform *of irc
15:26 asciilifeform btw re the cron : the instructions posted in log earlier do not in fact result in a working auto-cronsync ; turns out that it is necessary to run 'init_db' script prior to importing a dump, or postgres barfs . this results in 5 or so min. down time (i.e. machine shows empty log)
15:26 asciilifeform i have not conceived of any simple pill against this, of yet.
15:27 asciilifeform imho such mirroring is not all that useful, so did not put serious effort into any such thing as e.g. 'trim the dump so doesn't conflict with existing'
15:31 asciilifeform any auto-sync really oughta use the 'raw-export' knob (implemented -- emitter, but no receiver of yet)
15:31 diana_alt yes, a proper separate working bot (ideally many of them) is the real need; this sort of mirrors are lowest-effort and a rather different thing, can't see any reason to spend a lot of time on them either
15:33 asciilifeform diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/ossasepia?istart=1000404&iend=1000461 << example
15:37 asciilifeform diana_alt: imho errybody in l1 oughta have a working bot. (dun even have to be copy of mine, but oughta emit same 'raw' format ideally)
15:37 diana_alt shrysr: those copy/paste bits on your blog - what's exactly their role/your idea with them? they don't quite make posts for sure; are you trying to build a sort of reference list there or what?
15:41 diana_alt asciilifeform: I think I even said as much before, yes; it might have been as a comment on trilema though, can't seem to find it quickly right now.
15:42 diana_alt the above re every lord should run a bot as an even more basic requisite than running a node
15:44 diana_alt there, found it, last line in http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130485
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22:45 shrysr I replied to your comment... they are not posts. It was meant to be a reference... and I guess I liked the story quite a bit.
22:46 trinque funny thing is, looking back on it... it was bad lisp!
22:46 trinque the class and method naming at the very least, written like some java dork
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