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00:00	asciilifeform	sucks for the aficionados.
00:00	mircea_popescu	twas kinda dead anyway. us moving to a new puritan paradigm. gays made it, bdsm-ers did not.
00:00	mircea_popescu	such a soviet.
00:00	asciilifeform	somebody's gotta be lowered into pederasty. what kind of russian prison can you run without this.
00:04	mircea_popescu	who was doing bitcoinj again ?
00:04	mircea_popescu	!up Blazedout419
00:04	mircea_popescu	!up blg
00:08	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I believe Hearn does bitcoinJ
00:08	mircea_popescu	myeah.
00:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the response from the op is... http://collarspace.com/
00:11	assbot	LadyTerra15877 ree. no cost, no obligation. It might be the most important thing youdo this year !
00:11	mircea_popescu	new domain, nary a word. the end.
00:12	asciilifeform	who's surprised?
00:12	mircea_popescu	tbh i was kinda expectring moar drama, but hey.
00:12	mircea_popescu	they don't have a bitcoin price to pump up
00:18	Mats_cd03	new domain but the site sucks; lots of whitespace to my right on a 4:3 screen
00:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22623 @ 0.00082177 = 18.5909 BTC [-] {2}
00:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18277 @ 0.00082059 = 14.9979 BTC [-]
00:26	thestringpuller	;;ticker
00:26	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 592.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 592.2, 24 hour volume: 9345.60777045, 24 hour low: 552.11, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 574.809383939
00:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28508 @ 0.00082979 = 23.6557 BTC [+] {2}
00:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4952 @ 0.00083193 = 4.1197 BTC [+]
00:43	thestringpuller	%diff
00:43	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436334.06 in 875 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.01
00:43	thestringpuller	shit's gonna plummet
00:44	mircea_popescu	iirc it's usually at -70%
00:45	thestringpuller	it has to go up sometimes?
00:48	Apocalyptic	it did somthing like +400% at the previous diff periode
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0299999 = 0.9 BTC [+] {2}
00:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.20618858 = 8.8661 BTC [-] {9}
00:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.2005441 = 13.637 BTC [-] {8}
00:52	mircea_popescu	goes up 400% in like 3 days, then -70% over, predictably, fourish weeks
00:52	mircea_popescu	consequently, it spends most time at -70%
00:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9761 @ 0.00082185 = 8.0221 BTC [-]
01:02	Apocalyptic	;;later tell bitstein interesting essay, thank you
01:02	gribble	The operation succeeded.
01:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00081935 = 27.4482 BTC [-]
01:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24447 @ 0.00082244 = 20.1062 BTC [+] {2}
01:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00081935 = 19.6644 BTC [-]
01:26	FabianB	kakobrekla: can i get a wiki account for bot documentation?
01:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 148 @ 0.07299964 = 10.8039 BTC [+] {2}
01:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299957 = 0.803 BTC [-]
01:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00081935 = 2.4581 BTC [-]
01:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07185598 = 0.5748 BTC [-]
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02:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21699945 = 0.868 BTC [+] {2}
02:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9741 @ 0.00008957 = 0.8725 BTC [+] {3}
02:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10224 @ 0.00009919 = 1.0141 BTC [+] {4}
02:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27537 @ 0.00081956 = 22.5682 BTC [+] {2}
02:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07120222 = 0.712 BTC [-]
02:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0701102 = 0.7011 BTC [-]
02:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06983312 = 1.1173 BTC [-] {8}
02:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06802194 = 4.0813 BTC [-] {8}
02:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.066666 = 3.0666 BTC [-]
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03:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 57 @ 0.0295 = 1.6815 BTC [-] {3}
03:10	benkay	pretty sure i just did the biggest whole-app refactor of my life.
03:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0295 = 0.649 BTC [-]
03:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00081873 = 18.9945 BTC [-] {3}
03:23	benkay	i have learned so much...veritably do i reel from the things i have now taught myself to never do again
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03:47	jurov	;;bc,stats
03:47	gribble	Current Blocks: 306088 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13114734304.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.55256
03:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10163 @ 0.00081745 = 8.3077 BTC [-] {2}
04:12	pankkake	The overwhelming evidence for the past year is that even if Ken Slaughter had good intention to produce miners, doing so was beyond his skill and organizational level and he soon began lying to us all.
04:12	pankkake	just what I told them months ago, as "why it's a scam"
		~ 16 minutes ~
04:29	pankkake	I have contacted MSD and am providng them with copies of emails in which Ken Slaughter made all sorts of promises to me. I have enough in the correspondence he wrote me to nail him to a wall.
04:29	pankkake	Earlier on, when Ken Slaughter needed money, he would write long emails to people.
04:29	pankkake	Luckily, I saved it all and it will all be forwarded to Mr. Johnson.
04:29	pankkake	I'd really like to see those emails
04:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00081578 = 2.9841 BTC [-]
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04:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.02984209 = 0.567 BTC [+] {2}
04:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14892 @ 0.00081998 = 12.2111 BTC [+]
04:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06998415 = 1.3997 BTC [+]
04:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0719999 = 3.6 BTC [+] {3}
04:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19164 @ 0.0008166 = 15.6493 BTC [-]
05:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24136 @ 0.00082224 = 19.8456 BTC [+] {3}
05:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 25 @ 0.08 = 2 BTC [-]
05:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7514 @ 0.00081506 = 6.1244 BTC [-]
		~ 29 minutes ~
05:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00081983 = 10.0839 BTC [+]
05:57	davout	kakobrekla: so what was the answer wrt the http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/ resolution in the case there is only a rebranding, and trading happens at paymium.com ?
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05:57	assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.37 B (4%) on Yes, 10.09 B (96%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 80`628 (100`000 to 1)
05:58	davout	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2014#720371
05:58	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
05:58	gribble	The operation succeeded.
06:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00082396 = 14.0073 BTC [+] {2}
06:19	punkman	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/starbucks-to-provide-free-college-education-to-thousands-of-workers.html
06:19	assbot	Log In - The New York Times
06:20	punkman	too bad they didn't start their own university
06:31	punkman	;;later tell BingoBoingo this might interest you http://i.imgur.com/R0vZeC3.png
06:31	gribble	The operation succeeded.
		~ 16 minutes ~
06:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1200 @ 0.000451 = 0.5412 BTC [+] {2}
06:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07114285 = 0.996 BTC [-] {2}
07:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00082323 = 5.8038 BTC [-]
07:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69283 @ 0.000827 = 57.297 BTC [+] {4}
		~ 23 minutes ~
07:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.0008296 = 32.7692 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 15 minutes ~
07:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.23511045 = 3.2915 BTC [+] {10}
07:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.24283427 = 1.6998 BTC [+] {3}
07:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00082899 = 15.8569 BTC [-]
07:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21518 @ 0.00082323 = 17.7143 BTC [-]
07:51	kakobrekla	;;later tell artifexd yes
07:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:51	kakobrekla	;;later tell FabianB yes
07:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:52	kakobrekla	;;late tell davout no fuckin clue.
07:52	gribble	Error: "late" is not a valid command.
07:52	kakobrekla	;;later tell davout no fuckin clue.
07:52	gribble	The operation succeeded.
07:52	artifexd	kakobrekla: how do I receive or create login creds?
07:53	kakobrekla	pm me your email
07:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25983989 = 1.2992 BTC [+]
08:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.25983989 = 3.6378 BTC [+]
08:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00081836 = 66.7373 BTC [-] {5}
08:26	artifexd	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots <- bot authors, feel free to add your bots
08:26	assbot	irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
08:32	fluffypony	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/microsoft_catapult_fpgas/
08:32	assbot	Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register
08:32	fluffypony	clever
08:32	fluffypony	they bolt an FPGA inside a server to offload specific tasks to it
08:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00082099 = 11.5538 BTC [+]
08:38	pankkake	artifexd: good idea, I added mine
08:50	artifexd	pankkake: I claim no credit. It was mp's idea.
09:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07155 = 1.2164 BTC [+]
09:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07155 = 3.2198 BTC [+]
09:10	xmj	gentlemen.
09:11	xmj	anyone here know how long it'd take to incorporate in Hong Kong?
		~ 15 minutes ~
09:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.2299984 = 4.6 BTC [-] {2}
09:32	ThickAsThieves	Random thing i just remembered: Avalon
09:32	ThickAsThieves	i wonder how his chi is doing
09:34	ThickAsThieves	Yifu, that was the name, couldnt remember
09:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0008187 = 22.4324 BTC [-] {2}
09:38	Mats_cd03	real gud
09:40	fluffypony	nothing exciting: http://avalon-asics.com/category/news/
09:40	assbot	Avalon ASIC » News
09:43	fluffypony	this is actually kinda interesting
09:43	fluffypony	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/anders_hejlsberg_interview/
09:43	assbot	Microsoft C# chief Hejlsberg: Our open-source Apache pick will clear the FUD The Register
09:43	fluffypony	so MS have open-sourced C#
09:43	fluffypony	just not the CLR (Common-Language Runtime)
09:44	fluffypony	but since Mono already has a cross-platform implementation of the CLR
09:44	fluffypony	it means that C# will play nice cross-platform, and coding for Mono will be trivial
09:45	pankkake	microsoft complaining about FUD. fun
09:46	fluffypony	still, this could make C# an interesting language
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 171 @ 0.02081323 = 3.5591 BTC [+] {4}
09:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02086652 = 0.7303 BTC [+] {2}
09:56	mircea_popescu	davout the supreme court does not offer advisory oppinions. it'll only consider cases where there's a real controversy.
09:58	davout	mircea_popescu: so you're saying there's no way to ask for clarification regarding a bet wording?
09:59	fluffypony	take him out for supper first before asking for his opinion
09:59	mircea_popescu	there's no way to pull clarification. mods might push it, but you can't rely on that
09:59	mircea_popescu	the only approach is to make bets clear an' stick to it.
10:00	davout	aren't mods supposed to enforce bet clarity?
10:00	mircea_popescu	nope.
10:00	davout	lame
10:00	mircea_popescu	unavoidable.
10:00	pankkake	well then, why would anyone bet on the bet now?
10:00	mircea_popescu	but if i manage to hire some transcendents i might change it.
10:01	mircea_popescu	pankkake because they have a theory as to what it means.
10:01	davout	take this for example : "or if 30-day volume drops under 100 BTC. "
10:01	davout	volume taken from where ?
10:02	mircea_popescu	best effort :)
10:02	davout	refusing to clarify this, when asked well in advance doesn't really constitute best effort imo
10:03	mircea_popescu	"refusing to make me tortoise soup, when asked well in advance, doesn't constitute good mothership"
10:03	mircea_popescu	i ain't your mother.
10:03	Mats_cd03	but, ma...!
10:03	*	fluffypony takes out his list and crosses mircea_popescu off as potential mother figures
10:03	fluffypony	oh well
10:03	mircea_popescu	lol
10:04	mircea_popescu	but srsly, the bet is not up for resolution. there's no effort to be put in.
10:04	davout	mircea_popescu: i'm not asking anyone to make me something, i'm asking how the bet resolves, clear resolvability is a desired property is it not?
10:04	mircea_popescu	desired it may be. it being desired does not by itself make it possible.
10:05	pankkake	but bitbet mods clarified bets in the past
10:05	mircea_popescu	yes.
10:05	davout	is it impossible today to decide whether the volume source will by X, Y, or Z ?
10:05	davout	"First and foremost, statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet."
10:06	mircea_popescu	davout well if you were to propose that bet now it'd get rejected im pretty sure.
10:06	davout	without a source for the "volume" information, it is not possible to univocally establish (vol > 100)
10:06	davout	i wouldn't really propose such a bet
10:06	mircea_popescu	well so then there we go.
10:07	pankkake	I can create a source for volume info, from the raw trade data
10:08	davout	mircea_popescu: so if it'd get rejected now, why do you insist it is not clarifiable?
10:08	mircea_popescu	that awkward moment when you write to a estudio de abogados named X, Y, Z and K and the next morning a reply awaits from Gonzalez X.
10:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00082079 = 32.0518 BTC [+] {2}
10:09	mircea_popescu	davout because it's not dude. what the fuck do i know what you'll be doing next. if you were going to change the thing';s name why da fuck did you bet on it as it is etc.
10:09	mircea_popescu	in any event, bitbet comes last in the sort. you don't change your actions by what bitbet says it's gonna do. you do what you do, then when the time comes bitbet looks at it and calls it something.
10:10	mircea_popescu	and whatever it calls it, that's what it is.
10:10	davout	well, because i'm like the bitbet mod, i didn't really realize it wasn't clear enough
10:10	mircea_popescu	that's unfortunate. but you're not like the bitbet mod, in that... well, in that you aren't.
10:10	punkman	davout, you could just keep bitcoin-central.net running until 2015 :P
10:11	davout	i'm just curious about the point behind not clarifying bets when their wording leave some space to ambiguity
10:12	davout	especially when it's brought up long in advance
10:12	mircea_popescu	because you gotta limit your touching the things. all business runs on the principle of limiting responsibility.
10:12	davout	what do you mean by "your touching the things" ?
10:12	mircea_popescu	bitbet reviews bets exactly twice : when they're entered, and when they're resolved.
10:13	mircea_popescu	can't follow around constantly reviewing and clarifying the wording every time reality twists some way or the other.
10:13	los_pantalones	and you really shouldn't change a bet after it's open
10:13	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones hasn't really happened to date.
10:13	mircea_popescu	(pls don't look in the logs)
10:13	los_pantalones	i'm agreeing w/ you
10:13	los_pantalones	to touch as little as possible
10:13	mircea_popescu	davout anyway, this is a solidly established principle of law, that a court won't review possibilities and implications,
10:14	mircea_popescu	or generally the future. courts review the past.
10:15	davout	i don't know about other countries, but the law in france has this mechanism where whenever you need clarification on the law from the taxes administration, you can ask them to make a binding answer
10:15	mircea_popescu	but that's administrative.
10:15	davout	it's economics
10:15	davout	can cost you money
10:15	mircea_popescu	you can definitely ask the king to tell you wtf it intends to do. because the king is a sovereign, and thus an agent, and thus can have intent.
10:16	mircea_popescu	courts aren't either agents nor capable of intent.
10:18	pankkake	so the king is the bet author?
10:19	davout	apparently there's no king, bitbet is a court, in some sort of quantic superposition state
10:20	fluffypony	Schrodinger's Bitbet
10:20	mircea_popescu	pankkake well strictly speaking davout's the king here lol.
10:20	davout	i'm simply asking whether there's milk or poison in the vial
10:20	mircea_popescu	you made the vial dood, what do you want from me. when the time to open it comes i'll feed it to a cat and let you know.
10:21	mircea_popescu	fluffypony hey, when were you talking about the summarizing thing ? was it the 12th ?
10:21	fluffypony	oof
10:21	fluffypony	let me grep quickly
10:22	mircea_popescu	or what was the guy's name ?
10:22	davout	the more i think about it, the more similarities i see between bitbet and the rota
10:22	fluffypony	7th
10:22	fluffypony	darlidada
10:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27273 @ 0.00081905 = 22.338 BTC [-]
10:23	fluffypony	he hasn't started on it yet - he's busy till the end of the month, so we're still fleshing everything out
10:24	mircea_popescu	ty
10:24	mircea_popescu	i just used it inter alia to get out of investor's questioning. http://trilema.com/2014/smg-may-2014-statement/#comment-101275
10:24	assbot	S.MG, May 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:25	fluffypony	lol
10:25	mircea_popescu	also, i am shocked, shocked and appalled i say, that nobody;s said a word of la gayola
10:25	mircea_popescu	it's almost like i'm the only one that finds it hysterically funny or something
10:26	davout	i wanted to make fun of you about your camembert, but i figured you were already punished enough
10:27	mircea_popescu	lol
10:27	mircea_popescu	that thing...
10:27	davout	what the fuck were you thinking
10:27	mircea_popescu	i'm stupid like this ;/
10:27	mircea_popescu	constantly trying out new things and getting curious and whatnot
10:27	davout	lol
10:28	mircea_popescu	you tell me that you were here, and saw a local knockoff of a tin of camembert and you wouldn't have paid the $2.80 to see wtf is in there.
10:28	mircea_popescu	the wood box they fucking made. the camembert inside... who the fuck needs it.
10:29	davout	i guess not doubting anymore is well worth $3
10:29	mircea_popescu	besides, what if it were really good
10:29	mircea_popescu	you'd never have heard the end of it
10:30	davout	i'd have argued the argentinian version doesn't have a soul
10:30	mircea_popescu	i'd have killed young argentinian girls and sprayed their virginal blood all over it to win the argument
10:31	davout	a nice instagram filter would have been largely sufficient
10:31	mircea_popescu	kinda what i was thinking.
10:31	mircea_popescu	anyway, it's weird how this works. i'm from transylvania, where cattle is queen. dairy cattle.
10:31	mircea_popescu	in argentina, cattle is king. meat cattle.
10:32	mircea_popescu	never the twain should fucking meet, these people haveno idea of dairy at all
10:32	mircea_popescu	much like i pity the fool trying to eat romanian beef.
10:32	davout	i'm extremely curious about ar steak
10:32	mircea_popescu	you can't imagine it.
10:32	davout	my curiosity is extreme
10:32	mircea_popescu	much like you know, you think you know what a banana tastes like, but you're WRONG. you'll discover the full body of flavour of that fruit once you live in the tropics
10:33	mircea_popescu	it literally is like europeans only eat 7yos, and there's a world of 23 yo bananas out there unbeknownst to them
10:33	mircea_popescu	with like banana tits and all.
10:33	mircea_popescu	the beef steak here is so tender chicken seems game by comparison.
10:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.02081658 = 0.7494 BTC [+] {3}
10:34	davout	i can get really really tender beef here, i wonder how it compares
10:34	davout	i also wonder how it compares to aged beef
10:35	mircea_popescu	well it's possible you had it imported, in which case the shock won't quite rise to the level of epiphany
10:35	mircea_popescu	but they also cook it quite well.
10:35	davout	(and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it)
10:35	mircea_popescu	anyway, argentina is meat eater's paradise, that's for sure.
10:35	davout	also they seem smart enough to serve a bowl of salad as a side
10:36	mircea_popescu	only if you order it.
10:36	davout	ah
10:37	davout	when i saw it on your picture i was all like "such meat art de vivre"
10:37	mircea_popescu	in general you have to do a lot of customisation to make restaurant food fit for human consumption. in their view, serving a two pound steak with three ounces of sweet potato fried in oil, and then a pound of chocolate with dulce de leche mixed in is perfectly adequate asd a meal
10:38	mircea_popescu	if you have problems swallowing it all they'll more than happily get you some (excellent btw) malbec
10:38	mircea_popescu	and yet, which is the mystery, they're not overweight these people.
10:38	mircea_popescu	they must not eat at home like in the restaurant or something.
10:39	davout	that's not very surprising, is it?
10:39	mircea_popescu	to me it is, yes
10:40	davout	that they don't eat at home the same way as in restaurants?
10:40	mircea_popescu	romanian restaurant dishes consist basically of what women make at home. much like in say normandy
10:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5779 @ 0.00082144 = 4.7471 BTC [+]
10:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 68 @ 0.02060008 = 1.4008 BTC [-] {2}
10:42	davout	in normandy?
10:43	mircea_popescu	iiiiiiin normandee!
10:44	davout	that got lost on me
10:45	davout	i have this sadistic little satisfaction, knowing that log readers will have to endure this discussion about cheese and steak to be able to cross the log-reading from their todo
10:45	mircea_popescu	what, this is sadism ? my dear boy! you ain't seen nothing yet
10:46	davout	i don't think i have :-)
10:46	pankkake	the bitbet discussion was more painful
10:46	punkman	davout: (and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it) <- you can let a steak sit in your fridge a few days (or more if you are careful), it's usually an improvement
10:47	mircea_popescu	http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Auteur:Colette << fucking pointless wikipedia
10:47	assbot	Colette - Wikisource
10:48	mircea_popescu	so i was going to make a girl read claudine a l'ecole
10:48	mircea_popescu	da fuck do i do now
10:48	mircea_popescu	punkman actually, i like to age it in dough.
10:48	punkman	haven't tried that, sounds good
10:49	mircea_popescu	you know how to make beef wellington ?
10:50	punkman	nope
10:50	davout	pankkake: if it isn't painful it means it's probably not very useful either
10:50	davout	punkman: no, by aged, i mean really aged, like you have to cut the green parts off
10:50	mircea_popescu	it's not too hard : boil liver, grind it into a paste with butter and spices ; sear a steak, cover it in sauteed mushrooms and the liver paste ; make a dough, put the whole thing in it, seal and oven.
10:51	mircea_popescu	aging beef in dough is exactly thesame, sans liver (and mushrooms) and with much thicker dough : sear the steak, put it in a dough envelope, cook this and let it sit.
10:51	mircea_popescu	it will never go bad, if you sear it correctly.
10:51	davout	it'll turn to ham right?
10:51	mircea_popescu	not until your dough pierces through anyway
10:52	davout	punkman: http://media.abccom.cyberscope.fr/cache/6/500_500/lmh201_page22_image5.jpg
10:52	mircea_popescu	davout you can make a ham-y thing this way, if you add curing stuff inside, but just by itself it turns to...
10:52	mircea_popescu	well i dunno, beef aged in dough
10:52	davout	lol
10:52	mircea_popescu	and here we are exchanging recipes
10:53	mircea_popescu	i suppose next topic is whether our husbands beat us recently, and how hard was it.
10:53	davout	let's light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings
10:53	mircea_popescu	no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives.
10:54	davout	you mean we can use plain candles instead?
10:54	mircea_popescu	we could be naked and summon satan ?
10:55	davout	if that's the romanian version of a tupperware meeting, sure
10:55	mircea_popescu	lol
10:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00081905 = 9.0915 BTC [-]
10:57	pankkake	still better than the discussions I hear behind me
10:57	pankkake	unless you care about makeup and stuff
10:58	davout	we were just getting started
10:58	mircea_popescu	yeah i like to add a little blush to my ballsack
10:58	mircea_popescu	makes the hairs stand out more
10:58	los_pantalones	http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/03/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-dry-aging-beef-at-home.html
10:58	assbot	The Food Lab's Complete Guide to Dry-Aging Beef at Home | Serious Eats
10:59	mircea_popescu	i read that as "serious teats"
10:59	mircea_popescu	notmyfault.
11:00	los_pantalones	makes sense given the context
11:02	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones a yes, the guy has a point as to "proper" aging. you can't do sngle steaks
11:02	mircea_popescu	which is what makes my dough protector required.
11:02	mircea_popescu	tho i never went to 60 days o.O
11:03	los_pantalones	there was cooking show "2 Fat Ladies" back in the day
11:03	los_pantalones	they used to do your dough technique
11:03	los_pantalones	but they would bury the steak too
11:03	mircea_popescu	orly ?
11:03	*	mircea_popescu honestly thought he had invented it ;/
11:04	los_pantalones	well, before you go on thinking you didn't
11:04	los_pantalones	let me see if i can find
11:05	los_pantalones	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84bCD1fd4ew
11:05	assbot	Two Fat Ladies talk about Vegetarians - YouTube
11:05	los_pantalones	not the episode
11:05	los_pantalones	but for your entertainment
11:09	mircea_popescu	lol
11:09	los_pantalones	keep your dough age crown, i can't find
11:09	los_pantalones	MY BAD
11:09	mircea_popescu	davout btw, los_pantalones actually had a decent local steak here
11:10	los_pantalones	quite decent
11:10	mircea_popescu	i wouldn't say it's the best i had, but certainly not ashamed of sharing it
11:10	mircea_popescu	like, A grade.
11:10	los_pantalones	agreed
11:11	davout	lol
11:13	punkman	mircea_popescu: what's the best steak you've had?
11:13	mircea_popescu	also here, but after that.
11:13	mircea_popescu	i'm getting better at finding places :D
11:13	mircea_popescu	come to think of it, this is a passible definition of happiness : the best steak i've had was this year.
11:14	punkman	I think best I've had was in an argentinian restaurant (imported)
11:14	punkman	but I gotta try the real thing
11:14	mircea_popescu	$conference
11:14	empyex	mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 10 months and 1 days. Estimated cost today: 2.23945167 BTC
11:14	mircea_popescu	you showin' up ?
11:15	punkman	probably gonna have to wait for the next one, but I might make it happen
11:15	mircea_popescu	"I aged a 107, a 109A, and a 109 Export in a mini-fridge (this one from Avanti) set at 40°F in which I placed a small desk fan in order to allow air to circulate (I had to cut a small notch in the sealing strip around the door to allow the fan's cord to pass through), simulating a dry-aging room on a small scale. "
11:15	mircea_popescu	ahahaha WHAT
11:15	los_pantalones	this guy kenji is the best
11:16	los_pantalones	MIT grad, quit his maths to cook
11:16	los_pantalones	debunks a lot of bad science about food
11:16	punkman	I wonder if jap beef is worthy of the hype
11:17	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones interesting. punkman notrly. what japaneseis worthy of the hype ?
11:17	los_pantalones	think he's askin about kobe
11:17	mircea_popescu	anyway, ima go meet my lawyers nao. later girlfriends! we can do our toenails when i return!
11:21	Mats_cd03	http://i.imgur.com/4nhUs.png
11:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5821 @ 0.00082144 = 4.7816 BTC [+]
11:28	asciilifeform	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/13/cia_rendition_jet_was_waiting_in_europe_to_snatch_snowden
11:28	assbot	CIA rendition jet was waiting in Europe to SNATCH SNOWDEN The Register
11:28	asciilifeform	^ tabloid piece on flying gasenwagen
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0710001 = 0.568 BTC [-]
11:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00082367 = 19.068 BTC [+]
11:35	asciilifeform	in other (not quite) news,
11:35	asciilifeform	http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904
11:35	assbot	Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
11:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.071548 = 1.1448 BTC [+] {3}
11:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00082407 = 22.0027 BTC [+]
11:56	mike_c	JD invested bankroll biggest since 6 months ago..
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.94502472 BTC to 9`094 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.35013287 BTC to 152`507 shares, 1541 satoshi per share
12:03	mike_c	!t h rent
12:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00409990 / 0.00416468 / 0.00429300 (101 shares, 0.42063260 BTC), 7D: 0.00370000 / 0.00404595 / 0.00449890 (426 shares, 1.72357521 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00459634 / 0.00648989 (4787 shares, 22.00269540 BTC)
12:07	bitcoinpete	;;later tell mircea_popescu d series starts nao http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/2014/06/16/bitgo-raises-12mil-draws-attention-of-institutional-investors/
12:07	assbot	BitGo Raises $12Mil, Draws Attention of Institutional Investors - Forbes
12:07	gribble	The operation succeeded.
12:07	bitcoinpete	dat multisig
12:13	fluffypony	dem institutionals
12:13	bitcoinpete	;;bc,stats
12:13	gribble	Current Blocks: 306160 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 271 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 50 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13236343139.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.58695
12:13	bitcoinpete	fluffypony: playaz, all a dem
12:13	fluffypony	yeah
12:14	fluffypony	so institutional they need to be IN an institution
12:14	bitcoinpete	bitcoin might even hit 14b this next adjustment
12:14	bitcoinpete	https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
12:14	assbot	Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
12:14	bitcoinpete	108ph/s and climbing like nuts
12:14	mike_c	wanna bet? :)
12:15	mike_c	14b can't happen that fast
12:15	bitcoinpete	mike_c: lol not quite
12:15	bitcoinpete	but not far off either
12:15	benkay	https://eris.projectdouglas.org/
12:15	assbot	Eris, by Project ouglas
12:16	bitcoinpete	the bet won't need a 3rd adjustment before bastille day
12:16	bitcoinpete	that much looks bankable
12:17	fluffypony	!up darlidada
12:18	fluffypony	darlidada: plz repeat story here
12:18	fluffypony	bitcoinpete will love it
12:19	benkay	"The hard deadline of 17 June 2014 means the Project Ðouglas Dev Team has not had time to test all of the functions we would like for Eris v 0.1. " << still not seeing code
12:19	benkay	wow it has a built in bureacracy
12:21	benkay	okay now i see something resembling 'code'
12:22	darlidada	have you guys read about the latest crazy stupid story on bitcointalk ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.0
12:22	assbot	Big scam in NXT hundreds of BTC stolen with a one post
12:22	darlidada	to be fair it doesnt come frome bitcointalk this time, but from the nxt community
12:22	darlidada	some guy from nxtforum makes a post without a gpg signature
12:23	darlidada	ask 400 btcs for some business he cant talk about because nda and stuff
12:23	darlidada	90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked
12:23	kakobrekla	the more shady the faster the money flows
12:23	benkay	huh look ethereum has code in the wild
12:23	benkay	https://github.com/project-douglas/epm
12:23	assbot	project-douglas/epm GitHub
12:23	darlidada	THEN people start to send him pm regarding the deal and when no one answear they freak out
12:23	darlidada	surprisingly it was a scam
12:25	bitcoinpete	darlidada: absolutely priceless
12:25	bitcoinpete	best roi for a forum post… evar
12:26	pankkake	while you should assume anyone on bitcointalk is a scammer, you should assume anything altcoin is a scam - after all, it would only be a scam in a scam
12:26	benkay	I feel I can do this deal because I know this is going to boost the value of NXT exponentially.
12:26	pankkake	"Scammers don't bother sending me a PM trying to get me to send NXT first, with my reputation this deal is BTC first."
12:26	pankkake	feels like I'm reading Goat
12:27	fluffypony	bitcoinpete: I wish we'd come up with this idea, we could've IPO'd the idea
12:27	bitcoinpete	i don't think it's too late
12:28	bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/478569949347069953
12:28	assbot	BitGo Raises $12 million Series A http://t.co/7aTKHPZ29r by /PerianneDC via /Forbes Congrats /willobrien /mikebelshe /bendavenport /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
12:28	bitcoinpete	let's see if the bitgo kids respond
12:28	bitcoinpete	unlike the bitangels… and coindeskers
12:28	bitcoinpete	etc
12:28	pankkake	IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams
12:29	bitcoinpete	but i gotta jet for a bit. bbl today
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.0680092 = 2.9924 BTC [-] {5}
12:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10272 @ 0.00082367 = 8.4607 BTC [-]
12:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19278 @ 0.00082129 = 15.8328 BTC [-] {2}
12:33	pankkake	http://blog.flattr.net/2014/05/time-to-update-your-account/ <= flattr was one of the last easy ways to fund things semi anonymously (many grey area websites use it)
12:33	assbot	Time to update your account
12:33	pankkake	This Is Good for Bitcoin™
12:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00081902 = 31.0409 BTC [-] {2}
12:39	davout	haha, stupid protuguese
12:39	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1072Y0K.txt )
12:39	benkay	!b 1
12:40	benkay	keep calm and prepare for rectothermal analysis
12:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.06740489 = 3.6399 BTC [-] {7}
12:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.06689013 = 4.7492 BTC [-] {4}
12:49	kakobrekla	!up darlidada
12:49	kakobrekla	get in the wot and all that jazz ?
12:49	penguirker	New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/
12:49	fluffypony	;;gettrust darlidada
12:49	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user darlidada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=darlidada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=darlidada | Rated since: never
12:53	kakobrekla	;;rate darlidada 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice
12:53	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user darlidada has been recorded.
12:53	kakobrekla	thar, easy come easy go.
13:03	darlidada	ty:)
13:04	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 << kinda why everyone sane is using homebrew crypto stack.
13:04	assbot	Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
13:05	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete fluffypony insitutiolol
13:05	asciilifeform	'358375th cockroach found in brooklyn motel. news at 11'
13:05	fluffypony	lol
13:06	mircea_popescu	"Eris -- A ÐAO Framework by Project Ðouglas" ; "This proposal is made in response to a post on Reddit.com by Olivier Janssens announcing a bounty of an amount of bitcoin equivalent to USD$100,000"
13:06	mircea_popescu	this can only end in tears.
13:07	mircea_popescu	<benkay> "blabla" << still not seeing code << they have a NAME right ? and it has like inclusive specxial characters in it and everything, right ? THEY HAVE TRIED AND NOBODY SHOULD CRITICISE THEM!!!!
13:08	mircea_popescu	let alone that the platform doing what the bitcoin foundation aspired to and never actually did is right here, and has been in business for years
13:08	mircea_popescu	but why should any retarded kid have to do his homework or anything
13:09	mircea_popescu	<darlidada> 90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked << the theory that any qty of nxt is worth any qty of btc has serious flaws.
13:09	mircea_popescu	some derps thought whatever pile of mastercoin is worth btc, discovered that no, it's not quite recently.
13:10	asciilifeform	ask the chinese, maybe it helps them get it up, like tiger horns.
13:10	mircea_popescu	<pankkake> feels like I'm reading Goat << quite.
13:11	mircea_popescu	<pankkake> IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams << the warrior forum in action lol.
13:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.0667105 = 3.2021 BTC [-] {7}
13:12	mircea_popescu	!up alex_c
13:13	mircea_popescu	"John (Peter Manglaviti) was essentially the public leader of NxT, he was the one who represented NxT's booth at several public conferences / expos and seminars and he was the man the public dealt with. " << bwahaha. HE WAS IN A BOOTH!!1
13:14	mircea_popescu	i wonder if ticket sellers at cinemas have an easy moneymaker now : sell the building to forum investors.
13:14	mircea_popescu	"of course i own the whole block. i'm in a booth here aren't i ?!
13:14	davout	sounds legit
		~ 15 minutes ~
13:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07136995 = 0.9278 BTC [+] {2}
13:32	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
13:32	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 593.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 593.34, 24 hour volume: 14577.00883217, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 591.21044887
13:37	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/
13:37	assbot	The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:37	mircea_popescu	suffer, biotch :D
13:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 21 @ 0.08 = 1.68 BTC [-]
13:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0714 = 0.5712 BTC [+]
13:42	mircea_popescu	"We (Dennis McKinnon, Casey Kuhlman, and Preston Byrne (the Project Ðouglas Dev Team)) do not intend, nor is our proposal designed, to replace or compete with the Bitcoin Foundation. Using traditional forms of organisational governance, the Bitcoin Foundation has played a critical role in standardising the Bitcoin protocol and encouraging adoption of cryptoprotocols’ use worldwide. We are grateful for its efforts an
13:42	mircea_popescu	d look forward to learning how we can work together."
13:42	mircea_popescu	ajhahaha o get fucked.
13:42	BingoBoingo	punkman: That is an interesting link.
13:42	mircea_popescu	"We have not slept for three weeks."
13:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06670011 = 0.5336 BTC [-]
13:45	fluffypony	Preston Byrne
13:45	fluffypony	wasn't he that blogger that had a tiff with you?
13:45	mircea_popescu	no, it was some derp that purported he's commenting on what i did and said and i pointed out to him that before attempting that he needs to pass a ged.
13:46	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives. << I had a disappointing lapse into Americanisms today. I timed my return drive poorly and passed the restaurants before they opened. Ended up getting fried chicken livers at the supermarket and eating them as I drove the rest of the way back.
13:46	mircea_popescu	but basically yeah, there's names which serve as marks of failure. something with goat involved, or nefario, or preston byrne or taaki etc can only fail
13:46	mircea_popescu	just how amusing it'll fail is up to circumstance, but yeah.
13:46	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i love chicken liver.
13:47	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Got two one pound packages still hot for $3.50, I love passing through the middle of nowhere.
13:56	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/
14:00	punkman	BingoBoingo: will publish source soon, any ideas for extended bet analysis or other tools?
14:00	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/microsoft_catapult_fpgas/ << More reason to suspect HFT types have been on this train for a while.
14:00	assbot	Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register
14:01	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: the same thought occurred to me
14:02	BingoBoingo	punkman: Not that I can think of atm. Numbers tend to influence how much I bet rather than whether I bet in the first place.
14:02	BingoBoingo	punkman: As I play with it I'll prolly think of things
14:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00081914 = 14.9903 BTC [+] {2}
14:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.21023485 = 2.7331 BTC [-] {5}
14:04	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: see this ancient thread - http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/#comment-3756
14:04	assbot	Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science
14:05	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I remember that last time you dropped that link and the doubters in the thread, but now... If even Microsoft can pull off FPGA acceleration...
14:05	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: don't make the classic mistake of reading this as microshit product r&d
14:06	asciilifeform	'microsoft research' has nothing to do with the company's product pipeline
14:06	asciilifeform	it's a 'corral' for elderly phds. a kind of 'respectability farm' that many u.s. zaibatsus operate
14:06	asciilifeform	gets them free press, and keeps the inmates out of trouble
14:07	mircea_popescu	"Go with a straight-dataflow paradigm, where all operations are part of a dependency graph (and if your chip is large enough, exist at all times as physical objects which wait for their inputs to become available, and signal their successors within picoseconds of their output becoming ready.)" << tbh, this is not only grand in theory
14:07	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I played with Singularity a bit when it was fresh. The "respectability farm" is the impression I got.
14:07	mircea_popescu	but afaik no "asic miner" actually does it
14:07	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is known as asynchronous logic. see 'muller's gate.' i vaguely recall that we spoke of it on at least one occasion.
14:08	asciilifeform	i cannot claim to have invented it (herr muller, 1956?) but might be the only one left taking it seriously.
14:08	mircea_popescu	yes, at which point i prolly observed that it's a technologee current bitcoin miners don't got.
14:08	BingoBoingo	;;google Loper no formats no format wars
14:08	gribble	Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309>; Loper OS » Idea: <http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=9>; No Formats, no Format Wars. - Loper OS: <http://www.loper-os.org/?paged=6>
14:08	asciilifeform	an asynch. circuit has interesting properties. for instance, it clocks itself up when you cool it.
14:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00081869 = 22.3502 BTC [-] {2}
14:08	asciilifeform	(always speed-capped by slowest gate, and never arbitrarily)
14:08	mircea_popescu	"Speaking as an insider, I can tell you that most HFT firms playing around with FPGAs are doing so because of slick-talking FPGA marketing hucksters. The more that perverse incentives change, the more they stay the same" << flanagan has a point.
14:09	mircea_popescu	finance types are possibly the most tech-clueless people you'll ever meet.
14:09	mircea_popescu	if you run into a wall street dude hitting on a cocktail waitress, it's probable she groks more of grep than him.
14:10	asciilifeform	now, if these folks actually risked their arse if the machine fails to perform...
14:10	punkman	asciilifeform: could you recommend a lisp for this lisp-deficient noob? (and maybe an IDE that's not emacs)
14:10	asciilifeform	punkman: what machine do you have ?
14:11	asciilifeform	punkman: and i'm afraid that i cannot in good conscience recommend ide that isn't emacs. because only emacs runs 'SLIME.'
14:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform recall the one time their excel copula calculation failed spectacularly and the whole firm went under because of it ? no arse was harmed.
14:11	asciilifeform	lol yeah
14:11	mircea_popescu	"tech failure" is accepted like "will of god" was 500 years ago. free of any contract.
14:11	asciilifeform	the only prescription is: barbarians.
14:12	mircea_popescu	punkman why do you hate emacs ?
14:12	punkman	asciilifeform: just a regular machine, what kind of machine should I have?
14:12	asciilifeform	punkman: if x86 or x86-64 - sbcl.
14:13	mircea_popescu	"You will probably find that approach unworkable in a Disruptor style queue for market data because:
14:13	mircea_popescu	1) You can’t tell when a reader has already progressed past that tick, and would thus miss your update (which is bad)
14:13	mircea_popescu	2) You can’t tell when a reader is currently processing that tick, which means you could potentially write over the prior record when he has only read part of it, making the tick inconsistent (which is also bad).
14:13	mircea_popescu	Those issues may be avoidable, but only at the cost of additional atomic instructions on both the read and write ends, which would significantly impair the performance." << this guy is a prime example of what i said of finance types being tech clueless.
14:13	punkman	mircea_popescu: I don't hate it per se, but I'd rather avoid that learning curve for now
14:13	mircea_popescu	jesus god he actually just said that ?!
14:13	asciilifeform	punkman: if you study, e.g. common lisp, without SLIME, you're inoculating yourself against ever enjoying the language.
14:14	asciilifeform	this is generally how 'enthusiastic' lisp-haters are born - they get to study it at uni, and match parens / indent / etc. by hand.
14:15	punkman	but I like clicking!
14:15	BingoBoingo	There's more painful exercises in attempting to learn a programming language. In 6th grade I tried to learn Perl with pencils and paper...
14:15	asciilifeform	punkman: i like clicking << http://www.letsgolearn.com/bubble.html
14:15	assbot	Let's Go Learn Mouse practice game
14:15	mircea_popescu	i can't see a reference to lockin's stuff without thinking of http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/ anyway
14:15	assbot	How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
14:15	asciilifeform	punkman: or, if you can dig up an ancient mac, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_Practice
14:15	assbot	Mouse Practice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14:16	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: locklin is one of those folks who never penetrated the btc bozo field
14:16	asciilifeform	(e.g. taleb)
14:16	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Hypercard is great Mouse Practice as well...
14:16	mircea_popescu	that's not even the objection. if you read his contributions in his own comment thread above,
14:16	mircea_popescu	the same arrogant if clueless sufficiency permeates.
14:17	mircea_popescu	this is how people like me end up when they're 50, if they don't have the sense to bdsm etc
14:18	asciilifeform	folks who succeed in an intellectually-demanding field - whatever field - besieged by sham artists - tend to develop this condition. or at least, it is certainly a 'professional hazard.'
14:19	mircea_popescu	it is, but only because of the poisonous enviroment in which their socialist conationals soak them.
14:19	mircea_popescu	these are the hidden costs of " welfarism" : that in order for its pretense to be maintained, the actuality of a caustic environment for the natural needs of the superior has to be enacted.
14:20	asciilifeform	not so hidden.
14:20	mircea_popescu	if he had a few slaves around the house whose lives and physical integrity depended on his good humour, he wouldn't find himself ossified in this form of compensatory idiocy.
14:21	BingoBoingo	http://www.gizmag.com/listeria-bacteria-sensor-food-borne-illness/32536/ << No one develops the Campylobacter version because chicken would never look the same again...
14:21	assbot	New sensor to detect food-borne bacteria on site
14:21	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i wonder what the ecological impact of listeria's disappearance would be like.
14:23	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Pretty horrible I imagine, but probably even less possible than than impassible task of eradicating Herpes.
14:23	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo for all you know, a world without listeria is the prerequisite for a better strain of herpes
14:23	mircea_popescu	or maybe for contagious, accelerated leprosy
14:24	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Or for Candida to accelerate the way Y. Pestis did...
14:24	mircea_popescu	still an open question as to how much iathrogenic pathogen virulence is due to you know... better hospital techniques.
14:25	asciilifeform	naturam expellas furca...
14:26	mircea_popescu	myeah
14:26	BingoBoingo	Well, the plasmids necessary for S. Aureus to become Beta Lactam resistant and Enterococcus to become Vancomycin resistant predate our harnessing either therapeutically...
14:27	asciilifeform	see also: 'the answer lies in the sewers.'
14:28	BingoBoingo	Note that broad spectrum antimicrobials that maintain effectiveness over time tend to be merely bacteriostatic and not actively bacteriocidal...
14:29	BingoBoingo	Aspergillius is probably my favorite pathogen because it is a huge fuck you to stoners thinking they are all high and mighty because their weed is "safer" than my booze.
14:31	mircea_popescu	lol
14:31	BingoBoingo	I'm trying to think what would even be a close second...
14:31	mircea_popescu	while the plasmids may actually predate it, their use likely does not.
14:32	mircea_popescu	think in the following terms : the tools mpex will use any to defeat any attempt at enacting a sovereignity claim superior to its own certainly predate any such claims
14:32	mircea_popescu	nevertheless, their deployment in practice does not (a state of affairs asciilifeform periodically protests with a parachute example)
14:32	asciilifeform	http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers%28lsero%29.pdf
14:33	asciilifeform	for pdf haters:
14:33	asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/Ni7t20wY
14:33	assbot	The answer lies in the sewers - Pastebin.com
14:33	ThickAsThieves	"HSBC is one of the leading international banks. Technology plays a big part of the banking world nowadays. The advent of mobile devices, bitcoin, crypto currency, access to internet, are change everyday banking. Create a position paper on the benefits of Bitcoin being adopted and being a part of HSBC consumer products. Pick a position in favour or against and please add your sources."
14:33	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, the reason we've found any substanital antibiotic this far is because some other microbe produced it as a defense and before we produce the chemical on an industrial scale, there are minority bacterial populations carrying genes for resistance.
14:33	ThickAsThieves	HSBC outsources bitcoin research to job applicants
14:33	ThickAsThieves	should be illegal
14:33	mircea_popescu	nice link
14:34	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves aahhahahaah
14:34	mircea_popescu	i recall a few years ago designers getting all butthurt against design contests
14:34	ThickAsThieves	yeah, NO-SPEC
14:34	mircea_popescu	i guess their victory was of such resounding nature in that battle that now hsbc is doing it
14:35	*	asciilifeform sees a future for phages, for small-molecule antibio - not so much
14:35	mircea_popescu	bodes well for the future, this.
14:36	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo this is approximately correct, especially if you focus on things such as penycilin. not quite as true with substances such as say trimetoprim
14:36	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Phages are probably the only long term solution.
14:36	bitcoinpete	asciilifeform phages are why i did an undergrad in immunology and infection
14:36	bitcoinpete	i remember reading about russian/soviet research into them
14:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00081982 = 29.3905 BTC [+]
14:37	bitcoinpete	research that sorta didn't really make it to the west after the fall
14:37	asciilifeform	bitcoinpete: at my last work (us army) the management flew in one of the last remaining soviet phage experts
14:37	asciilifeform	he's extracting strange from sewage even now.
14:38	bitcoinpete	whoa neat
14:38	*	asciilifeform was not involved, just sat in a lecture
14:38	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Trimethoprim is great in the way Sulfa antibiotics and doxycycline are great. They are merely bateriostatic agents. Combine the right bacteriostatic agents and you might actually kill some bacteria. Mostly though bacteria aren't adapted to combinations of them and it might take centuries for Bactrims list of vulnerable organisms to thing appreciably.
14:39	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo perhaps on the grounds of my ignorance, i see little value in the bacteriostatic / bactericide distinction
14:40	ThickAsThieves	TSLA is on a tear
14:40	bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: holy ya
14:40	bitcoinpete	+7.29% today
14:40	asciilifeform	the notion that 'microbe will eventually adapt to anything' is a bit simplistic.
14:41	asciilifeform	go adapt to iodine.
14:41	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The distinction is -cidal actually kills the bacteria. -static keeps them from reproducing long enough to have enough die of old age or allow your immune system to catch up. When it comes to adpatation and resistance it matters quite a bit.
14:41	ThickAsThieves	http://www.smh.com.au/national/canberra-reaps-360m-from-inactive-bank-accounts-20140609-39t8p.html
14:41	assbot	Canberra reaps $360m from inactive bank accounts
14:41	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
14:41	mircea_popescu	i know that. how do you say it matters ?
14:41	gribble	Current Blocks: 306186 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 245 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13304966954.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.17066
14:41	ThickAsThieves	''I saved for 45 years … It was my carer's pension and his disability pension,'' said the Sydney retiree.
14:41	mircea_popescu	the only way bacteria meaningfully exists from an evolutionary standpoint is that it passes itself on
14:41	mircea_popescu	dead bacteria === spaded bacteria
14:42	ThickAsThieves	how does an organism exist non-meaningfully?
14:42	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, in a human body's environment a bacterium doesn't have long before it needs to fuck itself and reproduce or die.
14:42	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no but we were discussing adaptation
14:42	BingoBoingo	Other bacteria though tend not to have the luxury of waiting that long when they engage in chemical warfare.
14:43	BingoBoingo	Thus adapting to old age and celibacy is hard.
14:43	BingoBoingo	Especially at body temperature.
14:43	ThickAsThieves	i dont think there's a right or wrong, all the variation in question is needed
14:43	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yes, but when developing resistance is in question.
14:44	mircea_popescu	in principle bacteria would have as good a chance to develop immunity to tpi as it would to penicillin. they're both antibiotics (granted, one static, the other cidal, whatever)
14:44	mircea_popescu	so the pre-existing defense theory doesn't really hold as well as all that.
14:45	ThickAsThieves	yeesh nbc has a horrible web design http://www.nbcnews.com/ (bitcoin front and center)
14:45	assbot	NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News
14:45	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves assuming it loads. i'm two seconds in here.
14:46	BingoBoingo	Most routes to drug resistance encountered so far have been a round a long time, because some population of bacteria in a species need the genes to survive. Bacteria don't just spread genes through reproduction though... Microbiology is like Bioshock. Staph can pick up a plasid and get superpowers.
14:46	mircea_popescu	this is true
14:47	mircea_popescu	and yeah, some plasmids exist for circumventing some antibiotics, the sort that we've obtained "agriculturally" so to speak.
14:47	mircea_popescu	the sort that we've obtained synthetically, however, generally have no defense.
14:47	BingoBoingo	Right, for some reason farmers like giving shit beta lactams for no good reason.
14:47	mircea_popescu	(their only limiting factor is that human cells don't have a defense either, and rarely do you get a bonanza like tpi that's 5k as afine to bacteria folic process as to human for unknown reasons)
14:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06700008 = 1.675 BTC [-] {2}
14:48	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo meant the agricultural/synthetic thing a reference to an earlier discussion about how industry and agriculture compete for financing. you prolly recall it
14:48	BingoBoingo	That is true. Microbes generally don't try to kill other microbes through folate though.
14:49	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The corn matter.
14:49	mircea_popescu	right
14:49	BingoBoingo	And the American farm and Amrican locker room being bigger hotbeds for MRSA than American Hospitals.
14:49	mircea_popescu	hm.
14:49	BingoBoingo	Which follows from if you can you must.
14:50	BingoBoingo	Apparently sub meaningful doses of antibiotics promote mammal growth.
14:50	mircea_popescu	come to think of it, it should be interesting to see just what new plasmids become available for bacteria's game of bioshock now that there's all those genetically engineered crops around
14:50	mircea_popescu	and there, we've united all the topics
14:50	BingoBoingo	Indeed.
14:50	BingoBoingo	I'm probably roundup resistant by now...
14:52	mircea_popescu	it's always the unintended side consequences that are the more interesting.
14:52	BingoBoingo	The question of the next few decades is how many corn plasmids are small enough to find their way into bacterium...
14:52	mircea_popescu	which reminds me of the recent cheese wars lol. i dunno who missed the "oh yurp, you don't want our gmo crops ?! we won't want your messy cheeses then!!11"
14:52	mircea_popescu	quite clear message there
14:53	BingoBoingo	Yeah. Prolly best they don't mix.
14:53	mircea_popescu	exact fucking time to mess with this, when russia is pushing as hard as it can and iraq all but became an official al-quaeda state
14:53	mircea_popescu	fda thinks it's a good idea to annoy the european elite in the gullet, which is prolly the one thing they care about
14:54	mircea_popescu	i dunno who the fuck is in charge across the pond, but he couldn't be less able if he tried. a regular bismarck in reverse, that guy
14:55	BingoBoingo	I doubt all of Iraq is going Alqueda state. Seems like it will partion. Turks might even bless Kurdistan.
14:55	jborkl	http://www.bcoinnews.com/search/
14:55	mircea_popescu	if it's a square mile it's enough for utter defeat.
14:56	jborkl	I added a very simple block explorer, I will add more later
14:56	bitcoinpete	http://saweis.net/posts/nominations-for-crypto-projects-that-might-not-suck.html
14:56	assbot	Nominations for Crypto Projects that Might Not Suck
14:57	BingoBoingo	The Iraq situation would have been less of a mess if HW Bush and the Saudis would have been cool with Bin Laden's plan for liberating Kuwait.
14:57	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete maybe send him a "Nomination for posts that might not suck : shut up, read assets logs for the next year"
14:58	bitcoinpete	lol
14:58	bitcoinpete	"Personal income tax revenues in April were 15.8 percent, or $7.9 billion, below the same month in 2013"
14:59	bitcoinpete	http://www.vagazette.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-state-taxes-20140612,0,895673.story
14:59	assbot	Size of income tax drop surprises U.S. states: study - vagazette.com
14:59	mircea_popescu	heh.
14:59	mircea_popescu	argentina salutes you :D
14:59	bitcoinpete	most unintentionally lulzy url too: vag-azaette
15:01	mircea_popescu	"Purchased credits to read http://trilema.com Prompt delivery. Great writer, good use of footnotes. Not retarded. Privilege unchecked." << customer reviews.
15:01	assbot	Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:02	fluffypony	lol
15:05	BingoBoingo	%diff
15:05	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436012.92 in 815 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.05
15:05	fluffypony	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTcv5q4WfMM
15:05	assbot	Khali muscle protein advert - YouTube
15:05	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
15:05	gribble	Current Blocks: 306187 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13306514863.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.18382
15:05	BingoBoingo	I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening.
15:06	BingoBoingo	http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/deputies-450-pound-volusia-man-his-drugs-stomach-f/ngLkW/
15:07	kakobrekla	just wait that fury (un)plugs some hash.
15:09	BingoBoingo	I think in addition to miners housed in the desert southwest dying, we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence.
15:09	BingoBoingo	So many exciting externalities could happen.
15:10	jborkl	Tha is constantly ongoin, just block withholding attacks on each other
15:10	jborkl	is hurts more than DDOS
15:11	kakobrekla	i doubt heat will do much
15:11	kakobrekla	those who dont the the heat math dont have big farms in the first place
15:13	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: CoinTerra, the People Garr pinned his "totes legit" badge on have a datacenter in the middle of the utah desert.
15:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00081867 = 11.1339 BTC [-] {2}
15:13	jborkl	haha :(
15:13	kakobrekla	how much hash?
15:14	BingoBoingo	Not sure, but since they are way behind on refunds, probably all of theirs.
15:14	fluffypony	lol
15:15	kakobrekla	prolly even the bfl failwagon will offset that
15:15	thestringpuller	we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence. << cyberwarfare is an even for popcorn
15:15	kakobrekla	the subpar miners they have now , they gets to keeps and run themselfs.
15:16	BingoBoingo	It would kick ass if a tornado hit BFL's trailer.
15:16	kakobrekla	economically its better for them to simulate the subparness than to ship
15:20	bitcoinpete	heya bitstein
15:21	bitstein	hey, how goes it?
15:22	bitcoinpete	bitstein: pretty splendidly
15:22	bitcoinpete	sitting in a lovely old bank building at the bar
15:22	bitcoinpete	watching soccer and surfing logs
15:22	bitcoinpete	and you?
15:23	bitstein	ah that sounds nice. i'm working on schoolwork. and finding that making fun of bitangels is getting too easy: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/478608956026155009
15:23	assbot	An automated consultant for /BitAngelsdotco: http://t.co/HsxZCXSxvS We need an open source token-based distributed version, though.
15:24	bitcoinpete	always fun
15:25	asciilifeform	heat math << unterseeminer.
15:26	asciilifeform	the final solution (tm) to heat problem
15:26	asciilifeform	crypto projects that may not suck << where's the list?
15:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00081982 = 0.6968 BTC [+]
15:29	kakobrekla	its rounded to empty.
15:31	kakobrekla	!up trixisowned
15:31	kakobrekla	you are owned
15:31	kakobrekla	fyi.
15:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06700142 = 0.938 BTC [+] {4}
15:38	jurov	<asciilifeform> heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno
15:42	penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/simple-bitcoin-block-explorer-added/
15:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.06667206 = 5.0004 BTC [-] {7}
15:52	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
15:53	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.0, vol: 13878.55265075 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 594.2, vol: 9707.91734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 599.0, vol: 17280.37405547 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.85, vol: 51.13415512 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 603.96842, vol: 5008.65520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 597.23502, vol: 28.07766432 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 602.583228, vol: 133.01614452 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
15:53	BingoBoingo	;;more
15:53	gribble	598.243502558
15:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.066666 = 1.2667 BTC [-]
15:54	BingoBoingo	http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/06/16/1253209/super-bananas-may-save-millions-of-lives-in-africa << Product for Uganda Safety and efficacy trials carried out on 'Muricans
15:54	assbot	"Super Bananas" May Save Millions of Lives In Africa - Slashdot
16:03	BingoBoingo	%book
16:03	atcbot	35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
16:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00082106 = 24.0571 BTC [+]
16:12	BingoBoingo	http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2012/10/quake-and-zap.html
16:12	assbot	Crazy RxMan: Quake and Zap
16:12	BingoBoingo	"A special DOS program (we only utilize the latest in computer programming technology at our pharmacy) is executed which prints a listing of barcodes representing 10%, 20%, 30%, etc. all the way to 100%. Then the tech or pharmacist scans a bottle of inventory, THEN shakes, quakes, and does a little magic dance to estimate how much is left in the bottle, be it 10%, 20%, etc., and then scans that barcode, hence the QUAKE-n-ZAP! Th
16:12	BingoBoingo	is is done multiple times until the tech either dies of boredom or it gets busy again. Usually this means about 50 zaps. THEN the computer compares what was scanned to the inventory on hand, and if it is off by a certain percentage, it updates the inventory on hand..."
16:12	BingoBoingo	"But here's where it gets insane. No one can accurately "estimate" how much is left in the bottle to any degree of accuracy, so we end up mostly only zapping full bottles."
16:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00082106 = 2.4632 BTC [+]
16:20	BingoBoingo	http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2013/07/crazy-password-protection.html
16:20	assbot	Crazy RxMan: Crazy Password Protection
16:25	benkay	https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/478624448208441344 << retarded?
16:25	assbot	Those who don't ignore history are just as doomed to repeat it as those who ignore history. Because both will have the same history.
16:27	BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/03/kneecaps/
16:27	assbot	Mob Boss Agrees to Shoot Man in Kneecaps Before Weekend | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
16:29	ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/30-billion-processor-digital-river-bitcoin-payment-option/
16:29	assbot	$30 Billion Online Merchant Processor Digital River Adds Bitcoin Payments
16:29	ThickAsThieves	(via Coinbase)
16:40	FabianB	!mpif
16:40	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021667 BTC (Total: 433.36 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
16:41	FabianB	$depth f.mpif
16:41	empyex	FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021659 10000 @ 0.00021640 10000 @ 0.00021561
16:41	empyex	FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 500 @ 0.00021726 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 10000 @ 0.00040000
16:42	BingoBoingo	!jd mpif
16:42	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.09983010 BTC; +0.47628387 BTC (+0.2791%) since last check 6d 1h 53m 39s ago.
16:42	mike_c	benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :)
16:43	BingoBoingo	Klye needs another IPO...
16:43	Apocalyptic	heh
16:43	fluffypony	lol
16:49	kakobrekla	<mike_c> benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :) < those are way smarter than that
16:50	benkay	!derp
16:50	assbot	no u!
16:50	benkay	ha
16:50	benkay	okay i just bought a pile of insurance
16:51	benkay	now i need a pile of deals that this insurance will qualify me for to justify the expense
16:51	BingoBoingo	In a few centuries assbot error messages will be studied in the Classics department.
16:51	benkay	!up trinque
16:51	benkay	hey guys trinque is a friend of mine
16:51	benkay	be particularly nasty, eh?
16:52	BingoBoingo	fuck you benkay voice him yourself
16:52	trinque	I can take it
		↖
16:52	trinque	and I've already got a fancy plus sign
16:52	benkay	ya but you can't voice y'self yet
16:53	mike_c	!sorry assbot, you're very clever. and good looking.
16:53	assbot	ikr
16:53	mike_c	srsly
16:54	BingoBoingo	trinque: ASL?
16:55	trinque	I have transcended age, gender and location.
16:55	trinque	I am everywhere and all things.
16:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00081861 = 29.2653 BTC [-] {3}
16:55	mike_c	;;ident trinque
16:55	gribble	Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is not identified.
16:55	BingoBoingo	trinque: SO you're a 'Murican afraid of the gasenwagen as well
16:57	trinque	BingoBoingo: unfortunately so
16:58	BingoBoingo	trinque: Did you know that there is a device for accessing any secrets stored in a living human's memory.
16:59	trinque	BingoBoingo: alcohol?
16:59	asciilifeform	from the lolpharmz:
16:59	asciilifeform	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/frank-bruni-oversharing-in-admissions-essays.html
16:59	assbot	Log In - The New York Times
17:01	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: When I start a university the prospective students are going to have to interview under the influence.
17:02	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'i would like to attend your... hmrh, croak, zzz...'
17:03	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: By the time it happens I imagine I'll still be boozing, but the kids will be on their medical PCP or whatever.
17:05	BingoBoingo	!up princessnell
17:05	princessnell	hiya
17:05	BingoBoingo	Hello
17:07	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: At least the students will be comforted that the summer reading before freshman year will never deviate.
17:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44532 @ 0.00081837 = 36.4437 BTC [-]
17:14	BingoBoingo	The Pre-Freshman year reading will be Spinoza's ethics. There will be a matriculation exam.
17:15	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/478619903675883520
17:15	assbot	If US gets involved in /hashtag/Iraq?src=hash it would join a /hashtag/Shiite?src=hash alliance w/ Assad, /hashtag/Iran?src=hash & /hashtag/Maliki?src=hash against a /hashtag/Sunni?src=hash movement http://t.co/TQHSloTN8c
17:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00081837 = 8.3065 BTC [-]
17:27	assbot	trinque +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
17:27	kakobrekla	!up trinque
17:27	trinque	kakobrekla: thank you :)
17:28	BingoBoingo	Also at Bingo University, anyone who commits the crime of introducing a whiteboard to the campus will be caned in the Quad.
17:31	Mats_cd03	id let BingoBoingo cane me in public
17:31	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: I'd prefer you just have the good sense to realize the inherent superiority of Chalk on Slate.
17:32	Mats_cd03	chalk on slate isnt as kinky
17:34	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Well, Perhaps in the quad there will be a block of slate for the caned to bend over. Because slate is the correct writing surface in a classroom...
17:42	penguirker	New blog post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-06-16
17:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00082218 = 2.7954 BTC [+]
17:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1719 @ 0.0005 = 0.8595 BTC [+]
17:46	nubbins`	ho
17:48	thestringpuller	%diff
17:48	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434656.24 in 806 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24
17:49	BingoBoingo	%ticker
17:50	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 180 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
17:50	BingoBoingo	And the Altcoin Market remains a standoff
17:51	nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28aldt/ghashio_is_open_for_discussion/ci92qc0
17:51	assbot	luke-jr comments on GHASH.IO IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION
17:51	nubbins`	pretty rich
17:51	Mats_cd03	it needs an ATC Foundation
17:53	benkay	;;ident trinque
17:53	gribble	Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None
17:54	benkay	;;rate trinque 1 dat guy
17:54	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trinque has been recorded.
17:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0708987 = 0.9926 BTC [+]
17:54	benkay	!down trinque
17:54	benkay	now trinque /msg assbot !up to give yourself voice
17:54	trinque	fancy
17:54	trinque	benkay: thank you sir
17:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00082218 = 8.3451 BTC [+]
17:56	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Nah, ATC has better than a foundation, it has perfectly benevolent neglect.
17:59	BingoBoingo	Maybe we should start the rumor that Ghash.io is Government has, and refer to it as G-Hash and its operators as the G-men
17:59	benkay	yusss
17:59	benkay	it's the Government pool
17:59	nubbins`	it's known that ghash.io is USG
18:00	nubbins`	if you look up the docs for codename GIGA it's all spelled out
18:00	BingoBoingo	Let's get out the tinfoil bitches.
18:00	BingoBoingo	We're baking cake with this one.
18:00	nubbins`	i don't have any tinfoil bitches
18:01	nubbins`	wait
18:01	nubbins`	nevermind
18:01	BingoBoingo	Eh, there is another problem. All of other pools probably suck more.
18:01	BingoBoingo	http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/barrys-new-tell-enough-memoir-tries-to-recast-mayor-for-lifes-legacy-deny-troubles/2014/06/15/be15252c-f4a1-11e3-b22c-e48daaddce39_story.html
18:01	assbot	Barrys new tell-enough memoir tries to recast Mayor for Lifes legacy, deny troubles - The Washington Post
18:02	BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/texas-police-now-ticketing-kids-for-cool-moves-1591564248
18:02	assbot	Texas Police Now Ticketing Kids for "Cool Moves"
18:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00082218 = 3.1243 BTC [+]
18:04	nubbins`	ha ha ha
18:05	nubbins`	HEY KIDS
18:05	nubbins`	this is just a ploy to train kids not to run when a cop shouts HEY, YOU! STOP!
18:06	BingoBoingo	Exactly.
18:06	nubbins`	what's next, wolves giving sheep "get out of shearing free" coupons for grazing further from the shepherd?
18:13	assbot	SirDefaced +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
18:14	BingoBoingo	!up SirDefaced
18:14	BingoBoingo	Hello SirDefaced
18:14	SirDefaced	hello :)
18:14	SirDefaced	long time since ive used gribble haha
18:15	benkay	;;gettrust SirDefaced
18:15	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SirDefaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SirDefaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SirDefaced | Rated since: never
18:15	ThickAsThieves	http://seekingalpha.com/news/1803003-report-shipments-of-amd-nvidia-graphics-cards-hit-by-high-inventories?uprof=51
18:15	assbot	Report: Shipments of AMD/Nvidia graphics cards hit by high inventories - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (NYSE:AMD) | Seeking Alpha
18:15	ThickAsThieves	"Weak Bitcoin-related demand is said to be taking a toll, and AMD and Nvidia (NVDA) have reportedly been pressured to cut GPU prices to boost demand. But both firms are instead opting to focus on cutting GPU shipments."
18:16	SirDefaced	im authed under defaced and it seems someone jacked my sn
18:16	SirDefaced	so ill be making a new WOT
18:18	ThickAsThieves	I wonder when AMD will just start making best-in-class ASICs
18:19	pankkake	fluffypony: I was going to link the SMBC here :p
18:20	fluffypony	pankkake: best one I've seen in a long time, and I love SMBC
18:22	benkay	;;gettrust defaced
18:22	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=defaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced | Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011
18:22	benkay	;;gettrust assbot defaced
18:22	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=defaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced | Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011
18:27	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: There was an earlier discussion about existing BTC ASIC maker's mistake.
18:27	BingoBoingo	Moiety
18:29	moiety	hello!
18:29	moiety	you survived the storm BingoBoingo
18:29	BingoBoingo	moiety: I managed to survive the winds, but was nearly washed off the road this morning.
18:29	moiety	washed off the road? were you driving? :o
18:31	BingoBoingo	moiety: Yeah. Was driving this morning and the temperature jumped 20 degrees... Then the rain came...
18:32	BingoBoingo	Well drained roadway with deep ditches on both sides, but the rain was falling faster than the water could runoff.
18:33	moiety	eeep, i don't think you should drive anywhere for a while BingoBoingo
18:36	bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/478646591730249728
18:36	assbot	Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete
18:36	bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/478646920970129408
18:36	assbot	Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete
18:36	bitcoinpete	Derpopolous: "All bitcoin wallets are “potentially insecure”, blockchain’s less so than anyone else." "100% security doesn’t exist. There are weaknesses in any system. We manage these risks…"
18:37	bitcoinpete	"we sell the slowest acting poison on the market!"
18:37	BingoBoingo	moiety: The drive was 2 minutes of terror and three hours of boredom.
18:42	BingoBoingo	http://unicode-inc.blogspot.com/2014/06/announcing-unicode-standard-version-70.html
18:42	assbot	The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 7.0
18:44	moiety	three hours? did you get stuck BingoBoingo
18:44	BingoBoingo	moiety: No, was just covering distance.
18:44	moiety	you need a landrover for that rain
18:45	BingoBoingo	Or a car that isn't so bouyant.
18:45	moiety	what is it you have at present?
18:46	BingoBoingo	moiety: Just a boring Saturn Family sedan. Mostly plastic. Draws no unwanted attention and burns little gas.
18:48	moiety	one day, i would like one of these http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/nissan/1367206.jpg but i want to modify it to manual gearbox and bigger engine (they are only 1L autos)
18:48	moiety	saw a black one roll through my new town other day!
18:48	moiety	i've only ever seen two irl
18:49	Mats_cd03	is this 51% thing even a threat? color me unconvinced
18:49	BingoBoingo	Nice. I've always liked the idea of something simple like a Lotus 7, but... In practice I prefer a more disposable conveyance.
18:49	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Not really. Not this way at least.
18:50	pankkake	lol at the bullshit answers
18:50	pankkake	but after all, it's twitter
18:51	pankkake	and the all bitcoin wallets… is an outright lie. there is at least a clear line between web wallet where you don't have the key, web wallet where you have the key but malicious js can be served, and local software
18:53	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Don't forget local wallet on machine separated from the internet...
18:58	Mats_cd03	barry is a typical scrub
18:58	Mats_cd03	cant hold his lies together properly
19:04	BingoBoingo	http://28ri4j3anx8g2wfod51alicjuaw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/top-8-people-having-a-bad-day-.1.jpg
19:05	BingoBoingo	http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/05/14/meanwhile-in-drogheda-3/
19:05	assbot	Meanwhile, In Drogheda | Broadsheet.ie
19:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082215 = 4.3163 BTC [-]
19:05	BingoBoingo	https://imgur.com/WcCZx62
19:05	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
19:07	Mats_cd03	use your words
19:07	BingoBoingo	Fuck Facebook http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/06/elonis_v_united_states_supreme_court_will_hear_the_facebook_speech_case.html
19:07	assbot	Elonis v. United States: Supreme Court will hear the Facebook speech case.
19:10	BingoBoingo	The true threat doctorine is bullshit, and will not stand.
19:13	BingoBoingo	Where do the Bitpoor hang out nowadays?
19:14	BingoBoingo	I kind of want some Klye JustDice porn fic, but I don't want it enought to throw away more than a Bitcent on it.
19:15	BingoBoingo	I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account.
19:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082215 = 11.6334 BTC [-]
19:16	Mats_cd03	describe porn fic and i may be willing to be your proxy
19:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00082218 = 6.8241 BTC [+]
19:17	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: I kind of want to read a short story about Just-Dice destroying Klye's anus with a strapon. Just-Dice also needs tits.
19:19	Mats_cd03	why do you want to fantasize about some pasty white boy
19:19	Mats_cd03	shits weak
19:20	BingoBoingo	I got drunk too early today to write a blog post myself. Kind of hoping some starving Indian or Kansasian bastard would be thrilled to have a bitcent.
19:20	bitcoinpete	moiety: one day, i would like one of these http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/nissan/1367206.jpg <<i've driven a figaro! very rare 'round here. http://www.carenvy.ca/2011/09/an-afternoon-aria-driving-on-the-wrong-side-with-the-nissan-figaro/
19:20	assbot	An Afternoon Aria: Driving on the Wrong Side with the Nissan Figaro | CarEnvy.ca
19:21	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424658.msg7352165#msg7352165
19:21	assbot	MP-2-BTC
19:22	Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, I'm sure Klye would
19:22	Apocalyptic	the issue is he is a poor writer
19:23	BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: The thing is for this purpose he is to... not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for someone as lost with the English Language as I am reading Romanian Trilema articles.
19:23	Mats_cd03	give it a few years and that bitcent could convince klye to enact the scene for you
19:23	Mats_cd03	another bitcent and you might even get some decent postprocessing in there
19:24	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Do you remember last year when a Buttcoin was worth a whole 10 BTC
19:24	Mats_cd03	a lot has happened
19:25	BingoBoingo	Yeah.
19:25	Mats_cd03	i didnt own any until ~125
19:25	BingoBoingo	What part of last year was that...
19:25	BingoBoingo	;;google trilema buttcoins nao
19:25	gribble	They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
19:25	Mats_cd03	i imagine it was prior to february
19:25	moiety	bitcoinpete: that's immense! thanks for the link, so nice to read an actual experience of it :D i also didn't know: "A 5-speed manual was available from the factory, but of the 20,000 Figaros produced, only a small fraction had the do-it-yourselfer installed."
19:25	bitcoinpete	moiety :D
19:26	bitcoinpete	it was one of the funner driving experiences i've had
19:27	BingoBoingo	Eh, I don't judge my road experiences on what I'm driving, but on the WTF shit I encounter.
19:27	moiety	i would like a figaro at some point even moar nao!
19:28	bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: as the passenger, sure
19:28	bitcoinpete	but some cars have a way of worming their way into your heart
19:28	moiety	you encounter a lot of wtf shit whilst driving BingoBoingo, like the pizza-sized man-grappling turtles and floods from nowhere
19:29	BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: I imagine part of that is a side effect of Canada.
19:29	bitcoinpete	pretty much
19:29	bitcoinpete	there's not a lot to drive to or by
19:29	bitcoinpete	it's just… flat
19:29	moiety	the old minis are fun little things
19:29	BingoBoingo	moiety: I have a suspicion the redneck's intention for the turtle was soup, but... Would not be surprised if the turtle won.
19:29	bitcoinpete	moiety: never driven one! what's the biggest size of human they'll fit?
19:31	BingoBoingo	I could see having a "fun" car, but probably as a third car. First car is blending in car. Second is moving shit car. Third car can be fun car.
19:31	moiety	well the thing is, you can fit a six foot person in np, because there is nothing inside. ther foot wells are bare. so seat right back and you can fold a large person in. their head sort of skiffs the roof though
19:33	moiety	my uncle refurbed one for my mum as her first car before minis had their revival and panels were still £15 each. great wee car.
19:33	Mats_cd03	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/congressman-asks-nsa-to-provide-metadata-for-lost-irs-e-mails/
19:33	assbot	Congressman asks NSA to provide metadata for lost IRS e-mails | Ars Technica
19:33	Mats_cd03	excellent
19:33	bitcoinpete	moiety i feel like i'd need a sunroof to pop my fro out out of ;)
19:34	*	BingoBoingo is not yet sure if Miata or Trabant would be more of a fun car.
19:34	bitcoinpete	trabant is you're a wrencher, miata if you're a driver
19:34	moiety	miatas are for hairdressers BingoBoingo
19:34	bitcoinpete	and hipsters
19:34	bitcoinpete	and middle-aged middle managers
19:34	moiety	i honestly think they only look good hard topped
19:35	bitcoinpete	as far as i can tell hairdressers drive hyundai elantras
19:35	moiety	they are meant to handle brilliantly
19:35	BingoBoingo	I just like the idea of a car that is acceptable to move from one garage to another by one's hands and feet
19:35	Mats_cd03	miatas are r small, i can barely move inside one
19:35	bitcoinpete	BingoBoingo: so a bicycle
19:36	BingoBoingo	bitcoinpete: I cover too much distance for a bicycle. Also Bicycle may not have room for... compartments.
19:36	bitcoinpete	paniers
19:36	bitcoinpete	solve all your problems
19:36	bitcoinpete	i basically don't drive in the summer… all 4 months of it here
19:37	bitcoinpete	well, off to pottery class. bon soir
19:40	BingoBoingo	Does anyone here know how firearms laws work at the intersection of Panama and COlumbia?
19:41	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening. << dunno man. some crazy hash added past coupla days
19:41	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But can it stick.
19:41	mircea_popescu	well who's to know
19:42	BingoBoingo	I don't have resources to interfere with random blogs much less pools. Pool politics is getting rather Nasty. Reminds me of that place upstate named after it's stench.
19:42	mircea_popescu	jurov:
19:42	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno << he has a solid point. the most important effect of overheat is shortening lifespan of chips. for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway
19:45	mircea_popescu	trinque so what do you do ?
19:45	trinque	mircea_popescu: write code, hoard bitcoins
19:46	trinque	yourself?
19:46	benkay	<bitcoinpete> well, off to pottery class. bon soir // someone's picking up new girlfriends
19:46	mircea_popescu	im an asshole.
19:46	benkay	trinque: http://mpex.co
19:46	assbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
19:46	mircea_popescu	benkay pottery not пиздery
19:47	BingoBoingo	So... after a lot of drinking on the matter I think I know what I'm doing with the portable.
19:47	benkay	art classes are great places to pick up girls!
19:47	BingoBoingo	benkay: Cam sites work so much better.
19:48	mircea_popescu	"single girl in artclass". does this sound like something to get involved with ?!
19:48	trinque	mircea_popescu: what luck! I too am an asshole
19:49	mircea_popescu	too late. already said you're a coder.
19:49	trinque	benkay: interesting
19:49	BingoBoingo	Then again as mircea_popescu pointed out last month... I probably need to target a cleaner class of girl...
19:49	mircea_popescu	i pointed out such ?!
19:49	trinque	hue "cleaner"
19:50	mircea_popescu	so til argentina has no national drink
19:50	mircea_popescu	this is a serious drawback
19:50	moiety	why would you want one that everyone's already seen anyways BingoBoingo
19:50	moiety	mircea_popescu: do they just drink everything?
19:50	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I thought it was looking like Malbec...
19:50	mircea_popescu	apparently.
19:51	mircea_popescu	and what do you think, he's lookng for something new ?! he's not looking for novelty, he's looking for the same old thing well oiled.
19:51	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well ya they have good wine, but i mean licker
19:51	BingoBoingo	moiety: So you know what they are into.
19:52	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Wait, no hard liqour of worth there?
19:52	mircea_popescu	only imports.
19:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00082215 = 18.2517 BTC [-]
19:52	mircea_popescu	whichj... whatever, havana club
19:53	mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-06-16/ << you srsly need better urls
19:53	assbot	The problem with idioms...
19:53	BingoBoingo	Eh, if it isn't a good brown liquor, I'm prefer the closest thing I can find to a pure solution of ETOH and water
19:54	mircea_popescu	re the reddit ghash link, "It's ironic they propose "starting" what everyone else has been doing for years." << this will be the fucking epitaph of bitcoin once it finally fucking croaks
19:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06761369 = 0.6761 BTC [-]
19:59	mthreat	mircea_popescu: fernet
19:59	mircea_popescu	i'd rather drink donkey piss.
19:59	mthreat	that doesn't mean it can't be the national drink
20:00	mthreat	they mix it with coke
20:00	mircea_popescu	it has to be a drink first.
20:00	mircea_popescu	!up buanz0
20:00	mircea_popescu	hey there.
20:00	buanz0	hi everyone
20:00	BingoBoingo	mthreat: Describe this fernet
20:00	mircea_popescu	so you gotta reg your id with gribble.
20:00	mircea_popescu	it'll give you a challenge and then you're part of the cool kids
20:00	buanz0	fernet is a herbal bitter that argentines love
20:01	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/kdf2hV5.jpg << 10k words.
20:01	mircea_popescu	that's the central fernet factory
20:01	mthreat	BingoBoingo: hmm. it's a italian aperitif, I believe. Not very good by itself.
20:01	buanz0	i will do that later, just popping in for a quick WASSSSSUUUP per your request, mircea_popescu
20:02	mircea_popescu	coolness.
20:02	mircea_popescu	so buanz0 is a jiffy/audacity dev guy
20:02	buanz0	it is awesome by itself, you just need to be non-unitedstatian
20:02	buanz0	:P
20:02	mthreat	apparently the hipsters in SF are big on fernet right now
20:02	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ack, mthreat At their best bitters of any sort are a garnish, not a drink of themself.
20:02	buanz0	you might remember that Alfred from batman forever drinks fernet :P
20:02	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ill give them ths much tho , you can order strega in most cafes and they'll have it.
20:03	mthreat	BingoBoingo: an italian told me that in italy they drink it like a medicine
20:03	mircea_popescu	haven't tried galliano and other herbal shit, but anyway
20:03	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot
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20:03	mthreat	so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin
20:03	buanz0	i drink it as a stomach med
20:03	mircea_popescu	buanz0 ^ check it out, 1st link.
20:03	mircea_popescu	i betcha you've never seen a wot this cool before :D
20:04	mircea_popescu	<mthreat> so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin << ok, i can see that.
20:04	buanz0	i have seen some pretty weird stuff, mir
20:05	mthreat	mircea_popescu: actually, a place you might like is one of the "secret" speakeasys
20:05	mircea_popescu	mthreat aite, so let's go sometime.
20:05	mthreat	deal
20:05	mircea_popescu	i was telling buanz0 about their bdsm party and he was all like... omg when's the next one.
20:05	mircea_popescu	then i told him he'll have to talk the wife into going naked, he visibly softened.
20:06	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Strega's nice. mthreat buanz0 If you want to robotrip just drink the tussin. Unless you have unfortunate genetics at CYP2D6 you'll survive a bottle.
20:06	mircea_popescu	is this some pseudoephedrin cocktail ?
20:07	buanz0	LOL
20:07	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: No, dextromorphan
20:07	mircea_popescu	ew
20:07	buanz0	I distill absinth myself.
20:07	buanz0	still, not my kind of poison
20:08	BingoBoingo	Usually there's only a little vomitting. I've only had the experience thrice before surrendering to it being unpleasant in spite of the right genetics.
20:08	buanz0	naked wifes only in summer
20:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18999 @ 0.00082077 = 15.5938 BTC [-] {2}
20:08	moiety	absinth is what has created my wtf nights
20:08	mircea_popescu	buanz0 it's heated.
20:08	buanz0	good for you.
20:08	benkay	<mircea_popescu> so til argentina has no national drink // fernet!
20:08	mircea_popescu	by animal means.
20:08	benkay	it comes in big gulps at the big clubs
20:09	buanz0	the national drink is a herbal infusion known as mate
20:09	buanz0	Mate
20:09	mircea_popescu	benkay rtfl
20:09	benkay	no u
20:09	benkay	i have a bag of mate in the cupboard
20:09	benkay	CAN YOU TELL I LIKED IT?
20:09	mircea_popescu	what do you do with it ?
20:09	buanz0	yeah, our national drink means "to do it" in english. we frikin rule :P
20:09	benkay	buanz0: who are you??
20:09	mthreat	mircea_popescu: ever notice people walking around with a big thermos and a small silver cup with a silver "straw"?
20:10	buanz0	ask mircea
20:10	mircea_popescu	(also, funny story : i visit friend, she's not there, i decide to make tea. i make tea, i taste it, ittastes like shit. eventually i get bored and leave.
20:10	benkay	mircea_popescu: who's buanz0
20:10	buanz0	good
20:10	mircea_popescu	she calls me later "hey, did you boil some catnip at my place ?!"
20:10	buanz0	:P
20:10	moiety	epic lol
20:10	mircea_popescu	me "ow shit, that's why it tasted like shit. i thought you kept tea in the cupboard"
20:11	benkay	moiety: i read something you wrote earlier as "5-speed manul"
20:11	mircea_popescu	her "fuck i spent an hour trying to figure out how this happened"
20:11	mircea_popescu	mthreat yep
20:11	BingoBoingo	moiety: I like absinthe, but on ice. None of that sugar cube stuff. Don't want to become another Diabeetus 'Murican.
20:11	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo im seriously considering a dolce-de-leche only diet for conference
20:12	mircea_popescu	gotta offer guests the best!
20:12	mircea_popescu	<benkay> buanz0: who are you?? RTFL omg!
20:12	moiety	lol benkay! what have i done to you all in here?! manuls ingrained :D
20:12	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: As long as the beef accompanies it.
20:12	mircea_popescu	dolce de leche beef... hmm...
20:12	moiety	BingoBoingo: never had it on ice. i need the sugar or it's so harsh to me
20:13	mthreat	conan discovers mate, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DJACP0LytY
20:13	assbot	Conan O'Brien Drinking Yerba Mate - YouTube
20:13	moiety	that was originally because of laudenum though, the sugar cube, wasn't it?
20:13	buanz0	BingoBoingo: I like my absinth with good iced water, depending on the kind of absinth I might add a bit of sugar. the cube thing is just for show.
20:13	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it...
20:14	moiety	i thought they dripped laudenum onto the cube and dropped it in the absinthe
20:14	buanz0	some do. i dont care.
20:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34489 @ 0.00081986 = 28.2762 BTC [-] {3}
20:14	BingoBoingo	moiety: Too much sugar in the booze leads to booze sweats in the morning.
20:14	buanz0	i've done my fair bit of distilling and brewing to know how i like to drink :P
20:14	moiety	sorry
20:15	buanz0	it all comes down to the different recipes out there, check out www.absenta.cl
20:15	BingoBoingo	I might just switch to grain alcohol and distilled water. Purity of essence for the win.
20:15	buanz0	LOL
20:16	moiety	i have a 5 gallon brown demi john and a 1 gallon clear one. i want to start making my own things.
20:16	mircea_popescu	<BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it... << ya prolly
20:17	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you can just drink the medicinal alcohol here. i know, cause i tried it. cue "ok, that is by FAR the most ghetto thing I ever saw you do" from floored assistence
20:17	buanz0	ok everyone, off to cook. it's 9.17pm in .ar - my nick will be buanzo, mircea knows how to get in touch with me. cya.
20:18	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly the most valuable part of my college education was learning which 40 oz bottle of Malt liquor were palatable.
20:19	BingoBoingo	King Cobra, probably the best fermented beverage in the US.
20:19	mircea_popescu	mthreat but you know, national drink in the sense of how romanians have tzuica and scotts scotch.
20:19	BingoBoingo	http://www.40ozmaltliquor.com/archive/kingcobra.html
20:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.000817 = 18.8727 BTC [-] {2}
20:20	mthreat	mircea_popescu: ah ok. when i google "argentina national drink" it says mate. I think the national drink is peronism
20:21	mircea_popescu	eva ?
20:21	mthreat	ya
20:21	BingoBoingo	Don't cry for me... Argentina
20:21	mircea_popescu	i wonder if given a choice to drink marylin or eva who'd people pick
20:21	assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F4Y94N.txt )
20:21	BingoBoingo	!b 5
20:21	BingoBoingo	Prolla Eva
20:22	mircea_popescu	personally i think i'd prefer the yankee.
20:22	mircea_popescu	she was hippy
20:23	BingoBoingo	The dark hair and ridiculous lipstick on a girl do it for me.
20:24	mircea_popescu	this should be informative tho : both of them spent their teenage years whoring.
20:24	BingoBoingo	Indeed, and both rose to astounding success in their whore specialties
20:24	mircea_popescu	seems the one thing a woman can do to make sure she won't be remarkable, or remembered, is stay in school as a teenager.
20:25	BingoBoingo	They can prolly stay in school, they just can't date.
20:26	BingoBoingo	They whore successfully on their own of whore for a master. Classes can be taken around that.
20:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00081672 = 30.382 BTC [-] {2}
20:28	*	BingoBoingo says this a someone who tried to start a blackboard vs. whiteboard flamewar.
20:28	mircea_popescu	ya what was that al; about
20:28	*	asciilifeform blackboard << always wondered if mathematicians ever die of 'white lung'
20:29	mircea_popescu	moiety thaty looks like a mini
20:29	BingoBoingo	Whiteboards just don't work, and having been drinking since about... 1PM mircea_popescu time... I supposed aspects of bingo University.
20:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform chalk dust or toluene, pick your embalming technique
20:29	benkay	;;later tell buanzo nice to meetcha
20:29	gribble	The operation succeeded.
20:29	*	asciilifeform picks graphite
20:29	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: to my knowledge common chalk minerals are readily digested by the lungs... Electronics and chalk are another matter.
20:30	mircea_popescu	pankkake: and the all bitcoin wallets is an outright lie. << consider the source. the guy doesn't readily know which hole his piss comes out of .
20:30	moiety	mircea_popescu: :D they were based on minis and the other little coupes of the time
20:31	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: common chalk minerals << your chalk isn't CaCO3?! do we even want to know?
20:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2251 @ 0.00081664 = 1.8383 BTC [-]
20:31	Apocalyptic	heh
20:31	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: When I had access to chalkboards I used a caco3/caso4 mix, whiter lasted longer.
20:32	mircea_popescu	"snort recycled chalk. it's great for your lungs and interesting for speologists, too!"
20:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 86192 @ 0.00009999 = 8.6183 BTC [+] {4}
20:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: http://28ri4j3anx8g2wfod51alicjuaw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/top-8-people-having-a-bad-day-.1.jpg << ok that was a lol.
20:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account. << yeah i kinda need fiver type of things but can'r be arsed either.
20:34	mircea_popescu	jurov you willing to open your fiverr to the chan ? or who was it that had one, mike ?
20:34	BingoBoingo	-assets problems
20:34	BingoBoingo	Maybe fluffypony
20:34	BingoBoingo	?
20:34	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03: shits weak << he has you there bb.
20:36	BingoBoingo	Yeah
20:36	BingoBoingo	Still, I think the matriculation test is a valuable idea.
20:38	BingoBoingo	By the time a person takes it they are too late to reconsider another institution so after a year of shoveling shit they either get their act together or die.
20:39	mircea_popescu	what matriculation is that ?
20:39	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Into the freshman class or the subfreshman class.
20:40	BingoBoingo	http://valleywag.gawker.com/delusional-ceo-says-google-punishes-successful-l-a-com-1591678622/+laceydonohue
20:40	assbot	Delusional CEO Says Google Punishes Successful L.A. Companies
20:40	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway << not necessarily. let's gedankenexperiment. picture scenario where the two or three remaining producers ship... sabotaged ic. (take your pick - timed self-destruct, perverted algo with collusion of 'dev' folks, etc.)
20:40	mircea_popescu	uh ok...
20:40	asciilifeform	old hardware - suddenly worth something. at least temporarily.
20:41	nubbins`	right on! so this local arts newspaper wants to do a spread on pink eye for their july issue
20:41	mircea_popescu	hey good for you
20:42	nubbins`	tyvm, pictures & everything
20:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda improbable.
20:42	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo dredging up VAXen also seemed improbable just a few years ago.
20:43	mircea_popescu	no bit look
20:43	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Indeed it did, but nao....
20:43	mircea_popescu	the "value" of the sabotage is high. to expect an agent to do a high value thing just so YOU can capture its benefits...
20:43	mircea_popescu	obviously if they do that, they have a bullet for you, too.
20:44	mircea_popescu	rarely will someone kill the queen to die to the bishop as it were
20:44	BingoBoingo	Happens, but you need at least two bishops for checkmate.
20:45	asciilifeform	i'd even dare to guess that the much-hyped ic fab diddling does indeed take place - but through...
20:45	asciilifeform	... diddled toolchains.
20:45	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo happens in constrained spaces
20:45	mircea_popescu	not so much in open
20:45	asciilifeform	nobody's gone over tape-out mask with a magnifying glass since when, '85 ?
20:46	asciilifeform	think: variation on the ken thompson theme.
20:46	mircea_popescu	right
20:46	asciilifeform	yereaditherephurst (tm)
20:46	mircea_popescu	nobody has a clue what's in their toolchain anyway
20:46	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: If you wipe out the other pieces two bishops and a king can mate a king. actually works better with less clutter on the boardd.
20:46	mircea_popescu	it could secretly hum ave maria very quietly for all anyone knew
20:47	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo by open i mean, a situation that doesn't have a fixed border at the 8th column, ora fixed nuymber of pieces and no generators etcv
20:47	asciilifeform	likewise: if the toolchain is diddled on the manufacturer's (golden master copy) end, you can own multiple (all?) ic producers.
20:47	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In that case you aren't playing chess, but instead a more interesting game.
20:47	asciilifeform	the monoculture in engineering software puts microshit to shame
20:48	mircea_popescu	yup
20:48	mircea_popescu	(to both of you)
20:48	asciilifeform	afaik this has been discussed - nowhere.
20:48	*	mircea_popescu whistles... nowhere but here baby, for if you make it here
20:48	mircea_popescu	you make it... everywhere
20:48	asciilifeform	lol
20:48	BingoBoingo	afaik asciilifeform HN and the aggregators banned you for a reasons...
20:49	mircea_popescu	fud?
20:49	asciilifeform	spamz
20:49	asciilifeform	spud?
20:49	BingoBoingo	Seekrits... FPGAs as user interactive platforms.
20:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00081655 = 30.1307 BTC [-] {2}
20:51	BingoBoingo	All of a sudden any user makes their own wildly incompatible bedrocks.
20:51	asciilifeform	betcha all the current btc asic houses use, e.g. 'synopsys'
20:51	BingoBoingo	Shhhh....
20:51	mircea_popescu	actually this could be a pretty decent haxxor project
20:51	asciilifeform	even more fun than the traditional compiler infector.
20:51	mircea_popescu	"hijack the fab toolchain"
20:51	asciilifeform	(yes they're still extant)
20:52	BingoBoingo	It's what Gov-hash.io would do.
20:52	mthreat	dumb mining question: is electricity the biggest cost these days? If so, has anyone set up an operation in a locale with cheap (possibly subsidized) electricity?
20:53	mircea_popescu	not the biggest cost, but a relevant factor ; yes.
20:53	BingoBoingo	mthreat: The biggest mining cost has always been the opportunity cost.
20:54	asciilifeform	picture: silicocalypse, and just chuck moore left standing.
20:54	mthreat	BingoBoingo: that's why I haven't pursued mining
20:54	asciilifeform	(he's got his own end-to-end chain)
20:54	mthreat	mircea_popescu: argentina has subsidized electricity, i believe
20:54	mircea_popescu	so does china
20:54	mthreat	mircea_popescu: partially subsidized, i mean
20:54	mthreat	ok. I figured folks were already all over that.
20:55	mircea_popescu	the one thing that may make a datacenter feasible is having someone trustworthy to oversee it
20:55	mircea_popescu	that's an unbeatable service, pretty much everyone is shady as fuck
20:55	mircea_popescu	see cex.io etc
20:56	BingoBoingo	Cex.io is going to cause much more butthurt than Gox ever could and it was promoted by the same tards.
20:57	kakobrekla	was it ?
20:57	mircea_popescu	well, it was promoted also by a set of tards that promote everything
20:57	mircea_popescu	so in thatsens
20:57	mircea_popescu	e]
20:57	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: I'm talking on the low end. Last summer.
20:57	BingoBoingo	At its birth Cex has derps by the ISIS truckload.
20:58	kakobrekla	i dunno. the asset they trade only goes down.
20:58	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla so clearly it's bvetter than all other investments. stop trolling :D
20:58	kakobrekla	kk
20:59	BingoBoingo	Nasty honest...
21:00	BingoBoingo	Where the consistent loses are merely club dues.
21:01	mircea_popescu	the death of critical thinking in school curricula has inter alia resulted in this mass of idiots who will think they're important and meaningful no matter what.
21:01	mircea_popescu	which in turn creates a class of guys selling them participation.
21:01	mircea_popescu	someone should make the club of "responsible people that keep the sun rising"
21:02	mircea_popescu	and you know, collect 20 bux a week in exchange for equipment these idiots "use" to make the sun keep rising
21:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16257 @ 0.00081604 = 13.2664 BTC [-] {2}
21:03	BingoBoingo	Well, people still need to buy participation in the form of Trilema credits to keep up with the cool kids. The bottom of the class will never understand the distinct difference in value returned.
21:04	mircea_popescu	if all it took weresome tcredits to make someone smart...
21:04	BingoBoingo	It doesn't work. I tried throwing around trilema cookies when TF's coinchat was a thing.
21:05	mircea_popescu	orly ?!
21:05	BingoBoingo	Yeah, people kept buying cex inspite of the PMB article.
21:06	mircea_popescu	lolk
21:07	BingoBoingo	This goes into the distinction between mike_c and TheNewDeal trying to buy into my no bet against the same hard boundaries and only one of them speaking a language I could agree to.
21:09	BingoBoingo	mike_c: Wanted to purchase exactly what the bet could underwrite. TheNewDeal wanted something better. Even if mike_c's payment would have been lower it was infinitely more attractive because the bet could underwrite itself.
21:10	mircea_popescu	ic
21:11	BingoBoingo	The Coinchat tard were largely forum tards for whom the forum could not burn their money fast enough. And without and option to remotely fry their retinas I had no stick with which to educate them.
21:12	BingoBoingo	They could not understand Cex.io was a PMB with greater risk to themselves.
21:14	mircea_popescu	lol
21:15	BingoBoingo	Also so many people fell for other idiots pitches where they were making asics in their garage. It was a nightmare.
21:16	moiety	This hasn't changed. You can explain until you are blue in the face. People do not want to listen/learn.
21:16	BingoBoingo	On the plus side though people would do anything for a bitcent.
21:16	mircea_popescu	kinmda how i feel about substance abuse
21:17	mircea_popescu	you can tlel people anything you want, they're still gonna imagine drugs are cool mkay
21:17	BingoBoingo	Yeah.
21:17	*	moiety nods
21:18	mircea_popescu	it's all a case of "hey dawg, we heard you like endorphins so we put more endorphins in your endorphins so you can space out while you';re spacing out"
21:18	mircea_popescu	gl getting it through.
21:18	moiety	i have given up trying
21:20	BingoBoingo	Casualty of if you can you must http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/hall-of-famer-tony-gwynn-dies-at-54-after-cancer-battle?ymd=20140616&content_id=80040976&vkey=news_mlb
21:20	assbot	Hall of Famer Tony Gwynn dies at 54 after cancer battle | MLB.com: News
21:22	BingoBoingo	Honestly I doubt anything could end civilization faster than booze without the hangover, but then... You see those opiates collapsing US civilization.
21:23	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo actually romanian booze doesn't give you a hangover
21:23	mircea_popescu	just a pleasant mellow th next day
21:23	mircea_popescu	that's why we never amount to anything
21:23	BingoBoingo	That would eplain your dissatisfactions with Timisoara's direction
21:23	mircea_popescu	how so ?
21:24	BingoBoingo	If getting fucked up has no consequences no one appreciates the danger of it.
21:24	BingoBoingo	And no one does anything because they can painlessly numb away their failure.
21:25	mircea_popescu	a, their drink up around there is kinda shitty.
21:25	mircea_popescu	sorta like you know, "new hampshire moonshine"
21:25	BingoBoingo	Ouch
21:26	mircea_popescu	ok the rosenblatt article is quite lulzy
21:27	mircea_popescu	While Demand Media went public for a blistering $2 billion in 2011, its articles were largely useless, with titles ranging from "How to Boil Water" to "How to Turn on a Mac Computer." Google, in an effort to serve up quality content to its users, dropped Demand's articles down in the search results. The company's traffic plummeted and its shareholders were left researching "How to Write Off a Worthless Stock."
21:28	BingoBoingo	I think at my lowest points I made a couple tanks of gas off of them. Stopped because their editorial policies made anything useful impossible.
21:28	mircea_popescu	https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070820011514AAt4rlU
21:28	assbot	Am i pregnent???? please help me....?
21:29	kakobrekla	chill the fuck down assbot, you are not.
21:29	mircea_popescu	lol win.
21:29	decimation	I watched "Elysium" on the redeye back from hawaii last night. Steve Sailor's review nails it: http://takimag.com/article/elysium_neill_blomkamp_fools_the_critics_again_steve_sailer
21:29	assbot	Elysium: Neill Blomkamp Fools the Critics Again - Taki's Magazine
21:29	mircea_popescu	what have been doing with the assbot kako ?
21:30	peterl	so I was reading the trilema about the D series
21:30	peterl	essentially it is naked shorting derps?
21:30	moiety	lmao @ "if he spirmed in you"
21:30	mircea_popescu	peterl yea
21:30	peterl	and how does that squash them?
21:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.00081584 = 7.7782 BTC [-] {2}
21:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10022 @ 0.0001 = 1.0022 BTC [+]
21:31	mircea_popescu	that's complicated.
21:31	peterl	I figured. is there a simple way to understand it?
21:31	BingoBoingo	Complicated in the same way that earned Amphoteracin the nickname Amphoterrible.
21:32	BingoBoingo	;;later tell BingoBoingo you should do some pharacology posts
21:32	gribble	The operation succeeded.
21:32	peterl	And if they never list their company publicly, you just get to keep the money?
21:33	peterl	What happens if they sell out to a big company instead of listing?
21:33	mircea_popescu	peterl perhaps. suppose some guy comes to your town and starts seelling bottled water as "magical healing elixir"
21:33	mircea_popescu	for 95 a bottle.
21:33	mircea_popescu	now suppose 7/11 down thestreet from him sees this and puts up an ad : "same thing. 75c"
21:34	peterl	so people buy from 7-11
21:34	mircea_popescu	kinda makes it difficult for the shills pretending to be buying from the guy.
21:34	mircea_popescu	because now they are actually going against sanity, much like the "havelock users" that somehow "bought" the re-ipo, briefly at 200% averages
21:34	mircea_popescu	the rent re-ipo*
21:35	peterl	but doesn't derp have infinite hitpoints?
21:35	mircea_popescu	problem with these deals is that they're not for derps.
21:35	BingoBoingo	peterl: Derp lacks infinite money.
21:35	mircea_popescu	that's the whole selling point of a series a : "buy before the masses"
21:36	mircea_popescu	if anyone can have it, for cheaper, you can't sell more.
21:36	peterl	ah, so this is a way to make money off the endless stream of derps?
21:36	mircea_popescu	if you can't sell more, and even if you have good reason to suspect you won't be able to sell more, you have no furhter reasopn to even try
21:36	mircea_popescu	not like you're in it for reals anyway.
21:37	mircea_popescu	no. this is a way to expose the usg agents trying to push bitcoin a certain way.
21:37	peterl	do you expect people to actually buy shares from you, or will it just be a way to expose the sham they are running?
21:38	mircea_popescu	i expect anyone who actually thinks one of the things is worth money to buy from me first, yes.
21:38	mircea_popescu	kinda how economics work.
21:38	kakobrekla	(in theory)
21:39	mircea_popescu	no, it's actually how economics work in practice.
21:39	peterl	but buying from you does not get capital to the people who would make it work
21:39	mircea_popescu	anyway, it exposes the hostile agents to a hard case of the "either stupid or evil" dilemma.
21:39	mircea_popescu	it does, sure.
21:40	decimation	presumably the 'founders' who believed in their company would buy shares too
21:41	BingoBoingo	decimation: If they need capital why would they buy shares?
21:41	mircea_popescu	no but there's no difference between avoiding a debt and making a gain. inasmuch as the offer is there, it's indifferent who you buy from. if you buy from me you prevent someone else from doing so, who will in turn have to buy from the "Founders"
21:41	mircea_popescu	economy is still a zero sum game, and you don't actually have political directionality.
21:41	kakobrekla	i guess we shall see about the practice part.
21:42	peterl	BingoBoingo: if they had capital, why would they be selling shares?
21:43	decimation	I think bingo means why would they buy D series from mircea
21:43	BingoBoingo	decimation: No.
21:43	BingoBoingo	peterl: You didn't quite hit the contrapositive of my position.
21:43	peterl	I don't think I meant to?
21:44	Mats_cd03	decimation: elysium's production value was incredible. props from peter jackson's failed halo movie made it into elysium, like the flying machine
21:44	BingoBoingo	peterl: Because your construction is silly. How much capital has Armandi raised for no purpose.
21:45	peterl	So you are saying they would raise capital and then use it to buy D shares?
21:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1106 @ 0.00081727 = 0.9039 BTC [+]
21:45	mircea_popescu	i suppose that could yield them a profit.
21:45	BingoBoingo	peterl: No, you are trying to add context absent from my proposition.
21:45	asciilifeform	they could also saw off their own limbs and roast them. save on food cost for their startup.
21:46	mircea_popescu	so apparently bitcoind has a serious problem with moving timezones
21:46	decimation	mats: heh yeah you are right. I think he was trying to convey several points: 1.) half measures don't work - shoot down the third world shuttles when they invade 2.) democracy turns to decadence - too weak to hold the allodial rights to a domain
21:47	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I kind of though that was part of the MP attitude towards building certain ideas. If you lack the captital to not roast your leg and can't ask for money, you eat yourself.
21:47	mircea_popescu	"Then he got to her essay. As he remembers it, she mentioned a French teacher she greatly admired. She described their one-on-one conversation at the end of a school day. And then, this detail: During their talk, when an urge to go to the bathroom could no longer be denied, she decided not to interrupt the teacher or exit the room. She simply urinated on herself."
21:49	Mats_cd03	yeah and for fucks sake audit your code so the peasants dont ruin elysium
21:49	decimation	lol re: college admissions - it's also well known that putting something like "future farmer of america" or "boy scout" or "rotc" (high school junior military "club") greatly reduces the probability of admission
21:49	decimation	mats: yeah that's the other point - if the "logic" of your computerized government system is reprogrammable, you've fucked up
21:49	mircea_popescu	boy scout ?! why ?
21:49	mircea_popescu	not gay enough anymore ?
21:50	asciilifeform	the wrong gay
21:50	BingoBoingo	decimation: My Eagle scoutness did not adversly affect my admissionness to undergrad.
21:50	asciilifeform	(as outlined in mp's essay on the subclasses)
21:50	decimation	did you go to an ivy league?
21:50	BingoBoingo	decimation: No, incentive for such was insufficient.
21:51	mircea_popescu	lol so then you don't count
21:51	BingoBoingo	Fattest person on the team hit a triple https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/478714633327349760
21:51	assbot	Matt Adams now tied for the /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash team lead with three triples.
21:51	decimation	well, basically going to ivy league is religious indoctrination
21:51	decimation	so it's not suprising that they only select the non-heretics
21:51	mircea_popescu	ima brb.
21:51	BingoBoingo	decimation: I went to a Methodist college, but... Methodism isn't a real religion anyways.
21:52	decimation	Methodism has backslid into general liberal derpiness
21:52	BingoBoingo	decimation: No, it just realized its only potential value is a a social club
21:52	BingoBoingo	Derpiness comes later
21:53	decimation	if you discount Christianity's assertations about the nature, I would agree with you
21:53	decimation	"the nature" being the natural and the supernatural
21:54	BingoBoingo	decimation: You have to realize what I say about methodism is purely as an outside observer.
21:54	decimation	asciilifeform: re: engineering toolchain - I wonder if Intel's toolchain suppliers have ever experimented with "enhancements"
21:55	decimation	the motive, means, and opportunity are there
21:56	BingoBoingo	I remember when AMD fucked their compilers by cribbing Intel
21:57	decimation	some of intel's performance libraries will refuse to work on AMD hardware, unsurprisingly
21:58	BingoBoingo	Right, even though ideally the same instruction sets are implemented.
22:00	decimation	re: elyisum (from steve sailor's review): "Elysium originated in a disastrous visit to Mexico in 2005. While shooting a Nike commercial in lovely San Diego, the Boer crossed the border one evening to see Tijuana, where he was abducted by corrupt Mexican cops who shook him down for $900 in return for not killing him."
22:00	decimation	the genius thing is that he got the critics to rave that he was writing a movie about Obamacare
22:01	decimation	"Art, from the Great Pyramid on down, is actually about the most talented and/or self-confident bullying the rest of us into furnishing them with the resources to realize their visions, while the nice liberal dweebs pass on to us the artists? self-serving justifications."
22:03	moiety	i've made a start to the wiki bot commands list with assbot, i'll finish gribble tomorrow. mod6 and i working on atcbot soon. totally wiped out, night all :]
22:04	Mats_cd03	;;bc,stats
22:04	gribble	Current Blocks: 306237 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 194 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 30 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13315704078.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.26199
22:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00082386 = 27.3933 BTC [+] {2}
22:10	benkay	<peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting?
22:17	benkay	Mats_cd03: you could always do spv on ios
22:17	benkay	(hue)
22:17	TheNewDeal	praise the hashgods, the bitcoin network is strong once again
22:20	benkay	prase the handjobs!
22:20	BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/how-tony-gwynn-cracked-baseballs-code-and-became-a-lege-1591491368
22:20	assbot	How Tony Gwynn Cracked Baseball's Code And Became A Legend
22:20	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: You have to realize there is plenty of time for... externalities
22:20	TheNewDeal	there was, the window is increasingly tightening
22:21	TheNewDeal	literally about 13 days for something drastic to happen
22:22	BingoBoingo	And what was this weekend? We could have a full blown pool war.
22:22	TheNewDeal	didn't seem to slow the hashrate
22:22	Mats_cd03	benkay: im going to push some bit-c eventually, just a matter of time
22:22	BingoBoingo	For a while ~50% of the hashrate was out of the game.
22:23	TheNewDeal	huh?
22:23	TheNewDeal	when did this occur
22:23	BingoBoingo	The Ghash.io DDoS
22:24	Mats_cd03	er bit-c code, dropped a word.
22:24	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: It wasn't a long thing, seemed like a strong warning.
22:25	Mats_cd03	ecdsa+gpg signing, gpg-agent, coin selection is what im working on
22:25	TheNewDeal	yah I was going to say, the sipa chart doesn't show much of a bump http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-10k.png
22:26	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Looked like a warning shot. I imagine actual violence comes later.
22:26	Mats_cd03	95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad
22:26	BingoBoingo	Also there's the part where this bet has me sweating.
22:27	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Embrace it.
22:27	*	BingoBoingo plays FFVII, about to fuck up Wutai
22:34	Mats_cd03	benkay: i forget exactly what it was you wanted. tx ids and a json api?
22:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.0665643 = 4.127 BTC [-] {10}
22:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.0008216 = 6.2852 BTC [-]
22:55	mircea_popescu	benkay:
22:55	mircea_popescu	<peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting? << division by 0 is a problem, 0 divided by 0 is not.
22:56	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before
23:00	mircea_popescu	ahaha get a load of this
23:00	mircea_popescu	Michele Hernandez, another prominent admissions counselor, runs one or more sessions of an Application Boot Camp every summer in which roughly 25 to 30 kids will be tucked away for four days in a hotel to work with a team of about eight editors on what she told me were as many as 10 drafts of each of three to five different essays. The camp costs $14,000 per student. That doesn’t include travel to it, the hotel bill
23:00	mircea_popescu	, breakfast or dinners, but it does include lunch and a range of guidance, both before and during the four days, on how students should fill out college applications and best showcase themselves.
23:00	mircea_popescu	Hernandez, Jager-Hyman and others in the booming admissions-counseling business
23:00	mircea_popescu	booming ? fucking scam, 15k for nothing.
23:00	mircea_popescu	“Admissions officers pay as much attention to students’ choice of essay topic as they do to the details in their essays,” Motto told me.
23:00	mircea_popescu	i'd be fucken surprised if anyone ever read one of those things
23:01	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before << at least ncurses has docs... unlike gnome
23:01	Apocalyptic	<Megalomania> when we go into space, real estate prices on earth will crash
23:01	Apocalyptic	<Megalomania> poor people will live better
23:01	Apocalyptic	what shit can people come to these days...
23:05	mircea_popescu	lol
23:05	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo gnome prolly doesn't actually exist at all
23:05	mircea_popescu	just an insider joek
23:06	BingoBoingo	I'm starting to think that to an extent people can find use for Desktop environments over windowmangers, Xfce may be where it is at.
23:08	BingoBoingo	Actually has decent separation of things.
23:21	mircea_popescu	!up napedia
23:21	mircea_popescu	;;rate napedia 1 I got a fan.
23:21	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user napedia has been recorded.
23:25	asciilifeform	gnome!?
23:25	*	asciilifeform must've woken up in 2002
23:26	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 15k for nothing << surprisingly few people are aware of an interesting scam the 'ivy' unis run
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23:26	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they make it virtually impossible for a kid to flunk
23:27	mircea_popescu	i bet they do
23:27	asciilifeform	(various means. sometimes direct diddling of grades, some even abolished grading for first years; many methods)
23:27	asciilifeform	while in public unis, at least in hard sciences, 40-50% flunk
23:27	mircea_popescu	once they got a sucker theyd rater not lose it
23:28	BingoBoingo	SLAC ends tend to be the same but the means are subtler than Ivys as always
23:28	mircea_popescu	a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face
23:28	mircea_popescu	you just can't get such a good measure of kids coupla years post puberty
23:28	asciilifeform	so now you know one of the services they provide.
23:28	Apocalyptic	<mircea_popescu> a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face << pretty much
23:28	asciilifeform	guaranteed max grade
23:29	asciilifeform	but in order to provide this service, they must maintain the illusion of 'we only recruit True Genius!'
23:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, but it's max grade from the forum's investor grading thing. A+++
23:29	asciilifeform	precisely this one
23:30	mircea_popescu	yes but economy has the same age old problem : it's real. once i know that ivy league predicts non-competence im not hiring them anymore.
23:30	mircea_popescu	signals be signals, all i need is to know what they mean.
23:30	asciilifeform	the next stage of pipeline for the ivy kids (employment, either directly in .gov, or the many quasi-private arms of the ussa hydra) follows the same formula.
23:30	asciilifeform	i.e. hire the folks with the yale '4.0'
23:30	asciilifeform	it's a kind of smaller 'komsomol'
23:31	mircea_popescu	exactly how the chinese ended up ruled by manchuku, too.
23:31	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu knows history, cannot be surprised
23:31	decimation	mircea: except the job of the ivies is to prepare someone to coddle USG for a living
23:34	BingoBoingo	See. I imagine a solution to this problem. Matriculation exam and a subfreshman class aspiring to not shovel shit the next year.
23:34	bitstein	;;rate napedia 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. Wicked smart. Lots of privilege.
23:34	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 8 for user napedia has been recorded.
23:34	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what problem. the 'patient' is 100% microzoa by weight at this point.
23:35	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I imagine gnome is one of those abandonware projects like gnash people flock to merely for their existence
23:35	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'he' needs - not antibiotic - but proper burial.
23:35	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The mercy problem. They have 1 year to study before becoming the shit they shovel.
23:35	asciilifeform	[insert obligatory mit battery film]
23:36	asciilifeform	;;mitbattery
23:36	gribble	Error: "mitbattery" is not a valid command.
23:36	BingoBoingo	;;google mit battery
23:36	gribble	Batteries | MIT News Office: <http://newsoffice.mit.edu/topic/batteries>; Liquid Metal Batteries - Group Sadoway: <http://sadoway.mit.edu/research/liquid-metal-batteries>; Saying goodbye to batteries - MIT: <http://web.mit.edu/erc/spotlights/ultracapacitor.html>
23:36	BingoBoingo	;;google mit battery fail
23:36	gribble	A123's Technology Just Wasn't Good Enough | MIT Technology ...: <http://www.technologyreview.com/news/429647/a123s-technology-just-wasnt-good-enough/>; Technical Innovations Help Explain Why Tesla Is Succeeding and ...: <http://www.technologyreview.com/news/513151/why-tesla-survived-and-fisker-wont/>; What the Tesla Battery Fire Means for Electric Vehicles | MIT ...: (1 more message)
23:36	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334
23:36	assbot	MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube
23:36	BingoBoingo	OMG conspiracy!!!
23:37	bitstein	;;rate justusranvier 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. John Connor of Bitcoin.
23:37	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 8 for user justusranvier has been recorded.
23:37	decimation	re gnome: I wonder why Redhat continues to favor gnome - it seems KDE is far more professional for a "desktop environment"
23:37	asciilifeform	related: http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/decline.htm
23:37	assbot	Why I am Not a Professor
23:37	asciilifeform	^ recommended reading. british, but generally applicable.
23:38	decimation	ascii, as long as USG is able to keep the bezzle going - joining the bezzle wot is going to be profitable. Ivies are the traditional entrance to the bezzle wot
23:39	asciilifeform	decimation: not a secret. only throwing some light on the mechanics.
23:39	decimation	right, the question is merely guessing when the machine explodes, and how to hide
23:39	bitstein	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Great blog, presides over great #bitcoin-assets group. Very welcoming.
23:39	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
23:40	decimation	examining the details is interesting though. Here's a USG employee who was actually "fired" - and he named names: http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/40868nasa-heliophysics-director-fired
23:40	assbot	NASA Heliophysics Director Fired | SpaceNews.com
23:41	decimation	"?I believe that the problems in the Heliophysics Division are dominated by the continuing actions of Dr. Madhulika Guhathakurta,? Chenette wrote. ?By her actions she chooses not to work as a member of the Heliophysics Division team. More than any other person she has been an unusually divisive and polarizing presence in the heliophysics community.?
23:41	asciilifeform	at least they didn't plug him
23:41	asciilifeform	like this fellow
23:41	asciilifeform	http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Livermore-Engineer-s-Mysterious-Death-3240466.php
23:42	assbot	Livermore Engineer's Mysterious Death / Investigators in the brutal slaying of Lee Scott Hall -- who found a flaw in a billion-dollar project -- are exasperated by the lab's lack of cooperation - SFGate
23:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17266 @ 0.0008216 = 14.1857 BTC [-]
23:42	bitstein	;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Great blog, brought me into the #bitcoin-assets WoT.
23:42	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded.
23:42	decimation	where did Ms. Guhathakurta pop up in google? http://womensvoicesforchange.org/lives-of-the-stars-courtesy-of-whoopi-goldberg-madhlika-guhathakurta-ro-kinzler-and-a-cast-of-millions.htm
23:42	assbot	Lives of the Stars, Courtesy of Whoopi Goldberg, Madhlika Guhathakurta, Ro Kinzler and A Cast of Millions | Women's Voices For Change
23:42	decimation	In addition, NASA?s Guhathakurta pointed to a core philosophical theme, about the connections among the building blocks of the universe and their connection to human beings. ?People will have now seen it with their own eyes,? she said. ?And they will see that at a very deep level ? a molecular level, really ? we are all connected to each other.?
23:42	decimation	So, basically the guy was fired because he was put in charge of a Party member
23:43	decimation	and was confused when he thought his nominal job title meant anything to the way power is actually excercised
23:43	BingoBoingo	decimation: KDE isn't a desktop environment anymore though. It is nao a kitchen sink circle jerk. Eventually they'll make a kernel... Just you wait...
23:43	decimation	yeah KDE went downhill after around 3, when it was just a desktop environment
23:44	BingoBoingo	I like Xfce for no other reason than they basically... stopped...
23:44	BingoBoingo	Still, it is no CDE
23:44	asciilifeform	decimation: gotta understand why they threw this fellow under the bus to cover for the shaman
23:44	asciilifeform	nasa has problems
23:45	decimation	heliophysics can also have problems
23:45	asciilifeform	namely, it's quite close to the front of the line for the chopping block
23:45	asciilifeform	how to get public support? court shamans
23:45	asciilifeform	don't be surprised to see nasa-branded horoscopes
23:46	decimation	well, the current pseudoscience shamanhood appears to be the climate change wing of the party
23:46	asciilifeform	plenty of physics folks still getting bread ticket there. but they are taught - on what toes not to step.
23:46	asciilifeform	this one wasn't a quick learner.
23:46	decimation	as long as your obscure research "proves climate change", you will avoid "problems"
23:47	asciilifeform	easy target. but understand that u.s. academia is divided into pissant fiefdoms entirely like the climate chumpatron
23:47	asciilifeform	just more obscure
23:48	asciilifeform	e.g. the fusion folks
23:48	decimation	yeah moldbug talks about the same phenomenon in computer science
23:48	asciilifeform	as described, for example, here - http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/anatomy-of-a-fusion-press-release
23:48	assbot	Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science
23:48	*	asciilifeform must have spammed the moldbug-on-cs link a thousand times
23:48	BingoBoingo	OMG, these chicken livers were prolly my best purchase this year.
23:49	BingoBoingo	2lbs of them already fired for $3.50
23:50	asciilifeform	re: nasa & collapse - the very same thing happened in ussr
23:50	asciilifeform	physicists selling 'biorhythm' charts in bazaars to feed their children, etc
23:50	asciilifeform	public wants snake oil. academia - retools for snake production.
23:51	asciilifeform	all the 'democracy' catabolic collapse processes get thrown into high gear when the paycheques stop coming.
23:51	asciilifeform	thought pandering to bureaucrats sucked? try the public.
23:52	decimation	the mind reels. the amusing thing is that most of the "red state" enemies of the USG elite all think democracy is the best thing since sliced bread
23:52	asciilifeform	'наука и жизнь' ('science & life', the russian equivalent of the - pre-90s-decay - 'scientific american') circa '91-97 was running pieces on nostradamus.
23:52	asciilifeform	just to keep the heat on
23:53	decimation	well, "popular science etc" are pretty much there today
23:53	asciilifeform	just remember kidz, we're all connected to each other and the universe through quantum-intestinal resonance.
23:54	asciilifeform	laugh now - press release later.
23:54	asciilifeform	decimation: the 'red' folks will get their nasa museaums, with noah's flood, etc
23:56	decimation	lol the scott locklin article. basically the NIF is a shrine to big engineering project meets pseudoscience
23:57	asciilifeform	decimation: visit any university lab in the u.s., anywhere. invite a postdoc for a drink, ask how much of what is done stands any chance whatsoever of 'working' - in the customary meaning of the word.
23:59	decimation	well, all of this stems from a lack of accountability and discipline. why not propose a $2bn shrine to ignorance? people in my district need jobs you know
23:59	asciilifeform	anything resembling 'accountability' would see the entire orchestra demolishes, the earth where it stood - salted.

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