| 00:02 |
Adlai |
nice domain name byte order :D |
| 00:03 |
chalbersma |
Looks interesting. |
| 00:06 |
chalbersma |
I assume they're hosting the code somewhere? |
| 00:07 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
really only here for now: http://therealbitcoin.org no github or anything yet |
| 00:07 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
afaik |
| 00:13 |
decimation |
there's nothing like reading a slow signal on an old analog scope |
| 00:21 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
chalbersma - also worth mentioning (what's wrong w/ the 'official' ver): http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html |
| 00:21 |
assbot |
A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 |
| 00:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00056317 = 9.2078 BTC [+] {2} |
| 00:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20124 @ 0.00056367 = 11.3433 BTC [+] |
| 00:28 |
mircea_popescu |
<RagnarDanneskjol> in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable << why ? |
| 00:28 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader. << nah, not related. |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet. << pretty much how this works yes. |
| 00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
<Adlai> nice domain name byte order :D << ben_vulpes idea |
| 00:39 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
mircea_popescu i suppose the notion of taxation in any form makes my brain burn -whether it be through force, state declaration or moral requirement. I am all in favor of the foundation and will likely contribute more than .01% of my earnings to it, but pressing a moral obligation or establishing a rule/precedent for 'taxation' for anyone participating in btc commerce just doesn't make |
| 00:39 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
any sense to me -especially until the foundation proves its worth/value |
| 00:40 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
*especially without |
| 00:49 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol well... you familiar with the expression "i gave at the office" ? |
| 00:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i dont think so. maybe |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, arguing against all tax may be a difficult tack for your average business trying to get on with its business rather than become noam chomsky. |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
manwhile, if they subscribe to this, they don't have to : "i won't pay you any tax, not for any other reason than that ~i already paid~". |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
case closed. |
| 00:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha, if only it were that easy |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
so in this sense, it's politically useful. while i can appreciate the philosophical argument of "epsilon is still fundamentally different from 0", it doesn't carry as much practical importance as all that. for one thing, everyone feels entitled to tax you .1%, including any bank moving your money, and so on and so forth. heck, the miners are taxing about 0.1% |
| 00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
making it a moral imperative rather than a legal imperative is also important, precisely because the ancient style of voluntary taxation is actually superior, on all scores, to whatever coercitive crap the socialists are doing today. |
| 00:55 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
not a tax - those are fees - paying for a service - one can opt out. point taken on moral vs legal imperative.. its the imperative part i'm still struggling with |
| 00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ever read http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ ? |
| 00:56 |
assbot |
Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 00:56 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oohh - I believe i missed it.. reading nao |
| 00:57 |
mircea_popescu |
main point being that ever since kant, all sorts of imperatives are left around. |
| 00:57 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm. i see |
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| 01:21 |
scoopbot |
New post on BTC Scoop by peter: http://blog.btcscoop.com/nopdf-a-pdf-to-text-conversion-tool/ |
| 01:23 |
PeterL |
mircea_popescu: ^this one's for you :) |
| 01:24 |
* |
Adlai tries his hand at the turd polish |
| 01:30 |
Adlai |
https://github.com/adlai/bitcoin/tree/polish asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol chalbersma and anybody else... fork and reuse |
| 01:30 |
assbot |
adlai/bitcoin at polish · GitHub |
| 01:31 |
chalbersma |
Thanks! |
| 01:31 |
Adlai |
np, and welcome |
| 01:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18254 @ 0.00056483 = 10.3104 BTC [+] |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL ah splwendid! |
| 01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!s pdf |
| 01:35 |
assbot |
303 results for 'pdf' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pdf |
| 01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl=https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/download/fedora_content/download/ac:141620/CONTENT/Ammous_columbia_0054D_10412.pdf |
| 01:37 |
PeterL |
I wonder if I should be caching a copy of documents so that it does not have to do the conversion for everybody clicking the link you just posted? |
| 01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
the next words out of my mouth were, PeterL pls to cache documents and |
| 01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla feature request : when assbot parses a pdf url, can it spit it out with http://btcscoop.com/cgi-bin/convert.py?docurl= prefixed for convenience, while also making a http request so as to start the conversion ? |
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| 01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL "HTTP gateway timed out". caching's a must. |
| 01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
also if you queue incoming requests you can make sure you don't overrun your resources. sorta like how phuctor works |
| 01:40 |
PeterL |
hmm, now thinking of best way to do this ... |
| 01:43 |
kakobrekla |
convert on first request then serve from disk |
| 01:43 |
kakobrekla |
for converter. |
| 01:53 |
Adlai |
chalbersma (and anybody else who may have looked at the repo), please make sure to pull the non-FF changes that properly attribute commit authors |
| 01:57 |
chalbersma |
When I get a chance to do some hacking I'll be sure to. |
| |
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| 02:53 |
ben_vulpes |
an interesting approach, Adlai. |
| 02:53 |
ben_vulpes |
i'll link in the AM. |
| 02:54 |
ben_vulpes |
the thing is best pursued as the outputs of *authors*, rather than any sort of "blessed" anything by any sort of "foundation". |
| 02:55 |
ben_vulpes |
in the same vein as the declaration, the only code that matters is that as published by *individuals*, and only ever those in the wot. |
| 02:55 |
ben_vulpes |
Adlai: do us all a favor, and send the mailing list an email, yeah? |
| 02:56 |
ben_vulpes |
describe the repo in question and your branching policy if you have such and the time to elaborate upon it. |
| 03:05 |
mircea_popescu |
!up phish |
| 03:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"I lost a shit load in investments. I dont have anymore BTC left." |
| 03:10 |
mircea_popescu |
random forum imbecile, november 5th 2014. |
| 03:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"investments" they're called. mpoe-pr was totally a smart way to use money huh. |
| 03:11 |
ben_vulpes |
who is this: http://futurerant.tumblr.com/ |
| 03:11 |
assbot |
FutureRant |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody ? |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
!up zanza |
| 03:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"In my last post, I posited a fictional world, Crypton, where no governments1 back up contracts with the threat of force2." |
| 03:13 |
mircea_popescu |
"i read some shit from last year's trilema and here's my inept respinning of it!" |
| 03:13 |
zanza |
has anyone tried Bit4x? |
| 03:13 |
mircea_popescu |
isn;'t that kakobrekla's thing ? |
| 03:13 |
zanza |
yeah, he lists this as the IRC channel :o |
| 03:14 |
kakobrekla |
yeah |
| 03:14 |
kakobrekla |
sup |
| 03:14 |
zanza |
hey :D |
| 03:14 |
kakobrekla |
hi |
| 03:14 |
zanza |
bit4x good site? i am looking to do forex in bitcoin |
| 03:15 |
zanza |
it seems to have goot OTC review |
| 03:15 |
zanza |
good* |
| 03:15 |
kakobrekla |
well the site isnt that good but the service is |
| 03:15 |
zanza |
ok :) cool ill send an email and like to setup an cct |
| 03:15 |
kakobrekla |
alright |
| 03:16 |
zanza |
support@bit4x.com |
| 03:16 |
kakobrekla |
should work |
| 03:16 |
zanza |
the people on Bitcointalk seem rude |
| 03:16 |
zanza |
bitcointalk.com |
| 03:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://altcoinpress.com/2014/11/american-bitcoin-pirate-slammed-for-securities-violations/ << i don't get it. how is the pic related ? |
| 03:16 |
assbot |
American Bitcoin Pirate Slammed for Securities Violations |
| 03:16 |
mircea_popescu |
zanza they're dumb is the problem. rude, whatever. |
| 03:17 |
zanza |
haha |
| 03:17 |
mircea_popescu |
"Greg Matthews is an internet pioneer and early domainer. " |
| 03:17 |
mircea_popescu |
seriously ? fucking retard world out there. "little timmy dribbles is an early cerealizer and soup eater" |
| 03:17 |
zanza |
Kakobrekla, may I ask, does running the Bit4x site have a lot of risk for you? i mean if prices change |
| 03:18 |
zanza |
or is it not that risky if price changes |
| 03:18 |
mircea_popescu |
" After selling his ISP company in 2007, he began work as a researcher and advocate for digital currencies. He enjoys working as a freelance writer and is editor in chief at Altcoin Press." totally, 5 year gap in the mongoloid's cv. spent 2007-2013 staring at a brick. |
| 03:18 |
kakobrekla |
for my part there is very little risk |
| 03:19 |
zanza |
ok, so do you balance the bitcoin storage somehow like I forget the word |
| 03:19 |
zanza |
so the price change doesn't effect you |
| 03:19 |
zanza |
I assume you use your own money to do the forex |
| 03:19 |
mircea_popescu |
you looking for hedge ? |
| 03:19 |
zanza |
and keep BTC as reserve |
| 03:19 |
zanza |
hedge!! |
| 03:19 |
zanza |
*ding ding* |
| 03:20 |
kakobrekla |
everything i do is btc denomiated |
| 03:20 |
zanza |
but you can't trade currency with BTC right? like Eur/USD |
| 03:20 |
kakobrekla |
you can |
| 03:20 |
zanza |
ahh, ok |
| 03:21 |
zanza |
got it thanks! |
| 03:21 |
kakobrekla |
you cant trade btcusd or btcxxx |
| 03:21 |
zanza |
is business ok for you? something you will continue doing in the future? |
| 03:22 |
zanza |
hoping it gets bigger |
| 03:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23988 @ 0.00056483 = 13.5491 BTC [+] |
| 03:22 |
* |
mircea_popescu perks ears for this one. |
| 03:22 |
zanza |
I was reading Bitcointalk, people are looking for Forex to do with Bitcoin, but the main issue is trust |
| 03:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it's rare that noobs manage to ask questions i actually want to hear the answer to. |
| 03:23 |
zanza |
LOL |
| 03:23 |
zanza |
but the main Forex companies are so regulated by government I don't want to deal with them |
| 03:23 |
zanza |
none of them allow you to keep BTC balance I believe |
| 03:24 |
kakobrekla |
yes, more things to come soon |
| 03:24 |
kakobrekla |
there will web interface, api, internal signals, maybe mobile |
| 03:24 |
kakobrekla |
will be* |
| 03:24 |
mircea_popescu |
zanza if it helps you, kakobrekla had ~100 btc investment from F.MPIF for a few months, in his panacea forex fund. he paid back. |
| 03:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the details are in the f.mpif reports. |
| 03:25 |
zanza |
cool :) I think it is a great idea |
| 03:25 |
zanza |
and has very big possibility |
| 03:25 |
zanza |
in the future |
| 03:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00056397 = 3.1864 BTC [-] |
| 03:35 |
mircea_popescu |
a spoonful of dung has very big possibility, in the future. |
| 03:37 |
kakobreklaa |
blah, bnc died |
| 03:38 |
Adlai |
;;isup www.bit4x.com |
| 03:38 |
gribble |
www.bit4x.com is down |
| 03:38 |
kakobreklaa |
ah our friend is listening |
| 03:38 |
kakobreklaa |
hi! |
| 03:39 |
kakobreklaa |
lucky i update the page once every 6 months or so you can look at internet archive for freshest news |
| 03:39 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobreklaa lol are you being persecuted ? |
| 03:39 |
kakobreklaa |
looks like |
| 03:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m54SmVsQqgc << lmao check out them crazy candians |
| 03:40 |
assbot |
Loreena McKennitt - La Serenissima - YouTube |
| 03:41 |
Adlai |
kakobreklaa: so, this works entirely through mt4? |
| 03:41 |
kakobreklaa |
Adlai yea |
| 03:42 |
Adlai |
and scripting could be done with eg https://github.com/pczarn/metatrader-multilang ? |
| 03:42 |
assbot |
pczarn/metatrader-multilang · GitHub |
| 03:43 |
kakobreklaa |
idk if that works |
| 03:43 |
kakobreklaa |
i have a 0mq that will eat pgp |
| 03:43 |
Adlai |
upon further examination it does not seem to work |
| 03:44 |
Adlai |
or more precisely... it works, but not as expected by the optimistic plumber |
| 03:44 |
Adlai |
please tell us more about your pgpivorous steroid socket |
| 03:45 |
kakobreklaa |
not much to it, you send a signcrypted message to socket and get back an answer, just like mpex works |
| 03:46 |
Adlai |
dox? |
| 03:46 |
kakobreklaa |
not yet |
| 03:47 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 03:47 |
Adlai |
live public coaching via irc sometime next week? |
| 03:47 |
* |
Adlai will be away for a while |
| 03:47 |
kakobreklaa |
lol whats the rush |
| 03:48 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently people wanna use your things |
| 03:48 |
Adlai |
amazing feeling innit |
| 03:48 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 03:48 |
mircea_popescu |
much to everyone's surprise o.o |
| 03:49 |
Adlai |
to assuage that look of terminal shock in your eyes: there's no real rush, i have an endless list of other turds to polish |
| 03:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00056397 = 5.4705 BTC [-] |
| 03:49 |
kakobreklaa |
see i knew it |
| 03:50 |
kakobreklaa |
;) |
| 03:50 |
Adlai |
but running scalpl on something other than btcfiat has been on the back burner for a long time, in part due to not wanting to touch any glitzy forex gambler-traps |
| 03:51 |
mircea_popescu |
omg kako stop sabotaging yourself, you're ready darling! pop that cherry! |
| 03:52 |
Adlai |
for all i know, my current parameters could be totally overfit to the quirks of two btcfiat marketplaces, or worse, the whole algorithm could be overfit to bitcoin's crazyness and may be totally worthless elsewhere |
| 03:52 |
Adlai |
so this is a fairly important avenue to explore |
| 03:54 |
* |
Adlai has to wait at least a week though, his qntry needs him |
| 04:05 |
cazalla |
<mircea_popescu> http://altcoinpress.com/2014/11/american-bitcoin-pirate-slammed-for-securities-violations/ << i don't get it. how is the pic related ? <<< same guy who claimed his friends/family called him satoshi's drunk uncle |
| 04:05 |
assbot |
American Bitcoin Pirate Slammed for Securities Violations |
| 04:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so he's basically a drunk ? |
| 04:07 |
Adlai |
*drunkle |
| 04:07 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2014#822992 |
| 04:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-09-2014 22:35:52; mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy." |
| 04:07 |
cazalla |
that is what i refer to |
| 04:08 |
mircea_popescu |
lol drunkle |
| 04:08 |
Adlai |
(the author of the altcoinpress article) |
| 04:08 |
mircea_popescu |
wait. this dumb schmuck is talking to someone who isn't satoshi about how his fambly jesus christ |
| 04:09 |
mircea_popescu |
things just got too redditesque all of a sudden. |
| 04:09 |
cazalla |
this might be the first day since qntra started that i did not post.. nothing of interest today |
| 04:09 |
mircea_popescu |
"relative in spirit" ? |
| 04:09 |
Adlai |
*spirits |
| 04:10 |
mircea_popescu |
incomprehensible the void powering these... things, whatever they are. what was he doing before, talking to a bottle of draino about how he's bald in spirit, just like the genie guy ? |
| 04:12 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.fustar.info/wp-content/images/mr-proper.jpg < whatever that's called. |
| 04:13 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, |
| 04:13 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell nubbins` http://www.fustar.info/2010/05/04/the-9th-circle-film-club-cybertracker-1994/ << this guy wanted a tshirt, in like 2010 |
| 04:13 |
assbot |
The 9th Circle Film Club: CyberTracker (1994) | Fustar |
| 04:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 04:21 |
punkman |
any objections to punkbot changing name to "notary"? |
| 04:22 |
kakobreklaa |
notrly |
| 04:22 |
Adlai |
how about 'stuffy', ie 'not airy' |
| 04:25 |
punkman |
from that microguy https://www.startjoin.com/gogold |
| 04:25 |
assbot |
South African Goldcoin GLD Conference project on StartJOIN |
| 04:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.0005609 = 18.678 BTC [-] {2} |
| 04:29 |
cazalla |
punkman, he drinks fosters in his youtube videos and is under the impression that makes him an honorary australia |
| 04:30 |
cazalla |
australian* even |
| 04:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00056039 = 9.0503 BTC [-] |
| 04:33 |
cazalla |
http://youtu.be/Q3wxinuADjI?t=2m20s |
| 04:33 |
assbot |
South African Goldcoin (GLD) Conference - YouTube |
| 04:34 |
Adlai |
gribble | Error: Username already registered. Try a different username. << fucker |
| 04:34 |
Adlai |
help echangekey |
| 04:34 |
punkman |
my favourite australian beverage: http://www.kellysdistributors.net.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_231.jpg |
| 04:35 |
cazalla |
punkman, prefer the gingerbeer and sarsparilla |
| 04:36 |
punkman |
yeah the gingerbeer wasn't bad either |
| 04:37 |
punkman |
I can't get a decent gingerbeer around here, been considering brewing my own |
| 04:37 |
Adlai |
how do i add a gpg identity to my gribble account? i'm already registered with a bitcoin address, and gribble responds to eregister and echangekey with "Error: Username already registered. Try a different username." |
| 04:40 |
punkman |
adlai, echangekey should work I think, what error does it give you? |
| 04:40 |
Adlai |
Adlai | oh, a better question would be "in which keyserver does gribble look" |
| 04:40 |
punkman |
sks and mit |
| 04:44 |
Adlai |
punkman: ugh, it's sending me an encrypted otp, but responds to eauth with "Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first." |
| 04:44 |
punkman |
auth with bc, then changekey? |
| 04:44 |
Adlai |
;;ident adlai |
| 04:44 |
gribble |
Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj |
| 04:47 |
Adlai |
;;ident adlai |
| 04:47 |
gribble |
Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj |
| 04:48 |
Adlai |
that took way too fucking long and is just as [in]secure as using a privkey >_< |
| 04:49 |
punkman |
how so? |
| 04:50 |
Adlai |
they're both the same overall protocol, just a serialization formats and signature algorithms |
| 04:50 |
Adlai |
s/ a /different/ |
| 04:52 |
punkman |
well whaddayawant, second factor via SMS? |
| 04:54 |
Adlai |
ben_vulpes: i'm not seeing it in the mailing list yet, and i have to leave. hope this cuts it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pCFcsbrW |
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| 04:55 |
punkman |
Adlai, gotta wait for key to reach jurov |
| 04:56 |
* |
Adlai waits on the go |
| 04:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32051 @ 0.00056006 = 17.9505 BTC [-] {3} |
| 05:05 |
cazalla |
punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/QRgj8LL0 |
| 05:05 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com |
| 05:05 |
punkbot |
cazalla: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 05:16 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17QDikg3 |
| 05:26 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 17QDikg3DHHNPnbq43ScYq17nMsN1G4XSo | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17QDikg3 |
| 05:28 |
punkbot |
[trust-update] added: adlai |
| 05:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00055845 = 8.293 BTC [-] |
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| 06:02 |
jurov |
puknman what key? |
| 06:02 |
jurov |
*punkman |
| 06:04 |
punkman |
adlai tried posting to mail list, but you don't have his key yet |
| 06:05 |
jurov |
mhm |
| 06:17 |
PinkPosixPXE |
looks like he got authed |
| 06:17 |
PinkPosixPXE |
;;gpg info adlai |
| 06:17 |
gribble |
User 'Adlai', with keyid 4D88596A7CDA03F9, fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj, registered on Sat Oct 6 00:55:28 2012, last authed on Sun Nov 9 04:47:12 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Adlai . Currently authenticated from hostmask Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai . |
| 06:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00055845 = 6.478 BTC [-] |
| 06:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00056218 = 15.3475 BTC [+] |
| 06:32 |
jurov |
;;later tell Adlai you're in |
| 06:32 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
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| 07:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38606 @ 0.00056347 = 21.7533 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24568 @ 0.00056347 = 13.8433 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00056629 = 6.8521 BTC [+] |
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| 09:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14937 @ 0.00056469 = 8.4348 BTC [-] {2} |
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| 10:30 |
mod6 |
.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=N4G424fA |
| 10:30 |
punkbot |
mod6: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 10:41 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1Kd3Fxzj |
| 10:45 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 1Kd3FxzjPcjGW2icEneEEZgBgX7r37jS1S | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1Kd3Fxzj |
| 10:46 |
mod6 |
<+asciilifeform> gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.) << As true today as it was for Benjamin Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 |
| 10:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00056629 = 8.0413 BTC [+] |
| 10:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00056448 = 7.3665 BTC [-] |
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| 11:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00056448 = 2.3144 BTC [-] |
| 11:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2014/11/darknet-sweep.pdf |
| 11:36 |
asciilifeform |
^ http://pastebin.com/AAT1ZWq5 |
| 11:36 |
assbot |
Darknet Sweep Casts Doubt on Tor Tor Will Be Defeated Again, and Again, and Ag - Pastebin.com |
| 11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
| 11:41 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla, mircea_popescu, others - re: 'nopdf' - i actually used to own 'nopdf.com' and planned to put a similar widget there. (2009-ish?) |
| 11:41 |
asciilifeform |
even included the caching thing |
| 11:42 |
asciilifeform |
but then realized that it would be mostly useless (in those days, almost everything i ever saw in 'pdf' belonged in that or similar format - technical documents heavy on graphics) |
| 11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
well, you gotta remember, a thing made is always a platform for further things. |
| 11:43 |
asciilifeform |
i did write a gizmo that outputs graphical render for the pages, but realized that the bandwidth and disk cache costs would break my back, and then let the domain go to the vultures. |
| 11:45 |
asciilifeform |
the interesting thing is the 'psychiatric' reason for the pestilential spread of pdf for text. |
| 11:45 |
asciilifeform |
it's essentially the same as the reason 'flash' exists. |
| 11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason for it is contained in the declaration's last paragraphs. |
| 11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
governments have actual money to waste, and they do on hiring idiots. |
| 11:46 |
asciilifeform |
actually it's much simpler |
| 11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
then those idiots become a group large enough to drive fashions. |
| 11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
keeping idiots poor and powerless is the only sound purpose of government. |
| 11:48 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of people who aren't the least bit idiotic or government-affiliated want to package a document and have it appear exactly the same on the other end of the wire. |
| 11:48 |
asciilifeform |
no demented font substitutions, no dysfunctional selective execution of 'stylesheet' crud, etc. |
| 11:48 |
asciilifeform |
actual same picture. |
| 11:49 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and why do they want this ? |
| 11:49 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, wait, because the audience is demented and can't be trusted ? |
| 11:50 |
asciilifeform |
what observables would be different if the audience were not demented, and could be trusted? |
| 11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
you pump out the text, they figure out how to display it ? |
| 11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, like... usenet ?! |
| 11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody perceived a need for pdf back before sept 1993 did they ? |
| 11:50 |
asciilifeform |
actually |
| 11:51 |
asciilifeform |
postscript (essentially the guts of pdf) existed. |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 11:51 |
asciilifeform |
and heavily used, by academics |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
and it was used to ? wait for it! |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
to talk to motherfucking printers |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
which were demented at the time. |
| 11:51 |
asciilifeform |
it's still state of the art in driving printer. |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i tell you. fixed-form is an instrument for talking with the braindamaged. |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
well yes, because printers are still by and large about as smart as a public servant. |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
smart isn't the world. about as sane. |
| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
i like manuals, academic papers, etc. in dead tree. |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
and reflowable text sent to printer, looks like piss. |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it wouldn't have to. |
| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
the only solution to above is to essentially do the typesetter's job and latexize it |
| 11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, while this may well be a pn complete problem in the general case, |
| 11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
that general case is actually chtulhu speaking |
| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
i question that it even makes sense to ask for smart reflow independent of page size and shape |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise, the problem is not nearly as hard as all that. |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
dude. i question it even makes sense to have a good programming language right back at ya! |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
tell that to the latex folks, they would love to know the elixir. |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it ALWAYS makes sense to be smart. |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, they have quite a bit of clever automatics re: reflow |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
but notice humans are still involved in typesetting. |
| 11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
| 11:57 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking fidonet didn't need no stinking pdf. |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and you know what ? it allowed asciiart! |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck can you do that w/o adobe o noes! |
| 11:58 |
mircea_popescu |
none of the fucking lines allign! save us microsoft! |
| 11:58 |
chetty |
adobe is one of the pillars of evil |
| 11:58 |
asciilifeform |
aha i'll wait for somebody to asciiart my old soviet magazine scans, yes. |
| 11:59 |
asciilifeform |
basic problem here: if there were ten million idiots swinging hammers at strangers in the city streets, it does not thereby follow that carpenters ought to get by without hammers. |
| 12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i am not proposing to remove the carpenter's hammers. |
| 12:00 |
chetty |
adobe reps were very adept at sabatoge back in the w3c days |
| 12:00 |
mircea_popescu |
fwiw, asylum, which i typeset myself, was printed as a pdf. the house ran a large web press, did my run in like three hours. |
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| 12:23 |
asciilifeform |
also must appreciate how much hand-driven 'typesetting' (e.g., using linebreaks and editing around known fixed row/column viewers such as the 80x25 term) took place in the 'golden age' of fido et al |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
a man is not required to inherit his father's warts. |
| 12:25 |
asciilifeform |
except those were vital organs, not warts |
| 12:25 |
asciilifeform |
fact is, i don't want to read code page-broken in random places. |
| 12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
fixed row/column viewers ? how. |
| 12:26 |
asciilifeform |
well, elementary case of msdos text mode. |
| 12:26 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of things were written to fit in its 'screen-full' |
| 12:27 |
asciilifeform |
but more relevant to printers. fact is, reading anything technical that wasn't formatted for a particular page shape, and suffer idiot breaks. |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
these don't sound so much like vital organs. |
| 12:28 |
JorgePasada |
Greetings |
| 12:28 |
asciilifeform |
do you even use printers. |
| 12:28 |
ben_vulpes |
lookie lookie |
| 12:28 |
pete_dushenski |
http://rt.com/news/203583-drone-boning-porn-nsfw/ |
| 12:29 |
JorgePasada |
Hey Ben :-) |
| 12:29 |
JorgePasada |
Long time no see |
| 12:29 |
* |
pete_dushenski wonders why mod6 and asciilifeform signed the tithe3 with SHA1... |
| 12:30 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: ancient key |
| 12:30 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform so ancient that you can't setpref to SHA512? |
| 12:30 |
* |
asciilifeform probably ought to |
| 12:32 |
asciilifeform |
problem is, let's say the devil has sha1 collision finder, and decides to apply to my case |
| 12:32 |
asciilifeform |
since my key flag bits permit sha1, he can still, say, sign into gribble as me. |
| 12:32 |
asciilifeform |
until i retire this key. |
| 12:32 |
mod6 |
pete_dushenski: ah, yah, overlooked the flag *grumble* |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah, and suppose you see a message from me using sha1 when you know i use sha512. |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
what now ? |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
canaries are canaries yeh ? |
| 12:33 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta understand that any big bad only exists as a work of fiction, otherwise is simply a collection of men. gotta give those men ways out, so that "mysterious" and "inexplicable" things happen |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
big bad is dumb as rocks, on its own. has nfi what all the things mean. |
| 12:34 |
* |
asciilifeform thinks back to various stories of captive soldiers getting messages out through various clever means. |
| 12:35 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48 << how to, just on the very-off-chance |
| 12:35 |
assbot |
Weblog for dkg - HOWTO prep for migration off of SHA-1 in OpenPGP |
| 12:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9554 @ 0.00056563 = 5.404 BTC [+] |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
easiest thing in the world is a mistake. the fucking cold war was won not by any other means than... mistakes. |
| 12:35 |
pete_dushenski |
the cold war was won? |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
multiple times. |
| 12:36 |
* |
pete_dushenski listening |
| 12:36 |
mod6 |
well, i guess there isn't anything I can do now, other than sign it again with 512 :// |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
at some point in the cold war, the united states president was a totally inept ninkompoop, principally remembered for having taken his shoes off in the un council. this guy had an oversized military and inept economic policies that stalled the country. his fellow americans didn't think much of him, kept making little mistakes. |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
these piled up, eventually the us collapsed of it, took them twenty years to regroup, but meanwhile lost alaska and california. |
| 12:37 |
JorgePasada |
Anyone going to CCC this year? I'm thinking about making the trip |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
course then russia was trying to join california in the warsaw pact, and a bunch of topless aggitator chicks kept fucking the pot, |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
so in the end it's unclear. |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
shush you :) |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
appreciate my "in the end it's unclear" instead. it's damned good :D |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 it's no big deal, just change your pref and forget about it. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
JorgePasada which is ccc again ? |
| 12:40 |
mod6 |
*nod* ok, thanks mp |
| 12:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00056629 = 1.6989 BTC [+] |
| 12:41 |
JorgePasada |
https://twitter.com/31c3 |
| 12:41 |
assbot |
CCC - 31c3 (@31c3) on Twitter |
| 12:42 |
JorgePasada |
Technically 31c3 is the confrerence I guess |
| 12:42 |
JorgePasada |
Chaos Computer Club (Conference) |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
ah, hamburg is a nice town |
| 12:46 |
asciilifeform |
punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/kwr11bEU |
| 12:46 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com |
| 12:46 |
punkbot |
asciilifeform: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 12:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4382 @ 0.00056629 = 2.4815 BTC [+] |
| 12:47 |
pete_dushenski |
noob question about pgp keys: is there any sense in airgapping for signing only? |
| 12:48 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: the point of airgapping is to defend the key. which you are using when you sign, yes |
| 12:48 |
pete_dushenski |
right |
| 12:48 |
ben_vulpes |
you can also pull your master key out of the keyring and stash it safely somewhere, pete_dushenski |
| 12:49 |
pete_dushenski |
so i guess the question is whether keeping a key online for gribble authing is *that* much of a risk |
| 12:49 |
asciilifeform |
the only person who can correctly determine your favourite level of risk - is you |
| 12:49 |
pete_dushenski |
myea |
| 12:50 |
pete_dushenski |
i suppose you could use a subkey for gribble and keep the master airgapped |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
does wot mechanism automatically respect superceding keys? |
| 12:51 |
asciilifeform |
i still don't know this. |
| 12:52 |
asciilifeform |
personally, i have always used only the most basic and essential subset of pgp std. functionality. |
| 12:52 |
asciilifeform |
and wot isn't even the only gizmo here that uses keys |
| 12:53 |
asciilifeform |
jurov's turdatron, another |
| 12:53 |
asciilifeform |
and the ultimate champ in cementing ancient keys in place, or so i'm told, mircea_popescu's mpex |
| 12:53 |
asciilifeform |
where you gotta resubscribe if want to swap key. |
| 12:55 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform: re flash: my daughter's school uses some online math games, requires flash. I tried to log her in, can't because most recent flash is no longer supporting linux or pre-'08 macOS |
| 12:55 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: it is worth thinking about why 'flash' remains a thing. |
| 12:55 |
JorgePasada |
PeterL: You running something with a PowerPC chip? |
| 12:55 |
pete_dushenski |
not like jobs didn't try to kill it |
| 12:56 |
PeterL |
just another way to introduce more dependencies |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> personally, i have always used only the most basic and essential subset of pgp std. functionality. << |
| 12:56 |
PeterL |
JorgePasada: no, it is an intel |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: re: why cement? |
| 12:57 |
JorgePasada |
PeterL: Couldn't you just download a custom browser package that has a version of flash bundled with it then? |
| 12:57 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1DDnMWek |
| 12:57 |
PeterL |
but old enough that it can't upgrade to newer versions of MacOS |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no, re i do the same. |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
i suspect most folks here do this. |
| 12:57 |
PeterL |
JorgePasada: do they have such things? |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL yeah, flash running browsers have been a ubuntu specialty. |
| 12:58 |
PeterL |
I don't feel like I need flash enough to get a whole new browser |
| 12:58 |
JorgePasada |
PeterL: I believe that all versions of chrome do this automatically |
| 12:58 |
PeterL |
Oh, my computer can't get chrome, in VM Ubuntu the chrome says it can't get the latest flash |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
| 12:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://philip.greenspun.com/research/internet-haters << how we ended up with 'flash' and similar crap. |
| 12:59 |
assbot |
Internet Haters -- HTML Chapter |
| 12:59 |
PeterL |
I might just break down and get a newer computer sometime |
| 12:59 |
asciilifeform |
'flash' survives precisely because it is a mostly opaque binary format, which browsers can't 'spread democracy to' |
| 13:00 |
PeterL |
sort of the complete opposite of open source? |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
that';s a good point. |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL well, yes. "a man in charge" situation. |
| 13:00 |
asciilifeform |
(see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 ) |
| 13:00 |
assbot |
Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. |
| 13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
as stupid as the man in charge can be, the benefits often outpace the damage. this was discussed here re stalin |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
this is why flash survives in spite of being written by - what appears to be downs-syndrome cases |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
(or simply inept players of 'underhanded c contest') |
| 13:02 |
asciilifeform |
www in the html-js-and-extension-crud sense is a case of standards 'so open their brains fall out' |
| 13:02 |
asciilifeform |
a whole gang of vultures 'embraced and extended' them, including but not limited to microshit |
| 13:02 |
asciilifeform |
everything i just said re: flash, applies also to 'pdf' |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
this is, at least in my view, why personal sovereignity is not avoidable on the mid or long term. |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the open/closed software has no stable solution otherwise. |
| 13:03 |
asciilifeform |
gotta keep democrashit out. |
| 13:03 |
asciilifeform |
or dissolve in it. |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, living things seem a little more advanced than our computers on this exact path |
| 13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
they use exaclty a biological implementation of personal sovereignity to build open but not too open systems that survive well in the world. |
| 13:04 |
asciilifeform |
a greybeard once described the modern computer as 'apartment with plumbing but no sewer connection' |
| 13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 13:05 |
asciilifeform |
it did not make sense in my mind at the time. |
| 13:05 |
asciilifeform |
the above point re: flash and pdf, also applies to game machines. |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, for the theoretically minded : would you say the b-a software paradigm is open source or closed source ? |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
because it technically satisfies both definitions. |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
one reason why folks still write programs for toys such as 'super nintendo' - despite the need to DIY roms |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
because the machine is standard. as in, entirely. and entirely stateless except for your rom. |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
hence definable. and works, like mathematics, rather than like sand castle built in a cesspit. |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah hacking the supernintendo is actually still part of training hackers afaik. |
| 13:06 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 1DDnMWekucn2XDeCHpfgz5MvM5Y6VYiVp2 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1DDnMWek |
| 13:06 |
PeterL |
we have a software paradigm now? |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
b-a software paradigm? |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform PeterL it's developing software, is it not ? |
| 13:07 |
PeterL |
could you specify our paradigm? |
| 13:07 |
asciilifeform |
from what i can personally see, it's heavy on the duct tape |
| 13:07 |
asciilifeform |
and likely to suffer the fate of the first deedbot at some point, possibly repeatedly |
| 13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL well, it should be obvious in the logs :D!!! |
| 13:08 |
PeterL |
so far, to me, it looks open source |
| 13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL if you're in the wot. |
| 13:08 |
PeterL |
but anybody can read it |
| 13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose ninjashogun wants to push a patch for deedbot. or, whatever, the cardano. |
| 13:08 |
PeterL |
and anybody can get into the WoT |
| 13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, anyone can read it. i went to a swinger's club yest, anyone could look at my bitches. |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and i did happen to have the finest bitches in the place, buncha losers. |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
but what's in a look ? |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and no, emphatically NOT anyone can get in the wot. |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
that safadean fellow can get in the wot. but otherwise, most people can try. |
| 13:09 |
PeterL |
well, with code, they could fork it and make their own version |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, they could. |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
and they can grow own gurlz |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i hear gavin is planning to fork bitcoin and make his own version. |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
| 13:10 |
PeterL |
so therefore it is open for anybody to take |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
one possible argument here is that the complete system is not in the code. |
| 13:10 |
JorgePasada |
PeterL: Anyone can fork it, not anyone can do the backlog of proof of work to 'take' things though. |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL huns are open for anyone to take, and kill themselves with. |
| 13:11 |
PeterL |
lol |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
code works slowly, you spend a life and in the end it's all a waste. |
| 13:11 |
JorgePasada |
asciilifeform: exactly, it's in the network of people & the chain of transactions and everything that's brought us to this point. |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform this is necessarily so. because godel is a cult. |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL look at the discussion about al schwartz's failed measurements. |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
^^ |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
he ~could~ have made his own chemistry. |
| 13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
except ars longa cocka smalla. |
| 13:13 |
* |
mircea_popescu re-reads, notices he misspelled guns as huns, wonders why the fuck has he not realised this before. |
| 13:13 |
PeterL |
would you consider chemistry literature open or closed? I guess it is similar idea, to put stuff in it has to be vetted by experts |
| 13:13 |
scoopbot |
New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/pigfarmin/ |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: what is the point of shoehorning things into these weird categories? |
| 13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
^ that's r18 btw, don't read among small children. |
| 13:14 |
PeterL |
dunno, mircea_popescu asked about open/closed source |
| 13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL the reason i said "for the theoretically minded" was exactly this tongue in cheek point. "take your broken models and try make sense of the world whydontcha!" |
| 13:14 |
PeterL |
but I want everything to fit in the models I already have !!1! |
| 13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
you'd make a great nine year old |
| 13:16 |
pete_dushenski |
https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/531243553415233536 |
| 13:16 |
assbot |
Just like http://t.co/VhF3XQ1Tiq RT /nntaleb: Hard to conceive, but /hashtag/ISIS?src=hash is the product of the internet. |
| 13:16 |
pete_dushenski |
@pete_dushenski Just like http://bitcoin-assets.com RT @nntaleb: Hard to conceive, but #ISIS is the product of the internet. |
| 13:16 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: pigfarmin' << it's like my childhood favorite 'alt.tasteless' newsgroup lives again! |
| 13:16 |
* |
asciilifeform takes off hat |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, re the entire extension and so forth : everything that works on the internet and in the world works on "our" principles. |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck ever read whatever software the dns letters run ? who ever wrote a patch for it ? |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
this is more or less same as the (very true) observation that buildings which stand up, whether in england or in best-korea, are designed on same basic principles. |
| 13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
which is why they invented hammurabi's code |
| 13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
the architect knows more than the inspector ever could |
| 13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
building fails, dead architect |
| 13:20 |
ben_vulpes |
"they"? |
| 13:20 |
assbot |
Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1GN8SYD.txt ) |
| 13:20 |
asciilifeform |
!b 4 |
| 13:20 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes god? babylonians? what difference does it make ;) |
| 13:21 |
pete_dushenski |
the concept of skin in the game is nothing new |
| 13:27 |
JorgePasada |
pete_dushenski: Yeah, we just have a lot of half-assed implimentations of it in modern society. |
| 13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
to "foster creativity" |
| 13:27 |
JorgePasada |
Bitcoin is a whole-assed implementation of skin in the game... |
| 13:28 |
JorgePasada |
or an assholes implementation, forget which. |
| 13:28 |
pete_dushenski |
lol |
| 13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
rapist's. |
| 13:28 |
pete_dushenski |
anyways i'm off. have a great afternoon! |
| 13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i believe the proper femsociety word for one who does not care about stupid shit is rapist. |
| 13:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33054 @ 0.00056629 = 18.7181 BTC [+] |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"The result? A formatting language too wimpy even for a novel." <<< this is pure nonsense. i had my novel on the web just fine in plain html. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
and speaking of which! http://www.amazon.com/Asylum-The-Novel-Chet/dp/B000ODPCKQ holy shit aftermarket. |
| 13:34 |
assbot |
Asylum: The Novel: Chet, Zeno: Amazon.com: Books |
| 13:35 |
chetty |
hahahahaha |
| 13:36 |
* |
asciilifeform bought |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty can you believe people still buy your stuff a decade later ? |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean... that's like britney spears level. |
| 13:37 |
chetty |
weird |
| 13:38 |
chetty |
now I wonder how many copies of that are floating about |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it was a fun thing to make, that. i think i still have the publisher responses somewhere, "omg you write the greatest letters and whoa so sorry i can't publish this" |
| 13:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3239316488198320@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum on formatting |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
Re: The Next Generation of Lisp Programmers - Naggum cll archive |
| 13:41 |
chetty |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827116/Kissing-bug-disease-infected-300-000-people-don-t-know-parasite-referred-new-AIDS.html |
| 13:41 |
assbot |
'Kissing bug' disease infected OVER 300,000 people in the US | Daily Mail Online |
| 13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2009/lectia-de-humor/ speaking of mono |
| 13:42 |
assbot |
Lectia de humor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 13:43 |
chetty |
this isnt mono, its a parasite from central america |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00056643 = 5.9758 BTC [+] {2} |
| 13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
o a new one ?! |
| 13:44 |
chetty |
nah, just new to the us, because of all the immigration |
| 13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ah chagas. heh. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty ultimate disease of poverty. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess after all the tb and bedbug outbreaks in the best socialist california, twas unavoidable. |
| 13:45 |
asciilifeform |
all the weird diseases of the tropics, necrotizing fasciitis, etc., will find a welcoming home in usa. |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
buruli ulcer. |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
what's that burning water worm called ? |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
you name it, there's a welcoming climate here somewhere for it. |
| 13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google dracunculus medinensis. |
| 13:47 |
gribble |
Dracunculus medinensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculus_medinensis>; CDC - Guinea Worm Disease - Biology: <http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/guineaworm/biology.html>; CDC - Guinea Worm: <http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/guineaworm/> |
| 13:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00056641 = 20.2775 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, speaking of leprosy, that thing is a wonder to behold. |
| 13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it's basically a normal bacterium genome that was completely mushed to bits, barely a third of it still works. |
| 13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
yet the thing still survived to present day. makes stuff like the www look likely to live on. |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"Professional graphic artists generally produce Web sites on Macintoshes. They slave over the images until the mid-tones look just right, mid-tones that will be mapped almost to black on a typical Sun workstation or PC. The solution to this problem is trivial: a gamma= field in the IMG HTML tag." |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit bad idea omfg. |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
giving idiot "web designers" a gamma= is like giving idiot web designers autoplay video with a volume=. |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
worst idea ever, greenspun should be shot. |
| 14:01 |
asciilifeform |
gamma-whateverthefuck on uncalibrated displays that one has never seen with own eyes... |
| 14:02 |
asciilifeform |
very special, yes. |
| 14:02 |
* |
asciilifeform was recently issued a $maxint laptop and was surprised to discover a built-in spectrometer. |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/6/5/6539_44_lenovo_thinkpad_w540_mobile_workstation_laptop_review.jpg << that one |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
haven't tried it, winblows-only it seems |
| 14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
dude.... spend the time to put a (was it clock driven ?) spectrometer in a laptop |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
run it on windows. |
| 14:05 |
asciilifeform |
there's a reverse-engineered driver for it, somewhere. can't be bothered. |
| 14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"If you wrote @bold{foo} instead of <bold>foo</bold>, you would not even /want/ to say @bold{foo @italic{bar} zot} if you expected to get foo in bold, zot in italic, and bar in both." <<< wait, wut ? |
| 14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
dafuck would i want to say, @b{foo}@bi |
| 14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
{bar} ? |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
the verbose monstrosities of **ml-series were justified by the notion that a) no one will ever be forced to write them by hand b) no one will ever be forced to read them with naked eyes |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
both turned out to be crocks of shit |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
and the basic premise was also a crock of shit (if no naked eyes nor naked hands, why not a compact binary format?) |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
no but wait, my question is, if not {[()]} then what, ()[()]() etc ? |
| 14:08 |
asciilifeform |
he was arguing, in the end, for s-expressions. |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in the end. and its a great point. but before he gets there he steps in it. |
| 14:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00056563 = 5.4018 BTC [-] |
| 14:10 |
* |
asciilifeform off to see some exotic cats. raises a glass to the ghost of moiety. |
| |
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| 14:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30983 @ 0.00056448 = 17.4893 BTC [-] |
| 14:31 |
mod6 |
.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jv7pPT8p |
| 14:31 |
punkbot |
mod6: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 14:31 |
mod6 |
^ with the 512 for good measure |
| 14:32 |
mod6 |
mp also, thx for the tip about "personal-digest-preferences" |
| 14:36 |
mod6 |
so has anyone else noticed that the makefile doesn't provide a way to build /without/ debug flags? lol |
| 14:36 |
mod6 |
you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols? |
| 14:37 |
mod6 |
anyway, there is a bunch of stuff obv. just another thing for clean up at some point. |
| 14:40 |
punkman |
re: sha1 and gpg settings, this is useful https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf |
| 14:40 |
assbot |
cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub |
| 14:41 |
punkman |
repository also has example of colliding keyids |
| 14:42 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17gPmTTu |
| 14:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2283 @ 0.00056656 = 1.2935 BTC [+] |
| 14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 yeah, and i dunno why that is. |
| 14:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00056662 = 9.8025 BTC [+] |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: any objections to punkbot changing name to "notary"? << i like it. |
| 15:04 |
mod6 |
ah, yeah +1 |
| 15:04 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 17gPmTTuoDRYZXAAHgEu1NZHQwMYeRUoHC | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17gPmTTu |
| 15:09 |
jurov |
punkbot: deed https://coinbr.com/decl.txt.asc |
| 15:09 |
punkbot |
jurov: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 15:12 |
ben_vulpes |
lol did we *all* overlook the typo in the last paragraph? |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla: australian* even << really seems that guy is trying superhard to belong ? |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes i was curiously waiting for the first one to notice. |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess you get the fox award. |
| 15:13 |
ben_vulpes |
'twas mod6 actually |
| 15:13 |
* |
ben_vulpes has a feeling he'll be saying that a lot |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 15:14 |
jurov |
oppinion? |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yea |
| 15:16 |
jurov |
that's there for future data archeologists, to discern fakes |
| 15:17 |
scoopbot |
New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/an-interesting-anthropology-question/ |
| 15:17 |
jurov |
they will also consider this a confirmation that mircea rides his keyboard hard |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/blob/master/saneprefs/gpg.conf << not bad! |
| 15:18 |
assbot |
cooperpair/gpg.conf at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub |
| 15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg01077.html << who the fuck came up with thar brilliant idea. |
| 15:20 |
assbot |
Re: Suggested changes for DSA2, take 4 |
| 15:20 |
jurov |
the article mentions "boundries" several times, too |
| 15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"If the output size of the chosen hash is larger than the number of bits of q, the hash result is truncated to fit by taking the number of leftmost bits equal to the number of bits of q. This (possibly truncated) hash function result is treated as a number and used directly in the DSA signature algorithm." |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ty. |
| 15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://bitdesire.com/crypto-money-expo-online-meeting/ << who is this ? |
| 15:23 |
assbot |
Crypto Money Expo - Bitcoin online meeting - Bitdesire - The Bitcoin Network |
| 15:25 |
jurov |
Both conference founder Eyal Abramovitch and speaker/sponsor Ofir Beigel are members of Meni Rosenfeld‘s Israeli bitcoiner meetup. |
| |
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| 15:42 |
punkman |
https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/tree/master/keysteak << "intercepts a request for a key by keyid, generates a PGPv3 key, performs the 0xdeadbeef attack, and returns a spoofed (but valid) PGPv3 key with the same long keyid." |
| 15:42 |
assbot |
cooperpair/keysteak at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub |
| 15:42 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1N8cgoM7 |
| 15:45 |
mircea_popescu |
punkbot kinda why we use fingerprints. |
| 15:45 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 1N8cgoM7SEC7bStCwWEuWFTcn8pKJGgcYa | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1N8cgoM7 |
| 15:49 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: i think it claims to handle fingerprints as well: https://github.com/coruus/cooperpair/tree/master/keysteak#usage |
| 15:49 |
assbot |
cooperpair/keysteak at master · coruus/cooperpair · GitHub |
| 15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a bold claim. |
| 15:50 |
ben_vulpes |
it's hard to tell if it's claiming that. the doc says "try this" |
| 15:50 |
ben_vulpes |
and i've not. |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
o wait, this is pgp v3 |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
forget it lol, the thing is roughly bitcoin .9 |
| 15:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i think even debian dropped it 5 years ago |
| 15:51 |
ben_vulpes |
subject of .9, has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 client? no bootstrapping, no shared db? |
| 15:51 |
mircea_popescu |
(v3 keys were md5 hashed) |
| 15:52 |
punkman |
it also does some tricks to make it look like v4 "Create a PGPv3 public key, v4 UID, and v4 signature" |
| 15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, this is of relatively little consequence to us, because we use gribble rather than the pks mess. |
| 15:56 |
punkman |
worth a few words on wiki |
| 15:56 |
punkman |
don't steal my shares guys http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/5RE44ZXbZyHhDqxLaBvKiYUztfyDcJSATzE8Gy4mN2eD |
| 15:56 |
assbot |
Deed 5RE44ZXb | #bitcoin-assets deed registry |
| 16:00 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah srsly, use fingerprints. but that aside, best practice is still to extract key via gribble db |
| 16:00 |
punkman |
you can only get fingerprint from gribble |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you mean only ? that's what it is. |
| 16:01 |
mircea_popescu |
keyid8A736F0E2FB7B452 fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 |
| 16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.crypt/JSSM6NbfweQ << this is good on the topic |
| 16:02 |
assbot |
Google Gruppi |
| 16:02 |
mircea_popescu |
(of deadbeef v3 gpg sigs attack) |
| 16:12 |
cazalla |
<mircea_popescu> http://bitdesire.com/crypto-money-expo-online-meeting/ << who is this ? <<< i'm reading this and think, i fucking wrote this article! |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
Crypto Money Expo - Bitcoin online meeting - Bitdesire - The Bitcoin Network |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
so leave the guy a comment. |
| 16:14 |
jurov |
ben_vulpes iirc i did it with .7 or .8 then "bootstrapped" .9 by pointing it to .8 node on LAN |
| 16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
did with numerous .6 versions. |
| 16:16 |
jurov |
but a hdd died, so i don't have pre - .9 blockchain anymore |
| 16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22146 @ 0.00056662 = 12.5484 BTC [+] |
| 16:26 |
ben_vulpes |
good to know, thanks |
| 16:27 |
* |
ben_vulpes is wondering about the practicality of using 0.5.3 as a starting pin |
| 16:28 |
jurov |
we'll see if this gets anywhere... it's how much since whole thing started? a week? |
| 16:42 |
punkman |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xombrero |
| 16:42 |
assbot |
xombrero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:43 |
mircea_popescu |
also webkit. |
| 16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
and im pretty sure all my blockchains are pre .5 for that matter. |
| |
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| 17:05 |
jurov |
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgzMjg , also another dude (Colin Watson) has quit |
| 17:05 |
assbot |
[Phoronix] Joey Hess Resigns From Debian, Unhappy With How It's Changed |
| 17:06 |
jurov |
http://debianfork.org/ |
| 17:06 |
assbot |
Roll up your sleeves, we may need to fork Debian. |
| 17:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00056664 = 2.6632 BTC [+] |
| 17:11 |
ben_vulpes |
wow mpoe on sale! |
| 17:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00056722 = 8.2247 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:25 |
jurov |
;;seen adlai |
| 17:25 |
gribble |
adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: * Adlai waits on the go |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
!up saifedean |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
debian certainly went to shit since sarge. |
| 17:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8271 @ 0.00056662 = 4.6865 BTC [-] |
| 17:32 |
saifedean |
good day gentlemen |
| 17:32 |
mircea_popescu |
hello! |
| 17:33 |
saifedean |
mo, i did email you the dissertation the other day, did you get it? |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i did. |
| 17:33 |
saifedean |
great, just making sure |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i didn;'t get around to reading it yet, but its in the pile. |
| 17:33 |
saifedean |
no worries, |
| 17:33 |
Naphex |
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/silk-road-other-tor-darknet-sites-may-have-been-decloaked-through-ddos/ lmao! |
| 17:33 |
assbot |
Silk Road, other Tor “darknet” sites may have been “decloaked” through DDoS | Ars Technica |
| 17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i still think you should publish it. ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/ ? |
| 17:33 |
assbot |
A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 17:34 |
saifedean |
so, mp, are you going to be in Buenos Aires January/Feb? I might be popping by for a week or so |
| 17:34 |
Naphex |
"es, hello, Internet supervillain here," nachash, said that his server—a virtual private server running the German hosting service Hetzner—was initially hit by what he believed was a denial of service attack in Augus' |
| 17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex maybe they were decloaked through sexism. |
| 17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
saifedean yes. for that matter, the bitcoin conference is in april. |
| 17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
$conference |
| 17:35 |
empyex |
mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 5 months and 8 days. Estimated cost today: 3.74478709 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) |
| 17:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14146 @ 0.00056652 = 8.014 BTC [-] |
| 17:36 |
saifedean |
much as i'd love to be in the conference, april might be tough, especially as i'm so goddamn far, but i'll let you know if i manage to work out jan/feb |
| 17:37 |
saifedean |
but if you like buenos aires and istanbul, from what i gather from your blog, you will absolutely love beirut... who's like istanbul's little prettier sister |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
| 17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
problem being she hangs out with all these bikers. |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex on a related note, i really don't get all these derps going "oh you know what ? i'll run a hertzner vm through this magic layer. presto, totally anon!" |
| 17:46 |
saifedean |
you lay down the law and the bikers disappear, mp... just book your ticket |
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| 18:08 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ident saifedean |
| 18:08 |
gribble |
Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. |
| 18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 18:13 |
JorgePasada |
Anyone have any good reading on all the stuff that's been happening with tor because of this latest raid thing? |
| 18:16 |
dub |
i think the learning is (or was since years ago) don't use tor |
| 18:16 |
JorgePasada |
Yeah, not for anything secure obviously, but you can still learn from stuff like this I feel |
| 18:18 |
dub |
you can learn not to do anything on a network that you wouldnt be happy with obama reading |
| 18:19 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ << more entropy hardware, ARM micros included! |
| 18:19 |
assbot |
Simtec Electronics Entropy Key: USB True Random Number Generator |
| 18:21 |
dub |
oh my god the new firefox ui is terrible |
| 18:21 |
dub |
they need to share that good weed around |
| 18:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27206 @ 0.00056708 = 15.428 BTC [+] {2} |
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| 19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
JorgePasada maybe read all the disparate stuff, publish a digest. |
| 19:20 |
JorgePasada |
mircea_popescu: Yeah I'm just trying to learn. Found a couple good things via hacker news. |
| 19:20 |
JorgePasada |
Tor sucks though, you almost have to assume either your entrance or exit node (or worse, both) are compromised these days. |
| 19:22 |
cazalla |
scoopbot, wru |
| 19:26 |
mats_cd03 |
http://youtu.be/bntfUA6TmLs |
| 19:26 |
assbot |
MONSTER Energy drinks are the work of SATAN!!! - YouTube |
| 19:38 |
ben_vulpes |
how dumb would it be to bisect the git source history to find the unwedging commit? |
| 19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ << last year "everybody" knew better. |
| 19:43 |
assbot |
Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes not dumb at all. |
| 19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell peterl yeah listen, this 50% uptime business is for the dogs. |
| 19:44 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 19:45 |
ben_vulpes |
does anyone have a node with high throughput to which they'd be willing to whitelist my connections |
| 19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes if you actually have the blockchain by very far the best way to do this is stage a local environment and feed the experimental instance through some sort of loopback |
| 19:49 |
ben_vulpes |
indeed. |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
you saying you don't have it ? |
| 19:51 |
ben_vulpes |
i've one sitting on this os x machine. |
| 19:52 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm digging through the logs of our conversation about copying blockchains around. |
| 19:52 |
ben_vulpes |
*to find our conversation* |
| 19:54 |
ben_vulpes |
basically i want to know if uploading my os x 8.6 blockchain to my debian testing machine is worth the time |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
well it's worth the time in the sense that not having the 30gb in question wherever your favourite staging environment is is a major handicap. |
| 19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
if you prefer working locally then not worth it. if you generally use that machine/dc, then worth it. |
| 19:58 |
ben_vulpes |
right, totally on the same page there. |
| 19:59 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm trying to estimate if the transfer time for my os x blockchain is worth the risk of it simply not working. |
| 20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
inasmuch as it's the blockchain it will HAVE To work. or bust. |
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| 20:24 |
oglafbot |
http://oglaf.com/sharpshooter/ |
| 20:24 |
assbot |
Sharpshooter |
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| 20:42 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 20:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055831 / 0.00056471 / 0.00058756 (828982 shares, 468.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00055831 / 0.00067039 / 0.00076965 (3873559 shares, 2,596.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00055831 / 0.00073576 / 0.00081111 (23823364 shares, 17,528.32 BTC) |
| 20:42 |
thestringpuller |
!l m s.mpoe |
| 20:42 |
assbot |
Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00056708 BTC [+] |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
hgmm, was the last oglaf drawn by an intern ? |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
drunk trudy ? 5 minute sketch ? |
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| 21:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00064573 = 17.62 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols << 'strip bitcoind' >> solved |
| 21:55 |
asciilifeform |
whoever wants to add this as a patch - can |
| 21:58 |
asciilifeform |
has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 << 0.8, yes |
| 22:01 |
danielpbarron |
i've got an up-to-date chain on 0.7.2 |
| 22:03 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: entropy key << gadget was discussed here many times. appears to be permanently unavailable (and closed-source.) |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
tor compromise through filled circuit ddos << this is a 'classic', described in academic papers. and i can say for a fact that the 'machine' is still turned on. just last night had a tor client fail to form a circuit, for the first time in many years of semi-regular use. |
| 22:04 |
* |
asciilifeform uses tor for non-critical applications |
| 22:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://i.imgur.com/zSaUuKQ.gif |
| 22:16 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: nsa.gif << top kek |
| 22:21 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/pizza-hut-computers-used-to-mine-bitcoin-in-2013/ |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
pizza hut << this distinguishes it from every other cattle farm where the cattle get to use computers, precisely how? |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen mike_c |
| 22:29 |
gribble |
mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <mike_c> quite the empire brewing. |
| 22:33 |
mike_c |
i'm around |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ah nice. |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i luv the summoning capabilities of teh log. |
| 22:44 |
ben_vulpes |
!up Vexual |
| 22:47 |
cazalla |
asciilifeform, sunday is a slow day, whaddaya want from me? |
| 22:48 |
cazalla |
i mean, why spend $20-$30 on a pizza when you can get one from pizza hut on tight ass tuesday for $3.95! |
| 22:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00064657 = 9.5285 BTC [+] |
| 23:03 |
asciilifeform |
pizza hut << incidentally, if you tally up an upper bound for how much could have been mined ('up to 60 stores', let's say a few machines in each) - it ought to have sufficed for... a couple of pizzas. |
| 23:04 |
asciilifeform |
non-asic mining is 'dead as dodo', and certainly was in 2013. |
| 23:04 |
asciilifeform |
at least, most of it |
| 23:15 |
ben_vulpes |
every hash is sacred |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
every hash is needed, in your neighbourhood! |
| 23:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00064966 = 6.3667 BTC [+] |
| 23:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00064995 = 20.051 BTC [+] |
| 23:29 |
asciilifeform |
!up Vexual |
| 23:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18941 @ 0.00065206 = 12.3507 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:35 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Cryptocus |
| 23:36 |
Vexual |
I'm trying to get my head around this taxation stuff |
| 23:37 |
ben_vulpes |
speak further on thy confusion, Vexual |
| 23:37 |
Vexual |
well it's internet powered to be sure |
| 23:40 |
Vexual |
so, I'm porndering the notion "Bitcoin realised" |
| 23:41 |
Vexual |
I suppose there are no other qualifiers on purpose |
| 23:49 |
Vexual |
oh it's good |
| 23:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064966 = 12.1162 BTC [-] |
| 23:55 |
ben_vulpes |
http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ << tiny brain blown |
| 23:55 |
assbot |
reproducible builds - a month ahead of schedule |