#trilema | 2014-06-09

this one looks a little iffy https://www.google.com/search?q=claire+danes&safe=off&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fzuVU8f4MNizyAT6i4HIAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=643#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=eojvOvIhxj6grM%253A%3BF43YDPK0VqpqnM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.beautyriot.com%252Fphotos%252Fclaire-danes-straight-blonde-romantic-updo-hairstyle.j

00:44

claire danes - Google Search

00:44

pg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.beautyriot.com%252Fcelebrities%252Fclaire-danes%252Fphoto-claire-danes-straight-blonde-romantic-updo-hairstyle-pid27671%3B400%3B544

00:45

but she does look like she non-ages well

00:47

lol

00:49

that's kinda neat that all mpex people can create i.diff futures

00:50

claire danes is scary

00:51

pretty good looking in my opinion

00:51

http://media1.onsugar.com/files/2013/09/24/087/n/1922398/7d58b88d6672e166_thumb_temp35398911380070601/i/Claire-Danes-Homeland-Premiere-Video.jpg

00:54

cazalla would you like to buy some of my exposure to the bastille day bet?

01:00

i've already bet yes so i'll pass

01:01

doh

01:02

dw, it's like the Oklahoma Michigan bet and nobody had that one

01:03

not familiar with the one you're referring to

01:04

the one with the crooked fkn zebras

01:04

whaaaaaaaaat

01:04

oh

01:04

refs

01:05

ha sorry :P

01:05

sorry, still lost me here

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01:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00085147 = 7.4504 BTC [+]

01:34

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00005366 = 0.2146 BTC [-]

01:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00085125 = 23.5371 BTC [-] {2}

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02:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00085102 = 34.9769 BTC [-] {3}

02:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00085081 = 19.994 BTC [-]

02:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00085074 = 5.3171 BTC [-] {2}

02:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30490 @ 0.00085066 = 25.9366 BTC [-]

02:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81595 @ 0.00085596 = 69.8421 BTC [+] {3}

02:46

lol

02:47

;;later tell benkay F.OLD as the symbol?

02:47

The operation succeeded.

02:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07270056 = 0.727 BTC [-] {2}

02:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00084983 = 27.662 BTC [-] {2}

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03:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28341 @ 0.00085549 = 24.2454 BTC [+] {2}

03:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0232046 = 0.232 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0232021 = 0.232 BTC [-]

03:22

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07200041 = 0.72 BTC [-]

03:23

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0250331 = 0.2253 BTC [-] {3}

03:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0235962 = 0.4719 BTC [+]

03:24

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07200031 = 0.432 BTC [-] {2}

03:26

CBTC is still valued quite high.

03:27

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.02327155 = 0.4422 BTC [-] {2}

03:27

<benkay> [00:00:24] no no, coinbr resolves to hookers << what?

03:31

The mermaid, he must recognize her, must be one of his local hookers.

03:31

That's the most logical explanation I can find, and it's not very logical, but eh.

03:32

this is classic

03:32

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg7204419#msg7204419

03:32

Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)

03:32

"havelock should hv done their checks on him and not offer scam companies."

03:32

if only.

03:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23296 @ 0.0008566 = 19.9554 BTC [+]

03:33

What kind of checks can they run at all anyway? Dox people? Seems limited to that.

03:36

Namworld: I think that a starting point would be historicity

03:36

which is what the WoT provides

03:36

the person is a) known, b) trusted by some when trading / lending / borrowing / dealing, c) has been around for a while, d) has not absconded with funds in the history of their presence on the WoT

03:37

just a starting point, mind you

03:37

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.05051919 = 0.2526 BTC [-] {3}

03:39

this is how england worked, back when it was still a respectable country, up until the socialist revolution of the 80s. << lol if only margie t. heard you

03:42

<assbot> [00:33:43] BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker << kakobrekla you said you don't do assbot ad slots :D

03:42

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1000 @ 0.0003 = 0.3 BTC [+]

03:42

!mpif

03:42

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 BTC (Total: 434.10 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]

03:42

!jd mpif

03:42

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.51197619 BTC; +0.01696697 BTC (+0.0100%) since last check 7h 8m 41s ago.

03:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00085413 = 21.2678 BTC [-] {2}

03:43

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 359 @ 0.0003 = 0.1077 BTC [+]

03:47

%ticker

03:47

atcbot

[X-BT] Bid: 144 Ask: 270 Last Price: 273 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

03:47

fluffypony, the real world doesn't care about reality. You dox people and that's it.

03:48

You don't dig for dirt.

03:48

Namworld: but what does knowing their real identity do? they could have run all sorts of scams and just not (yet) been caught, they could have had out-of-court settlements and all sorts

03:49

or even worse - they could be 100% genuine and yet still be involved in completely baseless court action that someone has taken against them (pissed off ex-girlfriend or ex-employee or ex-business-partner)

03:50

If there's no criminal record, it's good enough. Notice I said the real world didn't care about REALITY.

03:51

So I'm well aware of those issues... but not everyone will run proper background checks.

03:53

yeah

04:02

http://www.coindesk.com/malaysian-online-retailer-accepts-bitcoin-wont-convert-fiat-currency/

04:02

Malaysian Online Retailer Accepts Bitcoin, Won't Convert to Fiat Currency

04:05

KILL THE MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER!

04:07

fluffypony: OMG going to get banned from Twitter nao!!!

04:07

I was just quoting Derek Zoolander - ban HIM from Twitter!

04:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00085243 = 9.8882 BTC [-] {2}

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04:29

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 468 @ 0.00203981 = 0.9546 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00085224 = 14.2324 BTC [-]

04:34

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00085718 = 15.6007 BTC [+]

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04:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27290 @ 0.00084992 = 23.1943 BTC [-] {2}

04:49

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527561/military-funds-brain-computer-interfaces-to-control-feelings/

04:49

DARPA Program Seeks to Use Brain Implants to Control Mental Illness | MIT Technology Review

04:50

here we go, govt-approved mental states

04:51

!up lamosty

04:51

!up xe4l

04:51

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb

04:51

Gay bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04:52

!up Evolyn

04:52

!up equex

04:52

!up Poffertje

04:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00084619 = 28.9397 BTC [-] {2}

04:52

!up deafboy

04:53

pankkake: i really hope these electrodes end up as ignobel candidates, too

05:06

I really hope the "mentally ill" group doesn't include the whole Earth population

05:09

they're already feeding a large chunk of the population with antidepressants

05:11

FabianB

kakobrekla: thanks, works great :)

05:14

I was more hinting about technology eventually reaching brain control chip level and the technology being applied to everyone. Because let's face it 1. The brain is mechanical 2. You can control just about any sort of machine given the time to develop the approriate tools 3. Someone at some point in time will try to get it installed on everyone for selfish purposes.

05:16

well, that's the next step

05:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5410 @ 0.0008472 = 4.5834 BTC [+]

05:20

Eh, misuse of new technologies for the purpose of enslavement is nothing new.

05:21

the brain is not "mechanical" in contemporary technology sense. it's wetware with myriads of interlocking electrochemical processes

05:24

Yes, I didn't mean mechanical in that fashion. More that chemical reactions are akin to machines. Although I guess it's not good practice to speak casually like that.

05:25

do we really have such machines? i don't think so

05:26

the technology of the demagogue is as old as dirt, who needs brain-controlling computars

05:27

even neural network simulators were found to have weakness - researchers were able to imperceptibly (to humans) change the samples which the neural networks miscategorized

05:28

punkman can post-traumatic depression be cured by demagogy?

05:29

I never said we were there yet. The brain is extremely complex. So many molecules of all kinds, complex structures.

05:29

jurov, I'd guess it can

05:31

Simulating/scanning a live one properly and actually controlling thoughts through simulations and predictions of inputs effects would probably require computing power and an amount of energy that just isn't realistically feasible for centuries.

05:33

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2022822

05:33

Tailspotting: Identifying and Profiting from CEO Vacation Trips by David Yermack :: SSRN

05:34

But given the time to get the tools to do it, it's not unrealistic. It falls under the current known laws of physics.

05:39

Unlike other things like wormholes and FTL through space compression, which are not yet falling within certain laws of physics and aren't thought to be likely. The conditions needed to make that happen are huge and uncertain.

05:39

well.. that's such positivist statment

05:40

tell me, what will mpoe trade for next month?

05:40

that falls under laws of physics, too :D

05:40

We'll probably have brain control chips before we can get outside the solar system, assuming we're not wiped out by some cataclysmic event first.

05:41

Well, I guess, but to predict that accurately, wouldn't I need to accurately simulate all brains in the world, including the Earth and all stellar input that affect those brains?

05:41

xmj

solar flares?

05:42

what if brain activity gets proven to be incomputable?

05:43

Which is even worse.... when it comes to finances, we have experience of what works and doesn't, what's good signs and doesn't, and guesstimating

05:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27477 @ 0.00085276 = 23.4313 BTC [+]

05:43

Well I'd be a bit surprised, but yes. That's always possible.

05:44

what's surprising?

05:44

even most 100-byte asm programs can't be determined whether they'll eventually finish and how

05:45

but hooray, let's simulate billions of neurons

05:45

brb

05:46

I have a working reddit brain simulator

05:46

It's a very small amount of matter compared to the universe. I'd assume we can refine technology close enough to simulate it accurately, or almost, given the resources out there.

05:46

it only ever outputs "lol" though

05:48

I'm sure if you could simulate the whole of the system running your 100-byte asm programs, you'd be able to determine when it would eventually finish.

05:48

It's really about simulating a complete system of interacting atoms.

05:52

But enough distant future hypothetical scenarios, it's not like it has any usefulness, other than maybe entertaining oneself.

05:52

It's 5:50 am, I need sleep, and I'm vastly out of topic for this channel I think, mostly rambling and talking to myself.

05:54

So goodnight everyone, I'll go before I spout out too much more nonsense.

06:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00084814 = 24.384 BTC [-]

06:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00084814 = 12.0436 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11775 @ 0.00084697 = 9.9731 BTC [-] {2}

06:30

kakobrekla

jurov just giving credit where the credit is due.

06:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00084931 = 20.893 BTC [+]

06:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34102 @ 0.00084653 = 28.8684 BTC [-] {2}

06:51

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 313 @ 0.0020495 = 0.6415 BTC [+]

06:52

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00084736 = 11.2699 BTC [+]

06:52

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07330217 = 0.1466 BTC [+] {2}

06:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00084609 = 17.7679 BTC [-] {2}

06:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1581 @ 0.00084605 = 1.3376 BTC [-] {2}

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07:12

;;seen Naphex

07:12

Naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 12 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <Naphex> o/

07:12

Naphex http://trilema.com/2012/piete-intreprinzatori-tehnologii-chestii/ << old skool :D

07:12

Piete, intreprinzatori, tehnologii, chestii. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

07:12

FabianB sent.

07:14

;;seen littlep1

07:14

littlep1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Littlep1> he sent me an email about the corporate failures list threatening to sue me

07:15

so was this a kinda lame attempt at social engineering or what.

07:16

Namworld: What kind of checks can they run at all anyway? Dox people? Seems limited to that. << if they don't know why are they pretending to be in business ? "oh, doctors should diagnose people not feed them random pills" "what diagnose can they do anyway"

07:19

jurov:

07:19

this is how england worked, back when it was still a respectable country, up until the socialist revolution of the 80s. << lol if only margie t. heard you << "During her premiership Thatcher had the second-lowest average approval rating, at 40 percent, of any post-war Prime Minister. "

07:19

let's not blame the wrong gal for people's brains turning to shit.

07:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.25001666 = 9.0006 BTC [+] {2}

07:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2454 = 0.7362 BTC [-] {2}

07:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.24500666 = 13.2304 BTC [-] {3}

07:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13258 @ 0.00084736 = 11.2343 BTC [+]

07:35

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00005499 = 0.2475 BTC [+]

07:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21815 @ 0.00084929 = 18.5273 BTC [+] {3}

07:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00085305 = 8.1893 BTC [+]

07:46

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 200 @ 0.01886788 = 3.7736 BTC [-] {25}

07:47

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00382684 = 0.3827 BTC [-] {3}

07:47

Namworld: fluffypony, the real world doesn't care about reality. << more like the reverse. reality doesn't care for whatever set you happen to have mislabeled as "the real world". probably a selection of terminally unemployable couch surfing webexperts.

07:48

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005033 = 0.5033 BTC [-] {7}

07:50

Apocalyptic

in other news, ATC price graphs from x-bt on http://atc.blockr.io/

07:50

hue hue hue

07:51

Namworld Because let's face it 1. The brain is mechanical << you know what else lets-face-it-is-mechanical ? the fucking atom.

07:51

or wait, notrly.

07:52

Apocalyptic nice1

07:52

hm

07:52

;;seen thickasthieves

07:52

thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> raccoons are like idiot cats

07:52

;;later tell ThickAsThieves <Apocalyptic> in other news, ATC price graphs from x-bt on http://atc.blockr.io/

07:52

The operation succeeded.

07:53

10 blocks in 25 minutes too, nuts.

07:53

%d

07:54

Apocalyptic

yeah unbalanced has rent some hashpower

07:54

jurov: punkman can post-traumatic depression be cured by demagogy? << yes if full specter. probably not if randomly limited.

07:55

!up joesmoe

07:55

test

07:55

awesome thanks man

07:55

lol ok i'll stfu with namworld's 1800s ideas about the brain, jurov handed him his ass pretty admirably :D

07:56

punkman: it only ever outputs "lol" though << must be only simulating the left brain

07:57

joesmoe did you want to say something ?

07:57

nah i just wanted to join in the convo

08:00

was more interested in the conversation you were having the other day about south america

08:00

but didn't get back until it was laready over.

08:02

well im sure there's going to be another

08:02

i was thinking about heading down there about 6 months ago before all the china stuff blrew up

08:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4508 @ 0.00085305 = 3.8455 BTC [+]

08:04

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/pyrenees-brown-bear-pyros-sexual-castration-segregation

wait how did china blow up ?

08:14

chetty

08:14

Alpha-male bear facing castration as sexual dominance threatens population | Environment | theguardian.com

08:17

haha hopefully the bears get food stamps next.

08:19

lol

08:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00085265 = 11.4255 BTC [-]

08:22

http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/plot/ this is kinda interesting stuff

08:22

analysis of the strong set in the PGP web of trust

08:23

(i am in the strong set. are you ?)

08:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00085158 = 5.9611 BTC [-]

08:35

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10135096/Kim-Dotcom-offers-5m-for-legal-help

08:35

Kim Dotcom offers $5m for legal help | Stuff.co.nz

08:36

but is it in bitcoin

08:37

"We are asking for information that proves unlawful or corrupt conduct by the US government, the New Zealand government, spy agencies, law enforcement and Hollywood"

08:37

but... i thought he already had it etc

08:40

how do you tell if you're in the strong set?

08:41

"The strong set is the largest set of keys such that for any two keys in the set, there is a path from one to the other."

↖

08:42

basically the wot here enforces strong setness by default

08:43

won't be in btc which is a shame

08:44

pankkake you're not in it. at least not with D9889CC0

08:44

7700BTC is a powerful incentive

08:45

if you're on the website, then you're on the strong set

08:45

I'm in it with other key(s) :)

08:45

neither is kako :D

08:45

pankkake prollybest link them then ?

08:49

neither is dub nor FabianB nor pigeons. but luke is http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=2FB7B452&TO=21F4889F&PATHS=trust+paths

08:49

PGP trust paths : Mircea Popescu -> Luke Dashjr

08:52

I'd rather not sign it, pankkake is an anonymous entity

08:52

oic.

08:52

perhaps I could let other anonymouses I met IRL sign me, but how do they check I am myself?!

08:52

(though my old key was signed by a person I've known for years)

08:53

and it is in the strong set. I guess I could get in there by signing the old key in the other direction

08:57

check this shit out, otherthan luke and peter todd, nobody in my bitcoin wot is in the pgp strong set

08:57

yer all a buncher newbs!

09:08

los_pantalones

mircea_popescu what's a strong set?

09:09

los_pantalones http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2014#709988

09:09

#bitcoin-assets log

09:13

los_pantalones

tyvm

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09:31

!up mdev

09:32

!up dR3

09:32

!up daybyter

09:32

!up lnostdal

09:36

dR3

thx jurov

09:38

dR3 you got your half hour of glory, speak up :)

09:38

kakobrekla

argle bargle im not a newb im just anon.

09:41

today is IPO, tomorrow is glory

09:42

lol

09:42

jurov what ipo is that ?

09:43

http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.LIMBS

09:43

MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

09:43

lol

09:43

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.0 also

09:43

Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people

09:44

lol k

09:44

lmao ok this is pretty great stuff

09:46

that was my favourite

09:46

I really enjoyed that

09:47

we still don;t know who these are ?

09:49

I already said I was proslimbs_inc

09:49

but nobody pays attention

09:54

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02500111 = 0.25 BTC [+]

09:54

daybyter

any java coder here interested in trading code?

09:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0735299 = 0.2206 BTC [+]

09:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14308 @ 0.00085265 = 12.1997 BTC [+]

10:00

kakobrekla a likely story :D

10:00

fluffypony arighjt right

10:01

pretty funny pony :D

10:01

<daybyter> any java coder here interested in trading code? << whoa just like the old days!

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10:21

hi

10:22

hey nubbins`. how's life.

10:22

FabianB

mircea_popescu: the file is encrypted for you, can you reencrypt it with my key?

10:22

not bad, backing up & wiping my iphone so i can send it in for replacement

10:23

so which of you has been leaving ;;later tells for "nubbins" and "nubbins`i"

10:23

;;notes

10:23

I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, benkay, bitcoingirl, cevidad, congrats, davout, Immukization, Immuzikkation, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, ryepdx, and ThickAsThieves.

10:23

;;notes nubbins

10:23

Sent 3 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, and 9 minutes ago: <jurov> chan clamors for -assets tshirt i recommend the disck surgery motive and Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 30 minutes ago: <bitcoinpete> i have a couple of the lealana physical coins (2x10, 2x25) but i'm having a hard time figuring out what they're worth. could you point me in the right direction?

10:23

;;notes nubbins`i

10:23

Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 30 minutes ago: <bitcoinpete> have a couple of the lealana physical coins (2x10, 2x25) but i'm having a hard time figuring out what they're worth. could you point me in the right direction?

10:23

o look

10:23

bitcoinpete is having a hard time figuring out a few things

10:24

;;later tell bitcoinpete you're on your own with physical litecoins :(

10:24

The operation succeeded.

10:24

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02033199 = 0.2033 BTC [+]

10:25

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02021315 = 0.2021 BTC [-]

10:26

;;seen thickasthieves

10:26

thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> raccoons are like idiot cats

10:26

with rabies

10:27

and sensitive hands

10:35

New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/09/stranger-in-a-strange-land/

10:35

xmj: around?

10:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.04405928 = 1.2777 BTC [-]

10:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38382 @ 0.00085314 = 32.7452 BTC [+] {2}

10:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00085362 = 7.1277 BTC [+] {2}

11:07

New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spoondoolies-tech-sp30-yukon-specifications-leaked-bitcoin-mining-taken-next-evolution/

11:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00085474 = 25.5995 BTC [+]

11:18

there is some nonsense in spoondoolies article, for example BeagleBoneBlack

11:18

why?

11:19

it doesn't have BB, there is an ARM chip embedded on the main board

11:19

fluffypony: around?

11:19

also it's funny to call a "leak" something that is published on their site in specs :)

11:19

well I'm trying to lose weight, but I suppose you could call me a round

11:22

Apocalyptic

<dignork> also it's funny to call a "leak" something that is published on their site in specs :) // gotta attract the audience

11:24

Apocalyptic: yep, probably it's a company PR anyway, just executed by someone clueless

11:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07200201 = 0.36 BTC [-]

11:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27760 @ 0.00085129 = 23.6318 BTC [-] {2}

11:38

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 56 @ 0.002 = 0.112 BTC {3}

11:43

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 150 @ 0.002 = 0.3 BTC

11:44

dunno jurov, every time i go to pull up coinbr...prostitutes.

11:45

so is the http://www.coindesk.com/details-spondoolies-tech-new-bitcoin-mining-asic-leaked-online/ claiming a leak of ASIC specs - hint: they where published on bitcointalk in april

11:45

Details of New Spondoolies-Tech Bitcoin Mining ASIC Leaked Online

11:46

benkay you tend to think the siren is a whore?

11:46

no man i swear there's something weird in the dns

11:46

all i get is whores

11:46

not bitcoins

11:46

it's a mystery

11:46

O.o

11:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27887 @ 0.00084992 = 23.7017 BTC [-] {2}

11:48

http://goo.gl/rQBclV

11:48

Madonna - Like a Prayer [Official Music Video] - YouTube

11:49

benkay: for me it resolves to 54.247.173.21, no whores, only siren. what am i doing wrong?

11:50

i'm just messing with you, jurov. i've never actually succeeded in piping hookers over the internet.

11:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07200031 = 0.216 BTC [-]

11:53

i succeeded making my boss to

11:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-]

11:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00085434 = 31.0125 BTC [+] {3}

11:53

i was explaining to him whatvV "wiki" is

11:53

he typed "viki" into google and automatically clicked first result

11:54

he got desktop changed into cunts and bookmarks and everything

11:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00084972 = 9.007 BTC [-]

11:54

"i'm feeling lucky" ftw

11:55

skimpy logs. mike_c i'm taking a page out of your book and reading berkshire letters over coffee...

11:56

3000 words, once per year. that's a pace i could sustain...

11:56

1965 - 76 aren't online, but the ebook is only $3.

11:56

somebody prolly has them posted somewhere if you look around.

11:57

all are worthwhile reading.

11:59

ebook stretches back to 1965?

11:59

yeah

11:59

interesting because the early years are him digging his way out of his first mistakes (buying a textile company)

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87444432 BTC to 8`764 shares, 21388 satoshi per share

12:01

kakobrekla

thats why its not on printed editions.

12:01

hehe. he's actually pretty good about beating himself up.

12:02

which is easier when you are the controlling shareholder.

12:03

http://www.rbcpa.com/web_letters/web_letters_pre_berkshireturnedoff.html

12:03

Warren Buffett Letters to Partners 1959 - 1969

12:04

interesting. those aren't the B/H letters, but those look good too.

12:04

"There are undoubtedly more mercurially-tempered people in the stock market now than for a good many years, and the duration of their stay will be limited to how long they think profits can be made quickly and effortlessly."

12:05

so those are the 'buffet partnership letters'

12:05

and not the 'berkshire hathaway letters'?

12:05

bah it pains me to give amazon money

12:06

i hate these four-hour-fuckers

12:06

yes. buffet partnership, ltd bought B/H in 65

12:06

build a real company

12:07

i'm calling it a business expense. the business buys all sorts of stupid fiat scams all the time.

12:07

hey mike you do dev work in the states - have you ever gone in for errors and omissions insurance?

12:08

mike_c:

12:08

i don't do contract work. i've got some other insurance covering me, D&O or something

12:12

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37445 @ 0.00084971 = 31.8174 BTC [-] {2}

12:18

!MPIF

12:18

!mpif

12:18

BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021703 BTC (Total: 434.06 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]

12:20

;;calc 17/1.3

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13.0769230769

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00084971 = 8.0298 BTC [-]

12:23

!jd mpif

12:23

Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.47920326 BTC; -0.03277293 BTC (-0.0192%) since last check 8h 41m 3s ago.

12:24

dat loss

12:27

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 56 @ 0.002 = 0.112 BTC {3} ← this tells everything. 3 transactions for 0.1 BTC

12:31

.foundation is a newly approved TLD

12:31

bitcoin.foundation already taken :(

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07200031 = 0.288 BTC [-]

12:32

grab altcoin.foundation. it'll be priceless.

12:33

mario kart 8 is too easy :(

12:33

not priceless, it costs ~20€ :p not counting the whois protections if available

12:33

lol

12:34

pankkake: whilst you're checking, is dogecoin.foundation available?

12:34

*cue evil laugh*

12:34

taken :(

12:34

as well as litecoin.foundation. fuckers

12:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.22299676 = 2.23 BTC [-] {8}

12:35

dammit

12:38

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.22 = 2.2 BTC [-]

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00230059 = 0.3451 BTC [-] {2}

12:44

try bitcoin.surgery

12:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0734995 = 0.735 BTC [+]

12:51

jurov lel

~ 17 minutes ~

13:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00085484 = 4.2742 BTC [+]

13:13

how do you recover data from an SSD with a failed microcontroller

13:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02383066 = 0.286 BTC [-] {2}

13:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00085096 = 29.5283 BTC [-] {2}

13:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21130 @ 0.00085484 = 18.0628 BTC [+]

13:19

Mats_cd03: you need someone that can do this with a replacement microcontroller - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html

13:19

ELM - Extreme Wiring on the Prototyping Board

13:20

what am i looking at

13:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2154 BTC [-]

13:22

soldering

13:25

http://www.coindesk.com/succeed-bitcoin-startup/ please rename coindesk to facedesk

13:25

How to Succeed With Your Bitcoin Startup

13:26

pankkake: have you seen the comment?

13:27

"Don't sell your soul to VC if you don't have to. Try community funding first.

13:27

I'm sure people would buy shares like crazy if you issue them as colored coins (if the idea is good)."

13:27

l.o.l.

13:27

my javascript blocking rules don't show comments there

13:27

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 81 @ 0.00198856 = 0.1611 BTC [+] {4}

13:27

"if the idea is good" oh god :(

13:29

new work shipped. http://survantjames.com/ , click "Tozny"

13:29

Survant James - Design & Engineering

13:30

mircea_popescu doesn't get to see it without js sorry boss

13:30

"our works" works, but not clicking on tozny. I don't see why that couldn't be possible

13:32

benkay: nice, looks pretty

13:34

clicking tozny worked for me

13:34

mike_c: where is this berkshire ebook?

13:35

http://www.amazon.com/Berkshire-Hathaway-Letters-Shareholders-Buffett/dp/1595910778

13:35

Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders, 2012: Warren Buffett, Max Olson: 9781595910776: Amazon.com: Books

13:36

I have an un-drmed azw3 for the interested. can be easily converted to epub

13:36

pankkake: it pops a modal. maybe one of the designers knows how to make it happen without js, but that's like 0.001% of potential clients.

13:36

dorp i didn't see the "kindle 3 dollars" button

13:36

it moves around a lot when i click the client boxes

13:36

pankkake: i'm interested.

13:37

why jerk up the 'our work' header?

13:37

what makes you qualified to audit cryptography

13:37

if you buy an ebook on amazon, you hate your freedoms :)

13:37

$3 for an ebook sounds like the right price to me.

13:37

paying $20 for an ebook means you hate freedom (and children)

13:38

and puppies

13:38

a format that works only with amazon's reader and comes with drm, that's an horrible combo

13:39

http://wikisend.com/download/960424/ first time I use the thing, tell me if it doesn't work

13:39

Wikisend: free file sharing service

13:39

idk, i'm not in the 'everything should be free' camp.

13:39

makes two of us

13:39

I buy stuff I can own

13:39

Mats_cd03: we found the stuff as what was wrong and unfucked it.

13:39

xmj xmj xmj xmj xmj xmj xmj

13:39

*

fluffypony kicks xmj in the balls

13:40

you can't own trilema pages. gotta rent them.

13:40

I can save them if I want to, and it's not trying to forbid it

13:40

that is true.

13:42

y'know, i think bitcoin has actually soured my opinion of the concept of an "idea"

13:42

we need the bandcamp of ebooks: no account needed, pay and get un-drmed ebook in the format of your choice

13:42

well, maybe soured isn't the word

13:42

but i look at it a different way now

13:42

the value of the letters has already been delivered in berkshire stock appreciation

13:42

people say

13:42

"i had an idea the other day"

13:42

this ebook thing is a vehicle for this startupper to make money on others work

13:42

and i'm automatically uninterested

13:42

i had an idea: buy a datacenter in argentina.

13:43

the letters are available for free, this is just a nicer packaging

13:43

they have data there?

13:43

also: they used an actual live jazz band for the music in mario kart 8

13:46

thanks pankkake seems good but haven't actually opened it yet

13:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.215 BTC [-]

13:59

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 105 @ 0.002 = 0.21 BTC

14:07

FabianB on it

14:08

mircea_popescu: not a working code yet, but might be a fancy extension to multibet: https://github.com/orisi/orisi/

14:08

orisi/orisi GitHub

14:09

dignork gotta take that up with kakobrekla

14:09

im onlyhere for the cookies

14:10

*bitbet, no idea what multibet is

14:10

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07200051 = 0.72 BTC [-]

14:16

dignork: what is it?

14:16

o dog, i know why the term looked familiar, mircea_popescu - forum cookies: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/xcp-ipo-announcement-dunnecapital-ltd-uk-bitcoin-exchange-and-a-casino.304299/

14:16

[XCP] IPO announcement. DunneCapital LTD - UK bitcoin exchange and a casino | Bitcointa.lk

14:16

jurov: he typed "viki" << i typed viki and nothing happened

14:16

SCAM

14:16

mike_c: the git thing?

14:16

yeah

14:17

it's partial implementation of "distributed oracle"

14:17

mircea_popescu: that was 7 or so years ago, google worked as advertised then

14:17

hehehe

14:18

anyway, the dunne thing, what about it dignork ? guy was briefly here about that time

14:18

so you have oracle bot that can be hacked/bribed w.e, but if you have multiple, it's assumed to be harder to do

14:18

dunne is a dev of multibet

14:18

"Second set of drafts coming through tomorrow. Seen a little preview, already looking very sharp. After that, we refine and then program. Looking good for the one month ETA"

14:18

he's also stuck in the wrong paradigm.

14:18

bitcoin isn't web"dev".

14:20

pankkake: as well as litecoin.foundation. fuckers << dude who the fuck cares.

14:20

mircea_popescu: they open sourced their current code in git, assuming free security reviews, stopped watchig after that

14:20

a decade back they introduced .ro, ie, for romania. i laughed at them then, i'm still laughi8ng at them

14:20

"o no but you must get a romania tld". why ?

14:20

dignork: but then you trusting the crowd of oracles to make the right decision. see rota for examples of that not working so well.

14:21

fluffypony: l.o.l. << don't do something merely stupid. do something spectacularly stupid instead!!! and don't even mention the actually sane alternative, that's gonna hurt your feelings so it doesn't exist.

14:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22119 @ 0.00085487 = 18.9089 BTC [+] {2}

14:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0236052 = 0.2361 BTC [-]

14:22

mike_c: i think it's possible to make a multisig fund, where each oracle op drops some funds, these funds are deal insurance, but I didn't think it through completely

14:23

say they'll be redemed in case of detacted fraud

14:23

it probably has good uses, but i wouldn't like bitbets decided by a vote.

14:23

*detected

14:23

i'm not worried about fraud, more like bad decisions.

14:23

mike_c: idk, i'm not in the 'everything should be free' camp. << but the camp is "nothing should be amazon"

14:24

I like Amazon for delivering physical items, they do it very well

14:24

nubbins`: y'know, i think bitcoin has actually soured my opinion of the concept of an "idea" << actual business experience in the company of actual business people has soured you on infantile bullcrap. neither bitcoin nor ideas particularly involved.

14:24

I think if bitbet provided an oracle service that might be handy for building things on, but I'm not about to trust some random dude's oracle

14:25

pankkake yeah. "nothing virtual shjould be amazon"

14:25

mike_c: maybe only subset of bets, which can be automatically verified, these bets are submitted without review, less work for bitbet op, more monies for turnover

14:25

punkman oracle service cost is unbound is the problem.

14:25

mircea_popescu: why?

14:25

what kind of bets can be automatically verified? do you trust the source not to fuck up?

14:26

;;ticker --avg

14:26

0

14:26

just an example

14:26

why is something not something else you ask me ?

14:26

in fact bitbet already provides an oracle service for free

14:26

because it isn't ?

14:26

maybe we don't mean the same thing by oracle then

14:27

how does your definition go ?

14:27

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 58 @ 0.002 = 0.116 BTC

14:28

pankkake: the oracle can work like : yes/no/idunnohumanplease

14:28

not the canonical one, more in the sense of these blockchain oracle constructions

14:28

ah

14:28

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0250013 = 0.125 BTC [+]

14:29

anyway why not charge a fee to sign transactions when X bet resolves

14:29

um

14:29

if there's interest, you can also provide answers to things that aren't worth betting on

14:29

what's that help ?

14:30

that's ok, question that aren';t worth betting on aren't worth answering.

14:30

and anyone can trivially be charged a fee for finding out when x bet resolves : he sends a bet to a virgin address

14:30

when btc makes it to that address the bet resolved.

14:36

;;later tell mircea_popescu a silly example, me and dignork both make a 1btc transaction to each other, but we can only spend them after the bitbet oracle signs the transaction

14:36

The operation succeeded.

14:39

this is not a new idea, this was an early implementation https://earlytemple.com:8181/

14:39

Early Temple

14:39

what I'm describing is more like escrow than oracle I guess

14:39

punkman maybe if you explained the usecase ?

14:40

I did a later tell

14:40

i got it. that's not really a usecase th

14:40

o

14:41

So where was I in my half-asleep/half-daydreaming hypothetical nonsense scenarios?

14:46

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 462 @ 0.00206048 = 0.9519 BTC [+]

14:46

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/us/couple-in-las-vegas-killings-embraced-anti-government-ideology.html

14:46

Log In - The New York Times

14:47

even assbot is paywall'd

14:48

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 98 @ 0.002 = 0.196 BTC

14:49

Hmm, another Havelock IPO...

14:49

"disliking the usg makes you a bad person"

14:50

"Our 28nm ASIC design architecture dubbed the “Creator” to be used at the foundry level allows for simultaneous production of the 1TH “Creator 1” Bitcoin ASIC, 256GH “Creator 2” Bitcoin ASIC and the 4MH “Creator 3” SCRYPT ASIC from the same wafer batch. This unique ability, and the lower costs associated with the FDSOI process, lends Provenance ASIC a competitive advantage

14:50

with regards to $/GH/W and unparalleled ASIC diversification with essentially three different ASIC products available from one production batch."

14:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7491 @ 0.00085491 = 6.4041 BTC [+]

14:51

Anyone that knows about the ASIC design process, how non-sensical is that statement?

14:53

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.025001 = 0.375 BTC [-]

14:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07200021 = 0.216 BTC [-]

14:55

Namworld: not entirely nonsensical. see the story of the intel 486 dx - and many subsequent chips

14:58

Eh

14:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00085517 = 37.1144 BTC [+] {2}

14:59

Namworld not bad, on paper.

15:00

In bitcoin: "A scam until proven innocent by a court of #bitcoin-assets"

15:00

course so far that's correlated moreover negatively over the history of bitcoin miner manufacturers

15:01

So sale pitches are improving in quality.

15:01

nevertheless, it's unclear to me what exact benefit would this be. if you can make 1 th asics, you can sell 1 th asics.

15:01

if you can make 1/4 th, you can idem sell those.

15:02

the advantage of making both "in the same batch" is quite unclear, not like you'd be stuck with batches of like, 3 full and 7 1/4s

15:02

as large as your batch can conceivably be, you'll sell it, either full or quarter.

15:02

!up hdbuck

15:03

mircea_popescu: advantage of making both in same batch -> you do it whether you want to or not. process yield.

15:03

at any rate, silicon on insulator, and especially on 28nm, is ANYTHING but low cost.

15:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.072998 = 0.219 BTC [+]

15:03

asciilifeform that too.

15:04

Namworld anyway, ask them if they use saphire or not. the answer will be informative.

15:09

Eheheh, I was looking at that part on wikipedia, reading up on FDSOI. Wondering what's the point of it if it's an expensive process.

15:10

mircea_popescu hello MP, thx for the voice up, i came here with the hope you could help me apprehend that blockchain size issue (& considering it is an issue). been reading tons of articles about that and people talks about 'industrial' supernodes and/or 'restructuring' Bitcoin.. cant make up my mind whether thats good or bad tho. any inputs? :)

15:10

Seems it has uses in compact electronics. For Bitcoin mining, you don't need compact performance, space is cheap.

15:11

Ah, I see the part about Sapphire. The answer would be informative indeed.

15:12

hdbuck: if you can't afford the space to store the blockchain, what are you doing in btc anyways?

15:12

hdbuck: there's also SPV, but I'm not entirely certain how that actually works.

15:12

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07176763 = 0.933 BTC [-] {2}

15:13

benkay its not my personnal storing that i am concerned with. i am just wondering if this issue wont harm bitcoin on the long run.

15:13

The blockchain ain't all that big yet...

15:16

saw pretty pessimistic articles about that matter regarding the long run of Bitcoin. plus those core devs seem not to have a clue about what's going to happen - so i figured.. you guys should know better! ^^

15:16

I have to admit, its annoying getting a fresh copy of the blockchain in a new client, even though I have the space, and I have 75Mbit internet, it still takes over 2 days.

15:16

hdbuck: how can you hurt bitcoin?

15:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00085606 = 40.3204 BTC [+] {2}

15:16

though I've never tried any of the bootstrap methods

15:16

it simply exists.

15:17

blockchain monotonically increases in size. this is a fact of reality.

15:18

Well assuming storage capacity keeps increasing at current rate, and that population growth is doubling much less often than computing capacity...

15:22

benkay : well, some argue that the more the blochain size increase, the less people would actually download it to use bitcoins. other also argue that it would give more power to supernodes, centralising bitcoin, which was something that bitcoin was suppose to oppose. or is it just the NSA and co that will run Bitcoin once it get too big? ^^

15:22

It might be a problem for a short while. Assuming we reach saturation of usage, it might grow almost linearly, at least compared to storage capacity growth. Even if population growth and associated usage is exponential, the exponent is much lower than storage growth.

15:23

<hdbuck> benkay : well, some argue that the more the blochain size increase, the less people would actually download it to use bitcoins // you're conflating "fewer people using btc" with "bad for btc". this has yet to be established.

15:23

I'm somewhat expecting the blockchain size to eventually become negligible.

15:25

The thing is current adoption rate is increasing much faster than storage capacity, so it's catching up and becoming large in today's standards.

15:27

benkay: ah i know you guys think of it as gold 2.0 which is not meant for the average joe to come around with but i am just not sure how this will all play out. :/

15:27

hdbuck: are you ignoring the SPV thing?

15:27

you don't need a blockchain to accept/send btc.

15:27

;;gettrust hdbuck

15:27

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=hdbuck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hdbuck | Rated since: never

15:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00085655 = 14.39 BTC [+] {2}

15:28

Blockchain is 18GB. It was 8 last year. We currently have not too expensive disk 4000GB hard disks.

15:28

i imagine you're just a random joe not in the web of trust, hdbuck ?

15:29

We will probably reach usage saturation and blockchain will grow too slowly compared to storage doubling in capacity much before blockchain doesn't fit in a single recent consumer grade drive.

15:30

some day you'll need an entire DC for the blockchain. what of it?

15:30

Yeah blockchain is big. But storage capacity and computing power is increasing very rapidely and exponentially. Much faster the the amount of worldwide transactions.

15:30

than the*

15:31

benkay, you would eventually need an entire DC assuming computer components stopped improving every year.

15:31

benkay: Nah, storage capacities are growing too fast and have too much of a head start. It will probably fit on a single hard drive for at least another decade. It's just... Parsing the block chain as a full node will probably require more thoroughput than a single drive offers.

15:32

benkay: ahah yes probably. im some humble average joe not very used to that WOT thing sry.. trying to learn tho ^^

15:33

wonder if anyone else has toyed with the idea of hardware purpose-built to store blockchain. think ssd, but write-only (antifuse! etc)

15:33

!up hdbuck

15:34

hdbuck: if you're serious about wanting to learn, start with gpg. get into the wot, get a rating, lurk or derp in here as you see fit.

15:34

standardize calendar sync. and snippet length - so if you own one, you will always know if it works - compare to another one for same time period

15:34

no crime in being wrong, i do it all the time. there's plenty of larnin' to go around.

15:34

I expect it to go like this -> adoption keeps going up fast, blockchain grows faster and faster, people get worried, we reach saturation of usage, blockchain growth starts looking linear, storage capacity keeps doubling every few years, people stop worrying.

15:34

seems like this is a solved problem with SPV

15:35

i'm highlighting that in a worst case scenario it's not a problem and also as Mats_cd03 and i have and keep pointing out - not a problem to begin with even.

15:35

Blockchain keeps fitting on a single drive as long as it's regularly upgraded to a recent one and start looking smaller and smaller.

15:35

('cause SPV).

15:35

storing bits that never need to flip again ought to be technologically simpler - on basic physical level - than the normal kind.

15:35

asciilifeform: I've put some though into it.

15:35

benkay: alright, thanks man - i'll check MP's guide. :)

15:36

failing that, you can use a btc addr as well.

15:36

one basic function in such a gadget is that it ought to be able to compare itself, via direct electrical wiring, to another one purporting to be identical.

15:37

it seems like the world desperately needs a well documented SPV client

15:38

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49450 @ 0.00085709 = 42.3831 BTC [+] {3}

15:38

Mats_cd03: Good place to start would be forking an older version of Multibit and BitcoinJ watching out for slop

15:39

i like where the project bit-c is right now

15:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0184074 = 0.1289 BTC [-]

15:46

What's bit-c?

15:46

http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/2014/06/09/the-boring-bitcoin-report-june-9/ Ms Boring forgot to make the distinction between the two Erik ventures

15:46

The Boring Bitcoin Report: June 9 - Forbes

15:47

Mats_cd03: Bit-c looks like it is headed somewhere nice, but it's useful to compare how all of these things are approaching the SPV problem

15:51

;;later tell bitcoingirl honey you gotta do better than that. voorhees got in trouble for feedzebirds and not satoshidice - mostly 'cause DICE was listed on the SRO MPEx.

15:51

The operation succeeded.

15:53

If he got in trouble for dice, the settlement would have been much larger.

15:53

^

15:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30421 @ 0.00085494 = 26.0081 BTC [-]

15:55

i'm slowly adding features to it

15:55

will commit when ready

15:57

er, i guess its push instead of commit

16:02

no get it right you issue a "pull request"

16:02

sheesh

16:02

and it's not git it's gitHUB

16:02

WHOA WHOA WHOA

16:02

benkay i pointed her to bingo§s article, and later told that explicitly, looks like she could not be helped

16:02

mah nigga

16:03

smickles !!!!!!!!

16:03

ME!!!!!!!

16:03

the little one must be walking by now

16:03

indeed

16:03

haha. my how time flies

16:04

and climbing

16:04

I have taken over the bitcoin corp in eve

16:04

Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0PXEZYD.txt )

16:04

!b 1

16:04

XD

16:05

lol, what did that do benkay ?

16:06

http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com

16:06

#bitcoin-assets bash

16:06

so my statement about 1Bitcoin is noteworthy :)

16:07

TomServo

Was this a hostile takeover? :D

16:07

you have the time for eve???

16:07

It was not so fun as a hostile takeover

16:08

have you pillaged all of the space ships and raped all of the women

16:08

I have found time for the less attention intensive aspects of the game

16:09

there isn't really a woman raping game mechanic

16:09

I could buy exotic dancers or prostitutes and jetison them into space.

16:09

http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=146 << repent, sinner!

16:09

#bitcoin-assets bash

16:09

that's about as close as it gets

16:10

@smickles hahaha

16:12

!up ninjashogun

16:12

look who i found

16:12

or found me, i guess

16:13

Oh noes!!!

16:13

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2349997 BTC [+]

16:15

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 27 @ 0.02599959 = 0.702 BTC [+] {2}

16:16

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31028 @ 0.00085628 = 26.5687 BTC [+] {3}

16:16

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02599989 = 0.26 BTC [+]

16:17

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.072998 = 0.511 BTC [+]

16:18

bitstein

The appcoin fraudsters attempt to defend themselves: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-value-of-app-coins

16:18

The Value of App Coins | Lets Talk Bitcoin

16:18

http://twitchy.com/2014/06/09/rape-culture-wins-feminist-freakout-after-miss-nevada-dares-suggest-self-defense-training-for-women/

16:18

‘Rape culture wins’: Feminist freakout after Miss Nevada dares suggest self defense training for women | Twitchy

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2349997 = 0.705 BTC [+]

16:19

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.072998 = 0.511 BTC [+]

16:21

i don't think i've knowingly encountered a society of rapists

16:24

ThickAsThieves

oh, but those times you weren't aware!

16:26

feminists have again come full circle: attacking a beauty queen for insuffiently supporting patriarchy

16:27

ThickAsThieves

where does one learn to rape?

16:27

ThickAsThieves

because they really need to stop teaching it

16:28

ThickAsThieves: agreed

16:28

they should shut down Rape Schools across the country

16:28

and fire those Rape Teachers

16:28

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 220 @ 0.002 = 0.44 BTC

16:29

princessnell: wat

16:30

%book

16:30

atcbot

40k@278 28k@277 2k@270 | 4k@144 50k@143 175k@142

16:30

dub saying "men are responsible for women's safety" is a patriarchal notion

16:32

so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half?

16:32

are you asking me my opinion?

16:33

no need

16:34

women dont need to rely on men not to be rapists!

16:34

dude 32 gb ram is pretty cool

16:34

hdbuck what you mean specifically ?

16:34

!up hdbuck

16:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50474 @ 0.00085762 = 43.2875 BTC [+]

16:35

how goes nellie ?

16:36

good! just finished an article for tomorrow. how are you? still on your rainbow tour?

16:36

diametric: I have to admit, its annoying getting a fresh copy of the blockchain in a new client, even though I have the space, and I have 75Mbit internet, it still takes over 2 days. << i keep a master copy like the holy fucking scriptures. which is what it is anyway

16:36

princessnell nah, settled down.

16:37

mircea_popescu: thats probably a good idea to start doing. perhaps keep it on a usb stick on my keys or something, gets updated when i plug it in.

16:38

hdbuck: benkay : well, some argue that the more the blochain size increase, the less people would actually download it to use bitcoins. other also argue that it would give more power to supernodes, centralising bitcoin, which was something that bitcoin was suppose to oppose. >> bitcoin was never intended for "people" in the sense of reddit derps, and bitcoin was never intended to oppose centralism. it was intended to

16:38

oppose the ~wrong~ sort of centralism, ie, centralism in the hands of the more or less representative, more or less elected representatives of "people" as in, reddit derps.

16:38

instead, bitcoin favours centralism in the hands of unelected and unaccountable, unrepresentative lords.

16:38

mircea_popescu hey man, hum its just i was kinda concerned with supernodes and the people that will run them once the BC's size would be too big for the average person to handle.

16:38

as the world and everything else was meant to work in the first place.

16:39

mircea_popescu: one day, people will encode checkpoint hashes of blockchain as human poetry.

16:39

asciilifeform likely.

16:40

bitstein

"Centralization" is a vapid term without a sound theory of monopoly and competition.

16:42

mircea_popescu right vs wrong centralism is what my article tomorrow is about. but as you know i am a gentle touch.

16:42

mircea_popescu i get your point, but i aint seing Bitcoin being rightfully centralised ATM.

16:42

hbduck look around!

16:43

princessnell we can't all bne assholes

16:43

hdbuck well what makes you think you have any sort of a vantage point ?

16:44

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 23 @ 0.02500104 = 0.575 BTC [-] {3}

16:44

Namworld says " Assuming we reach saturation of usage", I read " Assuming we reach saturation of usagi" and i'm all like "wtf is he on about, i'm all saturated"

16:45

mircea_popescu hum i dont, just wondering here and there.. looking for answers :)

16:45

benkay: you don't need a blockchain to accept/send btc. << not to mention the coinbr thing. he really doesn't need the blockchain at all.

16:45

hdbuck dun take it too personally.

16:46

What the hell? That's one hell of a misread.

16:46

diametric> mircea_popescu: thats probably a good idea to start doing. perhaps keep it on a usb stick on my keys or something, gets updated when i plug it in. << or on a 4 redundant raid array, under concrete.

16:46

just one letter, nimworld :D

16:46

just talking about the blockchain, not my keys.

16:46

oh my, is usagi still a thing?

16:46

diametric yea i know.

16:47

Not as in far off, but as in really weird result.

16:47

it's the fucking scriptures you understand, if we all manage to lose the chain at the same time we're fucked.

16:47

mircea_popescu im not taking anything personnally, i really appreciate your inputs man.. the average propaganda almost got me with their Carebears and unicorns. i'd rather being insulted for my stupidity than thrown a lollipop in my mouth ^^

16:47

a sugar frosted shittypop

16:47

to deliberately torment the btc-is-eeekvality crowd: WORM storage gizmo suggested as gedankenexperiment earlier could easily accept updates signed with hardcoded key from liege-lord

16:47

smickles definitely.

16:48

where was that link to recent derpage again...

16:48

gib it to me fluffypony

16:48

which derpage?

16:48

even if all but a few lost the chain, i would be very suspicious of that few

16:49

smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7070591#msg7070591

16:49

BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]

16:49

smickles: make sure you watch the video

16:49

fluffypony you gibt it to me in the past :D

16:49

*

fluffypony gives it to mircea_popescu all night long

16:49

if all but a few lost the chain << no problem if we have... singable checkpoint hashes.

16:49

i guess i kinda walked right into that big cock...

16:49

LOL

16:50

asciilifeform zooko triangle issue tho

16:50

if they're singable they're prolly preimageable too

16:51

giving a thread title with [UnModerated] in it is like telling someone they are free

16:51

benkay: i'm highlighting that in a worst case scenario it's not a problem and also as Mats_cd03 and i have and keep pointing out - not a problem to begin with even. << what happens to you once gb blocks ?

16:51

how many times i see zooko triangle brought up as if it were physical law.

16:52

smickles he had a moderated one

16:52

asciilifeform i fear it is.

16:52

moar like riemann hypothesis.

16:53

smickles: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629755.0

16:53

BMF has lost access to its wallet

16:53

moderated thread

16:53

http://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=629755.0

16:53

BMF has lost access to it's wallet | Bitcointa.lk

16:53

including deleted threads

16:53

mircea_popescu: if i recall - szabo disagreed

16:53

he did.

16:54

asciilifeform: storing bits that never need to flip again ought to be technologically simpler - on basic physical level - than the normal kind. << this is a good point, and i imagine within the decade we will have special blockchain ssds being made.

16:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.235 BTC [+]

16:55

re: pgp keysigning party

16:55

mircea_popescu: just gotta bring back antifuse. it doesnt really get much simpler than antifuse.

16:55

PGP WoT...?

16:56

nubbins` yes

16:56

asciilifeform yes

16:56

of what use is this wot!

16:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.235 BTC [+]

16:56

nubbins`: it's a Web of PGP Signing Parties

16:56

no, i get what a WoT is

16:56

f2fs would be a good candidate for blockchain storage. anyway, I'm in the "block size won't go up that much, things will happen offchain" camp

16:56

just wondering what possible benefit could be gained by being represented in the "pgp wot" mentioned in article

16:57

nubbins` it strengthens the quality of debian's signatures for instance.

16:57

i see

16:57

mircea_popescu: i do confess that at one point i toyed with the idea of rom-like storage on consumer 35 (or 16)mm film.

16:57

so you know you have the right sig. prevents mitm, because it's hard to mitm real life

16:57

pankkake: once we all sign up for circle we won't need the blockchain.

16:57

BingoBoingo: Ms Boring forgot to make the distinction between the two Erik ventures << yeah not particularly inspiring.

16:57

eheh

16:58

s/right sig/right key/

16:58

mircea_popescu: film lasts a good while, easy to copy and compare via low tech means

16:58

nubbins` it's more one of those "let's inject some power into otherwise worthy projects geeks had been dilligently holding afloat with a cuttingboard and a spatula over 30 years"

16:58

asciilifeform film lasts much less than you imagine.

16:59

I'm failing to see the value in this usagi crap and i didn't notice a video. I'm going to clean some dishes, easily worth more than reading about usagi

16:59

if you mean silver coloidal, it's utter shit. read up some time on the trouble hollywood has archiving, what itcosts,

16:59

how many were destroyed just to get rid of them

16:59

etc

16:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41492 @ 0.00085668 = 35.5454 BTC [-] {2}

16:59

film gets very unstable with time too

16:59

smickles wellyou asked. the value is lulz

16:59

great way to burn a house down

16:59

nubbins` that's the old nitro stuff. modern film no lonmger has the problem

16:59

mircea_popescu: yes, it decays. but this is why the young apprentice must copy film he inherits, etc. [insert post-apocalyptic hypotheticals]

17:00

ahhhh

17:00

grandfather was a war photographer, he lost boxes of negs

17:00

nubbins` i know people who go into seizures just fgrom the smell

17:00

yipes

17:00

just skip the nitrocellulose, none of this problem then

17:00

(there's this very distinctive vinegary scent of "o shit we just lost this warehousefull")

17:00

heh

17:01

sorta like the smell of "we burned down 5000 hard drives. hopefully ALL th customers kept good backups

17:01

tech eyes just glaze over and stress vomiting ensues.

17:01

!up terp_

17:01

terp_

hey whats up all

17:01

very few things store as much (relatively) high fidelity data, and are at the same time as easy to duplicate, as film.

17:02

asciilifeform actually a cd stores more/better, but

17:02

there were some people looking into crystal doping storage

17:02

but bit rot isn't always noticeable until too late

17:02

seemed insanely info-dense

17:02

and while a few speckles on a microfiche aren't a problem, a few speckles on a dvd are

17:02

one write only, of course.

17:03

nubbins` well if you've microstored the blockchain, they are, yes.

17:03

a ha!

17:03

http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/ claims "average annual durability of 99.999999999%"

17:03

AWS | Amazon Glacier - Online Backup Services & Cloud Backup Solutions

17:03

error coding is a trivial problem - to any desired degree of redundancy

17:04

$0.01 per GB-month (although retrieval apparently is more expensive)

17:04

mthreat i don't recall, what's theirtotal data store ? yotabytes ?

17:05

if you want something your grandchildren might be able to copy, even if they cannot read - chemical photography. - that, or ink...

17:05

no idea, without googling

17:05

bigger than the blockchain

17:05

smickles: I have taken over the bitcoin corp in eve << how much shit was in the hangars in the end ?

17:05

mthreat well that for sure lol. fucking trilema is bigger than the blockchain

17:06

the melanogaster genome is bigger than the blockchain

17:06

the average redditor's porn stash is bigger than the blockchain

17:06

these nuts are bigger than the blockchain

17:06

i could keep going

17:07

someone should tell usagi about that service

17:07

the nutpacking service ?

17:07

glacier is basically powered down hard drives. cheaper if you don't mind the high latency

17:08

so am i right in assuming the only career worthy of a man named brandon billings is... bill collection ?

17:10

Well, it's always nice when you see someone with a last name befitting their career, at least.

17:10

princessnell: feminists have again come full circle: attacking a beauty queen for insuffiently supporting patriarchy << they're spinnin' so fast they could be weaving wool.

17:11

dub: so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? << yes.

17:11

in general, whenever one wants to deal with the world on one's own terms, one's required to take aditional training, and ALSO be talented.

17:11

otherwise, one can just learn to enjoy the process.

17:12

chetty

<mircea_popescu> dub: so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? << yes.// I doubt it works out to halves

17:12

this has nothing to do with women. when i don't want to be treated like a fucking retarded tourist and charged 2 to 5 x everything, i learn and use the fucking local language.

17:12

when i don't want to be shocked by the mains power, i learn which bits to put my hands on.

17:12

when i want to make tea rather than coffee, i acquire the skill of putting the righjt fucking thing in the pot.

17:13

it has exactly zero to do with women specifically, and the whiny pretense to the contrary has only one indicaiton :

17:13

rape.

17:15

learn which bits to put my hands on << i find this - in essence - to be the most handy test of who is worth dealing with as human vs meat

17:15

;;google the camel has two humps

17:15

The camel has two humps (working title) - tof: <http://wiki.t-o-f.info/uploads/EDM4600/The%20camel%20has%20two%20humps.pdf>; The camel has two humps (working title) - University of Kent: <https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/dept_info/seminars/2005_06/paper1.pdf>; Alan Kay on 'The Camel has Two Humps' - secretGeek: <http://secretgeek.net/camel_kay.asp>

17:16

related aside: i got charged 2 to 3x for everything in romania and still felt like i was getting a deal

17:16

mike_c were you ? like what ?

17:17

like at local convience store at 3am

17:17

yeabut i mean what you buy and what'd you pay

17:18

hmm.. what i paid would tax the memory. but just like drinks and stuff.

17:18

was kinda curious what the actual factor was :p

17:18

http://ronja.twibright.com/optar/ can store 200kB/page..means 100k pages for today's blockchain

17:18

Twibright Optar

17:18

but i distinctly remember comparing what i got charged to some of the posted prices in the store and realizing (and not minding) that he was bending me over.

17:18

a ok then lol

17:18

you should see the prices here.

17:19

carton of ciggaretes ? $19

17:19

and actually good camels, as opposed to the fire-retardant, chemical blend crap they sell in the us/eu to justify the theory that smoking causes cancer

17:19

taste decent? i know this guy that gets dirt cheap smokes in canada and they taste like you're smoking somebody else's cigarette after they were done with it.

17:19

taxis in buenos aires are often cheaper than a bus ride in the US

17:19

smoking TOBACCO doesn't do you in quite as drastically as smoking contemporary ciggaretts

17:21

I wonder if sfter death my lungs will find themselves better preserved than my bones

17:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00085486 = 31.6726 BTC [-] {2}

17:22

lol they will find lung and liver fossilies, bones long gone?

17:22

I wish I could know the answer to that

17:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00085445 = 4.1014 BTC [-] {2}

17:24

http://ronja.twibright.com << also interesting

17:24

Home

17:24

<mircea_popescu> benkay: you don't need a blockchain to accept/send btc. << not to mention the coinbr thing. he really doesn't need the blockchain at all. // coinbr requires btc addr to sign up i b'leev

17:25

btc signatures don't need blockchain either

17:26

<mircea_popescu> benkay: i'm highlighting that in a worst case scenario it's not a problem and also as Mats_cd03 and i have and keep pointing out - not a problem to begin with even. << what happens to you once gb blocks ? // let me know when it's realistic.

17:27

it's not like everything must be stuffed into btc blockchain, we already have altcoins

17:28

whatever happened with that side chains circlejerk that was going around not long ago?

17:28

second article i read recently of "death by sexism" http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/09/las-vegas-police-shot/10223527/

17:28

Police release details of murderous Las Vegas rampage

17:29

diametric: The people who supposed them and the people capable of making them were not the same groups of people I imagine.

17:29

"Wilcox walked past Amanda Miller and confronted her husband. Amanda Miller then fatally shot Wilcox"

17:29

ARCHAEOLOGISTS RECOVERED FABLED GENESIS BLOCK FROM GLASS DISC ACCOMPANIED BY LIVER ABD LUNG FOSSILS

17:30

;;google crank bait orlov

17:30

ClubOrlov: The Rationale behind the Boston Psy-ops: <http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rationale-behind-boston-psy-ops.html>; JOURNAL: Dmitry Orlov on Collapse - Global Guerrillas: <http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/11/journal-dmitry-orlov-on-collapse.html>; Mario's Fresh Bait - Geelong, VIC - Shopping & Retail | Facebook: (1 more message)

17:36

You know what would be the interesting desk accessory for bitcoiners, a Lucite genesis block, block. For use as a paperweight or bludgeon or whatever.

17:44

yup. want it.

17:44

but embedded in a sceptre

17:44

and probably made of something hard and valuable.

17:44

maybe even poky.

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00005495 = 0.2748 BTC [+] {2}

17:47

sceptre? didn't know you're so theatrically inclined

17:47

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2319 @ 0.00005499 = 0.1275 BTC [+]

17:47

[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00206055 = 0.2061 BTC [+]

17:47

benkay is a queen

17:48

har har

17:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085554 = 2.7377 BTC [+]

17:48

or a goat

17:52

or a SUPERNODDDDDDDE

17:53

in a sauna.

17:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18848 @ 0.00085622 = 16.138 BTC [+]

18:07

nubbins`: too easy against cpu or online play? i've got to buy a pro wii controller as the gamepad gives me rsi with mk8

18:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16902 @ 0.00085622 = 14.4718 BTC [+]

18:09

*

nubbins` sighs

18:09

i just dented the floor with my keys :/

~ 18 minutes ~

18:28

;;ident gabriela

18:28

Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

18:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00085622 = 9.7609 BTC [+]

18:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9948 @ 0.00085745 = 8.5299 BTC [+]

18:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00085766 = 36.7078 BTC [+] {2}

18:37

!ticker m F.MPIF

18:37

[MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021548 / 0.00021603 / 0.00021725 (14601 shares, 3.15 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (124310 shares, 26.99 BTC)

18:37

moopmoop

18:38

lol. this site wants to make sure i am using: Mozilla® Firefox® 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 19 or 25

18:38

so only insecure unmainted versions?!

18:38

that v14 must have been a killer

18:39

cryptome dead?

18:39

24's still supported, 25 isn't

18:39

nice

18:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00085745 = 9.5606 BTC [-]

18:40

That's unsettleing

18:41

24's rollin' dubs

18:44

speaking of the blockchain storage discussion from earlier - anyone remember 'ArVid' ?

18:45

;;google ArVid backup

18:45

ArVid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArVid>; Using Video Recorders for Backup - Stuart Cheshire: <http://stuartcheshire.org/rants/VideoBackup.html>; Arvid Gerstmann - Android Apps on Google Play: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Arvid+Gerstmann>

18:46

current blockchain would easily fit on ~10 vhs tapes.

18:46

blockchain is more or less an ideal application for tape (and any other non-randomaccess medium)

18:47

yeah, there you go. classic storage device for non-flippin bits.

18:48

tape backup drives are reasonably fast too.

18:48

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC

18:51

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0241769 = 0.1692 BTC [+]

18:52

the NYPD commissioner looks like he'll eat your children for breakfast

18:52

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-nypd-still-wont-explain-its-drone-plans

18:52

The NYPD Still Won't Explain Its Drone Plans | Motherboard

18:53

bitbiz: ship blockchains on hdd's

18:53

tapes are $20 / TB. can't beat that with a stick.

18:57

william bratton?

18:58

he doesn't look half as scary as ray kelly did.

18:59

broken windows my ass

19:08

*

dub wont mention what he's been doing this morning

19:08

fluffypony: linked from same: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-graffiti-drone-an-interview-with-katsu

19:08

The Drone That Will Change Graffiti: An Interview with KATSU | Motherboard

19:09

^ robotic graffiti isn't new; i vaguely recall a 'printer van' with eight spray cans that spat out text as it went, circa '04

19:10

I recall seeing a paintball dot matrix printer in some promo

19:13

one might imagine that eventually graffiti folks will play 'paintball' with supposedly-unpaintable symbols of usg dominance

19:14

*

asciilifeform pictures the inevitable solar-powered automatic vandalizer controlled via blockchain...

19:14

lola

19:14

yeah

19:16

works best with the (hypothetical) north korean blockchain shortwave repeater.

19:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00085781 = 35.9422 BTC [+] {2}

19:17

mike_c yeah, they taste like the 80s

19:18

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00085631 = 29.714 BTC [-] {2}

19:21

jurov: lol they will find lung and liver fossilies, bones long gone? << this is likely lol

19:22

asciilifeform, dub: almost needless to point out by now, but the buenos aires public wall paintings are better than anything the NYC scene has cranked out since...forever.

19:22

"everything is better in argentinga"

19:22

*argentina

19:22

gold tongue!

19:22

no wait silvertongue

19:23

;;google argentina sparkletina

19:23

sparkletina - Yahoo Answers: <https://answers.yahoo.com/activity?show=KWGBHWRCDPYNIHJ42B5LQ3VGI4&t=g>; I need help creating a livingroom with a masculine flair like an ...: <https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061028054928AACOmEw>

19:23

btw, "coinbr requires btc addr to sign up i b'leev" << so what if it does ? once you're in you can trade with anyone else in.

19:23

yeah, jurov pointed out that it's not actually dependent on the bc

19:24

although i haven't found the signing functionality in bitc yet - mebbe Mats_cd03 makes that happen

19:24

<benkay> asciilifeform, dub: almost needless to point out by now, but the buenos aires public wall paintings are better than anything the NYC scene has cranked out since...forever. << this is true.

19:24

and women actually paint walls here, which is refreshing.

19:25

the us "scene" is like greenspun's ciclid association. all dorks.

19:25

the negros were pretty hxc back in the day, non?

19:25

but women ?

19:26

'sparkletina' is apparently a 'key word' used by various u.s. (?) folks who wish they could move there

19:26

benkay " let me know when it's realistic." << let me explain realistic. if there's 4k txn a second, which weigh a conservative 512 bytes each, at 512 seconds per block you get...

19:26

(google fails again)

19:26

;;calc 512 * 512 * 4000

19:26

1048576000

19:27

surprise surprise, our friend mr 1gb block.

19:27

now, 4k txn / second is nothing if you srsly aspire to be visa.

19:27

so this implies a rather hard fork.

19:28

i thought blockchain only aspires to be 'good delivery brick' vs. visa

19:28

and weren't you just harping on the upsides to a size-constrained block? more competition for limited resources?

19:28

it just implies "accessibility" is about as dumb a thing to think about re bitcoin as you know, speeding tickets for snails.

19:28

betcha they'd invent speeding ticket if they could.

19:28

we really don't want, need or could use more poorfags/stupidfags involved

19:29

'yer doing 5mm/sec in a 4mm zone'

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admitting against all evidence that there even exists a distinmction between stupid and poor.

19:29

asciilifeform lol.

19:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61500 @ 0.00085705 = 52.7086 BTC [+] {3}

19:37

so i just did a round of solid shopping.

19:37

gonna paste the list in here, anyone's welcome to guess either us, romania or buenos aires prices for the lot

19:37

then in an hour or so i tell teh truth.

19:37

here goes :

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lb ground beef, 2lb nice beef steak, 6lb fresh ripe pineaple, half lb fresh figs, lb plums,1.5lb masdaam, swiss, smoked local cheese, lb cold cuts/fungs sausage,lb spinach, salad, 2lb ripe tomatoes, 1/2lb mushrooms, lb red peppers,4 ears young corn,2 artichokes,100g dry shitake,100g maraschino cherries, lb chickpeas,14oz heinz ketchup, half lb exceptionally grandiose aceitunas verdes, imported dijon 210g, cabfare 15kms

19:37

round trip.

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~300 usd (if bought here.)

19:39

~400 if you want actual (vs. synthetic) foods.

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o it's all actual

19:40

you should see this pineaple.

19:44

Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes.

19:46

300 USD? Sounds a bit too high. Even for Canada/US

19:47

mike_c: tapes are $20 / TB. can't beat that with a stick. << quite true.

19:47

i could only guess at the cab ride. i'm a better cook than benkay but that's about it.

19:48

the blockchain is a bettercook than benkay

19:48

Well 15km would be what, around 30 USD? Round-trip, 60USD?

19:48

no, 15km is the whole round trip. market is like 5ish miles away

19:49

cab fare around 150 pesos, unless stuck in lots of traffic

19:49

this nice, farmer's market thing

19:49

mthreat you prolly know progreso

19:50

not by name.. where's that one?

19:50

;;google Mercado del Progreso

19:50

Mercado del Progreso | WhatsUpBuenosAires: <http://www.whatsupbuenosaires.com/news/Mercado_del_Progreso>; Mercado del Progreso – Buenos Aires, Argentina | publicmarkets.com: <http://publicmarkets.com/mercado-del-progreso/>; Caballito, Buenos Aires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caballito,_Buenos_Aires>

19:50

ok, then... I'd put cost closer to 150-180 USD then...

19:50

Namworld where that, in quebec ?

19:51

ignoring the question of whether these things ('as printed on the crate', rather than doctored substitutes) can even be had in usa.

19:51

asciilifeform well, the heinz is a direct import.

19:51

worchestershire (known here as "salsa inglesa") they were out of

19:52

Well yes, I suppose. Canada/US should have similar prices all around. Although certain products will vary by region.

19:52

the notion that the us has the same prices all around boggles my mind.

19:52

all around kansas orwhat ?!

19:54

"This white paper seeks to put forth the economic and technical reasons that the digital tokens known as AppCoins can develop a value in the market and maintain their value over the long term, should their associated application gain adoption by users. "

19:54

summary "hello i would like to be indicted"

19:54

They don't, but assuming a large amount of varied goods, probably rarely more difference than 10%-15% for the same stuff.

19:55

Barring shopping at a place with higher quality products. The outlets would need to be similar in both place.

19:55

i guess you've never lived in san diego, manhattan, downtown dc etc.

19:56

but this is the highest quality products baby :)

19:56

the outlets can't be similar, because podunk doesn't have jewish delis.

19:57

on data Andrew Auernheimer

19:57

Hmm, I guess I should consider that. Downtown locations will be more expensive...

19:57

dat*

19:58

and speaking of jewish deli, you should have seen this butcher get the steak off the bone.

19:58

an artist, this man.

19:59

at it for 39 years, he said when asked. "and after that long time, you'd better be good at it or else you'd better had quit long ago"

19:59

;;google just lather that's all

19:59

Just Lather, That's All: <http://www2.ups.edu/faculty/velez/LAS100/tellez.htm>; Tellez, Just Lather, That's All: <http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ston0235/3302/readings/tellez.pdf>; Just Lather, That's All - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6x-7WXbBH4>

19:59

wise words

19:59

heh, you better be good at it or you won't have any fingers left

19:59

^ for some reason i always think of that piece when imagining Ar

20:00

;;calc 20000 * 365

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7300000

20:00

mike_c he held the thing by the fucking blade, too. a 12 inch knife sharp enough to slice beef on touch

20:00

Well I'd sure like to know romania prices

20:04

So... do we get to know the total cost?

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heh, pansy barber.

20:08

Namworld yeah, soon enough

20:08

!up PeterGriffin

20:08

Namworld: What, and let the people who death ray'd his new MOBO death ray the Pineapples!!!

20:08

what up moither fuckers

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4952 @ 0.00085612 = 4.2395 BTC [-]

20:09

PeterGriffin and who might you be?

20:09

god hates you if your not the non elect

20:10

;;ticker

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Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.26, Best ask: 648.86, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 648.86, 24 hour volume: 6803.40421945, 24 hour low: 639.93, 24 hour high: 659.0, 24 hour vwap: 0

20:10

BingoBoingo... what?

20:10

;;help

20:10

The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/

20:10

!ops

20:11

Namworld: Did you miss the motherboard convo?

20:11

i smell a ban coming

20:11

I guess I have

20:12

PeterGriffin: Are you that CalvinKlein from Friday

20:12

BingoBoingo: motherboard << ?

20:12

calvinklein? no

20:13

asciilifeform: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=153

20:13

#bitcoin-assets bash

20:13

aha that one

20:13

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

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hiiii

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god hates you if your not the non elect

20:15

http://youtu.be/HrKp8Zx6V_s

20:15

Mayer Hawthorne - Crime (Lyric Video) ft. Kendrick Lamar - YouTube

20:15

hi =====

20:15

hi

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!down penguirker

20:16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQABR_9gGI&list=PLA932903698A56780

20:16

The Sovereignty of God Versus Man-Made Religions, Hollywood Movies & Petty Emotionalism - YouTube

20:16

!down PeterGriffin

20:16

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.025001 = 0.125 BTC [-]

20:17

lol

20:18

i always laugh when i read comments about bitcoin on hn

20:19

Mats_cd03: for some reason i thought the subject was forbidden there - unless posted by authorized phoundation shill

20:20

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 400 @ 0.002 = 0.8 BTC

20:21

that's not very far from truth asciilifeform

20:21

anyway : romanian prices, ~280 lei. /3.2 = 87.5 usd.

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asciilifeform has the honour of running a site hellbanned on hn.

20:22

argentinian prices, 980 pesos. /11.4 = 85.96 usd.

20:22

CHEAPER!

20:22

(described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91)

20:22

Loper OS » Tenser, Said the Censor [*]

20:23

asciilifeform wait, you're NOT ONLY A WIKIPEDIA SPAMMER ARE YOU!!1

20:23

*

asciilifeform unrepentant spam desperado

20:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9385 @ 0.00085551 = 8.029 BTC [-]

20:24

"Another common criticism of this practice has been that while in theory, it's a smart and effective way to discourage trolling, in actuality, the trolls and spammers are the first to become wise to this, and instead many innocent users get hurt, being unaware of what's going on."

20:25

in point of fact, hellbanning is exactly the opposite of this chan's +m

20:25

it has disadvantages in place of all the advantages, and no redeeming advantages whatsoever

20:25

other that being easy and cheap

20:26

mircea_popescu: it's also an inescapable fact of life for idiots who insist on maintaining appearance of 'democracy!' while keeping the signal to noise ratio within some bounds

20:26

myeah

20:26

who's pg ?

20:26

greenspun ?

20:26

graham

20:27

oh lol

20:27

(goes by pg on his site)

20:28

http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/killed.png

20:28

pretty good png to haveactually.

20:29

o that's what that recode shit coming out of nowhere is

20:29

^ taken on an apple box dusted off for the occasion, purposefully

20:29

mossberg got fired

20:29

lol

20:29

i peripherally noticed there's yet another one of these web platform shits.

20:29

(to anyone in usa, 'mossberg' is a '12' caliber shotgun)

20:29

with conferences and errything

20:30

brb dinner.

20:31

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 60 @ 0.002 = 0.12 BTC

20:32

http://aspensmonster.com/2014/05/22/leaving-hacker-news

20:32

» Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER

20:32

^ some interesting discussion re: how hn works

20:33

the auto-zap for nsa-related crap is especially entertaining (folks keep finding ways around it, mods play whackamole)

20:34

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bb3m2/this_comment_defending_bitcoin_got_me_hellbanned/

20:34

This comment defending Bitcoin got me hellbanned from "Hacker" News. : Bitcoin

20:35

the interesting thing isn't that pg & co. zap posts they aren't particularly fond of. rather more interesting: the elaborate gymnastics to maintain a pretense of being an uncensored forum.

20:36

'reddit' may be a cesspool, but hn is a very special kind of echo hell.

20:43

<mircea_popescu> Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes. // y'all ain't even seen me in my heels yet

~ 18 minutes ~

21:02

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-09/facebook-zuckerberg-sued-over-directors-compensation.html

21:02

Facebook, Zuckerberg Sued Over Directors Compensation - Bloomberg

21:07

yea

21:07

fuck zuckerberg

21:07

FUCK DAT GUY

21:08

assbot> » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER << all these important things i've missed out on while doing other things.

21:09

asciilifeform wait what ?! they don't discuss nsa ?~!

21:09

all i can surmise is, pg would rather not.

21:09

distracts from fartup derpus

21:10

well, inasmuch as zombie is allowed to continue to exist, zombie is well advised to not be too critical of the decay process.

21:11

"Reddit seems to be one of the only places you can have true freedom of speech on the internet, and it thrives thanks to it. "

21:11

ahahaha help me rwanda

21:12

true freedom of speech? da fuq does that even mean?

21:12

like the true scotsman

21:12

speech that conforms to one's priors is freedom of speech

21:13

speech that brings forth the cognitive dissonance one's priors suffer at the hands of reality is trolling

21:17

mircea_popescu: walt mossberg??

21:18

i remember 15 years ago coworkers sweating his reviews.

21:18

yeah him

21:20

this could be like oprah leaving cable. he's not bigger than the journal.

21:20

dj fired him last year turns out, he started this recode thing january

21:20

he didnt leave, he got canned

21:20

prolly tried to resist a salary cut

21:20

crazy. well, he'll find a paycheck somewhere.

21:22

doubt it.

21:22

he's running in the wrong track with the wrong dogs.

21:23

"It was autodeaded, presumably because of my use of the term circlejerk, which HN is quite sensitive to."

21:23

aahahaha

21:23

gay

21:23

er, gah*

21:24

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482

21:24

Loper OS » Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth!

21:24

"I was recently met with a torrent of downvotes nearly 100, might have actually crossed that for poking fun at HNs incessant were-not-reddit-were-much-more-sophisticated circlejerking"

21:24

o wait, because basically both hn and reddit are owned by the same dead media conglomerate is it

21:24

the past caught up and is nutpunching me

21:24

so theykinda have a bit of an identity issue

21:25

like the mercury/ford

21:25

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14920 @ 0.0000669 = 0.9981 BTC [+] {3}

21:26

Shame on me for continually pointing out this communitys obsession over being the glorious master race of online discussion whilst poo-pooing the cesspools of filthy casuals like Reddit or, god forbid, Slashdot.

21:26

ahahaha wait, WHAT ?

21:26

hacker news seriously thinks they matter somehow ?!

21:27

Pretty much no one knows about hacker news.

21:27

fb95e6a6f3843ea7fe22e08d08b20ead70ee3181b363916439a7c93da9b89c0d

21:27

i suppose that doesn't detract

21:28

for a turdmeister, wielding the banhammer isn't really satisfying unless he imagines that he's adding heretics to an all-important 'index librorum prohibitorum'

21:28

mike_c wassat ?

21:28

a prediction for later. i want proof that i called it.

21:28

Hacker News has always throught they mattered I though...

21:28

removing the miscreants from the universe of Things That Matter

21:28

thought

21:28

New blog post: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482

21:28

asciilifeform you wanna talk about nonsense items and the rotten paradigms they create and perpetuate ? teh banhammer. worse than risc.

21:28

lol

21:29

purely 'psychiatric' interest here.

21:29

worse than anything about c/c++

21:29

pure and simple, at some point in whatever, 1995, some derp with a blog/forum/platform came up with the idea of BANNING

21:29

and it's been sticking ever since, irrespective of how stupid it is.

21:30

mike_c now im curious

21:30

i am predicting your announcement.

21:30

holy shit.

21:30

i'll bet you you aren't.

21:30

there was to be an announcement ?

21:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00085582 = 4.1507 BTC [+] {2}

21:31

hm, ok, i'll make a small wager. i'm not super-confident, but i think i've got it.

21:31

can be a bet for charity. whole bet goes to b-a donation address

21:31

sounds good

21:31

0.5 btc?

21:31

sure.

21:32

so if you predicted it i send kako a btc, if not you do ?

21:32

deal

21:32

LOL

21:33

pretty cool way to run a bet i say

21:33

how do we know you didn't change the date of the announcement

21:33

who's we

21:35

his nick isn't inaba or Luke-Jr?

21:35

asciilifeform: I wonder why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium.

21:36

http://aspensmonster.com/2014/05/22/leaving-hacker-news/#comment-10163

↖

21:36

» Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER

21:38

"But in the absence of some system of law, the tiny minority of users out to do harm intentionally or not eventually drive out all the civil community members, leaving behind a lawless, chaotic badland."

21:38

this is such an amusing thing, because of all the utterly meaningless forums out there pretending to be communities and deluding themselves as to their own relevancy, not a single one would admit it's a failure

21:38

yet each and every one will pass this bit of "oh, leaving behind the broken spot"

21:39

nobody can point to such a broken spot on the interwebs, but nevertheless the apparent abundance of such is why every lemming wears plaid.

21:40

When does something matter?

21:40

announcement << i'll take the shot. mp to sell warehouses in Ar for btc.

21:41

[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC

21:41

the fibers can easily be made fuzz. Being crushed and shortened in unit length, staple tends to become fly or dusts with ease and dispersed into atmosphere.Their Carbon Fiber users are advised to be careful not to dispose naked skins to the fibers and to take deliberate dusts cleaning measures naked skins.

21:41

thank you japan

21:41

dub: the infamous 'pencil in space capsule' problem

21:41

dub the fuzz is after you now ?

21:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXk3n5FCkw

21:42

Join the Fuzz - We Love the Violence - YouTube

21:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12704 @ 0.00085529 = 10.8656 BTC [-] {2}

21:43

Is there a link to when this announcement was announced?

21:45

"That said, every community is different. I've personally talked to people in charge of large online communities ones you probably participate in every day and part of the reason those communities haven't broken down into utter chaos by now is because they secretly hellban and slowban their most problematic users. "

21:46

"i have talked to some people i won't name about some things i won't name but take my word on it that it's relevant, and they said my stupidity is entirely correct"

21:46

WTF is a slowban

21:46

how do these idiots live with themselves ?

21:46

BingoBoingo apparently make your pages load slowly because whoever cares about your site sucking

21:46

BingoBoingo: slowban << poor site performance emulated for a very special someone

21:47

anyway, gotta remember that Jeff Atwood is pretty fucking stupid.

21:48

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00085788 = 6.863 BTC [+] {2}

21:48

What the fuck. Someone provokes annoyance in good faith and the response is now to lie and cover yourself in shit so they don't want to be seen around you?

21:49

yup

21:49

this dovetails neatly with "women don't have to do anything in particular to not get fucked"

21:50

I have to wonder who the original autist was to come up with the idea of a slowban.

21:50

BingoBoingo: afaik it was one of pg's flunkies.

21:50

perhaps altman.

21:51

(his vizier)

21:51

This has to be some clinically defective reasoning.

21:51

what's a hellban?

21:52

midnightmagic: hellban << victim thinks his posts show.

21:52

he logs out - they're gone.

21:52

oh yeah. Like +z. I love +z.

21:52

aka /shun

21:53

ircd ignores msgs, client cant tell

21:53

dub actually the material i've seen included a lot of derping about how fucking horrible and psychologically blabla that is.

21:53

so i guess the kids in charge have some deep seated issues with this sort of passive-agressive nonsense.

21:54

sounds like new-age nonsense to me

21:54

safest way to deal with some kinds of damage

21:55

yeah, unfortunately :-/

21:55

dub so the guy you're "shunning" twists your nipples.

21:55

do you keep at it or what.

21:55

it's utterly dependent on you living in a boring environment. or in other words, if shunning works, your life sucks.

21:56

"enjoyment of the first look you take at a comment page is prioritized over active participation. That's great if you're trying to attach ads to pictures of cats, but if you're trying to have a real conversation, it just gets in the way. I can read, I don't need an algorithm to tell me which comments are notable and which ones are junk. If I see a troll post on any other site, I don't seize up and have an aneurism, I j

21:56

ust scroll past it.

21:56

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I can easily follow 50+ page PHPbb threads that drag on for months or even years, or 4chan threads with hundreds of posts and more on the way every time you refresh, but a small conversation (in reality; I considered it huge by my HN standards) I had on here the other day with about 10 comments or so made my head spin. I wrote half the posts and it was still hard to follow! O

21:56

h, and of course, no one but the people I responded to will ever read the things I wrote hours after the thread dropped off the front page."

21:56

wow look at that : they actually understand what's wrong with the ~others~

21:57

The Reddit discussion model is completely oriented towards providing the fast food of news commentary, where your << missing 1st line

21:57

life is not always a forum

21:58

exactly.

22:00

anyway, fun to see people on these very successful sites are lively debating solved problems in fain, years ago. makes my asshole swell.

22:01

;;google funarg problem

22:01

Funarg problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funarg_problem>; The FUNARG Problem Explained - Software Preservation Group: <http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/Weizenbaum-FUNARG_Problem_Explained-1968.pdf>; FUNARG Problem - DSpace@MIT: <http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/5854/AIM-199.pdf>

22:02

^ a problem gleefully re-introduced by quite a few 'language of the day!' designers

22:02

this kind of thing is the norm in techno-derpatronics

22:02

dig up a (solved) problem (or, 'problem'), peddle solution (or 'solution'), ???, profit

22:03

refreshing trilema hoping to see an announcement #assetslife

22:03

but I guess with pankkake 's bot that's not necessary anymore

22:03

asciilifeform le suck.

22:04

[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.025001 = 0.25 BTC [-]

22:06

this is sometimes done in academia. as described in an infamous crackpot essay, 'stealing the chaos':

22:06

http://lesswrong.com/lw/kv/beware_of_stephen_j_gould

22:06

Beware of Stephen J. Gould - Less Wrong

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.025001 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23799979 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.025 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3}

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(lw is another reddit clone that makes hn, etc. look sane. inhabited by folks terrified of robo-apocalypse. i was drummed out of lw as a 'future genocidal criminal' for... considering resurrecting doug lenat's 'eurisko.')

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hm

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just how many of these social media sites did you get banned from ?

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tbh, i wasn't properly banned from any of them.

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login still functions

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ban isn't quite the word here

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Kulakified?

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when you merit your own line of code in some turdmeister's db handler, but not banned... what do we call this.

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banned lol

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in retrospect, being cast ashore from the shit-ocean was astonishingly good fortune.

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think how many potentially-interesting folks are floating there still.

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why thank you assbot

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prolly.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00085527 = 9.6646 BTC [-]

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well i guess with all teh encouragement ima make more travel log posts

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do it

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loved the mango and ginger breakfast picture as well

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it turns out to be a pretty great breakfast!

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best part of winning a bitbet: gloating in the comments.

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I love mango and I love ginger, but I haven't had the combination. Sounds like an indian dish to me

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mike_c link?

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http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/#c3022

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BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros :: 1.03 B (14%) on Yes, 6.22 B (86%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 day ago

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aha saw it

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can't believe 7 btc was laid down on that bet

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usually the sports ones are sparse

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mike_c btw, the coffee shop i happenedto stop for my pasteleria today (which dubs itself as a "local de encuentro" and during the night time doubles as a whorehouse) just happened to run the match on a large screen

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and females tennis too..

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i caught it starting with the 4-6 6-7 1-0 moment

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that little shit gave sharapova a good run for her tits.

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hahaha

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at some point the russian fowled 5 serves in a row

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Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DH2FTF.txt )

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!b 9

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[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0251 = 0.251 BTC [+]

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hah, yeah, i'm glad i didn't watch it. too much of a sweat.

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I'm very sad I didn't get to see the sexy Sharapova in action :(

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nice legs yeah

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2227057 BTC [-]

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bc,stats

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updating TheNewDeal's prediction to 6.3%

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;;bc,stats

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but what's the point/use for a changing prediction ?

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gribble does it!

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lolk

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Yesterday was 4.8, 6/7 was 6.9%

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gribble was guessing like 0% when I was guessing around 5

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I play around with my model a little bit and try to make it look realist. Gribble and bitcoinwisdom are pretty much looking at something like the last 500 or 1000 blocks and predicting off that

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+ic

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will bitbet start reporting the results of their bets in the manner I was talking about yesterday?

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Like Gain:X, Total Resolved: Y, Pending: Z

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5939 @ 0.00085513 = 5.0786 BTC [-]

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i think your talking about bitbet is incidental to what it'll actually do.

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well of course

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but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets

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the way its reported now is just obscure

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TheNewDeal: TheNewDeal Were you trying to trade Bastille Day bet Exposure yesterday?

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yes

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I have bets on Yes , and I would still like to trade exposure

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bitcoinpete picked up a mere .1 BTC when I am looking for more

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TheNewDeal: How do these arrangements work? Suppose I wanted to trade some of my no for your yes, how do we price these?

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oh I don

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I don't want any of your no :D

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TheNewDeal: Supposed you did, because we were both looking to hedge. How would this trade work?

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the trade would work like this

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you would give a amount, say 1 BTC, and we would tack on a timeweight to it

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so you would send me 1 btc, and receive X timeweight

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that I would pay out to your address

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does that make any sense?

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timeweight would be agreed upon beforehand

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TheNewDeal: Sure. That's about half of the question's answer. What of instead of BTC for positions the trade was positions for positions?

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thats possible. I have 5.6 total BTC in for a timeweight of ~197,000. Care to share what you're trying to trade?

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<TheNewDeal> but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets << you know investors can readily revbiew this as they're all published

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so far the house is ahead, mike_c did the math recently.

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!up pgrewr

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well, house bets are ahead. the house isn't because it gives away half the bets.

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MP, but recently they have upped the amounts they bet, by a large amoutn

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correct?

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TheNewDeal not afaik

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mike_c right.

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hmmm I'm going to have to do some research. thought I read something that said they were upping the amount of BTC bet

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perhaps it was around the time MPIF came about?

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pgrewr

homosexuals should be put to death

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always been .1

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tis in th faq

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TheNewDeal: Well, let's not reveal the particular bet since we are miming what making such a deal would look like and Assume I have this position http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/#b39 And would like to swap half of the balance for a favorably priced yes position.

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BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.84 B (85%) on Yes, 19.55 B (15%) on No | closing in 3 days 20 hours | weight: 2`243 (100`000 to 1)

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How do we go about pricing No at a weight TheNewDeal versus yes at a weight?

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well it wouldn't really make too much sense for me financially, unless you had much more timeweight

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i take that back

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TheNewDeal: It could though which is why the pricing of these things and how to do it is so important.

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let me do a quick calculation

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!up Hoodmin

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Hoodmin

Evenin coiners

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Evening Hoodmin

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TheNewDeal: I'm curious, are you running Bitbet.py?

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pgrewr: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9831727/Iran-unveils-finger-amputating-machine-for-use-on-thieves.html << adapt for your application

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Iran unveils finger amputating machine for use on thieves - Telegraph

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no

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what is bitbet.py?

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TheNewDeal: Do you have a more interesting tool for calculating Bitbet outcomes then?

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i use excel or simply Calculator

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i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime..

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TheNewDeal: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-bitbet-us-buggy.86712/#post-1492473

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Is bitbet.us buggy? | Bitcointa.lk

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;;calc 16.3/678*112.8+.99*1

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3.70185840708

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not too hard

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TheNewDeal: It's a simple tool. You past in the lines from bitbet and get the whole thing laid out.

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old skool. it should grab the json.

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blech. i feel another bitbet blog post coming on.

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Well, it is a relic of BitBet's earlier days

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ill definitely check it out

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but it's easy enough for me to quickly find the payout of one or two bets

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TheNewDeal: Yeah, but I usually like to survey the whole field at once. Creates a real appreciation of time weight

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touche

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Helps you identify interesting bettors as well

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besides the point

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the maximum i stand to make on my yes prop is 1.25 btc with 5.6 bet (assuming no more NO bets come)

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if I purchased your whole position, I would make 3.78% on yes, or lose 28.8 percent

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TheNewDeal: Assume we are hedgine and trading smaller amounts. Who would we price deciBitcoin portions of each position.

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let's say I were to send you a fraction of a BTC (let's say a half) on the no bet. Would you consider giving me a larger timeweight than what you have bet at?

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TheNewDeal: I'd actually be more interested in swapping a fraction of the no for a fraction of the Yes. If we are trading Bitcoin against the position... I'd maybe be interested in offering a bit of extra timeweight.

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BingoBoingo: why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium << Ga is typically found in bauxite, so it had to wait for cheap Al refinement.

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asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists.

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BingoBoingo: in principle, it would make a pretty good 'low tech testable' precious metal. simply determine melting point.

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New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/food-para-comer/

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My position will currently pay out 1.22 per 1 invested, but I have like 4X more invested, so it doesn't make much sense to buy a small fraction

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Indeed more testable.

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;;calc 3.70185840708*0.5

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1.85092920354

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!mpif

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BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021706 BTC (Total: 434.13 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]

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TheNewDeal: I'm thinking rather than adjusting time weight which could create a bit of a pickle if a lot of large late betting acticity swoops in we consider the matter of pricing a 0.5 stake in terms of the premium or discount applied to 0.5 BTC to purchase it.

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Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 474.9239018 BTC. Current weight: 45,777.

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Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 42(Y):58(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.25076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,957.

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first off, I don't think there will be any late bettors here

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secondly, if there are, it will only help my position

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the yes pays less than half a percent at 1 btc

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No one ever anticipates snackman...

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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pensioners-lose-savings-in-government-cash-grab-20140609-39t7p.html save money in australia for longer than 3 years and you get your shit ganked

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Pensioners lose savings in government cash grab

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we could definitely swap, but I don't see how it would help you out

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yes timeweight pays out not so much

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TheNewDeal: So for 0.5 BTC of my no stake you would pay 0.? BTC

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that doesn't work out for me

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Ah, so what works again? You want to pay ? for a stake with the timeweight adjusted upwards? Wouldn't it be easier to adjust the price paid or the portion of the stake purchased?

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let me go over an example scenario

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if I were to purchase .33 BTC at 30K timeweight

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for me I would be winning 10% on my investment of 5.9 BTC on YES, or returning 27% of that investment on no

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you on the other hand, would bring in 1.06 BTC for an investment of (1-.33 = .67 btc)

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