#trilema | 2014-06-19

mircea_popescu: You wrote relatively recently

00:52

yeah, with it here i remember it.

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No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child An adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat.

00:53

a.s. neil is perhaps the dumbest guy i read this year

00:53

what the fuck already. since when is war a disqualifier ?

00:53

'war - the mother of all things'

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anyone wanna go kill this guy ?

00:54

or is he dead already ?

00:54

I'll assume he's already dead, at least on the inside

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a well.

00:55

perhaps the next one.

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mircea_popescu: http://clubs.ya.ru/4611686018427388682/replies.xml?item_no=24517 << 'saratov' fridge. 93 Wt. cost: 76 rub. date of manuf.: 1969.

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- .

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caption, among other things 'ran for 40 yrs.'

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plenty of comments, in the spirit, 'mine's built '65 and runs.'

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*

asciilifeform thinks plenty of folks are grossly misinformed re: soviet hardware.

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*

asciilifeform wonders in what western country you can buy a fridge that runs for 50 years. for $500? 5000, 50,000 ?

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i was forcing a point !!1

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crappy soviet hardware is very real

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that point being, that the russian (actually, german, pre ww2) model works just fine with no ecological consideration

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and largely came from lack of necessaries

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or in otherwords, if you're willing to kill as many subhumans as it takes

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e.g. my father was once employed to reverse-engineer movie projectors

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couldn't get german steel for the part where the film stretches taught

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result - tolerances fail, film - snaps

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redesign. result -> cruddy kludge

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myeah

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energy cost is a design parameter at the time of design - not now.

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my neighbour - rebuilds '40s-'50s amer cars.

01:13

o look at that, bids

01:13

$depth D.BPAY

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mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92 Or use a valid MPSIC!

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#bitcoin-assets bash

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tsk tsk

01:17

$depth D.BPAY

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FabianB: [D.BPAY] Bids: 100 @ 0.25000000

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FabianB: [D.BPAY] Asks:

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[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.052 = 0.884 BTC [+]

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mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDvikAG7cD8#t=15 << 4-cycle petrol engine built from that fridge's compressor.

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4 - YouTube

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ahaha

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FabianB :) danke

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np :)

01:34

%book

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2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151

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lol is the 201 guy someone who bought at 200 and they figure THEY MUST PROFT

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I have no idea

01:41

Maybe it is someone who wants to see the market go down to grab cheap ATC?

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mebbe

01:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00082258 = 8.6782 BTC [-]

01:52

dump, rebut in lower

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*rebuy

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02:23

nice

02:23

mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there?

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but they'll prolly have negative price :(

02:34

anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins

02:36

they'll prolly need free coinbr account provided i'll sell their souls.. does anyone want them?

02:37

lol what pm i got <Vexual> ill take a 0 fee br acct

02:37

!up Vexual

02:37

yeah about the soul..

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i'm ot sure i've got full title

02:38

markov chains did n't use to have souls

02:40

that doesn't preclude them to be sold anyway

02:43

yeah i'll have to read up on that

02:44

with the 10 percent...

02:44

perhaps someone will like to buy these

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id like to be the photographer when rich b sits down with mirc p

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i call it red wine and dentures

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cat hasn't even done a vice cover yet

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alternate cover:interviewer

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06947992 = 0.6948 BTC [-] {2}

03:48

http://i.imgur.com/4xJH4ui.jpg

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lol

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpbw_MfIAAAXg1o.jpg:large

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!up Vexual

04:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24755 @ 0.00082279 = 20.3682 BTC [+] {3}

04:21

New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/19/bitcoin-and-bowl-games/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI9ifCMk0Dg

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Rick Ross - Nobody (Explicit) ft. French Montana, Puff Daddy - YouTube

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http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2014/06/16/crime-reports-macon-june-16/10631943/

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Bibb Crime Files: Man accidentally shoots himself in penis

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkw-FOGn7mc

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Iggy Azalea - Fancy - YouTube

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sokdL-0iV9s

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BODY COUNT - Talk S**t, Get Shot (Official Music Video) - YouTube

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.06967197 = 2.4385 BTC [+] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06999999 = 1.05 BTC [+]

05:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00082424 = 8.4485 BTC [+]

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05:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00082424 = 7.7891 BTC [+]

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06:31

!up ronkrt

06:31

meh

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a.

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07:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00082278 = 4.9778 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 79 @ 0.06822862 = 5.3901 BTC [-] {6}

07:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06738554 = 1.3477 BTC [-] {5}

07:47

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28j5y1/the_future_of_money_part_two/

07:47

The Future of Money, Part Two. : Bitcoin

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08:02

lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00082201 = 26.0577 BTC [-] {3}

08:41

http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock

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bl.ocks.org - mbostock

08:56

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06947638 = 0.9032 BTC [-]

08:58

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0694999 = 0.6255 BTC [+]

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09:23

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06949931 = 1.1815 BTC [-] {3}

09:28

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.06999998 = 3.71 BTC [+] {4}

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09:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.03847462 = 1.1158 BTC [-]

09:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00082131 = 11.3341 BTC [-] {2}

09:55

if i understand: BitPay get acquired by Facebook. D.BPAY holders are entitled to some share of the increase in facebook market cap.

09:56

if that is true, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. if Facebook pays the right amount for BitPay, market cap shouldn't move. Facebook will be -$1b in cash and +$1b in value due to bitpay.

09:56

whereas bitpay investors will get rich.

09:57

wait, what?

09:57

Facebook is buying Bitpay?

09:57

or at least liquid, since they were already rich in value.

09:59

fluffypony: no, this is an example.

10:08

I'm gonna be at porcfest next week; what can I do for the -assets community beyond generally promoting it in conversation?

10:10

danielpbarron want a tshirt ?

10:10

I ordered one from nubbins` already; is there another shirt?

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aok

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nah i was gonna buy you one :)

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I don't expect that to arrive before I leave

10:11

well so next time

10:11

try to pay for stuff in bitcoin

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or justkeep your bitcoin. either way :D

10:11

i don't think i'll go to any future porcfests; i kinda regret buying the ticket for this one but i might as well use it at this point

10:11

yeah i plan in selling stuff for BTC; not interested in shorting it

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i never been, how they go ?

10:12

http://porcfest.com/ hmm, i don't think this is what you're talking about.

10:12

PorcFest | The 11th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival

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yeah that's it

10:13

oh :) is the porcupine community into bitcoin?

10:13

now im getting airbnb spam

10:13

i've never been either; it's gonna be teeming with what MP refers to as "libertards"

10:13

what the fuck srsly, the vc circuit is reducing to a spam&scamfest

10:13

mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters

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<danielpbarron> mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters << libertards srsly ?!

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mircea_popescu, the "free state project" participants, yes

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ah yea

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well thats a different breed of libtards, not lefties

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i recall some story of ver going to visit ian from free talk live and convincing them to accept BTC for selling ad space

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libertards != libtards

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ok, ok. this has nothing to do with the animal.

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i think aantonop is going to be there, among other "well known" idiots in the "bitcoin community"

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coinapult is a gold sponsor of the fest

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wear a helmet, i guess.

10:18

hello

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wondering if anyone news sites have covered F.DERP yet...

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uh any*

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i doubt

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HeySteve go ahead.

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anyway, off to a meeting, will bbl.

10:22

cool

10:22

mircea_popescu, I'd like to speak to you about it when you're back

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!up peterl

10:23

!up peterl

10:24

peterl

trying to wrap my head around what F.DERP is

10:24

peterl

does it profit from the derp companies doing good or bad?

10:24

a bet against "amazing companies" I guess

10:24

AMAZING COMPANY!

10:25

wish I'd gotten short on that wannabe pornstar guy who gambled all his investor's funds away

10:25

the thing is you cant go short cause idiots are idiots.

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kakobrekla, I believe idiocy will eventually end in failure. sure there might be an initial boom while other idiots pile in but...

10:27

HeySteve: infinite hitpoints

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well not infinite but over 7 billion

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which i guess is as good as infinite

10:29

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0695 = 0.695 BTC [+]

10:31

kakobrekla, the idiot pool could theoretically stop replenishing itself

10:31

I assume BitPay and BitGo (which I haven't heard of) are the relevant companies

10:31

I wouldn't bet on it

10:38

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+]

10:45

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.06740031 = 2.8982 BTC [-] {5}

10:55

lobbes

the more I read the logs, the more humble I become. Then I read the blogs...

10:57

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13VVSFH.txt )

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!b 1

10:57

did ya read the bash?

11:02

ThickAsThieves

<+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds. /// Sure, can someone provide the landing content/file? ;;later tell me or such, I'm very behind on logs and distracted by day trading lately

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sure, it's not a web page though, it's a DNS thing

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you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.

11:06

More lulzy feedback from the litecoin article:

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"your article on litecoin is one of the worst, most unresearched journalism attempts ive ever seen. Hang your head in shame"

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"your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives."

11:07

"Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up"

11:07

New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-roi/

11:08

dammit, thought i changed that url...

11:08

ThickAsThieves

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http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co

11:08

Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?

11:08

I already linked to the github repo for it

11:08

asciilifeform: huh

11:08

i'm seeing the same

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https://twitter.com/KryptoKoolio/status/479635487213486080

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/bitcoinpete Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up

11:09

Blazedout419

;;isitdown mpex.co

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i really gotta get clued up

11:09

mpex.co is down

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Blazedout419

^^ grib can checks

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its down

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neato

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quite neat

11:10

mircea_popescu: another smoking disk ?

11:10

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06504115 = 6.5041 BTC [-] {14}

11:10

he is off on a meeting or smth

11:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-]

11:14

New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/19/the-free-health-club-membership-an-experiment-in-monthly-vs-annual-payments/

11:14

so penguirker re-posts when the url is changed eh

11:15

;;isitdown mpex.coinbr.com

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mpex.coinbr.com is up

11:16

modern teknologies

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http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-forms-committee-create-bitcoin-unicode-symbol/ << committees!

11:18

Bitcoin Foundation Mulling Standard BTC Denominations, Bitcoin Unicode

11:21

bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do?

11:21

bitcoinbong is still my favourite

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lol

11:22

"that coffee will be 19 bitcoinbongs, please"

11:31

"The company known for computer chips on Thursday plans to announce the availability of an app that lets people leave offbeat animated messages using smartphones. It exploits the device’s camera and microphone to capture a user’s facial movements and voice, which are used to control cartoon-like figures known as avatars in recorded sequences."

11:31

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/intel-serves-up-mobile-message-avatars/

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Intel Serves up Mobile-Message Avatars - Digits - WSJ

11:32

but i bet intel's rng is still good

11:33

on the amd side… http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/19/amd-vows-25-fold-increase-in-chip-energy-efficiency/

11:33

AMD Vows 25-Fold Increase in Chip Energy-Efficiency - Digits - WSJ

11:33

which should be useful for mining and such

11:34

herro eberybady

11:35

moiety: heya

11:37

this could be important... http://wikileaks.org/tisa-financial/

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Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex

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11:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2259989 = 1.13 BTC [-] {2}

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.72668865 BTC to 9`245 shares, 18677 satoshi per share

12:00

!up kermit

12:00

!up alex_c

12:01

omg im so nervous thinking about BB, can't wait to hear how it all went today. i know he'll be fine but still

12:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00082384 = 13.2638 BTC [+]

12:14

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.82877738 BTC. Current weight: 39,102.

12:16

$traded

12:16

FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE

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!mpif

12:17

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021674 BTC (Total: 433.49 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

12:25

they've made 11 videos from OSCON 2013 available for free http://www.oscon.com/oscon2014/public/content/mainstage-video?imm_mid=0be4b3&cmp=em-prog-confreg-info-os14_free_video_mainstage

12:25

Mainstage Video: OSCON 2014 - O'Reilly Conferences, July 20 - 24, 2014, Portland, OR

12:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24991 @ 0.0008251 = 20.6201 BTC [+]

12:42

bitstein

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression + http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419 = much fun for bitcoin

12:42

Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge

12:42

Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :: SSRN

12:52

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06659999 = 0.999 BTC [-] {2}

12:56

yeah bitstein, seems russia are a move ahead again

12:56

mircea_popescu I am away now but will be back in about 8 hours or so

12:56

cheers all

12:57

good luck

13:00

moiety: went well

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:D brilliant BingoBoingo! When will they get in touch?

13:02

Late next week after the other interviews.

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I think I've got this one.

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Only two other people get interviewed

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/yo-app-1-million-dollars_n_5507634.html

13:08

An App That Does Nothing Except Say 'Yo' Raises One. Million. Dollars.

13:10

sorry for delay, just spilled coffee everywhere, which is really useful. only two others is even better BingoBoingo. do you think they will call? they're usually pretty good for that here

13:11

some people just make you wait on a letter which is just crap

13:11

moiety: They said they will. I think some things attractive about the job to me (odd hours, duties from four other people's jobs) are going to come out as turnoff in the other interviews.

13:12

exciting times! i think i've been more nervous than you today!

13:14

I also encountered one of asciilifeform's defective birds earlier in the day.

13:15

;;later tell bitcoinpete your latest post reminds me of the http://trollscience.com/ "infinite money"

13:15

Science You Wish Were True :: Troll Science

13:15

The operation succeeded.

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Attacked my windshield, and then was made to comply with a standard

13:25

'Murica http://www.salon.com/2014/06/19/honey_boo_boo_is_a_monster_what_reality_tv_did_to_the_pint_size_pageant_queen/

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Honey Boo Boo is a monster: What reality TV did to the pint-size pageant queen - Salon.com

13:33

…where the author realizes tv is fake. duh

13:34

BingoBoingo: birds ?

13:37

asciilifeform: Defective bird attacked my windshield. Unlike the bird that attacked your window... THis one could only make one attempt before being corrected by physics.

13:40

!up aabtc

13:40

helps when window moves.

13:41

asciilifeform: Indeed, self defending window. Only mess was some feathers and dust.

13:42

!up bigtip

13:43

pankkake, BingoBoingo: https://vimeo.com/68401939

13:43

Simpsons - Thermodynamic 2nd Law on Vimeo

13:45

lol /r/litecoin is bagholding so damn hard

13:46

%book

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35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151

13:48

%ticker

13:48

[X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 58k High: 201 Low: 200 VWAP: 200

13:49

http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/28k4v8/why_does_everybody_lie_and_say_that_litecoin_is/ lol so butthurt

13:49

Why does everybody lie and say that Litecoin is faster than Bitcoin? : litecoin

13:52

asciilifeform: Like with winnie the pooh do the Russians have a less jaundiced Simpsons?

13:53

BingoBoingo: not afaik

13:53

Shame

13:53

they have winnie the poo?

13:53

pankkake: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5swOZ1EYk

13:53

. . HD ! - YouTube

13:56

New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/update/

~ 17 minutes ~

14:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [+]

~ 30 minutes ~

14:44

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.2259989 = 21.4699 BTC [-]

14:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1890 @ 0.00082419 = 1.5577 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

15:04

!up frank1e

15:14

ThickAsThieves

<+asciilifeform> 'Avarus, Inc. (we, us, our) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a blank check shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol! /// The Havelock System

15:17

so do bits go missing from logs if assbot isn't here?

15:17

yup

15:18

ah, thanks

15:22

$traded

15:22

FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE

15:23

aha, S.BBET during netsplit

15:23

gorgeous power politics: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fracking/10911942/Russia-in-secret-plot-against-fracking-Nato-chief-says.html

15:23

Russia in secret plot against fracking, Nato chief says - Telegraph

15:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00082513 = 15.0174 BTC [+] {2}

15:25

http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/servers/onmetal/

15:34

http://thecodelesscode.com/case/26

15:34

The Codeless Code: Case 26 The Uncorrected Monk

15:47

'Perhaps the Russians are worried about our huge wind and solar potential, and have infiltrated the UK Government.' << lol. wreckers.

15:59

wreckers?

16:00

benkay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_people

16:00

Enemy of the people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16:01

myeah

16:01

thx

16:12

http://www.coindesk.com/bolivias-central-bank-bans-bitcoin-digital-currencies/

16:12

Bolivia's Central Bank Bans Bitcoin and All Digital Currencies

16:17

pankkake: it begins :)

16:18

argentina had a chance to do the same before the Migration

16:19

benkay, but argentina has this habit of doing different than everyone else

16:20

i wouldn't really know

16:20

haven't been around long enough or read enough

16:24

!mpif

16:24

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021682 BTC (Total: 433.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]

16:25

!jd mpif

16:25

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.39784744 BTC; +0.37267627 BTC (+0.2179%) since last check 1d 9h 3m 49s ago.

16:29

$depth f.mpif

16:29

FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021682 100 @ 0.00021674 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021664

16:29

FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 444 @ 0.00021726 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000

~ 30 minutes ~

16:59

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/wikileaks-publish-secret-trade-services-agreement-tisa-financial-services-annex/

16:59

Wikileaks Publish Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex

16:59

yo

17:00

o hai

17:02

how goes!

17:02

NEED MOAR DEALS

17:03

"Hello, mpex.co is under ddos. To stop the attack, send 0.25 BTC to 1DNExFs45Tmfyxp3aG9k9HQ1q6euWB7Sus

↖

17:03

It's one time payment, after which you will not hear from me again (and you are free to publish my name and email on your blog)"

17:03

monster is hungry and must be appeased

17:03

did this actually happen ?

17:03

i was out

17:03

o wait, i guess i didn't miss anything. "If you don't pay me now, tomorrow price will increase to 0.5 BTC."

17:04

what kind of turdmeister asks for 1/4 btc ?!

17:04

uh isnt a ddos supposed ot make page load slow? fail

17:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00082155 = 13.4323 BTC [-] {4}

17:04

lol

17:04

ask me not.

17:04

well it was dead earlier today

17:04

chetty: he paid him ;)

17:04

right

17:04

guess the hand-cranked spamatron operator grew tired

17:04

i did ?!

17:05

hand cranked spamatron lol

17:06

i can't stop imagining various hand-cranked things

17:06

battleship.

17:06

offset press

17:06

john deere corn processor

17:07

fridge.

17:07

ithink fridge, phone and washing machine actulaly existed

17:07

and dildo/vibrator, prolly.

17:07

laugh now

17:07

cry later:

17:07

https://musingsonentropy.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/the-killcap-refrigerator-working-title

17:07

The KillCap Refrigerator | musings on entropy

17:08

'...the machine I would most like to develop is a pedal powered refrigerator and possibly freezer.'

17:08

why fridges spill all the cold air out every time one opens them, i'll never understand.

17:08

so did england justget eliminated ?

17:09

('absorption' type fridge fueled with the bugger's own fat would be considerably more efficient. but for some reason he did not suggest this variant.)

17:10

benkay: i once worked with laboratory (-80C) units that didn't. a pump moved the cold air to reservoir when you turned the handle. room air pumped in, door opens. reverse when close hadle.

17:10

*handle

17:11

is this...sane?

17:11

afaik this was to keep co2 crystals from covering everything

17:11

(they still seemed to do so)

17:12

i think if they did it the other way you couldn't pass

17:12

(that, and ice)

17:12

so i go to this place where i normally have an orange juice "exprimido" which means freshly pressed with a two liter bottle, asked them to fill it

17:12

girly is like... well you ok to wait a little ? we gotta send someone to buy oranges.

17:13

im more than happy to wait for real fresh juice

17:15

it ends here?

17:15

where is the "fuck off im outta here?"

17:15

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/19/dov-charney-american-apparel

17:15

American Apparel sacks Dov Charney as chairman and suspends him as CEO | Business | The Guardian

17:15

^ i lel'd

17:17

the fucked part is at the end where it says blank tees retail in their shops for 30GBP

17:17

:0

17:17

i mean, i know london is far from L.A.

17:17

kakobrekla i just read teh newspaper

17:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20808 @ 0.00081773 = 17.0153 BTC [-] {2}

17:17

nubbins` what'd he do anyway ?

17:18

just general sleaze, other execs got tired of it

17:18

oh and the whole losing $100m last year i guess didn't help

17:27

morning

17:30

ah

17:30

!up publio

17:31

evening, punkman

17:31

publio

thanks mp

17:36

sure.

17:41

publio

since btc is being touted as a replacement for fiat, has anybody been following the btcusd:xauusd ratio?

17:41

not much

17:42

;;ticker --currency xau

17:42

Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.480816, Best ask: 0.480832, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 0.480832, 24 hour volume: 3043.21557294, 24 hour low: 0.480832, 24 hour high: 0.487984, 24 hour vwap: 0.0

17:42

publio: ^^

17:42

fwiw.

17:43

publio

gold shot up $40 today, yet btc is flat

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06899998 = 2.76 BTC [+]

17:43

the relation is very slight.

17:43

;;bc,xau

17:44

1 XAU = 1319.300000000000 USD = 2.19700249792 BTC

17:44

http://imgur.com/pgRiYFC

17:44

imgur: the simple image sharer

17:44

"what's a zero in roman noomerels?"

17:45

oh god

17:45

lol

17:45

Bet placed: 1.6 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.16199681 BTC. Current weight: 9,848.

17:45

"just draw it with corners"

17:45

roman numerals 2.3

17:46

ahaha

17:47

MMXV, II0IV, same shit

17:47

nod

17:48

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06810728 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {2}

17:48

and then i rant about how us people don't speak latin. what speak latin lol.

17:48

jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there? << what'd be d.bbs ?

17:49

blackberry sextenger

17:49

jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins <<< are you saying the claim that someone "invested" 30mn usd in bitpay are false ?

17:49

New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/con-alma-de-tango/

17:52

mike_c:whereas bitpay investors will get rich. << how'd you go about it ?

17:53

well, acquisition is liquidity event for bitpay investors, but if appropriately priced would not affect acquirer's short-term market cap.

17:53

but also if appropriately priced it'd be priced at 0.

17:54

heh

17:54

to rephrase: buying a $1b asset does not change market cap.

17:54

anyway, reason the contracts aren't signed yet is because i wanna see what the general community thinks

17:55

buying a 1bn asset for 1bn does not change book value

17:55

right.

17:56

it just feels like a situation where bitpay fiat investors would clean up but d.bpay investors could lose big.

17:57

alternatively, bitpay gets sold for $50k to facebook, which moves up 25% that month

17:57

bitpay fiat investors get wiped, d.bpay make bank

17:57

there's really very little way to price fraudulent sales.

17:57

facebook can announce a 20bn buy of something worth 0 any time it pleases.

17:57

odds are it will do so.

17:58

if actual bitcoin is at stake, it doing so becomes a certainty.

17:58

yeah.. but if the returns are not well connected to the returns fiat investors see (btc forex risk ignored) it may not have the effect you are looking for.

17:59

well, fortuntely economy is additive.

17:59

anyway, do you see a constructive solution ?

18:00

i'm not sure i see one you will like.

18:00

let me be the judge of that lol

18:00

well, facebook doesn't just announce a 20bn purchase. they are public, they have to record what they pay.

18:01

so you could use that purchase price. this does get complicated with (cash + stock + incentives) though.

18:01

to some degree

18:01

but no, in general the "purchase price" is more of a pr device than an accounting device these days

18:02

there are both, the PR and the accounting. the PR being cash + stock + incentives. but cash + stock is accounting

18:03

of course, the stock is generally restricted..

18:03

it's complicated. i'll ponder some more.

18:04

in case you didn't realize, it's complicated! :D

18:04

:)

18:05

fluffypony:

18:05

bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do? <<< course this is long ago resolved, http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/#identifier_4_47551

18:05

MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:05

not entirely sure why the foundation derps think anyone asked them anything on the score, but then again... it's kinda what they do, isn't it.

~ 28 minutes ~

18:34

;;later tell pankkake lol yup, this is pretty much it http://trollscience.com/troll/view/8147

18:34

Infinite money! :: Troll Science

18:34

The operation succeeded.

18:35

;;later tell fluffypony doesn't this remind you of usagi? http://trollscience.com/troll/view/8117

18:35

No more expired Milk! :: Troll Science

18:35

The operation succeeded.

18:40

bc,stats

18:40

;;bc,stats

18:40

18:43

!jd mpif

18:43

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.84862188 BTC; +0.45077444 BTC (+0.2630%) since last check 2h 17m 56s ago.

18:44

whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup.

18:46

looking good, TheNewDeal

18:48

for sure

18:50

fluffypony: mircea_popescu i found our term for 10'000 satoshi: satoshi's calf http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/cow_s_calf_1

18:50

Cow's calf is Cockney Rhyming Slang for 50 pence!

18:51

cow's calf is the only slang term for half a quid i could find

18:53

bitcoinpete: why don't we call it a moiety

18:54

please do! :D

18:54

punkman: that would be quite the honour

18:54

moiety means one half of a whole anyways

19:00

<mike_c> whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup. << lmao

19:00

bitcoinpete i recall it was discussed here back then, FabianB came up with an azn term

19:01

guxy or something

19:01

a ic

19:02

"So let’s recognize the world has changed a bit over the last two decades and call them for what they are. These aren’t startups - and most of the upside from investing in these companies comes before they even go public, not after the fact."

19:02

http://blog.louisgray.com/2014/06/the-myth-of-billion-dollar-startup.html

19:02

louisgray.com: The Myth of the Billion Dollar Startup

19:02

speaking of d.btgo and d.bpay

19:03

course the problem here is mpex is kinda the billion dollar start-up

19:03

or at least was, before inept management and so forth killed half its value :D

19:04

mircea_popescu: when did mpex peak?

19:04

i think when btc was 1.2k

19:05

in dollar syou mean ?

19:05

in btc

19:05

never mind ;)

19:06

in btc it sorta fought for 1 like 3 or 4 times

19:07

about this time last year

19:07

1 guxy/moiety/satoshi's calf, that is...

19:08

mod6

punkman: here's a chart: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/

19:08

S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha

19:08

"I have found that being nice builds your reputation. I have found that leaving money on the table, and being generous, pays dividends." << fred wilson

19:08

http://avc.com/2014/06/be-nice-or-leave/

19:08

Be Nice Or Leave AVC

19:08

what's avc again ?

19:09

i'd like to short that idiocy.

19:09

is a blog

19:09

mthreat

he's a VC from NYC.

19:09

https://twitter.com/fredwilson

19:09

Fred Wilson (fredwilson) auf Twitter

19:09

mthreat no i know who the guy is, just, avc didn't compute

19:10

but whatever, leave hius blog. i wasn't even there.

19:18

anyone know of the mpoe vwap of the entirety of 2013?

19:18

just curious

19:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFUKK6c_seY

19:30

Chet Baker "Summertime" - YouTube

19:35

can't believe someone put down 1.6 on BTC above 800 before july. 5 days ago would have had twice the timweight

19:36

saw that

19:36

bizarre

19:36

https://twitter.com/niccary/status/479241161568038912

19:36

Reddit asks. Reddit gets. /hashtag/sneakpeak?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash iOS /Apple coming soon http://t.co/pmdlO4KAyb

19:36

as is cary's pandering

19:36

even stranger. Go look at the last 2 bets on bastille day

19:38

;;later tell Mats_cd03 I apologize for logging - I had to get some sleep for an early morning. I generally check the logs within a few days, so it's still productive to write for the record.

19:38

The operation succeeded.

19:38

TheNewDeal lol such weight

19:40

last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers

19:42

re: wreckers - sounds like a good description of the environmental lobby to me. bring back RSFSR penal code article 58

19:44

wtf is going on blockchain.info

19:44

nvm must not refresh like I thought

19:44

decimation: wreckers << brought up because of brits blaming russian agents for 'discounting our wonderful renewable energy potential'

19:46

off to the library...

19:49

yeah that's stupid. If I were Russia I would fund the environmentalists to protest sane solutions like nuclear fission and promote insane solutions like wind

19:49

supporting the losers who oppose the new pantheism of our elites would be dumb

19:50

where do you imagine us/euro enviro-whiners came from

19:50

hehe yeah exactly. And the wreckers (kulaks, rednecks, red-staters, etc) are all the same 'round the world

20:03

<TheNewDeal> wtf is going on blockchain.info // have they gone evil yet?

20:04

haha possibly. I was just looking at the website and apparently only the first block on the top was refreshing. List read 306725 , 306719, 306718....

20:04

thought GHASH pulled a sneaky one and solved like 6 blocks in a row

20:05

;;calc 0.0001 * 600

20:05

0.06

20:06

miners fee?

20:06

;;calc 0.001 * 600

20:06

0.6

20:06

wow this site wants to use 0.001 as a miners fee

20:06

bold

20:07

that's like jurov's 0.02 withdrawal fee lol

20:08

hahahaha

~ 31 minutes ~

20:39

;;rate Mats_cd03 1 voice

20:39

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Mats_cd03 has been recorded.

20:40

Mats_cd03 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

20:46

!up Mats_cd03

20:46

har har

20:48

;;rate mats 1 temporary voice

20:48

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded.

20:49

Did you lose your voice mats ?

20:51

i lost my gpg passphrase

20:51

much shame upon family

20:52

sucks :( I will take this as a reminder to test out my backup arrangements

21:03

in this instance, my brain was the failure mode

21:04

http://www.brookings.edu/events/2014/06/10-defense-department-information-technology-acquisition

21:04

Moore's Law Goes To War: How Can The Department Of Defense Keep Pace With Changes In IT? | Brookings Institution

21:04

fucking academics... moore's law is dead

21:14

%book

21:14

35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

21:22

!up Mats_cd03

21:22

he can do that himself nao

21:22

unless lost pass again.

21:24

You never know...

~ 15 minutes ~

21:40

re: moore's law http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/18/intel_fpga_custom_chip/

21:40

Intel reveals its FrankenChip ARM killer: one FPGA and one Xeon IN ONE SOCKET The Register

21:51

decimation: for some years, there were fpga on the market that fit into an intel or amd cpu socket

21:51

decimation: built by nallatech (nsa contractor) and a few other outfits. thus, golden toilet prices

21:52

it is interesting, but there's no word on the details, like dynamic reconfiguration

21:52

but at least these were traditional fpga and one could (at least in the case of xilinx) use linux toolchain, traditional vhdl/verilog, etc

21:52

you think that won't be the case with this intel chip?

21:52

in the case of the intel product, even if it is placed on open market - you'll have to wait for reverse-engineered loader

21:53

(intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.)

21:53

but... this is intel's solution to "open" arm competition. Why would they start with a proprietary toolchain?

21:53

this is merely idiocy of the journalist

21:53

afaik there is no mass-market arm/fpga combo ic

21:54

no, but somehow according to the journalist companies like google would prefer to buy this intel fpga/cpu rather than an arm chip

21:54

(actually there may be. fpga/cpu combo is a dime a dozen - xilinx made ppc/fpga cores for ages. but a modern pc arch cpu is something rather else)

21:55

PPC's modern

21:55

I'm pretty sure altera makes an fpga with an arm core

21:55

modern clock rate

21:55

probably ... in an intel fab

21:56

idea is, intel fears for its life, because x86 (and all the compatibility kludges that enable 20 years of crapola to run) is doomed.

21:56

Ah, features like an MMU aren't enough anymore. Now your need the pretense of "fast"

21:56

danger of sane folks moving onto linux/arm (or whatever other arch)

21:56

aside from the journalist, there is an implict admission from intel here ... "We have no idea how to organize the transistors on our chip, here - have an FPGA"

21:56

so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow

21:56

this is a lock-in play.

21:57

well, it's already happened on the mobile world - which is the only world selling chips in large quantities

21:57

intel did once propose to stuff x86 turdballs in phones - to laughter around the world

21:57

intel's afraid that google et. al. will switch to arm in the server room - leaving the x86 market to ... nobody at all

21:58

well, the high end

21:58

even those xscale chips that flopped weren't x86 as I recall

21:58

(where their margin is fattest)

21:58

yeah there's still the "computing" computing market that mostly uses xeons

21:58

xscale was their attempt at the true microcontroller market

21:58

but I don't think intel is going to survive on xeon chips alone

21:59

the only people truly married to x86 are the folks bound to microshit

21:59

i think at this point this isn't really controversial

22:00

and the scientific computing market is not wed to microshit

22:00

so if there is a serious linux based alternative cpu for them -- they are gone

22:00

there is a reason we have the word - 'wintel'

22:00

the two are 'partners in crime'

22:01

they still might sell some low end chips to idiots who want to run word or whatever

22:02

microsoft is pretty much in the same position

22:02

there are some games and business software that they have lock-in on

22:02

but that's also looking like a pretty niche market

22:02

profitable. it is good starting money asset wise

22:03

ooos mt

22:03

video games rule

22:03

intel market cap 150B; microsoft market cap 342B

22:04

at least intel can lease fabs to third parties

22:04

recall how intel helped ms to cripple os/2

22:04

(secret instructions)

22:04

yeah this whole affair reminds me very much of os/2

22:04

except now microsoft is the out-of-touch monopoly with no ideas

22:04

intel is ms hardware arm.

22:05

has been nothing but this, since 1990 or so.

22:05

The piece of software most damaging to progress in computing in history has probably been Microsoft Office

22:05

ms on the other hand is... usg department of compyooting.

22:05

yeah that's true, the only organization on earth that will voluntarily use ms is the usg

22:06

only when seen in this light do the facts begin to make sense.

22:06

"you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars"

22:07

hahaha

22:07

this turns into "everyone" uses ms to transact business, we have no choice...

22:08

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2162519/windows/dod-saves--100m-a-year-with-new-microsoft-licensing-deal.html

22:08

DOD saves $100M a year with new Microsoft licensing deal | Network World

22:09

that's like the people who clip out all the coupons and then go shopping to save money

22:09

if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on

22:10

as if this was ever a goal.

22:10

that's pretty much the mission statement of the nsa, gov't labs, et al

22:10

note that very little progress has been made

22:11

usg has exactly the os it wants.

22:11

Apocalyptic

heh

22:12

and intel products are the very same ideas, incarnated as hardware.

22:13

(decades of legacy crud, endless mine of 'plausibly deniable' bug, documentation that would fill an entire bookcase and - when available - in heavily censored version, etc.)

22:13

*

asciilifeform blows dust of volumes of intel & amd cpu manual

22:14

^ what isn't in there is considerably more interesting than what is

22:14

example:

22:15

the only real source of genuine documentation on intel cpu initialization is:

22:15

leaked AMI bios from a few years ago.

22:15

(*leaked source)

22:17

very telling detail - neither intel nor amd publish microcode documentation. (intel's microcode loader is known only from the leaked ami src, afaik. amd's is public. intel crypts their patches, amd - no. both release opaque binary blobs for microcode, no docs.)

22:17

it is odd that one of the companies doesn't try to be open to get more market share

22:18

lol

22:18

intel is arm of usg. amd - produces clones at the crown's pleasure (see agreement with intel)

22:18

stops playing ball - no more clone.

22:19

but it's probably the case that if you are correct - that these microcode patches may weaken usg's own infrastructure

22:20

I keep telling people an OpenSparc *nix netbook would sell

22:20

usg is not interested in securing own infrastructure in this sense.

22:20

see, e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323

22:20

Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.

22:20

I need to read Eco's book, I've seen it mentioned in many places

22:21

first rule of usg comsec - secure machine must not come to exist, the wrong folks might use it.

22:21

kbg followed same rule, with soviet 'gost' cipher scheme

22:22

note the observation about how no known u.s. military crypto gizmo allows generation of keys by the operator. ever.

22:22

all keys come from the continent.

22:22

(no prizes for guessing why)

22:23

usg concept of seekoority -> controlled porosity.

22:24

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/06/19/mulling_iraq_options_begin_by_telling_me_which_of_these_groups_you_want_to_bomb passable writeup of factions

22:24

Mulling Iraq options: Begin by telling me which of these groups you want to bomb

22:24

because 'sane machine for me but not for thee' doesn't work - can't guarantee future loyalty of the folks you issue the hardware to.

22:25

yeah that's an interesting theory

22:28

plenty of hard drives have aes "built-in", supposedly

22:29

ie http://news.softpedia.com/news/Stonewood-039-s-Eclypt-Drive-the-AES-256-Data-Fortress-84632.shtml

22:29

Stonewood's Eclypt Drive: the AES-256 Data Fortress

22:33

;;gettrust gigavps

22:33

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011

22:38

%book

22:38

35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160

22:39

%diff

22:39

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434630.21 in 476 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24

22:42

%ticker

22:42

[X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 58k High: 235 Low: 200 VWAP: 200

22:50

;;ticker

22:50

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.52, Best ask: 594.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 594.0, 24 hour volume: 5350.24576182, 24 hour low: 589.01, 24 hour high: 609.98, 24 hour vwap: 0

22:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21000006 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}

22:52

;;lasers

22:52

┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

22:53