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00:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00085692 = 24.0366 BTC [+] {2}
00:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00085363 = 14.7678 BTC [-] {2}
00:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [+]
00:19	copumpkin	all MPOE transactions are fairly large
00:19	copumpkin	I'd expect to see more "dust"
00:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63463 @ 0.00085697 = 54.3859 BTC [+] {2}
00:36	copumpkin	see? large transactions!
00:36	copumpkin	where'd nefario go?
00:37	BingoBoingo	copumpkin: Prolly went to Panama
00:38	copumpkin	where'd my >0.001 MPOE go, anyway
00:38	copumpkin	give it back
00:38	copumpkin	man, once MPOE goes above 1 btc/share, I'll be rich
00:38	copumpkin	if not as rich as mircea_popescu
00:38	copumpkin	I can't wait
00:39	copumpkin	then I can give my bentley back to him
00:39	mircea_popescu	what's this bentley you keep speaking of lol
00:39	copumpkin	oh you know
00:40	copumpkin	just my car
00:40	copumpkin	okay fine, fine, I lied
00:40	mircea_popescu	i had no idea you drived
00:40	copumpkin	I don't own a bentley (or any car)
00:40	copumpkin	and I didn't steal any money from you
00:40	copumpkin	gah, such a stickler for details
00:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1650 @ 0.00020195 = 0.3332 BTC [-]
00:56	Chaang-Noi	he copumpkin
00:56	Chaang-Noi	hey*
00:56	copumpkin	hey Chaang-Noi
00:56	Chaang-Noi	how ya been?
00:57	copumpkin	not bad, not doing anything in bitcoin these days
00:57	Chaang-Noi	still hodling?
00:58	copumpkin	yeah, a few :) you?
00:58	Chaang-Noi	yeah a few
00:58	Chaang-Noi	im not doing much either
00:58	Chaang-Noi	got some miners
00:59	Chaang-Noi	they should have been 2 TH/s but only 1.6 TH/s kinda sucks
00:59	Chaang-Noi	might have to sue em
01:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [+]
01:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00085841 = 30.1302 BTC [+] {3}
01:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00085802 = 14.2002 BTC [-]
01:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029901 = 0.598 BTC [-]
01:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 578 @ 0.00020195 = 0.1167 BTC [-]
01:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12049999 = 1.205 BTC [-] {4}
01:21	KRS-One	nsfw http://i.imgur.com/k8poyUI.jpg
01:21	KRS-One	That is some olympic ass I can dive right into.
01:21	KRS-One	.bait
01:21	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/8d294c47d83550e992b5b85bf8435f01/tumblr_mwf27sPeew1snhkgqo1_500.jpg
01:22	KRS-One	^^^ thats like somebody's mom
01:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
		~ 23 minutes ~
01:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00085889 = 23.4048 BTC [+] {2}
01:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1768 @ 0.00085875 = 1.5183 BTC [-]
02:06	benkay	eventually it all comes down to bits on the wire
02:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00085938 = 7.8633 BTC [+]
02:18	BingoBoingo	Lol Apple http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/02/10/0535227/mac-os-x-bitcoin-stealing-trojan-horse-called-osxcointhief-discovered
02:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 181 @ 0.0055 = 0.9955 BTC
02:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897944 = 0.2449 BTC [+]
02:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04897954 = 0.6857 BTC [+] {3}
		~ 34 minutes ~
03:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00550001 = 0.1375 BTC [-]
03:15	kakobrekla	hi
03:16	davout	hello
03:16	kakobrekla	heya davout
03:17	kakobrekla	hows it going
03:17	davout	pretty good, and yourself kind sir ?
03:18	davout	i am about to prove the internet wrong
03:18	kakobrekla	excellent, seems im getting my power back
03:18	davout	the weed fumes are dissipating ?
03:19	kakobrekla	hehe
03:19	davout	you'll read about it in the NYT toomorrow "Frenchman proves the internet wrong by having a shower"
03:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.000191 = 0.1146 BTC [-] {2}
03:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12955 @ 0.00085893 = 11.1274 BTC [-] {2}
03:30	kakobrekla	i take it back
03:30	kakobrekla	no power
		~ 35 minutes ~
04:05	Apocalyptic	.d
04:05	ozbot	2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 1195 blocks | Estimated Change: 11.9065% in 7d 7h 18m 51s
04:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299987 BTC [+]
		~ 18 minutes ~
04:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10935 @ 0.00085942 = 9.3978 BTC [+] {2}
04:25	btc-monkey	"Hello MagicalTux, any update about the current situation please ? <- the release is almost ready, running final checks before it goes online
04:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00085971 = 11.864 BTC [+]
		~ 19 minutes ~
04:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1819 @ 0.00085863 = 1.5618 BTC [-] {2}
04:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8641 @ 0.0008564 = 7.4002 BTC [-]
05:04	dub	https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html
05:04	ozbot	MtGox - Bitcoin Exchange
05:07	BingoBoingo	So... MtGox plans to resume Bitcoin withdrawals... never?
05:07	Apocalyptic	let the dumping begin
05:08	BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: Why dumping?
05:09	davout	mtgox chan topic : "MtGox is NOT dead as a FUD post suggests" <<< priceless
05:09	Apocalyptic	some people want to get btc out of gox, they don't have any other choice but to sell
05:10	kakobrekla	;;ticker
05:10	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 620.0, Best ask: 627.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.00000, Last trade: 620.0, 24 hour volume: 22218.65782057, 24 hour low: 620.21057, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.25873
05:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.0008564 = 19.1834 BTC [-]
05:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1172 @ 0.0029875 = 3.5014 BTC [-] {19}
05:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00292181 = 3.775 BTC [-] {12}
05:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00288932 = 1.1788 BTC [-] {6}
05:18	kakobrekla	flash crash
05:19	Apocalyptic	i hope other exchanges won't follow
05:19	Apocalyptic	there is no way to arb now anyway
05:21	KRS1	<gmaxwell> It is exceptionally unlikely that malleability will be fixed in the year. We've been slowly moving towards improving it, v0.8 closed of many forms of it.
05:23	davout	Apocalyptic: i think there will be bots propagating the dip
05:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086008 = 40.4238 BTC [+] {4}
05:24	pizzaman1337	;;ticker
05:24	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.25, Best ask: 590.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.75000, Last trade: 580.13001, 24 hour volume: 27115.47675369, 24 hour low: 580.13, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.84098
05:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001902 = 0.1902 BTC [-]
05:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
05:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0745 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
05:27	KRS1	wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin..otherwise what a perfect way to stall the failing of your exchange, tie up developers for months and blame btc
05:27	Apocalyptic	<KRS1> wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin // it's not...
05:27	punkman	so someone is fucking with MtGox? where is the proof?
05:29	Apocalyptic	<gmaxwell> orweinberger: not really. It makes some implications which are just flat out untrue.
05:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13743 @ 0.00086036 = 11.8239 BTC [+] {2}
05:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+]
05:29	Apocalyptic	[the mtgox statement]
05:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]
05:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.13033323 = 0.391 BTC [+] {3}
05:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
05:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
05:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0754 = 0.1508 BTC [+]
05:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41470 @ 0.00086053 = 35.6862 BTC [+] {2}
05:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086061 = 3.9588 BTC [+]
05:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0754995 = 0.604 BTC [+] {2}
05:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
05:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
05:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12125 = 0.485 BTC [+] {2}
05:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.123 = 0.738 BTC [+] {3}
05:59	jurov	morning. so devs say mtgox largely fabricated whole issue?
06:00	dub	yep
06:00	kakobrekla	sauce?
06:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00085619 = 4.2381 BTC [-] {2}
06:01	Apocalyptic	morning jurov
06:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
06:01	Apocalyptic	gox is spreading so much fud in their statement
06:02	kakobrekla	;;goxlag
06:02	gribble	MtGox lag is 221.07766 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.443037155331 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).
06:02	kakobrekla	did this thing stop?
06:02	davout	BTC dropped 10% because of the announcement
06:02	kakobrekla	more like 20%
06:03	kakobrekla	but i think goxes strings and cans capped out
06:03	punkman	the chinese prices finally went below $700
06:03	davout	kakobrekla: looking at BC
06:03	davout	well, those delicious cheap coinz won't be lost on everyone
06:03	kakobrekla	whats the daily vol there
06:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.55816667 = 5.5817 BTC [-] {8}
06:06	davout	shitty
06:06	kakobrekla	hm
06:07	kakobrekla	well it can only get better once gox blows
06:07	dub	word
06:07	davout	sure, that's pretty much the plan, do stuff right and let it mature
06:09	jurov	http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/02/10#l1392027399 starting roughly from there
06:10	Apocalyptic	davout, sounds like a good plan
06:11	jurov	are the verifications going better yet?
06:11	davout	mucho better
06:12	davout	we have a bunch of chicks working full-time on it
06:12	kakobrekla	oh, if you have chicks, ill allow anal probing
06:12	jurov	i sent my brother over to b-c last week, dunno if he actually registered
06:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00285 = 0.1026 BTC [+]
06:13	davout	i need to implement referrals once everything calms down a bit
06:14	kakobrekla	btw have you looked into supporting neteller or is that something you cant do
06:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00279821 = 5.5964 BTC [-] {13}
06:15	davout	looks like someone is trying to pull the same kind of shit karpeles is talking about on BC
06:15	davout	except he's trying to do it with deposits
06:15	kakobrekla	hm?
06:15	davout	which is utterly retardeed
06:16	davout	i just made a deposit to my account
06:16	davout	and it appears twice, under two different TXIDs
06:17	kakobrekla	im starting to suspect gox lost a bunch of coins in this matter
06:17	davout	who knows
06:18	davout	but i can confirm first hand that someone mutated my TX on the fly
06:18	jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x93tf/some_irc_chatter_about_what_is_going_on_at_mtgox/cf99yac
06:18	Apocalyptic	kako, it's certain
06:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00270233 = 6.7558 BTC [-] {20}
06:19	kakobrekla	how is it certain
06:19	jurov	seems mtgox reimplemented their wallet from scratch and badly, so yes, they mayb have lost
06:19	davout	i'd suspect someone is out there mutating every single transaction around for fun and profit
06:19	jurov	from the reddit comment above
06:19	kakobrekla	doesnt open here dunno great firewall of somalia
06:20	davout	it's definitely not a problem for deposits tho
06:20	davout	it doesn't seem targeted
06:20	kakobrekla	i hear this is btce: http://i.imgur.com/XDcjlts.png
06:20	davout	lol
06:21	Apocalyptic	<kakobrekla> how is it certain // because people fixed the mispadded signature, so the coins went through and were refunded both at the same time
06:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0754995 = 0.5285 BTC [+]
06:22	kakobrekla	cool beans
06:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]
06:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0754995 = 0.3775 BTC [+]
06:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
06:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]
06:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0754995 = 0.2265 BTC [+]
06:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]
06:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00085992 = 21.025 BTC [+] {3}
06:32	jurov	glad we have a specification that says how to properly pad the numbers and stuff
06:32	davout	word
06:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
06:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00086149 = 21.968 BTC [+] {2}
06:35	punkman	well china doesn't seem to be giving many fucks, back to $700
06:38	kakobrekla	;;goxlag
06:38	gribble	MtGox lag is 1327.087254 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.65946799821 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).
		~ 19 minutes ~
06:58	bitesak	;;ticker
06:58	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.0, Best ask: 640.0, Bid-ask spread: 35.00000, Last trade: 599.99, 24 hour volume: 34105.23173009, 24 hour low: 500.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.03267
07:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]
07:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00085744 = 18.5207 BTC [-]
07:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
07:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1325 = 0.6625 BTC [+]
07:11	davout	that didn't last long
07:14	moiety	morning campers, what nationality theme are we having today?!
07:15	davout	definitely japanese
07:15	kakobrekla	hehe
07:15	kakobrekla	i thought twas french,.
07:15	moiety	fucking excellent.. all i know is: sakana wa akai desu
07:16	moiety	french was yesterday my friend, move with the times
07:16	moiety	and why yes, the fish is red!
07:16	davout	sakana wa oiishi desu
07:16	davout	the fish is tasty
07:16	moiety	see that is more useful
07:16	punkman	あなたはgoxedてきた
07:17	moiety	is it later tell or tell later for gribbling to someone who isnt here?
07:20	davout	former
07:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00085712 = 13.8425 BTC [-] {2}
07:23	moiety	thanks
07:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00085861 = 17.1722 BTC [+]
07:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00085561 = 34.5239 BTC [-] {3}
07:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13589 @ 0.00085462 = 11.6134 BTC [-]
07:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 290 @ 0.00080134 = 0.2324 BTC [-] {3}
07:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00085503 = 25.6509 BTC [+] {3}
07:48	KRS1	Fuck, like Punkman said..this shit ain't over.
07:49	KRS1	;;tell
07:49	gribble	(tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
07:50	KRS1	;;tell nickbitreal nigga
07:50	gribble	Error: I haven't seen nickbitreal, I'll let you do the telling.
07:51	moiety	whats happeing KRS1?
07:51	moiety	more fun and games at gox?
07:52	davout	this will end with guns and fame...
07:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00086204 = 21.551 BTC [+]
08:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15633 @ 0.00085231 = 13.3242 BTC [-]
08:02	KRS1	ah nothing much
08:03	punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Wmpkqen7w
08:03	ozbot	DangerDoom (Danger Mouse & MF DOOM) - Bada Bing - YouTube
08:03	KRS1	;;tell mircea_popescu You should petition the author of this photo and insist on adding mpex. http://i.imgur.com/edOnkZ2.jpg
08:03	gribble	Error: I haven't seen mircea_popescu, I'll let you do the telling.
08:03	ThickAsThieves	lolgox
08:05	ThickAsThieves	krs1 it's ;;later tell
08:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.19376446 = 9.6882 BTC [+]
08:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4906 @ 0.0008612 = 4.225 BTC [+]
08:15	punkman	KRS1: fixed: http://i.imgur.com/9vPVcog.png
08:17	KRS1	HAHA good job punkman
08:17	KRS1	thx the20year
08:17	KRS1	thickasthieves hows ATC
08:18	KRS1	punkman: im going to paste that img into #mtgox
08:19	ThickAsThieves	ATC goes well, it's listed on its first shady exchange
08:21	punkman	parodycoin needs parodyexchange
08:22	ThickAsThieves	maybe jurov will market-make ATC on mpex
08:23	ThickAsThieves	or maybe Apocalyptic will list it on his, assuming he's confident in his security etc
08:23	the20year	?
08:23	ystarnaud	whats ATC?
08:23	ThickAsThieves	www.therealaltcoin.org
08:24	ystarnaud	thanks
08:25	ThickAsThieves	Gox and Bitfunder seem so similar now
08:25	Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, what's the shady one you're talking about ?
08:25	ThickAsThieves	https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111
08:25	ozbot	OpenEx
08:25	ThickAsThieves	run by r3wy
08:25	ThickAsThieves	r3wt*
08:26	KRS1	haha
08:26	ThickAsThieves	apparently he has a somewhat unclean past
08:26	ThickAsThieves	ATC/BTC 0.00000157
08:27	ThickAsThieves	shouldnt be hard to beat doge
08:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [-]
08:28	ThickAsThieves	lol @ dr greg "Due to the fun of repeatedly chasing my tail for several minutes, backing out of positions left unhedged by the BTC.sx delay, and eating the spread both at BTC.sx and at ICBIT as a result, the fund has taken a haircut of just over 2% -- enough to erase all our gains to date."
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08:28	ThickAsThieves	On a personal note, I am not at all happy about this outcome."
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]
08:32	ThickAsThieves	so basically gox is making it sound like someone maybe hacked bitcoin and double spent
08:32	ystarnaud	yeah
08:32	ystarnaud	its their own mistakes
08:32	ThickAsThieves	but really their implementation was not robust enough to work properly and they have a web to untangle
08:32	ystarnaud	they fell for a scam
08:32	ystarnaud	is more like it
08:33	ThickAsThieves	the ugly part is, they surely sold preemptively
08:33	ThickAsThieves	and buy bacl low
08:33	ThickAsThieves	http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/
08:33	ystarnaud	they didnt make their software to account for this "issue" then someone probably played them claiming their money didnt go through and they resent
08:33	ystarnaud	yep
08:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00546961 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {6}
08:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.075987 = 0.228 BTC [+]
08:34	ystarnaud	i read somewhere too that they spend/use coins that are freshly minted and don't wait for the usual 100 confirms by the blockchain
08:34	ThickAsThieves	it tx ids are malleable why rely on them for a private system?
08:34	ThickAsThieves	i saw that too
08:34	ystarnaud	yeah someone pointed out most software will instead track user/amount/timestamp
08:35	ystarnaud	and they been told apparently
08:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]
08:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.076 = 0.456 BTC [+]
08:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0054448 = 0.4574 BTC [-] {6}
08:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.08008735 = 0.961 BTC [+] {2}
08:36	the20year	seems they were told a while ago
08:37	the20year	Maybe they'll have to go back to trading magic cards:?
08:37	KRS1	that would kick ass
08:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]
08:38	KRS1	Mark wouldn't have to be bothered with this stupid coin stuff all the time.
08:39	ystarnaud	lol
08:40	KRS1	hah love this part: examined Gox’s code to some degree, and remarked that they are using a strange “hodgepodge of technologies that are really not suitable for running an exchange.”
08:40	the20year	heh ,i guess btc touched $105 on btce
08:40	ystarnaud	:O?
08:40	ystarnaud	say what?
08:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.08498998 = 0.17 BTC [+]
08:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
08:42	ThickAsThieves	bitcoin is dead, long live altcoin!
08:42	ystarnaud	haha TAT
08:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 751 @ 0.00079393 = 0.5962 BTC [-] {6}
08:43	davout	such blasphemy
08:43	ThickAsThieves	i actually think altcoin brings many great lessons
08:44	ThickAsThieves	even to people in this chan
08:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.091 = 0.819 BTC [+]
08:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5351 = 1.0702 BTC [-] {2}
08:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00299124 = 0.5982 BTC [+] {9}
08:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+] {2}
08:53	ThickAsThieves	Altcoin Having Huge Affect on Bitcoin Hashrate, Transactions Grid to Halt ~ Karpeles -- source: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate
08:53	ThickAsThieves	Grind*
08:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [+]
08:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00085387 = 19.9806 BTC [-]
08:56	davout	ThickAsThieves: lmao
08:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
09:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14744 @ 0.00085416 = 12.5937 BTC [+]
09:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+]
09:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+]
09:06	MisterE	sup?
09:06	MisterE	whats this channel for?
09:06	ThickAsThieves	higher learning
09:07	MisterE	graduate studies?
09:07	MisterE	wtf are you doing here you slacker? :p
09:07	MisterE	whats going on?
09:07	ThickAsThieves	?
09:07	KRS1	we trade Magic: The Gathering cards here too
09:08	MisterE	looking for some sensible chat and analysis I'm bugged out from Trollbox
09:08	KRS1	thus, assets..duh.
09:08	MisterE	oh
09:08	ThickAsThieves	well you landed in the right place
09:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18024 @ 0.00085459 = 15.4031 BTC [+]
09:08	MisterE	I know you from around the way ThickAsThieves maybe another network?
09:08	KRS1	We have free bait.
09:08	KRS1	.bait
09:08	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg
09:08	MisterE	assbot: lol
09:09	MisterE	free fapping material?
09:09	MisterE	I like my tits natural tho
09:09	KRS1	24/7 dude.
09:09	KRS1	Then just .bait again and fap away.
09:09	KRS1	.bait
09:09	ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m76y6pVx651qjn8beo1_500.jpg
09:10	KRS1	We have lasers.
09:10	MisterE	So is Cox dead yet?
09:10	ThickAsThieves	MisterE, I run ASICMINER passthroughs and some other things
09:10	MisterE	this is like BTC being rid of cancer
09:10	ThickAsThieves	i recognize your name too
09:10	KRS1	;;lasers
09:10	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
09:10	ThickAsThieves	;;roulette
09:10	gribble	*click*
09:10	MisterE	ahh ok
09:10	MisterE	;;eath
09:10	gribble	Error: "eath" is not a valid command.
09:11	MisterE	I'm regged with gribble from #bitcoin-otc
09:11	KRS1	you are definately in the right channel then
09:11	MisterE	what site has the best charts?
09:12	MisterE	bitcinwisdom?
09:12	MisterE	bitcoinwisdom?
09:12	KRS1	good chart analysis for Bitcoin can be had at tradingview.com..its easy.
09:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00085459 = 7.6059 BTC [+]
09:13	ThickAsThieves	yeah i like bitwiz and tradingviews
09:13	MisterE	does traditional SA work with BTC?
09:14	ThickAsThieves	yesno
09:14	MisterE	haha
09:14	MisterE	thats the answer I had arrived at
09:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43899 @ 0.00085242 = 37.4204 BTC [-] {3}
09:15	ThickAsThieves	in tradinviews, is there a way to get it to always show the date you are hovering over
09:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3301 @ 0.00085167 = 2.8114 BTC [-]
09:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04540014 = 0.1362 BTC [-]
09:17	MisterE	hmm tradingview does commodities and all kinds of stuff
09:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085793 = 16.987 BTC [+] {3}
09:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02757037 = 0.7168 BTC [-] {7}
09:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [+]
09:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [+] {2}
09:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 59 @ 0.0047799 = 0.282 BTC [+] {2}
09:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00019543 = 0.1974 BTC [+] {2}
09:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
09:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
09:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+]
09:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00534 = 0.1335 BTC [-] {2}
09:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02740001 = 0.274 BTC [-]
09:54	ThickAsThieves	"Murder-for-Hire, the most sensationalistic and damning allegation of the government, was NOT a formal charge in the arraignment of Ross Ulbricht yesterday. When Ross stood up and pled “not guilty” to each indictment presented by the judge, there was no mention of murder at all. We have always known this claim was false. Now it is merely an “uncharged crime,” a component of the
09:54	ThickAsThieves	drug conspiracy charge."
09:59	MisterE	you'll see no retractions though, he's gone forever
10:00	MisterE	let them build a strong case too
10:00	MisterE	I always wondered seemed too sensationalist
10:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12000001 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}
10:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-]
10:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]
10:08	moiety	MisterE: it's eauth command not eath to authenticate :)
10:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-]
10:08	MisterE	thought to auth with gpg was eauth
10:09	MisterE	havent used it in months tho
10:09	moiety	yep it didn't work before because there was just a 'u' missing
10:09	MisterE	alright, thanks
10:10	moiety	np :)
10:21	nubbins`	morning
10:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00085856 = 21.7645 BTC [+]
10:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]
10:26	deadweasel	"MtGox had this problem because they didn.t know about this Bitcoin property. And for most of the time transactions were not deliberately modified by anyone, so it was okay for most of the time."
10:27	the20year3	Translation "We gave away some bitcoin instead of magic cards, lolz sry k thxbye
10:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14669 @ 0.00085845 = 12.5926 BTC [-] {2}
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [+]
10:28	nubbins`	heh
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07871428 = 0.551 BTC [+] {3}
10:29	nubbins`	anyone who has usd/btc in gox should be ashamed
10:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
10:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
10:37	mod6	nubbins`: srsly.
10:39	nubbins`	http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientific-explanation-how-marijuana-causes-munchies-180949660/
10:39	ozbot	A Scientific Explanation of How Marijuana Causes the Munchies | Science | Smithsonian
10:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.079 = 1.343 BTC [+]
10:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3}
10:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0736 = 0.368 BTC [-] {3}
10:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12909 @ 0.00085959 = 11.0964 BTC [+]
10:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.1212 = 1.5756 BTC [+] {2}
10:53	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ Asia Nexgen?
10:53	ozbot	Bitcoin Charts / Markets
10:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4213 @ 0.00085959 = 3.6215 BTC [+]
10:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.19376446 = 3.4878 BTC [+]
10:56	ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/10/carl-icahn-drops-apple-buyback-proposal/?mod=WSJBlog this guy lol
10:56	ozbot	Carl Icahn Drops Apple Buyback Proposal - MoneyBeat - WSJ
10:57	nubbins`	huh, HKD and USD
10:58	nubbins`	anxbtc.com, "YOUR MOST TRUSTED BITCOIN EXCHANGE"
10:58	nubbins`	i feel like i've heard that before...
10:58	nubbins`	ugh, "ANXPRO now supports Dogecoins!"
10:59	ThickAsThieves	lol
10:59	ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/10/5390620/twitch-one-million-broadcasters-biggest-web-traffic
10:59	ThickAsThieves	twitch beats facebook
11:00	ThickAsThieves	america is gonna be SO fat
11:00	ThickAsThieves	legal weed, people watching people play video games, etc
11:00	KRS1	aint it great
11:00	ozbot	One million broadcasters strong, Twitch surpasses Facebook in peak traffic | The Verge
11:01	KRS1	you should see my drag car..gets 10 miles to the gallon. oh and my favorite food is cheeseburger
11:01	ThickAsThieves	Twitch even beats Hulu, they must be crying
11:01	nubbins`	TIL what twitch is
11:01	Duffer1	someone should work on getting twitch broadcasters to accept btc donation
11:02	nubbins`	maybe that someone is you!
11:02	ThickAsThieves	rally the reddites!
11:02	Duffer1	i'd love to actually, but i have nothing to donate to help them see how it works hehe
11:03	ThickAsThieves	neither do they
11:03	ThickAsThieves	but so what
11:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1212 = 0.3636 BTC [+]
11:05	nubbins`	kakobrekla: i just told my wife about niggers.txt
11:05	nubbins`	she was in the middle of writing a proposal that she had "temporarily" named "beat-off.doc"
11:05	nubbins`	i advised her to rename ;(
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
11:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019042 = 0.3808 BTC [-] {3}
11:08	ThickAsThieves	1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z is sending random dust to me
11:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
11:08	ThickAsThieves	maybe it's liberated gox monety
11:10	moiety	i keep getting told "it's a thing!" but no explanation on niggers.txt
11:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00086089 = 17.39 BTC [+]
11:10	moiety	i like how the address is 'enjoy' ThickAsThieves
11:11	nubbins`	kako accidentally sent a file to some clients with that name
11:11	moiety	ooohhh!
11:11	moiety	oh dear, how did that pan out
11:12	ThickAsThieves	it was jurov that did it i think
11:12	nubbins`	ah
11:13	nubbins`	silly euros
11:14	usaoscoin	anyone got the link to the options calculator?
11:14	ThickAsThieves	namworld had one, i dunno if he kept it up to date though
11:15	ThickAsThieves	fukn idiots http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/is-bitcoin-over-mt-dot-gox-pauses-withdrawals
11:15	mike_c	usaoscoin: this one works off the live option prices:
11:15	mike_c	http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/options/
11:15	mike_c	but market maker is down right now..
11:15	ozbot	Option Analysis - Btc Alpha
11:15	usaoscoin	mike_c: big thanks, exactly what I was looking for
11:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57999999 = 1.16 BTC [+] {2}
11:17	ThickAsThieves	the video is much less stupid than the headline
11:17	mike_c	i had some lulz yesterday reading the logs with people talking about how easy it is to get 9's on a system :)
11:17	ThickAsThieves	yesterday;s log was turture
11:17	ThickAsThieves	i ended up skimming much of it
11:18	mike_c	yes.
11:18	ThickAsThieves	torture*
11:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8587 @ 0.00086089 = 7.3925 BTC [+]
11:19	ThickAsThieves	lol bloomberg called the iphone smashers jackasses
11:21	ThickAsThieves	guess who writes a great line like this "The news is only the latest in a nearly year-long series of shocks to hit the once seemingly unassailable exchange. "
11:21	ThickAsThieves	how is something seemingly unassailable whilst having year of shocks
11:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 120 @ 0.07607165 = 9.1286 BTC [-] {6}
11:25	mod6	lol bitcoinrag.
11:25	mod6	and fatass has had nohing but epic fuckups since like.. i dunno, 2010?
11:25	ThickAsThieves	i guess he does say "once"
11:25	ThickAsThieves	we are all unassailable once, after all
11:27	nubbins`	i dunno, i was raised roman catholic
11:27	nubbins`	afaik i was doomed from the start
11:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.07479166 = 0.8975 BTC [+] {5}
11:32	ThickAsThieves	<@gmaxwell> xiando: as far as mtgox's "proposal" having a stable-txid is handy, and sure we'll add that, in fact here is the code: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/1173eef630783a822d9a709cfbc22ba91880231e
11:32	ThickAsThieves	<@gmaxwell> But it does not solve mtgox's problems.
11:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00085386 = 25.9573 BTC [-] {3}
11:39	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=418
11:40	ThickAsThieves	"Contrary to Mt. Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault"
11:40	ThickAsThieves	I winder if theyll boot them
11:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-]
11:40	ThickAsThieves	"There are best practices to think about and account for by those who want to build companies. "
11:41	ThickAsThieves	there are?
11:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]
11:44	the20year3	With as much money as gox had coming in/going out , they should have had a full time seucrity team doing nothing but looking for weaknesses
11:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02740001 = 0.1096 BTC [-]
11:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00085674 = 16.1924 BTC [+] {2}
11:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02612917 = 0.6271 BTC [-] {8}
11:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]
11:57	diametric	lol mtgox "its bitcoins fault"
11:58	mircea_popescu	who's weeklyglobalresearch.wordpress.com ?
11:58	mircea_popescu	diametric let me guess, rettardit ?
11:58	ThickAsThieves	mtgoxit
11:59	chsados-work	has anyone been able to withdrawl btc from btc-e yet?
11:59	ThickAsThieves	they have issues too?
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.24028439 BTC to 1`293 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
11:59	mircea_popescu	the funny thing is, of course, that
11:59	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291274.msg3118741#msg3118741
11:59	ozbot	Hey Activeminers? You won't make your investment back.
12:00	punkman	btc-e goxed themselves too?
12:00	mircea_popescu	punkman they're being run upon.
12:01	ThickAsThieves	i have some altcoins there, that's about it
12:01	mircea_popescu	chsados-work very few people here actually traded there, afaik. but they seem to be having some sort of problem
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.0055 = 0.6325 BTC
12:04	ThickAsThieves	CoinDesk Removes Mt. Gox from Bitcoin Price Index
12:04	ThickAsThieves	it's happening!
12:05	mircea_popescu	ah this is so sweet.
12:06	mircea_popescu	definitely sweeter than the glbse thing.
12:06	mike_c	bitcoinaverage had a button to remove gox price from inception. can't wait for them to die, it will be better than SR dying.
12:07	mircea_popescu	anyone know the beauty and wonder that is mincemeat pie ?
12:07	ThickAsThieves	never had it whilst a carnivore
12:08	mircea_popescu	it's like lobster : so good it's illegal in some jurisdictions
12:09	joecool	and to think, lobster used to be poor man's food
12:10	mircea_popescu	so did this
12:10	mircea_popescu	well, technically, heretic's food
12:10	mircea_popescu	meat and fruit is an eastern combo, seeing how they had little choice in many places : either eat the figs or eat no veggies.
12:11	ThickAsThieves	the only seabugs i ever brang myself to eat were shrimp and perriwinkles
12:11	mircea_popescu	no lobster, ssly ?
12:11	ThickAsThieves	never
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+]
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [-]
12:11	ThickAsThieves	the smell makes me not hungry
12:12	ThickAsThieves	and scallops make me ill
12:12	ThickAsThieves	just the smell
12:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00280185 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {6}
12:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
12:18	deadweasel	roaches of the sea. i tried lobster again sicne I'm in Maine, but still, no stars, no amazing flavour, nothing. just sea cockroach meat.
12:18	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
12:19	deadweasel	marketing
12:21	ThickAsThieves	might be a taste bud, olefactory genetic thing
12:21	ThickAsThieves	also your brain is way smarter then you when it comes to cravings
12:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00079109 = 0.3338 BTC [-] {6}
12:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00078913 = 0.333 BTC [-] {4}
12:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2451 @ 0.00077295 = 1.8945 BTC [-] {7}
12:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07733333 = 0.232 BTC [+] {3}
12:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1004 @ 0.0007 = 0.7028 BTC [-] {3}
12:27	mircea_popescu	scallops are iffy in that they're really no good preserved
12:27	mircea_popescu	fresh from the hands of a greek chick i nthe water... diff story.
12:27	mircea_popescu	deadweasel that's the problem with you wisconsin goodfolk. you obviously lack some of the tastebuds
12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 407 @ 0.0007 = 0.2849 BTC [+] {2}
12:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC [+]
12:35	deadweasel	actualloy, the scallops I had in greece were excellent, I forgot about those.
12:36	deadweasel	actual alloy, the most real metal of our time.
12:36	mircea_popescu	lol
12:36	mircea_popescu	i tell you, you're having paint in painted containers and think o i don't like lobster/scallops/etc
12:36	mircea_popescu	tis not true.
12:36	ThickAsThieves	i enjoyed the olives in Cyprus
12:37	mircea_popescu	i tried once octopus in oil in some can
12:37	mircea_popescu	i nearly lost it
12:37	deadweasel	mircea_popescu: you're probaly right. the fresh shrimp aren't so bad, but I'll always prefer a grassfed beef cow.
12:37	mircea_popescu	that thing was the most objectionable piece of well used tyre
12:37	mircea_popescu	deadweasel the difference being chiefly that you know the people who serve the prime beef, but not the others
12:38	deadweasel	ha, yes, fresh octo is excellent! spear fished some in greece at breakfast time, at them at lunch
12:38	punkman	there's this restaurant in Barcelona that only serves food out of cans
12:38	deadweasel	it's true, I get my beef from a local farmer, it's not gray, it's actually Red!
12:38	mircea_popescu	yeah. gray meat wtf is that.
12:38	deadweasel	my body says no.. tried to eat store bought bacon this weekend, one bite, pitched it all in the garbage.
12:39	mircea_popescu	punkman you mean they cook already opened cans or do you mean they offer a selection of stuff like canned tennis balls etc ?
12:39	punkman	no mostly just open it, dump it on a plate and serve
12:39	mircea_popescu	deadweasel "oh, beef is horrible, tastes like bugs to me" derp
12:40	punkman	the canned goods sections in Spanish supermarkets are huge, they just love the stuff
12:40	mircea_popescu	some stuff is actually better canned
12:40	deadweasel	lol, i see what you did there.
12:40	mircea_popescu	corned beef say
12:40	deadweasel	^ nom
12:41	benkay	;;lasers
12:41	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
12:41	punkman	fish in sauce in a can always tastes awful for me
12:41	mircea_popescu	jesus god
12:42	mircea_popescu	lol i just had this idea for a short. typical airline interior, superhot stewardess, seamed stockings
12:42	mircea_popescu	suddenly she opens the hatch, pulls out a fishing cane
12:42	mircea_popescu	casts in the ocean
12:42	mircea_popescu	gotta prepare the lunch...
12:43	mircea_popescu	prolly decent ad for some airline somewhere
12:43	punkman	deadweasel, catching an octopus is just a great way to start the day
12:43	mircea_popescu	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086034/
12:43	ozbot	Octopussy (1983) - IMDb
12:43	mircea_popescu	^ great way to end the day
12:44	punkman	I'm gonna make some octopus stew tomorrow, maybe blog the recipe
12:45	mircea_popescu	you got a blog ?
12:46	punkman	not a recent one
12:46	punkman	but I gotta start writing again, maybe recipes will get me in the mood
12:46	mircea_popescu	a
12:51	mircea_popescu	also there are a bunch of terrines which you pretty much prefer canned...
12:52	mircea_popescu	and there's all the various caviar etc.
12:52	mircea_popescu	i guess you could run quite a kickass restaurant on cans only
12:52	punkman	mircea_popescu: they got pretty good reviews, http://www.yelp.com/biz/quimet-and-quimet-barcelona
12:53	jcpham	thankfully mtgox is here to save us from this whole bitcoin fuckup
12:53	mircea_popescu	lol
12:53	mircea_popescu	just like last time right ?
12:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC
12:53	jcpham	good 'ol bestgox to save the day
12:53	mircea_popescu	"Carrer del Poeta Cabanyes, 25"
12:53	mircea_popescu	dude that's a fucking address. why can't i have an address like that.
12:54	mircea_popescu	"i live at 19, the career of the herpyderp poet". sounds like it's from the adventures of knownot
12:55	joecool	"i live in a cardboard box down the street next to the guy who lives in a shoe"
12:55	joecool	etc
12:55	joecool	US census still has a "draw a picture of your address" section
12:56	mircea_popescu	(nikolai nosov book, neznaika)
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019262 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}
12:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.0008585 = 15.6247 BTC [+]
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 273 @ 0.0055 = 1.5015 BTC
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
13:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81019 @ 0.00086015 = 69.6885 BTC [+] {5}
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.047 = 0.47 BTC [-]
13:09	mircea_popescu	okay, the first to name a 90 year old blind general that took part in actual field hostilities gets 1000 ALTs
13:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00085747 = 17.4066 BTC [-]
13:15	kakobrekla	mark karpeles
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
13:17	mircea_popescu	haha
13:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00085997 = 22.4452 BTC [+] {2}
13:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55600014 = 1.668 BTC [-] {2}
13:24	Mats_cd03	'murican robert lee?
13:25	ThickAsThieves	William "Billy" Guste Jr.
13:26	ThickAsThieves	wait he wasnt blind
13:26	ThickAsThieves	lol
13:26	ThickAsThieves	was trying to find an old attorney general
13:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.000195 = 0.1755 BTC [+]
13:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.047 = 0.282 BTC [-]
13:33	ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbNmL6hSNKw#t=22
13:33	ozbot	Fish on Wheels - YouTube
13:35	mike_c	find/replace with 13,000 hits: sublime text ran for 15 minutes before i killed it. sed took < 1 second.
13:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9364 @ 0.00085772 = 8.0317 BTC [-]
13:41	punkman	mice_c, old age and treachery
13:42	ThickAsThieves	http://www.sigmalive.com/inbusiness/news/services/99911
13:44	wao-ender	mike_c: do it in haskell!
13:44	mike_c	sed is probably written in haskell. much speed.
13:49	mod6	mircea_popescu: was it Enrico Dandolo?
13:49	mod6	From the 4th Crusade?
13:50	ThickAsThieves	http://www.philenews.com/el-gr/oikonomia-kypros/146/184665/apantisi-tou-ds-tis-etaireias-neo-anaforika-me-anakoinosi-tis-kentrikis-trapezas
13:50	Mats_cd03	yeah thats it
13:55	Mats_cd03	now mod6 can retire to a private island
13:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 155 @ 0.0055 = 0.8525 BTC
13:56	punkman	ThickAsThieves: they aren't saying much, http://www.centralbank.gov.cy/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=13239
13:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC
14:00	mircea_popescu	mod6 wd!
14:00	mircea_popescu	post an addy will you
14:00	mod6	\o/ ty, Sir.
14:00	mod6	Sure thing
14:00	mod6	1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6
14:01	kakobrekla	just keep it at pankakaes wallet
14:01	kakobrekla	bah
14:01	mircea_popescu	1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6 pankkake pls to pay 1k atc
14:01	mod6	tyvm :D
14:01	mircea_popescu	this was fun.
14:01	mod6	*nod*
14:01	nubbins`	mincemeat pie
14:01	nubbins`	closest i've had is shepherd's pie, which i suspect is not the same at all
14:01	nubbins`	mince pies have pastry tops, yes?
14:02	kakobrekla	if everyone uses pankake we dont even need blockchain at all
14:02	kakobrekla	that would be a real revolution i saa
14:02	kakobrekla	say
14:02	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yep
14:02	mircea_popescu	the rape of the pankkake ?
14:02	kakobrekla	save on hashpower and hdds
14:02	mike_c	a centralized altcoin. there's an innovation for you.
14:03	mike_c	the blockchain is log.bitcoin-assets.com
14:03	nubbins`	speaking of seafood
14:03	nubbins`	cuttlefish jerky was big in korea
14:03	nubbins`	i developed a fondness for it
14:03	nubbins`	served with hot mayonnaise, natch
14:04	kakobrekla	lol true dat mike
14:04	kakobrekla	might have to shut it down now!
14:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC
14:07	mjr_	so...
14:07	mjr_	is gox finally dead
14:07	mjr_	?
14:08	kakobrekla	yeah they self killed themselfs
14:08	nubbins`	ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho
14:09	kakobrekla	its been dead yea, bit people want to belie
14:09	kakobrekla	believe
14:10	kakobrekla	dammit, but people want to believe, is what i meant to say
14:10	nubbins`	heh
14:10	nubbins`	bit people do as well
14:11	deadweasel	pankkakechain
14:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00544001 = 0.1034 BTC [-]
14:12	deadweasel	sounds like a sex act of dubious value
14:14	mircea_popescu	<nubbins`> ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho <<
14:14	mircea_popescu	you should see the fucktarded "press".
14:14	mircea_popescu	"bitcoin defaults"
14:15	deadweasel	lol at comment: This is surprising.
14:15	deadweasel	So a guy who calls himself "Magical Tux" and describes himself as "PHP Developer working on some weird stuff, like a mail server (POP3/IMAP4/SMTP) written in PHP" was not able to build a reliable worldwide exchange?
14:16	nubbins`	HEH
14:16	nubbins`	"weird stuff"
14:16	Duffer1	http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176341-mt-gox-tries-to-pin-its-own-incompetence-on-bitcoin-bug
14:16	ozbot	Mt. Gox tries to pin its own incompetence on Bitcoin bug | ExtremeTech
14:16	Duffer1	hurray for extremetech
14:16	asciilifeform	so 'gox == btc' is still being farted out by Fucktard Press
14:16	deadweasel	!b1
14:16	deadweasel	fuckit
14:16	deadweasel	;;fuckit
14:16	gribble	Error: "fuckit" is not a valid command.
14:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform will be for a while
14:17	nubbins`	Fucktard Press, Inc.
14:17	mircea_popescu	glbse = finance had been the rallying cry of the walking dead all through 2012
14:17	asciilifeform	prediction: a 'new, exciting' replacement, similar to gox circa 2012, will be inserted in its place
14:17	asciilifeform	once Fucktard Finance, Inc. cranks one out
14:18	nubbins`	a division of Fucktard Global
14:18	mircea_popescu	no wai, yo uthink ?!
14:19	asciilifeform	can't wait to see what other 'bugs' in the protocol 'must be fixed!' before 'our children and the homeland are safe'
14:20	asciilifeform	puzzle: why is gox not involved with alt-scams? i thought this was 'mandatory' for Fucktard Finance Inc. now.
14:21	deadweasel	did they ever implement litcoin?? Their saying they 'might' is involvment with altscams.
14:21	diametric	they did not
14:21	mike_c	hehe. fucktard press quotes could be as good as coinion. "bitcoin fatal flaw: transactions can't be reversed"
14:22	mike_c	http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/once-you-use-bitcoin-you-cant-go-back-and-that-irreversibility-is-its-fatal-flaw/
14:22	Duffer1	lol
14:22	ozbot	Once You Use Bitcoin You Can't Go 'Back' — And That's Its Fatal Flaw | Wired Opinion | Wired.com
14:22	asciilifeform	it is quite odd that gox never rolled out 'goxcoin'
14:22	diametric	At least some people seem to see through mtgox's bullshit
14:23	nubbins`	asciilifeform, i groan at the number of exchanges that support altscams
14:23	kakobrekla	http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/suicide-bomber-kills-suicide-bomers
14:23	ozbot	Suicide Bomber Instructor Blows Up Suicide Bombers-In-Training
14:23	nubbins`	"hey a new canadian exchange! great!"
14:23	nubbins`	"...oh, they support doge"
14:23	mircea_popescu	mike_c they been running that shit since about 2012
14:23	mircea_popescu	something awful's talking points.
14:24	mircea_popescu	diametric from the get-go the entire scamset (mtgox and bfl and pirate and etc) were working together under the guise of the foundation thing.
14:25	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the 'bitcoin magazine' gang?
14:25	mircea_popescu	not particularly accidental that they vouched for the bfl scam, not happenstance that they still are covering for vessenes' frauds
14:25	nubbins`	i tell ya, the time is ripe for the Bitcoin Authority to rear its head
14:25	mircea_popescu	not coincidental that they're trying to cover for gox now.
14:25	nubbins`	shrem, karpopopopopolel, etc
14:25	mircea_popescu	and not at all unrelated to how we just ain't friends.
14:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform myea.
14:26	asciilifeform	if these folks had half a brain, they'd be pushing the 'altscam to rule them all' about now.
14:26	mircea_popescu	now and again i take one of their guys, send him flying through three sheets of frozen glass, distribute the photos. it's really a lot of fun.
14:27	asciilifeform	complete with master keys (bonus if hidden), artificial infusions of fiat to pump up 'value', collaboration with governments...
14:27	jurov	who tf names their company coinsulting?
14:27	mircea_popescu	jurov ahaha they done got your nigger.txt one better
14:27	nubbins`	co-insulting
14:27	jurov	just got borderline lulzy spam from them
14:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they be kids.
14:27	jurov	Our firm Coinsulting Ltd. is first Crypto consulting agency specializing on compliance services for Bitcoin businesses. We advise our clients how to do their business legally all around the world. On March 22nd 2014, we are organizing a Bitcoin event in Shanghai, China called BTCrisis conference.
14:27	asciilifeform	'expertSexchange'
14:27	nubbins`	heh
14:28	mircea_popescu	jurov conveniently omitting to name any of those clients which they advised
14:28	nubbins`	i dunno
14:28	nubbins`	http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/gox-screen.jpg
14:28	mircea_popescu	was it what, bitfunder ? mtgox ? coinwhateveritwas ?
14:28	nubbins`	you trust a guy who sits on one of those, you deserve what you get
14:28	mircea_popescu	nubbins` when you're fat and you dork with computers a lot your lower back suffers.
14:29	nubbins`	sure, so stand up
14:29	nubbins`	you can tell he's forced the other guy to sit on one, too
14:29	asciilifeform	that rubber ball isn't a medical cure, it's a 'silicon valley' fucktard inc. 'dog whistle' signal.
14:29	nubbins`	"take a seat"
14:29	jurov	If you are interested in becoming a Coinsultant, this is a right time for you. Coinsulting family is growing same as Crypto Currencies do. In case you consider yourself being the right one, please send us your CV at careers@coinsulting.net
14:29	nubbins`	balls everywhere
14:29	jurov	hahahahaha
14:30	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it forces you to constantly adjust your vertical. it helps.
14:30	asciilifeform	wonder if andreesen horowitz (or whoever) actually issues those balls...
14:30	mircea_popescu	they probably have an approved brand
14:30	asciilifeform	i imagine it came out of somewhere quasi-rational, sure. but it seems to have this other purpose now, as well.
14:30	jurov	prolly i'll advise to rename themselves to coinslutants
14:31	benkay	sitting on a ball isn't going to fix the health problem of being obese.
14:31	nubbins`	^
14:31	nubbins`	heh
14:31	wao-ender	coinsluts, right.
14:31	nubbins`	how he'll die young with good posture
14:31	benkay	fuckin priorities do you got 'em?
14:31	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no argument, more dogwhistle than anything by now
14:31	benkay	FUKKEN PRIORITIES!!!@1!
14:31	mircea_popescu	benkay i never fucked Priorities, no. is she hawt ?
14:31	nubbins`	hot, but always busy
14:32	mircea_popescu	mwh.
14:32	asciilifeform	eventually the ball will go out of fashion, and they will move to those treadmill-plus-laptop gadgets or somesuch.
14:32	KRS1	.bait
14:32	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg
14:32	KRS1	I think I've seen all of these...moar plz.
14:33	asciilifeform	any 'teledildonics' experts here? what's the state-of-the-art in exercise-powered diddling machines
14:33	nubbins`	;;ud mwh
14:33	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=MWH+yo | ... home Nolifing WoW. mark as favorite buy nolifing mugs & shirts · computer games 1337 video speak by MWH yo January 31, 2009 add a video add an image ...
14:33	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: Author MWH yo
14:33	nubbins`	asciilifeform, using a laptop on a treadmill is brutal
14:34	asciilifeform	nubbins`: could be made to work. 'chording keyboard' in the handlebars.
14:34	nubbins`	there ya go
14:35	kakobrekla	and move mouse with your dick
14:35	nubbins`	the whole "laptop tray across the bars" thing doesn't work
14:35	nubbins`	no arm support
14:35	nubbins`	bad for your neck too
14:35	mircea_popescu	nubbins` but what if you were solidly anchored in a 9 inch solid steel
14:35	mircea_popescu	buttplug ?
14:35	asciilifeform	ocular in place of laptop screen.
14:35	nubbins`	then you better not stop walking :D
14:36	mircea_popescu	could even have the error ding as a vibration
14:36	benkay	i want my display on one six-axis arm, and my kb on another. then i want the controller to optimize positioning of kb and monitor indpendently to optimize my posture.
14:36	benkay	and i want this thing to follow me everywhere.
14:36	mircea_popescu	and i want to shoot benkay
14:36	benkay	outta mah FACE
14:36	mircea_popescu	shot shot
14:36	mircea_popescu	in da butt
14:36	benkay	go home mircea_popescu you're drunk
14:37	mircea_popescu	drunk@home
14:37	mircea_popescu	should be a tumblr
14:37	nubbins`	distributed drinking
14:38	pankkake	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#495235 looks like everything he uses turns out to be a scam
14:38	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
14:38	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-shot-in-dominican-republic-as-manitoba-students-watch-1.2519822
14:38	ozbot	Canadian shot in Dominican Republic as Manitoba students watch - Manitoba - CBC News
14:39	pankkake	also, ATC sent to mod6
14:39	nubbins`	guy gets shot NINE TIMES while cracking heads
14:39	the20year3	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apo1scQacB7XdHd3UVh5MlhtUU1DY1ZlUEVDNG04d0E&usp=sharing
14:39	ozbot	Google Drive
14:40	mircea_popescu	pankkake some peeps are lucky like that
14:40	mircea_popescu	you can usually recognise them by how they rant @mpoe-pr
14:40	mircea_popescu	and ty.
14:40	mod6	thx pankkake!
14:41	pankkake	http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2014/02/10/why-mtgox-is-full-of-shit/
14:41	ozbot	Why Mt. Gox is full of shit - joepie91's Ramblings
14:41	pankkake	interesting, blaming Bitcoin, like bitfunder
14:42	mircea_popescu	derp.
14:42	asciilifeform	the otherwise-inconsequential 'tx id' shenanigans: is that how satoshidice was pwned?
14:42	mircea_popescu	inb4 karpeles comes out in march with a "well we can't say anything but not even bitfunder said anything yet so"
14:42	asciilifeform	(if i recall, they fed their PRNG tx id for a seed)
14:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was sd pwned ?
14:42	the20year3	Who's running a scam?
14:43	asciilifeform	pwned in the sense of certain people taking home astronomically-improbable winnings
14:43	nubbins`	the20year3, almost everyone
14:43	Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, you're right
14:43	mircea_popescu	not quite afaik
14:43	the20year3	is this TAT's fund or someone else's?
14:43	mircea_popescu	the20year3 follow the link eh. it's some greg guy on the forum
14:44	wao-ender	v0v, so, gox is out of business by delisting from price trackers, imma right?
14:45	diametric	gox will live on as people trade non-existent bitcoins internal to their platform.
14:45	mircea_popescu	wao-ender end of the road for them yea
14:45	mircea_popescu	in a sense they had been slowly being decoupled from btc economy since april 2013.
14:45	wao-ender	end of line (c) Tron.
14:45	mircea_popescu	it was well managed in that the eventual final shock surprised/shocked no one
14:45	asciilifeform	they'll simply 'repay' their chumps in 'goxcoin', as soon as mr. k gets gcc working on his box.
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14:45	wao-ender	yeah, also I was well played, controlled implosion.
14:46	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform can you even compile gcc in php ?
14:46	asciilifeform	they'll use that online 'alcoin generator', as soon as it gets a '100% premined' ticky-box in the menu.
14:47	Dimsler_	karples that fat fucking nerd
14:47	Dimsler_	can't way till hes out of the fucking picture
14:47	asciilifeform	'ponzigen.com' ?
14:47	asciilifeform	or, for the techno-trendiness points, 'mkponzi'
14:49	asciilifeform	for extra fee, will pump (and dump) automagically...
14:49	wao-ender	these guys http://cryptortrust.com/ looks like scam to me. Do someone know them?
14:50	mircea_popescu	nop
14:50	twizt	wao-ender:
14:50	pankkake	Cryptor Trust Inc. ‘s <- can't use correct typography, scam
14:51	twizt	do u trust ur own financial advisor
14:51	twizt	?
14:54	jurov	in coinslutants we trust
14:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.047 = 0.658 BTC [-]
14:56	benkay	in sluts we trust.
14:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04897954 = 0.2939 BTC [+] {2}
15:00	ThickAsThieves	<the20year3> is this TAT's fund or someone else's? ---- it was referring to Dr Greg
15:00	deadweasel	;;getrating slut-trust
15:00	gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
15:01	ThickAsThieves	i'm no longer destitute
15:01	ThickAsThieves	i haz ATCs
15:02	deadweasel	not destitute, prostitute
15:02	ThickAsThieves	"The only way to quickly buy bitcoins requires cash: a consuming, hastle-prone step." how you know an article is garbage
15:03	pankkake	;;ud slut
15:03	pankkake	uh.
15:03	pankkake	well it would have shown "a woman with the morals of a man"
15:03	ThickAsThieves	"Even at a 10 billion dollar market cap — the peak achieved by Beanie Babies in 1999 — bitcoin is almost irrelevant in financial terms."
15:03	pankkake	"Someone who provides a very needed service for the community"
15:04	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves who's that ?
15:05	ThickAsThieves	Wired
15:05	mircea_popescu	i need a name.
15:05	ThickAsThieves	sec
15:05	mircea_popescu	for my little black book.
15:05	asciilifeform	pederasts.txt ?
15:05	pankkake	you might want to do a whilelist instead
15:06	ThickAsThieves	@NCWeaver
15:06	mircea_popescu	nicholas Weaver
15:06	mircea_popescu	pankkake but i don't.
15:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, just preparing the workrolls for the uranium mines of the future.
15:06	ThickAsThieves	wot does that
15:06	mircea_popescu	kiddos born in the "you can do anything" utopia have little idea just how much impact deeds and misdeeds actually have on their own future.
15:06	asciilifeform	aha. plenty of yellow mud left at Butugichag for these folks.
15:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00298729 = 0.4182 BTC [+] {3}
15:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02501001 = 0.4002 BTC [-] {3}
15:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.557 BTC [+]
15:09	benkay	yikes.
15:11	the20year3	I haven't read much on dr greg
15:11	ThickAsThieves	he says a lot of words when he talk
15:11	ThickAsThieves	s
15:11	ThickAsThieves	he's probably Deprived when sober
15:11	the20year3	In my brother's short 15 minute conversation with DHL ,the rep/head sure did seem to understand the massive benefit to acceptance
15:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13513 @ 0.00086072 = 11.6309 BTC [+]
15:13	mircea_popescu	generally it's not that they don't understand the benefits of acceptance.
15:14	moiety	evenin'
15:14	mircea_popescu	generally it's that they don't understand the benefits of submission
15:14	mircea_popescu	they can't put up with the notion that much smarter, much better people are there to lead them, so they end up with issues such as starting alt coins,
15:14	mircea_popescu	"waiting for adoption"
15:14	mircea_popescu	etc etc.
15:16	mircea_popescu	moiety heya
15:17	benkay	o/ moiety
15:19	moiety	how are we all and am i speaking in the correct language today?
15:20	mircea_popescu	ja je bent
15:20	davout	spreek jij ook nu nederlands heh?
15:20	davout	leuk
15:21	mircea_popescu	een beetje :D
15:21	mike_c	damn, JD investors kicking ass last few months. nov/dec/jan returns are 4%, 5.2%, 6.5%
15:21	mircea_popescu	.jd
15:21	pankkake	!jd
15:21	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
15:21	Duffer1	nokawa stop gambling?
15:21	mircea_popescu	a ok
15:21	pankkake	I think so
15:21	mircea_popescu	derp
15:21	mircea_popescu	mike_c did it reach ev yet or notrly ?
15:22	pankkake	Doge-Dice looks even more profitable than Just-Dice though :p
15:22	mike_c	it's been tracking pretty closely last few months
15:22	mike_c	https://bitcoinproject.net/justdice.php
15:22	mircea_popescu	arguably the jd risk is actually > mpbond risk
15:23	mircea_popescu	then again i guess arguably the reverse is true too
15:23	mike_c	hm. how would you argue that? :)
15:24	mircea_popescu	which of the two ?
15:24	mike_c	jd risk > mpbor risk
15:25	mike_c	i know how to quantify jd risk. mpbor i'm still floundering a bit..
15:25	mircea_popescu	jd bot takes 1% margin. mpbot takes significantly more.,
15:25	mjr_	mircea_popescu: i just saw you have a euro future, nice
15:25	mjr_	was wondering what the index was for options now
15:25	nubbins`	i had a dream that i visited romania last night
15:25	nubbins`	very nice country, lots of red roofs
15:26	mircea_popescu	mjr_ same as always, bitcoincahrts
15:26	mike_c	that's only one piece of the risk though, volatility on mpbor is so unpredictable.
15:26	mircea_popescu	nubbins` there are.
15:26	mjr_	mircea_popescu: does that include gox then?
15:26	davout	mircea_popescu: i'd argue it's easier to measure the risk on something random, uniformly distributed than on something chaotic
15:26	mircea_popescu	mike_c i did say "arguably" did i
15:26	mike_c	yes
15:26	mircea_popescu	davout how do you know it's uniformly distributed in the first place ?
15:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
15:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
15:27	mircea_popescu	mjr_ not anymore afaik
15:27	davout	the JD rolls
15:27	mircea_popescu	yes, the jd rolls.
15:27	davout	aren't they?
15:27	moiety	Ik moet deze taal kennen. Ik ben geboren in Nederland. nokawa is the whale high roller man right?
15:27	mircea_popescu	that's not the point lol. how do you know they are ?
15:27	mike_c	but the risk on JD is all about the whales
15:27	mike_c	and they are not uniformly distributed
15:27	davout	moiety: waar in nederland ?
15:27	davout	mircea_popescu: because of the way it's computed
15:27	mircea_popescu	what, a wizard did it ?
15:27	mircea_popescu	either show it or don't show it.
15:28	mike_c	but rolls != volatility. rolls being uniformly distributed does not mean returns will be predictable.
15:28	kakobrekla	!jd
15:28	assbot	Just-Dice stat: 13119 BTC profit, 40.1k BTC invested, 611.46 mio bets, 4.97 mio BTC wagered
15:28	mircea_popescu	mike_c even sidestepping the whale issue. who told you that the way they compute is actually uniformly distributed ?
15:29	mircea_popescu	whoa that's awful, -70% ?
15:29	mircea_popescu	;;calc 13119 / 49700
15:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]
15:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
15:29	mike_c	the only concern for an investor would be that their computation method has an exploitable flaw
15:29	davout	what i'm trying to say is that the returns on JD are based on something random, on which you can use statistics to infer stuff, on the other hand, market prices are not random, but chaotic, hence it not being comparable
15:29	mike_c	that is greater than 1% edge.
15:29	mjr_	still looks like mt gox is part of bitcoincharts
15:30	mjr_	but i haven't verified it yet
15:30	mircea_popescu	davout just because something is based on something random you can't actually proclaim it uniform tho
15:30	mircea_popescu	f(x) = x + rnd(x) is based on something random and quite biased
15:30	mjr_	its listed under USD markets...
15:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.55092307 = 7.162 BTC [-] {5}
15:30	davout	the distribution is irrelavant, what i'm saying is that there is one
15:30	mircea_popescu	ok so there is one.
15:30	davout	whereas on chaotic values there is no distribution, no mean, no standard deviation etc
15:30	mircea_popescu	><
15:31	mircea_popescu	what are you, like new ?
15:31	davout	talk to me like i'm five, or a golden retriever for that matter
15:31	mircea_popescu	any set has a mean.
15:31	davout	any finite set has a mean
15:32	mircea_popescu	once it has a mean, any element of that set has a sdev
15:32	mircea_popescu	what, you're proposing jd is working on infinite sets ?
15:32	davout	no, i'm saying there are fundamental differences in random values, and chaotic values
15:32	davout	s/in/between/
15:32	mircea_popescu	such as ?
15:33	jurov	jd game will always be between 1 and 65565
15:33	jurov	whereas bitcoin price ?
15:33	davout	them not obeying the usual laws of statistics
15:33	mike_c	yeah, but nobody cares what the rolls are, we care about investor returns.
15:33	mircea_popescu	what is this, mysticity ?
15:33	davout	hang on, gonna fish that book about chaos i read a while ago, really really interesting read
15:33	mircea_popescu	jurov but any option will be worth between itself and nothing
15:34	mike_c	it only matters if investor returns on JD are predictable. which 1) they are if there are a bunch of small bettors, 2) they are not if there are whales.
15:35	mircea_popescu	anyway. this discussion is not really resolvable, hence the arguables early on
15:35	mircea_popescu	we could talk about it 4evar
15:35	mike_c	before we shut it down, i've been trying to figure out how mpbor capital needs are calculated.
15:35	mike_c	you confused me the other day when you said the put sales didn't trigger a capital need by mpoe
15:36	benkay	largest amount of btc needed to cover positions over the course of the month, right?
15:36	mike_c	oh, so it only triggers a capital need if the price moves adversely?
15:36	mircea_popescu	mike_c i said that ?!
15:36	davout	mircea_popescu: this guy, read it if you haven't already -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science
15:37	mircea_popescu	benkay yes.
15:37	mircea_popescu	mike_c say wut ?
15:37	mike_c	i will fish it out of logs
15:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73750 @ 0.00085915 = 63.3623 BTC [-] {5}
15:37	benkay	chaos theory is the best theory
15:38	nubbins`	nonlinear differential equations
15:38	davout	o/
15:38	nubbins`	did a course on them in uni
15:38	nubbins`	fun stuff
15:38	benkay	indeed indeed
15:38	benkay	fun programming exercise: make a thing that demonstrates "real" chaos
15:39	nubbins`	aha, found a casascius buyer!
15:39	mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479378
15:39	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
15:39	nubbins`	these things actually turned out to be a pretty good investment
15:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00085677 = 32.2146 BTC [-] {3}
15:39	mike_c	mircea_popescu:nah cause they're sales see << maybe you were referring to something else
15:40	jurov	these options were covered by seller, not by mpoe
15:41	mike_c	right, but mpoe had to buy them, where did that money come from?
15:41	nubbins`	doge
15:42	mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah seriously.
15:42	mircea_popescu	whosoever sells an option has first to create it, which takes collateral. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month.
15:43	mircea_popescu	whosoever buys an option must has the btc to pay for it. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month
15:43	mircea_popescu	at the end of the month the widest berth of that collateral need is taken as "the needed collatera" figure
15:44	mike_c	ok, so by purchasing those options it did trigger a capital need that bondholders will collect interest on. right?
15:44	mircea_popescu	yep
15:44	mike_c	k, thx
15:45	mircea_popescu	Feb 04 22:05:18 <jurov>!t m ^oix
15:45	mircea_popescu	Feb 04 22:05:19 <jurov>..computing...
15:45	mircea_popescu	Feb 04 22:05:19 <assbot>[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
15:45	mircea_popescu	Feb 04 22:05:57 <mircea_popescu>nah cause they're sales see
15:45	mircea_popescu	it was in response to jurov's command. they wouldn't show in oix cause they're sales.
15:47	nubbins`	supposing there's a month where no collateral is needed, bondholders collect no interest?
15:47	mircea_popescu	yea
15:48	mircea_popescu	just like you know, if nobody plays on jd for a month investors collect no interest
15:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2494 @ 0.00018991 = 0.4736 BTC [-] {2}
15:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00543898 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {2}
15:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1228 @ 0.00018992 = 0.2332 BTC [+] {2}
15:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02501002 = 0.1251 BTC [+]
		~ 17 minutes ~
16:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019676 = 0.1968 BTC [+] {5}
16:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
16:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57998273 = 2.8999 BTC [+] {4}
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58499977 BTC [+]
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2}
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
16:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11916666 = 0.3575 BTC [+] {3}
16:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
16:23	mike_c	too bad nobody seems to put on that play. watching the movie instead seems like a bad idea.
16:24	nubbins`	what play
16:24	Shakespeare	The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape.
16:24	mike_c	merchant of venice.
16:24	nubbins`	ah
16:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3}
16:29	Shakespeare	http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2014/02/10/coinbit.aspx
16:29	ozbot	Bitcoin Conversion Now Live - Search Blog
16:29	nubbins`	was about to lel @ .aspx until i noticed the domain
16:30	dub	the fuck is bing
16:30	nubbins`	microsoft google
16:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
16:30	dub	yeah but
16:31	mircea_popescu	mike_c the al pacino movie is almost ok
16:31	mircea_popescu	but the play itself is great.
16:31	nubbins`	they were the first search engine to do thumbnail video previews!
16:32	asciilifeform	when do we get 'microshit coin' ?
16:32	mircea_popescu	yet there's no search engine doing gif video encoding on teh fly
16:32	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, a loss for us all
16:32	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform never because fuctards are more interested in "saving the world" in the shape of doing something or the other in africa
16:32	mircea_popescu	as if.
16:32	nubbins`	meantime, GIMP is capable gif creator
16:33	Shakespeare	actually
16:33	nubbins`	you append the name of each layer with a time in milliseconds
16:33	nubbins`	e.g. Layer1 (5ms)
16:33	nubbins`	save as .gif
16:33	Shakespeare	Bill Gates: "Over the next 5 years I think digital money will catch on in India and parts of Africa and help the poorest a lot."
16:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
16:33	mircea_popescu	nubbins` http://xmodulo.com/2013/11/convert-video-animated-gif-image-linux.html
16:34	Shakespeare	The motions of his spirit are as dull as night..
16:34	mircea_popescu	it's just two lines in an awk
16:34	mircea_popescu	but most of the world doesn't have linux cause they live in the poor world which gates helped.
16:34	nubbins`	oh hey, look
16:35	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall your essay on 'the cost of linux' ?
16:35	BingoBoingo	Shylock should have been the hero
16:35	asciilifeform	or was that here in the channel
16:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. nevertheless, insteaf of teaching the fucktarded horde to chant "white privilege" "global warming" "feed the hungry"
16:36	mircea_popescu	you could just as well teach them to chant "ffmpeg" "awk" "youtube-dt" etc
16:36	mircea_popescu	purely arbitrary what they chant.
16:36	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo shylock was the hero.
16:36	mircea_popescu	who do you figure the hero was, portia ?
16:37	mircea_popescu	she's just "nature"
16:37	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, he lost in that travesty of fiat justice at the end
16:37	mircea_popescu	nah nah not at all.
16:37	BingoBoingo	I figured the hero was the storms that sunk the ships
16:37	asciilifeform	bonus points for anybody who can crap out a scripting language where all valid proggys are chantable.
16:37	mircea_popescu	portia ie athena points out to him that mere words without context decay into meaninglessness
16:37	mircea_popescu	"have you a surgeon ? " "tis not in the bond"
16:37	asciilifeform	(herr moldbug sort of tried this, half-heartedly)
16:37	mircea_popescu	"neither is any leverage for blood spilling on the ground"
16:37	mircea_popescu	in this she has a point, and so shylock has learned something new about contracts.
16:38	BingoBoingo	I haven't thought much about that play in about a decade
16:39	mircea_popescu	it's actually very deep
16:39	mircea_popescu	just, the ripeness of its depth is not directly observable for bitcoin noobs
16:39	mircea_popescu	which is... everyone up until 2012 or so
16:39	mircea_popescu	but otherwise... this is art, that's how you know it : you only find out later hw deep it really was.
16:40	asciilifeform	the 'eternally noobile' are almost a species unto themselves.
16:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085547 = 2.8231 BTC [-]
16:40	mircea_popescu	bassaro and the other ghuy are mere puppets, nessie even says to her guy
16:40	mircea_popescu	"you're lucky i'm not hearing you"
16:41	mircea_popescu	i say this to my slaves all the time.
16:42	Shakespeare	maybe you'd prefer, "have your mouth fill'd up. Before you open it."
16:43	mircea_popescu	lol
16:45	mircea_popescu	words in principle are meaningless, and cultural references idem could serve both a thesis and its anti
16:46	mircea_popescu	("a new daniel has come!" "a daniel, thank you for teaching me a new word!")
16:46	mircea_popescu	which is why self-enforcing contracts are such ridiculous nonsense.
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16:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0008611 = 5.6833 BTC [+]
16:48	jurov	;;seen namworld
16:57	pankkake	;;seen gribble
16:57	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/FEgSzma.gif
16:59	deadweasel	davout: read that when I was 18, changed everything.
16:59	Dimsler_	lol
17:00	Dimsler_	i got 2 of those
17:00	Dimsler_	long haired
17:00	Apocalyptic	deadweasel, you read what ?
17:01	pizzaman1337	Apocalyptic: davout mentioned this earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science
17:01	deadweasel	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science
17:01	ozbot	Chaos: Making a New Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:01	Apocalyptic	missed the link, thanks
17:01	deadweasel	np
17:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]
17:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
17:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0765 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2}
17:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-]
17:10	davout	Apocalyptic pizzaman1337 deadweasel this book is really really awesome, order it now, do it
17:10	davout	(for those who haven't read it already :-) )
17:11	Shakespeare	Mark Zuckerberg, Wife Were Most Generous Philanthropists In 2013
17:12	deadweasel	in fact, buy two, give one to an idiot.
17:12	deadweasel	or loved one, or both, should that be the case
17:14	Shakespeare	Hide not thy poison with such sugar'd words, Mark.
17:18	mircea_popescu	;p;
17:21	BingoBoingo	https://imgflip.com/gif/6pd9p
17:22	Shakespeare	;;goxlag
17:22	gribble	MtGox lag is 1488.827797 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.98359423544 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).
17:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00085649 = 29.292 BTC [-]
17:28	Shakespeare	"Michael Gronager, COO from Kraken, a U.S.-based exchange that currently specializes in trading euros for bitcoin, said attacks that exploit transaction malleability have grown rapidly from being almost non-existent in the bitcoin economy a couple of weeks ago to 4,000 false claims for non-payment on Sunday alone."
17:28	Shakespeare	specializes in trading euros for bitcoin
17:28	Shakespeare	U.S.-based exchange
17:29	deadweasel	so it is an auto-bot
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 2145 @ 0.0055 = 11.7975 BTC
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04824967 = 0.1447 BTC [-]
17:29	deadweasel	wisely exploited
17:29	Shakespeare	"Okay, dogecoiners, you got us. It may surprise people who don’t even know about bitcoin to learn that there are number of alternative, electronic currencies out there. They include litecoin, Ripples, Mastercoin, Quark, the soon-to-come auroracoin (for Icelanders)…and dogecoin, a newcomer that started out just in December as something of a joke"
17:29	Shakespeare	~WSJ
17:30	Shakespeare	no mention of Altcoin wtf
17:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
17:30	dub	inexcusable
17:31	dub	clearly this 'wall street' knows nothing of finance
17:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.121 = 0.363 BTC [+] {3}
17:31	Shakespeare	they mentioned Ripples after all
17:31	Shakespeare	doge i can understandf
17:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085904 = 11.4252 BTC [+]
17:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
17:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
17:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+]
17:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]
17:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+]
17:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+]
17:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.12175 = 2.1915 BTC [+]
17:51	dub	http://rt.com/news/us-military-sex-abuse-281/
17:51	dub	do they have maff in russia
17:54	dub	comments..
17:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04897953 = 1.4694 BTC [+]
17:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12279999 = 1.228 BTC [+] {4}
17:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16585 @ 0.00085868 = 14.2412 BTC [-]
17:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1249 BTC [+]
18:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [+]
18:01	kakobrekla	look what i found on rt , since you linked it
18:01	kakobrekla	http://rt.com/usa/bitcoin-florida-laundering-arrest-431/
18:01	kakobrekla	exchange couple of btc and get fucked.
18:02	kakobrekla	Espinoza, prosecutors allege, arranged such a deal with an undercover agent in early December in which that officer paid $500 for 0.403 BTC, in turn generating a profit of around $83.67 for the seller. Investigators then arranged for a second transaction to occur days later, that time purchasing 1 BTC for $1,000 and earning Espinoza around $167.56 through fees as a result.
18:02	kakobrekla	OH MY 160 bucks terrorists!
18:03	dub	cryptoterrorists
18:04	dub	a messican and cunukistani, what were they even doing in gods great nation
18:04	Shakespeare	shitty
18:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0549995 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2}
18:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.05504657 = 0.8257 BTC [+] {4}
18:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.05509999 = 0.6612 BTC [+] {3}
18:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05509999 = 0.2204 BTC [+]
18:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07271427 = 0.509 BTC [+] {4}
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
18:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1212 = 0.2424 BTC [-]
18:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08349998 = 0.501 BTC [+] {4}
18:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
18:18	mircea_popescu	basically this is butthurt over btc not giving a shit.
18:18	mircea_popescu	"and then i said to him, we intend to break the us law, your honor, and he said i don't give a shit about this us you speak of"
18:18	mircea_popescu	"BURN THE WITCH!!1"
18:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1225 BTC [-]
18:22	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1 @ 0.6125182 BTC [+]
18:23	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456983.msg5055951#msg5055951 bwhaha
18:23	Duffer1	"and allows for near-perfect anonymity. " uhh...
18:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
18:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1760 @ 0.00019089 = 0.336 BTC [-] {5}
18:26	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 16 @ 0.61133429 = 9.7813 BTC [-]
18:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.0008611 = 0.3444 BTC [+]
18:26	mircea_popescu	"Of course, all i am saying is true. Just wait, time will tell. I am not here to scam anyone. Period."
18:26	mircea_popescu	derp
18:27	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 10 @ 0.61133429 = 6.1133 BTC [-]
18:29	mike_c	^ it can't go any lower!
18:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00086137 = 18.261 BTC [+]
18:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018992 = 0.1899 BTC [-] {3}
18:31	mircea_popescu	mebbe not
18:35	mircea_popescu	anyway, re the earlier money laundering bs
18:35	mircea_popescu	unless the state gets a plea bargain they're going to be humiliated at trial.
18:35	mircea_popescu	there's absolutely no way a judge actually even hears the case of 500 dollars "money laundering"
18:35	mircea_popescu	cause some dood sold some online shit
18:36	KRS1	ridiculous
18:36	Mats_cd03	how optimistic
18:36	mircea_popescu	either that or they're getting all the WoW sword of x "money laundering" cases into their state,
18:36	mircea_popescu	and they'll never see the end of that docket.
18:37	mircea_popescu	then the media frenzy of "the state of florida spent $195,000 taxpayer dollars to harass some random guy playing online, and got laughed out of court for it"
18:37	mircea_popescu	"meanwhile we have 8739843 unresolved rapes, murders, arson, kidnapping, robbery and assaults"
18:38	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 7 @ 0.61135724 = 4.2795 BTC [+]
18:38	mircea_popescu	but i guess the settlement culture being what it is... they figure they got a shot.
18:39	KRS1	Of the 50 states, I'll admit, Florida is different with reguard to legislation..but certainly not the worst. Has something to do with being part of the historical "deep south".
18:40	mircea_popescu	regardless of that, tho.
18:41	mircea_popescu	it's quite visible what happened there, mongoloid cops went to the da with their "investigation", da told them he won't prosecute
18:41	mircea_popescu	so they went back and derped about 57439875983489 dollars and IDENTITY THEFT etc
18:41	mircea_popescu	the da hasn't passed on it for w/e reason, but it's hardly a case.
18:43	asciilifeform	'law' is a distinctly poor description of the mechanism at work here
18:43	asciilifeform	'article 58' of the soviet penal code was also 'law,' used in this exact way.
18:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897952 = 0.1469 BTC [-] {2}
18:43	asciilifeform	('Lettre de cachet' for troublemakers)
18:46	mircea_popescu	dude get out.
18:46	mircea_popescu	first off, the entire state of florida is not cool enough to issue one single such magical device per annum
18:46	mircea_popescu	second off, derpy mc derp, police officer of 88 iq is DEFINITELY not the firestarter there.
18:46	asciilifeform	certainly not.
18:47	asciilifeform	but you set up the muppet theatre 'with the muppets you have, not the muppets you wish you had.'
18:47	mircea_popescu	nah, the entire thing is well... scare the malfeasants for a coupla days, they look dorky, who knows what info they have to share.
18:48	mircea_popescu	the proper way a police is run since about 500bc
18:48	asciilifeform	'operative methods,' yes.
18:48	mircea_popescu	myeah.
18:49	asciilifeform	which is why the 'perfect dpr' owns no computer, neither do his friends, and is, in fact: a dentist. (whose name we will never learn.)
18:51	jurov	everyone, upon stumbling on the malleable tx myself i can explain where is the problem exactly
18:51	mircea_popescu	jurov shoot
18:51	jurov	bitcoind listtransactions normally doesn't show duplicates
18:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22715 @ 0.0008594 = 19.5213 BTC [-]
18:51	jurov	er.. double spends
18:51	jurov	but it does show diddled txs.
18:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you know the perfect man joke ?
18:52	jurov	even after one of them confirms
18:52	mircea_popescu	so ?
18:52	jurov	and even in 0.9.0rc1
18:52	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ?
18:52	jurov	so anyone who accepts zeroconf and uses listtransactions is hosed
18:53	mircea_popescu	doh ?
18:53	jurov	there is no indication its the same tx
18:53	mircea_popescu	how is this news or anything ?
18:53	deadweasel	only to gox
18:53	mircea_popescu	amply documented since before i made mpex cause i knew of it at the time
18:53	mircea_popescu	"i distinctly remember ppl going no what, seriously ?! you misunderstood something"
18:53	KRS1	what was I thinking of..money laundering isn't handled by the state anyway, only the charge could be filed but the prosecution is handled in federal court.
18:54	KRS1	Do you guys remember Robocop moviee from the 1980's?
18:54	mircea_popescu	KRS1 yup. prolly the policemen get paid regardless, just for making up charges or some shit.
18:54	jurov	i didn't knew that, for one. but i am not doing zeroconf anyway
18:54	jurov	various dice sites, tho...
18:54	KRS1	Yeah exctly.
18:54	KRS1	I don't remember this scene from Robocop: http://efukt.com/21126_I_don%27t_remember_this_in_Robocop.html
18:54	deadweasel	part of that was filmed in the George r brown convention center in houston,tx
18:54	KRS1	Penis everywhere.
18:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00085637 = 39.9925 BTC [-] {2}
18:54	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform new men supermarket opens in a town, where women can come and simply buy themselves a boyfriend. first floor : "Here are guys who like beer and watching tv". 2nd floor : sensitive guys who only want to hug and hang out. 3rd floor : all the women, and a huge panel : This floor only exists to show you you can never be satisfied.
18:55	KRS1	haha
18:56	mircea_popescu	jurov if you want i can prolly dig up some diddled txn to my addies
18:56	deadweasel	would make a nice post, no?
18:57	mircea_popescu	incidentally : CORRECTLY DESIGNED BITCOIN SITES, SUCH AS MPEx, that use tx encoding in the payment ARE IMMUNE TO THIS, and many other bugs.
18:57	mircea_popescu	for yet another page in the "what's mpex got anyway".
19:00	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i was thinking of:
19:00	asciilifeform	"If the reader had access to real dossiers on the secret agents of spetsnaz he would be disappointed and probably shocked, because the agents of spetsnaz bear no resemblance to the fine, upstanding, young and handsome heroes of spy films. Soviet military intelligence is looking for an entirely different type of person as a candidate for recruitment. A portrait of an ideal agent for spetsnaz emerges something li
19:00	asciilifeform	ke this: a man of between fifty-five and sixty-five years of age who has never served in the army, never had access to secret documents, does not carry or own a weapon, knows nothing about hand-to-hand fighting, does not possess any secret equipment and doesn't support the Comunists, does not read the newspapers, was never in the Soviet Union and has never met any Soviet citizens, leads a lonely, introspective
19:00	asciilifeform	life, far from other people, and is by profession a forester, fisherman, lighthouse-keeper, security guard or railwayman. In many cases such an agent will be a physical invalid. Spetsnaz is also on the lookout for women with roughly the same characteristics."
19:01	asciilifeform	(from the classic: http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html)
19:01	asciilifeform	(the chapter concerned the recruitment of traitors in the west, rather than 'ninjas')
19:03	mircea_popescu	yeah
19:03	mircea_popescu	it was abandoned tho, because iirc in the 70s someone in the us finally figured this out
19:04	mircea_popescu	did they make a film about it or is it an obscure detail of history ?
19:04	asciilifeform	a couple of runaways spilled the beans, yes
19:04	mircea_popescu	i tell you they figured it out
19:04	asciilifeform	they dug up some boobietraps, made a little noise, that was all.
19:04	mircea_popescu	like, on their own
19:04	asciilifeform	would surprise me greatly if they hadn't
19:05	mircea_popescu	it's the exact equivalent of the caught cia agent joke, you know thatone ?
19:05	asciilifeform	but a runaway lets you 'parallel construct' to your heart's delight.
19:05	asciilifeform	the one with the staples? or the black spy?
19:05	mike_c	re: JD predictability of investor returns. trailing 7 day ROI: http://i.imgur.com/sOotZke.png
19:05	asciilifeform	(the staples that failed to rust, was, afaik, a real incident)
19:06	mircea_popescu	the black spy yeah
19:06	mircea_popescu	mike_c that shit looks exactly like herbi's earlier mpoe stuff
19:06	mircea_popescu	;;last seen herbiomfgwhatwasit
19:06	gribble	(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
19:06	mike_c	no way, mine's much prettier
19:07	mircea_popescu	;;seen herbijudlestoids
19:07	gribble	herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 25 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> k, enjoy your ignorance
19:07	mircea_popescu	dun tell me the guy got butthurt over... NUBBINS!
19:11	asciilifeform	re: agents: i'd be surprised though, it there is entirely no more 'maintain this derelict shipping container and cafe that nobody goes to and you'll get a little cash in the mail every month'
19:13	asciilifeform	likewise, most of the buried treasure probably remains buried.
19:13	asciilifeform	(if only because the fools lost the maps where 'x marks the spot.')
19:14	dub	he got srsly butthurt about knowing more than everyone else on the internet cause he's been there and it wasnt cool
19:14	mircea_popescu	there definitely is some
19:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15993 @ 0.0001899 = 3.0371 BTC [-] {8}
19:15	mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy's_Motel_and_Café
19:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform or because they burried the nut in a dog
19:16	mircea_popescu	(you saw that squirrel gif ?)
19:16	asciilifeform	one day some bored kid will dig through old soviet crap, find a footnote that leads to a working rpg-7 under a mailbox.
19:16	mircea_popescu	or so every bored kid worth his salt dreams :D
19:17	asciilifeform	the original 'geocaching.'
19:17	KRS1	haha asciilifeform
19:17	KRS1	I buried my nut in this girl once..
19:17	KRS1	.bait
19:18	KRS1	;;seen ozbot
19:18	gribble	ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <ozbot> Why Mt. Gox is full of shit - joepie91's Ramblings
19:19	dub	meanwhile.. http://www.click2houston.com/police-cite-man-dressed-as-banana-carrying-ak47/-/1736084/24388136/-/vs4cvuz/-/index.html
19:19	deadweasel	i was born and raised 2 minutes from downtown houston
19:20	deadweasel	mani st houston at 4am, you can see anything
19:20	deadweasel	main*
19:20	deadweasel	used to bike/skate down there, sometimes running from drunken angry men of all colors
19:20	deadweasel	white included
19:20	deadweasel	sometimes just chillin with them
19:20	deadweasel	they so crazy
19:22	KRS1	Texas is awesome with regard to weapons legislation and capital crimes punishment.
19:22	deadweasel	and general gtfo federal goverment
19:23	KRS1	Love that state..plus they have most major telco carrier lines converging in Dallas..makes for an Internet utobpia.
19:23	KRS1	utopia
19:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 638 @ 0.00077699 = 0.4957 BTC [-] {7}
19:23	deadweasel	didn't google go fiber in OK tho
19:23	deadweasel	?
19:23	dub	https://twitter.com/forlornfunnies/status/432978460538318848/photo/1
19:24	deadweasel	story of my life
19:24	deadweasel	only i fuck up for longer first
19:24	KRS1	no..i visited my friend in Dallas and he showed me his hosting location there. His datacenter can switch him from any 1 of like 6 different carrier peering points at any time.
19:24	dub	new altcoin byline candidate there, 'I'm sorry, its so strange to be on the internet'
19:24	deadweasel	fuck yes
19:27	deadweasel	houston is corrupt as all hell
19:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0258 = 0.258 BTC [+]
19:28	KRS1	I was there for about a week..had to set up about 10 VMware hosts, firewall and storage. Went real smooth. I love how the girls talk there, and people seem real nice compared to South Florida.
19:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00085588 = 33.5505 BTC [-] {3}
19:31	deadweasel	Texas will rise again. then fall to Bitcoin.
19:31	deadweasel	then rise again!
19:31	deadweasel	bitches
19:31	asciilifeform	texcoin.
19:32	KRS1	Texas is indeed an interesting state.
19:32	nubbins`	txc
19:32	KRS1	havent heard much of that talk lately about texas becoming a sovergn country..they seem big enough =D
19:32	KRS1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHZJej98_T0
19:33	deadweasel	it used to be. could be again by law.
19:33	KRS1	Makes me think of that ^
19:33	KRS1	Burt Reynolds lives like 20 miles from me
19:33	deadweasel	can you feel his vibe?
19:34	deadweasel	:P
19:34	nubbins`	he finds mustache hairs in his cereal daily, no doubt
19:34	KRS1	he's got a beautiful estate near the ocean
19:34	deadweasel	nubbins`, you chase off herbaljusitoisds?
19:34	nubbins`	i guess so
19:34	bloctoc	KRS1 there was some talk of succession when Obama was trying to get texas to help pay for the national electricity grid.
19:35	nubbins`	he got really upset
19:35	deadweasel	fuck obma
19:35	deadweasel	fuck herbaljsustoid
19:35	deadweasel	s
19:35	nubbins`	because i wasn't fact-checking while chatting
19:35	deadweasel	texas fucking honeybadger state
19:36	bloctoc	frt - Former Republic of Texas
19:37	KRS1	Did you guys see the new version of the Trans Am
19:37	KRS1	http://pricinginsider.carsdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/hurst-edition-trans-am-camaro-overview.jpg
19:37	bloctoc	succession -> secession
19:37	mircea_popescu	lol the us w/o texas would be in a very interesting position
19:38	mircea_popescu	pretty much all the oil importing infrastructure is down there
19:38	KRS1	Indeed mircea
19:38	asciilifeform	afaik, TX is being recolonized by mexico on schedule, just like CA
19:38	mircea_popescu	i hear it gets pretty cold up north without texas...
19:38	nubbins`	heh
19:38	deadweasel	i for one, embrace my hardworking brown friends
19:38	mircea_popescu	deadweasel no homo ?
19:38	KRS1	haha
19:39	deadweasel	usually
19:39	KRS1	deadweasel: Mexicans work at my house regularly, they are very hard working respectible and honest people. I admire them and they make great food.
19:40	deadweasel	^
19:40	deadweasel	the best food
19:40	nubbins`	all of them?
19:40	deadweasel	yes
19:40	deadweasel	because natural screening is the desert that lies between
19:40	deadweasel	only the smart dedicated ones get through
19:41	deadweasel	which in part is due to out ultra nationalist xenophonic border property owners which are a small in number.
19:41	nubbins`	the usa is a very different country than canada
19:42	Duffer1	america. canada's mexico
19:42	BingoBoingo	Looks like the Altcoin order book on the kinds shady exchange is starting to fill in https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111
19:42	nubbins`	Duffer1 XD
19:43	Duffer1	i do miss texas though, i grew up in austin
19:44	nubbins`	never been
19:44	deadweasel	go to austin
19:44	deadweasel	it's yoru kinda town
19:44	deadweasel	your*
19:44	bloctoc	I spent the year before last in San Antonio. I felt like the only white guy around for miles.
19:45	deadweasel	it's been 'colonied'
19:45	deadweasel	austn is better
19:45	deadweasel	colonized*
19:45	deadweasel	fuck this keyboard
19:45	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo who runs that thing ?
19:45	bloctoc	how about repopulated since it was decimated by smallpox way back when...
19:45	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That's r3wt's deal. The questionable dude brought up yesterday.
19:46	mircea_popescu	a
19:46	asciilifeform	still waiting to see an 'mpexian' exchange with no www site, operated entirely by coded TX amounts.
19:46	mircea_popescu	bloctoc san antonio is like my favourite us town
19:46	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform afaik it's being worked on.
19:47	bloctoc	it might be my favorite Texas town, but I moved to San Francisco for a reason
19:47	bloctoc	reason being it's way better than Texas
19:47	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: seems like a trivial problem, ought to have been done 'last year.'
19:47	Duffer1	man, i grew up on The ALAMO!@3 texas history books, and when i finally see it i can't help but think "that's it?"
19:47	mircea_popescu	yea well.
19:48	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 did kinda look like you could piss over it
19:52	bloctoc	Someone should sneak up to the roof of the Alamo and take a selfie for selfie olympics
19:54	mircea_popescu	https://i.imgur.com/LDeN7dH.jpg
19:55	bloctoc	is that you?
19:55	mircea_popescu	no, some chick in there
19:55	mircea_popescu	https://imgur.com/a/deovZ?gallery
19:55	ozbot	The Selfie Olympics - Imgur
19:56	Duffer1	i played davy crockett in the school play hehe
19:56	Duffer1	i think the set was bigger than the real thing
19:56	mircea_popescu	https://i.imgur.com/qfGBdNw.jpg
19:56	mircea_popescu	REAL BITCOIN JESUS
19:57	mircea_popescu	https://i.imgur.com/oQ23QNY.jpg << ok, her. seize her and bring her to me.
19:58	Duffer1	that's impressive
19:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57987947 = 1.1598 BTC [-] {2}
19:59	nubbins`	https://i.imgur.com/qfGBdNw.jpg
19:59	nubbins`	ahh, too slo
19:59	nubbins`	w
19:59	nubbins`	lel
20:00	mircea_popescu	lalala
20:02	nubbins`	OH
20:02	nubbins`	check it:
20:02	nubbins`	;;ticker
20:02	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 685.57, Best ask: 688.99, Bid-ask spread: 3.42000, Last trade: 689.0, 24 hour volume: 72468.55509753, 24 hour low: 530.0, 24 hour high: 713.0, 24 hour vwap: 639.580822098
20:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1212 BTC [-]
20:05	dub	had an ex that could do standing splits, cheerleader etc
20:05	dub	knew not what to do with cock however
20:06	Duffer1	stand on your head too, duh
20:09	mircea_popescu	dub can learn.
20:12	dub	she knew not what to do ffs
20:12	dub	I know all about such things
20:13	dub	insert, remove, sleep.
20:13	mircea_popescu	lol.
20:13	dub	dont try to tell me otherwise internet peon or I'll ragepart
20:13	mircea_popescu	ok ignore your injoyance.
20:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00085961 = 26.7339 BTC [+] {3}
20:14	nubbins`	you'll pull a herb
20:14	dub	rageherb?
20:14	dub	herbrage
20:15	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5063595#msg5063595
20:15	ozbot	[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus
20:15	mircea_popescu	no witty retort makes me all sad inside.
20:27	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The praise for you saving OpenBSD keeps coming, from yesterday http://www.linuxac.org/forum/threads/66918-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%85%D8%A9-OpenBSD-%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%81-%D8%AA%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%81%D9%82-%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%84-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A8-%D8%AA%D9%88%D9%82%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%85-%D9%84%D9%87%D8%A7?s=5a1d49a81cab27f2e6c5d567a9058475&p=521670&viewfull=1#post521670
20:33	pankkake	long url is long
20:36	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Well, it encodes arabic script, so... yeah
20:37	dub	ah derka derka derka
20:38	BingoBoingo	dub: Well, they expressed in the thread earlier a bit of suprised Darpa would have in the past supported OpenBSD
20:40	pankkake	must be terrorists. bitcoin, openbsd, arabic, the evidence is overwhelming
20:41	BingoBoingo	pankkake: or freedomfighers, security aware goatherders, or simply people looking into making a living in the IT industry
20:42	pankkake	is there a difference?
20:43	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Not necessarily, but there also isn't a necessary association either
20:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02510127 = 0.2008 BTC [-] {2}
20:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90400 @ 0.00085357 = 77.1627 BTC [-] {4}
20:49	mircea_popescu	that's a long url of praise
20:51	Duffer1	LTC on Gox?
20:51	Duffer1	:3
20:51	pankkake	lol
20:52	pankkake	Trade with confidence on the world's largest Bitcoin exchange!
20:52	mircea_popescu	the world's largest everything is everywhere!
20:53	copumpkin	that's a big MPOE sale there
20:54	copumpkin	MPOE has a remarkably deep book
20:54	pankkake	what I don't understand is why the other things don't have that volume
20:54	pankkake	well at least Bitbet. it's operating.
20:57	pankkake	latest Almost Human didn't mention Bitcoin. must be why the price is falling
20:59	ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PosrMU91j0
20:59	ozbot	Charlie Shrem, Bitcoin entrepreneur, interviewed by Jeffrey Tucker - YouTube
21:00	ThickAsThieves	this guy wants give shrem a bj
21:00	Duffer1	JT is a great interviewee
21:01	ThickAsThieves	oh man this guy is so horny for him
21:01	Duffer1	hehe
21:01	BingoBoingo	I wonder if Charlie Shrem can ride roller coasters
21:02	ThickAsThieves	what a horrible video
21:02	BingoBoingo	On account of that matter of his height or lack thereof
21:03	Duffer1	do they talk about the money laundering charge?
21:03	ThickAsThieves	i couldnt take anymore
21:03	ThickAsThieves	good luck
21:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00568699 = 0.1137 BTC [+]
21:07	dexX7	https://blockchain.info/charts/n-orphaned-blocks?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= kinda large spike in orphaned blocks recently?
21:07	KRS1	lmao ThickAsThieves -> this guy wants give shrem a bj
21:08	KRS1	I'll bet its on the unreleased videos
21:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0055 = 0.3245 BTC
21:20	mircea_popescu	dexX7 happens
21:21	mike_c	pankkake: it's because s.mpoe is so huge. s.bbet actually has a higher share turnover over the last 6 months than s.mpoe.
21:21	mircea_popescu	interesting
21:21	pankkake	oh
21:21	mircea_popescu	$vwap s.mpoe
21:21	mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00085721 high: 0.00086297 low: 0.00084891 volume: 1624150 btc: 1392.23827571 7 day: average: 0.00087835 high: 0.00093912 low: 0.00082189 volume: 7039964 btc: 6183.54502157 30 day: average: 0.0009022 high: 0.00101414 low: 0.00082189 volume: 26985544 btc: 24346.2590462
21:21	mircea_popescu	$vwap s.bbet
21:21	mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.000621 high: 0.00062299 low: 0.00062099 volume: 9360 btc: 5.8125299 30 day: average: 0.00069705 high: 0.0009 low: 0.0006 volume: 16002 btc: 11.1542499
21:21	mircea_popescu	;;calc 24346.2590462 / 1000000000 / 0.0009022
21:21	gribble	0.0269854345447
21:22	mircea_popescu	;;calc 11.1542499 / 10000000 / 0.00069705
21:22	gribble	0.00160020800516
21:23	mircea_popescu	not quite
21:23	mircea_popescu	course you did say six months
21:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00085596 = 19.6443 BTC [+]
21:26	jborkl_	Mtgox finished recapitalization today, good for another 6 months
21:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02510001 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
21:26	mircea_popescu	lol
21:26	jborkl_	Have to find a new one next time
21:26	jborkl_	Uggh what should we use this time guys
21:27	jborkl_	Heh you know its true, that is the sad part
21:28	mike_c	to redeem myself, since july 1:
21:28	mike_c	;;calc 80819516 / 1000000000
21:28	gribble	0.080819516
21:28	mike_c	;;calc 1452230 / 10000000
21:28	gribble	0.145223
21:28	mircea_popescu	aha
21:29	mircea_popescu	s.dice was also outtrading s.mpoe for a while there
21:29	mircea_popescu	but i guess overall yeah, just damned hard to beat.
21:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57993266 = 1.7398 BTC [+] {3}
21:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00568789 = 0.1706 BTC [+] {3}
21:35	mike_c	wow.. so, also since july 1 those trades meant 70,000 btc in volume on mpoe! and 203 btc on s.bbet.
21:36	mike_c	so, that's why moar volume on mpoe :)
21:36	mircea_popescu	actually...
21:36	mike_c	well, cause/effect, whatever
21:37	mircea_popescu	tell you what, ~8% of the mkt cap trading over ~7 months is just about exactly right.
21:37	mircea_popescu	best scam in history, every way you look at it it's legit
21:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [+]
21:38	mircea_popescu	so basically two good dividend months in a row for bbet killed the volume.
21:38	mike_c	nobody wants to sell
21:39	mircea_popescu	i guess the fundamental negotiation has tyre kickers and car collectors, and they have trouble finding common ground
21:39	mircea_popescu	team A being "i don't care how good these internet funbux corps look" and team B going "unless i need money to buy rope i'm not selling my btc securities"
21:40	mircea_popescu	in the end... this being exactly how greatness is built. by the time they do find that common ground... look out.
21:40	mike_c	turn on the hft. more volume instantly.
21:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 333 @ 0.0055 = 1.8315 BTC
21:40	mircea_popescu	all the bitching about how difficult itis or it isn't to acquire btc is irrelevant. that's not where the hot core of btc is happening. this is.
21:46	mircea_popescu	mike_c no rush, volume can come later. let people figure shit out first.
21:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
21:46	mike_c	oh yeah, i was kidding. more volume will come with increasing revenue i believe.
21:48	mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.31 / 700
21:48	gribble	0.000442857142857
21:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.59607178 = 19.0743 BTC [+] {9}
21:48	mircea_popescu	chec it out, 4428 satoshi per share
21:49	mircea_popescu	;;calc 63.55 / 700
21:49	gribble	0.0907857142857
21:50	mircea_popescu	so basically facebook trades at 100x s.mpoe on 4x the revenue per share.
21:50	mircea_popescu	i would say it is definitely not the revenue.
21:51	mike_c	well, s.mg trades at a higher revenue multiple than s.mpoe too. but i still think revenue will help :)
21:51	mircea_popescu	i doubt it. what will help is the passive effect of people hearing about s.mpoe and forgetting about facebook
21:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 182 @ 0.0055 = 1.001 BTC
21:51	mircea_popescu	because see, facebook existed back in the day when myspace was trading for 700mn
21:52	mircea_popescu	but a "social network" with nothing at all can not begin to stand up to the central bank of bitcoin. it's a contest between a bulldog and a cockroach.
21:53	asciilifeform	misread as 'contest between a bulldog and a couch'
21:53	mircea_popescu	haha
21:54	Duffer1	thickasthieves how's that cryptocurrency social network you signed up for?
21:54	mircea_popescu	http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e0/b9/48/e0b948034c3a7d16bb93a4854006902a.jpg
21:56	mircea_popescu	o wait. haha. i was comparing facebook revenue with mpex net income attributed.
21:56	mircea_popescu	strike that.
21:56	mircea_popescu	facebook is trading 100x s.mpoe on 80% the revenue.
21:58	ThickAsThieves	<Duffer1> thickasthieves how's that cryptocurrency social network you signed up for? <<<< they never activated my account
21:58	mircea_popescu	let's see what other lulzy comparisons we can find. is twitter even listed ?
21:58	mircea_popescu	"Twitter Shares Plummet 23% On Market Opening"
21:58	mircea_popescu	derp.
21:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1725 @ 0.00299358 = 5.1639 BTC [+] {13}
21:59	mircea_popescu	o look at that! -509.68-63.33-38.92-23.91-8.78
22:00	mircea_popescu	twitter lost 1 dollar per share in the LAST QUARTER
22:00	mircea_popescu	still trading at 50 per share.
22:00	KRS1	wow not many rly expected that
22:00	mircea_popescu	i wonder how well would a bitcoin company do that made a 2% loss
22:00	nubbins`	so cbc's olympic webcasts have all the pre-broadcast chatter that gets cut for tv
22:01	nubbins`	one commentator is talking about how the battery in his samsung phone dies really quick
22:01	mircea_popescu	ah this has been such a delicious excursion into fiat
22:01	nubbins`	they're now trying to figure out how to connect to the wifi
22:01	nubbins`	ah
22:01	nubbins`	the password is "media"
22:02	asciilifeform	nubbins`: does anyone still sell those toys that light up when illuminated by GSM nearby?
22:02	mircea_popescu	"o look at that, the network is not working anymore"
22:02	nubbins`	"in about 70 seconds, we are voicing to the web" lel
22:02	nubbins`	hmm, not sure
22:02	nubbins`	i think so!
22:03	asciilifeform	would make a good gift for mr. deadbattery
22:03	nubbins`	haha now one of them is coughing over the intro
22:05	asciilifeform	example:
22:05	asciilifeform	http://rookieelectronics.com/sensor-rf-radiation-detector/
22:06	mircea_popescu	meanwhile google is trading at 1170 with ttm per share at about 38
22:06	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1170 / 700
22:06	gribble	1.67142857143
22:06	mircea_popescu	;;calc 38 / 700
22:06	gribble	0.0542857142857
22:06	ThickAsThieves	tsla almost hit 200 today
22:06	mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.0542857142857/1.67142857143
22:06	gribble	0.0324786324786
22:07	mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.0001010 / 0.0009022
22:07	gribble	0.111948570162
22:07	mircea_popescu	what is this ?! s.mpoe has 3x the per-share revenue of google ?!
22:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00075 = 1.125 BTC [-] {2}
22:07	asciilifeform	more elegant:
22:07	asciilifeform	http://www.creative-science.org.uk/mobile_LED.html
22:08	asciilifeform	(no pcb needed!)
22:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.00075 = 1.5 BTC [-]
22:08	nubbins`	haha, i like that
22:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1609 @ 0.0007505 = 1.2076 BTC [+] {3}
22:12	ozbot	RF Radiation Detector | Rookie Electronics
22:12	ozbot	The Creative Science Centre - by Dr Jonathan P. Hare
22:14	mircea_popescu	lol ozzie coming from behind
22:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.00083527 = 0.1086 BTC [+] {2}
22:21	asciilifeform	if bugged cell phones were presided over by Meta-NSA instead of classic nsa, the buggers would store compressed audio and piss it out in bursts when plugged into the mains
22:21	asciilifeform	rather than the 'me battery died in 1/2 hr.' idiocy.
22:22	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if bugged landlines were presided over by the meta-kgb rather than the classic kgb you couldn't audibly detect the listener switching on.
22:22	asciilifeform	click-hiss
22:24	asciilifeform	sometimes click-hiss is the objective though.
22:24	mircea_popescu	$vwap s.mg
22:24	mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00010006 high: 0.000125 low: 0.00010001 volume: 2902 btc: 0.290369 30 day: average: 0.000103 high: 0.000138 low: 0.00010001 volume: 35998 btc: 3.70795246
22:24	mircea_popescu	mike_c s.mg is practically trading at book.
22:25	asciilifeform	intimidation-by-botched-surveillance (or rumour thereof)
22:25	asciilifeform	works great
22:25	mike_c	too long withouta build.
22:26	asciilifeform	witness all the 'me toaster is bugged!!1!' saps on schneier's blog
22:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform those saps'd intimidate themselves with a coca cola cap.
22:27	mircea_popescu	mike_c prolly.
22:28	mircea_popescu	tbh maybe it's time to try a twitter. announce surprise half billion losses, see what happens
22:28	mike_c	hehe
22:28	Mats_cd03	i accidentally bought some s.mpoe at coinbr at 15% above the going rate
22:28	Mats_cd03	sad face
22:28	mike_c	? how did you manage that? or you mean it dipped?
22:29	Mats_cd03	i adjusted the price while i was high
22:29	Mats_cd03	rather than the number of shares
22:29	Mats_cd03	to account for an amount to pay for fees i wanted to leave a certain amount in my balance
22:30	Mats_cd03	...im still high
22:31	mike_c	i think you are. even if you overbid it would fill at the lowest ask.
22:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
22:32	Mats_cd03	i didn't know it did that
22:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 470 @ 0.00489268 = 2.2996 BTC [+] {6}
22:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00587999 = 2.352 BTC [+] {17}
22:37	Mats_cd03	the chart seems pretty clear
22:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.19376446 = 1.7439 BTC [+]
22:45	mircea_popescu	<Mats_cd03> i didn't know it did that < you have got to be kidding me.
22:45	Mats_cd03	well im pretty sure thats not true
22:46	mircea_popescu	so how much you paid per share ?
22:46	Mats_cd03	0.00093457
22:46	mircea_popescu	when was this ?
22:46	Mats_cd03	02/06/2014 01:28AM
22:47	mircea_popescu	i think it was actualy trading 90s on the 6th
22:47	Mats_cd03	ok
22:47	mircea_popescu	http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE < yeah set it to 1 month
22:48	ozbot	CoinBr Live S.MPOE
22:48	mircea_popescu	it dropped at like 9 am
22:49	Mats_cd03	oh bummer
22:49	mircea_popescu	you got the gift.
22:49	Mats_cd03	whats the gift
22:50	mircea_popescu	when you take a position in a trending stock only for the trend to immediately and abruptly reverse.
22:50	Mats_cd03	oh im ok with that
22:50	KRS1	just do the opposite =D
22:51	Mats_cd03	im about to buy some more
22:51	mircea_popescu	it's basically being the bane of hipsters.
22:51	Mats_cd03	is it cause youre abrasive?
22:51	mircea_popescu	hm ?
22:52	Mats_cd03	oh i must have misunderstood you
22:52	mircea_popescu	you're being the bane of hipsters. cause you got the gift of trendbreaking
22:52	Mats_cd03	o
22:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1239 = 0.3717 BTC [+]
22:52	mircea_popescu	hipsters are trend followers see.
22:52	Mats_cd03	that was too much for me
22:53	mircea_popescu	also, if anyone is looking for homework, http://trilema.com/2014/no-its-not-the-revenue/
22:53	KRS1	kickass bikini bridge: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/7/16/enhanced-buzz-26854-1389129172-12.jpg
22:53	mike_c	hehe. expect comment soon
22:53	KRS1	check out that mound
22:54	mircea_popescu	lmao 4chan had an advertising campaign
22:54	mircea_popescu	that bitch's hawt.
22:55	KRS1	yeah they wanted to spin bridges into a big thing by doubling down on both sides of the pros/cons
22:55	KRS1	lmao
22:56	mircea_popescu	http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-to-suspend-pension-retirement-funding-lew-2014-02-10-1591162?link=MW_latest_news
22:56	ozbot	U.S. to suspend pension, retirement funding: Lew - MarketWatch
22:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00489996 = 0.49 BTC [+]
22:56	mircea_popescu	whoa baby. no more pensions/retirement benefits for you us people, is it ?
22:56	KRS1	the fuck?
22:56	KRS1	no..can't..
22:57	KRS1	they've paid into it
22:57	mircea_popescu	derp.
22:57	mircea_popescu	full faith and credit bitch. suck it.
22:57	KRS1	ITS HAPPEN.. wtf evar
22:57	mircea_popescu	next time pay it into bitcoin.
22:58	KRS1	I'm thinking about fleeing to maybe new zealand..idk.. can't seem to settle on some part of the world that isn't or won't be fucked up in some way.
22:58	mircea_popescu	the serenissima welcomes you wherever you go.
22:59	KRS1	i'm pretty resourceful..worse comes to worse I can live off the land somewhere remote..or even better dump all my savings into a sizable yacht and live life as a mariner.
22:59	mircea_popescu	so the us is restructuring its foreign debt after all huh
23:00	asciilifeform	dreamed a while ago that looking out the window, no traffic. asked some bum, 'why', he answers 'dontcha know, it's The Holiday, finally happened'
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23:00	KRS1	some major financial moves started weeks ago
23:00	mircea_popescu	KRS1 yeah but the thing with large moves is that nobody believes it
23:01	mircea_popescu	like say the california quake
23:01	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that sounds like it could be on a beatles song
23:02	asciilifeform	methinks 'the holiday' is as good a name as any for that event.
23:02	mircea_popescu	Social Security being shut down for 62 hours starting 2/15/14
23:02	mircea_popescu	o look, the chinese "computer upgrades" have made their way into the us
23:02	asciilifeform	and like the earthquake, most folks only 'believe' the dead lights, backed up toilets, disappeared heat
23:03	asciilifeform	seismograph? pfft.
23:03	mircea_popescu	graphs lie
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23:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14347 @ 0.00085261 = 12.2324 BTC [-] {2}
23:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 203 @ 0.0055 = 1.1165 BTC

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