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00:00 mircea_popescu still, here's a q. Hot Bets ends around .1
00:01 mircea_popescu Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment got .3 and isn't on there ?
00:01 mike_c yeah it is
00:01 mike_c in the middle
00:01 mircea_popescu o was looking for .3 nm
00:01 mike_c close bets is broken on that page atm.. will be fixed shortly. some fucking python 2.6 decimal bug.
00:02 mircea_popescu pretty epic shit.
00:02 * asciilifeform vaguely recalls the zoology lesson - if condemned to choose what animal to be locked with unarmed, and choices are chimp and, e.g., grizzly, or lion - pick the mega-carnivore. at least quick death.
00:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd choose the chimp and fucking maul it.
00:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nontrivial - chimp has >2x the strength of a man gram for gram (muscle fiber quirk. they get greater synchronicity in fiber motion in place of our precision.)
00:04 mircea_popescu so ?
00:04 asciilifeform so, to him we're sorta like plasticine.
00:04 mircea_popescu since when the strong troglodyte got a chance ?
00:05 mircea_popescu for one thing, he's the size of a 9 yo boy.
00:06 mircea_popescu for the other thing, does it even know what a choke hold is ?
00:06 asciilifeform http://ask.metafilter.com/146862/Could-anyone-beat-a-chimp-in-a-fight << 'debate'
00:06 assbot Could anyone beat a chimp in a fight? - martial arts | Ask MetaFilter
00:07 asciilifeform bear doesn't know what chokehold is, either...
00:07 mircea_popescu "Back in the early half of the century, circuses used to hold fights between apes and the strongest men in the town they were touring through. The men were generally knocked unconscious just a few seconds into the fight, after the first blow from the ape."
00:07 mircea_popescu !ape
00:07 mircea_popescu wtf already.
00:08 asciilifeform http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090330200829.htm
00:08 assbot The Secret To Chimp Strength -- ScienceDaily
00:08 Bet created: "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/
00:08 * asciilifeform did not personally measure chimp strength, cannot guarantee results.
00:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform fun fact : the carpathian brown bear is just about human range. you'd get about one boy per generation per village that could wrestle a bear.
00:08 mircea_popescu "And I bet that Mr. Lee can hit pretty hard. I'm wondering if his ability to block/dodge/fend off the chimpanzee would give him the advantage."
00:09 mircea_popescu these people are idiots. why would i hit it.
00:13 * asciilifeform digs for ancient report of zoologies who lost fingers, toes, nose, ears, eyes, cock to chimps in one evening. beasts he worked with for a decade, who decided to have some sudden fun.
00:13 asciilifeform *zoologist
00:14 decimation it seems the human's advantage in such a fight would be to rely on tools
00:14 mircea_popescu ima eat the fucking monkey stop pestering me.
00:14 asciilifeform tools >> good rifle.
00:14 mircea_popescu i shook hands with chimps, they're not THAT strong for crying out loud.
00:14 decimation precisely. or a shotgun if too close
00:15 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,991.
00:15 decimation http://m.gazette.com/poachers-sought-in-death-of-bear-near-canon-city/article/1537586
00:15 assbot Poachers sought in death of bear in Caon City | gazette.com
00:15 mircea_popescu mthreat ^ if you care.
00:15 decimation "Wildlife officials are offering a $2,000 reward for information leading to the capture of the poacher or poachers responsible for killing a black bear with a series of arrow strikes."
00:15 asciilifeform 'stole this bear from the People of the State of Colorado.'
00:15 asciilifeform lol!
00:16 decimation asciilifeform: it's well settled in common law that the wildlife belongs to the king
00:16 asciilifeform naturally.
00:16 mircea_popescu good thing the bison was free game then
00:17 asciilifeform and vox populi, vox Führer, at the risk of mixing things up a bit...
00:18 decimation of course, in England the king could assign ownership of animals to the local barons
00:18 decimation no one in the us is equal enough for such a privilege
00:19 mircea_popescu fun fact : romanian baron (ion tiriac) owns hunting domain in romania, holds invite-only yearly event
00:20 TheNewDeal canon city is where i go rock climbing ery yeare
00:20 mircea_popescu romanian hipsters are enraged every year, pen poisonous op pieces for mags and rags
00:20 mircea_popescu nobody cares.
00:20 mircea_popescu i kinda like the guy for this reason alone.
00:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ro brought back titles !?
00:20 mircea_popescu nah, just the domains.
00:20 asciilifeform aha
00:20 mircea_popescu ;;google ion tiriac domeniu vinatoare
00:20 gribble Comuna Balc, Bihor - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Balc,_Bihor>; Vânătoarea de la Balc, organizată de Ion Ţiriac - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl_tyweEQGE>; Tiriac cumpara 3500 de hectare pentru vanatoare in Bozovici CS ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5LZFESoDw>
00:20 mircea_popescu and they kill shit too, tons of everything.
00:21 TheNewDeal saw a black bear there 2 years ago, was a small one that was up in a tree, just about broke the branch it was on while reaching for some food
00:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who complains? vegetarians ?
00:21 mircea_popescu unlike the god forsaken plains to the south, romania has a great hunting history
00:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, town hipsters. the sort of kids that'd be on reddit if they could comprehend english
00:22 mircea_popescu "creative" peoples.
00:22 mircea_popescu web 2.0 gurus
00:22 mircea_popescu that sorta crowd.
00:22 asciilifeform lol!
00:22 decimation ie those that eat meat but have never slain an animal
00:22 mircea_popescu ^
00:23 mircea_popescu and btw, the guy's right consists of his ownership of the land and the beasts in question
00:23 mircea_popescu that is all.
00:24 decimation he doesn't get any pr staff position in the ro government?
00:24 mircea_popescu notrly.
00:24 mircea_popescu his son was caught with a load of cocaine once
00:25 mike_c ok, stupid bug squashed, close bets list working.
00:25 mircea_popescu if you've seen true romance, something like that scene
00:25 mircea_popescu but he got out on general barony privilege
00:25 mike_c ;;later tell kakobrekla http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/
00:25 assbot BitBet Overview - Btc Alpha
00:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why'd they bring back baronies? 'fuse' ? (i.e. somebody for the next set of bolsheviks to guillotine, so normal people might escape ?)
00:27 mircea_popescu no, just an earnest belief in feudalism.
00:28 decimation relatedly, elsewhere in colorado the barons who own Anheiser Bush/InBev decided to purchase a town for their own amusement: http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2014/09/15/bud-light-posts-first-whatever-usa-ad-youtube/112778/
00:28 assbot Bud Light posts first Whatever USA ad on YouTube
00:29 * asciilifeform vaguely recalls that firm was bankrupt not long ago ?
00:29 decimation "Anheuser-Busch paid the town $500,000 to transform the mountain community into a Budweiser paradise as part of the beer giant’s “Up For Whatever” ad campaign."
00:29 decimation Busch was bought out by euro-brewer InBev
00:29 asciilifeform decimation: 500k buys a small house here where i live...
00:30 decimation asciilifeform: yeah it's amusing how cheap/poor people are in the middle of nowhere usa
00:31 decimation TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub
00:31 asciilifeform middle of nowhere usa << antarctica, even cheaper.
00:32 TheNewDeal We were playing games at night as a child, someone mistook a small bear cub for me, got real close, but nothing came of it
00:33 TheNewDeal decimation ever seen pictures of that guy who would let a bear wrap its jaws around his head?
00:33 decimation when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories of bears ripping open tents and mauling inhabitants because they could smell food or hygiene products
00:33 TheNewDeal I've heard the same, or even women's menses
00:35 decimation http://amarillo.com/stories/2000/07/26/usn_black.shtml "Drought has forced the bears to look for food at some of the ranch's backcountry camps used on hiking treks by Boy Scouts from across the United States."
00:37 TheNewDeal damn
00:38 TheNewDeal "The bear continued to roam around the campground. It was shot later that morning by a ranch employee." Nice transition
00:41 decimation reminds me of that Herzog documentary "Happy People". One of the men they follow is a trapper who spends the Siberian winter alone in the taiga trapping animals. He said "I used to raise cattle, and I could never bring myself to slaughter them. Because there is, say, a bull. You raise him for two years. It comes to you expecting you to show affection or give it some treat and instead he gets a bullet in the head. In the taiga, the
00:41 decimation wild animal knows that no good can come from me, from a man. He tries to escape. Here, it’s about who outsmarts whom."
00:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9652 @ 0.00075486 = 7.2859 BTC [+] {2}
00:45 decimation so the solar flare last week produced a coronal mass ejection that hit the earth and did not cause The End of Days, but it did make pretty aurorae in Norway http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=101723
00:45 assbot Auroras
00:51 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC tops all time high before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1033/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.71569497 BTC. Current weight: 84,143.
00:51 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4198 BTC. Current weight: 99,837.
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01:10 BingoBoingo %p
01:11 BingoBoingo %d
01:12 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
01:12 atcbot No data returned from PityThePool.com
01:12 atcbot [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.89 TH/s
01:12 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 291449.55 in 1111 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.48
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01:39 BingoBoingo !up themediator
01:39 BingoBoingo !up Molten_Sea
01:40 * Molten_Sea coughs
01:41 BingoBoingo Hello Molten_Sea
01:41 Molten_Sea hello
01:41 BingoBoingo Whay brings you around these parts?
01:43 Molten_Sea no reason
01:45 BingoBoingo Cool
01:45 BingoBoingo Enjoy
01:45 Molten_Sea actually know that you mention it i wanted to share this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wYl5v3w2k&feature=player_embedded#t=57
01:45 assbot Burmese python eat big rabbit - YouTube
01:46 BingoBoingo Sweet
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02:44 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "go to san jose" << har dee har har
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03:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1908 = 0.954 BTC [+]
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03:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4602 @ 0.000753 = 3.4653 BTC [-]
03:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19496666 = 0.5849 BTC [+] {2}
03:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19499999 = 0.585 BTC [+] {2}
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04:43 RagnarDanneskjol https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exabgp
04:43 assbot Exa-Networks/exabgp GitHub
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05:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19833333 = 0.595 BTC [+] {3}
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05:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.195 = 0.78 BTC [-]
05:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.194 = 0.582 BTC [-]
05:51 punkman 'ello
05:54 RagnarDanneskjol howdy
05:55 punkman !s warpwallet
05:55 assbot 0 results for 'warpwallet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=warpwallet
05:55 punkman 20 BTC for breaking this js wallet: https://keybase.io/warp/warp_1.0.6_SHA256_e68d4587b0e2ec34a7b554fbd1ed2d0fedfaeacf3e47fbb6c5403e252348cbfc.html
05:55 assbot WarpWallet - deterministic bitcoin wallet generator
05:55 RagnarDanneskjol ooh
05:56 RagnarDanneskjol oh yea - I seen that one - its just straight carbonwallet fork I thought
05:57 RagnarDanneskjol I believe this is rather impossible to break
06:01 punkman well if anyone's inclide to try, should probably start here: https://github.com/keybase/triplesec
06:01 assbot keybase/triplesec GitHub
06:01 punkman *inclined
06:03 RagnarDanneskjol hmm neat
06:03 punkman and here's another puzzle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766000.0;all
06:03 assbot New Bitcoin ARG, The legend begins here.... 4.33 BTC BOUNTY!!!
06:08 RagnarDanneskjol ha - derps are setting up shop in BA: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15576/bracing-bitcoin-buenos-aires/
06:08 assbot Bracing for Bitcoin In Argentina
06:18 punkman sounds more like a coworking space than embassy
06:19 punkman BitPay, BitPagos, CoinMelon setting up offices there. Prime target for some unscrupulous folks?
06:20 RagnarDanneskjol sure
06:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.193 = 0.579 BTC [-]
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06:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00004175 = 0.835 BTC [-] {38}
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07:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14191 @ 0.00075187 = 10.6698 BTC [-]
07:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999999 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
07:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 232 @ 0.0104 = 2.4128 BTC [-] {2}
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08:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 162 @ 0.01069629 = 1.7328 BTC [+] {3}
08:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9228 @ 0.00075187 = 6.9383 BTC [-]
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08:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.203 = 1.015 BTC [+] {2}
08:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-]
08:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 707 @ 0.00412612 = 2.9172 BTC [-] {14}
08:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.21017642 = 2.9425 BTC [+] {4}
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09:28 kdomanski_ I'm suprised to see there aren't any bets related to what Russia is doing
09:30 mircea_popescu there was one iirc. but really hard to have them resolvable
09:36 mircea_popescu decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub << bears generally aren't aggressive at all. felides&canides are aggressive if very hungry or during mating season, but otherwise you can get out and people have for ages. animal aggressivity is a cost/benefit consideration, they';re not the convenient antichrist retarded human shamans preach.
09:36 mircea_popescu they're not an anthropo thing. they're animals. doing their own thing.
09:39 mircea_popescu decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories << re retarded human shamans : here they tell horror stories about muggings. i have, in months, observed exactly one attempt, and it was a clearly us bum trying to pass himself as belgian and doing the talking business. clueless enough to not even fucking spot me, the idiot. but otherwise : ever
09:39 mircea_popescu y argentine will warn you to "be careful with your belongings!111eleventy", they have special implements in many restaurants to hook&tie your purse to the table, they go as fucking far as to wear backpacks in front, and many kids with it in the back had this mental issue where they reached back and touched the zipper every 30 seconds.
09:40 mircea_popescu because they've convinced themselves this happens. meanwhile, it never does. walk queens you'll see a mugging every day. walk chacarrita and glty, you got better chances to see a comet.
09:43 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
09:43 gribble Current Blocks: 320978 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1581 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33058442115.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.82379
09:47 los_pantalones mircea_popescu i couldn't believe how many people came up to me
09:47 los_pantalones to tell me to put away my cell phone
09:47 mircea_popescu los_pantalones ikr ?!
09:47 los_pantalones not one person ever looked at me funny
09:47 mircea_popescu to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it.
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09:47 los_pantalones but ppl would come running in a panice
09:47 los_pantalones PUT IT AWAY
09:47 mircea_popescu in fact, i might enjoy the sport of it
09:48 los_pantalones as opposed to las ramblas in barcelona
09:48 mircea_popescu as opposed to anywhere in "the civilised" world.
09:48 los_pantalones where 50% of the ppl there are just a network of pickpockets
09:48 mircea_popescu and this isn't even all of it. when i left for mexico everyone in the us was like "pack tp"
09:48 mircea_popescu meanwhile, the bus stations in fucking rural mexico are airport-clean, you can eat off the floors.
09:49 los_pantalones haha, yes
09:49 mircea_popescu go check out greyhound station in mobile sometime
09:49 mircea_popescu not even the streetwalkers hang there.
09:49 los_pantalones US gas station bathrooms are the worst
09:49 los_pantalones driving through rural turkey was better
09:49 mircea_popescu basically the various govts have pulled the trick of all time : convinced the people living in the shithole of the world they're living in the only livable tip thereof.
09:50 mircea_popescu if only the soviets had such pixie dust
09:50 los_pantalones ha, didn't they just run out of it?
09:50 mircea_popescu yeah and vice-versa. speaking in english to womenz in romanian cabs, driver picks the idea i'm like from boston
09:51 mircea_popescu and so he starts telling me all about how they die of hunger over there and how bad romania is
09:51 mircea_popescu im like... you're such a fucking retard, i live here for the food motherfucker.
09:51 los_pantalones hahaha
09:51 mircea_popescu because srsly, it is the best place in the world for food.
09:52 mircea_popescu i don't mean other places don't have good food, but if you're european/(french-italian branch), there's just nowhere to go.
09:52 los_pantalones romanian specifically or east europe ?
09:52 mircea_popescu maybe you get a ny deli with decent stuff most of the time, maybe you're willing to drop 20k euro a month to eat properly in paris,
09:52 mircea_popescu but then again maybe you don't.
09:52 los_pantalones bulgarians are fanatics about their tomatoes
09:52 mircea_popescu los_pantalones romania specifically, from timisoara/oradea to brasov.
09:53 mircea_popescu los_pantalones yes but they don't do salt pickles. which... romanians end up importing the gherkins and pickling locally.
09:53 los_pantalones i'll be in bucharest next summer for a bit, i'll report on the veracity of your claims
09:53 mircea_popescu bucharest is shit.
09:53 mircea_popescu if you look at a map, it's outside the perimeter i described :)
09:53 los_pantalones pickles are such an art form
09:54 mircea_popescu totally.
09:54 los_pantalones so bad in the US
09:54 mircea_popescu bucharest is like trying to eat in washington dc.
09:54 mircea_popescu they eat tax money there, not food.
09:55 los_pantalones maybe i'll bring the family and we'll venture out
09:55 mircea_popescu you coming to the conference btw ?
09:55 los_pantalones yessir
09:56 mircea_popescu dun forget to pay before it hikes!
09:56 los_pantalones kk
09:57 mircea_popescu i have nfi what to do here, i mean the town is hooker central, but i don't imagine people would much like the italian arrangement
09:57 mircea_popescu (seat people with wife on right, whore on left)
09:58 mircea_popescu i guess ima run a poll see if people want fambly friendly or what.
09:58 los_pantalones my vote for not
09:58 los_pantalones biz trip
09:58 mircea_popescu last time i tried to do it "bring your gf" but mostly ppl didn't.
09:59 kakobrekla shame on you lampelina .
10:00 mircea_popescu by the way, BitBet announcement : the contract specifies 30% of shares are sold on a increasing schedule, after their being sold me and kako each get 10% into our accounts.
10:01 kakobrekla 10 + 10 = 30 ?
10:01 kakobrekla ;;calc 10+10
10:01 gribble 20
10:01 kakobrekla no.
10:01 mircea_popescu seeing how it's been about two years and the 30% still ain't all sold, and given that the contract was made at a btc of like 15 so it significantly misjudges things, and seeing how us having 0 shares in hand is inconvenient because we want to do things like give mike some shares cause he keeps doing cool shit
10:02 mircea_popescu i am unilaterally modifying that thing, and will release the 10% blocks to our accounts later this week.
10:02 mircea_popescu kakobrekla well it's 30% on sale and 10% a head held in reserve making for 50%
10:03 kakobrekla hrm?
10:03 * kakobrekla goes to reread the contract
10:03 mircea_popescu hrm? is a very bad error message!1
10:03 kakobrekla lol
10:04 mircea_popescu MiniGame announcement : i received sketches for 36 itams, ofwhich 24 animals and 12 plants, from jason juta (the wizards of the coast guy) who's worked with us before and i was very satisfied.
10:04 mike_c sweet. i think any changes that involve giving mike some stuff is a good idea.
10:04 mircea_popescu ima be scoring them and getting the fully painted things later this month, and we will proceed having them modelled then.
10:04 mircea_popescu mike_c lol
10:05 mircea_popescu no but it is getting ridiculous, wanted to do this after the bitbet ads thing but o noes, contracts.
10:05 mircea_popescu eventually i had enough.
10:07 kakobrekla 3. (f)Of the remainder 5`000`000 (five million) shares, 3`000`000 (three million) will be used as described in paragraph (b) above. The proceeds of those sales will go to the two individuals named above, alternatively for each block, starting with Matic "kakobrekla" Kočevar for the first block. Thirty days after the completion of the IPO as described in paragraph (b) above the remainder 2`000`000 (two million) shares will be distributed e
10:07 kakobrekla among the two named individuals, each receiving a block of 1`000`000 (one million) shares.
10:07 mircea_popescu right, which 1mn = 10%
10:07 kakobrekla this is the clause? has it been 30 days already sheesh.
10:07 mircea_popescu kakobrekla well completion of ipo as in, them selling.
10:07 kakobrekla a right.
10:08 mircea_popescu which.. you know. but anyway, lessons learned galore from that 1st try. it's time to release the undead hold.
10:09 kakobrekla so basically a hardcoded date should be a fix for this
10:09 mircea_popescu many different fixes for many different aspects. either a fixed date, not such large blocks on sale, not such strictly fixed prices etc.
10:10 mircea_popescu it was one of those bright engineering ideas what does in fact work as intended, but causes such a pile of unintended consequences as to wipe out any benefit.
10:10 mircea_popescu so... reiteration!
10:18 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol: ha - derps are setting up shop in BA << it's a big town
10:18 mircea_popescu "After a brief introduction to some of the building’s chief organizers, along with a tour of the facility, I was a fellow citizen in good standing, in the world of Bitcoin. "
10:18 mircea_popescu in your dreems, punk.
10:19 mircea_popescu jeez why the fuck am i reading bitcoinragazine.
10:21 RagnarDanneskjol sorry - thought you needed to know the enemy is in yur backyard
10:21 mircea_popescu lol what enemy
10:21 mircea_popescu kids hanging out are no one's enemy.,
10:21 RagnarDanneskjol well - they aren't allies, so
10:22 mircea_popescu but anyway, it's a big city, 20mn or so, plenty of room for derpage here.
10:22 RagnarDanneskjol ha
10:22 mircea_popescu you should hear the whores thinking outloud.
10:22 RagnarDanneskjol hmm
10:32 mircea_popescu mike_c btw, make yourself a banner for the thing, you get a month.
10:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00075359 = 3.5954 BTC [+]
10:41 mircea_popescu http://asfutecevanou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMG_5427.jpg << remember the 50s ? back when WE were the muslims ?
10:46 mike_c <+mircea_popescu> mike_c btw, make yourself a banner << hm? a banner for what?
10:46 mircea_popescu for the new tool
10:47 mike_c ah, k.
10:48 mircea_popescu i figure the best audience for it is bitbet itself
10:48 mike_c yup, makes sense
11:02 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jnk7VS-Ko << bitcoin company ceo negotiates.
11:02 assbot Wow Mom tells kid no more World of Warcraft Gold Guide - YouTube
11:03 pete_dushenski to all: wd on the logs, this fine morning.
11:03 fluffypony pete_dushenski: NOW READ
11:04 fluffypony and bask in the glory of 0 lines from me
11:04 fluffypony muhaahahahahahaaha
11:04 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: no, that's not retirement, that's being alive. << la vita bella, to be sure
11:04 pete_dushenski fluffypony: well nao you have… 3 lol
11:04 fluffypony hah hah
11:04 fluffypony how goes it, pete_dushenski ?
11:04 mircea_popescu fluffypony what are you up to anywya
11:05 wyrdmantis hi pete
11:05 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski they weren't COMPLETELY bare were they ?
11:05 pete_dushenski fluffypony: i'm pretty stoked that my latvia post beat yours ;)
11:05 fluffypony hah hah
11:05 fluffypony too much to do, too little time
11:05 pete_dushenski wyrdmantis: howdy.
11:07 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: you think i make joke? the logs are really quite splendid this 16th of september
11:07 mircea_popescu aok :p
11:07 mircea_popescu here at house of b-a no joke sir. no joke at all.
11:09 pete_dushenski then what of that cia joke a week ago that made me lol so?
11:09 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: now the reports and the contract are fucking diverged and jurov has legitimate complaint #873 << c'est possible!
11:10 pete_dushenski notsakamoto: rumor has it ethereum selling 1/2 their holdings to pay for dev. 15,000 btc hitting market soon << that's some diamond encrusted dev work right there
11:11 mircea_popescu in other news, i'm selling louisiana to pay for haircuts.
11:11 mircea_popescu if you live in louisiana you should be worried, isis is the top bidder so far
11:11 BingoBoingo There once was a mayor named Ford, of wood he cut a full cord. Twas his abode! Oh how he felt like a chode. And then there was another Mayor named Ford.
11:11 mircea_popescu the fundamentalist mormon state a distant second
11:11 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe scientificamerican seriously is advocating making tanks run windows. << i read this as "building tanks with windows for looking out of." funnily, they may just replace seeing windows with mircoderp windows
11:12 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski tanks haven't had plain optics for a while now. too hard to shield.
11:12 mircea_popescu much cheaper to just put ten thousand cams on the body of the thing
11:12 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: a didn't know this was fait accompli
11:13 pete_dushenski that's even better then
11:13 pete_dushenski "we miss our windows!" cried the generals
11:13 pete_dushenski "here, take these. they'll keep you warm at night"
11:15 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: sometimes i feel like unconvertible Excel files are the only reason MS still exists << xls has no problem being turned into google docs. though that may be about as big a difference as bush and obama.
11:15 kdomanski mircea_popescu: I don't know about the cams, but the driver's front window is an array of mirrors, usually
11:16 los_pantalones anyone in here ever met / dealth with zooko wilcox-o'hearn ?
11:16 thestringpuller good morning/afternoon/evening all
11:16 punkman pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage.
11:16 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the original 'salami slicer' thief, if i recall, stole the rounding error at a large bank. << as seen in canonical movie "office space" (1999(
11:16 thestringpuller (given everyone is in ridic different time zones)
11:17 pete_dushenski punkman: fair point. excel is still full fat. google docs is spreadsheet lite.
11:18 punkman pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets
11:18 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i stopped the car, got out and spent the next hour screaming at people on the phone. << nao there's a man who doesn't take shit from people who are used to giving it all day.
11:20 ThickAsThieves ;;estimate
11:20 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 33147848402.3 based on data since last change | 33410380121.3 based on data for last three days
11:20 ThickAsThieves :)
11:21 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: "TGI Friday's << they actually had one of these abominations in riga
11:21 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: double :)
11:21 pete_dushenski ;;nethash
11:21 gribble 239164465.973
11:22 pete_dushenski i think the only time i've been to a tgif was in nyc in 2000. i'll never forget it because it was the first time i saw a menu with a whole page for "the atkins diet"
11:23 pete_dushenski it was pretty much just bacon cheese steaks
11:23 pete_dushenski and that's when i learned about fad diets
11:23 ThickAsThieves atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly
11:23 thestringpuller ;;seen arij
11:23 gribble arij was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <arij> pLambert, yes, pm me
11:24 ThickAsThieves you want a pile of cheese and meat? you got it!
11:24 ThickAsThieves free celery stick incl
11:26 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: gluten free menu only slightly trickier to manage
11:26 pete_dushenski often many poorly concocted substitutions
11:30 mircea_popescu <punkman> pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage. << vb scripts being untranslatable because of just how retarded vb is
11:31 mircea_popescu <punkman> pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets << wtf are you talking about ?!
11:31 punkman mircea_popescu: you ever try to open 500mb spreadsheet in LibreOffice or whatever?
11:31 mircea_popescu well, an old open office, yes.
11:32 mircea_popescu because at some point a bunch of derps in an office "we dunno why our computers are all borkt we had ppl repair them 5x but not able to fix"
11:32 wyrdmantis pete_dushenski: i was wondering... would you give me a little loan, to improve my WoT? there are better ways?
11:32 ThickAsThieves google docs has an obnoxiously low limit on size too
11:33 mircea_popescu so i wiped a laptop, installed ubuntu, installed open office and had it load the thing and cut out the spurious data.
11:33 pete_dushenski ;;gettrust wyrdmantis
11:33 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!9740323c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.64.50.60. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014
11:33 mircea_popescu this was cca early 2000s tho, no idea meanwhile
11:33 punkman I made a lot of the open source ones crash last year, client was fine with his Excel
11:34 pete_dushenski wyrdmantis: got any skills? writing, researching, coding, etc.?
11:34 mircea_popescu maybe excel picked up in the meanwhile, but last i saw of it it was ridiculous.
11:34 mircea_popescu i suppose they musta done a full 64 byte rewrite of the engine or something
11:34 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski he's an economist actually
11:35 mircea_popescu wyrdmantis this loan for wot business is dimly regarded, but your best avenue would perhaps be to intern with mike_c for btcalpha.
11:35 mircea_popescu win-win, you both get something from it.
11:35 mircea_popescu i think he's looking for more ppls to do econometric type of work
11:35 wyrdmantis pete_dushenski: researching, i have PhD in communication, highly informed on bitcoin topic
11:36 wyrdmantis pete_dushenski: and i've started study coding... but the topic is huge... maybe with a little guidance...
11:36 kakobrekla first econometric task could be to measure the circumference of a bitcoin
11:37 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly << mystery solved. i had nfi why people still reference that idiocy after all these years.
11:37 mircea_popescu kakobrekla that's not econometry you hater you :D
11:38 mircea_popescu ow shit, here i go confusing wywialm with wyrdmantis
11:39 mircea_popescu sorry both of you. wy collision in my head.
11:39 wyrdmantis lolz does not matter
11:40 BingoBoingo Of course it matters! Wy collisions are messy!
11:40 BingoBoingo What if Wyoming were to become involved
11:41 wyrdmantis yeah wyoming, nice place, never seen it
11:41 mircea_popescu "one wy entry should be enough for everyone"
11:41 wyrdmantis lol
11:42 pete_dushenski wyrdmantis: o they matter. collisions were the catalyst for pete_d rather than bitcoinpete
11:42 pete_dushenski wyrdmantis: and i'm sure something will come up soon. stayed tuned :)
11:43 mircea_popescu what's to come, wywialm is the guy';s name
11:44 wyrdmantis pete_dushenski: what this means? is it something about security?
11:45 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" << the apple watch is past the inflection point. a point that was, in my estimation, the iphone 5's 4" screen
11:45 pete_dushenski 24 months ago...
11:46 pete_dushenski prior to that, it was "fuck you, 3.5" is perfect" and they were right
11:46 ThickAsThieves i'm no sure i agree on that one point
11:46 pete_dushenski then apple recognized its competition as such, rather than as inferior pretenders, and it's been downhill since
11:47 kakobrekla the bigger the screen the bigger the sales, with iphone.
11:47 mircea_popescu i didn't reallt follow apple, so i dunno.
11:47 pete_dushenski wyrdmantis: not a security thing, no.
11:47 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: how do you see it?
11:47 ThickAsThieves personal bias probly
11:48 ThickAsThieves i dont keep a real cell phone, just a 7" tablet with data plan
11:48 mircea_popescu kakobrekla honestly, my thinking was, "either apple actually comes with holodisplays for a 2015ish horizon, or it won't matter by 2020"
11:48 ThickAsThieves love it
11:48 ThickAsThieves i also dont like talking on the phone
11:48 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves hard to do since irc huh.
11:48 ThickAsThieves the idea of being immediately available to anyone irks me
11:48 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: which is of course coincides with entering china and shit
11:49 ThickAsThieves other than my fambly i guess
11:49 kakobrekla china got other iphones
11:49 ThickAsThieves and they know to email
11:49 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: no disagreement there, but where do you see apple's decline commencing?
11:49 pete_dushenski if not the iphone 5
11:49 kakobrekla mircea_popescu i dont see why they wouldnt
11:49 ThickAsThieves oh i wasnt meaning to comment on that aspect so much as that i think it's no biggie to have 2 or 3 sizes avail
11:50 ThickAsThieves people come in all shapes and biases
11:50 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: they do nao that they've had a few years to copy the original. but the fruit brand is still the fruit brand. lv is still lv
11:50 mircea_popescu kakobrekla because if you have a lot of money and not much thought leadership you will be scammed.
11:50 ThickAsThieves apple died when it went ALL in on design and walled garden
11:50 ThickAsThieves it's just like MS going all in on locking people into Office/Win
11:50 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski lv is actually about 35% lv
11:51 mircea_popescu the rest are undetected fakes.
11:51 ThickAsThieves cant be sustained
11:51 kakobrekla pete_dushenski heard of xiaomi?
11:51 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol!
11:51 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: def
11:51 kakobrekla apl cant do shit against that.
11:51 mircea_popescu kakobrekla what is it ?
11:52 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: apple has always been "all in" on design. though the walled garden is an ios thing
11:52 pete_dushenski ;;google xiaomi
11:52 gribble Xiaomi: <http://www.mi.com/sg/>; Xiaomi: <http://www.xiaomi.com/>; Xiaomi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi>
11:52 kakobrekla supposedly a quality iphone lookalike that runs some android for much less dorra
11:52 ThickAsThieves by all in, i mean they made it their gimmick more than their charge
11:53 pete_dushenski and sends plaintext data to people's servers
11:53 ThickAsThieves they leveraged it
11:53 ThickAsThieves and now post_jobs crew is harvesting it
11:53 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: xiaomi has people hooked with, get this, weekly software updates
11:53 ThickAsThieves crop wont be there next time
11:53 pete_dushenski it's like digsec hell
11:54 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: agreed.
11:54 * mircea_popescu continues to not get it
11:54 kakobrekla china is very different. so same tricks do not work as on mericans.
11:54 mircea_popescu i guess im old.
11:54 ThickAsThieves the watch was a bad idea
11:54 ThickAsThieves so bad
11:54 pete_dushenski horrendous
11:54 ThickAsThieves they couldve showed some grace by bowing out on the wearables garbage
11:55 ThickAsThieves nothing feels more douchey than wearing a wearable
11:55 pete_dushenski nao we know they've got no grace left in the tank
11:55 mircea_popescu google glass will own the watch on basic "wearables" and even google glass seems to lose the wider socioacceptance war, what with all the glasshole sites and whatnot
11:55 ThickAsThieves both will gloriously fail
11:55 mircea_popescu if the bitchez dun think glass is cool, the nerds don't buy glass, and the whole story collapses
11:55 ThickAsThieves glass already has really
11:55 thestringpuller two bit idiot needs to just die
11:56 ThickAsThieves itll be a pro security tool or such maaaaybe eventually
11:56 mircea_popescu thestringpuller until you said something i had thought he had.
11:56 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that existed for a while now, and better adapted for the job.
11:56 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that bitz think any new tech is cool on guys
11:56 pete_dushenski though they certainly like their own megaphones
11:56 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski dunno man, they loved the condom.
11:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-]
11:57 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3E13F67.txt )
11:57 pete_dushenski !b 4
11:57 mircea_popescu they also loved the car, and the bike
11:57 ThickAsThieves another prob with iwatch is it requires iphone
11:57 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ok ok
11:58 ThickAsThieves once user boots both up and diddles with em in public, they will feel that nice rush of emarassment
11:58 ThickAsThieves b
11:58 pete_dushenski gurlz also loved airplanes and zeppelins and catapults
11:58 thestringpuller apparently people are now paying him to ramble about bitcoin?
11:58 thestringpuller when did he become an expert on the subject....
11:58 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: as so many samsungtards have already discovered
11:59 ThickAsThieves there's a cool short about wearables in The Black Mirror
11:59 ThickAsThieves all 3 eps are pretty cool
11:59 ThickAsThieves if you havent seen em
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27218897 BTC to 15`093 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.64644108 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 491 satoshi per share
12:01 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: have not. but i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio!
12:01 thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: are you going to start that record label?
12:03 ThickAsThieves not anytime soon
12:03 thestringpuller whats the key component of a label? i originally thought distribution but i'm certain i'm wrong
12:04 ThickAsThieves i have some decent ideas about music thingies but my right left says no
12:04 ThickAsThieves that's the key component of a distributor ;)
12:04 thestringpuller XD
12:04 ThickAsThieves a label can be any subset or all services required to have a music business
12:05 thestringpuller distribution seems moot in light of ticket sales on tours (if the artist has that kind of pull on fans)
12:05 ThickAsThieves mgmt, booking, pr, dist, merch, legal, etc
12:06 ThickAsThieves i think there's something to applying crowdfunding concepts to music biz
12:06 ThickAsThieves might be where it's going
12:06 ThickAsThieves like memberships, buffet subscriptions, preorder stretch goals and shit
12:06 thestringpuller what about acquiring fans tho?
12:07 thestringpuller like for instance Jay-Z can announce a concert and it sales out
12:07 ThickAsThieves these days, that's the artist's problem
12:07 thestringpuller Beatlemania in the 60's
12:07 thestringpuller etc.
12:07 thestringpuller has it always been the artist's problem?
12:07 ThickAsThieves broadly yes
12:07 ThickAsThieves not in the 90s/00s tho
12:07 ThickAsThieves maybe not 80s either
12:08 kakobrekla jesus
12:08 thestringpuller so this is a recent development?
12:08 kakobrekla you need to 'register for a flash sale' to get these
12:08 kakobrekla http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/40000-redmi-1s-smartphones-gone-in-34-seconds-xiaomi-592701
12:08 assbot 40,000 Redmi 1S Smartphones Gone in 3.4 Seconds: Xiaomi | NDTV Gadgets
12:09 kakobrekla 350k registration, 40k phones
12:09 thestringpuller kakobrekla: i heard those aren't ready for production tho. very buggy.
12:09 ThickAsThieves the talent market is much more commoditized now
12:09 ThickAsThieves easy to find decent bands, so easier to focus on ones that already have some traction
12:10 ThickAsThieves look at macklemore, he did it without signing to anyone
12:10 ThickAsThieves so he says at least
12:11 thestringpuller i wonder how fans select someone to follow in critical mass
12:11 ThickAsThieves same as always
12:11 ThickAsThieves friends and media
12:11 ThickAsThieves and pandora
12:12 ThickAsThieves :)
12:12 thestringpuller like Kesha sucks tho
12:12 ThickAsThieves sure
12:12 thestringpuller but she still sells out venues
12:12 ThickAsThieves thats why 80s-00s ruined shit, they made music a business model, all they needed was a husk amd some writers
12:13 ThickAsThieves 80s not as bad i guess
12:13 ThickAsThieves indie music kinda jived with pop music back then a bit
12:14 ThickAsThieves wtf is with this Disney Frozen popularity
12:14 ThickAsThieves i tried watching it
12:14 ThickAsThieves so badf
12:14 ThickAsThieves like i thought it was a joke
12:14 ThickAsThieves the singing and lyrics are written for a 3yo retard
12:15 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker btce
12:15 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
12:15 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker btc-e
12:15 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
12:15 ThickAsThieves bleh
12:16 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market btce
12:16 gribble BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.8, Best ask: 457.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.19900, Last trade: 457.999, 24 hour volume: 3155.73003, 24 hour low: 456.15302, 24 hour high: 470.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.07651
12:16 ThickAsThieves thx
12:16 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
12:16 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 467.74, vol: 5787.99807629 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 457.999, vol: 3155.73003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 468.72, vol: 3843.13517769 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.173526, vol: 15446.36720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 482.0, vol: 2.09625389 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 478.05505, vol: 54.60290031 | Volume-weighted last average: 466.498196454
12:16 ThickAsThieves now i get the switches
12:17 BingoBoingo Wait is Adrian Petersen here already?
12:18 thestringpuller ThickAsThieves damn that's depressing. rather than discovering talent, we try to manufacture it?
12:21 ThickAsThieves or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators
12:21 ThickAsThieves but i'm not sure that happens as much anymore
12:23 ThickAsThieves either way, i simply dont have the passion for it right now
12:23 thestringpuller seems moot. i'm interested in show biz but yes the passion...
12:23 thestringpuller not there.
12:23 thestringpuller thanks for the talk ThickAsThieves
12:25 ThickAsThieves np, take it fwiw, i'm just one opinionated dude, probly wrong about half what i said
12:31 mircea_popescu <thestringpuller> when did he become an expert on the subject.... << you mean in his own head or irl ?
12:33 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow.
12:34 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators << dude, nobody wants to spend 3 minutes watching a "creator" that's not female, not properly jugged and not properly skinned.
12:34 mircea_popescu they're not husks, they're what people want to look at. women with the udder bulding out.
12:34 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: he is apparently speaking at MIT as an expert and giving away prizes to the freshman...
12:34 thestringpuller i will find you link
12:35 mircea_popescu thestringpuller a better question is who DIDNT speak at mit.
12:35 mircea_popescu max tucker spoke at mit.
12:35 mircea_popescu that lesbian author/activist whatever her name is spoke at mit
12:35 mircea_popescu all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse.
12:35 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/WorldBitcoinNet/status/511645219306356736
12:35 assbot Speaking live in about an hour at MIT http://t.co/qJ1lq7q7Pv, as the first event to introduce the lucky undergrads to their $100 of bitcoin
12:36 mircea_popescu heh k. do the lucky undergrads have to write anything on their tits ?
12:36 thestringpuller i should go to MIT and start a drug business with bitcoin since they've already seeded the coins
12:36 thestringpuller or underage alcohol acquisition
12:37 thestringpuller and no allt he lucky undergrads have to do is be at MIT
12:37 thestringpuller ...
12:47 asciilifeform all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse << nah. yours truly, for instance, has pulse, but will not be invited to speak there. etc
12:48 mircea_popescu you don't understand. A PULSE. that's it.
12:49 mircea_popescu your problem is the excess.
12:50 asciilifeform lol
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2964 @ 0.00075136 = 2.227 BTC [-]
13:07 mircea_popescu so here's a clients from hell idea. art guy sent me proofs for eulora flora/fauna, i could send him an email going
13:08 mircea_popescu "people around the office have seen your drafts, and they have proved very divisive. people can not agree on which are good or better and there have even been arguments. this sort of subversive activity is completely inappropriate for an office setting. i would like you to complete a sensitivity training course for art people."
13:09 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow. < just learn their sekrits
13:12 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ok, teach me obikako
13:12 kakobrekla 1. weekly updates.
13:12 kakobrekla i dont need to go to nb 2 eh
13:14 kakobrekla but seriously, its cheap, for the masses as they stupidly want.
13:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13335 @ 0.000751 = 10.0146 BTC [-]
13:15 kakobrekla like discussed earlier.
13:17 kakobrekla > there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" < does not out by itself, you need to extract the value out
13:19 * mircea_popescu does the international jewish hand gesture.
13:19 Bet placed: 1.25 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 36.35204745 BTC. Current weight: 31,793.
13:19 kakobrekla you asked .
13:21 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
13:21 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 467.21, Best ask: 467.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 467.82, 24 hour volume: 5761.32276708, 24 hour low: 465.31, 24 hour high: 476.64, 24 hour vwap: 470.778225626
13:21 ben_vulpes when's this ether dump?
13:21 mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc.
13:21 mircea_popescu ;;google i will gladly repay you on thursday for an ethereum today
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13:22 mircea_popescu how quickly pop culture forgets.
13:22 kakobrekla its not the whole receptive, but key ingredient.
13:22 kakobrekla eh
13:22 kakobrekla recepie
13:22 kakobrekla autowrong.
13:22 mircea_popescu recipe :D
13:22 kakobrekla not if its for a pie
13:23 mircea_popescu which reminds me, this is the XXVIIIth edition of our show, How Romanian Is Better Than You! Welcome! today, the word tiz.
13:23 mircea_popescu in romanian, all people with the same first name share a relationship. they're each other's tiz (read exactly like tease).
13:23 mircea_popescu meanwhile, all people fucking the same woman also share a relationship. they're sogori
13:24 mircea_popescu so there's a town of sogortiz.
13:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from
13:24 mircea_popescu today's edition of HRIBTY! brought to you by our sponsors, xaomi and gogerty.
13:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, those are the people who suckled the same teat as infants.
13:25 mircea_popescu as opposed to blood brothers, people that did this bizarre knifeplay thing in adolescence
13:25 mircea_popescu or i guess prison.
13:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: according to mother and school - yes. but the term got recycled for that other thing.
13:25 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc. < you know, just ask the chumpatrons.
13:25 mircea_popescu well blood brothers got recycled for gayzors too, but hey. we're purists over here at HRIBTY!
13:26 mircea_popescu kakobrekla problem is all failed chumpatrons claim to have been successful.
13:27 mircea_popescu before it went under, myspace was like whatever, ah so powerful.
13:27 kakobrekla an eagle may not learn from the crow, but humans have learned from others better.
13:27 mircea_popescu a decade ago digg was doing everything reddit is doing today and "winning"
13:27 mircea_popescu etc.
13:28 mircea_popescu i dun particularly wish to learn how to give a very convincing representation of success for a very brief interval.
13:28 kakobrekla since when are we on 'representation'
13:28 kakobrekla also
13:28 kakobrekla how do you measure success
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13:29 mircea_popescu i know ;/
13:29 ben_vulpes just look at how dissimilar those under measure are from me
13:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hm ?
13:30 ben_vulpes bah nm
13:31 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from << Around these parts the term Eskimo Brother is used
13:33 mircea_popescu oh, also, let's do a Romanian Surprisingly Sucks! show. so, romanian does not distinguish between niece (nepoata) and grand daughter (nepoata).
13:34 mircea_popescu nor between throat (git) and neck (git). nor between fingers and toes.
13:35 mircea_popescu it does distinguish underage or unexcited cock (puta) from proper cock (pula), but it does not distinguish underage cock from underage cunt.
13:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: russian - leg==foot, finger==toe
13:36 mircea_popescu romanian tries this foot = laba piciorului, ie leg's paw
13:36 mircea_popescu but in practice it's too long for anyone to bother
13:36 mircea_popescu technically arm = brat ; hand = mina but in practice nobody even knows what brat is
13:38 kakobrekla as sad as it might be, i dont think a nice package ever hurt a good product?
13:39 * mircea_popescu think
13:40 mircea_popescu how about the early macs ?
13:40 mircea_popescu good product, nice package, went nowhere
13:40 midnightmagic Is the language falling into disuse then in its complexities? Like is it simplifying over time?
13:40 kakobrekla cause of package?
13:41 kakobrekla maybe the package wasnt nice?
13:41 mircea_popescu midnightmagic this is a universal phenomenon, since the media heavily favours the more easily influenced members of a population, and they tend to be young, the media discourse then tends to focus on the linguistic abilities of noob speakers.
13:41 mircea_popescu kakobrekla better than competitors at time im sure.
13:43 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: It is universal; some languages are resistant to it, for various reasons. There are some theories on that based around a language's resilience and flexibility, but I thought the population speaking Romanian was large enough to preserve it. It's pretty unfortunate if that's not so. :(
13:43 mircea_popescu romanian is the most flexible language i've ever heard.
13:43 mircea_popescu its defense comes from exactly this flexibility, it's basically a hardened whore. you can abuse it any way you please, for as long as you please,
13:43 mircea_popescu in the end it'll be just fine.
13:43 mircea_popescu takes a shower pretends to be 16 again.
13:44 kakobrekla asciilifeform , expert in this field, did early macs suffer because of their supposed nice package?
13:45 mircea_popescu i thought diametric was teh expert in early macs :D
13:45 midnightmagic Ah. So you're just complaining about how nobody's learning and using its (still-preserved) complexities these days because $stupid_youth..?
13:45 * rithm is an expert at the apple II/e, the last Apple product he owned
13:45 kakobrekla well then diametric can answer.
13:46 mircea_popescu midnightmagic i just made a passing remark :) the way the stupid youth ends up apt is through running into these scattered about.
13:46 asciilifeform kakobrekla: package being what? ui? in a way, they did. recall why ibm pc - similarly costly - ran over the early macs, despite technical inferiority in every sense.
13:46 BingoBoingo http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/010918.html
13:46 rithm my ubuntu desktop just took a total shit from 12.04 to 14.04 and do-release-upgrade
13:47 rithm if that's remotely topical
13:47 rithm macs suck
13:47 kakobrekla i wouldnt limit it to ui but ill take the answer.
13:47 mircea_popescu even the physical machine was nicer
13:47 mircea_popescu in a "better design" sense
13:47 kakobrekla still we are at one, potential case here.
13:47 mircea_popescu early pcs were a nightmare
13:48 mircea_popescu kakobrekla all i need to dispel a universal negative is one example :)
13:48 mike_c BingoBoingo: is this a new discovery for you? I used to love it when HST was writing for page 2
13:48 mike_c there was another good guy who died.
13:48 rithm i know how to open terminal on a mac, though...so that's one thing it has going for it
13:48 mike_c ralph wiley i think
13:48 BingoBoingo mike_c: It's a discovery that ESPN still has this stuff online.
13:48 kakobrekla mircea_popescu dont worry, the next question is did it hurt more than half.
13:48 mike_c page2 used to be really good. then the good writers died and it turned to crap.
13:48 asciilifeform rithm: mac in question here is circa mid-1980s. different animal.
13:49 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I see. Just curious. I know nothing about Romanian, sadly, but I love the weird incompatible concepts that seem to pervade languages like tlingit..
13:49 mircea_popescu kakobrekla what is this supposed to be, business ?!
13:49 kakobrekla i thought it was guessing games.
13:49 rithm i only had the II/e
13:49 mircea_popescu midnightmagic but you speak french ?
13:49 rithm never an actual macintosh with tetris
13:49 rithm we had those in high school
13:49 asciilifeform rithm: II/e - not a mac
13:49 rithm they were good for tetris iirc
13:50 rithm the actual macintosh classics
13:50 rithm it was the original .ru socialist teris too
13:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mac did not fit the cargo-cult spec - defined by ibm, naturally - of 'feeling businessy' - and therefore yes, did suffer from 'nice package.'
13:52 mircea_popescu which is the substance of the disagreement with kako i suspect.
13:52 mircea_popescu i am not willing to allow the "feeling usg-y, feeling fiat-y" package no matter the cost.
13:52 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I can speak it well enough to order a beer, buy groceries, and insult the locals, with a halfway bastardized accent between parisian and quebecois, and I can hear it enough to get about 70% of radio broadcasts and conversational (polite) parisian french, and about 30% of slangy quebecois..
13:52 mircea_popescu they have to start feeling bitcoin-y if i have to personally strangle every single andreas out there.
13:52 rithm i'm only about 25% french reading and hearing
13:53 midnightmagic can I pay to watch that?
13:53 mircea_popescu midnightmagic so then you know a lot about romanian, same latin structure and very close use of voice
13:53 rithm je n'aime pas le poisson
13:53 midnightmagic ah, cool then.
13:53 mircea_popescu midnightmagic you don't have to pay to be on b-a yet.
13:54 kakobrekla also the problem with apple example: bitcoin had a market cap of only a few grand or w/e in 2011. despite being the superior tech solution.
13:54 mircea_popescu why is 2011 the cutoff ?
13:54 kakobrekla why is early mac cutoff?
13:54 mircea_popescu and in 2011 bitcoin was the superior tech solution to a wet sock.
13:54 rithm 2012 was more fun
13:55 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i was discussing the actual product, not the company.
13:55 kakobrekla meh, take the current mkt cap for all i care
13:55 kakobrekla still peanuts.
13:55 mircea_popescu for all i care you can take early macs marketshare in 2011 if it pleases you
13:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: it is important to remember that mac product actually died. it is deader than many other dead things, even, because got hollowed out and taxidermied.
13:55 kakobrekla bitcoin is a product as early mac is a product
13:55 kakobrekla none of those are a company
13:55 mircea_popescu not really.
13:56 mircea_popescu electricity isn't a product even if it isn't a company.
13:56 rithm but like bitcoin 2011 is like mac classic and 2012 is like imac
13:56 mircea_popescu bitcoin is a natural phenomenon.
13:56 kakobrekla but you can measure bitcoin in sold units
13:56 mircea_popescu you can measure love in sold units as well.
13:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: current 'mac os' product is actually 'nextstep' with a new graphical skin.
13:56 kakobrekla asciilifeform the UI lived on right ?
13:56 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i (and perhaps BingoBoingo) would argue that ui disappeared.
13:57 mircea_popescu no, i'm with you, that ui died.
13:57 mircea_popescu and it didn't die because it was either a bad product or badly packaged.
13:57 kakobrekla ok then, no ui, <mircea_popescu> in a "better design" sense
13:57 kakobrekla that.
13:57 mircea_popescu it died for the exact reason the usg will die, no matter how it packages itself, no matter how it argues for its own goodness.
13:58 BingoBoingo The original Mac UI died before even Hypercard
13:58 mircea_popescu it will die because the people that matter dun like its mug.
13:58 asciilifeform /me confesses that he liked it. and recently dug up a mac laptop circa 1999, and enjoyed playing with it.
13:59 xmj UBER back to being allowed in germany -- http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/taxi-konkurrent-uber-darf-in-deutschland-vorerst-weitermachen-13156626.html
13:59 assbot Taxi-Konkurrent Uber darf in Deutschland vorerst weitermachen
14:00 mircea_popescu germany is such a hellhole for monopolistic cab practices
14:00 mircea_popescu kinda why i never lived there, actually.
14:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Did you have the chance to play with "At Ease" on your Mac?
14:00 mircea_popescu some competition'd be spelndid for them
14:00 mircea_popescu "Generals and military scholars will tell you that eight or 10 years is actually not such a long time in the span of human history -- which is no doubt true -- but history also tells us that 10 years of martial law and a war-time economy are going to feel like a Lifetime to people who are in their twenties today. The poor bastards of what will forever be known as Generation Z are doomed to be the first generation of Am
14:00 mircea_popescu ericans who will grow up with a lower standard of living than their parents enjoyed."
14:00 mircea_popescu heh.
14:01 mircea_popescu that drughead is remarkable in that while being wrong on each and every twist and turn, he's globally right with clockwork regularity.
14:03 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> no, i'm with you, that ui died. < well every ui so far died. gui however did not.
14:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There probably a label used for that condition somewhere in the USG, something as an analogue to the soviet "Slowly Progressing Schizophrenia"
14:03 mircea_popescu kakobrekla depending what you mean by "gui" in that snese, cli is a gui. itdoesn't make beeps after all.
14:04 kakobrekla you browse web with lynx?
14:04 kakobrekla bah bad example, that is too much gui
14:05 mircea_popescu bitbet is totally gui for that matter.
14:06 mircea_popescu to the degree someone had to make a proper nongui interface.
14:07 kakobrekla proper cause?
14:07 mircea_popescu but anyway, the solution to the "gui problem" is not to resolve the gui problem but to let it resolve itself. whoever wants a different gui should be supported to make it. skins are too little too high up, but still the right idea.
14:07 kakobrekla how do you measure properness?
14:07 mircea_popescu everyone his own gui is how nature works
14:07 mircea_popescu the interface is called interface for a reason, and to specify it as part of the product is akin to the peacock coming with a set of eyes to look at it with.
14:07 mircea_popescu bring your own eyes.
14:08 mircea_popescu browsers are notably going very far on this basic line, with a "your css" rather than "website's css" approach
14:09 BingoBoingo http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1016761
14:09 assbot ESPN.com: Page 2 : Fear & Loathing<br>on Super Sunday
14:09 The20YearIRCloud is there a bitbet yet for more NFL beatings?
14:09 mircea_popescu doubt it
14:11 * ben_vulpes remembers when macos skinning was a thing
14:11 ben_vulpes barely
14:11 * kakobrekla never has apple product
14:11 kakobrekla has ? had.
14:14 kakobrekla nor did any of my ex gf
14:14 kakobrekla such turnoff.
14:14 The20YearIRCloud i had a iphone for about a month
14:14 The20YearIRCloud sold it for double what i paid, so I was happy
14:14 kakobrekla you should ipo or something
14:14 mircea_popescu i actually got an ipad for checking their market
14:15 mircea_popescu the thing is such a waste. if it weren't made by idiots it could have been surprisinglky cool.
14:15 mircea_popescu honestly i think tablets will suffer a foss revival much like the pc did.
14:16 mircea_popescu (i don't mean the techs that made it were idiots, they were competent. i mean their managers were idiots)
14:17 kakobrekla if mp were the manager, the thing would be surprisinglky cool, no colors supported, cost 18k usd and sold 88 pcs.
14:18 kakobrekla this thing is not made by stupid managers, its made for stupid people.
14:20 mircea_popescu kakobrekla if the thing were made by me you wouldn't have the retarded "this is facebook running on javascript" game market, and the "this is unextensible" view.
14:20 mircea_popescu make the tablet so you can hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends.
14:20 mircea_popescu not so hard.
14:20 mircea_popescu 4 people, flatscreen tv
14:21 mircea_popescu make the tablet so you can put it into a robot. make your own dog, make your own buzz lightyear, make your own fucktoy.
14:21 mircea_popescu the tablet being basically a portable head to attach to anything you want.
14:21 kakobrekla yeah, pretty much what i said.
14:21 mircea_popescu serve the deeply seated human thirst for anthropomorphising
14:22 mircea_popescu and it wouldn't cost 18k either.
14:22 mircea_popescu it'd cost the same 500 or w/e.
14:23 hanbot ipad's just an ebook reader imo
14:24 mircea_popescu the actually functioning touchscreen is the big challenge there, and they solved that. the rest is just trims.
14:24 mircea_popescu hanbot yes, because managerial incompetence.
14:24 mircea_popescu "o, we're going to change the world, watch us make gunpowder fireworks that change the world oooohhh"
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00075084 = 2.0273 BTC [-]
14:25 mircea_popescu the moral being, beat your children. if they don't know how to hate they don't know how to matter.
14:25 kakobrekla 200+ million ipads sold, such poor managers.
14:26 mircea_popescu listen here, you know what else sold 200mn ? that shitty japanese electronic toy thing.
14:26 mircea_popescu you know which ?
14:26 mircea_popescu me either.
14:26 ben_vulpes tamagotchi?
14:26 ben_vulpes :P
14:26 mircea_popescu gotchi.
14:26 kakobrekla dat thing is rad.
14:27 mircea_popescu toothbrushes sell by the billion. what sort of argument is this.
14:27 ben_vulpes i want a portable compute object that plugs into the work station, home station, robot-grocery-carrying-thing
14:27 hanbot mircea_popescu i don't think it's that simple, most people "beating their children" would likely result in the kids hating their parents rather than hating fucking up
14:27 mircea_popescu i imagine 50 million billion trillion chickpeas sold since the dawn of agriculture.
14:27 hanbot not much of a lesson there.
14:27 mircea_popescu hanbot just as long as it's something.
14:27 kakobrekla yes totally poor managers.
14:28 hanbot yeah, well, ipad is *something*, like i said :D
14:28 mircea_popescu the chickpeas you mean ?
14:28 kakobrekla toothbrush and chickpeas are actually useful and needed
14:28 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes and that has a very faint but almost identifiable personality.
14:28 kakobrekla you cant mix it all in one bag
14:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla sale volumes are no indication of management competence.
14:29 kakobrekla well it could suck 200 mio more.
14:29 mircea_popescu how are chickpeas needed anyway. you ever ate any ?
14:30 * hanbot needs chickpeas
14:30 kakobrekla see
14:30 mircea_popescu well yes you. but i am asking him
14:30 mircea_popescu i bet you he doesn't even know what they are :D
14:30 kakobrekla but i also dont use apples.
14:30 mircea_popescu or girls
14:30 mircea_popescu :D
14:30 hanbot they're wrong potatoes improperly fried, right?
14:31 mircea_popescu hanbot no that's papafritas.
14:31 mircea_popescu these are garbanzos
14:40 mircea_popescu $conference
14:40 empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 1 days. Estimated cost today: 2.79069767 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
14:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends << verboten, order of usg dept. of copyrasty (riaa/mpaa/etc)
14:53 mircea_popescu who asked them anything.
14:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who asked them << presumably, apple corp. legal dept.
14:54 mircea_popescu yes well. i am not interested in buying technology made by legal depts.
14:55 mircea_popescu unfortunately the way this works, just exactly when apple grew big enough to fight and win,
14:55 mircea_popescu jobs died.
14:55 mircea_popescu had he not died, he'd have been old and by then formatted.
14:55 mircea_popescu but 1965 jobs'd have said exactly the above.
14:55 mircea_popescu instead he wasted his time fighting idiotic union wars.
14:56 mircea_popescu "o let's push bezos into not paying engineers we shouldn't have hired salaries they shouldn't get anyway"
14:57 mircea_popescu instead of selling diy robots and wall attachment accessories, they tried to make money selling a longer proprietary power cable.
14:57 mircea_popescu ridoinkulous.
14:57 mircea_popescu there should not have existed a raspberry pi if apple had a twinkle of a clue.
14:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bad example, 'pi' is a pseudo-open turd
14:58 mircea_popescu and the cardano should have been implemented on the apple ipad. "just make sure you run it on battery"
14:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol
14:58 mircea_popescu the pi as it claims, i mean, not the pi as it is
14:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ahaha
14:58 mircea_popescu if you keep laughing at me ima summon pesto.
14:59 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gVurt8TjeA << this is pesto.
14:59 assbot Pesto "Swell" - YouTube
15:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: steve jobs - as described in my 'hypercard' piece - was a master of chumpatronics, not of electronics. when he returned from exile, he zapped pretty much all r&d personnel, killed every project, smart or foolish, replaced all apple tech with repainted 'next'.
15:02 mircea_popescu put it in context.
15:02 mircea_popescu the incredibly cheeky engineers in question had the unmitigated audacity to outs him from his own company because "they're merituous"
15:03 mircea_popescu i'd have fired them all too, and impaled a few, extra.
15:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: herr jobs is credited with resurrecting the company, but he actually strangled it and turned the taxidermied skin into a kind of animatronic dinosaur.
15:03 mircea_popescu moral being, tech nec ultra keyboardam
15:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ousted by engineers? afaik it was his immediate subordinates who coordinated his ouster, a la khruschev
15:04 mircea_popescu breaking the barrier between "what we're doing" and "how we're doing it" is unhealthy in all cases
15:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but they were engineers weren't they ?
15:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: engineers? on the board ?
15:07 asciilifeform historical: http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2013/09/09/john-sculley-just-gave-his-most-detailed-account-ever-of-how-steve-jobs-got-fired-from-apple
15:07 assbot John Sculley Just Gave His Most Detailed Account Ever Of How Steve Jobs Got Fired From Apple - Forbes
15:07 mircea_popescu twasnt the board, wasn't it bitching about how the office was going to be ?
15:09 mircea_popescu well sculley is making it all about himself, but no, my (not necessarily very valuable) understanding is that endless friction with various engineering teams over the 80s eventually bubbled up into it
15:09 BingoBoingo I was under the impression the board wanted to turn "IBM" hence a few years of Sears selling "Mac Clones"
15:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that came later.
15:12 mircea_popescu that was more like "ok we're screwed, how do we pretend this wasn't a terrible mistake"
15:12 BingoBoingo Sure, but cum follow desire
15:12 mircea_popescu !up qq1932
15:12 qq1932 hi, mircea
15:12 mircea_popescu ello
15:13 qq1932 I asked you to self-qualify on a basic physics level in PM. Depending on your answer, may have an interesting proposition for you. Unlike the two outside ventures, I am acutally prepared to share 100% of this (privately, due to IP considerations) because it is a discretionary project for me.
15:13 mircea_popescu that's ok, i don't do private anything with people i don't know.
15:13 asciilifeform welcome back mr. spam!
15:14 fluffypony qq1932: make him sign an NDA
15:14 fluffypony otherwise he'll steal your idea and enrich himself and his cronies
15:14 mircea_popescu i only sign nda's with blonde german chicks.
15:14 fluffypony true story
15:14 fluffypony :-P
15:14 qq1932 There is no spam here. I have a remarkable discretionary project. It is open to people who self-qualify as understnading enough high-school physics that, for example, they could have understood the steam engine in 1500. (Or the Watt engine in 1700, 70 years earlier.)
15:14 mircea_popescu and i mean literally. i place a bunch of blonde krautzettes in the shape of my signature on a lawn in which the nda was cut.
15:14 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm going to infer Angela was the blond
15:15 qq1932 Note that energy is a RIPE field for actual scams. This is open to someone self-qualifying as having enough basic high-school physics understanding to see the distinction.
15:15 The20YearIRCloud qq1932: does your project involve time travel?
15:15 BingoBoingo qq1932: Is this the flappy plane idea?
15:15 qq1932 No. It involves literally no unusual principles.
15:15 mircea_popescu qq1932 dude, there's a major difference between "highschool understanding" of any topic and fundamental understanding of such outstanding quality as to recognise fundamentally correct but contemporaneously obscure advances.
15:15 fluffypony is this a lubrication project?
15:15 kakobrekla The20YearIRCloud that actually works.
15:15 mircea_popescu this is why fundamental mathematics only started in 1800.
15:16 mircea_popescu ie, ten fucking millenia after it begun its journey
15:16 The20YearIRCloud he has time travel that works? THen really, really sign me up
15:16 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud tthe problem with it is that it only works one way, and at a fixed speed.
15:16 fluffypony I'm interested in this self-qualification
15:16 fluffypony does it involve hookers and / or blackjack?
15:16 fluffypony because I can do either
15:16 punkman do they still have physics in US high schools?
15:17 The20YearIRCloud yes punkman
15:17 mircea_popescu punkman it's women's physics nao.
15:17 BingoBoingo qq1932: Why do you need a new nick everytime you come here?
15:17 qq1932 mircea, excuse me, I was in PM with BingoBoingo briefly.
15:18 mircea_popescu make sure you let me know if you pee, too.
15:18 fluffypony I was in a pm with BingoBoingo briefly too
15:18 fluffypony but it didn't work out
15:18 fluffypony it's not him, it's me
15:18 mircea_popescu !up flibbr-dev
15:18 mircea_popescu fluffypony maybe you were in pms with bb
15:18 fluffypony heh
15:19 qq1932 mircea_popescu: I disagree with you that it always takes much more than "highschool understanding" of any topic to recognize fundamental innovations that eluded people. In fact, this is the reason a lot of people think the "obvious" bar is too low and no patents should be granted . I had someone tell me that there is no fundamental innovation of any kind in the past 200 years that was not "obvious".
15:19 mircea_popescu good for that someone.
15:19 fluffypony my rap music isn't obvious
15:19 fluffypony mostly becuse it doesn't exist
15:19 fluffypony yet.
15:20 The20YearIRCloud lots of people are like that qq1932 , those are the people that rarely amount to anything
15:20 mircea_popescu meanwhile, the time honored tradition of con artistry is to flatter people who are too stupid to understand how stupid they are by making this confusion, between "highschool understanding" as required to understand well known and widely understood topics, and extremely advanced fundamental understanding required to understand similarly just as simple, but not widely known topics.
15:21 qq1932 mircea_popescu: I can understand this but in this particular case the principles are no more advanced (by comparison) than the Watt steam engine at the time. It's a different field, this is an analogy.
15:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the time honored tradition of con artistry << i call this '10th dimension-ism' in honour of a particularly egregious web-based psycholoscamz0r.
15:21 qq1932 mircea_popescu: I agree with what you're saying, and most innovations in, e.g. battery technology, or fusion reactor design, and so forth, are far too difficult for anyone other than a non-expert to evaluate.
15:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform worked on the same premise ?
15:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: precisely same. diddles the mark's 'feeling educatickled' receptors.
15:23 qq1932 Basically, I agree with you. At any rate anyone who is interested in hearing in this needs to self-qualify as having enough understanding of basic high-school physics that they actually could have understood the Watt steam engine 70 years early, if Watt had described it. If you self-qualify (it sounds, mircea_popescu, that your answer is no) we can discuss. This is a totally discretionary project.
15:23 mircea_popescu works really well picking up women, fwiw.
15:23 mircea_popescu qq1932 what is a "discretionary project" ?
15:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: works well << yes! 'tell me again about the waters of your homeworld.' ('Dune'.)
15:24 mircea_popescu :D
15:24 qq1932 mircea_popescu: I have not committed any resources to it, and cannot commit to full-time work on it; I have two major existing outside commitments. I may not do the project at all.
15:24 mircea_popescu uh.
15:24 qq1932 mircea_popescu: this means, however, that I am at liberty to share 100% of it within hte limits of what IP law permits (as this is a licensing play, like Watt's engine).
15:25 qq1932 mircea_popescu: there is no "secret" component to this, I don't need to hold anything back. Of course, that only matters to those self-qualifying as having enough understnading to discriminate between the Watt's steam engine 70 years early (1700) and snake oil.
15:25 mircea_popescu dude, let me tell you something to help your head calibrate yourself. i recently wrote to a famous illustrator, whose work is celebrated by an actual fanbase and included in successful franchises. he committed, on the basis of that conversation, and the whole thing is costing me bitcoin fractions so far.
15:25 mircea_popescu you are not in the position to even remotely as a joke consider anything but slavish 100% dedication 16 hours a day with no sundays
15:25 mircea_popescu for no pay whatsoever.
15:26 mircea_popescu maybe, and i say MAYBE jobs can come up with "o i dunno, mebbe i feel like working on it" sorta deals
15:26 qq1932 mircea_popescu: well, I am not in a position to drop my other projects to pursue this discretionary project.
15:26 mircea_popescu so then your problem's solved right there.
15:26 qq1932 mircea_popescu: the other projects hvae employees, progress, etc.
15:26 mircea_popescu to put it in other words : harems are for lords.
15:26 bounce pfft. guys, youse got it all rong
15:26 mircea_popescu plebs get one wife, and love her to death.
15:26 mircea_popescu and that IF they're lucky.
15:27 mircea_popescu now s/woman/idea and you get the idea.
15:27 bounce this project needs self realisation. with, of course, copious fees to dear supplicant to make that all happen.
15:27 qq1932 mircea_popescu: I realize that you have self-qualified above with "no". I do not want to convince you based on appeals to authority, collaborators, third-party things, etc. This is a suitable partnership with someone who would self-qualify as 'yes' to the above question. Thank you however.
15:27 mircea_popescu bounce you got previous exposure ?
15:27 bounce it's just updated for the modern age with some ancient-sounding modern physics. best of all worlds, see?
15:28 bounce fuck no, I just got bored of the repetetetetetetetetive sales pitch.
15:28 kakobrekla there are more groups trying to build that scam than there parts needed to supposedly make it.
15:28 mircea_popescu qq1932 i didn't selfanything dood. this ain't about me.
15:29 qq1932 mircea_popescu: I don't know how else to put this. I want to pitch just someone who has the level of physics understanding that they would have understood and funded the Watt engine (as an IP play, which is what it was) in 1700 (70 years early.)
15:29 bounce show of hands. is anybody amused by the pitch? does it anything for you at all?
15:29 qq1932 There is no pitch so far ,sorry.
15:29 punkman reminds me of broken bird
15:29 mircea_popescu this is like free talk therapy.
15:30 mircea_popescu i would submit that the worst invention of the 20th century was not the a bomb, nor the concentration camp, nor statal racism
15:30 kakobrekla if only you could harvest the energy of people trying to make this happen.
15:30 mircea_popescu but the god damned idea that politeness is something that may be afforded to the horde.
15:30 qq1932 It might not be the right audience. I've had interest in other places, but they did not have money. However, I would not like to refer to them, I would really only pitch this specific project, in full, to someone who thinks they have the background, specifically in basic physics.
15:30 bounce .oO( spinning dead energy generation )
15:30 mircea_popescu now they're all going about calling each other sir and acting as if they're fucking people. it's a sickening display.
15:31 mircea_popescu then a generation down the road, you get this derpage.
15:31 qq1932 Would anyone else self-qualify as yes to my question?
15:33 bounce much misreading of audience. wow.
15:33 RagnarDanneskjol yes
15:33 qq1932 People can decide who they are and what they're interested in.
15:33 mircea_popescu i'm off to read romanian seduction websites, bbl.
15:33 kakobrekla (in a gui)
15:35 los_pantalones so is this non-pitch pitch gonna happen or it's only private shows ?
15:35 fluffypony I was hoping for dinner and a show
15:35 fluffypony but alas
15:35 qq1932 los pantalones - I'm afraid nobody has self-qualified as yes to this, so it is not.
15:35 qq1932 but thank you for your time guys.
15:35 los_pantalones RagnarDanneskjol did
15:35 qq1932 oh, I thought he was agreeing with bounce.
15:36 los_pantalones suppose that's possible as well
15:36 RagnarDanneskjol I know physics sure. whatchu got man
15:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00075058 = 7.0555 BTC [-] {3}
15:37 qq1932 here's the deal guys. if you google >patents public disclosure< you will see that there are limits to what can be said in a public channel, since I do not plan on entering the manufacturing field of the project. privately after a brief agreement I can and am happy to share 100%. tihs is part of why I need someone who would self-qualify as being able to discriminate and, e.g., understand the Watt steam engine in 1700.
15:38 bounce too indirect, sorry.
15:38 los_pantalones pass
15:38 qq1932 This project is discretionary for me and if I don't find a backer based on this pre-qualificaiton then it is not happening. I have two other outside commitments that are very serious.
15:38 bounce then it isn't happening. not impressed. sorry.
15:38 RagnarDanneskjol i'll pass thanks
15:39 qq1932 it's okay. Nobody has self-qualified. Without the self-qualification, it 100% sounds like a scam. But then, so would the Watt steam engine.
15:39 mircea_popescu http://arsekick.blogspot.com.ar/2010_07_01_archive.html << this is actually not bad.
15:39 assbot Daily Arse Kick: July 2010
15:39 RagnarDanneskjol !down qq1932
15:39 mircea_popescu "Guilt is sexy. You can really only talk dirty to a person if you have been blessed with guilt."
15:39 bounce also, you're now thoroughly in the "waste of time" bucket by saying the same vapid things five times in a row. of course, our fault. so sorry.
15:45 nubbins` thestringpuller
15:45 thestringpuller ground control to major popescu
15:46 thestringpuller ground control to major nubbins`
15:46 thestringpuller lolol
15:46 nubbins` did you get my message re: shirts?
15:46 thestringpuller did not
15:46 bounce yeah uh, where's the protein pills?
15:47 nubbins` ah.
15:47 thestringpuller one second
15:47 nubbins` the fonts in the .ai file weren't outlined, and i don't have the fonts on my system
15:47 nubbins` so your trademark "TM" thing shows up as Arial, dead-center
15:47 nubbins` which i'm assuming is not what you want
15:48 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2014#829917
15:48 assbot Logged on 16-09-2014 00:24:55; nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts finally arrived, printing films; your design doesn't have text converted to outlines
15:53 mircea_popescu "I had this notion that it would be interesting to meet people from all around the world and show them Galway, but most of the visitors we got were extremely boring eastern Europeans who kept their food in a separate plastic bag and got up early to do yoga."
15:53 mircea_popescu apparently couch surfing isn't all it's cracked up to be
15:58 thestringpuller nubbins` yea i can't get in contact with the designer. He's being really sensitive right now.
15:58 thestringpuller So can you put production on pause for 48 hours?
15:58 thestringpuller until I can resolve this?
15:58 nubbins` no rush on my end :)
15:59 thestringpuller of course :)
15:59 thestringpuller but there is on mine as I might be able to get these into Zumiez
15:59 nubbins` nod
16:04 nubbins` anyway, we're ready whenever. shirts are here, films are printed. should be in the mail within 24h of getting the graphic sorted
16:05 nubbins` i also emailed your buddy the same info fwiw
16:13 thestringpuller yea the buddy is annoying me
16:13 thestringpuller kinda wants to put up a silent treatment and waste my and your time ;)
16:13 thestringpuller when did you email him btw?
16:21 mircea_popescu re kako's "cost 18k usd" thing : a financial economy has one benefit exactly, and that is, making the price point not a consideration anymore.
16:22 mircea_popescu in point of fact people can and do spend 18k just on financing for a car they don't need (either because they live in ny, or because it'd be the 3rd family car etc)
16:22 mircea_popescu the only consideration is if the thing actually costs 18k to make (cars don't really, but the mess of "safety" and "environmental" regulations make the "car" as defined actulaly cost a lot to make)
16:22 mircea_popescu in fact items as expensive as 50k are consumer products just fine, because of the finance economy.
16:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.195 = 0.78 BTC [-] {2}
16:23 mircea_popescu all you really need to do is make life appear unworth living without your 18k tablet, for guaranteed sales well north of 1.8 trillion
16:23 * asciilifeform would much rather see computer cost (and worth) 50k then wheeled coffin
16:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform definitely, i'm not saying barriers must go.
16:25 mircea_popescu the problem of course is the converse situation : products like the btc, wot or gpg, without which life ACTUALLY IS not worth living
16:25 mircea_popescu but which SEEM exactly the contrary.
16:25 * asciilifeform catches up with log, reads the latest mr. spam, and wonders if he's the only one here familiar with traditional 'агентурная работа' tradecraft. i.e. why the bugger wants you (for some value of 'you') alone, in dark alley, and feeling warm & special & 'pre-qualified.'
16:25 asciilifeform and what his plan is for the recruited chump.
16:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform atm just unit testing, im sure.
16:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so classic and textbook, though, it's riotously funny
16:26 bounce no idea about the (probably) cyrillic, but the tactic was pretty obvious down to boring me to tears
16:27 bounce would 'pre-approved for self-qualification' make a decent shirt somehow?
16:27 asciilifeform bounce: the term 'agent work.' refers to how traitors are traditionally recruited by the masters of the 20th century - totalitarian intelligence agencies. (and, arguably, every intelligence worker since cave man)
16:27 mircea_popescu bounce : agenturnaya rabota
16:28 mircea_popescu suddenly transparent
16:28 mircea_popescu russians having invented robots, they get the benefit of seeing things like "worker worker" whenever someone has a worker robot in a game or somewhere.
16:29 asciilifeform czechs.
16:29 mircea_popescu same difference. small small russians right ?
16:29 mircea_popescu ukrainians ^ -1
16:29 bounce on the note of nigerian scammers deliberately writing horrible ingrish to filter out the chumps... what'd the successful scam ratings do if the regulars in -otc would manage to write well-punctuated correct english?
16:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in exactly same sense clit is micropenis
16:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's your idea of teh bohemian kingdom ?
16:30 mircea_popescu bounce make a new -otc
16:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: habsburg affair, doesn't smell very slavic to me
16:31 mircea_popescu because the current one "wrongly vaporized" or w/e was gmaxwell's expression.
16:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well what, germans ?!
16:31 bounce o_O?
16:31 asciilifeform germans.
16:32 mircea_popescu in that case lombards are germans too ?!
16:32 mircea_popescu your idea of germanity is perhaps very similar to napoleon's
16:33 mircea_popescu "well they're not corsicans, i'll tell you that! so..."
16:33 asciilifeform orcs vs humans!
16:33 bounce cheesy argument
16:33 asciilifeform agenturnaya rabota >> in english lands, called, afaik, 'HUMINT.'
16:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform funny linguistic trainwreck : during the early 1990s, the leftover us derps tried to organise the maidan thing in romania too. it was called "miscarea piata universitatii", dunno why the fixation on "plaza" in the name.
16:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: simple heuristic. folks who incorrigibly piss in apartment lobbies, elevators - 'orcs.' those who don't - 'humans', or 'germans' if you like.
16:35 mircea_popescu it failed horribly, the cryptocommie in charge brought some miners from mining country to beat the shit out of the "intellectuals" and assorted aggitators
16:36 asciilifeform aha 'colour revolution.'
16:36 bounce HUMINT is anything to do with running human agents
16:36 mircea_popescu but, on his tv address, he blamed "foreign agenturas", ie, agenturile straine
16:36 asciilifeform bounce: yes.
16:36 bounce google books really excels in being fscking useless
16:36 mircea_popescu which is ridiculous, because in romanian that says "the russians" which were his backers mostly.
16:36 asciilifeform bounce: but before you can 'run' them, have to recruit.
16:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your pissing theory is weak because singapore went from one to the other over one generation.
16:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not necessarily a zapped theory, just needs a little 'epicycle.' that being: orc and human exist in dynamic equilibrium; 'orcish' land has a trace element of 'human' and vice versa
16:38 asciilifeform so they can in principle flip.
16:38 asciilifeform even without an anthropological 'cleaning' (read megadeath)
16:38 RagnarDanneskjol ha
16:38 mircea_popescu same people tho.
16:39 chetty asciilifeform, whats the russian word for germans actually mean?
16:39 mircea_popescu basically it masquerades as an ontology when it's merely phenomenology is my objection.
16:39 mircea_popescu nemtzi ?
16:39 asciilifeform chetty, mircea_popescu: 'the mute people'
16:39 chetty :P
16:39 asciilifeform think origins of word 'barbarian'
16:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, as far as romanians are concerned, russians (muscali) have tails.
16:40 mircea_popescu ;;google muscali cu coada
16:40 gribble Calare pe melc: <http://calarepemelc.ro/>; Prea multe urlete Mercantia 2014- vlog ! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilLxHrZJ8sU>; Dan Constantin Soroiu | Facebook: <https://ro-ro.facebook.com/danconstantin.soroiu>
16:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: москали, lol
16:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the ukrs lifted it, too
16:40 asciilifeform but it also is used by provincial folks to gripe about the capital & the central gov. in general. approx. 'damned muscovites'
16:41 asciilifeform same as how many people in usa refer to usg tentacle monster as 'washington'
16:41 asciilifeform even though in reality it is reasonably spread out geographically
16:41 mircea_popescu maryland doesn't have the same ring to it
16:41 mircea_popescu and it'd be hostile to women
16:41 chetty I suppose we are doing the same thing with things like libtards
16:42 mircea_popescu similarly to how noobs and "journalist" derps talk of wall street
16:42 mircea_popescu when it's really connecticut and hampton
16:43 bounce "liberal" sounds right-wing to me, as in non-labour. but then, us politics are right-shifted compared to pinko-commie treehugging yurpeen politics.
16:43 mircea_popescu my peen is righter shifted than your peen
16:44 bounce (how ironic that the USA effectively has a single party left. alright, two names and a dissident faction, but the politics are still muchly one party.)
16:45 mircea_popescu not particularly ironic
16:45 mircea_popescu all places devoid of property end up with a state-party system
16:45 asciilifeform ;;google palace economies
16:45 gribble Palace economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy>; "Palace economy" In: The Encyclopedia of Ancient History: <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah06237/pdf>; Redistribution in Aegean Palatial Societies | American Journal of ...: <http://www.ajaonline.org/forum/905>
16:46 mircea_popescu such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement
16:46 chetty <mircea_popescu> such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement//cough cough choke
16:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: civilopaedia! 'you have developed Monarchy! can now move on from Despotism.'
16:48 bounce what makes a palace economy? >50% of the population on the dole?
16:48 mircea_popescu that end up is not even correct. they are. pretense to the contrary won't long endure.
16:49 mircea_popescu bounce know anyone that did fundamental research on his own account since ww2 ?
16:50 asciilifeform bounce: palace economy is any system where the crown is the (or even 'a') first-class financial, economic, cultural - player.
16:51 asciilifeform but literally - anywhere goods are delivered mainly to - and distributed mainly from - the palace.
16:53 bounce wikipedia says we left the last of those behind in the bronze age. so if the argument goes those things are still around (and they could well be, the eu likes this too for one) then we still need a useful classifier
16:56 BingoBoingo bounce: Well, who feeds the wikipedos?
16:56 bounce little wikichildren nobody thinks about
16:57 BingoBoingo No, that's what they are fed.
17:01 BingoBoingo ;;google wikipedia "Suite A"
17:01 gribble NSA Suite A Cryptography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_Suite_A_Cryptography>; Suite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite>; Suite (music) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite_(music)>
17:07 bounce oh, our physics peddler is taking it to -otc
17:07 kakobrekla from blockr guys under coinbase; http://blog.coinbase.com/post/97671295752/introducing-toshi-an-open-source-bitcoin-node-for
17:07 assbot The Coinbase Blog Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers
17:15 BingoBoingo Interesting kakobrekla
17:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 232 @ 0.18361788 = 42.5993 BTC [-] {8}
17:18 kakobrekla good part: works w/o bitcoind
17:23 BingoBoingo Yeah. Also it seems to not have its own wallt implementation, or at least the press release doesn't mention one which is a plus.
17:28 kakobrekla no wallet.
17:39 BingoBoingo Always nice to have more node options that don't care where the transactions they push come from
17:45 thestringpuller "nodes without wallets"
17:45 thestringpuller like "reporters without borders"
17:46 kdomanski ;;ud sneaky rafiki
17:46 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneaky%20Rafiki | Jan 6, 2008 ... Guy 1: Dude I gave Jess a sneaky rafiki last night! Guy 2: ...... That's fucked up man.. *gives huge high five*. by dirty old man dan March 18, ...
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18:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00196998 = 0.5417 BTC [-]
19:00 jurov <mircea_popescu> ... make your own fucktoy << you know,this reviled IBM PC was practically opensource and fully extensible hardware
19:00 jurov even the most complicated part of it , the [234]86 was independently replicated
19:01 jurov you see for youself what happened to it anyway.
19:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00074945 = 11.8413 BTC [-]
19:13 jurov 'the mute people'<< same here, additionally "šváb" (Swabian) and "rus" (Russian) are both widely names for cockroach species
19:13 jurov *widely used
19:14 jurov Swabians vaguely means Germans
19:17 jurov lol actually there is more
19:17 kakobrekla švab is german here also.
19:17 jurov Šváb obyčajný = Blatta orientalis
19:18 jurov Rus domový= Blatella germanica (wtf)
19:18 jurov and of course Šváb americký = Periplaneta americana
19:21 jurov so, both east (near and far) and west got equal recognition.
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19:57 TheNewDeal curious to see if anyone knows how http://bitcoincharts.com/ calculates network hashrate. Looked around a little and couldnt find the answer
19:57 assbot Bitcoin Charts
20:01 mike_c kakobrekla: is toshi what was/is powering blockr?
20:01 kakobrekla mike_c nope
20:01 mircea_popescu soo, i went to check out this bitcoin embassy thing
20:01 mircea_popescu anyone want to see pictures ?
20:02 BingoBoingo Sure, isn't this what Trilema's for?
20:04 mircea_popescu jurov> you see for youself what happened to it anyway. << it took over and set the course of computer history ?
20:04 jurov yes. and everyone hates it
20:05 BingoBoingo https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Fan_death
20:05 assbot Fan death - Encyclopedia Dramatica
20:06 mircea_popescu lol the american svab. not bad.
20:06 asciilifeform jurov: we had 'prussian' roaches.
20:07 mircea_popescu jurov not being hated is a slave's aspiration.
20:09 jurov yes, but still it clouds judgment of people like asciilifeform
20:10 jurov if i understand him cirrectly, ibm pc destroyed better architectures
20:10 asciilifeform jurov: nope.
20:12 asciilifeform the maggots are rarely the murder weapon.
20:13 jurov maggots.
20:14 BingoBoingo Often the maggots seem like their are try to help. "Oh here's some necrotic tissue to debride!"
20:15 jurov mircea see? which manager is going to do such thing, only to get it labeled maggots by his peers?
20:16 asciilifeform jurov: x86 is not scar tissue because it is popular, but because it genuinely sucks, and sucked from day 1 compared to virtually all known alternatives.
20:16 mircea_popescu a peerless one ?
20:17 jurov only peerless one
20:18 mircea_popescu !up Uohz_
20:19 jurov i now have better understanding why jobs had to humiliate engineers to get what he wanted
20:19 mircea_popescu do tell?
20:20 jurov As early as 1987, the New York Times wrote: "by the early 80's, Mr. Jobs was widely hated at Apple. Senior management had to endure his temper tantrums. He created resentment among employees by turning some into stars and insulting others, often reducing them to tears. Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry after fights with fellow executives".
20:21 mircea_popescu oh, so sculley wasn't telling it like it was huh.
20:21 mike_c elmo had four ducks
20:21 asciilifeform Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry << gotta be a hatchet job
20:22 BingoBoingo ;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/
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20:22 assbot P2Pool
20:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:24 asciilifeform http://a.pomf.se/wvukav.webm << mega-lol
20:24 X-Rob BingoBoingo: I can try aiming there again if you want
20:24 X-Rob let's have a look
20:25 BingoBoingo X-Rob: Might as well.
20:25 X-Rob share difficulty of 188 is still going to be bad
20:25 X-Rob but, let's see what happens
20:25 BingoBoingo Your hash should drive it up.
20:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.18481285 = 2.5874 BTC [-] {6}
20:26 BingoBoingo I've also only got a bit more than 22 hours of rented hash left
20:27 BingoBoingo Hopefully this thing plays well with different workers mining to the same address.
20:27 X-Rob OK, that's better. It's now accepting shares at 1024 when I ask it to
20:27 X-Rob it's still resetting every couple of seconds, but, that's just how p2pool works
20:28 X-Rob it appears to be better
20:28 X-Rob albiet still sub-optimal
20:28 X-Rob but that'
20:28 X-Rob s a p2pool limitation now
20:29 BingoBoingo X-Rob: But still, more transparent than alternatives. When chalbersma get on feel free to suggest some optimizations if you can think of any.
20:29 X-Rob there aren't any
20:29 BingoBoingo Cool
20:29 X-Rob this is now as good as it's going to get 8)
20:29 X-Rob Well
20:30 X-Rob ... maybe it could be better
20:30 X-Rob Hmm
20:30 X-Rob What I'm seeing on the dashboard is not what I"m seeing when submitting shares.
20:30 BingoBoingo I have to say this is probably the most consistent rented hash I've ever had it seems. The 600GH/s pointed at it nao
20:30 mircea_popescu X-Rob so why does it suck ?
20:31 X-Rob mircea_popescu: I don't think I used the word suck.
20:31 X-Rob And If I did, I shouldn't have.
20:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.183 = 7.869 BTC [-]
20:32 mircea_popescu kay, so why's it suboptimal ?
20:32 X-Rob Assume 'asic reset time' = ... 500msec. That happens whenver the pool says 'discard all your work, I have a new block with a new coinbase'
20:33 X-Rob on a non-p2pool pool, that happens once every block
20:33 mike_c so catchy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LEYwoooVfw
20:33 assbot Sesame Street: Elmo's Ducks - YouTube
20:33 X-Rob so every 10 minutes, 500msec of hashing is thrown away
20:33 X-Rob that's not that bad.
20:33 mircea_popescu and on a p2pool ?
20:33 X-Rob but p2pool has sharechains. The sharechains is, according to p2pool, a new block
20:34 X-Rob so every n seconds a share is found (Which, currently, is about 8k or so, looking at when I'm getting resets sent through)
20:34 X-Rob I'm submitting a valid share every.. 10 seconds or so
20:34 mircea_popescu so every 8k seconds ?
20:34 asciilifeform mike_c: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCTL69saJVQ
20:34 assbot 10 Orks (subtitle eng) - YouTube
20:34 X-Rob I'm finding a block with a difficulty of 8k every 10 seconds.
20:34 mircea_popescu ah
20:35 mircea_popescu so 60x as much wastage ?
20:35 mircea_popescu this is hopeless.
20:35 X-Rob which means every 10 seconds, I (and all the rest of the miners) get told to discard everythign they're working on
20:35 X-Rob yes.
20:35 cazalla cryptsy users about to get btfo with spam "Cryptsy will actively promote digitalX Mintsy to its customer base of over 250,000 registered users, who currently trade over 200 different types of digital currencies, making the site a leader in digital currency trading."
20:35 X-Rob mircea_popescu: This is POSSIBLY just because this p2pool doesn't have any history on block time
20:35 X-Rob let's see how it goes after it finds a block
20:35 mircea_popescu cazalla i wanna meet the followers for all these leaders. america, the land of the 99 leaders to the duck.
20:36 BingoBoingo X-Rob: It's found 5
20:37 X-Rob Hmmm
20:37 mike_c asciilifeform: I'll try it on my son tomorrow night and let you know how it goes
20:37 asciilifeform mike_c: that song is about pretty much every place i've ever worked.
20:37 mike_c i like it :)
20:40 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_3sS0rTCo << same deal.
20:40 assbot Un elefant se legana ... TraLaLa - YouTube
20:42 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-tech-sp-35/
20:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these are ascending
20:42 mircea_popescu romanian optimism.
20:43 asciilifeform 'our [soviet] elephants - largest in the world!' - unknown wag
20:46 BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfNdwFwV6Ao << Traditional Anglo Lullaby
20:46 assbot TEN LITTLE NIGGER BOYS - YouTube
20:47 BingoBoingo I think every culture has its own countdown from 10 song
20:50 mike_c diff
20:50 mike_c sry
20:52 RagnarDanneskjol re p2pool - like I said: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807513
20:52 assbot Logged on 24-08-2014 12:58:47; RagnarDanneskjol: going to try multiple options - prolly mpos cuz p2pool sux hairy balls
20:52 kakobrekla BingoBoingo : monte negros only goes down to 7.
20:54 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: If it wasn't a badbet I'd suggest maor white Americans get ebola y Jan 1st 2015 than black Americans. Seems safe since they already have the lead.
20:55 kakobrekla anyone knows what is the record for male 100m sprint in Montenegro?
20:55 kakobrekla fine, ill tell you. its 44 meters.
20:55 RagnarDanneskjol BingoBoingo - what is the name of the miners you are using - if its gonna stop tomorow, I might take it over so there's more than one miner on the pool. and I assume rob isnt planning to keep his running 24/7 indefinitely, right?
20:57 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/6653
20:57 assbot Mining Rig Rentals | Rigs
20:57 RagnarDanneskjol thank. have a contact name?
20:58 BingoBoingo Just that the page lists and owner name. Other rigs might be a better value.
20:59 RagnarDanneskjol ok. just looking for reliability at this point.
20:59 X-Rob [2014-09-17 10:58:20] Accepted 34998985 Diff 1.25K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3
20:59 X-Rob [2014-09-17 10:58:22] Accepted 18493fe2 Diff 2.7K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3
20:59 X-Rob [2014-09-17 10:58:25] Accepted 15f9f3ce Diff 2.98K/1024 AV2 0 pool 3
20:59 X-Rob [2014-09-17 10:58:29] Found block for pool 3!
20:59 X-Rob [2014-09-17 10:58:29] Stratum from pool 3 requested work restart
20:59 X-Rob [2014-09-17 10:58:29] Accepted 04b43970 Diff 3.57M/1024 BLOCK! AV2 0 pool 3
20:59 X-Rob [2014-09-17 10:58:33] Stratum from pool 3 detected new block
20:59 X-Rob
21:01 mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol 44 metres ??
21:01 kakobrekla thats the record. :)
21:03 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: A big thing with p2pool seems to be finding miners that play nicely with it. Antminer S2's suck, but S1's and S3's are ok. Other rigs are somewhat trial and error in my limited research.
21:03 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://photo.oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051614147 << just for you. 'ballerina at the machine.'
21:03 assbot -
21:06 RagnarDanneskjol ahh - interesting. this I did not know
21:08 RagnarDanneskjol !up RagnarsBitch
21:08 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Well complicating this is also that other than Antminers I dunno what mining hardware is actually shipping in quantity
21:09 RagnarsBitch OK. I will do some research then
21:12 BingoBoingo RagnarsBitch: Also with that site... It just functions as a sort of Ebay trying to be a "dumb" middleman so contacting rig owners off their paltform is a hassel
21:14 RagnarsBitch Ohhh. So like nicehash. That is good to know..I missed that
21:17 BingoBoingo RagnarsBitch: There seem to be a few of these sites. It was just the first one mentioned when the constipation crisis happened. I think Blazedout419 brought it up
21:17 BingoBoingo !up Blazedout419
21:17 chalbersma @Ragnar did someone else add hashing power to the nodes?
21:17 mircea_popescu %p
21:18 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
21:18 atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 73.30 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s
21:18 mircea_popescu %d
21:18 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 293762.94 in 1081 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.36
21:18 BingoBoingo chalbersma: X-Rob just pointed his over
21:18 chalbersma Nice
21:19 BingoBoingo chalbersma: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#831691 is where to do the quick catching up
21:19 assbot Logged on 17-09-2014 00:22:07; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/
21:20 X-Rob heh
21:20 X-Rob The share difficulty is better, chalbersma, btw
21:20 X-Rob the gui is saying it's still small, but it seems to be only asking for resets at about 12k now
21:20 X-Rob Block!
21:20 BingoBoingo Oh, fixing the share difficulty was in part my bashing hash into the pool unproductively for a while's result
21:21 X-Rob BingoBoingo: nah
21:21 BingoBoingo Fuck Yeah
21:21 X-Rob It wasn't accepting +diff before
21:21 X-Rob and now it is
21:21 X-Rob that was the first major fix that chalbersma did
21:21 chalbersma Everybody loves a block.
21:21 chalbersma X-Rob I looked it up. It will accept +diff but there's a maximum + you can go up. going 1024 when diff was 1 was too much.
21:22 BingoBoingo X-Rob: Well, maybe a mix. For a while there were 0.002 second share times.
21:22 X-Rob chalbersma: Hmmm. Anyway, it's working fine now with +1024
21:22 X-Rob and that's the important thing.
21:23 chalbersma Indeed
21:23 BingoBoingo !s blogger.com
21:23 assbot 2 results for 'blogger.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=blogger.com
21:23 X-Rob The pool still has its share difficulty way too low.
21:24 chalbersma Ya when you look at p2pool in Bitcoin nobody has a share of the network like you and Bingo do.
21:24 BingoBoingo chalbersma: Now you need to coordinate with mod6 to get the pool added to:
21:24 BingoBoingo %p
21:24 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
21:24 atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 109.95 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.34 TH/s
21:24 mircea_popescu o look it dropped :D
21:25 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think an iSpace miner may have defected to this new pool
21:30 nubbins` http://dollar.fail
21:30 assbot Bitcoin - Open source P2P money
21:30 nubbins` lel
21:31 mircea_popescu Bitcoin.org is the original domain name used with the first Bitcoin website. It was registered and is still managed by Bitcoin core developers and by additional community members, with the input of Bitcoin communities. Bitcoin.org is not an official website. Just like nobody owns the email technology, nobody owns the Bitcoin network. As such, nobody can speak with authority in the name of Bitcoin.
21:31 mircea_popescu much better.
21:32 asciilifeform and where goes bitcoin.fail ?
21:32 mircea_popescu there.
21:32 mircea_popescu oh
21:32 mircea_popescu lol.
21:32 mircea_popescu some derp wanting to sell it.
21:32 nubbins` to some guy hawking domain names
21:32 mircea_popescu phil@bitcoin.ink
21:32 nubbins` phil's got money to burn
21:34 mircea_popescu no you don't understand investing
21:34 mircea_popescu it's not burned if there's hope
21:34 nubbins` o o
21:35 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/more-visuals-from-buenos-aires/
21:36 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ^
21:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Thanks, I might have to meet this Parrot guy
21:40 BingoBoingo !up RagnarsBitch
21:42 nubbins` maybe he can get you into the embassy
21:42 nubbins` i think there's a guy in montreal with one of those as well
21:47 nubbins` http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15576/bracing-bitcoin-buenos-aires/
21:47 assbot Bracing for Bitcoin In Argentina
21:55 mircea_popescu orly.
21:57 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/09/16/what-in-the-world-were-those-white-objects-hovering-over-washington-d-c/ << they're watching
21:57 assbot What in the world were those white objects hovering over Washington, D.C.?
21:58 Bet placed: 3.14590287 BTC for No on "Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/775/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.27138403 BTC. Current weight: 31,667.
21:58 asciilifeform these were announced some time last month, i think.
21:59 decimation asciilifeform: yeah but it turns out it wasn't the 'radar blimps'
21:59 decimation it's some other unit of usg doing spending money it doesn't have
21:59 asciilifeform or amateurs, testing the waters.
21:59 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
21:59 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 462.62, Best ask: 463.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 463.5, 24 hour volume: 5304.89306353, 24 hour low: 462.0, 24 hour high: 473.69, 24 hour vwap: 467.803999969
22:02 asciilifeform http://www.popville.com/2014/03/about-that-balloon-in-the-sky-over-dupont << from comments, reference to commercial balloon service which is sometimes used in the city.
22:02 assbot About that Balloon in the Sky Over Dupont | PoPville
22:02 decimation perhaps it's the humble beginnings of the Ugandan space program: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html
22:02 assbot Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts
22:03 decimation why the hell does a 'height master plan' need a balloon for photography?
22:03 asciilifeform balloon-monger gotta eat.
22:04 decimation maybe they can sell balloons to zambia
22:04 decimation actually a well engineered balloon system would be a great 'pauper's space program'
22:04 asciilifeform http://www.amazon.com/dia-Professional-Weather-Balloon-green/dp/B00DWG25E8 << not a military secret. buy all you want.
22:04 assbot Amazon.com : 8 ft. dia. Professional Weather Balloon, 150g (green) : Weather Stations : Patio, Lawn & Garden
22:05 asciilifeform problem is, these pop (by design) at a certain height.
22:05 decimation yeah ideally you want it to adjust its height so it can use the winds to station-keep indefinitely
22:06 asciilifeform obligatory:
22:06 asciilifeform http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/forensic_geology/japenese%20vengenance%20bombs%20new.htm
22:06 asciilifeform (winds, stationkeeping, got it all...)
22:06 decimation plus submarines!
22:07 asciilifeform all this, with 19th c. tech.
22:07 asciilifeform not even rubber.
22:08 decimation my understanding is that the japanese were actually very close to a working nuke bomb
22:09 asciilifeform decimation: not so much close to an actual physical unit, but had the correct approach (vs. german heavy water.)
22:09 decimation submarine + bigass balloon + nuke = megadeath
22:10 asciilifeform afaik they flew from japan proper.
22:10 asciilifeform no subs required.
22:10 mircea_popescu get out of here, atom bomb baloons
22:11 asciilifeform temperamental machines, they were, not where you'd stuff a precious handmade '40s nuke
22:11 asciilifeform but - cheap.
22:11 asciilifeform 'cheap & angry'
22:11 decimation yeah you are right, I guess the submarines were just a hypothesis (although could still be true, sand from beach, launched from sub)
22:11 decimation yeah I'm not sure that the rubber/plastic technology of the age could have made a big enough balloon
22:12 decimation or set of balloons
22:12 asciilifeform decimation: dirigible.
22:12 decimation I think we had a conversation about cow guts being a military secret in germany
22:14 decimation http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/other-wwi-aviation/59492-how-many-cows-does-take-build-zeppelin.html
22:14 assbot How many cows does it take to build a Zeppelin?
22:14 mircea_popescu decimation not the rubber, not the gas (how do you get helium on a sub ?)
22:14 mircea_popescu etc
22:14 decimation in theory one could produce hydrogen from the seawater with lots of energy
22:15 asciilifeform He on a sub - nuttery. H on the other hand...
22:15 mircea_popescu yeah glwt
22:15 mircea_popescu it burns because it gets bored.
22:15 decimation heh yeah
22:15 mircea_popescu why not make azide baloon then
22:15 BingoBoingo Because touching the balloon would set it off?
22:15 mircea_popescu but even for the hell of it - calculate the sub that can carry the diesel engine that can make the electricity thyat can fill a baloon
22:16 decimation It would probably be best to build a couple devices and stuff them on airplanes that are stuffed into submarines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400-class_submarine
22:16 assbot I-400-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:17 decimation of course the actual devices used by the us could never be carried by such light aircraft
22:17 mircea_popescu decimation you're starting to sound like the hershey bar guy
22:17 mircea_popescu "let's make a flying galleon!11"
22:17 decimation hehe
22:17 decimation I have a proposition for you but you need to self-select into a watt engine between 500-700 years ago
22:17 asciilifeform obligatory:
22:17 asciilifeform http://adlittlechronicles.blogspot.com/2008/07/of-silk-purses-and-lead-balloons.html
22:17 assbot ADL Chronicles: Of Silk Purses and Lead Balloons
22:18 mircea_popescu lmao
22:18 mircea_popescu i actually invented watt engines 750 years ago, over a coffee chat with twinklebros
22:19 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.48303586 BTC. Current weight: 81,841.
22:19 decimation but zuckerberg stole the idea because he googled 'im stealin ur patents'
22:19 Bet placed: 2.00999999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.36780981 BTC. Current weight: 45,590.
22:19 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.61117835 BTC. Current weight: 26,076.
22:19 mircea_popescu no, watt did
22:19 decimation no he was a front for zuck's sister
22:22 decimation I'm looking forward to facebook's space program http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/14/facebook-hires-satellite-executive-from-google/
22:22 assbot Facebook Hires Satellite Executive from Google - Digits - WSJ
22:24 decimation actually for what facebook wasted on whatsapp, they could have had a really nice little satellite constellation (assuming they had the will to engineer it properly)
22:24 mircea_popescu http://www.8btc.com/everyones-a-scammer
22:24 mircea_popescu glonass didn't cost 20 bn, and it;'s afaik better than the gps stuff
22:27 decimation herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2
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22:27 assbot A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away
22:27 mircea_popescu !up DiabloD3
22:28 mircea_popescu decimation you should see what the gas cost them
22:28 mircea_popescu if anyone can read chinese, wtf is 自愿持有那些法币臭狗屎
22:28 mircea_popescu something with dogshit in it
22:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.199 = 0.597 BTC [+]
22:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
22:33 asciilifeform $13k 1945 dollars per V2 << lol! the ultimate 'confusion between the warm and the soft things.'
22:33 Bet placed: 3.01 BTC for No on "BitPay closed before the end of the year" http://bitbet.us/bet/757/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.26346298 BTC. Current weight: 27,079.
22:33 asciilifeform vile 20th century broke many good things, incl. fungibility of money.
22:34 decimation asciilifeform: this is true. But even at 1000x that price, you can buy many rockets for $19bn today
22:34 asciilifeform how many circa 2014 u.s. dollars buy $1 of circa 1905 german chemistry? and wtf does that even mean.
22:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform % of total world still works as a comparison term.
22:36 asciilifeform 19bn bezzlars? try to spend that much empty paper and buy one rocket.
22:36 mircea_popescu 1% of earth is worth 1% of earth at any point in time.
22:36 asciilifeform not sure 19bn buys 1% of earth unless in the form of briefcases loaded with bejies
22:36 mircea_popescu well notrly, buy bitcoin for it, then buy the rocket :D
22:36 asciilifeform *benj
22:37 asciilifeform sure. but same applies. can't be in, e.g., 'yahoo' stock.
22:37 cazalla hilarious, top video on reddit, guy getting jacked at gun point in where else but Buenos Aires
22:37 mircea_popescu no wai.
22:37 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY
22:37 assbot Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube
22:37 mircea_popescu this has so got to be fake
22:37 decimation the way the nazis got there was partially by making von braun the personal dictator of their rocket program and partialy by slave labor
22:37 cazalla and this is like 5 mins after reading your article
22:37 decimation neither of which are available today
22:38 mircea_popescu where the fuck is he
22:39 mircea_popescu looks like baracas or something
22:40 The20YearIRCloud Glonass is better than GPS
22:40 decimation it seems that there is a division between those who are rich in bezzlars and those who could use them to do something worthwhile
22:40 asciilifeform decimation: as per very definition of bezzlar.
22:40 mircea_popescu lmao that guy has no future as a robber
22:41 mircea_popescu pull that shit on the wrong guy he'd have fed him his pistol by now
22:41 asciilifeform reddit >> http://a.pomf.se/wvukav.webm
22:42 cazalla mircea_popescu, apparently La Boca
22:42 decimation I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the glonass wagon: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2139300/russias-glonass-gps-system-suffers-major-disruption.html
22:42 assbot Russia's Glonass GPS system suffers major disruption | PCWorld
22:42 mircea_popescu Berta Lovejoy1 hour ago
22:42 mircea_popescu
22:42 mircea_popescu This is why I say that all men should have an annual mandatory mental checkup. Over 80% of inmates are men, and 40% of the global male population ends up in prison at some point in their life. It is clear that they have some sort of genetic defect that makes them act irresponsibly and end up putting others at risk. Peace and civility can only be achieved if we ensure that the male population has a normal functioning st
22:42 mircea_popescu ate of mind.
22:42 mircea_popescu lawl.
22:43 The20YearIRCloud There was supposed to be a ? After what I said. Glonass has been very problematic. When it works its great but way more unreliable than GPS
22:43 The20YearIRCloud GPS has essentially had 100% uptime since the 80s. Glonass started in 1976 and hasn't worked correctly till about 2004
22:43 mircea_popescu i've not been following it too closely.
22:43 decimation mircea_popescu: report to your local reeducation camp to adjust your mental health
22:43 mircea_popescu but afaik they mostly fixed it.
22:44 asciilifeform it'll get 100% uptime when the last wintel box in russia is ceremonially burned.
22:44 mircea_popescu decimation or i could just bitchslap her if she starts droning around me
22:44 mircea_popescu either way.
22:44 The20YearIRCloud The joys of feminazidom
22:44 asciilifeform hasn't worked correctly till about 2004 >> imperial collapse isn't terribly great for satellite constellations. as usa will soon discover.
22:45 asciilifeform (along with vassal states)
22:45 The20YearIRCloud What's median lifespan of a GPS satellite? Last time I checked it was over 30 years
22:45 asciilifeform nope.
22:45 asciilifeform rated life ~= 10 yrs. (optimal)
22:45 The20YearIRCloud Even with collapse the constellation has good working chances through 2050
22:46 BingoBoingo The20YearIRCloud: I dun think you know how frequently GPS satellites get replaced
22:46 asciilifeform 5-7 yrs. in practice
22:46 asciilifeform and this is without any banana dictator deciding one day to play selective-access games with the machines.
22:47 mircea_popescu did you just make a racist remark @obama ?
22:47 decimation the details behind the glonass outage: http://gpsworld.com/the-system-glonass-in-april-what-went-wrong/
22:47 assbot The System: GLONASS in April, What Went Wrong : GPS World
22:47 asciilifeform http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/07/video-russian-laser-show-features-obama-sucking-on-a-banana
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22:47 assbot VIDEO: Russian Laser Show Features Obama Sucking on a Banana
22:48 mircea_popescu cazalla http://www.expanish.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Buenos-Aires-barrios1.gif
22:48 mircea_popescu i am in awe of my geolocation skills
22:49 decimation BingoBoingo: I think they try to keep a few 'spares' in orbit
22:49 cazalla mircea_popescu, close! but no cigar as they say :P
22:49 BingoBoingo decimation: Sure, but if the lifespan is so poor...
22:49 mircea_popescu a decade in outerspace is no kind of poor !
22:50 decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WHG_GgKdI
22:50 assbot Rocket Carrying GPS 2R Satellite Explodes - YouTube
22:54 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: A decade would be an abysmal lifespan for a book
22:58 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
22:58 gribble Current Blocks: 321076 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1483 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 42 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33634858035.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.75615
23:04 TheNewDeal I may be wrong, but, the other day I think the topic of french woment showing their tits as part of some feminist revolution was discussed in here? Anyway here's a video that should provide some lulz. Forewarning, it's 10 minutes long, and retarded http://www.upworthy.com/a-french-film-showing-men-what-being-a-woman-feels-like-kinda?c=reccon1
23:04 assbot A French Film Showing Men What Being A Woman Feels Like Kinda Nails It
23:13 decimation lol usg is planning to spend $6.8bn bezzlars on one rocket (but it's fit for humans!) http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/boeing-spacex-win-nasa-commercial-crew-award-180952722/?no-ist
23:13 assbot Boeing, SpaceX Win NASA Commercial Crew Award | Daily Planet | Air & Space Magazine
23:15 decimation actually that's $6.8bn for the metal cage that holds the humans, the rocket is extra
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23:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00074943 = 7.3444 BTC [-] {2}
23:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37896 @ 0.00074914 = 28.3894 BTC [-]
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