| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
walk in cities and drive a car << iirc, in usa this gives an otherwise-immortal fellow about 500 years 'MTBF'. |
| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
(given an eternal - or at least 'thousand-year' reich, naturally) |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
!s millimort |
| 00:04 |
assbot |
0 results for 'millimort' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=millimort |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
odd, i recall this being discussed |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
where is it |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
!s micromort |
| 00:04 |
assbot |
15 results for 'micromort' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=micromort |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
there we go. |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2014#552521 |
| 00:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-03-2014 02:50:58; asciilifeform: chetty_: russian roulette, ~143,000 micromorts. |
| 00:08 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: we humans are bad at judging small risk |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
what, precisely, are 'we' good at judging ? |
| 00:09 |
decimation |
when our stomachs need filling |
| 00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> when our stomachs need filling << I dunno, have you seen youtube? |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 00:40 |
mircea_popescu |
we're excellent at judging which hole. |
| 00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/d1a5dbe10614c94cf9eecfa652ab1e4c/tumblr_nebldauiD81tlnaoto1_500.jpg << worst puppy. |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Is that a preemie or an abortus? |
| 00:49 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean you never know what gets taxidermy anymore |
| 00:49 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah |
| 00:56 |
|
Bet created: "Russian Ruble to collapse to 60 RUB or more per USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/1066/ |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 01:13 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: wouldn't our immortal-with-a-weakness face even chances of death in 5000 years (assuming 10 in 100000 accident deaths) |
| 01:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Bittorrent is a weird game |
| 01:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Bittorrent has to be the worst place to go to download the classics, if only it wasn't the only place |
| 01:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Lol phishing http://dpaste.com/10N9A33 << cazalla mircea_popescu |
| 01:23 |
assbot |
dpaste: 10N9A33 |
| 01:24 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, legit actually, i make backups with cpanel which makes some 100mb archive but i didn't delete em |
| 01:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Sh.... |
| 01:25 |
cazalla |
and your email is listed as the contact for when a backup is complete, i do em manually by ftp and phpmyadmin too |
| 01:29 |
BingoBoingo |
The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman. |
| 01:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, wasn't five zero two |
| 01:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00059963 = 4.9769 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 02:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00059963 = 13.5816 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 02:19 |
bounce |
``Andrew Lewman, executive director of the Tor Project, which runs the service, said in an e-mail that it does not condone its use for illegal purposes and that it was unclear how authorities discovered the operators of the illicit sites.'' -- yet even the usg promotes its use to explicitly break the law in other countries. funny how that works. |
| 02:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Sounds a lot like the definition of terrorism |
| 02:22 |
bounce |
http://threatpost.com/digicert-considering-certs-for-hidden-services-beyond-facebook/109222 << facebook the gold standard of .onion certificate assurance now. |
| 02:22 |
assbot |
DigiCert Considering Certs for Hidden Services | Threatpost | The first stop for security news |
| 02:22 |
* |
BingoBoingo wonders why rare bittorrents suck so hard |
| 02:27 |
dignork |
bounce: proposition of CA issued cert for tor hidden service still puzzles me, next stop - yellow pages for black market vendors |
| 02:30 |
punkman |
hidden service is supposed to provide end to end encryption , isn't it |
| 02:31 |
BingoBoingo |
dignork: Yellow pages might not be so bad. |
| 02:31 |
BingoBoingo |
punkbot: Well, remember that Debian bug circa 2006 |
| 02:34 |
dignork |
punkman: yes, but in theory signed ssl cert provides some identity validation. Although the same can be achieved by gpg signed .onion address. |
| 02:34 |
bounce |
the onion address is governed by a private key, so no real chance of impersonation -- as long as you check the complete onion address |
| 02:35 |
punkman |
I wonder how many machines they used to find the vanity .onion |
| 02:35 |
bounce |
so the problem they're trying to solve by throwing a threadbare industry best current practice at it is to add some special "it's us, honest!"-sauce to link facebook.com and $facebook.onion |
| 02:36 |
BingoBoingo |
But... OMGWTFBBQ.509 is not a WOT |
| 02:36 |
bounce |
... and do so in a way that makes your browser bar turn a nice comforting colour |
| 02:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Honestly the default "comforting colors seem as shady as fuck |
| 02:41 |
* |
BingoBoingo wonders why paladin press torrents are such shitty downloads, wishes for a Paladin Press takeover by S.QNTR, eventually |
| 02:41 |
bounce |
the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs |
| 02:42 |
BingoBoingo |
<bounce> the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs << Well, hookers invented something |
| 02:43 |
* |
BingoBoingo appologizes, had no idea bittorrent was so slow in the event a person wants to download something the slightest bit interesting |
| 02:52 |
BingoBoingo |
So how sad is it that "planet of the apes" is the most probabale failure mode for homo erectus descendants |
| |
~ 32 minutes ~ |
| 03:25 |
cazalla |
very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? |
| |
↖ |
| 03:25 |
assbot |
‘Bitcoin is Teaching Realism to Libertarians': An Interview With Old-School Cypherpunk Vinay Gupta |
| |
~ 2 hours 29 minutes ~ |
| 05:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0005999 = 13.8577 BTC [+] |
| 06:00 |
jurov |
;;isup bitbet.com |
| 06:00 |
gribble |
bitbet.com is up |
| 06:00 |
jurov |
;;isup bitbet.us |
| 06:00 |
gribble |
bitbet.us is down |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
| 06:19 |
jurov |
http://lcamtuf.blogspot.sk/2014/11/pulling-jpegs-out-of-thin-air.html didn't know this is possible |
| 06:19 |
assbot |
lcamtuf's blog: Pulling JPEGs out of thin air |
| 06:20 |
jurov |
likely it won't figure crypto in any reasonable timeframe, but otherwise..hmmm |
| 06:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00059889 = 11.6484 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 06:52 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 06:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059889 / 0.00062408 / 0.00068112 (613140 shares, 382.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00059889 / 0.00071975 / 0.00079259 (3534752 shares, 2,544.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059889 / 0.0007431 / 0.00081111 (24039298 shares, 17,863.80 BTC) |
| 06:53 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.qntr |
| 06:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC) |
| 06:53 |
thestringpuller |
!mpif |
| 06:54 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00000000 B (Total: 0.00 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-] |
| 06:57 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 06:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059889 / 0.00062408 / 0.00068112 (613140 shares, 382.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00059889 / 0.00071975 / 0.00079259 (3534752 shares, 2,544.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059889 / 0.0007431 / 0.00081111 (24039298 shares, 17,863.80 BTC) |
| |
~ 1 hours 10 minutes ~ |
| 08:07 |
Adlai |
jurov: likely it won't figure crypto in any reasonable timeframe << "figure"? |
| 08:07 |
jurov |
i meant "figure out" |
| 08:08 |
Adlai |
looking at how afl works, it seems to have zero effectiveness for [good] crypto |
| 08:08 |
Adlai |
it's only useful for this jpeg nonsense because it's able to "evolve" the format due to early branches in djpeg |
| 08:10 |
Adlai |
http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/afl_demo/jpeg/full/ |
| 08:10 |
Adlai |
no assbot don't... shit, too late |
| 08:11 |
* |
jurov rolls eyes |
| 08:15 |
Adlai |
on the other hand, http://lcamtuf.blogspot.co.il/2014/10/bash-bug-how-we-finally-cracked.html |
| 08:15 |
assbot |
lcamtuf's blog: Bash bug: the other two RCEs, or how we chipped away at the original fix (CVE-2014-6277 and '78) |
| |
~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~ |
| 09:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14638 @ 0.00059889 = 8.7666 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 38 minutes ~ |
| 09:59 |
scoopbot |
http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/08/why-government-funded-research-is-totally-fucking-borked/ |
| 10:01 |
PeterL |
;;later tell pete_dushenski sorry about missing your blog, looks like scoopbot crashed before you posted it |
| 10:01 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| |
~ 1 hours 25 minutes ~ |
| 11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
goood mornin'. |
| 11:28 |
jurov |
hello |
| 11:34 |
xanthyos |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B17q4rRIgAA1OUb.jpg |
| 11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 11:37 |
jurov |
rofl |
| 11:45 |
jurov |
!up HFSPLUS |
| 11:45 |
HFSPLUS |
whats up everyone? |
| 11:45 |
EXT4 |
yo |
| 11:45 |
jurov |
mopst are afk today |
| 11:45 |
jurov |
hi reiser4 |
| 11:46 |
EXT4 |
lol murderfs hans reiser is in jaul |
| 11:46 |
EXT4 |
!s hans reiser |
| 11:46 |
assbot |
0 results for 'hans reiser' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hans+reiser |
| 11:48 |
jurov |
we dont mention him by full name |
| 11:48 |
jurov |
and next time read teh rules |
| 11:58 |
jurov |
!up DreadKnight |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/HVGxdJ0m |
| 12:16 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com |
| 12:16 |
punkbot |
mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
mpex corps will announce wtf to do with this at the end of the month. |
| 12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla pls to gazette |
| 12:20 |
jurov |
quite a bombshell, the past para |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
these things always are :) |
| 12:20 |
jurov |
*last |
| 12:27 |
bounce |
needs more fmt(1) |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
lolwut ? |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i write my shit by hand! |
| 12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
(your browser should have a fit-to-screen option. and generally, formatting should be done locally not fucking up the document with spuriousness) |
| 12:29 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15W7cVuz |
| 12:30 |
* |
bounce disagrees. 80 cols for the ages. |
| 12:30 |
jurov |
well, everyone is lazy and just throws text into <pre> |
| 12:31 |
jurov |
let the browser format the text and offer raw text for download |
| 12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i hate nothing more than downloading a "text" document and instead getting a "text+markup that's identical to text and only works on obsolete machinery anyway" |
| 12:33 |
jurov |
yes, hard-pre-wrapped text is hard to work with |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
then i have to run it through complex fucking awk to make it sane again |
| 12:38 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 15W7cVuzjXHvVqw6vcySq6jr9qq8Kv9SCH | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15W7cVuz |
| 12:41 |
* |
bounce has awk to put the overly long lines into something comfortably readable. screens may get bigger and bigger, but the comfy line length doesn't change |
| 12:42 |
jurov |
just resize the window? |
| 12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and is magically the same for everyone ? |
| 12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, i think i read about 110 |
| 12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
may be related to what books one grew up reading. |
| 12:42 |
jurov |
on portable device, one may leed less than 80 |
| 12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
usually yes. |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce in any case, consider that putting a \n every 80th character is a lot easier than extracting spurious \ns |
| 12:49 |
bounce |
oh I don't know that. if the lines get long enough things get "interesting" in a hurry |
| 12:49 |
bounce |
smtp and 998 characters, for example |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
its still buggy ?! |
| 12:55 |
jurov |
irc and 400 characters :D |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b12 |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
3456789c123456789d123456789e |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
423 ? |
| 12:57 |
bounce |
510 actually, but including :you@your.host.whatever PRIVMSG #channel |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ah yes. |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i imagine ba-ircd will use 1024 or something. |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a little narrow. |
| 13:02 |
jurov |
i supported 4096B http headers in ziproxy |
| 13:03 |
jurov |
users bitched |
| 13:03 |
jurov |
it ended up 4M |
| 13:04 |
bounce |
per line? that sounds a little excessive. |
| 13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/contact.html ? |
| 13:04 |
assbot |
Ziproxy - Contact |
| 13:04 |
jurov |
yes that |
| 13:05 |
jurov |
but twas 10 years ago, it has new maintainer since |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 13:09 |
jurov |
iirc some sites sent insane megabyte cookies |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
those sites not functioning sounds like a blessing. |
| 13:20 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: https://code.google.com/p/american-fuzzy-lop/ << fascinating |
| 13:20 |
assbot |
american-fuzzy-lop - A practical, instrumentation-driven fuzzer for binary formats - Google Project Hosting |
| 13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo: The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman. << nah actually looks legit. |
| 13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork: bounce: proposition of CA issued cert for tor hidden service still puzzles me, next stop - yellow pages for black market vendors << nah, it's quite obvious, BingoBoingo has it : us sponsored terrorism. |
| 13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
"those people's laws aren't really laws, our laws are really laws". |
| |
↖ |
| 13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce: ... and do so in a way that makes your browser bar turn a nice comforting colour << that. |
| 13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla: where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? << heh. and they mention it, too, because they're cultured and stuff. o.O |
| 13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: and next time read teh rules << uh what'd i miss ? |
| 13:28 |
jurov |
i think he got devoiced due to nick changes |
| 13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
a |
| 13:32 |
ben_vulpes |
bitcoin-assets is best alternate reality game |
| 13:32 |
xanthyos |
heh |
| 13:32 |
kakobrekla |
also best shell |
| 13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
yea srsly. |
| 13:33 |
ben_vulpes |
#!/irc/#bitcoin-assets |
| 13:34 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: why do you put a space before semicolons? |
| 13:34 |
ben_vulpes |
and colons? |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
for visibility. |
| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
(and question marks) |
| 13:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://pastebin.com/HVGxdJ0m << historic |
| 13:37 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
o hai asciilifeform |
| 13:38 |
asciilifeform |
where do i 'hancock' |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
well, sign the text put it in the deeds |
| 13:39 |
asciilifeform |
gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.) |
| 13:39 |
ben_vulpes |
.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4GSHjhrw |
| 13:39 |
punkbot |
ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 13:40 |
ben_vulpes |
my own execution warrant. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
lol, hey, gotta go somehow. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
better than a car crash. |
| 13:41 |
asciilifeform |
.deed http://pastebin.com/Ty0YMXU6 |
| 13:41 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION OF - Pastebin.com |
| 13:41 |
punkbot |
asciilifeform: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 13:49 |
mircea_popescu |
sooo where are these nude photos of Miss Teen USA 2013 ? |
| 13:49 |
punkbot |
Bundled 2 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1HAMmA7Z |
| 13:51 |
ben_vulpes |
perhaps some bezzletrons will satisfy? http://twicsy.com/i/r84UNf |
| 13:51 |
assbot |
_lauradfbennett : Re-united with my bezzletrons http://t.co/yMXHkT5m5q | Twicsy - Twitter Picture Discovery |
| 13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck is that ? |
| 13:57 |
* |
ben_vulpes shrugs |
| 13:59 |
chetty |
is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy? |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
.h |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
.help |
| 14:00 |
punkbot |
ben_vulpes: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
.help deed |
| 14:00 |
punkbot |
ben_vulpes: (deed [url]) -- the bot will search [url] for signed deeds and queue them. |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
.help list |
| 14:00 |
punkbot |
ben_vulpes: Error: There is no command "list". |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
.list |
| 14:00 |
ben_vulpes |
i recall doing this before... |
| 14:02 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 1HAMmA7Zb6815zGB4A977B7pcvog78zsWD | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1HAMmA7Z |
| 14:03 |
jurov |
.help help |
| 14:03 |
punkbot |
jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. |
| 14:11 |
punkman |
chetty: is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy? << it's just one command! |
| 14:17 |
BingoBoingo |
.deed http://dpaste.com/1366QWC |
| 14:17 |
assbot |
dpaste: 1366QWC |
| 14:17 |
punkbot |
BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 14:20 |
BingoBoingo |
qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/ |
| 14:20 |
thestringpuller |
I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model |
| 14:20 |
thestringpuller |
or structure profits to make donations |
| 14:21 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/ |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 14:40 |
ben_vulpes |
.deed http://dpaste.com/1CSCD1G.txt |
| 14:40 |
punkbot |
ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 14:40 |
ben_vulpes |
.deed http://dpaste.com/1MMVM04.txt |
| 14:40 |
punkbot |
ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 14:40 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/flashback-gavin-andresen/ |
| 14:41 |
ben_vulpes |
i don't think that dating these things is necessary. they embed in the blockchain, after all. |
| 14:46 |
ben_vulpes |
;;rate jurov 4 |
| 14:46 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 4. |
| 14:47 |
Pierre_Rochard |
“pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised” <- Is this tax on profit or revenues? |
| 14:49 |
punkbot |
Bundled 3 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1AsyzbGx |
| 14:54 |
ben_vulpes |
how does a tax on revenues make any sense? |
| 14:55 |
ben_vulpes |
Pierre_Rochard ^^ |
| 14:55 |
ben_vulpes |
imagine the pathological case where an operation's barely scraping by with margins of, oh let's just say 0.1%. |
| 15:02 |
Pierre_Rochard |
ben_vulpes: both tax on revenues and tax on profits have their pros and cons. So I’m assuming the answer to my question is that it’s a tax on profits |
| 15:03 |
ben_vulpes |
Pierre_Rochard: okay so indulge me, because i know nothing about the pros and cons of taxation: what are the benefits of taxing revenues? |
| 15:05 |
BingoBoingo |
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/11/07/local-police-can-arrest-federal-agents-it-just-happened-in-salt-lake-city/ |
| 15:05 |
assbot |
Local Police CAN Arrest Federal Agents: It just happened in Salt Lake City | Tenth Amendment Center |
| 15:05 |
Pierre_Rochard |
off the top of my head: (1) avoid companies playing games with expenses to minimize taxable profits (2) widen the base to unprofitable and break-even companies (why should they be indirectly subsidized by profitable companies) |
| 15:06 |
* |
BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe |
| 15:06 |
Pierre_Rochard |
for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) |
| 15:06 |
Pierre_Rochard |
yet they’re* |
| 15:08 |
ben_vulpes |
profitless companies don't really fly in la serenissima. yet, at least. |
| 15:10 |
ben_vulpes |
and in any case, those tithing will make the call on their own. |
| 15:10 |
bounce |
you know, first time I see this thing is it getting signed. |
| 15:10 |
bounce |
bit of a bummer, I'd say. |
| 15:11 |
Pierre_Rochard |
noted, just curiousity from my inner accountant |
| 15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-assets-deed-system/ maybe ? |
| 15:11 |
assbot |
The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 15:11 |
ben_vulpes |
bounce: you want discussion of it? a wiki? |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
<thestringpuller> I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model << bitcoin corps, basically. |
| 15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
<Pierre_Rochard> pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised <- Is this tax on profit or revenues? << profit |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
* BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes. |
| 15:13 |
bounce |
"your mother dresses you funny". there, all done. |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
<bounce> bit of a bummer, I'd say. << whyssat ? |
| 15:13 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes. << Get nubbins' to print them! |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
you mean we all wear silkscreens ?! |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Pierre_Rochard> for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) << i dunno how that is supposed to stand. if they're not making a profit then their users are deriving all the benefit. |
| 15:16 |
bounce |
you don't get why that's a bummer? that's really bad. |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
why should they pay. |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce explain it to me like i were five! |
| 15:16 |
bounce |
actually, no. certainly not now. |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
well whenever you feel like o.O |
| 15:18 |
ben_vulpes |
it's just an alternate reality game yo |
| 15:18 |
ben_vulpes |
CHAPTER TWO: IN WHICH THE USIANS LOSE THEIR HEADS |
| 15:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Silkscreening is what makes the robes weird |
| 15:19 |
Apocalyptic |
"That's absurd. The whole Lavabit episode actually indicates how strong the CA infrastructure really is", hearn |
| 15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
duh. |
| 15:20 |
Apocalyptic |
that's hilarious |
| 15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
what else would you have him say ? |
| 15:20 |
Apocalyptic |
something less stupid ? |
| 15:21 |
|
Bet created: "Bitcoin price falls on Bitcoin Black Friday" http://bitbet.us/bet/1067/ |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
not an easy task, finding such among the pile at his disposal. |
| 15:22 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 1AsyzbGxFiV3RxtEXumhFG1byvpiU37L6j | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1AsyzbGx |
| 15:22 |
scoopbot |
New post on Bingo Blog by BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/ |
| 15:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Also qntra traffic up again, time to hire! https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net |
| 15:23 |
assbot |
Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast |
| 15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
hehe check that out! |
| 15:25 |
kakobrekla |
dude, ddos doesnt count |
| 15:26 |
BingoBoingo |
WHy not? |
| 15:26 |
BingoBoingo |
DDoS counts if it reads while doing it |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think quantcast counts ddos |
| 15:30 |
|
Bet created: "JoePA gets his wins back" http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/ |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/fveAfXy6 |
| 15:31 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Your dividend payment for S. - Pastebin.com |
| 15:31 |
punkbot |
mircea_popescu: Queued 2 valid deeds for next bundle. |
| 15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
punkbot status |
| 15:33 |
punkbot |
mircea_popescu: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 43 minutes ago |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman can the punkbot skip the pgp header all the way to the next \n after "Hash:" ? |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
and can it put say 32 bytes so obtained off each deed in a " ; " separated list that it pastes here ? |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
and can it also use the first line as the title of the document always, so the "Title: " magic words are no longer needed in deeds ? |
| 15:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31468 @ 0.00055921 = 17.5972 BTC [-] |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
!up deed_noob|97959 |
| 15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a new one. |
| 15:50 |
punkbot |
Bundled 2 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19c63aCJ |
| 15:51 |
|
Bet created: "Ban on Reddit BTC tip bot Changetip" http://bitbet.us/bet/1069/ |
| 15:54 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/hashfast-to-liquidate/ |
| 15:55 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xU57gP0Kzw |
| 15:55 |
assbot |
Screenwipe - Idea - YouTube |
| 16:06 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 19c63aCJM1qKa7mTSBpso1zUVUACpEM6NP | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19c63aCJ |
| 16:11 |
mircea_popescu |
punkbot balance |
| 16:11 |
punkbot |
mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01383 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 125 more bundles. |
| 16:12 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to gazette <<< looks like BingoBoingo did so while i was sleeping |
| 16:13 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah! |
| 16:15 |
|
Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/ |
| 16:18 |
|
Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q2 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1071/ |
| 16:20 |
BingoBoingo |
https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/531190387361447936 |
| 16:20 |
assbot |
There should be, ideally, a qntra for every topic, where experts simply tell the truth, plainly, in form and style. Would people get it? |
| 16:20 |
BingoBoingo |
^ Feedback |
| 16:21 |
mircea_popescu |
if only we had that many experts. |
| 16:22 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
deednoon|(somerandomnumber) must be someone who logged in from deedbot.com irc web client fyi |
| 16:23 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
| 16:37 |
thestringpuller |
;;ud Philosopher's Legacy |
| 16:37 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+Philosophers+Legacy | The men and women who were involved in The Philosopher's Legacy were also known as the Twelve Wisemen's Committee, the Patriots, or the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo. |
| 16:40 |
chetty |
punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5FR9QRDA |
| 16:40 |
punkbot |
chetty: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 16:40 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: I'll make it grab, say the first 100 chars on the first line and use that for titles. |
| 16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
works. |
| 16:41 |
punkman |
and what about announcing titles here |
| 16:41 |
punkman |
when bundle is made? |
| 16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
i would think take out the "bundle made" thing entirely |
| 16:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and only announce when tx'd. |
| 16:45 |
punkman |
yeah ok, was more useful before the website existed |
| 16:45 |
punkman |
will just announce confirms |
| 16:46 |
mircea_popescu |
you can have it pm if you want for debug purposes or w/e, but otherwise kind-of redundant in chan |
| 16:50 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19BXLtDe |
| 16:55 |
thestringpuller |
!t m s.mpoe |
| 16:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055921 / 0.00059478 / 0.000603 (235238 shares, 139.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00055921 / 0.00071558 / 0.00078536 (3467149 shares, 2,481.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00055921 / 0.00074278 / 0.00081111 (24002339 shares, 17,828.57 BTC) |
| 17:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120000 @ 0.00057053 = 68.4636 BTC [+] {4} |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL hey listen, can you make a website for the scoopbot bot ? put it under blogs.bitcoin-assets.com liek before ? |
| 17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i think pankkake published the code he was using somewhere |
| 17:28 |
PeterL |
mircea_popescu: sure, it is something I was planning to do soon |
| 17:28 |
mircea_popescu |
cool |
| 17:31 |
PeterL |
;;rate kakobrekla 2 bitbet, assbot, etc |
| 17:31 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user kakobrekla has been recorded. |
| 17:32 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 19BXLtDe1FQC1FSVpSpYwG1RXTvL3k5hzW | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19BXLtDe |
| 17:33 |
PeterL |
;;rate danielpbarron 1 https://twitter.com/danielpbarron seems like a nice guy, calls out scammers |
| 17:33 |
assbot |
Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) on Twitter |
| 17:33 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded. |
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~ 53 minutes ~ |
| 18:27 |
Adlai |
"absolved from all allegiance to any entity… is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation" |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 18:43 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu heres buttcoin hosting https://coinshost.com/en/ |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
took 20 or so seconds to load |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
not encouraging. |
| 18:44 |
asciilifeform |
i don't remember what other people wanted, but i would like a hosting vendor who is in wot. |
| 18:45 |
kakobrekla |
seems like their page is bit broked |
| 18:45 |
kakobrekla |
makes some bad requests |
| 18:45 |
asciilifeform |
no wot presence, no symptoms of actually working tech. what's the appeal then ? |
| 18:46 |
kakobrekla |
i did not claim appeal |
| 18:47 |
kakobrekla |
below it sez >Proudly brought to you by Incloudibly. |
| 18:47 |
kakobrekla |
heh. |
| 18:47 |
asciilifeform |
'If you dont like the Bitcoin Foundation, you could start a new one, right? Sure, absolutely. Just like you could start a new river Thames. Have a shovel. Start digging.' << lol! |
| 18:48 |
kakobrekla |
only noticed now |
| 18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla is it any good ? |
| 18:48 |
kakobrekla |
incloudibly ? i think they are the ones that down allow irc bots |
| 18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform who's the idiot ? |
| 18:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-11-2014#914881 |
| 18:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-11-2014 08:25:40; cazalla: very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? |
| 18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
scams as geological features now, what's next, libertardism as a natural satellite ? |
| 18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, gupta. mkay. who asked him anything or w/e. |
| 18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
<Adlai> "absolved from all allegiance to any entity
is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation" << you gotta re-read. |
| 18:57 |
punkman |
suppose everyone in assbot wot signs the declaration. doesn't make too much sense to keep 450 copies of the same document. |
| 18:57 |
mircea_popescu |
why not ? |
| 18:58 |
Adlai |
what exactly did i miss? |
| 18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
disk space and bw increase at 100% a year yo. |
| 18:58 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai : "absolved from all allegiance to any entity ; if you pay this much no one can ask for more" |
| 18:59 |
punkman |
well even if I keep 450 copies, would be nice to detect it and present a special page with the document and a list of signatures |
| 18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
punkbot suppose 200 of those people sign subtly different versions. |
| 19:00 |
punkman |
well that's that |
| 19:01 |
Adlai |
mircea_popescu: "is to pay" is a stronger statement than "if you pay, ..." |
| 19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
besides you know, they prolly go in different bundles, and in general, it's not the signature that's subordinate to the document, but the other way around |
| 19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai exactly. |
| 19:04 |
punkman |
http://www.wired.com/2014/10/world_passport/ |
| 19:04 |
assbot |
Hacker Dreams Up Crypto Passport Using the Tech Behind Bitcoin | WIRED |
| 19:05 |
* |
asciilifeform groans |
| 19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman https://blockchain.info/address/1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny << seem you got the url, and also check it out, regularly spent! |
| 19:05 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Address 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny |
| 19:06 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: oh good |
| 19:06 |
joecool |
oh cool it hooks into blockchain.info now, very nice |
| 19:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 |
| 19:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. |
| 19:07 |
punkman |
the bundle txs are unspent, if that's what you meant |
| 19:07 |
asciilifeform |
(re: the idiot 'passport' thing) |
| 19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman no, they're spent up to about yest ? |
| 19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
so someone's on it. |
| 19:07 |
punkman |
no that's the balance being spent for each next bundle |
| 19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i don;'t think the wired story has anything to do with anything. for one thing... they EXPIRE ?!?!?! |
| 19:08 |
punkman |
punkbot balance |
| 19:08 |
punkbot |
punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01372 BTC (0.05 unconfirmed), enough for 124 more bundles. |
| 19:08 |
Adlai |
well, people expire... |
| 19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman 14r4VdZFYJnGG52B6w9Th7oKjGXU1pDzKX is spent say |
| 19:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: from my first impression, it looked like some savage found a piece of our microscope left in the jungle |
| 19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, not even that advance.d |
| 19:09 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: yeah just noticed, that's good |
| 19:09 |
punkman |
faucet incentivizes verification |
| 19:10 |
asciilifeform |
check out the shitgnomes in the comments. 'use keybase!' |
| 19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman yuppers. |
| 19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform disqus is disabled here. no comments. |
| 19:12 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: not missing much |
| 19:15 |
punkman |
I'm guessing nubbins` will be printing the first batch of La Serenissima passports ;) |
| 19:16 |
mircea_popescu |
but i mean the passport comes as a temp freenode:#bitcoin-otc:blabla string |
| 19:17 |
punkman |
well maybe novelty item then |
| 19:17 |
asciilifeform |
'passport', if you must, is pubkey |
| 19:17 |
asciilifeform |
the rest, is merely proving that you have it. |
| 19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
well wait. identity is pubkey. the rest is the passport. |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, proving you have it. |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
that's a better formulation. |
| 19:19 |
punkman |
and signature of the kingdom> |
| 19:21 |
punkman |
btw http://www.icao.int/security/mrtd/pages/ICAOPKD.aspx |
| 19:21 |
assbot |
ICAO Public Key Directory (PKD) |
| 19:22 |
asciilifeform |
^ work of satan |
| 19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
y ? |
| 19:23 |
asciilifeform |
pki |
| 19:23 |
asciilifeform |
and guess who has master key. |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
but i mean ... they just reused the https crapolade. |
| 19:24 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not work of satan, it;'s work of whoever was the demon of sloth |
| 19:24 |
asciilifeform |
god of shit. sterculius. |
| 19:25 |
asciilifeform |
or... 'Hie thee to hell for shame, and leave the world, Thou cacodemon! There thy kingdom is.' (richard iii) |
| 19:25 |
asciilifeform |
(cacodemon, as seen in 'doom'.) |
| 19:27 |
Adlai |
passports as private key... remind me of some gag where a bitcoiner gets some "paper wallets" for his fiat account and discovers that his keys are printed in cleartext on every page |
| 19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
you mean like bank account numbers ? |
| 19:28 |
Adlai |
https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/239wv9/so_i_went_to_open_a_checking_account_todayhow/ |
| 19:28 |
assbot |
So I went to open a checking account today...How these banks have stayed in business this long is beyond reason. : Bitcoin |
| 19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
fun story : romania's dictators had nfi that they will be shot. because srsly, who would shoot obama, and why ?!?!?! |
| 19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
eventually, as things got out of control they ran off in a helicopter |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the woman, being also a mother, took some money with her for her children. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
these consisted of accounts drawn against the national (and only) bank |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and the passwords were their names. |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this is in no way surprising. |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
one of those things only ever surprising in retrospect. |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
punkbot balance |
| 19:31 |
punkbot |
mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06372 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 579 more bundles. |
| 19:31 |
asciilifeform |
who would have dared to monkey with the tyrant's bank account when he was on the throne. |
| 19:31 |
asciilifeform |
and who gave half a rat's arse after. |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, another fun story : |
| 19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
romanian defence minister got sent to russia on business, including to buy some fighter jets. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
dictator-wife goes through dictator paperwork, wtf, why do "we" need planes. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
guy decides not to buy planes anymoar. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
aparatus desperately calls to moscow, pls to not sign anymore |
| 19:33 |
asciilifeform |
elena the 'chemist' ? |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"too late". yes, her. |
| 19:33 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
| 19:33 |
asciilifeform |
al schwartz had many good elene c. stories |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
so it is decided that... fancy this... they'll simply not pay. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, ignor the matter altogether. |
| 19:33 |
asciilifeform |
the faux 'chemistry' really grated on him |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
at which point ppl are like wtf, this is some sort of a kindergarten act ?! who ever heard of this |
| 19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
(summer of 1989) |
| 19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ftr, grep -v -f is atrociously ineffectual for large files. |
| 19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
is this for a good reason or just bad gnutella ? |
| 19:36 |
asciilifeform |
aside from the fundamentally bigger set ? |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
shouldn't grep -v -f (x rand(x)) y rand(y) be a function of x*y ? |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this looks more like it's x^y or some shit. |
| 19:38 |
Adlai |
exceeding various cache sizes? |
| 19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
shouldn't it just tree the f ? |
| 19:41 |
Adlai |
pure speculation: it caches the list of -f patterns, then goes over the input lines, testing all patterns on each line. this would have a sharp performance drop as the patterns overflow caches. |
| 19:42 |
asciilifeform |
the fact that no one here is willing to answer this question by attempting to read the source, says something about the latter. |
| 19:42 |
* |
Adlai is busy worshipping sterculius |
| 19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform have you LOOKED at grep source ? |
| 19:43 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
| 19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
im not paying for a week of graybeard to go into its guts tyvm. |
| 19:43 |
* |
asciilifeform said this for a reason. |
| 19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, stercum means shit. sterculius sounds like the god of diarrhea |
| 19:47 |
asciilifeform |
;;google sterculius |
| 19:47 |
gribble |
Sterquilinus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterquilinus>; STERCULIUS - the Roman God of Manure (Roman mythology): <http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/roman-mythology.php?deity=STERCULIUS>; Urban Dictionary: Sterculius: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sterculius> |
| 19:47 |
* |
asciilifeform forgets where and how |
| 19:48 |
Adlai |
indeed, i'd like to deal with at most one turd at a time |
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| 20:21 |
punkman |
here's a thought: .sign AQLSTVsF http://paste.com/detached_sig.txt |
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| 20:22 |
punkman |
it just goes in as a regular deed, but punkbot knows how to verify sig |
| 20:22 |
punkman |
(where AQLSTVsF, any deed id) |
| 20:24 |
punkman |
and btw, you can even post binary data as deed with :gpg --sign --armor |
| 20:24 |
punkman |
could allow larger limit for teh lords |
| 20:25 |
punkman |
(32kb currently) |
| 20:37 |
jurov |
http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/ |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
Feds Begin Their Crackdown on Bitcoin Stocks | WIRED |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
'...a crackdown that could affect promising Bitcoin 2.0 projects such as Ethereum, MaidSafe, and Counterparty.' |
| 20:38 |
* |
asciilifeform groans |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
and the verbiage is straight from last week's turds |
| 20:39 |
punkman |
"Keirns was doing what came naturally. He had a business idea, and he created a fund." |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman so basically what, it verifies an alt-sig for the body of a prev deed ? |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah, because the scams hadn't already been cracked down upon a year ago, right here. |
| 20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the insanity is strong with these guys. |
| 20:43 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd sign your raw deed, then send detached sig to bot |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
so how does it publish it ? |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
and where does it put it ? |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
(yes, said it before, but) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 |
| 20:43 |
assbot |
Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. |
| 20:43 |
punkman |
the detached sig becomes the body of a new deed, included in bundles as usual |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
not 'insanity' as such, just very arduously pretending that we don't exist. |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate wired -1 such horribru coverage from the it kindergarten fishwrapper. |
| 20:44 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user wired has been recorded. |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ow shit. |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
;;unrate |
| 20:44 |
gribble |
(unrate <nick>) -- Remove your rating for <nick> from the database. |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus the wot is packed so thight you can't even throw a rock at the swamp without hitting someone |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
;;unrate wired |
| 20:44 |
gribble |
Successfully removed your rating for wired. |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anyway, "we're ~cracking down~ dontcha know, notwithstanding that we have no authority. this activity without effect could nevertheless which could affect scams we sponsored to try and destroy this thing but it didn't work out". |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
such false->anything->anything->anything genius. |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman so how would a 3rd party verify the contentless signature is anything ? |
| 20:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00058756 = 11.5749 BTC [+] |
| 20:51 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: I guess referenced deed id is included along with detached sig |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
so then what was the benefit ? |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, it's good as it is, no need fixing. |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the fact that thew system offers a strong guarantee that any deed can be verified in 1 step is valuable. |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
that value needn't be squandered. |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"Unfortunately, earnings reported in corporate financial statements are no longer the dominant variable that determines whether there are any real earnings for you, the owner. For only gains in purchasing power represent real earnings on investment. If you (a) forego ten hamburgers to purchase an investment; (b) receive dividends which, after tax, buy two hamburgers; and (c) receive, upon sale of your holdings, aft |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
er-tax proceeds that will buy eight hamburgers, then (d) you have had no real income from your investment, no matter how much it appreciated in dollars. You may feel richer, but you wont eat richer." |
| 21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
guess who. |
| 21:08 |
decimation |
taleb? you? |
| 21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, buffett. |
| 21:08 |
mircea_popescu |
but in 1980. |
| 21:10 |
decimation |
heh. I wonder if he used this as a defense of his anti-dividend policy |
| 21:12 |
decimation |
lol http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/07/codecademy-reskillusa/ << recycle jobless 'workers' to skilled web developers in three months, please please usg you pay? |
| 21:12 |
assbot |
Codecademy Teams Up With Online And Offline Coding Schools To Create ReskillUSA | TechCrunch |
| 21:14 |
mircea_popescu |
well... promising 2.0 businesses such as ethereum could use more css... |
| 21:14 |
decimation |
lol |
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| 21:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00057487 = 7.1284 BTC [-] |
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| 22:03 |
pete_dushenski |
punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/b83yTQaz |
| 22:03 |
assbot |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com |
| 22:03 |
punkbot |
pete_dushenski: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle. |
| 22:15 |
Adlai |
!s urbit |
| 22:15 |
assbot |
117 results for 'urbit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urbit |
| 22:15 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17J6NAKN |
| 22:18 |
decimation |
have you used urbit Adlai? |
| 22:19 |
Adlai |
nope, just encountering this now |
| 22:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17169 @ 0.00056483 = 9.6976 BTC [-] |
| 22:39 |
punkbot |
Confirmed bundle 17J6NAKN9aiFNcdesz417hXZqtixLk6wpw | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/17J6NAKN |
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| 22:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00056101 = 11.1641 BTC [-] |
| 23:09 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/09/la-serenissima-sovereign-declares-tithe-3/ |
| 23:09 |
assbot |
La Serenissima: Sovereign, Declares Tithe³ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 23:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16371 @ 0.00056331 = 9.2219 BTC [+] |
| 23:19 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i like the declaration but fuck the tax bs for gots sake man. I refuse to sign it! not cool pete |
| 23:29 |
cazalla |
RagnarDanneskjol, i don't think anyone said you had to sign it |
| 23:29 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i didnt say they did. just passing an opinion |
| 23:31 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
RagnarDanneskjol: ask mircea_popescu |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
he wrote it. |
| 23:34 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ahh ok, I'll take it up with the boss then - thought it originated w/ pete. thanks |
| 23:34 |
asciilifeform |
as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader. |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
none of the folks here seem to have the magic combo of skill, inclination, and free time |
| 23:35 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i get it. there is quite a bit of volunteer support about to flood this channel for this purpose |
| 23:35 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
qualified support |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
about to? |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
what are they waiting for? |
| 23:35 |
decimation |
to sign a deed? |
| 23:35 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
me |
| 23:36 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first |
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| 23:37 |
asciilifeform |
if the troops are able and willing to follow jurov's turdatron rules (as well as produce quality work) - great news. |
| 23:37 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
we'll see. making no promises |
| 23:37 |
asciilifeform |
but unless i am mistaken, mircea_popescu is proceeding from an understanding that a quality reference implementation will require paid experts. |
| 23:37 |
asciilifeform |
hence his proclamation of 'tithe' |
| 23:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
might be that too |
| 23:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
got it. tithe I can live with. tax not so much |
| 23:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
can you pls direct me to jurov's requirements? |
| 23:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
or the rules of contention |
| 23:38 |
asciilifeform |
RagnarDanneskjol: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev |
| 23:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oh that ok |
| 23:38 |
asciilifeform |
described in 'submitting patches' |
| 23:38 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
right got it |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
the only thing not mentioned there, is the absolute need for patches to be readable |
| 23:39 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i see |
| 23:39 |
asciilifeform |
that is, it must address a specific thing, and patch is not really considered worthwhile until other participants are willing to sign it. |
| 23:40 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
should be interesting |
| 23:40 |
asciilifeform |
(which others must sign? this question has not been formally answered yet. on account of there not being a real maintainer.) |
| 23:40 |
asciilifeform |
i did the last merge personally, and i think a few folks here are using it |
| 23:40 |
asciilifeform |
but i'm not an 'official' anything. |
| 23:41 |
asciilifeform |
(other than being the devil who led these folks into the temptation of trying to craft a 'reference implementation.') |
| 23:41 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
heh |
| 23:41 |
asciilifeform |
i also wrote a few of the simple patches found on jurov's site right now |
| 23:42 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
cool |
| 23:42 |
asciilifeform |
entirely crud removal (of, e.g., gavin's 'emergency broadcast' crap) |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot |
| 23:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet. |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
I had to add a few headers |
| 23:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: because non-deterministic - once db is corrupt, wedge. |
| 23:43 |
decimation |
yeah I was using the 'ports' db, which is 4.6 I think |
| 23:43 |
asciilifeform |
when corrups? no one knows |
| 23:51 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
speaking of support, how you been chalbersma - LA treating you ok |
| 23:52 |
chalbersma |
Ya been super busy. But it's nice out hear. |
| 23:52 |
chalbersma |
What seems to be the support problem you speak of? |
| 23:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
well, the folks here started a movement to roll back btc core development to a pristine, decrufted state |
| 23:53 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
and looking for guys like you with some hands on experience to contribute |
| 23:54 |
chalbersma |
Hmm sounds interesting. |
| 23:54 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yea, should be fun |
| 23:54 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
getting some links to bring you up to speed |
| 23:54 |
chalbersma |
kk |
| 23:56 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-foundation-finally-incorporated/ |
| 23:56 |
assbot |
The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 23:56 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://f9beb4d9.org/ |
| 23:56 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/ |
| 23:56 |
assbot |
Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra.net |
| 23:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58120 @ 0.0005603 = 32.5646 BTC [-] {2} |