#ossasepia | 2019-08-09

lobbes: did you ever saw the questions/feedback of yesterday?

08:56

diana_coman: where was this again? blog or in a castle? If you point me, I will read

08:56

or perhaps already read!

09:05

here; not yet in the logs as the bot was not yet on

09:05

lemme fish it out

09:06

11:36 diana_coman: lobbes, looking through your http://blog.lobbesblog.com/category/reporting/ posts there are 2 things that strike me: 1. some seem to just slip off without clarity as to what happened/what's your decision there (e.g. pizarro ads - did you hit a wall with it? did you postpone it (when/what)? did you abandon it? what exactly is it and from what specific causes?) 2. it doesn't seem all that clear/pointed anywhere: how do yo

09:20

ty, this is exactly the feedback I seek. Yes, I think you have a point there. I have this habit of not being clear in both my causes, and my results it seems

09:21

lobbes: did the above get cut? or is it just the logger?

09:21

it read: clear/pointed anywhere: how do you choose your hopper items anyway?

09:22

it was indeed cut

09:22

kk; at least no bug to report re logger, heh.

09:24

re: how do I choose... I think I try and go with whatever seems the 'most pressing need for the republic that I can also do with the skills I have'

09:24

but perhaps I need to refine my choosing methods here. problem with the pressing need qualifier is that needs are always changing by nature

09:26

aha; and that you keep the whole thing entirely out of yourself which is not that good for building yourself up

09:27

basically yes, answer the trumpet calls by all means but that shouldn't be *all* you do

09:28

this is very true. I guess I have trouble knowing when I should ignore certain calls

09:28

and when I should just stick to what I'm currently working on

09:29

the 1st point is to build yourself up as roundely as possible (and as a side effect this will inevitably *also* position you in a much better place to help/answer pressing needs)

09:31

I don't know if it's about ignoring really, I wouldn't go that far; but for one thing pressing needs can't really make for a full, sane path just in themselves, it's a bit like living for emergencies only

09:31

this makes sense

09:31

and for the other thing offering is not just a "good intentions" thing - it's a commitment

09:32

for that matter it's rather easy to end up in hot soup *because of * good intentions (that were just that, wanted to but had poorly evaluated/bit more than could chew)

09:32

yeah, I think the Inca state likes to breed this sort of "a good worker says yes to *everythin*" kind of toxic thinking

09:33

there is some space for "bit sligthly more so as to motivate and advance faster" but it has to be still a considered choice I'd say

09:33

yeah, that's kind of it too. I figured that I need to grow, so I'd challenge myself. Buuut I don't think I thought things through enough in most cases

09:34

quite possibly yes, I can see that (a combination of "saying yes is easy" + "no real consequences if not delivering" + "works means sort of ")

09:35

growth yes, but it has to build on where you are, it can't just jump 10 levels up all of a sudden "because that's what's needed right now"

09:35

speaking of work that has no real consquences of not delivering, I got to head to the mines. BUT thank you very much already for helping me think through this stuff. It is appreciated

09:35

and yeah, realistic growth is the key, huh

09:36

I will be reading these logs now that they exist!

09:36

in other words: the world (and tasks) is not flat and if you don't even see the mountain, it just means you are actually ...underground, not yet at ground level even

09:36

kk

~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~

10:39

diana_coman: i see some glimpses of the mountains from my underground lair

10:44

shrysr: so come out to the light! heh

10:47

trying to! what did lobbes mean by heading to the mines ?

10:48

shrysr: he went to his place of employment aka "the mines" ; also known as "the slave galley"

10:49

if you are not familiar with it, salt mines (and rock quaries or similarly hard labour) was done with convicts mainly/only

10:49

you call your salt mines "the office" iirc

10:50

ah. I did not know it was done mainly/only with convicts

10:51

european history; USA equivalent would be cotton-picking (aka slave labour, obv)

10:53

:D yes i do call it the office/.

~ 4 hours 4 minutes ~

14:57

diana_coman: did you get a pingback notification?

14:59

I see you got my earlier pingback for http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/30/my-first-2-years-as-cto-for-minigame/ ... did you get another just now ?

15:02

asciilifeform

shrysr: 'salt mine' is traditional parlance for where (usually) programmer does ultimately pointless, backbreaking sweat, so as to pay for food/flat. (an especially odious saltmine may be next level, 'gulag', see e.g. .)

15:16

shrysr: no notification of it at least; also no notification of your post - did you change your rss link for posts and/or comments?

15:29

diana_coman: how about just now? its just a test, for another article

15:30

the rss may have changed.. right now it is http://s.ragavan.co/index.xml i tried this on my feedreader and it works

15:32

diana_coman: it should be working actually >> see my webmention linking on this post https://scripter.co/splitting-an-org-block-into-two/#webmentions

15:39

shrysr: eh, so what, you imagine I jump and change every time you futz it about ?

15:39

*

diana_coman will bbl

15:42

:( futz it about is so crude ... i am making it awsome ! wtffffffff

~ 1 hours 31 minutes ~

17:13

fff is for futz-futz-futz, obv

17:13