#trilema | 2014-10-03

DanielKrawisz this "reddit should build on bitcoin" stuff is lulzy.

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reddit isn't there to build something useful.

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i know

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Basically, we started out as an econ discussion group at a university called the Mises Circle, but then I got everyone talking almost exclusively about bitcoin.

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reddit is there to try and leech something if at all possible. sort-of like an online hot topic.

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BingoBoingo: I suspect that some degree of 'white power' in prision is 'us v. them'

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And then we were like, "Wouldn't it be hilarious if we started the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute?" for a while and then we stopped making jokes about it and just did it.

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reddit is built off cat pictures and gonewild

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its a source of amusement, entertainment, and misinformation

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Yeah, I think reddit doesn't quite understand what they're doing.

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<mats_cd03> why does freenode suck so much << because they essentially gave up ? just riding things as they are into the night, as it were.

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a pascification of the proletariat

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DanielKrawisz, they fully understand what they are doing

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Oh, they are doing a deliberate pump and dump?

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no

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they are doing what cryptographics has made popular

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there own digital currency

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<Dimsler> seriously are you going to be preaching the satoshibible here? <<< unlike 99% of the derps derping about bitcoin, i don't recall these folks saying anything infuriatingly stupid.

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Oh yeah, we always complain about the stupidity over in our group too.

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mircea_popescu, he called it the nakamoto institute

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<mircea_popescu> I've got a camera. I've got a tent. << lmao what an attitude << Given the alternatives in Usaschwitz, that Thompson guy found an interesting defense against the Feds with his selectively unreliable narration.

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how is that not initself infuriating

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so what's in a name.

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i dunno, it doesn't get me. it doesn't have bit into it.

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ugh

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if it were the nakabit insticoin it'd have been more annoying. course also lulzier.

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especially if the bad instigation puns started flowing.,

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Well we wanted to use that name because we agreed that a lot of the bitcoin world was trying to downplay him.

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people that put bit or coin into anything should be publically flogged

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you mean cryptopublically bitflogged ?

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Hahaha

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DanielKrawisz, because cryptographics was not invented by him

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and cryptographic based currencies and other online currencies have been around since digicash

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which was like 1989

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DanielKrawisz that's unavoidable. it's the nature of the ignorant twerps making up the us horde, to overplay their own narcisism against history.

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Digicash is very different from bitcoin.

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i'm surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler, back in iowa or something

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It's a money substitute, like a bank note. I'm writing a paper on this stuff now.

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Dimsler get outta here.

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lol

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this is like saying cars have been around since 1600 because oxcarts.

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Haha, indeed.

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there is exactly zero continuity between bitcoin and all the idiotic derpage prior.

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mircea_popescu: surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler << americans used to. huey p. long was supposed to be 'original hitler'

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DanielKrawisz, can you write about how satoshi didn't understand economics and based his theory on murray rothbards teachings

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asciilifeform right you are, huh.

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Dimsler wouldja stop trying to drive people into a wall deliberately.

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Then there were some proposals for digital collectibles; b-money, RPOW, and bit gold. Those things were an important step forward, but RPOW was the only one ever implemented, and it didn't take off. I don't think they would have worked. Bitcoin fixed a lot of stuff that they got wrong.

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lol ok ok

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yeah, like, penicillin fixed a lot of stuff shaman cures got wrong.

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let's be clear here : wanting something, no matter how intensively, is NOT grounds for relation with the thing once made.

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DanielKrawisz, quantitative monetary theory

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i'll leave that with you

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asciilifeform has yet to meet a p2p derpatronics experimented from '95-'05 era who -didn't- have own secret pseudo-bitcoin at the time

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to dwell on

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this is the difference between invention and daydreaming, something my mother explained to me when i was like 6

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*experimenter

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and i wanted to know if when someone invents something, they have to also say how it's to be made

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Well Bitcoin used a lot of elements and ideas from the digital collectibles, so I think there is some continutity, but it's very innovative too.

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asciilifeform you mean then, or now ?

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then.

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DanielKrawisz zero elements. i challenge you, list one such

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and in very dire cases - now

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asciilifeform bs.

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Ok Dimsler

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<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler << americans used to. huey p. long was supposed to be 'original hitler' << Long himself had a prototype in William Jennings Bryant

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i thought chaplin was the original hitler?

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i dunno what huey long is supposed to be other than a sort of us peron.

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mircea_popescu: mr mold fessed up to having had something in that vein. and at one point i did. (neither very interesting)

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moustache and all

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asciilifeform what;'s the meaning of "in that vein" ?

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because in 1985 i had something "in the vein" of the ipad.

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mircea_popescu: attempt at solving basic problem of the 'martian bank'

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needless to say... i'm no twinkletwerps.

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!s martian bank

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0 results for 'martian bank' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=martian+bank

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attempt ? orly ?

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hm

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!s lunar bank

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0 results for 'lunar bank' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lunar+bank

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well done. you know who else ? some guy at the time of the invention of the wheel

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damn

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attempts are no qualification. i attempted to prove fermat's theorem, too

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i could probably argue that humanity would be far better off if they hadn't invented the wheel

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that was precisely the kind of thing meant.

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does not mean i had something in the vein of the complex set theory that eventualy did it.

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probably even happier too

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just observing that a mathematically-inclined boy is of course going to try to prove flt.

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sure.

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o also, i attempted to bring a dead girl back.

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which i guess makes me something in the vein of jesus ?

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hey thats possible now

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how dead ?

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i heard 16hrs after the heart stops beating

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if you cool down the body

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Dimsler not after her blood's sorted by weight

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asciilifeform ^ that dead.

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lol

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parachute didn't open ?

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long story.

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asciilifeform would probably enjoy this story

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when we're in prison, if we end up in the same cell, gladly.

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You can read my paper when it's done.

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lol

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DanielKrawisz link it here, someone prolly will.

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DanielKrawisz, are you on here via mobile device?

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No, why?

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nothing just wondering

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cause he doesn't understand how ip allocation works.

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lol no?

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could easily be on wifi

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Dimsler seen a lot of mobile devices on times warner cable ?

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he could have a router at home, and talking on his ipad

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sure.

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he was capitalizing each fresh sentence

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hence why i asked

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That's just good interneting!

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!up DanielKrawisz_

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Oh dang it.

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Well I guess I'll have to complete the process later.

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DanielKrawisz_ you know this julia turianski chick ?

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Never heard of her.

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lol

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surprise surprise

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a ok.

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http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-krawisz/21/bb1/323 << you know that's like, the worst cv i ever saw on linkedin btw ?

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Oh, she did 26 ways to be a bitcoin hater?

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Yeah, that was pretty funny.

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What's wrong with my linkedin cv?

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fellow canuckian, thinks she knows everybody.

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no hes texan

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hes just behind his colo now

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o you gotta be kidding me. videogame developer 2012-2012, "research director" at nowhere, 2014-onwards ?

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dja have any idea how that looks to business eyes ?

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No, I've never done any business.

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yeah um is that a paid position?

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none of these look like paid anything

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I teach bitcoiners about the implications of Bitcoin so as to alter their behavior in a way that improves the overall health of the Bitcoin network.

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lol can you teach us?

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i thirst for knowledge about how to keep my monies healthy

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Are you just trying to get in an argument with me or something?

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which one of us ?

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Dimsler, sorry.

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i think he's just being jadedly nihilistic.

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Oh ok. Well good for him.

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meh, that thing's like humour. works a lot better if unexpected.

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hey i'd burn everything

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down to the ground

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-M4WXov2lM

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Down to the gwound - YouTube

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fucking on a pile of ash is unconducive.

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DanielKrawisz_ anyway, get into wot so i can rate you so you can selfvoice

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DanielKrawisz_: I'm kinda serious, how do you make money 'researching bitcoin'? people gotta eat right?

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DanielKrawisz_, you have been an academic for 15yrs?

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01079964 = 0.54 BTC [-] {3}

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decimation unless he's married, he doesn't actually have to ever work in the us. you know this, right ?

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i'm not sure if some of these articles contain the eloquence of someone with a masters in physics

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"Alternative Rights Colin Liddell Attacks Andrew Anglin for Defending Robert Ransdell Against RamZPaul 332 comments"

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holy shit on a stick, 4 people i never heard of ?! and likely nobody has ?

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incredible.

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;;eregester DanielKrawisz 26AB 6711 E032 5283 DBC0 C8BA 101B BC10 F86C 4A64

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Error: "eregester" is not a valid command.

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ah you mean the sabu route

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;;eregister DanielKrawisz 26AB 6711 E032 5283 DBC0 C8BA 101B BC10 F86C 4A64

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Error: '26AB' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

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"If Kentuckians write-in Robert Ransdell as their choice for Senator in the 2014 election they will support my plan to fix America by pursuing the ..." bla bla bla. write-in candidates for kentucky elections ?! holy shit, it's almost as if... i dunno, my similes fail me. i don't have something for this nonsense.

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DanielKrawisz_, can you privately message gribble instead?

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Dimsler let him be, this way we can help him debug

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you can /query gribble

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DanielKrawisz_ eregIster

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and no spaces.

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Yeah, I spelled it wrong.

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no spaces in key

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k

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;;eregister DanielKrawisz 101BBC10F86C4A64

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Request successful for user DanielKrawisz, hostmask DanielKrawisz_!~quassel@184.75.223.42. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/101BBC10F86C4A64

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Robert Ransdell is running for U.S. Senate in Kentucky with the campaign slogan 'With Jews We Lose.'

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o.O

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LOL

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fuck

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check out the mfas : http://www.cincinnati.com/ http://www.courier-journal.com/ etc

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Cincinnati Enquirer

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Louisville News, Sports, Business | The Courier-Journal

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i can't read american publications

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literary filth at best

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http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/florence/2014/09/26/bagelman-bites-back-at-anti-semitic-candidate/16283169/ << total fucking lol of all time.

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Bagelman bites back at anti-semitic candidate

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"I wanted to reach out to the community," said Marx, who is Catholic. "We had an over-run of challah for the New Year, and we gave them away." << lmao.

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such smallness. i had no idea there's so much tiny at hand.

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middle america is routinely mocked by the elites on the coasts

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apparently it's being mocked by the elites abroad, too.

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and by reasonable people the world over

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but seriously, this derp can't stand for middle anything.

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he's a derp, no doubt, highlighted by the local lefties

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kulaks gotta be dekulaked and all

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the most he could stand for would be perhaps a brand of goth from one particular hs. they were doing hitler that year.

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you guys see the irony here right?

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his last name is marx

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"He's a very bad person," said Heidi Beirich, director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which tracks hate groups. << actually, heidi is the bad person here.

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'nazi' crap is a particular chumpatron that the dumb stumble into

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might as well label themselves "I am a kulak, crush my shit"

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Ok, I got in.

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;;ident DanielKrawisz_

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CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'DanielKrawisz_', with hostmask 'DanielKrawisz_!~quassel@184.75.223.42', is identified as user 'DanielKrawisz', with GPG key id 101BBC10F86C4A64, key fingerprint 26AB6711E0325283DBC0C8BA101BBC10F86C4A64, and bitcoin address None

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she thinks that her job is to help 'disadvantaged' people but her actual job is to maintain the "no enemies to the left" chumpatron

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;;rate DanielKrawisz_ 1 The intersection of the set of people who spent their entire life in academia and the set of people who've not said infuriatingly stupid things about Bitcoin consists so far of one guy.

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Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

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eh get out.

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Thanks.

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DanielKrawisz_: it didn't work

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;;rate DanielKrawisz_ 1 The intersection of the set of people who spent their entire life in academia and the set of people who've not said infuriatingly stupid things about Bitcoin consists so far of one guy.

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Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

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;;ident DanielKrawisz_

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CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'DanielKrawisz_', with hostmask 'DanielKrawisz_!~quassel@184.75.223.42', is identified as user 'DanielKrawisz', with GPG key id 101BBC10F86C4A64, key fingerprint 26AB6711E0325283DBC0C8BA101BBC10F86C4A64, and bitcoin address None

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hes not in

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;;rate DanielKrawisz 1 The intersection of the set of people who spent their entire life in academia and the set of people who've not said infuriatingly stupid things about Bitcoin consists so far of one guy.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.

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That's quite a complement.

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DanielKrawisz_ in the future you auth with gribble and pm assbot !up

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I got logged off so now I have an underscore at the end of my name.

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./nick

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DanielKrawisz_ i infuriate easily.

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yeah that's an irc thing

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but hes also easily amused!

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i have all the requisite qualities of senile dementia

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now i just gotta meet the age qual.

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too much flouride in the drinking water

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not here.

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ohhh

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how are you liking argentina?

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they can;'t afford fluoride so they have to rub wooden sticks together

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i love argentina

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o which reminds me i was going to post some pics

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fuck thats exactly where i belong

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Originally I was going to be a physics professor but there are a lot of things about professional physics academics that are a lot less fun than the physics, so I dropped out.

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i gotta pack my shit down there

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DanielKrawisz_, so you started studying economics?

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DanielKrawisz_ originally i was going to be a physicist.

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but i actually had more sense than that at about 16.

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lol

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DanielKrawisz_: the general feeling here is that academia in the us is a bureaucracy that has little to do with actually advancing human knowledge/technology

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lawyer here

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Cool.

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Dimsler orly ? what do you practice ?

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oh nothing now

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what did you practice.

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nothing we were talking about schooling

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that's not a lawyer now is it.

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Yeah, academics is a leisure activity, and there's kind of a conflict when it becomes professional.

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no way left lawschool

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now i spend my days spinning in a chair really

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if a girl did that they'd call her a slut.

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see

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actually i left law school to program algorhythms for automated trading systems

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well, there's certainly a conflict of interest between "researching physics" and "maintaining a career in physics"

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msg assbot !up

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to up yourlse

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decimation myeah, actual science is for rich people, not for clerks.

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just like BA studies are

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people who hope to make their living at science can not be considered scientists. that should be the first crtierion on the peer review process. "independently wealthy ?" if no, can not participate in science.

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with nice hand-blown instruments in brass cases!

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this seems obvious enough with say, love. people who hope to earn a living at it can't really make very good lovers.

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mainly because they have the 'free time' that asciilifeform desires

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yet somehow when it leaves that realm everyone's suddenly confused.

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probably the same thing with medicine too

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with the independent professions it becomes more iffy. doctors and lawyers earned their keep doing the job for centuries without ill effect.

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medicine is such nigger work

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for just as long as they depended for pay on their own customers.

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plenty scientists have done so on sufferance of the local lord, no reason why they couldn't do it on sufferance of the government

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once they started being paid by corporations / the state, it all went to shit.

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i don't know a single non-american doctor who isn't miserable

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bounce name one.

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Dimsler i know plenty.

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as the link I put up yesterday explained, most doctors did more to hurt than heal before 1900, the 'talented amateur' was the local nurse lady who would try to keep you comfortable

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pfft. too early to do the research.

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bounce then allow me to use this opportunity to expose before your eyes your own automatism.

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what other places is it operant ?

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problem with being a scientifist in todays modern age is you aren't working from home

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you're stuck in academia

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decimation dubious theory, but anyway.

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very dubious

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generally the problem is that people ascribe the benefits of santiation to medicine. this is false.

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actual doctors today are about as hacky/harmful as they were cca 1714.

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correct

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mostly because the problem they face is so complex.

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speaking of dr, that coffee was a big hit, thanks for the suggestion MP

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yeah I would say that's probably true in most cases

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Duffer1 cheers.

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which coffee?

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until someone can give an engineering-level account of the human body and all its processes, it's gonna stay that way

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nurse gifts, 3lbs of primo coffee per shift

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and for dr

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decimation you can appreciate the shittyness of it, right ? suppose you were given the task of fixing code you may not read running on a one of a kind processor you don't even have the spec for.

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and then blamed you for the results, but praised "nature" for the success.

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yeah, it's a delicate microstructure and your tools are basically 'hammer' and 'sledge'

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well i mean todays operations are much much cleaner

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OR you could pour yogurt over it and see

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THREE!!! three choices!

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problem of definitions.

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'doctor' is - cleanup crew.

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aren;t they all.

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example. say room-temperature supercons appear.

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then everyone with some money can scan himself when he wakes up, right after toilet, for malignant growths.

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say +10 lifespan, whatever. who gets credit?

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doctors? nope

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similar to sanitation example.

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asciilifeform: the scanner would have to see down the molecules to determine malignancy in-situ

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i doubt malignancies are the main problem. i think the main problem of medicine today is still metabolism

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mirroring exactly the situation in the times of mr h.

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decimation: not necessarily. just monitor for out-of-place masses, would go a long way.

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consider, elsewhere:

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three thousand years and uncountable changes in everything later.

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firemen get (and deserve) no credit for the relative incombustibility of modern dwellings compared to those of the past.

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lol the past?

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you mean like

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concrete?

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pre-concrete

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actually... i think us houses are the most combustible things ever in the history of dwellings.

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there was firemen pre-concrete?

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(if you must, old japan vs. current)

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Dimsler firemen have as much history as the french.

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yeah like the combustable house and obsession with firemen is a north american thing

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well, loads of bureaucrats have been harassing people to spray various dubious fireproofing chemicals on everything

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Dimsler: nope. in japan, far greater obsession even.

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yeah but in japan they have cause.

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yeah i know

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paper houses. just like present-day usa.

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poor countries are much alike.

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problem i nthe usa isn't as much the per se combustibility, more like, all the evil shit sandwiched in there

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fumes will kill you before the fire even warms you a little

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so canucky in here

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asciilifeform is reminded to buy current gas mask canisters

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yeah modern us house is basically sawdust mixed with various kinds of glue

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pete_dushenski you know if you first join as d.shawcable.net the entire cloak thing loses its point

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LOL

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so newton, leibniz, van leeuwenhoek all held convenient government positions. not quite getting paid for science directly, but not quite independently wealthy either

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bounce lord newton ?

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you have got to be kidding me, srsly.

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'government' was quite a different thing then though

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that's your "not independently wealthy" example ?!

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a wealthy lord with a de jure mp seat ?

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'independent' here just means you're funded via something other than science-as-day-job

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not necessarily mega-empire

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if i understand.

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just add lavoisier to the list and we can call it a day eh.

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ie they didn't have to worry about food & basic human needs

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or fourier

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decimation more on point : they could tell the sovereign to get fucked

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and on occasion actually did.

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http://qntra.net/2014/10/darkcoin-value-drops-while-going-open-source/

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Darkcoin: Value Drops while going Open Source

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i would very much like to see current day "scientist" telling obama to get the fuck lost.

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``Newton moved to London to take up the post of warden of the Royal Mint in 1696, a position that he had obtained through the patronage of Charles Montagu, 1st Earl of Halifax, then Chancellor of the Exchequer.''

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anyone recall greenspun's retelling of whatever imperial visit ?

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but i thought obama was there leader?

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pu yi?

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they exist, but there are at least 10 layers of fat bureaucrats between obama and the truth-knowers

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btw, since he got mentioned : newton ended up the author of the gold standard in the western world.

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he wrote some report, people took it seriously

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the pyx!

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"the hlls are tall an the emperor is far away"

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(beautifully portrayed in n. stephenson's 'baroque cycle' epic.)

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http://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/history-of-the-trial-of-the-pyx

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History of the Trial of the Pyx | The Royal Mint

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the clerks in the bank of england thought they could use 'one weird trick' to materialize gold from thin air

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decimation> the clerks in the bank of england thought they could use 'one weird trick' to materialize gold from thin air << To the extend Geography poses a challenge to verification they could pretend

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one problem being that once the sovereign decides that insolvency is the new solvent it gives leave for everyone else to do so, especially using the king's scrip

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mircea_popescu: v. good point about the shaw thing. i'm logging on from a different comp and i don't quite have the flow sorted on this one.

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insolvency is the new solvent << hunger is the new delicacy. and then let's all make backyard steel.

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mircea_popescu: is it me or is pete_d on a roll ? << and i think it's just you :D

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lol

01:14

this 'trial of the pyx' is hilarious

01:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17598 @ 0.00074125 = 13.0445 BTC [-] {2}

01:14

asciilifeform "whoredom is the new chastity". see, this one works.

01:14

the key is to stick to the human, rather than the real.

01:14

surely serious men must find it extremely silly to sit around and pretend that nickel coated zinc is worth a shit

01:14

uh

01:14

lol

01:15

vs a string of numbers?

01:15

its worth what you choose it to be worth

01:15

'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose

01:15

it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '

01:15

(re: stick to the human)

01:17

strp: no thanks, thickasthieves. I don't have to justify talking with anyone else I talk with. << classic wilyotp (walk in like you own the place). gotta love the endless supply of such thinking.

01:17

pete_dushenski_ it's mostly recycled.

01:17

endless supply << it's the same hero, with at least 5 names

01:17

it works for him because he understands physics like a high schooler except 300 years ago

01:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074248 = 12.8449 BTC [+]

01:18

lmao

01:18

i didn't know decimation could bite.

01:19

i have my moments

01:20

asciilifeform i propose my objection is better grounded than that.

01:20

assbot: Farrakhan claims Ebola invented to kill off blacks | Fox News << i always thought that was aids' job...

01:20

specifically : when dealing with an item, trying harder is for when things work, and trying something else when things don't work.

01:20

when dealing with a woman... apparently, the opposite!

01:21

such irrational creatures

01:21

no u.

01:21

lol

01:21

me too

01:23

http://qntra.net/2014/10/keeping-bitcoin-is-a-hard-problem/ << o look at that ?!

01:23

Keeping Bitcoin is a Hard Problem

01:23

is this the cazalla-BingoBoingo adventure ?

01:23

mircea_popescu: It is indeed

01:24

don't go all lyrical & philosophical on people now. you got oyur blogs for that. stick to facts and practice good journalism

01:24

to inform and enlighten!

01:25

Noted

01:25

you know what orwell missed was that you didn't really need "Big Brother" to convince everyone that the digits/zinc is worth anything - you just need 'the people' to have a 'stake' in the success of the graft and they will 'big brother' themselves

01:25

a murder of crows

01:26

there is no such thing as "the people" any more than there are "women" or "blacks" or "jews" or "strippers" or "sluts" or "coeds" or so forth

01:26

fucking jews

01:26

it's fun, if you get the right ones.

01:28

so why does english have different names for groups of animals and then specify the animal anyway?

01:29

a sedge o' bitterns ; a sounder o' boar ; a blush o' boys ; a bellowing o' bullfinches ; a draught o' butlers.

01:29

because english is an aweful language

01:29

its a bastardization of germanic latin and french

01:29

bounce because venery.

01:29

you familiar with the ever elusive snipe ?

01:29

mmm snipe

01:30

tried to hunt it by myself once, no dice.

01:31

thats the joke

01:31

right. for many years men gathered together, trying with their humble powers to implement as much of a bitcoin-assets as possible.

01:31

you can never catch one

01:31

not much was possible throughout much of that history, but the idea still nevertheless recognisably remains.

01:32

where and how might one expect to meet 'draught o' butlers' !? what's next, 'a slurp of supernovae' ?

01:32

asciilifeform conceivably supernovae would be more like a cough than a slurp

01:32

you mean a slurp o' black holes ?

01:32

'a clutter of cunts' ?

01:32

oh thats a funny one

01:32

n o, that's a smatter.

01:33

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asciilifeform not pro

01:33

no i think its a clutter

01:33

as in, o honey, 'sthematter ?

01:33

"her tits aren't really that much bigger, it's the light."

01:34

'a bounce of tits'

01:34

hear hear

01:34

'a tiling of tits'

01:35

hm, also.

01:35

why is the boob forever cursed with ambigous multinominity ?

01:35

student exercise; tile the plane with...

01:35

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-incredulous-photographer-and-the-subjects-of-his-incredulity/

01:35

asciilifeform you know i famously proposed this once ?

01:35

lemme tell you all about it!

01:35

!?

01:35

before womanly assembly i took my magisterial pose

01:35

that suits me so

01:36

and proceeded to proclaim that perhaps the best example of society marginalising women known to anthropology is

01:36

that no natural measurement of length works as the distance between the nipples

01:36

and yet, if you think of it, there should! they're like natural calipers.

01:36

took them a good five minutes to figure out the whole thing;s a snipe.

01:37

a bit wobbly as a ruler don't you think?

01:37

plus they vary a lot by measurer.

01:37

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01:37

plus... you know... who wants to put her nipple on random tihngs.

01:37

etc.

01:38

mircea_popescu: the chap on the bike had grinding wheel ?

01:38

asciilifeform yup

01:38

mircea_popescu: we had these.

01:38

THAT is sustainability, the real kind.

01:38

think he'll ever starve ? i don't.

01:38

it would demean women to treat them as objects to measure, rather than measure as objects

01:39

decimation you know what an inch originally was right ? or a foot

01:39

the real neato is that: that bike converts.

01:39

for quick getaway. to normal bike.

01:39

(look at rear wheel & the pulley scheme)

01:39

or for that matter the latin excloppus

01:39

asciilifeform yup

01:40

I thought it was related to the pace?

01:40

the foot anyway

01:40

yeah. and the inch to the hand.

01:41

asciilifeform: I have one of those folding bikes, it is pretty compact (but heavy and ungainly) when folded

01:41

(thumb knuckle to tip)

01:42

phun phact. old russian unit of measure, 'вершок' (vershok) ~= 'lengthling' - approximately was equal to length of upper half of index finger. and it lives today! in every server room. last imperial вершок is precisely 1U of cabinet.

01:43

heh interesting

01:44

asciilifeform in romanian, vershook, fershtook = fubar.

01:44

i guess it means "a russian guy measured this, throw it away"

01:45

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asciilifeform measured own finger, correct to 1% !

01:45

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asciilifeform throws away finger. it stays attached.

01:45

lol

01:46

I suspect rack units acquired their height from the ability to reach into that space with a hand

01:46

decimation likely yah

01:46

decimation: yes.

01:46

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asciilifeform can always tell who did a tour of duty as a sysop in this, among other, ways.

01:47

yeah, one learns that it's best to wear 'mechanics gloves' while handling sharp metal boxes

01:47

pediwiki: The term relay rack appeared first in the world of telephony.[2] By 1911, the term was also being used in railroad signaling.[3] There is little evidence that the dimensions of these early racks were standardized. The 19-inch rack format with rack-units of 1.75 inches and holes tapped for 12-24 screws with alternating spacings of 1.25 inches and 0.5 inch was an established standard by 1934.[4] The EIA standard was revised

01:47

again in 1992 to comply with the 1988 public law 100-418, setting the standard U as 44.5mm (15.9mm + 15.9mm + 12.7mm), making each "U" officially 1.752 inches.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19-inch_rack

01:48

apparently it's 1.75 + 2 mil - probably to fit the shelving

01:50

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00074109 = 4.3724 BTC [-]

01:54

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Spider_and_fly_April_2008-6.jpg <<< check out the nature porn.

01:54

kakobrekla: ever used topre ? << great! nao i kinda want one.

01:54

psycho fly guy got a pretty sweet setup there. one date only.

01:54

mircea_popescu: that's one sneaky spider.

01:55

"don't worry about not being on the pill, honey. i got a yellow contraceptor."

01:55

that fly's a semi-necro. maybe that's only half-weird.

01:56

maybe the poison makes the contractions better.

01:57

probably less pulsing and more just one looooong squeeeeeeze.

01:57

who's to know.

01:57

mircea_popescu: just landed on http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ and noticed that it could use an update vis-a-vis "bitcoinpete" being retired as such

01:57

People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:57

a yes.

01:58

could also use the addition of hanbot?

01:59

and turkish toilets are still a thing, last i checked... in tokyo.

01:59

i never been to tokio

02:01

aha! so you haven't been everywhere...

02:02

done!

02:02

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pete_dushenski_ wonders what other corners of the world he's explored that mircea_popescu hasn't.

02:02

i've ne ver been to canada either

02:02

well, briefly, out of nh, but anyway

02:03

mircea_popescu: thx for updating!

02:03

ok, so canada is 1. have you been to other parts of japan?

02:04

other parts of japan other than canada ?

02:04

well, let's stick with countries

02:04

1. canada

02:04

2. japan?

02:05

my forays into asia have been limited to crossing the bosphorus.

02:06

a ok. so we can add 2. japan, 3. china, 4. hk, 5. vietnam, 6. thailand, 7. s. korea :)

02:07

8. singapore.

02:07

i imagine i don't have any parts of europe to add to that list.

02:08

and the famous pyramid-horse pic says you've been to egypt.

02:08

i've been pretty much everywhere the empire ever went.

02:09

which means you can add all of the black africa too

02:09

being the roman?

02:09

have you been to israel?

02:09

well yeah

02:12

in south america i've been to colombia and brazil. also visited most of central america, mexico, and a solid chunk of the caribbean islands.

02:12

but... never lived anywhere else.

02:12

yeah, i tend to do more intensive sort of travels.

02:13

"2. We improve the economy by attacking without mercy the concept of globalism, eliminating all foreign aid to non-White third world nations, all nations controlled by Zionist interests, and first and foremost eliminate all aid to Israel, also end all domestic aid and handouts to non-Whites, and finally disband and dissolve the Jewish-run Federal Reserve and overhaul the American stock market and the way that has worke

02:13

d for decades."

02:13

dude the policy ideas of homebrew candidates are fabulous.

02:14

"We eliminate the Muslim terror threat by first eliminating all support for Israel and then by additionally deporting all Muslims out of the American nation back to the Arab world."

02:14

that's gotta work :

02:14

:D

02:14

maybe they should just make an ebola to target moslems?

02:14

well, it would be cheaper for the us to simply ban pakistani immigration rather than try to be omniscient w.r.t. pakistani terrorism and so forth

02:15

it'd be more cost-effective!

02:15

decimation why do you suppose banning immigration does anything ?

02:15

well, I would ban all forms of border crossing

02:15

on what border ?

02:15

from selected states

02:16

heh good point

02:16

you could directly experiment with this idea. you could draw a line in your room, and ban all crossings of that line. see if it does anything for any variable you wish to measure.

02:16

i imagine at best it'd to nothing perceptible, if you choose the line well.

02:17

but otherwise it can become a major pain.

02:17

this problem largely solved itself in the past when only somebodies could afford to travel

02:17

what problem tho ?

02:18

well, I guess I buy into the idea that a nation and an genetic group are closely related

02:18

mircea_popescu: please to update blog link to -otc rating to http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pete_dushenski&sign=ANY&type=RECV :)

02:18

Rating Details for User 'pete_dushenski'

02:18

decimation only if thegy wish to be.

02:18

do you suppose any marriage can be improved by confining the woman ?

02:19

pete_dushenski_ i like that you give good error reports.

02:19

done.

02:19

mircea_popescu: gotta be clear about what ya want, neh?

02:19

yeh.

02:20

unlike mr. codenowaskfor1200permonthlater

02:20

haha

02:21

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02:21

mircea_popescu: and i also like that you linked "contravex" directly to the troll article rather than the homepage. i take that as a seal o' approval :)

02:23

for some reason i prefer to link articles.

02:24

at any rate I'm sure that these hick canidates will be promoted so that their hatred can become a shared experience for their political enemies

02:25

guy doesn't seem motivated by anything but the usual driver of reality show attendants.

02:25

that ain't hate.

02:26

and for that matter, people tend to flatter themselves with that word a lot. an ability to hate is strictly realted to spending time in conditions not available to the average english speaking derp.

02:26

much like love ain't available to the same populace.

02:27

My language was imprecise: I meant that that he would be the object of common hatred

02:27

or at least common derision

02:28

i doubt he's all that stable. he doesn't look it in any case.

02:28

"Mayo noted that Frazier Glenn Miller, who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups, ran for the U.S. Senate in Missouri in 2010. He was charged this year in the shooting deaths of a 14-year-old boy and his grandfather outside an Overland Park, Kan., Jewish community center."

02:28

lol these obnoxious pests.

02:29

im sure there's no libtard that ever killed anyone. o.O

02:29

heh when a libtard kills someone it's just because he's crazy, not for any political reason

02:30

well... there's a lot of merit in that. how else could his alleged "political" oppinions be explained.

02:31

I guess my point is that the media likes to trump up the crazy nazi kkk guy when there were 415 murders in chicago last year

02:32

d0000d

02:32

and 33,561 traffic deaths (in the us)

02:32

if it makes you feel any better, the media does the same here. there were i dunno, like five murders in a 20mn pop town.

02:32

that's what, 5x la

02:33

if the average us guy even knows where south america is, he perceives the cities as basically gigantic barrios with constant death

02:34

they are gigantic barrios, but the only constant is fucking.

02:35

reading the wikipedia I'm surprised to find that argentina is basically 80-90% european

02:36

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02:37

why surprised ?

02:38

lulzy promoted tweet: https://twitter.com/RelayRides/status/517483681695272960

02:38

Peer-to-peer car rentals. Unbeatable selection of cars from real people. $1M insurance. https://t.co/vWPVroAMiW

02:39

who wants a car from "Real people" ?

02:39

what's the value add, cumrag ?

02:40

I guess I pictured it as basically peopled by Inca

02:40

but I guess that's more peru

02:40

"cigarettes in ashtray, only half smoked!"

02:40

eh what inca.

02:40

that alleged empire was what, 100k people ?

02:41

also ozzies are sending 8 super hornets to tackle isis. canada's mighty cf-18s can't be far behind nao.

02:41

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-03/abbott-commits-australian-fighter-jets-to-air-strikes-in-iraq.html

02:41

Abbott Commits Australian Fighter Jets to Air Strikes in Iraq - Bloomberg

02:42

lmao

02:42

a 'coalition of the willing' indeed

02:42

is this the same iraq the us just got beat out of, and had to lulzily evacuate their baghdad "embassy" ?

02:42

did i miss a crucial something here ?

02:42

it's like a retard kid who gets told off by his imagined gf, goes away, turns around and starts over

02:43

I imagine that most countries perceive the us as a 300 pound giant with the brains of a 12 year old boy

02:43

can be really dangerous if you line yourself up in his sights, but really easy to manipulate

02:43

decimation: was 300 10 years ago, now 225.

02:44

yeah, something like that. i think they mostly perceive it as a combined fuckhole/shithole/eatery

02:44

there's no doubt that there's a gap between 'strength on paper' and 'actual strength, if actually tested'

02:44

which is kinda perverse.

02:44

and can therefore be subdued by a lean 140 pounder.

02:44

or a 100 lb girl with the right charms

02:44

"i know kung fu" and shit.

02:44

pete_dushenski_ depends where. not for as long as stays safely behind her keyboard.

02:45

or joystick as the case may be

02:45

on the other hand, the romans spent centuries trying to conquer the middle east

02:45

why should the powers of today have it any other way

02:46

the greeks spent two years, and got all the way to indioa

02:47

i have my doubts whether the romans ever were interested in conquest.

02:47

they kept trying to smash the persian empire, which they mostly managed, more or less.

02:47

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02:47

plus allotting conquered lands to very important bureaucrats and so forth

02:48

in the middle east ?

02:48

sure, being governor over there was a stepping stone to power at times

02:50

well being a (military) governor, sure. but generally the patricians held land in latium, then in italia, then in galia n, and then finally in spain, thracia, whatever.

02:50

not really illyricum or asia minor

02:51

yeah my earlier implication about patricians holding estates in syria etc is wrong

02:55

i'm off to the dreamobile! bon soir!

02:55

'night all

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http://bap.ece.cmu.edu/

03:21

BAP: Binary Analysis Platform

03:31

https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/479

03:31

Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/479

03:32

[Even more practical secure logging: Tree-based Seekable Sequential Key Generators]

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03:48

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2408396

03:48

Bitcoin Markets by Christopher Fink, Thomas Johann :: SSRN

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;;gettrust cazalla

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04:07

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04:07

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04:11

Bingo - you making picks for this weekend?

04:15

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2216828-rapid-fire-predicting-college-footballs-biggest-match-ups-in-week-6

04:15

Rapid-Fire Predictions for College Football's Biggest Matchups in Week 6 | Bleacher Report

04:15

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2216102-good-guys-finish-first-the-hugh-freeze-story

04:15

Good Guys Finish 1st: The Hugh Freeze Story | Bleacher Report

04:17

RagnarDanneskjol: I'm debating it. Probably not doing the longshot parlay again.

04:18

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04:19

RagnarDanneskjol: Just going to be hard making picks since Mizzou has a bye week.

04:20

huh. I am following your picks. seem to be pretty decent

04:21

Last year I had... a success rate.

04:22

cool

04:23

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/1/6877355/sec-football-standings-predictions-projection-2014

04:23

Projecting the SEC's 2014 conference race using advanced stats - SBNation.com

04:24

"Let me say that again. The SEC West is the best division in the country and might end up the best division of all time, and Mississippi State might have the best chance of winning it."

04:24

This year as everything has been parlays not much success. Two weeks ago I had a chance at least. Last week I made a suicide slate and attached a point about phantom mining hardware.

04:25

Mississippi State is indeed scary this year.

04:25

oh yea. phantom hardware? - I missed that

04:25

Oh gaw?

04:26

Yeah

04:26

ok saw that

04:29

I mean last week I put Illinois over Nebraska.

04:29

ahh

04:30

Mizzou scares in that after the way the SEC championship game ended last year they still have no defense against the ground game.

04:32

i forget, were runs getting through the D line or is breakdown in the backfield.. or both

04:33

RagnarDanneskjol: Both. The Runningbacks almost always find a way around the line if they have any speed and in the backfield the people with speed to catch up to them lack the mass to take them down efficiently

04:34

yea, thats a problem hard to fix

04:34

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/eye-on-the-tigers/countdown-to-camp-mizzou-linebackers/article_f078a225-8d72-52c1-9e22-ab6ac6ced060.html

04:34

Countdown to Camp: Mizzou linebackers : Sports

04:37

I'd still bet on Mizzou over the StL Rams though.

04:39

Ha. Rams are a lost cause huh.

04:39

Oh I see they won a game

04:41

against the bucs - lel

04:41

Yeah. I can't wait until they leave

04:42

Most people I know in the area have similar feeling.

04:42

s

04:43

hmm

04:48

The Rams really want a new stadium, but... hard to justify that when no one watches them.

04:51

heh. lowest valued team in the league - http://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/#page:4_sort:0_direction:asc_search:

04:51

The Business Of Football - Forbes

04:53

Well, considering the other two pro sports team in town... win...

04:53

yea

04:54

Then there's the problem with it being miserable to watch a winning game there

04:55

why's that

04:56

New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/03/collaborations/

04:57

The Rams don't seem to have any people with experience running events working on the fan experience of being at the stadium

04:57

i see

04:58

fukin Ezra Klien. ugh

04:58

Yeah

04:58

has to be one of the worst people alive

05:10

fluffypony

literally Hitler?

05:12

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/517672630317752320

05:12

KARL MARXIO BROS! http://t.co/iu0epW902z

05:12

Hitler no longer passes the alive test

05:14

fluffypony

point

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http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/3/6897065/oregon-arizona-game-recap-results-2014

06:07

Arizona vs. Oregon final score: 3 things we learned from Zona's 31-24 stunner - SBNation.com

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;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good handicapper - knows how to pick 'em

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New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/australian-university-start-up-school-to-accept-bitcoin/

06:18

snooz

06:21

RagnarDanneskjol: I'm going to have to give games a thought when I wake up. As much as Purdue sucks though... Illinois just might suck even more.

06:22

ha. good deal

06:22

Illinois probably wins it, but I don't think decmal odds of 3.9 for Purdue are a bad value if you want a longshot.

06:23

cool. I'm always interested to see what data informs your picks

06:25

Well, I generally look for underdogs priced too generously. As an example there is no spread or odds that would make me think of Picking Kansas over West Fucking Virginia

06:26

Not the week after they fired their coach

06:26

hah. ok

06:27

Also as coole as an Ole Miss upset over Bama would be... It's getting talked up so much Bama moneyline might be the better value

06:28

!up only

06:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62530 @ 0.0007433 = 46.4785 BTC [+] {2}

06:29

yea. that ain't gonna happen

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06:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7770 @ 0.0007481 = 5.8127 BTC [+]

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07:11

http://straight.romansnitko.com/1yeardevplan.html

07:11

Straight: an opensource Bitcoin payment gateway

07:12

"Monthly YouTube reviews of each release"

07:20

"Fundraiser target is 200 BTC" - better get some hot coeds, scantily clad to do those videos

07:22

speaking ov http://coed.com/2014/10/01/the-60-best-natural-breasts-of-2014-for-breast-cancer-awareness-month-photos/

07:22

The 60 Best Natural Breasts of 2014 For Breast Cancer Awareness Month [PHOTOS]

07:24

i see 120 breasts

07:24

I don't see any

07:24

what is this sfw-assets

07:26

hah

07:27

"About me: I'm a software developer with 10 years of experience in web. Take a look at my resume" <- and he means 10 years of experience with HTML/CSS, 6 years of ruby

07:31

X years experience with web (or other non-specific) is clear indicator that experience being described is bs [and prolly lying about other things too].. resume goes straight to trashbin

07:33

i see this on about 85% of developer CVs in circulation

07:38

TheNewDeal

Eifgth

07:38

TheNewDeal

Eight decades of experience with web!

07:44

i've actually seen shit like this - 15 years iOS development, etc. sometimes I call them up just to troll

07:44

lol

07:48

https://github.com/petertodd/bips/blob/checklocktimeverify/bip-checklocktimeverify.mediawiki#Abstract

07:48

bips/bip-checklocktimeverify.mediawiki at checklocktimeverify petertodd/bips GitHub

07:48

^soft fork

07:48

https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/commit/ab0f54f38e08ee1e50ff72f801680ee84d0f1bf4

07:48

Replace NOP2 with CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY ab0f54f petertodd/bitcoin GitHub

07:50

not too shabby

07:55

I dunno. Do these waiting tx.nlocktime transactions just sit in the mempool for years now?

07:55

that wouldnt work well

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08:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1231806 = 0.6159 BTC [-] {4}

08:19

you habitually read developer CVs?

08:25

its my job

08:25

hr? recruiter?

08:26

yes

08:27

twice even. how nice.

08:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2014#854310

08:27

Logged on 02-10-2014 00:40:23; RagnarDanneskjol: bounce - what's the prollem with recruiters? I always wonder about these devs who are too rich, famous/in demand to even find out how much more $ another company will pay them to be lazy

08:28

bit of an unfair question there.

08:28

i kno

08:28

rather loaded

08:29

not the smartest way to get a useful answer

08:31

guess I wasn't really looking for a useful answer. just being provocative I suppose

08:31

I'll leave you at it then

08:41

http://shrani.si/f/3r/hR/377xBtQx/eurusd-h4.png

08:42

RagnarDanneskjol: many devs respond to a few here and there, but the random sample is typically not enough cash, bizarre stacks, crazy mgmt or {google,yahoo,ms} again instead of anything interesting. a few interactions like this and the dev is poisoned against recruiters forever.

08:46

don't forget the completely dysfunctional and often insane "matching", selecting on completely irrelevant criteria, and obvious, screaming lies by the bucketload.

08:48

ok. this is like having a bad experience with a front desk secretary and holding it against every secretary you ever encounter. Recruiters are just doing the work of sorting and moving candidates through the interview process. How else would you ever get another job? at some point everyone has to deal with a recruiter (or whoever acts as company recruiter/hr generalist) -otherwise st

08:48

ay unemployed

08:49

lies about what?

08:51

the notion that a person must go through a recruiter to get a job is utter nonsense.

08:51

I think you misunderstand what a recruiter is (common misconception)

08:51

how else? by getting pulled in by someone, or by bumping into the (technically savvy) owner of the shop, something like that. the key is to talk to someone who knows about the job, not the "specialist" who doesn't know word from writer.

08:51

they are often generalized as being staffing agencies

08:51

if you're growing a dev team and your devs aren't actively bringing in their friends, you're doing it entirely incorrectly.

08:52

every company over 20 people has a staff recruiter who manages the interview/negotiation process

08:52

IME the staffing agencies that claim to specialise in IT recruiting are possibly worse than generic agencies. claim to know their shit then don't.

08:52

<RagnarDanneskjol> every company over 20 people has a staff recruiter who manages the interview/negotiation process << false.

08:52

yea - you are getting staffing agencies confused w/ recruiters

08:52

in an engineering organization, this is an engineering function for engineering roles.

08:53

so who identifies candidates?

08:54

somebody who knows about the job.

08:54

so the hiring manager does recruitment - bad policy

08:54

anyone receiving emails on the "get in touch with us" inbox

08:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37930 @ 0.00074503 = 28.259 BTC [-]

08:54

what? why?

08:54

so you can shoehorn yourself in?

08:54

Oh so the company only hires candidates who happen to find their open position - bad policy

08:55

guaranteed to have a weak workforce

08:55

pfft. instead of some consultancy throwing out the adverts and pouring their "special sauce" over the incoming applications?

08:55

maybe for bigcorp.

08:56

IMO that's a worse policy, since it muddles the input needlessly

08:56

again - that is a staffing agency - different and I agree they are wasteful

08:56

for companies with reputations for quality, it's not nearly as guaranteed as you claim.

08:56

spamgun, anyone?

08:57

you're also ignoring the "whole team does recruiting" strategy.

08:57

you understand how it makes sense to have someone dedicated to locating the best talent available is bettter than hoping talent finds you?

08:58

does it?

08:58

*

bounce refers to the google study on a related subject

08:58

i don't hope, i plan and execute.

08:58

we identify target hires as a group and then fucking hire them.

08:59

we also chew through contractors, looking for people to hire.

08:59

how do you locate them? its a full time job

08:59

people go to meetups

08:59

developer nights

08:59

ux nights

08:59

design nights

08:59

we host the odd one of the above

08:59

i network my ass off

08:59

so hiring managers put in a bunch of extra overtime to do recruitment

08:59

(in support of sales *and* recruitment)

08:59

instead of having a professional do it

09:00

not overtime

09:00

tis a part of the job, identifying and bringing on collaborators.

09:00

maybe someday i'll outsource leadgen, but i've yet to find anyone to trust with the job because they all sound as full of shit as you.

09:01

how is that?

09:01

finding people who can do sales lead gen is hard enough, how the fuck am i to trust someone whose technical competence i have no notion of to identify people with technical talent?

09:01

you intervieeww them

09:02

typically the interview is aborted by pitches like yours.

09:02

I'm not pitching anyone

09:02

just trying to dispel misconceptions

09:02

HR can take care of the paperwork, and "managing" appointments and such. but building the team is up to the manager, not to the recruiter.

09:02

does the recruiter then interview my team as well?

09:03

ben_vulpes: he must be somewhat good at spotting talent, he hired me ;)

09:03

Azelphur: you stand out.

09:03

debatable *rimshot*

09:03

published libs and such

09:03

*

Azelphur shrugs

09:04

I didn't know putting random crap on github was standing out, but ok o.O

09:04

not really much of an accomplishment.

09:04

you're not hard to find is what i'm saying.

09:04

:)

09:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00074316 = 20.5484 BTC [-] {2}

09:04

what about the first kid he trotted through here?

09:05

how does a manager locate talent? i still don't understand. it is a full-time job sourcing for any given position.. doing a thourough targeted search. unless the job reqs are fairly loose.

09:06

some of the jobs I place only have a few dozen qualified ppl on the planet - they take months to locate

09:06

must be why you want a fancy database of resumes and positions

09:07

??

09:07

i create the db of resumes

09:07

takes lots of hard work

09:11

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2014#745203

09:11

Logged on 05-07-2014 12:39:02; ninjashogun: The second is a services / consulting company in the field of jobs. cf. hired.com

09:12

the defense rests, your honor.

09:16

you lost me ben. not sure its productive to discuss further. I would love to have hiring managers who can do my job for me tho

09:18

ben_vulpes: is a moomoohead

09:20

and btw - I found Azelphur in 2012 before I'd ever heard of mpex / b-a. and do consider him a prize catch

09:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZTYNBtUbNQ

09:20

The KLF - Justified & Ancient (All Bound...) - YouTube

09:20

<3

09:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22835 @ 0.00074244 = 16.9536 BTC [-]

09:32

;;bc,stats

09:32

09:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45336 @ 0.00074587 = 33.8148 BTC [+] {2}

09:43

``Few people of attainments take easily to a plan of self-improvement. Some discover very early their perfection cannot endure the insult. Others find their intellectual pleasure lies in the theory, not the practice. Only a few stubborn ones will blunder on, painfully, out of the luxuriant world of their pretensions into the desert of mortification and reward.'' -- Voss, Patrick White

09:47

bounce: good book?

09:49

ran into a slightly larger quote somewhere; haven't read more than that

10:00

;;ticker

10:00

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 366.19, Best ask: 367.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.75000, Last trade: 366.18, 24 hour volume: 13329.29905806, 24 hour low: 364.75, 24 hour high: 378.91, 24 hour vwap: 375.321220613

10:01

wards of 500, eh?

10:01

wars*

10:03

if diff turns down, it might get worse

10:03

maybe we'll test that 266 after all

10:04

to 100!

10:04

man my conference tickets are looking really cheap all of a sudden

10:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53150 @ 0.00074384 = 39.5351 BTC [-]

10:05

maybe you win the contest

10:06

thickasthieves: what's the formal rule?

10:07

whomever spends the least bitcoin to pay wins

10:07

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/europe-approves-facebooks-19-billion-purchase-of-whatsapp/

10:07

ie whoever locked their ticket in at the highest dollar price

10:08

they didnt already buy it?

10:10

no you see the eu must approve it

10:11

just they must approve usd eur parity

10:11

sale was pending 19 bn eur figure too!

10:12

http://jalopnik.com/top-gear-was-just-forcibly-thrown-out-of-argentina-1642056799

10:12

Top Gear Was Just Forcibly Thrown Out Of Argentina

10:12

http://jalopnik.com/jeremy-clarkson-master-level-troll-trolls-entire-nati-1641630169 << trollz!

10:12

Jeremy Clarkson, Master-Level Troll, Trolls Entire Nation Of Argentina

10:15

lulzy indeed pete_dushenski

10:26

ben_vulpes Today I learned that Python has

10:26

the ability to be embedded in C programs...

10:27

i've embedded in C++ applications, but never straight C.

10:28

https://twitter.com/4Humanity2869/status/518042051569803265 << look who's a racist nao!

10:28

Looks like /JeremyClarkson trolled Argentina: http://t.co/aWbJGURxUo That's why we love him! http://t.co/aqolBI3d1Q

10:30

it's a joke no?

10:30

he's races cars

10:30

:)

10:30

he*

10:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25630 @ 0.0007409 = 18.9893 BTC [-] {2}

10:32

thickasthieves: lmao

10:32

it's a joke on so many levels!

10:34

"

10:34

"US Unemployment rate falls to 5.9% as labor force participation drops to 62.7%, a new 36 year low. Record 92.6 million no longer in labor force"

10:35

but are they on the welfare rolls?

10:35

92.6 mn out of eligible, what, 200 mn?

10:36

meantime, euro 1.250

10:37

no sooner did i leave eurozone than it went kaput.

10:37

no sooner did i leave nyc in 2000 than...

10:38

no sooner did i leave asia in 2002 than… sars

10:38

no sooner did i leave israel in 2000 than… intifadah

10:38

pain and suffering in my wake.

10:38

pls dont go

10:39

kakobrekla: to conference?

10:39

away from here i thought

10:40

o, b-a.

10:40

i guess i can stick around.

10:41

good thing we are decentralized

10:42

good thing twobitidiot and seamonster are still alive. i needed a morning luulz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdSF19foO8E

10:42

Bitcoin Chat LIVE w/ Ryan Selkis (TwoBitIdiot) - David Seaman Hour - YouTube

10:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00074118 = 21.6054 BTC [+]

10:43

why would anyone be interested in Selkis LIVE (or living)?

10:44

only 900 bots/pakistani boys are...

10:45

fuckit i'm in

10:45

cant find the chat box tho

10:46

?

10:47

i thought i'd be able to "join in"

10:47

ask q's or such

10:47

o lol

10:47

but it only lets me "vote for your favorite moment"

10:47

fukn garbage

10:47

the googs hangout was live, yt is recorded

10:47

oh its over

10:47

meh

10:47

Streamed live on 26 Sep 2014

10:48

Why is TwoBitIdiot still a athing?

10:48

pete_dushenski: needs to replace that talking head.

10:48

thestringpuller: the fucktard isn't a thing. that's why he's on seamonster's show

10:49

yknow i'm ok with qntra being all barebones design, but why on god's green earth is it left-aligned?

10:49

but he has a lot of publicity? why? is he getting paid? is he making money from this publicity?

10:49

like why does he exist at all?

10:49

cuz he goxed gox

10:50

it's like fox news for bitcoin :(

10:50

princessnell

hey gang

10:51

hello

10:52

https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/518050750883053568

10:52

Seeing /twobitidiot on /d_seaman https://t.co/JUQoqawB20 is pure lulz, also how you know Ryan's been dead since May: http://t.co/DDZ8kEsL5L

10:52

princessnell: howdy.

10:53

thestringpuller: seamonster can't afford ramen noodles. he ain't paying anyone to be on his derpy little show.

10:53

twobitfucktard is scraping the bottom of the barrel. he's andreas 2.0

10:54

Andreas has a job though no?

10:54

he has many "jobs"

10:54

maybe not a valuable one but a job nevertheless

10:55

neverthemore

11:03

76m customer account info compromised at JPM

11:03

andreas has "jobs" like ryan does: https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/518041814994276352

11:03

I met (and liked) JR when I met him at the /hashtag/bitlicense?src=hash hearings; he should've taken me up on my offer to look at his drafts. /hashtag/halfbaked?src=hash

11:03

offering to freely opine on topics he's unqualified to opine on. and being rejected.

11:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00074068 = 8.3697 BTC [-]

11:09

i thought coinbase or something hired Andreas full time?

11:09

I guess not.

11:10

he was "cto" at blockchain for a bit. then went on a radio silence week-long vacation while they got megahaxxored.

11:10

the girl just got the most mysterious robo call

11:10

so community-minded that guy.

11:11

"hi! this is sue. sorry to have disturbed you. goodbye!"

11:11

I get some robo calls that are silent then go "Goodbye!" and hangup

11:11

dat predictive dialing

11:14

is there a way to be community minded without being a socialist?

11:14

(they "predict" how many calls to send out to get someone to pickup and talk to the agents)

11:14

not trolling or being facetious, but being oriented on the community without giving in mindlessly to the community

11:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39688 @ 0.0007406 = 29.3929 BTC [-] {2}

11:17

those are robocalls making lists of who answers at all

11:17

thaty industry is folding over on itself

11:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00074053 = 13.2185 BTC [-] {2}

11:18

gotcha.

11:18

new topic! bamboo vs soy for biodiesel production?

11:18

algae!

11:20

don't you have to do abhorrent things to their genetics to get them to poop diesel? i'm just talking about rendering the grass/beans into alcohols i think.

11:22

ben_vulpes: used tires, garbage, etc.

11:23

lol o ryan, asking me: "aside from trolling and a sometimes entertaining blog what value do you add to #bitcoin? (Serious question.)"

11:24

ben_vulpes, you don't need to mess with genetics, just use them as biomass, feed into machine

11:26

what was that jewish title someone said you are pete? some kinda documenter or something

11:27

for biodiesel? fish guts.

11:27

oh look they got a whole conference http://www.algalbbb.com/index.html

11:27

Elsevier - Algal Biomass, Biofuels & Bioproducts

11:28

'Studies have shown that some species of algae can produce 60% or more of their dry weight in the form of oil"

11:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.0007404 = 25.877 BTC [-] {2}

11:29

thickasthieves: "one of those numbered guys"

11:30

which, if taken as a recognition of my numeracy rather than my grandparents' ibm tats, is fairly complimentary

11:34

oh i meant a different conversation

11:34

i think mp called you something

11:34

like not a rabbi, but some other word that meant something

11:35

i know i'm being very helpful

11:35

lol

11:36

it may have been in reference to how you dissect/explain things mp blogs about

11:36

;;ident pete_dushenski

11:36

Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None

11:37

;;getrust pete_dushenski

11:37

Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.

11:37

lol

11:37

tt

11:38

36131Pierre_Rochard20pete_dushensk 2014-07-23 15:35:31 2 Amoraim of b-a

11:38

;;ud amoraim

11:38

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=amoraim | trending. marlin vs. mullet Advertisement; poopsterbate · tittybong · lumpatious · bae · pussy · seagull · thug · neknominate · surfboard · sizzurp. categories.

11:38

thats it!

11:38

;;google amoraim

11:38

Amoraim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoraim>; Amoraim - Jewish Virtual Library: <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01018.html>; TANNAIM AND AMORAIM - JewishEncyclopedia.com: <http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14240-tannaim-and-amoraim>

11:38

tell 2bit thats what you are

11:38

fukn steward of the culture

11:38

lolk

11:39

https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/518059306068217857

11:39

Seeing /twobitidiot on /d_seaman https://t.co/JUQoqawB20 is pure lulz, also how you know Ryan's been dead since May: http://t.co/DDZ8kEsL5L

11:40

so i sayz to ethel i sayz: "What value do I add to the sun? What makes you think that anyone can "add value" to something that just… exists?" and y'know what she sayz to me? "ok, that's why you're not worth listening to. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever on any level."

11:40

can you believe that woman?

11:41

she thinks she can add value to the sun

11:41

some people i tellz ya.

11:41

reality bites

11:42

i add value to bitcoin by owning some

11:42

so there

11:42

bitcoin is backed by bagholders

11:42

well, that's how it adds value to you

11:42

;;bc,xau

11:42

1 XAU = 1195.000000000000 USD = 3.2472826087 BTC

11:42

expensive value lately

11:43

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/top-gear/11137879/Jeremy-Clarkson-stoned-as-Top-Gear-crew-abandon-cars-and-flee-Argentina.html

11:43

Jeremy Clarkson 'stoned' as Top Gear crew abandon cars and flee Argentina - Telegraph

11:44

mthreat: see logs ;)

11:44

lmao wtf happened there.

11:44

mircea_popescu: clarkson "trolled" argentinians about the falklands wars

11:44

aaaa hahhhaha

11:44

win.

11:44

had a license plate on his car that read "H982 FLK" or some such.

11:44

possibly best troll ever.

11:45

so who is this guy ?

11:45

host of a tv show about cars.

11:45

on bbc. a journalist with a sense of humour who also knows how to work a camera

11:45

sorta like that cook guy, different color scheme ?

11:45

a "racist"

11:45

obnoxious knowitall sorta talkhead ?

11:45

nah, just a king troll.

11:46

no just a guy who likes fast cars

11:46

or has he trolled in the past too?

11:46

"He added that the numbers 646 on James May's Lotus could be taken as a reference to the 649 Argentinian casualties."

11:46

^ that is pretty weak

11:46

;;google jeremy clarkson trolls mexico

11:46

Jeremy Clarkson, Master-Level Troll, Trolls Entire Nation Of Argentina: <http://jalopnik.com/jeremy-clarkson-master-level-troll-trolls-entire-nati-1641630169>; Actress Wants Top Gear Off The Air Over 'Racist' Joke - Jalopnik: <http://jalopnik.com/actress-wants-top-gear-off-the-air-over-racist-joke-1553626493>; Jeremy Clarkson lays into British as Twitter trolls mock death of his (1 more message)

11:47

they did it in Alabama too. They wrote "Hillary for President", "NASCAR Sucks", and "Man-love rules" on their cars

11:47

and they supposedly got stoned by alabamans

11:47

Personally I think it's all staged, just as the Tesla battery dying incident was staged

11:47

mthreat: lmao so classic.

11:47

but the show is still great to watch, for entertainment

11:50

so turns out the size of teh eligible us labour force is ~243 mn as of 2012

11:50

sounds about right.

11:50

;;calc 92.6/143

11:50

0.647552447552

11:50

and total employees is what, 160mn, if excluding govt 72 mn ?

11:51

and you have 35.25% unemployment

11:51

92.6 mn "not in labour force" atm

11:51

https://es-es.facebook.com/fundaciontrilema <<

11:52

make thing infringing on mp's trademark. have mp notice you in google. mp files complaint with fb, yest. page suspended, today.

11:52

a well.

11:55

"Clarkson, 54, was called before BBC bosses this week after The Mirror newspaper reported he was heard using the word "nigger" as he recited an old version of the rhyme Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe to choose between cars in filming two years ago."

11:56

not in labor force includes retirees, disabled, toddlers?

11:56

thickasthieves not eligible ? yes.

11:56

"The furore comes just days after Top Gear producers apologised for a "light-hearted" joke by Clarkson during filming in Myanmar and Thailand, in which he referred to a "slope" on a bridge as an Asian man crossed a makeshift structure built by the presenters."

11:57

i dun get it ?

11:57

lol ya me neither.

11:57

slope is like nigger for chinks

11:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00074019 = 12.6943 BTC [-]

11:57

who knew?

11:57

wait srsly ?!

11:57

ya

11:57

since when ?

11:57

sloped eyes or something

11:57

i dunno

11:57

*

mircea_popescu feels totally out of the loop

11:57

it's a thing

11:58

Clarkson is a student of racist craft i guess

11:58

dude i don't spend enough time with hicks, trolls and angry ppl.

11:59

;;ud slope

11:59

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slope | Vietnam-era charlie. Any asian resembeling one of the 'reds'.

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11965490 BTC to 15`435 shares, 7254 satoshi per share

11:59

i didn't know "spook" was nigger until i saw that hopkins film, either.

11:59

"It is an acronym for Silly Little Opium Peddling Easterner. "

11:59

lol

12:00

lmao!

12:00

and everyone's so fucking self-important about it, you know ? necessarily you musta known whatever retarded subtext they're familiar with

12:00

because you definitely care as much as they do!!! because you must, because otherwise are you implying they're fucking idiots ?!?

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.31049676 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 27 satoshi per share

12:01

probly more fun to make up racist names than learn them anyway

12:01

yeah, you hoarg

12:01

it's better cause you don't even need to define them, just feed them off the op's insecurities.

12:01

"it just means someone like you"

12:02

"Daughter of Hong Kong leader thanks "taxpayers" for diamonds on Facebook"

12:02

"The necklace on my profile pic is not a dog collar, silly!!!" she said. "This is actually a beautiful necklace bought at Lane Crawford (yes - funded by all you HK taxpayers!! So are all my beautiful shoes and dresses and clutches!! Thank you so much!!!!)".

12:02

Chai Yan hit out at those taunting her saying, "Actually maybe I shouldn't say 'all you'- since most of you here are probably unemployed hence all this time obsessed with bombarding me with messages". She later said, "It's ok, your mother still loves you".

12:02

ok that's good shit right there

12:03

not bad. sex tape ?

12:03

nice

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.06919702 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7029 satoshi per share

12:03

sex tape stars need a racist name

12:04

shplokes

12:04

slope yan leung.

12:12

Film crew reportedly told officers at the first checkpoint they reached after passing through Tolhuin: "We're leaving the cars, we don't want more problems. Burn them if you want but we're getting out of here."

12:12

An Argentinian technician hired for the Top Gear shoot is said to have been injured after a stone thrown by one of the demonstrators hit him in the face.

12:12

i don't get this pussy bs. why not just open fire ?

12:12

what are the veterans going to do, bomb you ?

12:13

here are pics from an Argentine publication:

12:13

http://www.infobae.com/2014/10/03/1599200-la-bbc-provoca-un-escandalo-las-islas-malvinas-argentina

12:13

La BBC provoca un escndalo por las Islas Malvinas en Argentina | Guerra de Malvinas, Malvinas, Islas Malvinas, BBC, Argentina, Bariloche - Amrica

12:13

pics of the stoned cars, broken windows

12:13

that Lotus is classic. I guess they all are but the Lotus is the best ;)

12:13

i wonder how much the k troop paid for this anyway

12:14

mthreat so i don't get it... where is the damage ?

12:14

they just look like dirt racers.

12:14

there are some broken windows at least

12:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 878 @ 0.00074016 = 0.6499 BTC [-] {2}

12:14

dents from rocks may be hard to see in the pics

12:15

;;ud blighter

12:15

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blighter | Perhaps the word is related to "blight", a plant disease that ruins potatoes (as a " blighter" tends to ruin things in which he's involved). The word appears to be ...

12:15

mthreat: ya that lotus is lovely. not that i'd kick the 928 out of bed either, esp. with that plate.

12:15

mthreat yeah but i mean... that's what dirt racing does anyway

12:18

speaking of slang: http://www.portenospanish.com/word/6/malco

12:18

What is Malco in English? - Porteo Spanish

12:19

this seems to describe those "trolled" by clarkson

12:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51962 @ 0.00074109 = 38.5085 BTC [+] {2}

12:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074421 = 7.4421 BTC [+]

12:25

went karting here wednesday, and have the bruises to prove it :)

~ 16 minutes ~

12:41

;;later tell nubbins` http://posters.lardbucket.org/ is this the sorriest thing you ever saw or what

12:41

posters.lardbucket.org

12:41

The operation succeeded.

12:42

;;ticker

12:42

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.41, Best ask: 362.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.58000, Last trade: 361.41, 24 hour volume: 15050.27264188, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.85, 24 hour vwap: 375.330137741

12:43

los_pantalones

thickasthieves here come your 360's

12:43

my body is ready

12:44

only now i thnk 360 is too expensive

12:44

los_pantalones

hahahaha

12:44

los_pantalones

what?

12:47

a round 266 sounds more like it

12:54

lol

12:58

this eulora game engine thing is the hardest thing i ever fcking did.

12:59

it'd harder than mpex. this shit where i write the loot functions... god fucking help me i've never seen a more complex problem.

13:00

Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 57.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 17,804.

13:04

TomServo

mircea_popescu: Do tell. I've always wondered how they worked.

13:04

i am never going to tell.

13:04

huh. bcoinnews is serving up a sack of html as text/plain. no wonder it doesn't render.

13:04

this is the reason the game's even worth playing in the first place. the frigging loot functions.

13:05

int winnar() { return 4; } // ze loot

13:05

eulora is not an eyecandy delivery device like every other mmorpg out there, competing in a saturated market without a bottom.

13:05

eulora is a math delivery device.

13:06

and in point of fact people love nothing more than math. that's the only thing they'll dedicate their lives to.

13:06

just as long as they don't have to interact with it abstractly, of course.

13:06

there's nothing people hate more than abstraction.

13:07

unless ur merican

13:07

nope.

13:07

doesnt meta count as abstraction?

13:07

our only industry is promoting industry

13:08

nothing costs what it costs

13:08

slope refers to the forehead, i belieb

13:08

slant referring to the eyes

13:09

then there's other good stuff, like zipperhead and gook

13:09

you're trying to prove that chinks are like totally math-y?

13:10

zipperhead hailing from 'nam, i think, and as seen in American movies like Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, and Gran Torino

13:14

http://www.rsdb.org/race/asians some good ones ive never heard

13:14

The Racial Slur Database

13:14

;;ud weather eye

13:14

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=weather+eye | weather bug · weather buggin · weather chatting · weathercoat · Weathercock · weathercock logic · weather.com ... weather eye isn't defined. Can you define it?

13:14

dafuq?

13:15

weathercock logic?\

13:16

oh

13:23

i watched a man get savaged outside of a bar last night by a well dressed man

13:23

i thought of mp

13:26

devolution of society

13:26

they should have just had a duel

13:27

i'm told by a reverser i trust that windows 10 is boring from an internal perspective

13:27

must make a microsoft account to use

13:27

no major changes to subsystems, no Windows 8 exploits that he had were patched, nor any of his tricks for bypassing SMEP, SMAP, kernel safe unlinking, low integrity processes, leaking memory/pointers, locking memory without SeLockMemoryPrivilege, leaking PFNs for VAs, changing page protections through non-standard APIs, etc

13:27

boring from all perspectives

13:28

no fundamental changes to userland libraries, heap implementation in ntdll, bypassuac technique still works,

13:28

soon we'll have FREE Windows USBs in the mail

13:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00074655 = 16.2001 BTC [+] {2}

13:32

mats_cd03 why of me?!

13:33

maybe he thinks you're a savage in a suit?

13:33

and internal MSFT rumors suggest that the skip from windows 9 to 10 was due to developers parsing os version strings of 'windows 95/98' badly, e.g. testing for just 'windows 9' in the substring

13:33

hey, i've not killed anyone in at least fifteen years.

13:34

can't spell manslaughter without laughter

13:34

mats_cd03 ahahaha that'd be the lol of all time.

13:34

man's laughter.

13:35

mircea_popescu: well, you did use the phrase 'a man being savaged', and well, being a gangster in your youth. plus, the only images i've seen of you are in suits

13:35

savaged, of course, means this speciffic hunting technique where the preditor opens the abdominal cavity of the prey

13:35

i felt strangely detached from the spectacle of it.

13:36

like, hm, this is happening right now. i'm watching a man die.

13:36

like the african dogs do

13:36

and none of the other clueless chicken heads have any idea what they're seeing.

13:36

guys, stop killing people

13:37

hi

13:38

;;bcstats

13:38

13:38

killing people is wrong mkay

13:38

rutroh

13:38

just a little

13:38

whatever, we do what we want.

13:38

we don't even go to skool

13:38

time to switch miners to ATC

13:38

BTC is dead

13:39

it's not dead until we find a fat lady that can sing.

13:39

there's at least two recruiters floating around here, ought to be able to make 'emselves useful, no?

13:39

mp here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvc1yzohPXI

13:39

Fat Lady Sings Katy Perry ET!!! - YouTube

13:40

now we can +m

13:40

yey

13:40

or +i

13:40

fat lady haz tongue piercing too, for ur plezur

13:40

no dude she's gotta sing wagner

13:41

in a helicopter

13:41

gotterdammerung, something.

13:41

does she not have any teeth?

13:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igAWgaW8eq4 << this thing.

13:41

Gtterdmmerung-Trauermarsch, Richard Wagner, Stockholm Ring, Gregor Bhl conductor - YouTube

13:42

dimsler, theyd just get in the way

13:42

oh she eats like a duck?

13:42

makes sense

13:42

ducks have teeth on their bills

13:42

she eats like a snake

13:42

incisors

13:43

those aren't to chew

13:43

homer eats like a duck http://babysimpson.co.uk/gallery/frames/8/4f19/136.jpg

13:43

more to filter yeah

13:43

looks like they have teeth on the tongue too

13:44

nice duck http://bcibcrypto.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/cid_12fc099866e3453e97a77b0ca943d5a4colourful.jpg

13:44

fucking germanic operahs

13:46

er compositions

13:49

Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 17,721.

13:49

;;ticker

13:49

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.83, Best ask: 363.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 363.37, 24 hour volume: 15326.10273498, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.85, 24 hour vwap: 375.330137741

13:49

it's so not happening lol

13:50

the bid walls just keep getting taken out

13:51

2600 in coins to sell to $350

13:51

woop

13:51

1400coins

13:51

heh

13:52

where are the leechers?

13:52

lol

13:52

61(Y):39(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight << lulziest part

13:52

if i had more cash on bitstamp

13:52

if i had any cash!

13:53

would just leave a roving order hanging

13:54

at least euro is also worthless

13:58

<thickasthieves> yknow i'm ok with qntra being all barebones design, but why on god's green earth is it left-aligned? << As opposed to...

13:58

http://shrani.si/f/25/9q/1Xox0ZQS/fishes.png

13:58

<kakobrekla> at least euro is also worthless << lol keep a stiff upper lip!

13:59

bwahahaha garr the honest person ?

13:59

is this the guy who lied about shil bidding on his own "auction" then being proven to have lied ?

13:59

correct.

14:00

he's strategically not in the wot either, is he ?

14:00

he is but who cares

14:00

;;getturst kakobrekla garr255

14:00

well i do

14:00

Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.

14:00

thrust !

14:00

we need it NAO!

14:00

getturdst ?

14:00

;;gettrust kakobrekla garr255

14:00

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user garr255: Level 1: -5, Level 2: -2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=garr255 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=garr255 | Rated since: Sat Jun 16 15:01:31 2012

14:01

o look, i was the first to negrate him

14:01

bak in 2013

14:01

;;rate garr255 -1 GLBSE scammer, poster child for all the lying & fraudulent behaviour that association would promise.

14:01

Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user garr255 has been recorded.

14:06

but but nefario still owes him 100btc!

14:07

(i suspekt its made up thing)

14:08

the scammer train : all scammers who stil believe can hide in plain sight can conveniently claim that a well known scammer owes them.

14:08

this is what goat claimed re pirate, the whole clutch of them re nefario etc.

14:09

yea, dead horse wont fight back

14:09

mroeover, you know how to generate infinite moneyz ?

14:09

by substracting infinite moneyz from negative value of moneyz.

14:10

also known as the "full faith and credit of the united states government" scam.

14:10

hehe

14:16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZeomwPriDQ

14:16

Chapel Perilous - Along the Way to the Mystery - YouTube

14:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00074416 = 29.3943 BTC [-] {2}

14:30

bingoboingo, centered, cuz most displays are wide these days

14:42

;;ticker

14:42

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.04, Best ask: 363.91, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 362.03, 24 hour volume: 15899.40795613, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 378.78, 24 hour vwap: 375.226857363

14:49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrs0vgRQB5Q korean rapper. not bad.

14:49

Video Dumbfounded - Bubba Kush [Music Video].flv - YouTube

14:51

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/10/03/jessica-williams-continues-her-war-against-catcalls-on-the-daily-show

14:51

Jessica Williams Continues Her War Against Catcalls on ‘The Daily Show’ - Speakeasy - WSJ

15:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00074149 = 43.4142 BTC [-] {3}

~ 21 minutes ~

15:23

thickasthieves: What? People with giant wide displays maximize windows to read text?

15:31

i guess i'm just in the minority

15:35

thickasthieves: Well the design is just to get the thing started. I just don't know of any graceful way to handle the problem of really big monitors.

15:37

center the page

15:38

doesnt even require css ;)

15:38

ol' trusty <center>

15:39

thickasthieves: But that leaves big ole empty wings

15:40

forgot whose study it was, but apparently the easiest to read is about 65 cols referencing fixed-pitch.

15:40

well you prefer your content to be in the wing?

15:40

or both wings on one side?

15:41

and*

15:41

you should do popups complaining that the content is optimised for sane widths and please upgrade your browser and/or your resolution

15:43

I'll raise the issue with cazalla

15:44

bounce may be on to something

15:44

yes and all browsers should be magical automatic display handlers and websites only databases

15:45

Well actually yes browsers should handle the display rather than the site.

15:46

that was the idea, originally. then web"design" happened.

15:46

and all people should be the same

15:46

Websites shouldn't default to violently raping user hardware

15:46

and all emotion removed from all things

15:46

so we can math our lives away

15:46

thickasthieves: No, people get to dress up the websites however the wish

15:46

that is the current assumption: hipster with tablet

15:47

Plenty of ways to do custom CSS with pink and kittens and myspace

15:47

people dont want to dress up websites

15:47

in fact, it rarely happens but could provide multiple layouts for the onlooker to choose

15:48

i understand that a spec for website data would be convenient and provide ease and cleanliness from one perspective

15:48

this about that giant screenshot with two panes on either side and lots of nothing inbetween?

15:48

it's just an impossible ideal for one paradigm

15:49

all computers should use the same hw spec and everyone should program in the same language and use the same db sesign too

15:49

meh. most often all sorts of unwarranted assumptions creep in; web"design" does tent to focus on one thing and massively over-engineers with gratuitous js-reinvention of basic stuff to make it look "nicer"

15:49

I don't think the current super mininum style is going to be a permanent feature on qntra, but... page load times are a thing. Got to plan for people accessing the internet using dialup through a payphone.

15:50

i'm not saying many websites arent ridiculous

15:50

i'm saying both extremes are

15:50

*

punkman remembers the derps trying to do webfonts before we had webfonts

15:51

in this case it might be more useful to not stick one pane on the right and another on the left hand side, but position them relative to each other instead

15:52

or let the browser put them next or below each other, depending on actual window width.

15:52

the problem is you cant get browsers to fall in line to that kinda thing

15:53

ie microshit everything displaying diff

15:53

you'd have to release the notion of getting an identical picture everywhere. you're not serving up "an experience" or "a picture" or whatever, you're serving up content.

15:53

most people arent though

15:54

they are serving up advertising

15:54

products

15:54

etc

15:54

brands

15:54

though I'd be perfectly willing to ignore any and all redmond products regardless of reported usage percentages, they just don't play well with others

15:59

btce price is $14 below others

16:01

;;ticker --market all

16:01

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 361.53, vol: 17577.11989493 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 348.5, vol: 8496.01598 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 362.2, vol: 18786.5756587 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.15, vol: 40.38435468 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 367.965036, vol: 23053.71410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 20.27 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 368.311266445, vol: 79.21147285 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

16:02

business as usual

16:05

Seems so. Buterin's waterfall keeps a churning

16:08

https://secupwn.github.io/Android-IMSI-Catcher-Detector

16:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00074212 = 8.5344 BTC [+]

16:19

!up william1

16:19

http://www.globalresearch.ca/pharmaceutical-giant-glaxosmithkline-accidentally-released-45-liters-of-concentrated-live-polio-virus-in-the-environment/5405801

16:19

Pharmaceutical Giant GlaxoSmithKline “Accidentally” Released 45 Liters of Concentrated Live Polio Virus in the Environment | Global Research

16:19

Well thats an impressive feat

16:21

mmm polio

16:21

they were trying to eradicate these "various orthodox protestant communities"

16:22

Well at least their hearts were in the right place

16:24

dignork

mats_cd03: kosher presentation on why IMSI-catcher is a wrong answer: http://www.slideshare.net/grugq/mobile-opsec

16:24

Click and Dragger: Denial and Deception on Android mobile

16:24

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 297 @ 0.006 = 1.782 BTC [-] {4}

16:25

seen it

16:25

his presentations on opsec are always excellent

16:25

TheNewDeal

;;ticker

16:25

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.79, Best ask: 361.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 361.82, 24 hour volume: 17795.06905467, 24 hour low: 357.0, 24 hour high: 378.78, 24 hour vwap: 374.816987872

16:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00074212 = 16.9203 BTC [+]

16:28

New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-asic-manufacturer-bfl/

16:35

an excellent presentation on why blackphone et. al is stupid.

16:36

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/windows-10-command-prompt-finally-gets-dragged-into-the-21st-century/

16:36

Windows 10 command prompt finally gets dragged into the 21st century | Ars Technica

16:36

Wasn't it torn apart within 15 minutes of it being revealed?

16:38

jurov: Wait, WindowsX has a clicky graphical dialogue for... Setting command line properties?

16:38

*

jurov chuckles

16:45

ars writer is so enthused

16:47

fanbois will be fanbois. people fawning over powershell like it's the bestest thing evar and not, oh, twenty years late to the party? bit of a giveaway.

16:47

and transparent background!!1

16:47

presumed intent is FUCKED

16:50

The US gov is generally fucked, no new information there

~ 33 minutes ~

17:23

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/03/killing-americans-white-house-lawn-wrong

17:23

Killing Americans on the White House Lawn Is Wrong - The Intercept

17:23

^ mega-lol

17:24

*

asciilifeform was actually surprised there wasn't a minefield

17:28

New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/star-citizen-new-ships/

~ 20 minutes ~

17:49

thickasthieves: yknow i'm ok with qntra being all barebones design, but why on god's green earth is it left-aligned? <<< just turn your head a little to the left, fixed

17:51

i guess it's something to keep in mind when/if it comes time to redesign the site but for time being, i think it's acceptable

17:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00074212 = 10.4268 BTC [+]

18:05

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg9069908#msg9069908 r/buttcoin follows *this* ? that's helluva dedication

18:05

Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

18:07

9024 pages *gasp*

18:10

http://www.coindesk.com/russia-proposes-fines-bitcoin/

18:10

Russia Proposes Monetary Penalties for Bitcoin Use and Promotion

18:10

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/257/8/8/angel_whale_by_livanvellnight-d6m84d2.jpg (* ^ *)

18:18

lol angel whale

18:19

angel whale sleeps with the fishes now

18:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00074103 = 8.6701 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

18:39

<bounce> forgot whose study it was, but apparently the easiest to read is about 65 cols referencing fixed-pitch. << bunch of military studies over the years, 60 to 80 in anyu case.

18:43

*: punkman remembers the derps trying to do webfonts before we had webfonts <<< now that was a riot

18:46

"It is NOT impossible to have such an enormous (gigantic) ginormous rise in prices - eg from $300 to $10k; however, the lower that BTC prices go, the more difficult it becomes to imagine such an upward BTC price explosion.... .. such as 30x..."

18:47

jurov you will notice that a) all this was injected into the conversation via bitbet and b) fucktards, srsly.

18:47

it's exactl;y backwards, the smaller the base, the easier high percentiles are.

18:48

yep

18:48

the lower we go the more faith i have in a bubble

18:51

;;ticker --market all

18:51

Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 357.57, vol: 20022.97553918 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 343.088, vol: 9410.68472 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 359.49, vol: 20531.0586212 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 36.33602895 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 365.241348, vol: 24566.86020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 20.27 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 365.438, vol: 86.35057784 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

18:57

Abuses under Obiang have included "unlawful killings by security forces; government-sanctioned kidnappings; systematic torture of prisoners and detainees by security forces; life threatening conditions in prisons and detention facilities; impunity; arbitrary arrest, detention, and incommunicado detention."

18:57

dude, check it out : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teodoro_Obiang_Nguema_Mbasogo_with_Obamas.jpg

18:57

united states of ecuatorial guineea!

19:04

get ready for a barrage of 350 bets

19:08

danielpbarron

seems to be a very large number of transactions happening at the moment, from my full node's point of view

19:09

people panic selling?

19:09

bitcoin hacked

19:09

danielpbarron

or excitement buying -- or both

19:11

there are bunches of txn firing off yes

19:14

it's the diff drop armageddon

19:17

jurov http://redditmetrics.com/r/trilema << lol

19:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15395 @ 0.00074305 = 11.4393 BTC [+] {2}

19:23

[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 587 @ 0.00226393 = 1.3289 BTC [+] {8}

~ 27 minutes ~

19:51

;;bc,stats

19:51

19:53

;;rewardhalf

19:53

Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.

19:53

;;halfreward

19:53

Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Aug 2 16:43:16 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 43 weeks, 2 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.

19:56

thatll be fun

19:57

been a long time since i looked at that. saw we're under 100k blocks to go

20:06

coupla years

20:11

%p

20:11

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 120.95 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.36 TH/s

20:11

%d

20:11

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 303602.34 in 587 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.84

20:14

%ob

20:14

7k@266 100k@255 15k@200 | 75k@180 100k@175 7k@170

20:14

%v

20:14

[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 180 Ask: 200 Last Price: 266 30d-Vol: 242k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 192

20:22

holding steady huh

20:22

!up parfait

20:22

!up hodl

20:22

looks like it.

20:23

vol seems decent.

20:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6729 @ 0.00074307 = 5.0001 BTC [+]

20:31

;;seen pankkake

20:31

pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <pankkake> http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-brokers-trade-millions-without-exchange/

20:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00074264 = 14.9271 BTC [-]

20:42

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-september-2014-statement/

20:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30596 @ 0.00074386 = 22.7591 BTC [+] {2}

20:46

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00074264 = 2.5992 BTC [-]

20:46

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asciilifeform changed day jobs today. it was time-consuming.

20:47

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 130 @ 0.1387386 = 18.036 BTC [+] {11}

20:48

$vwap s.mpoe

20:48

empyex

mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00074338 high: 0.00074856 low: 0.00073961 volume: 1471659 btc: 1093.99743348 7 day: average: 0.000747 high: 0.0007539 low: 0.00073961 volume: 6513289 btc: 4865.44551211 30 day: average: 0.00074366 high: 0.00085114 low: 0.00059659 volume: 18709079 btc: 13913.23754162

20:49

whats your new gig ascii?

20:49

RagnarDanneskjol: consulting

20:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.15067602 = 6.027 BTC [+] {19}

20:50

cool

20:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.17120434 = 3.2529 BTC [+] {11}

20:52

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.17499942 = 1.4 BTC [+]

20:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17666666 = 0.53 BTC [+] {2}

20:54

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 270 @ 0.0040191 = 1.0852 BTC [-] {9}

20:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.19088001 = 4.772 BTC [+] {5}

20:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19210002 = 1.1526 BTC [+]

20:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26459 @ 0.00074372 = 19.6781 BTC [+] {3}

21:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18 = 1.08 BTC [-]

21:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 800 @ 0.00129898 = 1.0392 BTC [+] {3}

21:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00129976 = 0.6499 BTC [+] {3}

21:16

http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/extradited-by-my-rubber-ducklings.html lalala april was so much fun

21:17

mike_c

since we got the lulztron back.. the RENT 3po closed yesterday selling shares for 75. today they are back at 40. quite a 1 day return.

21:21

well the roi is now like double

21:21

mike_c

the div yield through the roof

21:21

yup

21:27

asciilifeform: there's a great deal of bureaucracy surrounding employment in the us

21:27

decimation: yes.

21:27

mainly because there is no free market for 'health insurance', retirement, etc. even if you opt out you still need to file paperwork

21:28

and of course usg needs to know about your employment situation

21:28

decimation: manually computing the tax, alone, is almost a job.

21:28

not because they are nosy busybodies but because they just want properly calculated taxes, you see

21:28

I think most folks just wing it and adjust when the tax bill comes due

21:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00074499 = 7.4871 BTC [+]

21:33

it's amusing that usg taxes labor at usurious rates and then whines about how employment is so low

21:33

decimation: donkey still moving, back not broken yet? put on more, more.

21:34

more like cow still has blood, room for more gnats

21:34

now in most cases, it's usg's money (sometimes one or two steps removed) in the first place.

21:35

so why collect it back as tax? answer: give the 'patient' an opportunity to underpay, collect penalty.

21:35

asciilifeform is that why usg employee's income is not 'pretaxed'?

21:36

one reason, yes.

21:36

other reasons include - folks who play in the real-estate chumpatron get a good deal of tax break.

21:37

since tax authorities operate as if they did not know automagically, in real time, who these are - no pre-tax

21:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50607 @ 0.00074176 = 37.5382 BTC [-]

21:38

i, for instance, in effect pay almost double tax for refusal to 'buy' houses.

21:38

my company hires an old woman to assemble circuit boards, we pay her as an independent contractor. apparently the state has been harassing the company because the state presumes that her 'independent contract' is really an employment contract

21:38

Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 66(Y):34(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 70.44387257 BTC. Current weight: 16,925.

21:38

asciilifeform: these days the double tax isn't as bad because the mortgage interest rates are low

21:38

but I agree with your point

21:39

my point is that a real estate agent is considered an independent contractor even when she works in an office with a secretary

21:39

gov't asks no questions

21:40

independent contractor << not something you really want to be, for tax purposes, in usa

21:40

you get to pay extra 'self employment' tax rate.

21:40

its horrid

21:40

yeah you must pay the employer's share of the 'social security payroll tax'

21:42

beyond the usurious rates, it is a double insult that usg insists that you participate in its crimes against honest accounting while paying 'tax' with your tax

21:47

yeah speaking of which, how's those posters things ? any bites from renters The20YearIRCloud ?

21:51

<asciilifeform> so why collect it back as tax? answer: give the 'patient' an opportunity to underpay, collect penalty. << more like, give patient something to do with his time.

21:52

mircea_popescu: obviously at the cost of draining productivity from the minority of the productive, but that hasn't stopped usg in the past

21:52

decimation> my point is that a real estate agent is considered an independent contractor even when she works in an office with a secretary <<< there

21:52

s a secial extemption written in the law against people like it folks being independent.

21:52

guess who lobbied.

21:53

meanwhile there's a special exception written in the law that requires the irs to presume that engineers are not independent contractors

21:53

exactly.

21:53

for the same reason the law also allows the importation of indian & chinese indentured servants

21:56

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/27/business/how-a-tax-law-helps-insure-a-scarcity-of-programmers.html

21:56

How a Tax Law Helps Insure a Scarcity of Programmers - New York Times

21:56

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/dear-derps-you-are-being-herded/

21:56

asciilifeform: i disagree with your independent contractor bit on taxes.

21:57

asciilifeform: the amount of things I can now deduct has increased 10 fold.

21:57

diametric has a point

21:57

in fact, if I tried hard enough I think I could pay no taxes.

21:57

dub

should be gettin gpaid more than avg wage slave too

21:57

yeah, independent contractor is better if you can get it.

21:57

an 'employee' is at the mercy of his management to decide how to spend business revenue

21:57

decimation: exactly.

21:58

dub

employee has benefits adn protection tho

21:58

although even the independent contractor can't buy a company car for commuting, because the irs says so

21:58

56 cents per mile, all my tolls, my internet, my "home office", any equipment i buy for said home office, pretty much anything that has a realistic tie to me being a contractor is eligible.

21:58

yeah, if you're a woman you can't sue yourself for having jacked off in your home office.

21:58

so, independent contractor is better, if you're white, male and young.

21:58

ie, most people.

21:58

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diametric raises hand

21:58

dub

i get ~70c/km so I win

21:59

uh.

21:59

how come you get so little again ?

22:00

usg's official rate is $0.56 per mile http://www.irs.gov/2014-Standard-Mileage-Rates-for-Business,-Medical-and-Moving-Announced

22:00

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mircea_popescu takes cabs, deduces receipts. a dollar a km in .ro shithole, 5 eu/km in germany, etc.

22:01

this when not using a shuttle service or w/e

22:02

asciilifeform: the other thing is deductions aren't tied specifically to the individual contract either. so all my r&d gets deducted too.

22:02

there's no doubt that 'owning' a business is a good way to skate usg taxes

22:04

yeah. though if you pay the usg something instead of trying to null out the taxes, it goes a long way to avoiding troubles in the future, or so I heard from friends of mine that have been independent contractors for decades.

22:04

the rule of thumb is that you pay at least as much this year as the previous

22:05

that generally makes you fairly immune to serious harassment, at least in the opinion of some accountants I know

22:05

makes sense

22:05

but of course this kind of thing varies by case

22:05

also not being asian helps.

22:05

or selling real estate

22:06

its entirely anecdotal, but I know of more asians that have been audited than anyone else.

22:06

it's well known that greek & asians often operate cash businesses while staking tax

22:07

a friend told me that when he was three, his mom took her cash receipts from the family restaurant to the auditor, along with the screaming three year old. the auditor settled for $100 after a few hours of screaming

22:08

well played

22:09

"Donna Steele Flynn, a former member of the House Ways and Means Committee staff who is now a tax specialist with Ernst & Young, said, ''The only reason this hasn't gotten fixed is because the official Joint Tax Committee estimate in the past was that repeal of Section 1706 would cost a billion dollars in tax revenue over five years.''There is a political will on both sides of the aisle, but in terms of importance and number of

22:09

people, a billion dollars is a lot of money for a relatively small number of people.'"'

22:10

in other words we realize the we are thieves and will happily make unprincipled exceptions when we decide we can do so

22:10

in more other words, the 'political will' of a collection of elected lawyers with real estate side business all agree that they should not pay while others pay

22:13

real estate 'market', pythonic strangler of all things alive.

22:14

indeed. The other day I was trying to find an etf or stock that didn't depend on 'bezzle' (ie usg fiat finance). I didn't succeed.

22:16

asciilifeform: I assume you live in some old suburb near DC - have you ever sat down to total the 'value' of the homes within a few blocks of where you live?

22:16

it's quite easy to come to billions of $ for obviously shitty hovels

22:18

decimation: yes and yes.

22:18

decimation: no need to go far. a short stretch of road - cost $b.

22:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2511 @ 0.00074536 = 1.8716 BTC [+]

22:18

without any houses. just asphalt.

22:19

yeah I've mentioned the "MD 200" fiasco

22:19

i think diametric and i might be two of the 100 or so people who actually drive on that!

22:20

I've been on it a couple times. it's luxurious to weave across 3 empty lanes

22:20

<decimation> indeed. The other day I was trying to find an etf or stock that didn't depend on 'bezzle' (ie usg fiat finance). I didn't succeed. << this is roughly equivalent to, "the other day, i tried to find a natural process going backwards in entropy. i didn't succeed"

22:20

'seinfeld' style

22:20

how the fuck would you succeed, and what would that mean. instaunwind.

22:21

mircea_popescu: yeah I figured it was hopeless, but I wanted to pretend like my bezzlars were not locked in a usg approved cage

22:21

the thing is, without bitcoin that cage can't even be made apparent

22:21

decimation: bezzlars work great because they devalue just as well at the bottom of the sea, or in a shoebox entombed in drywall ceiling, etc

22:21

(insmuch as the most you could do, cca 2010 or before, was to move them into... another cage, worse made)

22:22

with bitcoin, the 'free market' in us finance starts to look like a massive dekulakization experiment

22:22

http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-will-die/ <<< "With every passing day Bitcoin doesnt die, your future dies a little more."

22:22

Bitcoin will die pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:22

jesus i love my old shit.

22:23

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asciilifeform read 'bitcoin' and 'dekulakization' as 'bukkakization' - eyes tired, possibly should sleep

22:23

sleeping rocks.

22:23

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asciilifeform now wants to learn about 'bukkakization'

22:23

lol apparently the weev dude is now a white supremacist.

22:24

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bal-icc111004,0,3081191.story "Flanagan announced last week that the estimated cost of the highway, which would run from U.S. 1 in Laurel to the Interstate 270 corridor in Montgomery County, had increased from the previous projection of $1.7 billion. ... Under current law, 87 percent of future increases would be available for non-ICC projects; the administration wants to make that 80 percent.

22:24

"

22:25

fun fact : Belize, Central African Republic, Djibouti all have a lower yearld gdp

22:25

than 1.7 bn

22:26

speaking of pertinent oldies, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782014

22:26

Logged on 02-08-2014 17:42:01; asciilifeform: dignork: as i pointed out ages ago to ninjaspamgun, it is the responsibility of operating system to enumerate, e.g. only usb dildo on a given port, and not keyboard or whatnot

22:27

asciilifeform: after working closely with usb, do you see it as an evil spec?

22:27

and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#718612

22:27

Logged on 14-06-2014 01:12:04; asciilifeform: dignork: sandisk used to make a line of usb micros called 's3', that had this feature

22:28

decimation: not evil per se, but 'design by committee' all the way. no effort whatsoever was spent to lighten the book.

22:28

the spec is about as stupid as a hardware spec could be.

22:28

the kernel/os is the problem.

22:28

New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/russias-ministry-of-finance-preps-to-ban-bitcoin/

22:28

exploitable bugs in all known implementations. <- and you can take that to the bank.

22:29

yeah I don't see how 'usb' was an improvement over say 'rs-422'

22:29

(if you let arbitrary gizmos enumerate on arbitrary ports, triggering load of kernel mods written in '98, you deserve what you get)

22:30

http://qntra.net/2014/10/russias-ministry-of-finance-preps-to-ban-bitcoin/#comment-2 <<< shit i got their cherry!

22:30

decimation: it's the hardware version of the delusion behind 'xml'.

22:30

decimation: that is, 'let's make heavily specified, supposedly self-describing, format for Everything!'

22:30

;;google "exploitable bugs in all known implementations"

22:30

On the Practical Exploitability of Dual EC in TLS Implementations: <http://dualec.org/>; On the Practical Exploitability of Dual EC in TLS Implementations: <http://dualec.org/DualECTLS.pdf>; Vulnerability (computing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerability_(computing)>

22:30

heh.

22:30

lulzies.

22:31

asciilifeform this notion of "self describing" is possibly the most idiotic thing self-important derps on "committees" ever came up with.

22:31

yeah ssl is the usb of IP

22:31

what the shit is it supposed to be, like a self-eating snake ?

22:31

mind you, nowhere in the book-case worth of turds will you find the phrase 'self-describing'

22:32

o i know! we could resolve problems by positing nonsense and then building cleanly around it!

22:32

and if we ever run out of money, we'll withdraw infinity from a negative account!

22:32

in the us, even in commercial electronics, it is common for people who have no connection with any practical manufacturing/programming to 'design' specs

22:32

decimation: these are the -only- folks permitted to design specs.

22:32

decimation the problem is they have no connection with higher level thinking.

22:32

right, because they are 'qualified'

22:33

'qualified' specifically means a kind of 'aristotelian' noble, who never soiled his hands with lowly wurk.

22:33

for another thing the practical folks are off doing something useful rather than travelling to LA to 'agree on a spec'

22:33

specs are useful work.

22:33

when done by people.

22:34

exactly.

22:34

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014#600860 << here we go.

22:34

Logged on 02-04-2014 23:54:03; asciilifeform: i've tried this personally - it works. (you need a drive for which either docs or some reverse-engineerable flash diddler from the factory are available.)

22:34

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asciilifeform was looking for a turdlet with a date.

22:34

where a good heuristic for peopleness is a strict disinterest in politeness.

22:37

related: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/02/the-nsa-and-me/ << "Many were embarrassingly critical of the agency, describing its enormous paranoia and obsession with secrecy. Others contained clues to a secret trips that Friedman had made to Switzerland, where he helped the agency gain backdoor access into encryption systems that a Swiss company was selling to foreign countries."

22:37

crypto ag.

22:37

^ still best-selling!

22:38

the bigger puzzle is why such a company has any clients at all

22:38

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asciilifeform can only apprehend an 'orlov's deer/hunter system' explanation for this

22:38

i.e. buying a crypto a.g. item is an explicit gesture of bending over and arse-spreading to usg by vassal state or org

22:38

decimation that part is simple. the thirld world consists of derps and chieftain derps.

22:38

the chieftain derps aspire to retire to florida

22:38

the derps are too stupid to understand much

22:39

if the cropto ag can be made complex enough, the chieftain derps can be given their florida retirement while the derps don't sniff the problem.

22:39

yeah I buy that

22:39

incidentally, owner of crypto a.g. is unknown mega-moneybag.

22:39

(no prizes for guessing who)

22:40

which is why the us is so successful in retarded thirld world countries (say, the uk, or switzerland) and so utterly ineffectual in clever thirld world countries (say, iraq)

22:40

in the former, the derps think the us is ok. in the latter, the derps realise the us is a terrorist entreprise.

22:41

reaction to theft is always tied to what you are being asked to part with.

22:41

the swiss, for all of their anal servitude, are still fat.

22:41

so you tihnk.

22:41

swiss losing their starfish virginity - lazy. iraqi losing last bag of grain - fights.

22:41

meanwhile, in the 90s they were a major international player

22:42

and in 2010 they are a sort of monaco.

22:42

they lost everything, over a coupla decades, simply for acquiescing to the kyc/aml bullcrap.

22:42

their future is pretty much personified by belgium.

22:42

also an erstwhile major international power, that's meanwhile become a reservation/zoo.

22:43

comfortable zoo, afaik.

22:43

with top-grade 'meow mix'

22:43

depends for whom.

22:43

you mean, with insane rent costs because all the visiting bureaucrats can afford to pay them

22:43

'while the locals can choose from a variety of hospitality jobs, from hairdresser ot prostitute ?

22:44

yeah, good deal. very comfortable, they can charge for a hairjob/blowjob twice to ten times what a starving ukrainian student gets away with

22:44

meanwhile, the ukrainian student doesn't actually have to pay rent.

22:44

aha - american endgame, yes.

22:45

anyway, they've been begging for the past years to be forgotten, but my and afaik everyone's call is "no" and "fuck you"

22:45

trust, you only break oncew.

22:46

'forgive enemy - after hanging'

22:46

forget enemy after hanging.

22:46

never forgive.

22:46

Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2JGHH2Z.txt )

22:46

!b 3

22:47

but anyway, only someone who had physically visited switzerland cca say 1994 can appreciate the immensity of the drop

22:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00074655 = 20.4555 BTC [+]

22:47

people love to imagine that playing ball has no costs. this is not unlike the chipper's fantasy that he's not a junkie.

22:47

;;ud chipper

22:47

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20Chipper | The Chipper. The male consumes large quantities of deep fried greasy food preferably a King Rib and a Cheese 'N' Burger supper with a few pickled onions ...

22:48

asciilifeform http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/678785-Are-there-any-successful-heroin-chippers-out-there/

22:49

asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2012/the-panic-in-needle-park/ also, not bad movie.

22:49

t. dalrymple (alias, former british prison doctor, many great bookz) had a neato piece on opiates.

22:50

how certain folks take to them once tasted, others - hate, can't possibly picture how anyone gets hooked.

22:51

mebbe.

22:53

drugstore cowboy is a good one imo

23:03

jesus these people derping about codeine. here's a fun fact : as a growing tyke in soviet romania, mp like any other chitlins was administered phosphoric codeine freely for coughs.

23:03

nobody ever got addicted. when the fuck did codeine become an additcive substance. wtf is with these derps.

23:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00074655 = 2.389 BTC [+]

23:04

http://www.pcfarm.ro/prospect.php?id=1054 << still available otc it seems.

23:05

I only heard people even taking it recreationally after I was on it for medical reasons

23:05

and I was like "wtf...why would you take that, it's horrible...and doesn't give you any noticeable high"

23:06

nuts.

23:06

people are weird. xD

23:06

apparently codeine cough syrups are available only in certain us states

23:07

mircea_popescu: the other thing they did that really pissed me off, they lowered the legal limit over the counter of Codeine from 10mg to 8mg here in UK

23:08

!up berndj-blackout

23:08

which means they pulled my damned hayfever tablets that actually fucking worked.

23:08

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Azelphur rages

23:08

um.

23:08

dat 2mg of extra codeine makes all the difference.

23:09

same with mdma precursors like pseudo-ephedrine in the us

23:10

I still have half a tonne of codeine left over from when I had my wisdom tooth out lol

23:15

you need to see my GP Azelphur http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2014#646954

23:15

Logged on 28-04-2014 09:30:07; cazalla: i went to a walk in medical centre with issues about my neck as I couldn't get an appointment at my usual GP, the GP at the walk in just assumed I was after pain meds and wrote a script for endone (oxycodone) without any hesitation to get me the fuck out of there

23:15

us medicine in the oz now too ?

23:16

yeah, it's bad

23:16

all the good dr's are approaching retirement age, all the new ones seem to play musical chairs and move around all the time so by the time you get to know them, they've moved on

23:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00074665 = 13.1784 BTC [+] {2}

23:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00074678 = 21.7313 BTC [+]

23:28

;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 363.19, Best ask: 364.42, Bid-ask spread: 1.23000, Last trade: 364.42, 24 hour volume: 20852.34956404, 24 hour low: 353.75, 24 hour high: 378.11, 24 hour vwap: 375.401006584

23:34

o look at that it bounced again ?

23:35

bounced to what

23:35

New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/knc-wallet-now-available-for-ios-users/

23:37