#trilema | 2014-04-26

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {2}

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00:19

BingoBoingo: damn you got some gems of entries in Bingo Blog

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love it

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thanks thestringpuller

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Bitcoin with it's fixed maximum supply and decreasing rate of new coin generation is going to continue moving against the dollar. Any plan for a business that touches both Dollars and Bitcoins needs to be prepared for the contingencies of both Million Dollar Bitcoins and for One Dollar Bitcoins.[1] If either contingency breaks your business model, you need to rethink your business model unless you want to be runn

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i love that

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that quote is gold

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Lol, that's an older one even

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yea but as you can see I just re read the AirBnb one and commented on my recent experience

00:23

Ah, yeah

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It's quite perplexing. If this experience were ocurring with a Bitcoin business this instant...it would definitively be a scam...

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Yeah

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this is the exact reason fiat businesses will die, and I have learned that tonight

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first

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fucking

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hand

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Oh, which business?

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AirBnb

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I've been onl hold for 50 minutes

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Shit

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Worse than the cable company

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I think one of the big factors crippling fiat businesses is easy access to leverage. Lets operations learn to be weak.

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Exactly!

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That's why Simple.com was so revolutionary to me.

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Damn BingoBoingo I need to treat you to a baseball game this summer.

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This simple thing looks interesting.

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The baseball game might have to happen sometime before october ends

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00094797 = 18.201 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07022645 = 0.1405 BTC [+]

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Fuck yea. #bitcoin-assets baseball days

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holy shit that sounds fun

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seats near the field/dugout

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talk about bitcoin-assets shit while getting drunk

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watching the great american sport!

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Or the bleachers, depending who is swinging hot.

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And the stadium

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Damn. This is gonna be a good summer.

00:40

A kind of mini conference for those of us awaiting the gasenwagen as asciilifeform says.

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Baseball is a good excuse to gather I say. At least for us Americans lol

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Yeah

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Oh, I'll be sleeping soon.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00094813 = 24.6988 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00094878 = 1.0437 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07039389 = 1.1263 BTC [+] {2}

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;;later tell satoshijack cool

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The operation succeeded.

01:19

http://www.nameoftheyear.com/ apparently this is a thing

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Name of the Year

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

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[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9017 @ 0.00094765 = 8.545 BTC [-]

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02:17

for a quick laugh : http://pastebin.com/qDZwppcN

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00021217 = 0.1061 BTC [-] {2}

02:30

mircea_popescu: regarding https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459941006210007040—first I'd seen it but I don't frequent the site. crazy stuff

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so ass backwards the way the US acts about online gambling

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like we're still on the mayflower

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cgcardona_ funny cause i had just written an article about exactly this

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http://trilema.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/

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An inventory of a prison pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:34

wow i didn't realize you made the berkshire bet

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bitbet is kakobrekla's site yea?

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now part of MPex? (Still putting pieces together)

02:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60386 @ 0.00095079 = 57.4144 BTC [+] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31416 @ 0.00095354 = 29.9564 BTC [+]

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http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET so start with the primary sources neh ?

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S.BBET last 357@0.00055999

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ah yes i see. how very cool. that site blew my mind the first time I saw it.

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it;s not bad.

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kakobrekla regularly gets cookies for it.

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;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of bitbet.us and creator of #bitcoin-assets

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i eat them.

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Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.

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haha I bet you do :)

02:42

;;rate mircea_popescu 1 cookie eating bitlord

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02:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8876 @ 0.00094722 = 8.4075 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [+]

02:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 803 @ 0.00094403 = 0.7581 BTC [-]

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03:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43921 @ 0.00094514 = 41.5115 BTC [+] {2}

03:13

;;later tell benkay` "I rapidly came to understand that the space compromised of people working on Bitcoin" you mean comprised ?

03:13

The operation succeeded.

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*

fluffypony stretches

03:20

thestringpuller: just read your Airbnb thing, they sound truly retarded

03:22

between the "you gotta break your lease to use our site" and the "you can't talk to your customers as per our rules", the whole thing should be illegal.

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I agree

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that the SEC is not probing it simply speaks of how the SEC is more of an instrument of private interest than any sort of justice.

03:23

I'd hate to have random people I don't know and have never spoken to staying in my house whilst I'm not there

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:/

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who the fuck heard of this, "build an alleged business on explicitly and directly requiring people to break the law, require them to not talk about it and then list on the nyse"

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if ycombinator is allowed to do this, why aren't the crime families ?

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thestringpuller: also I don't know if you know this, but BBVA (Spanish bank who bought Simple.com) are pro-Bitcoin, so maybe there will be some interesting integration sometime

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lol

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fluffypony how about you sublet half a duplex to some schmuck

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which results in 3829 people staying there over 3 years.

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06849876 = 4.7949 BTC [-] {15}

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I'm pretty sure I'd need to get some sort of special license for that in parts of the world

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especially in the US

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aren't there hospitality licenses/requirements?

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yes. including the parts of the world where airbnb domiciles.

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somehow it's not been shutdown yet tho.

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meanwhile charlie shrem is in jail etc.

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landlords need to step up and start nailing tenants who use Airbnb

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06801676 = 2.0405 BTC [-] {3}

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no. the sec needs to step up and have the shit delisted,

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and the ny da needs to step up and slap charges on everyone involved.

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the founders, the angels, the board members, the vcs that signed sheets.

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agreed

03:27

I had an idea to improve security of f2f trades: beforehand buyer signs a contract stating his receiving address. if the buyer gets the coins but doesn't pay (as per security cam), theft is on record

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want a fiat stock exchange as clean as mpex, gotta put in as much work as mpex does.

03:27

HeySteve what security cam is this ?

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wherever they might choose to meet that has Big Brother around

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how do you get access to the recording ?

03:28

I've read an account of where it was done, I think LocalBitcoins got involved. was either a bank or coffee shop

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yes well there's a difference between a bank and a coffee shop.

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the difference'd be that while the bank cam can be used in court, random joe blow does not get a copy

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wheras the converse is true of a coffee shop

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ah well then it's just a matter of finding a bitcoin-friendly bank that loves helping the public :D

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that's akin to the matter of finding a girl that menstruates pearls.

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heh

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well, any recording where cash is clearly handed over will have some value as evidence, the contract being the evidence of bitcoin transferral

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;;later tell benkay` "Quixotic damn mission. There are years of fraudulent insanity buried in that forum, and after two weeks of cataloging the madness had to take the project out back and shoot it in the head for fear I'd come down with whatever disease is infecting the brains of those who seek to throw their hard-won bitcoins at unknown entities across the internet. " << that then makes two for you eh ?

03:31

The operation succeeded.

03:31

!up DonglordActual

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Voicing DonglordActual for 30 minutes.

03:32

HeySteve sure, if you find people willing to post videos on themselves on your blog, you may have something.

03:33

the cam helps the scammer

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I'm thinking in Bitcoin-trendy places like Kreuzberg that shops accepting BTC would provide this service

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the point of the contract is to prevent the scammer from pretending no deal was supposed to take place

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since the camera footage would show one guy type on his phone and the other leave with the money he entered with

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danielpbarron i don't exactly follow ?

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or in the case I heard about: the headphones with which he entered

03:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15244 @ 0.00095186 = 14.5102 BTC [+]

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!jd mpif

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Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.23038790 BTC

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there was a real case where a guy said he wanted to sell his headphones for BTC; they met in a place that had a camera; the footage showed one guy type on his phone, and the other guy left with his headphones

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fluffypony http://spagni.net/jdmpif/ << broken ?

03:36

danielpbarron so how was the scammer helped ?

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mircea_popescu: requires JavaScript, it's for the hipsters :-P

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oic

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if the BTC guy tried to grab the headphones, it would look as if HE were the theif

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thief*

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i saw a - i was all omg wtf i got robbed overnight!

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LOL

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danielpbarron oh i see. yep, you got a solid point there.

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the JS just ends up loading and replacing the contents of the div with the value from here: http://spagni.net/jdmpif/jdmpif.txt

03:38

and this really happened; so anyway, HeySteve had the good idea to get the cash guy to sign a GPG contract specifying his receiving address, before the face-to-face meeting

03:39

I wonder if it'd be worth developing a service for this, to make GPG contracts easier for casuals

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that way, the BTC guy can prove that fraud has taken place if the other guy tries to walk away after the transaction is broadcast

03:39

localbitcoins could integrate a quick and easy mutual GPG-signed contract

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nothing stops LocalBTC taking the idea though

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fluffypony it could. verify that the contracts are signed.

03:39

HeySteve: the act of signing still requires a modicum of technical ability

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although there are nice UIs nowadays

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you'll still end up with people losing their privkeys

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046708 = 0.4671 BTC [+] {2}

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yeh it's not gonna happen

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HeySteve actually a site like that, WebContract or w/e, where you simply put up html forms for people to ul their contracts and you verify them

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that may well end up a big thing

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make it a social media site centered around contract making

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yeah, doesn't have to be GPG necessarily

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yeah, maybe some on-site videos with excitable cartoon animals would help with the GPG stuff

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indeed.

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in my experience, localbitcoin users do not have the patience to wait for 1 confirmation, let alone learn what GPG is

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*

fluffypony nods

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danielpbarron so fuck them. users gotta be trained.

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like any other dog.

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i agree

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if it were up to the users, they wouldn't have the patience for the hambuger order either

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probably best not to even use that site

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it's not.

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the thing is, a LBTC sellers who got or are worried about being scammed in F2F would want it if it existed

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could offer buyer a discount if they jump through the hoops

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gpg social media

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i like the sound of that

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HeySteve cheaper than two guys with shotguns to back you up and a new pair of spatz every time some twennysomething spaz tries to be smart.

03:42

is that something keybase is working towards?

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lol

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(i know they want your private key, but you can use their service without giving it to them)

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I don't get keybase.io

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what is it supposed to be?

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you can verify sigs with the pubkey, you don;'t need the private

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hell maybe I'll just blog this idea and see what happens

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fluffypony: it's kinda along these lines except without posting the contracts

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so why do they need your privkey?

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not need, want

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it lets you make a social media style profile in which you can link other profiles by posting GPG signed proof messages

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oic

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http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=spagni&op=index

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Search results for 'spagni'

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there

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keybase

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:-P

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you can upload your priv key to them and use a password for future signings

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4935 @ 0.00095186 = 4.6974 BTC [+]

03:47

that's not the same at all

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;;later tell decimation so what, fags were kulaks at some point. they ceased to be exactly because they started pushing that sort of thing.

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The operation succeeded.

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keybase has you tweet from your twitter account, a special message containing a hash of a GPG signed statement of association

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ok so they can "verify" your Twitter/Github/whatever is really you

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which you could do yourself, but keybase is like a yellow pages of these associations

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but that they can do with just the pubkey...?

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yeah they don't need the priv key

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jar

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Apocalyptic: http://www.bitfin.com/ << all the people who aren't in Bitcoin finance but would like to be, so rather than join #bitcoin-assets prefer to pretend like they matter instead.

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it's all done in your browser but it's still not safe since you have to trust the script served up isn't malicious

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

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that's all only if you do it through the site, you can do the actual signing yourself without giving the site any private info

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that site is very pretty on my iPhone; this makes me distrust it

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lol

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responsive layouts aren't untrustworthy

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that's just CSS media queries

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ThickAsThieves << that's a huge thing, documenting all the memes. milk, and first, best and greatest and whoa nelly, tons of them

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i'm half kidding

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it's the iphone itself which is the real risk

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those things are backdoored to hell

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yeh, not happy with it overall

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4515 @ 0.00094414 = 4.2628 BTC [-]

03:55

I love my iPhone. but then again, I primarily use it as a phone. I do a bit of browsing and play games and have a bunch of apps of various utility, but I don't use it for anything I would consider sensitive

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the whole "don't eat where you poop" thing

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i don't even like mine for the non-sensitive things; it just sucks all-around

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meh, I'm the wrong person for this debate, I'd still use a 3310 if it had more games than Snake

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is that the nokia brick? I used that thing until it wouldn't charge anymore

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lol

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I'm still using a nokia brick :)

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i only got an iPhone because it's "free" if you're already on contract

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i kept using it even when the 3 key wouldn't work

04:04

oh look people in other continents

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Africa reprezent

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https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459966542122602496

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Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/5L8gDU5pZq cc ...

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anyone want to make bets as to who shows up first ?

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jerbrightcove hasn't tweeted since 2013

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so not him

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I'm guessing Karl Grayh

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*Gray

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mircea_popescu I'm always surprised at how well educated you are on Hollywood.

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I guess I shouldn't be at this point.

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i'm an educated young man, what.

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It's a great analogy you use between Bitcoin finance and Hollywood.

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fluffypony my bet's on neville.

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thestringpuller kinda proud of it myself :p

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mircea_popescu: "Much like .nobody knows how to make movies. was generally true in Hollywood, .nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses. is generally true in Bitcoin." << I wish designers weren't as "uppity" these days. It's surprising that a designer straight out of school thinks they know how to "change the world" better than their predecessors who have been doing it for decades, yet these baby designers ha

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https://twitter.com/kiwiiiduck/status/455360382748880896/photo/1/large

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Twitter / kiwiiiduck: changed "analogy" to autocorrect ...

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lel

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lmao

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heh

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this dude's 10 year old sister got her first phone, some of these are priceless: http://imgur.com/a/uJ8Md

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lol

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the pretty simile is my favourite

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!up JoshG

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Voicing JoshG for 30 minutes.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6879 @ 0.00095264 = 6.5532 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

04:46

heh, just had a business idea. rent garages in first home neighbourhoods, buy crap for the people doing pond shops, abandoned storage container auctions, police confiscation auctions etc

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hold perpetual garage sales at "discounted" prices.

04:47

a pepper mill that retails for $25 at Bed Bath & Beyond could be yours for 35 cents and moved on to a 28yo fuckwit that just bought a diamond ring and a mortgage for the low low price of $5.

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perfect fambly business, your gf could keep a network of friendly garage owners to rent from, your other gf could spend all her time doing one garage a day for five days a week, you can handle the buying and logistics.

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probably beats prostitution, especially if your two gfs are ugly.

04:54

wut?

04:59

jurov garage sales. you know ?

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do you have those in .ro?

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seems like a US thing to me

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2790 @ 0.00095354 = 2.6604 BTC [+]

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ah that i get it. need coffee

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joecool

punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R57PlZFAeM

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Naphex

garage sales!

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Naphex

morning

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 450 @ 0.0002272 = 0.1022 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00095354 = 6.5632 BTC [+]

05:34

hahaha wow

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i really can't believe i came back from smoking and read that

05:36

here it works in exactly opposite manner

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gypsies drive around and annoy everyone with recorded messages:

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they do free garbage removal here, pick up old washing machines or whatever for scrap

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Citizens! We buy old watches, pictures, scrap metal. Citizens, please make yourself heard!

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Citizens?

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curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ?

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1196 @ 0.00020965 = 0.2507 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06933582 = 1.1094 BTC [+]

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he spent several years there

05:53

!up Skirmant

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Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.

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!up akstunt600

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Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.

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cazalla

mircea_popescu: $5? tell him's dreamin'

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cazalla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk aussie classic heh

06:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12456 @ 0.0009526 = 11.8656 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00094816 = 5.5467 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0009498 = 12.4424 BTC [+] {2}

06:29

has anyone been following the Bytecoin/CryptoNote thing?

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https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bytecoin

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557322.0;all

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[BCN] Uncovering CryptoNote technology and Bytecoin BCN FAQ

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apparently it's been around since April 2012 (according to the genesis block)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30710 @ 0.00094648 = 29.0664 BTC [-] {3}

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but Tor only

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and everyone just woke up to its existence

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"everyone" by some definition of everyone

06:33

hmm interesting

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12545 @ 0.0009425 = 11.8237 BTC [-] {2}

06:34

https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

06:34

white paper

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uses ring signatures

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!up Vexual

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Voicing Vexual for 30 minutes.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17645 @ 0.00094193 = 16.6204 BTC [-] {2}

06:51

punkman they dun exist in .ro no

06:51

hi mircea

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!ip rithm

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!up rithm

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Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.

06:51

thestringpuller> curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? << i lived there, remember ? i live with us born chicks, too.

06:52

fluffypony apparently, only you

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:-P

06:53

o look at that, Vexual is back ?

06:53

how was rehab!

06:53

Q: What is CryptoNote technology?

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A: "An open-source technology and concepts for the cryptocurrencies of the future" as stated on the website. Also, CN developers state it clearly that they are not a coin itself, but rather a technological concept that allows creation of new cryptocurrencies.

06:54

sometimes i wonder what people think words mean.

06:54

:) okay. how was your party?

06:54

not bad! airbnb kept us 1 hour on hold

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conference

06:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9405 @ 0.00094688 = 8.9054 BTC [+]

06:58

fluffypony anyway, invite the rias guy over

06:59

rias?

06:59

ya

06:59

oh the dude that did that thread

07:00

[12:59:30] Rias signed on at 08 April 2014 at 12:27:14 PM SAST and has been idle for 1 week, 7 hours, 22 minutes, 48 seconds

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he just compiled the info

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"This whole story is quite strange and is getting stranger and stranger with each new fact about this cryptonote and bytecoin-bcn. I've started this topic to summarize all information that we have today. I feel like the best solution is faq with proof-links."

07:00

whats cryptonaot? ive got 2 months or reading to do

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kakobrekla can assbot invite rias plox

07:01

I message'd him

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a ty

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"We propose a new memory-bound algorithm for the proof-of-work pricing function. It relies on random access to a slow memory and emphasizes latency dependence. As opposed to scrypt every

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new block (64 bytes in length) depends on all the previous blocks. As a result a hypothetical memory-saver should increase his calculation speed exponentially."

07:02

this seems unsound.

07:02

similar to scrypt-n, with that the n-factor is based on the previous block

07:02

yeah. this'll never work.

07:03

how many sha 256 computers are there?

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https://bytecoin.org/whitepaper.pdf

07:04

what;s a sha 256 computer ?

07:04

Vexual: you mean SHA-256 ASICs

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?

07:04

is stuff with names like dragon you get off aliexpress

07:04

whats altcoin diff?

07:05

AliExpress is a nice way to overpay for something and spend 3 months waiting for it

07:05

fluffypony apparently you weren't the only one looking at this, and apparently we don't think very much of it.

07:05

mircea_popescu: I just heard about it today

07:05

Vexual apparently it exploded after conf

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so I don't know enough to form an opinion yet

07:07

were you making it rain altcoin?

07:07

nop

07:08

hum, did blockr.io take off altcoin ?!

07:09

nope

07:09

http://atc.blockr.io

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a there it is. Vexual Difficulty 129,782.79 next 354,280.61

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thats a big jump

07:10

iirc it was dropping towards 50k in march

07:11

that makes me feel good about unspent 3xx blox

07:11

!up belcher

07:11

Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.

07:12

Vexual yeah it's quite unlike the typical scamcoin

07:12

its diff graph hasn't become monotonous yet.

07:13

29571 block

07:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0

07:13

Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube

07:14

!up Vexual

07:14

Voicing Vexual for 30 minutes.

07:15

ty

07:16

Dogecoin 1.6 Download ~ MANDATORY Update

07:16

lol @ these idiots. mandatory eh ? no i mean MANDATORY

07:19

hi all

07:21

heya

07:23

I bought a 1TH mining contract to get some ATC, but seems like the guy screwed me

07:23

paypal chargeback!

07:24

ew

07:24

punkman: where'd you rent?

07:24

some random guy on ebay

07:24

wait, you paid, how'd he chargeback you

07:24

I will chargeback him

07:24

a a

07:24

because it's been like a month

07:25

ah ok

07:25

did he at least entertain you periodically with stories ?

07:26

nah

07:26

cazalla

indians are good that way, their relatives are always in hospital

07:26

moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears

07:28

a cookieoff!

07:28

fluffypony what does she do btw ? homemaking ?

07:29

lol no, she'd rather die

07:29

awww

07:29

she runs two of the business units in the group - salonsupplystore.co.za and sexybikinis.co.za

07:29

o hey.

07:30

http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/

↖

07:30

The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)

07:31

basically everything the mises circle releases paints them more like pretentious ignoramuses.

↖

07:32

leaving aside for a second their complete inability TO FUCKING QUOTE.

07:32

what is the mises circle? investor group?

07:32

fluffypony nah, some academia derps who'd like to you know, matter.

07:32

lol

07:32

roughly the equivalent of the vc circuit making "bitcoin finance" cons and "bitcoin foundations" and whatnot.

07:33

The Mises Circle was founded in January 2012 by Michael Goldstein, George McHugh, and Jose Niño, to provide a forum for scholarship in the Austrian economic tradition at the University of Texas at Austin.

07:33

basically a student newspaper.

07:34

LOL

07:34

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmGF30fCIAAAmYt.jpg

07:35

I fail to see what's wrong with the article

07:35

though it's only obvious things

07:36

obvious isn't exactly obvious for altcoiners

07:37

pankkake the notion that altcoins "will die", for instance.

07:37

it's not unlike to german heer derping about how tanks will make infantry obsolete.

07:37

that can't happen. a tank needs cover.

07:38

they'll be increasingly less relevant, not more

07:38

their relevancy will wax and wane with government activity.

07:39

what does that even mean?

07:39

the more govts derp, the more relevant they become. the less govts derp, the more they seem to fade.

07:40

anyway, basically that entire article is a poor rewrite of trilema material, by people who aren't quite smart enough or informed enough to be doing it.

07:41

cheifly, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/

07:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22955 @ 0.00094427 = 21.6757 BTC [-] {2}

07:43

simple thermodynamics: altcoins exist, so some non-zero value must be in them.

07:44

…

07:44

pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people?

07:45

what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks

07:45

ok so

07:45

I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today

07:45

people are also stupid - I've had an argument with a friend in Cape Town who was considering accepting crypto at his store

07:45

physical store

07:45

and he goes "I'm going to accept Litecoin because it confirms faster, I don't want to keep customers waiting for Bitcoin confirmations"

07:45

please…

07:46

exactly

07:46

lol

07:46

<pankkake> what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks << no, i was discussing in general.

07:46

ltc is not a simple fork

07:47

if people want do discuss "simple forks of bitcoin" they're well advised to make their title read "simple forks of bitcoin"

07:49

lol - so apparently now everyone's a government plant - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.980

07:49

"Danny = British gubmint. Ukyo = US gubmint. Mark = French gubmint."

07:50

"Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint"

07:50

romania has a gubmint ?!

07:51

apparently

07:51

and you're their plant

07:51

to manipulatez the cryptoz

07:51

clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant

07:51

hey, i guess romania wins then.

07:52

Even beyond these political and economic incentives, there is a process of cultural dekulakization: look no further than the young poor Whites who now call each other nigga.

07:52

i do confess this always strikes me as quite amusing.

07:53

i figure someone somewhere is definitely rubbing one off to the sound of white chattel going "ma nigga!"

07:53

I can see Justin Timberlake doing that

07:55

did pankkake ragequit !?

07:55

yes

07:56

but...why

08:00

!up equex

08:00

Voicing equex for 30 minutes.

08:01

mircea_popescu: "[13:45:19] <+pankkake> I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today"

08:01

that's why

08:01

uh

08:01

dude that wasn't so much of a try.

08:02

such hate.

08:03

well if anyone wants to pick it up...

08:04

ya know, maybe altcoins will eventually be like those in-store reward credits you get

08:04

more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit

08:04

definitely will be some like that.

08:05

what are your thoughts on altcoins, mircea_popescu?

08:06

pls deposit 1000 trilema credits for answer

08:07

lol

08:07

thestringpuller: Credits: 49985.

08:07

I have enough to cover it

08:07

wasn't i defending litecoin earlier on the grounds that it's good to have ?

08:07

i don't like obvious scams, a la doge / aurora / keisercoin / what have you

08:07

otherwise altcoins are a strategic imperative.

08:07

yeah

08:15

now that TAT is out of MPIF, who is going to be the spread manager?

08:16

bobby lee has been proposed for "election" to bitcoin foundation board

08:16

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/916-industry-candidate-bobby-lee/

08:16

who's bobby lee?

08:16

god they're still going on about redlisting

08:16

head of BTC China

08:17

peterl: from BTC-China

08:19

peterl jurov, was announced yest

08:19

wasn't btc banned in china ?

08:19

several times

08:19

it's beyond me what the chinese are doing buying this crap

08:19

even if it is pretty cheap.

08:20

somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch

08:20

afaik bobby lee is a comedian, but anyway.

08:21

well, there's the government, and there's getting things done. the chinese appear to be quite used to the former getting in the way of the latter.

08:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00094668 = 17.2977 BTC [+]

08:23

on the plus side it's make things more international, the foundation being very US-centric is a common criticism

08:23

*it'd

08:24

bounce i put an order in.

08:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00094935 = 14.7624 BTC [+]

08:31

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0321 = 0.2568 BTC [-]

08:31

morning lolz

08:31

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6405427#msg6405427

08:31

Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]

08:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094668 = 9.1355 BTC [-]

08:34

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0692 = 0.346 BTC [-]

08:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [+]

08:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8255 @ 0.00094668 = 7.8148 BTC [-]

08:41

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0326 = 0.2282 BTC [+]

08:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00095057 = 7.2243 BTC [+] {2}

08:51

“Bitcoin protocol is like an app store and Bitcoin is an app. Right now developers like us are pioneering new financial tools and utilities that are going to be added to the 'app store' – financial services like escrow and contracts.”

08:51

wow plz gief 1st escrow service ever

08:52

dunno if anyone heard of these comtracks either?

08:52

http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/53447/newnote-financial-pioneering-crypto-currency-transactions-as-online-currencies-set-to-change-the-face-of-money-53447.html

08:52

Newnote Financial: pioneering crypto-currency transactions as online currencies set to change the fa

08:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18388 @ 0.00095082 = 17.4837 BTC [+] {2}

08:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]

08:58

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]

08:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

09:00

kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them!

09:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]

09:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04230001 = 0.2115 BTC [-] {3}

09:01

HeySteve: "6 or 7 terahashes" - so like two ASICs?

09:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2}

09:01

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]

09:01

why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that?

09:01

i dunno if you have been following the thread, but so far he spent more time typing out "im sorry theres no financial will do them asap" than it would took to actually make them

09:02

kakobrekla: lol

09:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.042 = 0.462 BTC [-] {3}

09:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325995 = 0.1956 BTC [-] {2}

09:05

bounce ask and ye shall receive :

09:05

http://trilema.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/

09:05

Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:05

nice, now we need the t-shirt

09:06

HeySteve no way, moar innovative first ever etc ?

09:06

t shirt should say "the first, the biggest, the best." nubbins` go!

09:07

I think I'm just noticing too many Bitcoin people talk like Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley. CryptoAIDS, etc.

09:07

;;google gavin belson

09:07

Gavin Belson: Bio l Silicon Valley l HBO - HBO.com: <http://www.hbo.com/silicon-valley/cast-and-crew/matt-ross/bio/gavin-belson.html>; 'Silicon Valley' review: Definitely a start-up to watch | NJ.com: <http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2014/04/silicon_valley_review_hbo_thomas_middleditch_mike_judge.html>; Mike Judge's Uncanny Silicon Valley | TechCrunch: (1 more message)

09:08

what is this even

09:09

it's a TV show about a startup in silicon valley

09:09

it's not very funny but has its moments. reddit was shouting to the moon because bitcoin was mentioned in last episode

09:10

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728×90.png is brokened

09:11

so is the 468x60

09:11

that banner is hurting eyes

09:13

<+fluffypony> why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? <-another syngeristic enterprise they're incorporating to save children from cancer is growing pot for SR 2.0 under lights in the basement. just my guess

09:13

smart

09:13

drukz+bitcoinz all in one investment "vehicle"

09:13

well mind you they're in canada

09:13

CannaBit 2.0

09:13

some places that's legal there, so who knows

09:14

take t his http://i.imgur.com/0WZIZv8.png and change "Platinum" to "Anti" or something

09:14

and now, for the actual article i was writing : http://trilema.com/2014/gloria/

09:14

you gotta see this movie.

09:14

fluffypony looking into ty

09:14

that i would put on #b-a.com

09:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

09:14

"Platiscam"

09:17

-468×60.png

09:17

ffs.

09:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]

09:18

fluffypony pls to check nao ?

09:18

ok

09:18

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00020918 = 0.2092 BTC [-]

09:19

she's alive!

09:19

which is your blog again ?

09:20

blog.spagni.net

09:21

i think it's still broked

09:22

http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728x90.png

09:22

works

09:22

http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-468x60.png

09:22

works as well

09:22

aftermewn :D

09:22

moiety of the cookie factory!

09:22

<fluffypony> moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears << win! how did they go? what kind did she make and has she ever tried shortbread? also can i just say whats wrong with homemaking? D: i don't feel like this would be bad if I were producing things around the house/garden and i could try and make things online.

09:22

o there you are

09:22

lol

09:23

moiety: she made choc chip cookies

09:23

I ate one before it cooled, so it was crumbly

09:23

but delicious

09:23

remind me to the banner my ex-boss has put on the building

09:23

http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-99331 << added you to teh list

09:23

People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

09:24

!up SatoshiJack

09:24

Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.

09:24

"This project was not funded by Europen Union"

09:24

<mircea_popescu> [...]The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) << aw fuck, don't make me go into magic gathering cards now, i just made this thing work.

09:24

jurov lol

09:24

moiety you made what work!

09:24

mircea_popescu: cool tks

09:25

fluffypony: well most baked things are better just out of the oven, i have another pic! one sec

09:25

if pankkake isn't too pissed off maybe he also adds you to the assimilation

09:25

mircea_popescu, I have an article coming up you can add also

09:25

mircea_popescu: well apart from the derpage, the doge site is ticking over (sorry for the expletive :P)

09:26

HeySteve link it

09:26

mentions #bitcoin-assets and has some quotes here about that f2f thing

09:26

Brownies!!! Warm right after bakerage! http://i.imgur.com/HHRZSSR.jpg

09:26

I will, just waiting on publishing queue

09:26

HeySteve the list is you know, of bitcoin/personal blogs maintained by the locals

09:26

SatoshiJack

We have made some good progress over the week -- we are now up with atc -- and doing manual processing for withdraws for now.

09:27

moiety you got any atc /

09:27

?

09:27

no i just passed out the website link a lot when people were looking for something

09:27

i dont have any alts at all for personal use

09:27

hm.

09:28

for why?

09:28

for i have a deal for you! you go gamble on that site, if you win we split the gains.

09:29

SatoshiJack mind crediting her 10k atc ? i'll reimburse you when either pankkake or BingoBoingo get online.

09:29

oh its atc? i thought it was alts in general

09:29

mircea_popescu ok it's not my personal blog, there's other people there too

09:29

but it's always about bitcoin stuff

09:29

SatoshiJack

no prob... there is free play as well --- give me an atc addy and I'll loan anyone 5K to play right now :)

09:29

im hideously unlucky, i'm not risking losing anything for you!

09:29

moiety hit it baby.

09:29

SatoshiJack

loan = give in this place

09:30

http://spagni.net/images/bf-scam-250x250.png

09:30

fluffypony add it as a comment ?

09:30

mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions

09:32

SatoshiJack: 1HgZrzrURJkGCQGeY23NzXGRRALdT9qfeX

09:32

who wrote this thing?

09:34

Dogecoin is the highest form of satire. << lolol

09:38

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [-] {2}

09:38

what site is this we are talking about re atc anyways

09:38

satoshijack.com

09:39

ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino.

09:39

\o.

09:39

if you're still maintaining that thread or w/e

09:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00095107 = 15.0745 BTC [+]

09:45

do you guys think it's useful to have a special wallet that automatically divides payments up into apportioned shares to a bunch of wallets it sends on to?

09:46

useful for what ?

09:47

I don't know, maybe donations or payments depending how the co. is set up

09:49

well if you don't know what for, it can't possibly be useful

09:50

meanwhile in the us, Engineer = 1900 Can build a bridge ; 1960 Can assemble computer from parts ; 1995 Knows how to compile kernel ; 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery

09:50

urgh QTs do not like me... ever

09:51

davout https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmFHv-LCMAAnyw2.png

09:51

ok let's say people have a pre-existing arrangement to divide all BTC income. instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it, it goes to this service (which hopefully we don't need to trust)

09:51

you missed a 2000 Learns to make animated GIFs for his Geocities homepage

09:51

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmJQEVMCIAAKe8h.png << apparently people break up in spring.

09:52

hence "spring break"

09:52

lol - will.je.suis

09:52

Azelphur

!up CheckDavid

09:52

Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.

09:53

HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem

09:53

how is it the solution ?

09:53

Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet

09:54

or 4 of 5 if you're worried someone might die

09:54

i think this is not the model he wants to achieve

09:54

i can;t imagine a situation where the splitting of the coin is the point of failure.

09:54

without additionnal details we can only speculate, but it seems to me he wants to divide it so that each party can use their coins

09:55

irrespective of what the other do (or rather do not) sign

09:55

HeySteve: mining pools do it since forever, no?

09:56

" instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it,"

09:56

except p2pool, the pool operator is trusted jurov afaik

09:56

jurov do you know how they do it? I'm guessing it's a bit of clever code but not necessarily something the regular user could use

09:56

I will know more when the guy publishes it

09:57

it depends what is the income from

09:57

don't have much more detail at this point

09:58

if the service is trustworthy, it could lower busywork for the treasurer of projects for eg.

10:00

How does one become trusted by assbot ?

10:00

Like. Directly?

10:01

Is it controlled by the creator?

10:01

CheckDavid there's no clear process as of yet. why ?

10:01

Pure curiosity

10:01

CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

10:02

you can !up yourself if you're in assbot's L2 trust

10:02

I know

10:02

lol "spring clean" breakups. probably bitter chicks that got nothing on valentines day.

10:02

he asks how to get into direct trust with assbot

10:02

CheckDavid: ah ok sorry, thought that's what you were alluding to

10:03

:)

10:03

CheckDavid prolly there's going to be a panel o nthe next conference where we sit down and see if anyone needs to be added/removed.

10:03

I see.

10:04

moiety nothing like no nookie or like no cookie ?

10:05

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [-]

10:05

lol probably for some. the christmas one is true, my ex would disappear for weeks over christmas and birthdays so he didnt have to get me anything

10:06

basically it works on bribes atm.

10:06

moiety wow.

10:06

omg kakobrekla selling dignities

10:06

church said is ok.

10:07

you know that means we eat you right ?

10:07

you know im not going to the next conf right ?

10:07

aw come on!

10:07

eleventy

10:08

kakobrekla needs amphibious car

10:09

lol

10:09

kakobrekla what if you die before you see the sexy midgets of patagonia ?

10:09

mircea_popescu: 1900 Can build a bridge... 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery << lolll!

10:10

So if someone has l2 trust relative to assbot

10:10

And adds someone to their trust list

10:10

That someone is l3 ?

10:10

so i think i've reached a new low. i'm starving but too lazy to either make anything or order someone to make something or order a car to go to eat out or any other alternative.

10:10

i guess i lose weight.

10:10

CheckDavid yes

10:10

CheckDavid: yes, but only up to l2 can voice themself

10:11

mircea_popescu Gödelian diet

10:11

inb4 mircea_popescu orders soylent

10:11

I like NotLambChop

10:11

So only those who have l1 can afford l2 trust to someone

10:11

CheckDavid yes

10:11

:o

10:11

asciilifeform is it ? srsly ? jurov nah, i could have boobmilk but meh. too sweet.

10:12

mircea_popescu: it is times like these you should have raw-edible foods on hand

10:12

i do

10:12

too lazy to fucking chew

10:12

mircea_popescu: do we have to get you a usb toaster?

10:13

i have almonds walnuts hazels bananas oranges apples and etfc.

10:13

moiety how'd that help with chewing?

10:13

i just read that bit

10:13

usb blender?

10:13

i also have various cakes, and milk

10:13

i can't be bothered to drink milk. i think maybe the issue is, i've been overfeeding myself

10:14

you need some IV nutrients?

10:14

i'll just ride it out, see what happens.

10:14

i get like that when ive been grazing too much. don't get up the want for an actual meal

10:14

wait, you're an actual cow ?!

10:15

moooo :D

10:15

mircea_popescu: over here we have these special foods for people too lazy to eat (or, nominally, athletes) - little bars made of a substance resembling cat food

10:15

asciilifeform i have a stack of hand made pralines, those count ?

10:15

nah pralines are tasty

10:16

http://31.media.tumblr.com/36033ac327aad7f5394f98f388a08d0c/tumblr_n301tyDIx51spqhnio1_500.jpg

10:18

lol

10:18

over hear when I'm too lazy to eat I pour myself a beer

10:18

it's like a loaf of bread

10:18

but without chewing

10:18

dude my eyes D;

10:18

only if it is good beer

10:18

moiety what, she's got great teats.

10:19

guiness is like a meal. i can't handle it

10:19

she has udders mircea_popescu

10:19

moiety: that's what makes it so perfect :)

10:19

<asciilifeform> kakobrekla needs amphibious car <- is this some weird rehash of golf cart joke ?

10:19

fluffypony: half a pint and i feel like i have drunk bricks

10:19

Age: 23, Height: 5ft 5in (165 cm), Weight: 317 lbs.

10:19

this must be a misprint

10:20

you get a funny moustache though :{D

10:20

moiety: as long as you don't shit bricks it's fine

10:20

;;google midgets of patagonia

10:20

Patagonia Rock Climbing Ambassador Kate Rutherford: <http://www.patagonia.com/us/ambassadors/rock-climbing/kate-rutherford/73355>; Translation of midget in German - Vocabulix: <http://www.vocabulix.com/translation/german/midget.html>; Patagonia Snow: Built for the Deepest Days - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5iHSOmAzIM>

10:21

no but makes me look a bit pregnant which doesn't go down so well in a drinking situation fluffypony XD

10:21

lol

10:21

moiety should go to next meetup, pet colocolos

10:22

those dont seem to famous mircea_popescu .

10:22

then convince mp to go kazahstan next year - pet manul

10:22

too*

10:22

totally tastes heavy too .. just urgh. craft ipa's ftw!

10:22

kakobrekla the... moderately famous midgets of patagonia ?

10:22

re conf : i was so jealous of your pics! looked fun D;

10:23

asciilifeform id take the nuke sub ride if you come around making one.

10:23

anyway, you ever did a black woman ? how about a creole woman ? how about etc.

10:23

gotta live to shit on each continent, i say.

10:23

i did europe, africa and asia so far... north and i guess central america.

10:23

*

moiety version - live to pet a native cat on each continent*

10:24

i dunno, the next continent i would hope would be on another planet

10:24

i visit*

10:24

kakobrekla: have you applied to mars one?

10:24

put it together.

10:24

hard to pet native cat in... australia

10:25

moiety lets have the waters tested first.

10:25

;;google australia native kitten

10:25

Feral cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_cat>; The Great Australian Cat Dilemma - Messybeast: <http://messybeast.com/ausdilemma.htm>; Cats and Wildlife - Good Cat SA: <http://goodcatsa.com/pages/cats-and-wildlife>

10:25

i'd take a domestic that's lived all its life there asciilifeform

10:25

antarctica?

10:25

now wait .. i think there is something there jurov

10:25

but i guess moiety'll gladly accept a penguin instead

10:26

i may be thinking of a fox but hang on

10:26

and yes, entirely true jurov

10:26

;;google true penguin

10:26

Nine Insane (But True) Penguin Facts | Animal-Free Entertainment ...: <http://www.peta.org/living/entertainment/penguin-facts/>; Pierre the Penguin: A True Story: Jean Marzollo, Laura Regan ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Pierre-Penguin-A-True-Story/dp/1585364851>; Explorer returns to emperor penguin colony in search of a true count: (1 more message)

10:26

;;google true penguin extinct

10:26

True Penguins Are All Extinct - KnowledgeNuts: <http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/03/09/true-penguins-are-all-extinct/>; Pikas, Polar Bears, Penguins Go Extinct | Real Science: <http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/pikas-polar-bears-penguins-go-extinct/>; Are penguins extinct - Wiki Answers: <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_penguins_extinct>

10:27

yeah well 99% or so of all species ever existed are gone

10:28

yeahhh imma have to make do with a small fox in antarctica the cats that have been there were only visiting http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/antarctic.html

10:29

kakobrekla: sub << http://www.grawsome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sleeping-Walrus-2.jpg

10:30

is he gonna bill him for wrong parking or what

10:30

http://usvsth3m.com/post/56329159173/sleepy-walrus-on-a-russian-submarine

10:30

Sleepy walrus on a Russian submarine - Us Vs Th3m

10:31

'comrade walrus is ready for Captains table'

10:31

sub's gonna need wheels, so we can pick up mp

10:32

fuck you, i'm a dragon.

10:32

i fly.

10:32

lol, then we've got our ride.

10:32

i thought the lions always wins

10:32

a manticore is kinda like a lion-dragon

10:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18496 @ 0.00094668 = 17.5098 BTC [-]

10:40

what's an old uboat cost, anyway.

10:40

;;google alibaba old uboat

10:41

Poznań - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84>; Popular U Boat Xxi | Aliexpress: <http://www.aliexpress.com/popular/u-boat-xxi.html>; Used Kayak, Used Kayak Products, Used Kayak ... - Alibaba.com: <http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/used-kayak.html>

10:41

fund with miners (seawater cooling)

10:41

diesel elec is expensive.

10:43

*

asciilifeform wonders if there ever lived a boy who didn't want uboat

10:43

that's not bad, $28 - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Alice-papermodel-WWII-German-U-Boat-model-U-BOOT-XXI-submarine-model-ship-model-military/343765571.html

10:43

well, post-1920

10:43

:-P

10:44

*

jurov wonders abut range on batteries

10:44

I remember making a TNG Enterprise paper model

10:44

was so messy

10:45

incidentally, interesting historical figure, largely unknown in english world - captain marinesko.

10:45

use nuclear powered sumarine to power miners?

10:45

peterl: i suggested this once. free electric, cooling.

10:46

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2008/April/Pages/AntiSub2301.aspx they quote $200-300mil

10:47

jurov: about same cost as a three-story office in palo alto.

10:47

or on cyprus lol...maybe danny bought one

10:47

<mircea_popescu> fuck you, i'm a dragon. << lol please bash this

10:48

moiety , time to learn how to bash

10:48

i did before! i wasnt accepted D;

10:48

blame it on the mods

10:49

he means blame it on kako

10:49

there are other mods

10:49

*

jurov hides

10:49

kakobrekla ircing lcc is no loger liable for any past or present action or involved in the moderation of this project in any way. it is fully in withing the rigts of kakobrekla ircing lcc to blame it on the mods.

10:50

haha

10:50

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1798684/plain/)

10:50

!b 2

10:50

<jurov> there are other mods // I know

10:50

ok im pending

10:51

damn, the way you did it is a bit easier

10:52

asciilifeform is he that romanian dude that sunk a german ship ?

10:53

ukrainian with a romanian sailor for a dad

10:54

lol is this where the Crimea bet comes from? http://games.usvsth3m.com/the-hobbit/title/2:%20Electric%20Boogaloo

10:54

http://imgur.com/a/KDwtE

10:54

How China Sinks Bitcoin - South Park Style - Imgur

10:54

bounce romanian with an ukrainian mother ?

10:55

``His father had fled to Russia after beating an officer'' -- such karma

10:56

born there, so, depends on the various laws involved

10:57

odessa is this russian town the romanians kept invading.

10:57

and also a place in Texas

10:58

filthy texan name stealers

10:58

I only know that from watching Heroes

10:58

(the russians got it from the ottomans, and before that i dont recall, prolly tatars)

10:58

before that greek, of course.

11:03

<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino. /// i sullied my boots and updated the forum

11:03

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Marinesko -- lots of drama

11:03

Alexander Marinesko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

11:03

however http://therealaltcoin.org/ seems to be down for some ungodly reason

11:04

http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/we-will-nationalise-oceans-eff-1.1590460#.U1vIdXV50Y4

11:04

We will nationalise oceans - EFF - Politics | IOL News | IOL.co.za

11:04

the whole website is an html file, so this should be interesting...

11:05

the electronic frontier foundation ?!

11:05

ThickAsThieves: how much did you pay for hosting?

11:05

"economic freedom fighters", proposing to "mine" the oceans and free them from fish!

11:06

our intellectual aristocracy in full roar

11:06

jurov i dunno, i think it's a namecheap package

11:06

If we nationalise it, then the people on the ground will benefit, not capitalists. These big companies come to Cape Town and they fish as much as they want and then when a normal or poor person goes to do the same, they are given a quota.

11:06

how true is that ?

11:06

so true, totally. because, capitalists are like, companies and shit.

11:07

They take a few thousand people, then they eat on our behalf, then they are telling us we are OK.

11:07

bounce well if it's true then the quotas have to go.

11:07

I'm reminded of that "computers are racist" thing

11:09

mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you

11:09

those quota are there so the next generation will still be able to fish. if they don't work, make'em work, not speed up the fish' extinction a bit.

11:10

thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys

11:10

so I'd say that the problem looks like corruption and that's got to go. but if you can't even name the problem accurately, then you're spouting nonsense.

11:10

bounce just take the quotas away, permit fishing only for people.

11:10

solves the problem, cause you can't fucking extinguish fisheries with a line

11:10

but you can feed yourself.

11:11

generally speaking, disallowing corporations from owning certain classes of goods is the way to go. currently persons may not own guns, various substances, etc.

11:12

this is silly. it should work the other way around : no corporation may own real estate or any foodstuffs

11:12

suddenly you don't need zoning laws anymore.

11:12

ThickAsThieves: do i have to make my own config file for atc? im not an alt person at all

11:12

it'd be a neat idea if it worked. but now we have a million fishermen fishing for delivery to bigger companies. oversight goes down, quality of fish goes down, loss goes up, total fishing goes up

11:12

ok site works now

11:12

dunno what was up

11:12

i just logged in

11:12

:/

11:12

bounce there's no corp that may take delivery of fish.

11:13

moiety you'll probably wanna use a pool

11:13

there are two i know of

11:13

i just want to qt to sync

11:13

"corporation" also includes the lone fisherman incorporating his boat for tax and financing reasons. you'd also have to amend tax codes and whatnot.

11:13

oh you need a node then

11:14

we have a channel #altcoin

11:14

bounce sure. no tax on either these classes.

11:14

and pankakke is better at support than me, i'll look at my config though

11:14

Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118

11:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00094636 = 16.8925 BTC [-] {2}

11:14

ty!

11:14

ty!

11:16

interesting though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can take delivery of fish? that's no fish exports, no fish in the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on.

11:17

bounce unless it's a person run restaurant.

11:17

so now the cook and the maitre'd are no longer working for the same boss

11:17

anyway, from what i understand, the problem there specifically is that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning them

11:17

restricting access to essentials would allow a softer transition.

11:17

ie, they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant

11:18

but this is cape town, where western style business has been around for how long?

11:18

they just try to get enough food on the table.

11:18

you mean around among whites ?

11:18

afaik (and i have no clue, so don't be shy in disabusing me of false notions) it never happened among black people.

11:19

this is something for fluffypony to eludiate, I think. whites have been out and about there for a while, true enough.

11:19

anyway, the general point im proceeding from is that their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes their own dumb heads. the solution of pushing things further up the chain, through nationalisation (giving it to the state, the largest corp of them all) is exactly wrong

11:19

should go the other way

11:19

*

fluffypony reads up

11:20

that I'll agree with. but that's politics, and we already more or less established that the politics of there are a bit fscked up

11:20

tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town

11:20

they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats

11:21

fluffypony but how much of the caught fish is caught by their little tug boats, as a % ?

11:21

more than say about 15% ?

11:21

and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught

11:22

re: corps owning guns :: in the US there is a well-known loophole around the background check laws - if the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no transfer papers are needed, and the corp owns the gun

11:22

there are a number of fishing communities like that

11:22

Therefore in the US corporations are priviledged to share guns as they see fit, people are not

11:22

so assign the gun to an llc and pass that around instead?

11:23

decimation exactly my point.

11:23

bounce most rich people with a large gun stash and tax attorney have a gun llc

11:23

sorry internet died

11:23

well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits

11:23

or a trust

11:23

SatoshiJack.com Casino link added to therealaltcoin.org, thread updated as well!

11:23

decimation yeah that gets into various local details. same principle tho.

11:24

"rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get the gun as a perquisite

11:24

that doesn't work afaik

11:24

in fact, perfectly reasonable things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared this way, because non-licensed people cannot trade them at all

11:25

so, you and your son want to plink with .22 but don't want to blow out ears: must form gun corp

11:25

fluffypony so whyd they be complaining to you, or what'd that do.

11:25

mircea_popescu: you become friends with them

11:25

you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish

11:25

they seem reasonably content

11:26

i get the concept

11:26

might ask them what they think about this "eff" bunch and their position

11:26

the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6

11:26

but still " I never had any of them complain" is a weak counter

11:26

like you get taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths to add stuff up

11:26

fluffypony well that's what i said. they get outcompeted. cause stupid.

11:26

it still smells like cheap populism to me, but there could be a bigger point buried under the poor rhetoric

11:26

mircea_popescu: it goes further though

11:27

because the government's "solution" post-1994 to the white management class

11:27

was to enforce BEE rules

11:27

no idea what bee is

11:27

Black Economic Empowerment

11:27

affirmative action

11:27

you mean that nut that took over rhodesia ?

11:27

so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped to managed, who were NOT educated

11:28

how's the schooling situation now then?

11:28

for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business

11:28

yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers the shit they did "post colonialism" makes any sense.

11:28

government threatened to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant

11:28

he took his gardener on as a business partner

11:28

and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents

11:29

gardener gets a nice salary

11:29

but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest

11:29

and wants to "manage" and get more money

11:29

which leads to the company imploding, obviously

11:29

what's the difference between these bee rules and the local mafia demanding payment to not ruin your business?

11:29

this is so ridiculous. the same principle displayed at work in disgrace, the malkovich film

11:30

decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"

11:30

which is what it's done

11:30

decimation that the mafia works in a white majority, trying to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority

11:30

black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance

11:30

well, because all the white liberals worldwide thought that if you just gave blacks the whip hand everything would work out

11:30

whereas the bee stuff works in a black majority, trying to redistribute the revenue of the whites more towards the majority

11:30

instead of creating apocolypse now

11:31

and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard

11:31

it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy

11:31

yeah the blacks willing to make something themselves are probably the most screwed

11:31

basically it tries for a saudi arabia

11:31

just like in the US

11:31

except instead of oil... it's suckers.

11:32

also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job

11:32

the model is unsurprisingly pushed by the us, seeing how sa was their only ally for a long time.

11:32

I'm talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff

11:32

absolutely. SA is now living the American dream

11:32

so then you have a brain-drain situation

11:32

where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors"

11:32

just like Rhodesia, Congo, etc

11:33

Liberia was the old American dream

11:33

and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree

11:33

fluffypony as you describe it, the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women to be transported for sex work or somesuch.

11:33

basically... they've got africa back to 1700.

11:33

so government healthcare just gets progressively worse

11:33

lol

11:33

they would probably go willingly if you paid their visa and airfare to somewhere civilized

11:33

decimation no, because they're too stupid to figure it out.

11:34

gotta buy them from the tribe chieftain.

11:34

true; those with that gumption are already gone

11:34

easier, faster, less gab.

11:34

it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm

11:34

the only reason this isn't happening right now is that, of course, a nude teenager is not worth money, generally speaking.

11:34

(mixed black/white/coloured etc.)

11:35

so I think the over-correction is normalising

11:35

fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ? things even out

11:35

and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country

11:35

yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and things will even out a lot

11:35

assuming they don't fuck it all up in the interim

11:36

you ever seen disgrace, btw ? the movie.

11:36

yes - the book is also excellent

11:38

how accurate would you say the backdrop is ?

11:40

pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)

11:40

heh. you should like a saudi arabia of suckers. high quality chumpatron at state level.

11:41

re: black fat cats in SA: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/10510455/Nelson-Mandela-memorial-interpreter-was-a-fake.html

11:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00094751 = 21.319 BTC [+] {2}

11:41

farmers typically kept dogs (or geese) for alarm bells

11:41

my favorite SA movie: Zulu

11:42

bounce: yep, but when you've got 20 guys who are poverty-stricken, desperate, and armed...well...

11:42

by the time the police arrive it's all over

11:44

hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge. how hard is it to actually start a farm (first small, then decent-sized) legally?

11:45

bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space

11:45

what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers

11:45

at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed)

11:46

then they portion it up

11:46

and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves

11:46

and they give them a ton of education on farm management etc.

11:46

plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys

11:48

the problem is that a lot of the poor in urban areas just beg at robots

11:48

sorry traffic lights, we call them robots

11:48

or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done

11:48

<bounce> hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge <<< it's not the knowledge. it's the attitude.

11:49

look at all the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny

11:49

and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort?

11:49

they think they know shit, is the problem, and they don't see why they should put inb the hard work of reading the logs for a year.

11:49

exactly.

11:50

well, and their government doesn't exactly work hard to dibuse them of the notion that they need to depend on them for handouts

11:50

and if you do what romania did with the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth

11:50

ie, send them to work camps

11:50

it'll look a little nazi in sa.

11:51

decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED* them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise

11:51

logs arent the magic cure

11:51

i bet you they are.

11:51

and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that

11:51

i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid.

11:51

xapo.

11:51

now pay up

11:51

lawl xapo

11:52

in fact, no WC in the world would be as close.

11:52

ooops i mean vc.

11:52

kakobrekla how does xapo disprove anything ?

11:52

im pretty sure i dont have to explain it.

11:53

is your thesis that wences has been reading the logs or what ?

11:53

more or less

11:54

befre he left ofc

11:54

;;seen wences

11:54

wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?

11:54

1 year ago this chan was not 1 year old.

11:54

he was here for a little bit, but it was weeks really iirc.

11:55

so you are saying like one should read the new testament and not the old :D

11:55

"gaining IQ by reading", huh. magic!

11:55

all this aside : the guy made lemon and sold it out. then is making xapo

11:55

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

11:55

this does not compare to your average bitcoin stupid in any sense.

11:55

bounce it's a fact. there's 30 to 35 iq points buried in there.

11:56

myea arite

11:56

anyway, the "hypothetically speaking" was there to say I wanted to know whether there were any real obstacles for those willing -- that many aren't willing we already know.

11:56

http://i.imgur.com/04EQtM6.gif

11:56

(don't be too smart reading this magic text, you might go off the scale!)

11:56

*

fluffypony ponders

11:56

bounce it just tapers out

11:57

that thing with the land giveaway, worked well enough for those in the program then?

11:57

bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else

11:57

epic

11:57

but generally speaking it's working ok

11:58

but those guys that want to work hard are the minority

11:58

your words shock me.

11:59

I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts

11:59

in my experience it's usually the women that want to work hard

12:00

with the men wanting to talk loudly.

12:00

very true

12:00

to the point that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists" to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough *sigh*)

12:00

lots of families where the wife is a maid, and the husband does nothing

12:00

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.60965290 BTC to 7`243 shares, 36030 satoshi per share

12:03

this is historically and geographically stable, too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing the exact same problem

12:04

<+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch /// check out my new footer logo! http://devilsadvocate.biz/

12:05

lol

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]

12:10

:)

12:10

benkay: werd

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

12:12

re: democracy encouraging laziness: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/americas-crisis-of-political-legitimacy "

12:12

In response to the question of whether the current government has the consent of the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.? The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes. These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers that many of the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on the left, denying the legitimacy of a government that does not do more for them.

12:13

what's that, fluffypony ?

12:14

benkay: it's like word but with an e

12:14

:-P

12:15

i'm entirely competent with the slang, fluffypony, it's the meaning and significance that's escaping me.

12:15

;;later tell mircea_popescu of course i meant comprised thank you

12:15

The operation succeeded.

12:16

benkay: seemed more fun than saying hi :)

12:16

that man reads far too closely

12:17

i saw it too, but i was on my tablet hald asleep so didnt warn you ;)

12:17

half*

12:19

you sleep on your tablet?

12:20

its actually a book

12:20

yes i saw..not very good pillow either

12:20

;;later tell mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> that then makes two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed the one.

12:21

The operation succeeded.

12:21

meh, nothing to read on the forum

12:21

i broke the book cover btw

12:21

dropped it off a chair and now a piece chipped off

12:21

im out of excuses not to do work nao

12:22

yes ascii i already read your blog on monday. the whole.

12:26

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

12:27

ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion the trilema article too ?

12:28

ah what now?

12:28

http://trilema.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/#comment-99332

12:28

Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:29

ah

12:29

put a link to your banner in comment section

12:29

open source hatebanner resoruce.

12:29

done

12:30

why ty.

12:30

no ty

12:31

yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over the matter

12:31

not your fault

12:31

just sayin

12:31

i make it my job to bother people exactly in this manner.

12:32

if you can live with it you can, if not you'll do something about it, but in no case can it be that you just... never knew.

12:32

oh nice anti-bitcoin foundation

12:32

it's a big problem

12:33

not just something that can be resolved in a moment

12:33

clearly.

12:33

and for most people... Too Big To Solve.

12:34

well that's just it, it's like deciding to get a sex change or some shit

12:34

an apt analogy huh.

12:34

yeah, it is.

12:34

yep exactly like it on so many levels

12:35

except moving from your home doesn't you know isn't irreversible

12:35

-doesn't*

12:35

well you can split hairs

12:36

but it really is upheaval, expense, it affects everyone you care about

12:36

etc

12:36

the time away from home is irretrievable

12:36

and if you do it right, it is not reversible

12:36

ThickAsThieves: you got kids

12:36

?*

12:37

not yet

12:37

also a factor though

12:37

then how deep can your roots really go?

12:37

also why not spread seeds everywhere

12:37

own property international...

12:37

well i have a wife, and we each have families

12:38

USG is not a fan of international property ownership

12:38

we have properties, businesses, careers

12:38

fuck, even have cats is an issue

12:38

having

12:38

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Reminds-Those-with-Foreign-Assets-of-U.S.-Tax-Obligations

12:38

"Perhaps if this had happened 10 years earlier."

12:38

IRS Reminds Those with Foreign Assets of U.S. Tax Obligations

12:38

I what this sounds like.

12:38

Is*

12:39

corporations can be international though; that's cool

12:39

if i were single i'd be leaving already, sure

12:39

man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit.

12:39

that was 8 years ago

12:39

so sure

12:39

but 8 years ago i had nothing

12:39

a Jeep and a dream

12:40

8 years ago i had already just left my home state

12:40

10*

12:41

bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;)

12:43

lol i didnt even see the BTC Foundation article

12:43

ThickAsThieves: so you when does TaTI go international?

12:43

those are some horrible banners indeed!

12:43

damn I can't type today

12:43

thestringpuller, what you seem to have missed,

12:43

is that TATI does not and cannot exist

12:44

oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-26-20-bizarre-apartheid-moments

12:44

Just because something does not and cannot exist, does not mean that it doesn't need to exist.

12:44

You are merely a NOC agent in Bitcoin's war on fiat.

12:45

your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get the gist

12:47

It's akin to being a spy in war time no? You technically can't exist, as a spy, thus you parade around like a normal individual.

12:48

Your mission is necessary despite whether or not it is officially condoned...

12:48

i think youve abstracted all application out of the topic

12:49

"The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.”

12:49

- PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981

12:50

how so?

12:50

fluffypony, I think this freedom / unfreedom thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like there are degrees of freedom and the balance shifted

12:52

HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.

12:56

fluffypony, sure, there's a difference here though in that the ANC tries to keep debate focused on these kinds of liberation narratives to justify its rule

12:56

it wasn't total unfreedom previously, that would imply slavery

13:00

HeySteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups

13:01

as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994

13:02

and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe

13:02

ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in the context of electoral politics, this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day

13:03

it's not the same as the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about the victory of one faction over another which is used to bolster support for the current ruling party

13:03

sure, everything can be politicised or used to achieve politically motivated ends

13:04

yeah. I would like to see Service Delivery Day instead is all :P

13:04

lol

13:05

[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC

13:13

here's that F2F contract thing I mentioned earlier: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/one-simple-trick-secure-face-to-face-bitcoin-trades/2014/04/26

13:14

<bounce> man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit. << aww!

13:15

I mention bitcoin-assets in there as a good place to test ideas and such

13:15

jewish speaking ? he means idish or hebrew ?

13:16

"jewish", you heard the man

13:16

mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference

13:16

<bounce> and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<< this was a) never false and b) not currently true.

13:17

previously it was educated yet stupid white men doing stupid things. now, well, undereducated black people doing stupid things?

13:17

bounce: spot on

13:18

fundnation lol.

13:19

moar like fudge-ation

13:19

"Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. "

13:20

i think this is actually quite brilliant. make it illegal to have a mob[ile vulgus]

13:20

before 1914 you could travel all of europe without much of any papers. now, you can be locally born and raised yet get thrown in alien detention for not carrying papers. I'd say it's currently true.

13:20

co

13:20

communist romania had similar regulations. you couldn't just herpy-derp settle in town cause you felt like it.

13:20

bounce that's not factually true.

13:21

before 1914 when?

13:21

it's happened

13:21

before 1914 ie in the middle ages you could only travel if you were a journeyman, or in the service of a noble.

13:21

period.

13:21

before 1914 ie, after 1800, you could travel if you had a passeport.

13:21

somewhat laxer, but still.

13:22

otherwise, papers were always to be produced on demand, ever since la terreur.

13:24

!up jcorgan

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Voicing jcorgan for 30 minutes.

13:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12491 @ 0.00095118 = 11.8812 BTC [+] {2}

13:28

soo cex.io is doing this blogger.com spamblogs thing

13:30

https://us-amazon.icims.com/jobs/260282/sr.-software-engineer---master-mint-diecaster%2c-amazon-coins/job?mobile=false&width=894&height=1200&bga=true&needsRedirect=false

13:31

"If the crazy ride and popularity of Bitcoin makes you cackle like a mad-scientist, this is the place for you. "

13:31

Preferred Qualifications

13:31

Experience with web development (e.g. HTML, CSS, JS, jQuery, AJAX)

13:31

:)

13:31

http://www.d90d.co/images/20643-gianna-michaels.gif

13:32

"Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. "

13:32

well gee, Amazon, way to alienate some of your target demo

13:33

"We are excited by the challenging problems we face building a brand new concept of money and we are always thinking about how to redefine the way people think about the cheddar."

13:33

or, "We're feeling kinda fucked here, help!"

13:33

"650+ Search engine unique traffics by Google/Facebook/Twitter/Youtube/... for $1"

↖

13:34

some guy on twitter, " The amount of web traffic that is driven to those site links are the equivalent of Gold to these companies. In a digital world SEO is king. On top of this, the CoinDesk price index is what the foundation uses to charge its members and is generally accepted as the price by mainstream media."

13:34

yeah, totally. traffic is king.

13:34

lol

13:34

http://cexiomineritulfaraaparatura.blogspot.ro/ << i got 90 hits from this page past 24 hours.

13:34

no link to trilema anywhere.

13:34

very king.

13:35

http://castigabitcoin.blogspot.com/ << same deal.

13:35

Castiga Bitcoin fara sa cumperi aparatura fara sa folosesti calculatorul

13:35

it has that nice SEO speak too

13:35

"About CEX.io Mining for Bitcoin without equipment"

13:35

ayup.

13:36

http://sartorandcompany.com/ < check that out

13:36

Test Payday Loans Online to the Most Effective Approach to Borrow Dollars

13:36

somehow it sent 36 clicks to trilema. how ?

13:36

"buy traffic, set X domain as referer, hope noob webmaster actually links it somewhere"

13:37

weird, i'd say it was hidden by CSS or someshit, but it aint

13:37

http://clash-of-clans-hack-cheats-cheat.passionsofmyheart.com http://solidcheats.com/boom-beach-hack-tool/ http://solidcheats.com/samurai-siege-hack/ etc.

13:37

ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source

13:37

one of the advantages of trilema : i'm on everyone's spamlist. cause i write about games, about movies, about whores, about money... food, you name it

13:37

I think it's as mircea_popescu suggests - fake traffic with fake referrers

13:38

those 3 links above claim 14 clicks each. who's right here ? http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/ with 15

13:38

god it must suck.

13:38

lol

13:38

http://metalgearsolidgroundzeroes.blogspot.com

13:38

notic eno comments allowed on the preston retort

13:38

http://madlensbrittles.com

13:39

last word is his!

13:39

check that shit out. it redirects to a ... cloudflare protected domain

13:39

someone "bought" "traffic", got ddosed, got cloudflare.

13:39

http://homeimprovementfinancing.meximas.com

13:40

http://krasotas24.ru/

13:40

ok i gotta stop. but anyway, the idea stands.

13:40

yeah now you just added all dem links to the log site

13:40

such SEO

13:41

meh

13:41

mp, in case yer interested https://www.youtube.com/user/PAULanthonyROMERO

13:41

your favorite game composer has a youtube

13:41

dude shreds on piano

13:41

not sure he's my favourite, im too ignorant to know

13:42

but he sure rocks

13:42

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2mD77qwew

13:42

Witajcie Poland Chris Smith's impossible dream of getting me into musical and muscle shape! - YouTu

13:42

him working out and piano training at once

13:45

Colloquially, passes were often called the dompas, literally meaning the "dumb pass."

13:45

well... that's exactly what they were neh

13:45

you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k

13:48

5. Jan Smuts airport, in common with the Unions other ports of land, sea and air, will soon amend its apartheid applications. The words European and non-European will be replaced by the words Whites and Non-Whites over appropriate doors and entrances. The reason is that foreigners, particularly Americans, confuse the issue and the exit by tending to use doors that seem to distin

13:48

guish them from people who originate from Europe. Cape Times, 19

13:48

those pesky muricans ruining perfectly reasonable nonsense!

13:48

ikr

13:49

7. Coloured girls can now work as usherettes in white cinemas provided they do not look at the screen, Mr John Redman, general manager of Kinekors theatre division, told me this week.

13:49

Re: US slavery: "At present, the federal government allocates about 25 percent of GDP and states/cities spend another 16 percent. According to some estimates, about 15 percent is controlled by the regulatory system, but this is probably low because it does not reflect the non-regulatory legal system. The conclusion is that at least 60 percent of the nation?s GDP is controlled by governments, and that does not even count the amount of economic

13:49

activity that is suppressed because of special interest pressure." (from my link above)

13:49

aww. i was rooting for "provided they remain on their knees, mouth open, left hand around lips

13:49

lol

13:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}

13:50

decimation i'd be surprised if 10% of us gdp is independent atm. it'd be mostly things like that cattle rancher guy.

13:50

When we show a film which our non-white girls are not allowed to see, they usher patrons with a torch and watch the floor, he said. We discussed the matter with the Department of Labour and I raised this point with them. As a precautionary measure since non-whites are not allowed to see some films restricted to whites only we decided that they should not look at the screen.

13:50

wtf filmns were those i wonder ?

13:50

Sunday Express, 1971

13:51

no clue

13:51

like what, felini's satyricon ?

13:52

hot summer in the city and assorted sexploitation/blacksploitation flicks ?

13:52

the mack lol.

13:52

lol

13:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00094773 = 27.7211 BTC [-]

13:53

I never imagined that power would remain forever with the Matanzimas. Its just that we were the only two with university degrees.

13:53

lmao

13:54

At least Ill be able to kiss Desdemona without leaving a smudge. Actor John Kani, the first black man to play Othello in Shakespeares play in South Africa

13:54

ahahaha ok this one's great.

13:54

[An] SABC records committee members, Mr Roelf Jacobs, denied the SABC banned songs. We just dont play them, he said.

13:55

People have the silly idea that there must be freedom of the press and no repression. They dont realise that ideas are also a source of evil.

13:55

of course ideas are a source of evil

13:56

the trouble is that any bureaucraticly crafted policy to suppress them will likely fail

13:56

ideas are a source of evil in the sense pie is a source of evil.

13:56

the supreme source of all evil is the cunt.

13:56

or the germ cells?

13:57

well this is enough history reading for an evening. ima go beat my slaves and smoke a pipe.

13:57

lol

~ 17 minutes ~

14:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00095011 = 8.5985 BTC [+]

14:19

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4703 BTC [+]

14:28

HeySteve, in the article, can you link to actual log line?

14:28

!up xdotcomm_

14:28

Voicing xdotcomm_ for 30 minutes.

14:28

!up BingoBoingo

14:28

Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.

14:30

xdotcomm_ is back?

14:30

goodness.

14:30

benkay: yes!

14:30

did u miss me?

14:30

and my socks?

14:30

mnope.

14:31

jurov, I don't know how to link to the line, just the date

14:31

be honest ... i know you did

14:31

you miss the sock puppet show

14:31

if I can link to a line that's better

14:31

HeySteve: #linenumber, when you click in the time, you'll get it

14:31

ok thx I will try

14:31

the time in the start of every line

14:32

ah ha

14:33

right I updated it

14:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06922716 = 0.3461 BTC [+] {2}

14:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095043 = 6.1778 BTC [+]

14:51

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 460 @ 0.00084997 = 0.391 BTC [-] {4}

14:52

[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 440 @ 0.00084342 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {4}

14:54

!up dignork

14:54

Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.

14:54

!up nubbins`

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Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.

14:56

artifexd

ThickAsThieves: Thanks for the kind words on your blog. Much appreciated.

~ 18 minutes ~

15:14

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0685 = 0.137 BTC [-]

15:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}

~ 22 minutes ~

15:38

http://i.imgur.com/2wuBhnU.jpg?1

15:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0413034 = 0.1239 BTC [+] {3}

15:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7912 @ 0.00095043 = 7.5198 BTC [+]

15:55

lolol fluffypony

15:55

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/apr/25/tony-blair-cassetteboy-video-mashup-bloomberg-speech amyone seen this?

15:55

anyone*

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03429 = 0.1715 BTC [+] {2}

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0412 = 0.206 BTC [-] {2}

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {2}

16:08

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6878 @ 0.00095031 = 6.5362 BTC [-] {2}

16:10

!up prestonbanks

16:10

Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.

16:10

sup prestonbanks

16:11

sup fluffypony

16:11

just read bitcoinpete's blog

16:12

two glasses of wine down, nom

16:12

now im here

16:12

oic

16:12

which article?

16:13

a lot of them

16:13

going from one reference to the next

16:13

prestonbanks of fincen?

16:14

!seen bitcoinpete

16:14

nope

16:14

;;seen bitcoinpete

16:14

bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> jurov: indeed, best of luck!

16:14

guess bitcoinpete is weekend-ing

16:14

how does he dare

16:14

OH - preston BYRNE is the other dude

16:14

lawlz

16:15

I thought you were he

16:15

is that why i got voice so quickly?

16:15

haha

16:15

pretty much

16:15

I got excited

16:15

and !down ..

16:16

finders keepers

16:16

prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway

16:16

ah ok

16:16

well i actually planned to follow bitcoinpete's advice

16:16

about not investing in MaidSafe?

16:16

:-P

16:16

"shutting up and learning until you have something intelligent to say"

16:17

good advice

16:17

and get in the wot

16:17

avoiding maidsafe like the plague

16:17

^^

16:17

do you know how to register your nick?

16:17

i heard the letstalkbitcoin interview of maidsafe

16:17

ltb is shit.

16:18

i will follow the instructions in the subject line to register my nick

16:18

thx fluffy

16:18

prestonbanks: /msg nickserv register password email

16:18

and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password

16:18

ok

16:18

in terms of the WoT

16:18

registering nick != registering in the wot

16:18

start here: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

16:18

prestonbanks are you the guy with the blog that quoted MPEx's stance on the SEC?

16:18

but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick

16:18

ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake

16:19

poo

16:19

I got super excited

16:19

im not sure thats required

16:19

i opened pandora's box without knowing

16:19

kakobrekla: afaik it is, gribble doesn't allow eregister or bcregister without a registered nick

16:19

getting into the wot properly is a daylong exercise if you're not a regular gpg user to begin with

16:20

no suh

16:20

i learned in like 15min

16:20

backed up your master key?

16:20

i should probably consider a different nick

16:20

made revocation certs?

16:20

in case the fincen guy wants in

16:20

ThickAsThieves: ^^

16:20

lawl

16:20

tested your restoration process?

16:21

ah no, i just mean getting it all to work

16:21

if you wanna get in wot and get permavoice in here it isnt hard

16:21

that leaves out nickserv auth reg too...

16:21

i'm saying setting up the gpg toolchain is a daylong exercise for new gpg users.

16:21

tomorrow is a sunday

16:22

so it should be doable

16:22

and setting up the toolchain should be preceeded by reading the manual, but who reads manuls these days anyways

16:22

the notion of days is all wrong.

16:22

(fuckers bite, i hear)

16:22

kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me

16:24

i hate those foldable manuals that are as big as a roadmap

16:25

kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister

16:26

*

kakobrekla is right even when he is wrong, the usual.

16:26

of cors

16:27

all guys talking now are regulars around here?

16:27

or in assbot's Level 2 trust

16:28

which is the only requirement

16:28

cool

16:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2598 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4684 BTC [-]

16:28

i'm sure i'll pick up on the inside jokes over time

16:29

prestonbanks: benkay has a blog post on the model: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

16:29

thx

16:29

i'll get to it tonight and tomorrow

16:30

now enjoying my remaining minutes of voice

16:30

weeeeeee

16:30

!down prestonbanks

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:P

16:30

!up prestonbanks

16:30

Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.

16:31

doh!

16:31

had that coming

16:31

thx duffer

16:31

:P

16:31

kakobrekla is the mean guy of the group

16:31

duly noted

16:32

nah just people messin with you

16:32

no, i was serious.

16:32

!down prestonbanks

16:32

go read up

16:32

prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers!

16:33

also http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

16:34

mod6

huh, didn't know about that page.

16:34

mod6: much easier than pushing everyone's RSS feed into a reader

16:35

mod6 its in the topic you know

16:35

also on home of b-a.com

16:36

kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently

16:36

;;topic

16:36

http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

16:36

fixd.

16:40

mod6

kakobrekla: ah!

16:40

*

mod6 wonders how he never looked that up

16:41

mod6

i guess i just read a lot of these blogs directly. kindof a nice digest tho.

16:47

*

moiety read manuls, realised it was a typo *disappoint*

16:47

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06933582 = 0.6934 BTC [+]

16:48

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00316004 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2}

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03447 = 0.2413 BTC [+] {2}

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0412 = 0.2884 BTC [-] {2}

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2}

16:53

BingoBoingo: g'day

16:54

Open for corrections and omissions http://devilsadvocate.biz/the-denomination-decimal-designation-debate/

16:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60303 @ 0.00094681 = 57.0955 BTC [-] {5}

16:55

fluffypony: You too

16:56

thestringpuller: One of my favorite parts of bitcoin is the mystery surrounding the distinction between NCOs and officers of Bitcoin

16:56

ThickAsThieves: I'm EXTREMELY opinionated about that, and I fully agree with your conclusions

16:57

cool!

16:58

i dont write much, and as i read my writing it feels very "What I Did Last Summer", so I'm also open to constructive criticisms

16:58

ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of

16:58

magnitude different, so the argument is sound

16:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7946 @ 0.00094459 = 7.5057 BTC [-] {2}

17:00

not a typo, moiety :)

17:00

!up prestonbanks

17:00

Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.

17:00

;;google drinkingrecord GPG guide

17:00

PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>

17:00

^^ prestonbanks

17:01

thx

17:01

prestonbanks: The GPG stuff does take a while but registering with nickserv and setting enforce to on is a quick exercise

17:02

ThickAsThieves: in fact, I think I got quite vocal on this thread: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3862 - the proposal was to switch to micro-BTC, but the accounting software idea is the same...unfortunately it was NACK'd because everyone thought it had to do with the exchange rate rather than reading the opening post

17:02

well not think, I know I did

17:03

bingbiongo; i have some experience with registering and using IRC channels so i think that will be no problem as soon as i figured out a new nick

17:03

11:51:45 <+mircea_popescu> i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid. << I have been doing exactly that ever since I found this place.

17:04

the pgp stuff.. i'll have to read up on that

17:04

bookmarked the links you guys gave me

17:05

bingoboingo* sorry for butchering your name

17:05

prestonbanks: Cool, just remember some freenode shit is weird and non-standard? Oh, you don't just tab to autocomplete?

17:06

prestonbanks: The most important part of the GPG stuff is the key management practice.

17:06

BingoBoingo: he's on web chat

17:06

Delete restore and generate new keys prolly no less than 10 times

17:07

*

BingoBoingo goes backs to watching baseball

17:07

[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]

17:08

thestringpuller: when is gasenwagen conf?

17:14

i.. wouldn't recommend going to a gasenwagen conf, not by your own choice anyway

17:17

well, the gasenwagen conf is for those scheduled for the gasenwagen but have not yet been picked up

17:19

ok, glad we're on the same page

17:20

and there's a proper use of kashchenit terminology going on

17:22

fluffypony nice banners

17:22

tks Duffer1

17:23

I have some ideas for other ones, just too busy to actually do them

17:24

kashchenit, phf?

17:26

https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/460164769475866624

17:26

Twitter / AdrianChen: Yes. There will be a live-doxxing ...

17:27

oh goody

17:27

another one

17:33

benkay: yeah, i have to stop responding as i am reading. i saw the biting bit after. happy weekend btw!

17:34

happy weekend to yourself as well

17:36

BingoBoingo: what game are you watching atm btw?

17:37

!up BingoBoingo

17:37

Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.

17:37

Cardinals vs. Pirates. Was looking really good until is wasn't

17:37

;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo

17:37

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013

17:37

On the deck taking a smoke break

17:37

ah ok

17:38

~5 minutes laptop goes off again

17:38

on that note, I'm off to bed, night all

17:39

benkay: If this game gets much worse I might self up and hang here a while

17:40

come hang out with us, BingoBoingo

17:40

i was just throwing the notion of a gasenwagen conf around

17:40

benkay: IRL socially drinking today. Just stepped out for a fag.

17:41

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06704916 = 6.7049 BTC [-] {19}

17:41

And headed in...

17:41

benkay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaschenism

17:42

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06600066 = 1.98 BTC [-] {2}

17:42

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00094347 = 39.2484 BTC [-] {3}

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06933581 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2}

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03250016 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2}

17:48

o wow, phf. that's...news to me.

17:49

Namworld

Hmm, I'm looking at penalties for late tax filling. Looks like the interest charged is low. Up to a maximum of 50% flat penalty for multiple years of late filling plus 5-6% annual interest on balance.

17:49

Namworld

So far, over the last few years, anyone with BTC income would have been better off waiting and filling late to avoid having to convert BTC to pay taxes earlier it seems.

17:50

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06933556 = 0.2773 BTC [+] {3}

17:52

oh, it's wikipedia begging season again

17:55

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00648271 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {9}

17:57

[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00135202 = 0.1352 BTC [+]

17:59

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07525 = 0.1505 BTC [-] {2}

18:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47926 @ 0.0009426 = 45.175 BTC [-] {5}

18:03

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068001 = 0.136 BTC [-]

18:09

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0333125 = 0.2665 BTC [+] {3}

18:11

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0684818 = 0.4794 BTC [+] {2}

18:12

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0685454 = 0.4113 BTC [+]

18:13

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0685454 = 0.6855 BTC [+]

18:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0335 = 0.134 BTC [+]

18:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0413 = 0.1652 BTC [-]

18:14

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

18:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0335 = 0.201 BTC [+]

18:15

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04126666 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {3}

18:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]

18:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-]

18:16

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04113333 = 0.2468 BTC [-] {2}

18:16

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0682 = 0.4092 BTC [-]

18:17

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

18:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.033 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}

18:29

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04216633 = 0.1265 BTC [+] {3}

18:30

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03385685 = 0.237 BTC [+] {3}

18:32

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0689049 = 0.1378 BTC [+] {2}

18:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]

18:32

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.0742218 = 1.1133 BTC [-] {2}

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03363157 = 0.639 BTC [-] {2}

18:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.03413741 = 1.3314 BTC [+] {5}

18:35

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04215384 = 0.548 BTC [-] {2}

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04232333 = 0.127 BTC [+] {2}

18:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03449626 = 0.5174 BTC [+] {4}

18:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0421932 = 0.211 BTC [-] {2}

18:37

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-] {2}

18:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03476666 = 0.5215 BTC [+] {3}

18:38

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04158499 = 0.2911 BTC [-] {3}

18:39

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

18:55

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06700001 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2}

19:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73076 @ 0.00093962 = 68.6637 BTC [-] {4}

19:10

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]

19:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16435 @ 0.00093868 = 15.4272 BTC [-]

19:19

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {2}

19:27

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.066 = 0.264 BTC [-]

19:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8251 @ 0.00093868 = 7.745 BTC [-]

19:34

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]

19:35

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06450051 = 0.3225 BTC [-]

19:47

[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]

~ 31 minutes ~

20:18

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2}

~ 1 hours 5 minutes ~

21:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.510049 BTC [+]

~ 1 hours 4 minutes ~

22:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51046496 BTC [+]

~ 53 minutes ~

23:21

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.0353222 = 1.201 BTC [+] {4}

23:22

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03544 = 0.3544 BTC [+]

23:23

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03544 = 0.2835 BTC [+]

23:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17689 @ 0.00094158 = 16.6556 BTC [+]

~ 22 minutes ~

23:56

[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0414998 = 0.2905 BTC [+]

23:57