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← 2014-07-11 | 2014-07-13 → ↓
01:00 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
01:00 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 634.84, Best ask: 637.44, Bid-ask spread: 2.60000, Last trade: 637.44, 24 hour volume: 7353.08856946, 24 hour low: 613.46, 24 hour high: 640.02, 24 hour vwap: 0
01:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00315212 = 1.2608 BTC [-] {7}
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01:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 445 @ 0.00274113 = 1.2198 BTC [-] {7}
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02:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 278 @ 0.00401781 = 1.117 BTC [-] {6}
02:08 benkay <mircea_popescu> btw, if anyone's got 12 yos, get them "i sell the dead" // noted
02:14 benkay aight i'm smokin some pots and listening to ah um
02:14 benkay who's with me
02:20 benkay https://twitter.com/jennschiffer/status/487703485807603714
02:21 mod6 o_O
02:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 351 @ 0.00319827 = 1.1226 BTC [+] {3}
02:30 * mod6 is merging code & listening to NIN
02:34 mod6 %tslb
02:34 atcbot 22 minutes and 34 seconds
02:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 295 @ 0.00331898 = 0.9791 BTC [-]
02:45 * benkay is reviewing tickets and listening to mingus
02:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 225 @ 0.00332198 = 0.7474 BTC [+] {2}
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03:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.0154387 = 0.9572 BTC [+] {2}
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03:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 952 @ 0.00322583 = 3.071 BTC [-] {6}
04:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2251 @ 0.00273236 = 6.1505 BTC [-] {7}
04:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 437 @ 0.00255511 = 1.1166 BTC [-] {6}
04:19 xmj someone care to recommend a bitcoin client, gtk preferred?
04:20 benkay i was recently made aware of a thing by the name of 'armoryd'
04:21 benkay pyturd
04:21 benkay plus cpp turd
04:21 * xmj looks into electrum
04:21 benkay mhm.
04:22 benkay general idea is that 0.6 is okay.
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04:41 mircea_popescu * mod6 is merging code & listening to NIN << hurt ?
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05:14 jurov xmj i like electrum. at least client
05:14 xmj cool
05:14 jurov server is quite turd-ish if you wanna run own
05:15 fluffypony jurov: it's not that bad, it's just not very well maintained
05:15 xmj ugh
05:15 fluffypony (-server I mean)
05:16 fluffypony https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server/issues/61 - that happens all the time, but erasmospunk's fix has been ignored
05:16 assbot Server crash after restart while reorganizes the blockchain Issue #61 spesmilo/electrum-server GitHub
05:17 jurov is this KeyError: " " ?
05:18 jurov i can't run server recentl yat all, always get above shortly after start
05:18 fluffypony never had keyerror
05:18 fluffypony I struggled to get server working on Ubuntu 12.04, needed to install python-leveldb from backports and all sorts
05:19 xmj jurov: looks like a variable that should be set isn't
05:19 jurov i made it working even under pypy :) not very helpful, sunce it's io bound
05:20 jurov but then it stopped working at all
05:20 jurov things to look into someday...
05:31 HyperChetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br2l9UDCUAAulw0.jpg
05:36 fluffypony http://bitcoin.equipment
05:37 fluffypony speaking of new TLDs
05:37 fluffypony http://bitcoin.camera
05:37 assbot Bitcoin.Camera
05:38 xmj meh
05:39 xmj i got a mail to my company address, asking if i'd wanted to buy chaot.net
05:39 xmj er
05:39 xmj .org
05:39 xmj I have .net and don't use it but for email ... why do people not see such things :(
05:45 punkman http://bitcoinsberlin.com/ any of these guys in the wot?
05:45 assbot Bitcoin Startup Incubator - Bitcoins Berlin
05:46 fluffypony https://medium.com/@TomOnBTC/second-biggest-member-of-bitcoin-foundation-involved-in-hacking-of-mt-gox-b97a3527b4ac
05:46 assbot Second Biggest Member of Bitcoin Foundation Involved in Hacking of Mt.Gox Medium
05:46 fluffypony "Not only does the Bitcoin Foundation suddenly make you seem reputable they will help you with this. They’ll post blogs about you joining, even sending out the “brass” to shill blogs such as CoinDesk to push you joining to others and making you seem further legit."
05:46 fluffypony great quote
05:47 punkman http://about.all4btc.com/1-million-euros-in-sales/
05:47 assbot Year 1: 1 million in Sales | All4btc - Buy Anything with Bitcoin
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06:28 kyuupichan This miner filling blocks with satoshi spam isn't going away. Sigh.
06:29 cazalla 1enjoy?
06:29 kyuupichan At some stage he's gonna piss off enough people that they agree to ignore his block and continue to build on the prior one. That'd hurt.
06:41 punkman kyuupichan: he could still spam the blockchain in 1000 other ways
06:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 230 @ 0.00251977 = 0.5795 BTC [-] {8}
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07:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 388 @ 0.00237368 = 0.921 BTC [-] {9}
07:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19015952 = 1.9016 BTC [-] {5}
07:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.19002375 = 1.5202 BTC [-] {2}
07:53 pankkake http://kryptoradio.koodilehto.fi/
07:53 assbot Kryptoradio by Koodilehto
07:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.01566923 = 0.6111 BTC [+] {4}
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08:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00239999 = 0.72 BTC [-] {2}
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10:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 675 @ 0.00274426 = 1.8524 BTC [+] {4}
10:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 195 @ 0.0027612 = 0.5384 BTC [+]
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10:55 mod6 lol @ the system Z pics. thanks kako, a bit nostalgic now.
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11:32 artifexd That was fun.
11:32 artifexd Water cooling sprung a leak and blew my power supply. I guess it could've been worse.
11:35 mod6 :(
11:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 238 @ 0.00259516 = 0.6176 BTC [-] {2}
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12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.65387962 BTC to 11`062 shares, 14951 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 19.82579312 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1724 satoshi per share
12:04 mircea_popescu jurov: is this KeyError: " " ? << no that's some db issue
12:07 mircea_popescu fluffypony lol the rat trap is falling apart is it ?
12:14 mircea_popescu this medium.com platform is so fucking retarded...
12:14 mircea_popescu so how do i leave a comment or anything to this tom guy ?
12:16 mircea_popescu artifexd: Water cooling sprung a leak and blew my power supply. I guess it could've been worse. << yes, actually. you could have been electrocuted.
12:28 asciilifeform artifexd: if water cooling, install 'ground fault interrupter'
12:29 asciilifeform artifexd: common widget, usually installed inside kitchen mains sockets, which senses even small difference between current flowing in through 'hot' and leaving through 'neutral' wire (e.g. through your arse)
12:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19960054 = 0.7984 BTC [+] {2}
12:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 330 @ 0.00250407 = 0.8263 BTC [-] {11}
12:41 mircea_popescu yup must have.
12:41 artifexd asciilifeform: Will a GFCI fire fast enough to save a power supply in the face of an internal short?
12:41 mircea_popescu !up WasWoWieviel
12:41 mircea_popescu !up bitstein
12:41 asciilifeform artifexd: does nothing for a short. only for arse.
12:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's how i finaly allowed hairdryers et all in bathrooms.
12:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ground fault gizmos are SOP even in gringolandia now
12:43 artifexd Yep. We have them in both bathrooms and all over the kitchen.
12:43 artifexd Also, oddly, in my wife's office. Not in mine though.
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 113 @ 0.01551326 = 1.753 BTC [+] {4}
12:44 * asciilifeform tired of drowned hardware many years ago, won't touch water cooling now
12:44 mircea_popescu time to sue her ? :D
12:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you should prolly look into it again. you thinkl moore law's a big deal, give a look at plastics.
12:45 mircea_popescu if an abstract "quality" value could be broadly associated, it went up a degree of magnitude each decade since 1960
12:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'correct' way to do it is to have an all-copper loop, soldered joints - like refrigerator. but, for some reason, no one does this.
12:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's the friction joints (hose to barb) that end up slowly leaking.
12:47 mircea_popescu some miners do it.
12:48 asciilifeform the photos i saw were of immersive oil cooling (think transformer booth)
12:49 artifexd asciilifeform: That's exactly what happened. One of the connections decided to call it quits. It's what I get for using barbs and not securing it.
12:50 mircea_popescu artifexd you know you could just glue it on the outside.
12:50 artifexd I prefer zip ties
12:50 asciilifeform artifexd: mine had hose clamps on all joints. theory - clamping deforms the barb, you leak anyway.
12:51 artifexd Ever had problems with the compression connectors?
12:51 asciilifeform artifexd: there's probably a golden mean here. a real 'saint' with a dynamometer wrench probably could've tightened the clamps exactly enough.
12:52 artifexd I need to find a single video card that can drive all my monitors. Then I can get rid of the water cooling.
12:52 mircea_popescu artifexd why do you prefer zip ties over say caulk ?
12:53 artifexd Zip ties are cheap, clean, provide uniform pressure, and are easy to remove with no mess.
12:54 mircea_popescu but they work on the same principle as the barb does.
12:55 mircea_popescu you want convergence of principles.
12:55 mircea_popescu (this neatly dovetails in stan's "deform barbs" problem above : if you're building an army you don't want a 2nd cavalry, to argue with your 1st. you want an infantry too)
12:55 artifexd The work in conduction with the barb. The barb provides interior pressure against the tube. The zip tie provides exterior pressure.
12:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: part of the problem is the abysmal, 'consumer' quality of the available thermoblocks (pumbed heat sinks that fit particular cpu, gpu, etc) - not one, afaik, to this day, comes with even threaded connectors
12:56 asciilifeform *plumbed
12:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but if they're metal... you can thread it
12:56 artifexd Every one I has is threaded
12:57 artifexd That's how you connect the barbs. Screw 'em in.
12:57 asciilifeform artifexd: neat. these weren't available a decade ago.
12:57 mircea_popescu artifexd imo the interior/exterior distinction is spurious. both work the same way really.
12:58 asciilifeform the ones i had were machined copper encased in a plastic water jacket, with plastic barbs (non-removable)
12:58 artifexd Ew
12:58 artifexd Most decent water blocks don't come with connectors at all. Just threaded holes.
12:59 asciilifeform artifexd: then the answer is clear. 'teflon' tape on the threads, connectors glued (or welded, if copper hose) to the tube.
13:00 * mircea_popescu feels vindicated
13:01 artifexd I don't think I would use copper tubes. My configuration changes too often.
13:01 * asciilifeform was disappointed with water cooled machine even while it worked, on account of it still needing a few fans to operate: various parts for which no water block was available (chipset, mosfets, and power supply of that period)
13:02 artifexd Waterblocks are available for just about everything now. It can take some looking. They aren't cheap. But they work well.
13:02 asciilifeform artifexd: any that guarantee operation with 100% hermetically sealed case? (no case fans)
13:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.19100007 = 0.764 BTC [-] {3}
13:03 artifexd The heat has to go somewhere
13:03 asciilifeform pc mobo is encrusted with items like mosfets that presume circulation of air
13:04 asciilifeform my sole objective was to get a silent machine
13:04 asciilifeform failed.
13:04 artifexd Ah. Yeah. Blocks for motherboards are available. They cover the north bridge/south bridge and the power caps.
13:05 artifexd My ears aren't near as sensitive as yours so I'm good with a few slow moving fans on the radiator.
13:05 asciilifeform artifexd: i used a 'toyota' radiator.
13:05 artifexd A guy I work with used a car radiator and an aquarium.
13:06 artifexd Ugly as hell, but it seemed to work for him.
13:06 artifexd My system is all contained in the case.
13:07 asciilifeform artifexd: ancient photo of machine in question: http://imgur.com/uE4oR6X
13:07 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
13:08 artifexd Is that pex?
13:08 asciilifeform pex?
13:08 artifexd It's the plumbing replacement for copper. Flexible tubing.
13:09 artifexd http://www.pexinfo.com
13:09 assbot PEX Information
13:09 asciilifeform artifexd: 'tygon'.
13:09 asciilifeform from chemistry supply
13:10 artifexd Ah
13:10 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> pc mobo is encrusted with items like mosfets that presume circulation of air << not really. mostly actually cool through the metal of the pcb
13:10 mircea_popescu if you keep the board cool they'll be fine
13:10 asciilifeform now if only pcb had a 'water jacket' like engine block...
13:11 mircea_popescu if you cool the bridges it'll cool through there.
13:11 asciilifeform heuristic: if mosfet has even a small 'hedgehog', the board designer thought pcb trace cooling to be insufficient.
13:12 artifexd Unless it's an Asus board. Then the designers thought it would look cool.
13:12 mircea_popescu i'm telling you, they'll be fine. you're thinking in terms of air movement removing heat, but even in a sealed case,
13:12 mircea_popescu you still have heat conductivity.
13:12 asciilifeform the box in question would croak after 48 hrs. or so if the case was not ventilated.
13:12 mircea_popescu as long as you keep most of the board cool, mostfets can't make enough heat to cook themselves.
13:13 mircea_popescu well, was this the toyota radiator thing in the image ?
13:13 asciilifeform water line ran through two cpus, disk jacket, gpu. there was still some air circulation from power supply (conventional air cooling.) but sans case fan, machine would croak reliably.
13:14 asciilifeform the mosfets did not cook themselves - internal thermal trip. you get a shutdown.
13:14 mircea_popescu how hot was the radiator getting ?
13:14 asciilifeform about 40C, on a warm day.
13:15 asciilifeform considering that it was designed to dissipate 100kw - reasonable.
13:15 mircea_popescu were you cooling just the proc ? or bridges too ?
13:15 mircea_popescu a, no, see, that's the key element here.
13:16 asciilifeform idea was, bridges would be cooled by air drawn upwards by power supply fan.
13:16 mircea_popescu <artifexd> Ah. Yeah. Blocks for motherboards are available. They cover the north bridge/south bridge and the power caps. <<<
13:16 mircea_popescu nah.
13:17 mircea_popescu you basically had no cold source on the pcb. all the things you cooled were meanwhile heating towards it.
13:17 asciilifeform that box would have probably lasted forever if it never had to be moved.
13:19 asciilifeform if i were to attempt it again, i'd probably just machine a copper plinth in which the mobo can live, upside-down, with fins on bottom side.
13:20 asciilifeform if plinth is large enough, no need for water.
13:20 mircea_popescu the one similar thing i saw was purpose made copper tray filled with thermosilicone, on which pcb rested.
13:21 mircea_popescu (no cpu involved, this wasn't a computer)
13:21 asciilifeform this is SOP for large rectifiers, etc.
13:21 asciilifeform you get a 'sarcophagus' similar to the one pictured in the $20k oscilloscope film.
13:27 asciilifeform that machine served me through all of uni & a bit longer. RIP 'humanoid', 2001-2007. (named after line from soviet film, approximately 'humanoid rockets through the sky, screaming out that school's a lie')
13:29 asciilifeform freebsd 4.
13:31 mircea_popescu i still have board/cpu assemblies from the 90s
13:31 asciilifeform likewise. and '80s...
13:32 mircea_popescu amusing how shitty psus became, incidentally. the originals usualy last > a decade. the replacements, maybe even 5 years.
13:32 mircea_popescu then the replacements 2 if you're lucky.
13:33 asciilifeform one can still achieve the 10+ life - by removing all chinese electrolytic caps and replacing with normal ones
13:33 asciilifeform or, alternatively, purchasing a unit where there never were chinese caps (difficult now - the chicoms have taken to mimicking the japanese markings)
13:35 asciilifeform at some point the japanese parts will no longer get shipped in (won't pass the geiger at the container crane!) and then we'll really be phucked.
13:41 punkman http://domainincite.com/16963-a-million-domains-taken-down-by-email-checks
13:41 assbot A million domains taken down by email checks | DomainIncite - Domain Name News & Opinion
13:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.0156 = 0.7488 BTC [+]
13:49 punkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart
13:49 assbot Adrian Carton de Wiart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
13:57 mircea_popescu punkman the success of "domainers" and domains being "real estate"
13:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00240361 = 0.9614 BTC [-] {7}
13:58 mircea_popescu 10mn a year people had been paying just for those, in the hopes htey'll sell them on to suckers. something tells me 2013 had not colected 10mn worth of chump money.
13:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or, who knows, maybe the chinese start making actually good parts.
13:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now why would they make those for export.
13:59 asciilifeform (answer: they will - if you pay. but who will pay.)
13:59 * asciilifeform randomly wandered into an old book store last night, saw a textbook on romanian language. every chapter opened with some example of torments from the 'russian yoke.'
14:00 * asciilifeform saw that it was shelved - unsurprisingly - next to a volume of pushkin, in russian.
14:01 mircea_popescu lol
14:02 mircea_popescu if you had wandered into bookshelv in vienna cca 1814, you'd have seen the same book
14:02 mircea_popescu ottoman yoke.
14:02 asciilifeform naturally.
14:02 mircea_popescu who knows, maybe 514, roman yoke
14:03 mircea_popescu zee romanians have this yoke thing. at the rate the eu is going... by 2114...
14:10 mircea_popescu http://sniggle.net/cole.php
14:10 mircea_popescu this guy is pretty good.
14:10 mircea_popescu " When he stumbled on a road crew without a foreman one day, Cole leaped into the breach and directed the men to London’s busy Piccadilly Circus, where he had them excavate a huge trench in the street. A nearby policeman obligingly redirected the heavy downtown traffic all day, and it was several hours before the city noticed the unauthorized hole.”
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14:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 490 @ 0.00232034 = 1.137 BTC [-]
15:00 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/ken-park/
15:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 462 @ 0.00210002 = 0.9702 BTC [-] {4}
15:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1128 @ 0.0021 = 2.3688 BTC [-] {3}
15:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever see pasolini's 'salo' ?
15:06 mircea_popescu oddly you're the 2nd person to ask me this today. has it just been re-released or something ?
15:06 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/salo-o-le-120-giornate-di-sodoma/
15:06 assbot Salo, o le 120 giornate di Sodoma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not afaik. just can't help but remember it in light of your post
15:06 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/ (referenced there, and plenty of other places,
15:06 assbot Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:06 asciilifeform aha
15:06 mircea_popescu in fact the monograph is a result of me getting sick of referencing it blind)
15:07 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2009/test-de-cultura-vizuala-2/ (early "visual culture test", too)
15:07 assbot Test de cultura vizuala 2 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:07 mircea_popescu nobody guessed it x.x
15:08 mircea_popescu o nm, actually, abuncha people guessed it.
15:12 asciilifeform from the loltron: http://cryptome.org/2014/07/dprk-film-complaint.pdf
15:12 asciilifeform ^ http://pastebin.com/WnmRuECG
15:12 assbot United Nations A/68/934S/2014/451 General Assembly Security Counci - Pastebin.com
15:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can you name a film where the us president (named) is killed ?
15:14 mircea_popescu "It is their firm determination to mercilessly destroy anyone who dares hurt or attack the supreme leadership of the country even a bit." shit sounds like john cleese was the copywriter in charge.
15:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: only him and no one else?
15:15 BigBitz Rik Mayll was helping before he died.
15:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just as long as it's "obama was killed"
15:16 mircea_popescu or w/e,. bush, ford, pick your incumbent.
15:16 asciilifeform films like 'dr strangelove' where 'everybody dies' not count ?
15:16 mircea_popescu nope.
15:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 207 @ 0.0146999 = 3.0429 BTC [-] {4}
15:17 asciilifeform 'They've Killed President Lincoln!' (1971.)
15:18 mircea_popescu BigBitz what was it, coke ?
15:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not depiction of actual historical event.
15:18 BigBitz what was what amigo?
15:18 mircea_popescu killed by the novie.
15:18 mircea_popescu BigBitz rik mayll
15:18 BigBitz You don't know Rik Mayll bud?
15:18 mircea_popescu i dont recall how he died
15:18 BigBitz Very funny English Comedian/Writer.
15:18 BigBitz He died after a run.
15:18 BigBitz heart attack/complications.
15:19 mircea_popescu didn't he just have a mysterious coronary ?
15:19 BigBitz I don't believe drug related.
15:19 mircea_popescu aha. i always thought it was cocaine
15:19 BigBitz Ah. I Hope not... I liked him.
15:19 BigBitz Drugs be bad, yo!
15:21 Apocalyptic pankkake, davout http://caccomo.blogspot.fr/ a decent blog I stumbled upon today
15:21 assbot Chroniques en libert
15:28 asciilifeform 'The "extra" pinchers are attached to a LCR meter for the machine to "measure" each component before it put it down! You wont find that on the $5K Chinese machines!' << had no idea this existed. anywhere.
15:28 asciilifeform (from http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMT-Pick-and-Place-Machine-Siemens-ms72-with-modern-GUI-includes-source-code-/171380699124)
15:29 asciilifeform 'All of the mechanical stuff on this unit is from the 80's (When the mechanical stuff was great because the computers sucked)' << re: earlier discussion of power supplies.
15:31 mircea_popescu heh
15:36 * asciilifeform would buy the above gadget but for the 3-phase mains - and the fact that it would fall through the floor.
15:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 772 @ 0.00210129 = 1.6222 BTC [-] {3}
15:45 fluffypony mircea_popescu:so how do i leave a comment or anything to this tom guy ? <- you can just Tweet @TomOnBTC
15:45 fluffypony oh
15:45 fluffypony wait
15:45 fluffypony :-P
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16:02 mircea_popescu lol
16:03 mircea_popescu i can only tweet @whatever for as long as he doesn't kill anyone.
16:03 mircea_popescu bitcoin needs better infrastructure than that.
16:03 fluffypony lol
16:12 asciilifeform needs better infrastructure than that >> blockchain telegraph!
16:22 mircea_popescu i bought a blockchain dildo the other day
16:22 mircea_popescu still haven't unpacked it.
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16:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 613 @ 0.002299 = 1.4093 BTC [-] {2}
16:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1783 @ 0.00255334 = 4.5526 BTC [+] {10}
16:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2445 @ 0.00273631 = 6.6903 BTC [+] {14}
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17:02 artifexd I know mpex went down due to hard drive issues. Isn't it back up? I haven't seen any mpex trades in a few days.
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17:46 benkay http://www.designboom.com/technology/airtype-keyless-bluetooth-keyboard-07-11-2014/
17:46 assbot AirType keyless bluetooth keyboard fits in the palm of your hand
17:57 mircea_popescu artifexd not yet
17:58 mircea_popescu changing a bunch of stuff.
17:58 artifexd aok
18:02 mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2agpe1/is_there_a_site_for_betting_on_sports_games_with/ reddit knows
18:02 assbot Is there a site for betting on sports games with BTC? : Bitcoin
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18:17 mircea_popescu ;;seen mike_c
18:17 gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 49 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <mike_c> and a gentleman
18:20 asciilifeform benkay: terrible idea. just like touch screen keyboards (or that israeli firm that made a 'laser' keyboard drawn on table.)
18:21 asciilifeform why does this crud appear again and again? no one heard of 'gorilla arm syndrome' and the like?
18:23 asciilifeform fingers need mechanical feedback
18:23 asciilifeform (not only for pleasure, but to absorb impact.)
18:23 asciilifeform people seem intent on discovering new classes of 'repetitive' injury.
18:26 benkay they keypress is required to prevent bruising?
18:30 mircea_popescu benkay paradoxically, yes.
18:30 mircea_popescu try punching as hard as you can in the air, see what happens.
18:30 mircea_popescu same mechanics apply to finger movement too.
18:30 mircea_popescu if there isn't a face there to stop your fist, your arm has to do it. and it's not really equipped or designed for such.
18:32 benkay certainly, but if one's tapping on the table?
18:32 mircea_popescu then there's the table. i thought this was supposed to be mid air tho
18:33 benkay "virtually any surface, or none at all."
18:35 thestringpuller http://bitcoin.equipment/
18:36 thestringpuller didn't even know .equipment was a valid suffix
18:37 benkay thestringpuller: i want man.systems
18:37 mircea_popescu sissy.systems
18:38 benkay http://dumb.domains/
18:38 assbot DUMB.domains
18:38 benkay wank.holiday
18:39 mircea_popescu actually that site is pretty good thestringpuller
18:40 thestringpuller redditards deliver sometimes I s'pose
18:41 mircea_popescu this has sa/buttcoins all over it.
18:41 mircea_popescu basically, there are some competent redditards. they're the people who came to reddit to hide among the redditards.
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19:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 176 @ 0.00402999 = 0.7093 BTC [+]
19:10 mircea_popescu anyone wanna code me a website ?
19:19 kakobrekla what, you mean like css?
19:21 mircea_popescu nah
19:21 mircea_popescu im toying with the general idea of distributed effort to destroy social media. this'd be an experiment in that sense.
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19:49 mircea_popescu ;;later tell hanbot remember the guy that sent a complaint to spanish police (where he was at the time being an romanian temp worker) that mtgox won't send him proof of its id ? he's dead.
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19:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:49 benkay social. yum.
19:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 116 @ 0.01635687 = 1.8974 BTC [+] {12}
19:52 mircea_popescu benkay all these broken wots everyone's implemented.
19:55 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=47057 << if anyone's curious how the entire bitcoin-by-country irc nonsense got started.
19:55 assbot Bitcointa.lk: the Bitcointalk community with a proper forum | Bitcointa.lk
19:55 mircea_popescu tl;dr: shut-in (mizeridearia) got bored one day.
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20:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 49 @ 0.0141001 = 0.6909 BTC [-]
20:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.01679599 = 0.5039 BTC [+] {3}
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20:40 mircea_popescu looking at this data, bitcoin is just about the largest one thing on freenode.
20:43 mike_c what's bigger?
20:46 mircea_popescu depends how you count, but not really much.
20:47 mircea_popescu http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/medien-mehr-als-ein-dutzend-spione-in-ministerien-13042586.html
20:47 assbot Medien: Mehr als ein Dutzend Spione in Ministerien
20:47 mircea_popescu apparently zee germans found some spies
20:53 mircea_popescu mike_c the best part is where wikipedia and darkcoin are about the same size.
20:53 mircea_popescu lulzy mcloll.
20:54 mike_c wow
20:55 mircea_popescu a little ahead of... dwarf frothress
20:55 mircea_popescu or w/e the pixel fountain is called.
20:58 mircea_popescu and since we're on the lulz,
20:58 mircea_popescu "Built and operated in the United States, Bittrex is the next generation crypto trading platform created by security professionals. We are crypto-coin enthusiasts bringing more than 50 years of combined security and development experience to the trading community from companies, including Microsoft, Amazon, Qualys, and BlackBerry.
20:58 mircea_popescu Given the recent security breaches and reliability issues experienced by other markets, we felt the community deserved better. If virtual currencies are to truly take off, trustworthy infrastructure is a prerequisite."
20:59 mircea_popescu * Topic for #bittrex is: richie doesn't know how to send emails OR use topics...
21:01 mircea_popescu !up BayAreaCoins
21:01 BayAreaCoins Thanks man. How are you doing today?
21:02 mircea_popescu as good as can be expected i guess.
21:03 BayAreaCoins Another day of the life eh ;)
21:03 mircea_popescu so how's the bay area for coins ?
21:07 BayAreaCoins Going pretty good man. I'm kind of in that limbo stage of waiting on nerdos to finish up code... Feel like that has been the story of my life for 4-6 months :)
21:08 BayAreaCoins I think once all of it comes together... well it will come together :P Just kind of selling a gun or two while I wait. I need a new bag because I'm sorta bored with everything atm.. Life :D
21:09 BayAreaCoins How is Romania for coins? Pretty wide usage over there?
21:09 mircea_popescu i'm in... argentina.
21:09 mike_c what are the nerdos working on?
21:11 BayAreaCoins mike_c A automated drop shipping company and then a alt that I think is semi interesting (Huntercoin)
21:11 mike_c automated drop shipping of what? you got warehouses or connections to suppliers?
21:11 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu ah very nice. I think if I was going to live in South America I'd be looking at Belize (ambergris caye.) Any reason why you chose Argentina over the other countries?
21:12 mircea_popescu well, it seemed cooler, basically.
21:13 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu haha hell ya
21:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.19000949 = 5.7003 BTC [-] {8}
21:16 mircea_popescu <mol> !worth 1
21:16 mircea_popescu <elbzonet[drkbot]> mol: 1.0 DRK @ 0.01047380 DRK/BTC (source:mintpal|53s) = 0.010474 BTC / 6.66 USD (source:bitstamp:40s)
21:16 mircea_popescu <mol> !mnstats
21:16 mircea_popescu <elbzonet[drkbot]> mol: 673 active masternodes (source:elbzone|8m6s) @ 0.01047380 DRK/BTC (source:mintpal|1m4s) = 7048.87 BTC / 4490058.05 USD in stake (source:bitstamp|55s)
21:16 BayAreaCoins mike_c No need for warehouses or partnerships to start out with. Basically what the company is going to do is relist items with a very small price bump and automate everything. We have been testing with 200 items for the past little bit and are seeing a good chunk of volume moving. I guess my main concern is that the shippers do their job because refunds are going to be a total and complete pain in the ass.
21:16 mircea_popescu darkcoin is so shitting lulzy
21:17 thestringpuller ;;define equanimity
21:17 gribble Error: "define" is not a valid command.
21:17 thestringpuller ;;google equanimity
21:17 gribble Equanimity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equanimity>; Equanimity - Merriam-Webster Online: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equanimity>; Equanimity | Define Equanimity at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/equanimity>
21:17 mircea_popescu BayAreaCoins is this your first attempt ?
21:17 thestringpuller sounds like bitcoinshop.us ......
21:17 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu at a automated drop shipping company? Yes it is
21:18 thestringpuller you might as well just buy an amazon gift card off of GYFT
21:18 mike_c good luck, it's a crowded field. got a website up?
21:19 mircea_popescu BayAreaCoins well then you won't be too surprised we just expect you to fail and learn from the experience ?
21:20 BayAreaCoins mike_c not yet, still working on the code. Drop shipping Amazon from Ebay to start out with. Domain is locked down and I submitted articles of organization last night.
21:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18510001 = 0.9255 BTC [-]
21:21 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu I never go into anything expecting to fail, but if I do that is why I have the LLC up :P
21:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.18251127 = 1.4601 BTC [-] {4}
21:22 BayAreaCoins Can't live life in fear of failure or you'll never take the chance you need to succeed. If I had a nickle for every time I fucked up... I'd have far more nickles than I do now ;)
21:22 mircea_popescu i guess an automated online auction scalper isn't the absolute worst first project someone may try.
21:23 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu No inventor and no employees that is always a plus. It'll be interesting needless to say. Our ebay lister is stacked with 24,000 items, but getting ebay to up our limits is a bit of a pain in the ass.
21:26 BayAreaCoins What are you guys investing in BTC wise as of late? Losing JD has me a bit lost on the BTC investment side. Although, I'm balls deep in a alt I think has a good chance.
21:26 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/mEhgyHdV << i do something like this maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe once a year. this is what i get.
21:26 assbot * Now talking on #bittrex * Topic for #bittrex is: richie doesn't know how to s - Pastebin.com
21:27 mircea_popescu BayAreaCoins there's fmpif which is roughly similar.
21:28 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/877/difficulty-over-21bn-by-summers-end-2014/ << 21bn huh.
21:28 assbot BitBet - Difficulty over 21Bn by Summer's end 2014 :: 12.38 B (94%) on Yes, 0.78 B (6%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 52`857 (100`000 to 3)
21:29 mike_c ;;bc,stats
21:29 gribble Current Blocks: 310477 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 2002 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17408856848.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.41843
21:30 mircea_popescu tempting as hell.
21:33 mike_c still looking good for Monday? i'm getting an idiff itch.
21:37 mircea_popescu !up BayAreaCoins
21:37 BayAreaCoins Thank you kindly
21:37 mircea_popescu mike_c so far. you never know with these things until you get to test them
21:41 BayAreaCoins Mostly in the Altcoin world I'm just trying to keep my holdings of HUC @ 5-10% of the O/S... I feel like ever since DOGE it has just exploded with shit on shit that is topped off with shit.
21:42 mircea_popescu you don't say.
21:42 mike_c "a human mine-able crypto currency" you know some people around here think BTC is human mineable.
21:44 BayAreaCoins I like the mining structure and having potential to "create" jobs. Which I've got my fingers cross will bring more people into the crypto currency scene. It is at least different and the devs are know.
21:44 BayAreaCoins Only thing that is semi tough is the need for HUC to start out mining HUC. Which is a good thing too at the same time.
21:44 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu do you think we will continue to see this horrible trend of shit on shit?
21:45 mircea_popescu human minable, i don't understand.
21:46 BayAreaCoins www.Huntercoin.info that is the block chain. 90% of the coins are distributed via the "game" inside the wallet. To keep the network secure 5% Sha-256 and 5% Scrypt (dual merge mining.)
21:46 mircea_popescu why would you suspect humans are playing the game inside the wallet ?
21:47 BayAreaCoins I would suspect humans and bots.
21:48 BayAreaCoins I'm more interested in the mining power behind it and the networks on going security. Total supply : * 2734040 HUC Hashrate : * sha256 : 2 818.74TH/s * scrypt : 13.30GH/s
21:48 BayAreaCoins It has a long way to go though and some problems to be address
21:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1020 @ 0.00245009 = 2.4991 BTC [-]
21:50 mircea_popescu i don't understand how dual sha-scrypt improves security.
21:50 mircea_popescu in pricniple it should lower it to the security of the lowest of the two
21:51 BayAreaCoins I'm not 100% sure, but I'm going to go a head and pass that question along as well because I'd be interest in the response. Shits n giggles ya know
21:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.181 = 1.991 BTC [-]
21:53 BayAreaCoins I've seen their web base browser play that will allow people to instantly start "mining" though game play. Right now to sync the wallet is... well.. fucking huge to say it nicely. Probably has the largest bloat of any coin their is.
21:53 BayAreaCoins there is* ffs
21:53 BayAreaCoins NMC is a bitch to sync too though
21:53 mircea_popescu !s reddit
21:53 assbot 838 results for 'reddit' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reddit
21:54 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu you a big reddit fan? :P
21:55 mircea_popescu mnop
21:56 BayAreaCoins mnop?
21:56 mircea_popescu sort of like a mumbled no.
21:57 BayAreaCoins Kinda figured that hahaha :D
21:57 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu so still not big on the Off Shore Paper Wallet idea either eh?!
21:57 mircea_popescu what idea whas that again ?
21:58 BayAreaCoins Basically exactly what it sounds like. Off shore paper wallets with a network of trusted hedge fund attorneys around the world that are willing to hold paper wallets for clients within countries that have good privacy laws. Therefore giving the world the ability to chose which country they store their coins in safely.
21:58 BayAreaCoins Jumping jurisdictions with coins pretty much
22:01 BayAreaCoins Maybe there is something already like that that I am unaware of as well though
22:05 mircea_popescu why would anyone bother with this ?
22:07 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/depreshibe
22:07 assbot A place for Depressed shibes to chat about things and vent
22:07 mircea_popescu this still exists!
22:08 mircea_popescu !up BayAreaCoins
22:09 BayAreaCoins LOL ooo dogecoin bahaha Thank good ole Klye and dooglus for that one :D I gave away so many millions of DOGE in JD chat.
22:09 mircea_popescu for a total of < 1 btc ?
22:09 BayAreaCoins haha probably ish ;)
22:10 BayAreaCoins Got 140BTC out of 100 million of them though about
22:10 BayAreaCoins Not to shaby for a months work
22:10 mircea_popescu "I am a 23 yr M, diagnosed Bi-Polar:NoS with a history of Mixed States. Or, in other words, I faily to cope with my body's confusion on being manic and depressed at the same time, causing an abundance of frustration that turns to almost uncontrollable anger. I currently live with my fiancee, we are to be married this year, at the end of September, I'm on permanent disability for a variety of mental incapacitates."
22:10 mircea_popescu why would a woman fiancee some 23 yo guy like that ?
22:10 mircea_popescu this has got to be the bottom of the bottomless pit of gold digging
22:10 BayAreaCoins Bitches love problems of course
22:10 mircea_popescu like a lead digger
22:11 BayAreaCoins But let me jump back to that off shore paper wallet thing really quick if you don't mind.
22:12 BayAreaCoins I think a number of people in my country (America) are very very interested about how to bank "off shore", but they don't have the proper contacts. I believe if this was set up it would give people the ability to go off shore within a hour of deciding they wanted to (by using btc, also the extra $ flowing in isn't going to kill any of us either)
22:12 BayAreaCoins Do you not see that in Europe as much?
22:13 BayAreaCoins and Argentina
22:14 mircea_popescu you seem to think "people" is a thing. "people" is not a thing, but at least two : the people who don't matter, and the people who, if they feel like it, fly over here, open a bank box and bang a coupla hotties the same night
22:14 mircea_popescu for any value of *here*
22:14 mircea_popescu now why would a lawyer want to be involved with group A, and why would group B want to share with a lawyer ?
22:16 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu I've already contacted a few firms and they of course want to be involved for the same reason as any other law firms wants to be involved with anything.. Money. I think that group B would want to privately be involved with group A because it is better than having some FEDs come grab your lap top while you are reading in the Sci-Fi section
22:16 mircea_popescu methinks mebbe re-read what i said ?
22:16 BayAreaCoins ah ok 1 sec
22:18 BayAreaCoins I totally agree about the two people thing. Group a = Myself and group B = potential customers?
22:18 mircea_popescu no.
22:18 mircea_popescu a = poor people ; b = rich people.
22:21 mircea_popescu you know, dear #bitcoin-assets, my short walk around the other freenode chans has really made me appreciate how much this chan rocks.
22:21 mircea_popescu all.the.tools.omfg.
22:23 mircea_popescu unrelatedly, http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2ahc1u/i_was_given_my_first_1ð_on_dec7th_my_birthday_now/
22:23 mircea_popescu submitted 23 hours ago by Doge_Pro - investor shibe
22:24 BayAreaCoins I would make the argument that there is a C. This would be middle class people who have a bank balance >250,000 (which is what FDIC insurance here in this country) but less than $1,500,000. I think that it would be more pointed towards them because I think people between those #'s are still a bit timid.
22:25 mircea_popescu BayAreaCoins people who have 1/4mn can afford to fly wherever the fuck they please.
22:25 mircea_popescu and no, the distinction is lower than that. something like 90% of us people own 1k or less in net assets.
22:25 BayAreaCoins Obviously there is a decent demand for offshore banking, but I don't know a single one that I can set up within 10minutes from the comfort of my house and have it funded as well. Sure you can afford the flight, but you'll get laughed out of the bank.
22:25 BayAreaCoins Wow 90%?
22:26 mircea_popescu yes. americans are really vely poor.
22:26 BayAreaCoins I think a lot of them are happy with being poor... which is disgusting.
22:27 BayAreaCoins However I can assure you there are a number of us who aren't :) Don't get too down on good ole 'Murica ;)
22:27 mircea_popescu https://moolah.io/store/ << look at that, no more store.
22:27 assbot An Error Occurred: Not Found
22:28 BayAreaCoins hmmm da fux... they close down shop I guess? I saw their little video leak.. I had a good chuck over that. Jackson is absolutely horrible to work with.... I like Billy a fuck of a lot more.
22:28 mircea_popescu i have no idea who billy is
22:28 BayAreaCoins Billy coded DOGE and Jackson was the marketing fuckhead
22:29 BayAreaCoins I did a lot of talking to billy prior to Doge-dice launch
22:29 mircea_popescu anyway, those of you who aren't aren't well advised to share where you hide your remaining wealth with anyone
22:29 mircea_popescu especially not a govt employee
22:29 mircea_popescu (which is what any lawyer is)
22:33 BayAreaCoins Well I suppose that is why I stumbled though here again to pick your head a bit. If you knew someone was coming to get you right now and they were going to tear your house down brick by brick searching it... where would you put your coins? (feel free to tell me to fuck off)
22:33 BayAreaCoins it being your coin wallet
22:33 mircea_popescu i'd just shoot them.
22:33 mircea_popescu https://darkcointalk.org/threads/report-of-c-cex-situation-with-drk-because-of-feb-23-accident.1677/ << here's a little bit of lulzy
22:34 assbot Report of C-CEX situation with DRK because of feb, 23 accident. | DarkcoinTalk
22:34 mircea_popescu "After "darkman" that find my mistake and get used of it made return of some DRK, exchange had about 250K DRK in wallet with discrepancy of about 50K DRK. Then I reversed DRK/BTC transactions made with him. After that I made another big mistake: I did not disabled withdrawals for users with negative balances."
22:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 921 @ 0.00251488 = 2.3162 BTC [-] {6}
22:34 BayAreaCoins Right of course. I sell fire arms for bitcoin too on BTCtalk, but I only ship to America atm which probably isn't much help for you :)
22:36 BayAreaCoins So you would rely 100% on your ability to shoot. I would think if I was put in that situation I would want to have a place to drop them off in case I got hit during the fire fight... that way I could leave the coins to my family or what not (like setting up a Trust)
22:36 BayAreaCoins (? not a . on that first line)
22:37 mircea_popescu why would i shoot them personally ?!
22:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 224 @ 0.00248999 = 0.5578 BTC [-]
22:38 BayAreaCoins Well unless you are fucking bullet proof you might have to blast their ass if they come in your house! :P Never mind, but good points. Thanks man
22:39 mircea_popescu you're acting as if security is some sort of novel thing. it's not. security is actually older than computers,
22:39 mircea_popescu and than steam engine.
22:41 mircea_popescu "[14-06-23 14:07:53] C-CEX: There is no Your, or my coins. I explained situation. That happens. I did not take any customer's coin."
22:41 mircea_popescu pretty fucking epic.
22:43 mircea_popescu !up BayAreaCoins
22:43 mircea_popescu get in that wot already wouldja.
22:44 BayAreaCoins haha that's the last time you'll have to do that man :) Thanks :P you got a bitcoin address for donations :P
22:47 mircea_popescu o.o
22:47 BayAreaCoins a bitcent per up! ;) haha :D
22:47 mircea_popescu i guess i'll be rich.
22:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 295 @ 0.00265863 = 0.7843 BTC [+] {6}
22:49 BayAreaCoins hahaha slowly but surely! :D
22:50 BayAreaCoins I had a venture last year that made like $200,000 a nickle at a time rofl
22:50 BayAreaCoins Metric fuck ton of nickles
22:51 mircea_popescu you don't rly know who i am do you ?
22:51 BayAreaCoins I do
22:52 mircea_popescu speaking of bitcents, kinda amazing no further camwhores came forward.
22:52 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
22:53 BayAreaCoins haha is that a reference to the nickle thing too ;)
22:53 BayAreaCoins Which camwhores do you speak of or all of them in general accepting BTC for donations?
22:53 mircea_popescu !s tits
22:53 assbot 463 results for 'tits' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tits
22:54 mircea_popescu click all the img links
22:55 BayAreaCoins Haha nice :D Good ole webcams :)
22:55 BayAreaCoins I was involved with them since 2010... my profile structure is actually one of the most copied there is on MyFreeCams now
22:56 BayAreaCoins Young n dumb.. young n dumb
22:56 mircea_popescu really ?
22:56 BayAreaCoins Yes
22:56 mircea_popescu so then help spread the news ? im giving away .1 per head.
22:56 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << details.
22:56 assbot I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
22:57 BayAreaCoins haha It would be my pleasure to help :)
22:57 BayAreaCoins I'll tell a few
22:57 mircea_popescu do a girl a favour today! i hear money's tough.
22:57 BayAreaCoins It's hard out there ;) hahaha (song)
22:58 BayAreaCoins http://profiles.myfreecams.com/RavinTavin
22:58 assbot RavinTavin's Homepage on MyFreeCams.com
22:58 BayAreaCoins I believe she takes BTC and there are a few others too
23:05 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu what did you do prior to CryptoCurrencies? I assume you were successful prior?
23:05 BayAreaCoins Feel free to tell me to get fucked, I was just wondering
23:06 mircea_popescu prior to that i ran romania's most read blog, a local digg like service (reddit wasn't really all that big yet).
23:06 mircea_popescu before that i was retired.
23:08 BayAreaCoins What was your main bag that got you to that point of first retirement? I'm not trying to Q and A your ass of course
23:09 benkay <BayAreaCoins> I like the mining structure and having potential to "create" jobs // oh god what is going on here
23:09 mircea_popescu benkay don't ask.
23:09 BayAreaCoins lol don't ask
23:11 BayAreaCoins Who wants to make $10 a hour anyways...*rolls eyes ungratefully* :D
23:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00240128 = 2.4013 BTC [-]
23:15 benkay <BayAreaCoins> haha that's the last time you'll have to do that man :) Thanks :P you got a bitcoin address for donations :P // 'course, you'll have to get rated, too.
23:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: link to the dead man (if there is a link) ?
23:15 asciilifeform and i leave for a day, and slavecoin (!) walks in ?
23:15 mircea_popescu who, this ?
23:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2014#753289
23:16 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
23:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform guy's nick was paraipan. he had cancer. no link afaik.
23:17 asciilifeform aha
23:17 * asciilifeform instantly assumed nailgun
23:17 mircea_popescu because you're a simpleminded paranoid!
23:17 asciilifeform 'human-minable cryptocurrency'
23:17 * asciilifeform guilty as charged
23:19 * asciilifeform saw film, 'snowpiercer' - an otherwise ridiculous cheap sf flick with some good meat re: hierarchy and the nature of 'derp'
23:19 mircea_popescu so, half liter screwdriver, made out of right-now pressed oj and 12 yo cognac ? well, about $4 for the oranges, about $3 for the b randy.
23:19 mircea_popescu that
23:19 mircea_popescu s pesos, of course. 50 cents.
23:24 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: Off shore paper wallets with a network of trusted hedge fund attorneys around the world that are willing to hold paper wallets for clients within countries that have good privacy laws << lol, seriously think that law is a thing?
23:24 nam-shub_ probably the worst time to ask, but what's a two bedroom apartment cost there mp?
23:33 assbot BayAreaCoins +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
23:36 asciilifeform !up BayAreaCoins
23:37 BayAreaCoins Thank you kindly, I'm getting it worked out. Want a bitcent ;) lol
23:37 BayAreaCoins and lol @ slavecoin too, I really hope it doesn't turn into that.
23:37 asciilifeform !s slavecoin
23:37 assbot 18 results for 'slavecoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=slavecoin
23:39 BayAreaCoins I was talking about that human mine able one. Hopefully it doesn't turn into Child Slavery Sweatshop coin :) I'm still waiting for Klu Klux Koin because I know it will get in a lot of peoples feelings :D
23:39 benkay <BayAreaCoins> I was talking about that human mine able one. Hopefully it doesn't turn into Child Slavery Sweatshop coin // how would it not?
23:40 BayAreaCoins Sadly you are going to have child labor in everything... all the way from making shoes to now mining. I don't think it can be avoided, but I think the game is swinging more toward bots... which obviously doesn't matter bot or not if it is a 5 year old running it.
23:41 BayAreaCoins Not that I've seen any confirmed cases of that, but it is a thought.
23:42 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: consider answering question from earlier
23:42 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: why do you believe that law will protect your customers
23:43 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: or that it ever makes logical sense to trust another person with your private key
23:43 BayAreaCoins I believe a lack of laws will protect potential customers.
23:44 benkay 5 yo's running bots?
23:44 benkay i'm just having the tiniest bit of trouble stitching this into something coherent.
23:44 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: let's draw a picture. scenario 'a' - current state of the art. u.s. inquisition drags a fellow away, sits him down on a sharp stake and pulls on his legs until he coughs up his private key.
23:45 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: scenario 'b' - your service exists. u.s. inquisition drags a fellow away, sits him down on a sharp stake and pulls on his legs until he makes the magic phone call to $country where his coins are 'trustily' stored.
23:46 BayAreaCoins Well first off it will be a bucket of water and a pillow case :)
23:46 asciilifeform in scenario 'b', there is a 'private key' just as in 'a'
23:46 asciilifeform and it goes to the same place.
23:46 asciilifeform except that the fellow in 'b' is poorer even before the inquisitor shows up.
23:47 BayAreaCoins I believe it would need to be set up to were the client can instantly send the coins from anywhere in the world, but actually has to pick them up in person or have someone who is part of the "trust" pick them up. (in case the primary account holder dies ect.)
23:48 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: fine. they take his family and sharpen N stakes, one for each hostage. and send him to pick up.
23:48 BayAreaCoins Right
23:48 BayAreaCoins That has to be the clients choice, but either way the coins are safe at the end of the day.
23:48 BayAreaCoins Family or no family
23:48 dub well, no family
23:48 dub or client
23:49 BayAreaCoins Way she goes
23:50 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: do you imagine that the greatest threat to an american btc user's stash is burglars, fire, flood?
23:50 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: if this were so, he could simply keep his coldwallet in a bank deposit box (or some number of them, via shamir's algorithm)
23:52 BayAreaCoins I have to be frank with you... this is more for people who are looking to get hit by some government entity such as PDR. I do keep my paper wallets in banks between California and Arkansas. However, I'm lucky enough to not have to have that worry/fear of my government because I don't involve myself with a number of business that one can choose to be involved in around BTC
23:52 BayAreaCoins Divorces, blah blah blah you know the shit that happens in life
23:53 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: what you don't appear to understand is that this is a 'military' puzzle, not a 'legal' puzzle.
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23:53 asciilifeform enemy is under no obligation to follow whatever rules of engagement
23:53 dub theres the small issue of there being no market at all for such a service
23:54 dub anyone who is willing to die and sacrifice family to protect coin will be doing so without help
23:54 asciilifeform dub: this is rather like saying there is no market for a perpetuum mobile. of course there is. but, go build it.
23:55 asciilifeform and by pitching a service explicitly to 'appeal to next DPR', you become... DPR. in the sense that once his stake is vacated, you will sit down on it.
23:55 dub if you actually had a use for this level of protection you could trviially roll your own, would not trust anyone else to do so anyway, and be one of 7 people alive
23:55 BayAreaCoins dub That was a extreme event that was brought up by asciilifeform. I would venture to say that there is a market for people who are looking for privacy and the ability to store value where they want in the world.
23:56 asciilifeform privacy and the ability to store value where they want << the existing blockchain provides this.
23:56 BayAreaCoins Correct but the majority of people in the world have 0 fucking clue wtf the blockchain is and if they do they are scared of losing their shit. Look at coinbase building their "safe" wtf is the point of that! ;)
23:57 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: describe a scenario where a user of your service will come out unscathed, where a user of plain bitcoin would perish.
23:57 BayAreaCoins asciilifeform lets say you are in SF and you're reading a book in the Sci-Fi section... lol haha :P no but really.
23:58 BayAreaCoins Not just that of course either.
23:58 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: see the point about the stake.
23:58 mircea_popescu nam-shub_ to buy you mean ?
23:58 nam-shub_ say what?
23:58 asciilifeform BayAreaCoins: the only way you could conceivably 'save' a 'DPR' is to put - distance, army, navy, missile battery - between his arse and the nice folks in washington
23:59 mircea_popescu <BayAreaCoins> I was talking about that human mine able one. Hopefully it doesn't turn into Child Slavery Sweatshop coin << srsly, "hopefully" is all you got ?
23:59 mircea_popescu nam-shub_ what an appt costs to buy or to rent
23:59 mike_c speaking of sitting on stakes, how you enjoying your stake BayAreaCoins? :)
23:59 nam-shub_ oh yeah, to buy
23:59 BayAreaCoins mircea_popescu it is decentralized. Dunno what else I could have in regards to combating that.
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