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00:02	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/9VClTYt.gif this actually looks a lot like mpoe-pr baiting threads.
00:05	Namworld	What?
00:06	herbijudlestoids	easily the best bitcoin website ever: http://bitcoin-free-adclickandtasks-sites.nl
00:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00093552 = 12.5827 BTC [+] {2}
00:10	chipug	it doesnt even fit on the page properly!
00:10	Namworld	The url tells me otherwise
00:10	chipug	lol hi Namworld
00:10	herbijudlestoids	Namworld, didn't you see it says *free*
00:10	chipug	mircea_popescu: wtf was that balloon guy thinking?!
00:11	Namworld	Yes I see it.
00:11	mircea_popescu	that dicking around with my pr is fun
00:12	mircea_popescu	the name of at least one nurse in the burns section ?
00:12	chipug	lol!
00:12	dudesir	mircea is the 30 BTC fee going to change eventually?
00:12	mircea_popescu	yeah.
00:12	mircea_popescu	it was 20 up until glbse croaked.
00:12	mircea_popescu	it'll go to 50 eventually.
00:13	dudesir	lol I was assuming downwards, I suppose MPEX is only for those who are already rich...
00:13	Namworld	The rules are like this, dudesir: fee will only increase or stay the same.
00:14	dudesir	haha why?
00:14	Namworld	Why not?
00:14	dudesir	more users?
00:14	chipug	everything increases with time, even waistlines
00:14	herbijudlestoids	dudesir: its an exchange, do you have an account with the CME or NYSE? you have an account with your broker, who has a seat (or equiv) at the exchange
00:14	Namworld	MPEx doesn't need more members and doesn't offer much support.
00:14	Namworld	It's designed to work like any stock exchange.
00:14	Namworld	Not for everyone to sign up on.
00:15	Namworld	Only large brokers and large institutions.
00:15	Namworld	People with lower investments can use a broker like CoinBR to trade MPEx
00:15	dudesir	Does it cost 30000$ to get an acct at nyse?
00:15	Namworld	Much more than that.
00:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5698999 BTC [+]
00:15	dignork	dudesir, actually more
00:16	herbijudlestoids	$30,000 per MONTH i am pretty sure
00:16	chipug	i could live off that for life!
00:16	dudesir	Ok, I think I understand, NYSE is like an underlying exchange and brokers are on top of it?
00:16	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids was about 1.5mn per year iirc.
00:16	herbijudlestoids	and not just that but its not like you can just buy a seat at the NYSE, someone has to die or want to sell their seat
00:17	Namworld	http://www.nyse.com/press/1135856420824.html
00:17	ozbot	NYSE, New York Stock Exchange > About Us > News & Events > News Releases > Press Release 12-30-2005
00:17	Namworld	I found this, looks like about 4 million in 2005
00:17	herbijudlestoids	http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/04/031204.asp
00:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00093454 = 9.3921 BTC [-] {2}
00:18	herbijudlestoids	"However, to own a seat, a trader or broker must meet more criteria than simply being able to afford it. Prospective owners of the seats must go through a stringent review process and, once accepted, they are required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics as the NYSE and governmental regulators constantly review members. "
00:18	herbijudlestoids	:)
00:18	mircea_popescu	well mpex users are also required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics.
00:18	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: do u need someone ethical like me to do due diligence on all your members? :P
00:18	mircea_popescu	lol
00:19	herbijudlestoids	uhoh its vexual
00:19	mircea_popescu	it's a self-performing operation. one of these days ima wake up to a report of "and then X tried to break Y" and just go "so revoke X"
00:19	dudesir	So does being a member enable you to vote on what stocks get allowed? I think I have much research to do on how the NYSE operates...
00:19	herbijudlestoids	uhoh i think my analogy has gone too far
00:20	Namworld	Nope
00:21	mircea_popescu	come to think of it, if the average person knew a whole lot of how the real world functions they'd be pretty scandalised.
00:21	mircea_popescu	"what do you mean it's 5mn and a bunch of crap and al lyou get for it is the opportunity to eat the crap ?!?!!"
00:21	mircea_popescu	"i want fries with that!11"
00:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
00:22	herbijudlestoids	the price is only there as a barrier to entry, not as a meaningful representation of how much it costs to maintain the seat
00:22	herbijudlestoids	(on NYSE i mean)
00:24	mircea_popescu	generally.
00:24	herbijudlestoids	you get a pretty good deal for 5 mio IMHO
00:24	herbijudlestoids	naked short almost anything even unborrowed
00:24	herbijudlestoids	cancel trades
00:25	Vexual	im in a loop thinking of numbers i don't understand, but there are external govt regulators vitoing bullshit on wall street no?
00:25	mircea_popescu	sort-of.
00:25	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you'
00:26	mircea_popescu	re confusing seats with specialists.
00:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.118 = 0.944 BTC [+]
00:26	nubbins`	asciilifeform, great story
00:26	mircea_popescu	not all the people in the pit are specialists.
00:27	ThickAsThieves	vitoing, is that how italians vote?
00:27	herbijudlestoids	you cant really be a specialist without having a seat or working for a bank/insto that does
00:27	herbijudlestoids	not that there are many specialists left
00:28	herbijudlestoids	lol wut pit?
00:28	ThickAsThieves	this is a pit
00:28	herbijudlestoids	how many left and how much trading on them vs electronic outcry markets
00:28	nubbins`	your mother's pussy is a pit
00:28	nubbins`	sorry, habit
00:29	Vexual	zing
00:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02988998 = 0.1494 BTC [-] {3}
00:36	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg4945469#msg4945469
00:37	ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
00:37	ThickAsThieves	NEOBEE IPVO End Date Announcement
00:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5699 = 1.1398 BTC [+]
00:37	Vexual	do you know what will happen to unsold shares?
00:38	ThickAsThieves	did you read the post?
00:38	Vexual	ye
00:39	ThickAsThieves	details forthcoming
00:39	Vexual	did you read my question?
00:39	Vexual	you're allowed to say no
00:40	ThickAsThieves	i'm allowed to direct you to the post actually
00:40	Vexual	thought so
00:40	Vexual	:)
00:41	Vexual	always professional tat
00:41	ThickAsThieves	hardly\
00:41	ThickAsThieves	but sometimes i can behave
00:43	ThickAsThieves	you could always say what you WANT to happen to the shares, like every other forum investor is about ti
00:43	ThickAsThieves	to*
00:43	ThickAsThieves	say = post
00:43	ThickAsThieves	time for bed
00:44	Vexual	can you say what you would want to happen with them?
00:44	ThickAsThieves	i cannot
00:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5699 BTC [+]
00:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04500001 = 0.675 BTC [-] {2}
00:56	herbijudlestoids	its cold
00:58	Vexual	where are you? Teheran?
00:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
01:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000531 BTC [-]
01:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.04020196 = 0.402 BTC [-] {4}
01:17	DrSteveBrule	hello. I grabbed a lifeboat and we have not even hit the iceberg yet. Anyone else in the lifeboat with me? I have a 10 bag and a bluetooth speaker playing a bob marley mix
01:18	DrSteveBrule	ooh, and a magazine of Bears monthly. Warm fuzzy bears in my lifeboat.
01:18	benkay	dafuq?
01:19	DrSteveBrule	in other words I'm shorting all the coins
01:19	benkay	how'd you construct that position?
01:20	benkay	i see.
01:20	Vexual	sounds bent
01:24	DrSteveBrule	My apologies, I don't want to sound like one of those crazy people who just wants to come in a speak bullshit. My reasons for my current short position are 1) Elliot wave principle 2) I don't think the Chinese gov likes bitcoin 3) 4 million dollars worth of option puts bought on http://mpex.co/
01:24	DrSteveBrule	I just came here to see if anyone felt the same?
01:25	DrSteveBrule	by the way, the option puts expire this month, and the strike price was set for between $400 - $500
01:26	DrSteveBrule	that was new news to me today, so correct me if I'm wrong. But thats quite the gamble
01:27	flins	but isn't the lot size 0.1btc?
01:30	DrSteveBrule	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449354.0
01:30	ozbot	MASSIVE options order on apex.co
01:30	DrSteveBrule	flins, i believe you are looking at the price of the option contract
01:31	DrSteveBrule	of (1) option contract
01:32	DrSteveBrule	for that specific type of contract (with end of feb expiration and strike around $400-$500) but that website is hard to understand, so I may be wrong. Coming in here to see if other see the same
01:32	benkay	;;calc 487.9146/1000
01:32	gribble	0.4879146
01:32	benkay	the perspective you're missing is how much that person paid for those puts.
01:33	DrSteveBrule	what do you mean?
01:33	benkay	the breakeven on the position is a function of both the strike price and price paid.
01:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
01:34	benkay	;;google delusions options
01:34	gribble	Delusional Disorder Guide: Causes, Symptoms and Treatment Options: <http://www.drugs.com/health-guide/delusional-disorder.html>; A Review of Delusions of Parasitosis, Part 2: Treatment Options: <http://www.pediatricnews.com/fileadmin/qhi_archive/ArticlePDF/CT/082040257.pdf>; A review of delusions of parasitosis, part 2: treatment options.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19055169>
01:35	DrSteveBrule	for example, i see 1000 @ 0.487 = 487 BTC with a stike at 500 / doesn't that mean they bought 1000 contracts at 0.487BTC?
01:35	benkay	;;google serialized delusions options mpex
01:35	gribble	MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...: <http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/07/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-5-(Account-statements-and-transfers)>; MPEx: The Missing Manual 1 - History and Registration - serialized ...: <http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/13/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual>; serialized delusions: <http://explo.yt/>
01:35	benkay	http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-6-Options
01:35	ozbot	MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions
01:36	benkay	;;calc 500/(1-0.4879)
01:36	gribble	976.371802382
01:36	benkay	eh
01:36	benkay	building a finite state machine. can't be arsed with option pricing.
01:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
01:38	benkay	discussion starts here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479849
01:38	benkay	DrSteveBrule:
01:39	DrSteveBrule	thanks benkay
01:40	DrSteveBrule	options are so easy to understand
01:40	DrSteveBrule	not
01:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
01:41	benkay	it's the world, really. most people just insulate themselves from it until that awful day it rears up in all of its raging complexity and they're forced to deal.
		~ 16 minutes ~
01:57	DrSteveBrule	yea, that should be taught in schools and in church. I believe there is a quote in the bible about options...
02:00	Apocalyptic	.d
02:00	ozbot	2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 0 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.4628% in -1d 23h 39m 51s
02:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC
02:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00093403 = 23.631 BTC [-]
02:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+]
02:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1977 @ 0.00012524 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {4}
02:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15499999 BTC [+]
02:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.155 = 0.31 BTC [+]
		~ 15 minutes ~
02:50	Mats_cd03	So if I'm to understand, shareholders of mpex are about to get a bigger than expected dividend
02:55	benkay	"about"? has january's not gone out yet?
02:58	benkay	;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/litecoin-project/litecoin/blob/master-0.8/src/main.cpp#L3059, https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/blob/master-1.5/src/main.cpp#L3141
02:58	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:01	chipug	benkay: does gribble save the link for when mircea next logs in?
03:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20113 @ 0.00093713 = 18.8485 BTC [+]
03:03	Mats_cd03	how do you go about getting an invite to CoinBr
03:03	dub	https://coinbr.com/ref?c=A3R7Tstq16
03:03	ozbot	About CoinBr
03:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [+]
03:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11985714 = 0.839 BTC [+] {2}
03:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
03:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00584 = 0.3854 BTC [+]
03:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
03:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.15499999 = 0.62 BTC [-]
03:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC {2}
03:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.569898 BTC [+]
03:40	kakobrekla	mornin
03:45	Mats_cd03	so what do i do on coinbr to invest in mp
03:46	kakobrekla	hi there
03:46	Mats_cd03	hi dere
03:46	kakobrekla	do you see the big green button in the control panel? should say "INVEST IN MP"
03:47	kakobrekla	ahh yes it doesnt, because this is not a toy computer!
03:48	kakobrekla	no but really, the "how do i invest in mp" is not a valid question
03:48	kakobrekla	you need to be more specific
03:49	kakobrekla	you want mpbor? you want mpoe shares? maybe trilema credits?
03:51	Mats_cd03	mpoe shares
03:52	kakobrekla	well you buy those then
04:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12211249 = 0.9769 BTC [+] {5}
04:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
04:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
04:12	kakobrekla	blockr.io now shows bitcoin days destroyed for each tx which is kinda cute
04:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.002999 = 0.2819 BTC [+]
04:16	herbijudlestoids	http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/war-anonymous-british-spies-attacked-hackers-snowden-docs-show-n21361
04:16	herbijudlestoids	"The documents also show that JTRIG infiltrated chat rooms known as IRCs and identified individual hackers who had taken confidential information from websites."
04:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12417 @ 0.00093818 = 11.6494 BTC [+] {2}
04:16	herbijudlestoids	"IRCs"
04:18	Mats_cd03	'infiltrated'
04:21	herbijudlestoids	amateurs hacking amateurs
04:23	kakobrekla	i fink herbijudlestoids is nsa
04:23	kakobrekla	came out of nowhere, pasting charts n shit
04:23	kakobrekla	very suspect.
04:24	herbijudlestoids	its yall fault for supporting openbsd
04:24	herbijudlestoids	cos i wouldnve never heard about this joint otherwise
04:25	herbijudlestoids	but no, not NSA, doubt i would pass a background check :P
04:25	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: im iranian :P
04:25	kakobrekla	that is excatly what they would do to make us think we are safe
04:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00093882 = 4.9757 BTC [+] {2}
04:27	herbijudlestoids	if you like, from now on i can upload the pictures to freenet and you can fetch them from there
04:27	herbijudlestoids	hows that!
04:27	kakobrekla	"wait wait, so his middle name is really 'osama'?" "yes garry, how convinient eh" "indeed, lets make him the director!"
04:27	herbijudlestoids	LOL
04:28	herbijudlestoids	fucker, osama is a semitic name, im iranian! we arent arabs!
04:28	kakobrekla	whatever, people think im from somalia.
04:31	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: earlier when you were mentioning homomorphic turds, i thought of this but couldnt remember the name: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/523746/honey-encryption-will-bamboozle-attackers-with-fake-secrets/
04:31	herbijudlestoids	is that in the same vein?
04:31	kakobrekla	herbijudlestoids are you also operating on fx market?
04:33	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: yep i have access to the two largest interbank ECN :)
04:33	kakobrekla	you might be interested in bit4x then
04:34	herbijudlestoids	1 pip spread lol
04:34	kakobrekla	myea thats on the newb accounts
04:34	herbijudlestoids	this is an STP, not ECN
04:34	kakobrekla	without comission n shit
04:34	kakobrekla	o its ecn to currenex
04:35	kakobrekla	or a passthrough or whatever you wanna call it
04:35	herbijudlestoids	Straight Through Processing...thats what Currenex is. a big matching pool for retail to get fleeced
04:36	kakobrekla	right
04:36	herbijudlestoids	to give you an idea, my current broker offers a spread of 0.2 pips on EURUSD during Frankfurt/London/NY sessions
04:36	herbijudlestoids	i pay 7USD per 100,000USD lot
04:36	lippoper	!last ozbot
04:36	assbot	You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
04:36	Apocalyptic	who's your broker herbijudlestoids ?
04:36	kakobrekla	herbijudlestoids you get about 0.5 pip on pro acc here
04:36	lippoper	;;last ozbot
04:36	gribble	(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
04:37	herbijudlestoids	Apocalyptic: pepperstone in aus
04:37	kakobrekla	and no swap
04:37	kakobrekla	the point is bitcoin denomination anyway
04:37	kakobrekla	not so much scalping conditions
04:37	herbijudlestoids	waitwhat, no swap?
04:37	kakobrekla	yea ;)
04:38	herbijudlestoids	so i can pretty much guarantee youre running an unhedged book then?
04:38	kakobrekla	nope
04:39	kakobrekla	all is hedged on currenex
04:39	herbijudlestoids	and they magically require no swap of you?
04:39	kakobrekla	islam saves dude.
04:39	herbijudlestoids	HAHA
04:39	herbijudlestoids	yea, ok seriously no thanks :)
04:39	kakobrekla	you cant imagine the pain our people went through to get this.
04:40	herbijudlestoids	advice from someone who trades FX seriously, but offering STP broker, 500:1 leverage and no swap is only going to attract retail weenies to get fleeced. real FX traders like ECN, probly max 10-20:1 LVR and want their swap
04:41	kakobrekla	fleeces dont have 10 btc
04:43	kakobrekla	but your arguments re leverage n stuff are not valid
04:43	kakobrekla	but i can see how that might appear on first look
04:43	herbijudlestoids	dude
04:43	herbijudlestoids	i know FX traders. i am one.
04:43	herbijudlestoids	we joke to each other about the people who trade in STP
04:43	kakobrekla	point is elsewhere
04:44	herbijudlestoids	i will preface it and say its just my opinion, but serious traders only like to trade their money in real markets
04:44	kakobrekla	no worries
04:44	herbijudlestoids	maybe im wrong and theres a hundred props out there just drooling to short bitcoin on leverage?
04:45	kakobrekla	see, told you you have wrong ideas
04:45	kakobrekla	we dont even do that.
04:45	herbijudlestoids	oh so its only the balance denominated in bitcoins?
04:46	kakobrekla	balance, profits, losses
04:46	herbijudlestoids	well then i am even less sure why i might use this lol
04:46	kakobrekla	ask people who opened an account in 2012 with 100 btc min
04:47	herbijudlestoids	and how did the brokerage account benefit them over keeping those 100btc in a wallet?
04:47	kakobrekla	100 btc was something like 1k usd back then
04:48	herbijudlestoids	i understand that, but when they open the account with you all they are doing is changing their ownership of 100btc into ownining a liability from you to return 100btc
04:48	kakobrekla	brokerage only benefits from good traders
04:48	kakobrekla	which make comissions
04:48	herbijudlestoids	i am not sure how that liability is inherently more profitable than the underlying asset
04:49	herbijudlestoids	look, i dont want to come off as negative nelly on your pet project
04:49	kakobrekla	profitability depends on your trading skills
04:49	herbijudlestoids	just trying to give my 2c and hope you appreciate the honesty
04:50	kakobrekla	no worries you can bark all you want
04:50	herbijudlestoids	err exactly, profitability depends on trading skills, ergo, i have nothing to ask people who opened an account with 100btc in 2012
04:50	herbijudlestoids	if they are profitable its because of their skills or luck, and if not then not. nothing to do with the BTCUSD rate.
04:50	kakobrekla	i kept my exposure to btc while operating on fx market
04:51	kakobrekla	which was the right call.
04:52	herbijudlestoids	well, while "operating" on the FX market, you took on liabilities yourself, probably in several times excess more than the net value of your BTC on several occasions, so whatever premium you earned is a risk premium, thats all, nothing special
04:52	kakobrekla	lol
04:52	kakobrekla	funny guy
04:53	herbijudlestoids	am i funny because you think im wrong? pls lemme know how your strategy goes on nonlinear event days :)
04:53	kakobrekla	assuption is the mother of all fuckup
04:53	kakobrekla	eh, assumption.
04:54	herbijudlestoids	dude. FX trader talking here. i have been in the *real* market on leverage when the liquidity evaporated, on numerous times.
04:54	herbijudlestoids	so unless youre claiming that all of your trades are operating without leverage...
04:55	kakobrekla	im not sure whats confusing you to write all the bollocks really
04:56	herbijudlestoids	im not sure which bit you think is bollocks? do you really think you didnt take on any liabilities when placing leverage trades? do you really believe that stops on currenex are honoured during liquidity events?
04:56	herbijudlestoids	if its bollocks, enlighten me
04:58	herbijudlestoids	haha!
04:58	kakobrekla	haha?
04:59	herbijudlestoids	the venetFX risk disclosure statement, points #1 and #2
04:59	herbijudlestoids	i bet they pool the accounts too
04:59	kakobrekla	who pools the accounts?
05:00	herbijudlestoids	you should send an email to venetFX asking if they pool accounts :)
05:00	kakobrekla	im in the vfx office nao
05:00	kakobrekla	i can just punch someone in the fae
05:00	kakobrekla	face
05:02	kakobrekla	anyway, i never had a case in 2 years where what you describe would be a problem
05:02	herbijudlestoids	recency bias
05:02	kakobrekla	ok
05:02	herbijudlestoids	i have experienced it trading USDJPY during the may 6 2010 flash crash
05:02	herbijudlestoids	and trading EURNZD before RBNZ comes online in the morning
05:03	herbijudlestoids	i have even had limits in EURUSD gapped during news
05:03	herbijudlestoids	on the fucken interbank...trust me...it happens
05:04	kakobrekla	im stacked with btc so whatevs
05:05	herbijudlestoids	well, i guess all i can say is i hope you never experience a 1% adverse move when youve got a 100:1 open trade :)
05:06	kakobrekla	i would never use :100
05:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 80 @ 0.005 = 0.4 BTC
05:07	kakobrekla	but yeah if people wanna gamble, let them gable
05:07	kakobrekla	gamble
05:09	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: in europe i like dukascopy and have an account there, but rarely use it anymore since pepperstone came to australia.
05:09	kakobrekla	aha
05:10	kakobrekla	as long as they pay...
05:13	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: i got a bunch of models for FX that i cant use, want em? :D
05:13	herbijudlestoids	i will even share them for free
05:13	kakobrekla	dunno all models are wrong
05:13	kakobrekla	some are useful
05:14	herbijudlestoids	these are models where the goal is to generate a ~10%CAGR over ~10y with low/no correlation to regular asset classes
05:15	herbijudlestoids	mostly for EURUSD since that is my bread and butter, but a couple of adaptive ones that tend to work as part of a portfolio of model
05:18	kakobrekla	why is it that you cant use them anyway
05:19	herbijudlestoids	well i build more models than i need, and only have so much capital, plus some are more tax constraining than others
05:20	herbijudlestoids	here ya go, i wrote this mean reversion model for EURUSD in R and as well an MQL4 copy, i noticed you support MT4 as the platform so this one is probly easier
05:20	herbijudlestoids	http://pastebin.com/dvMPBmjL
05:20	herbijudlestoids	basically betting against short term action and sizing based on position in the long term range
05:21	herbijudlestoids	i have a better version which uses a couple of simple regime filters somewhere, that allos the same model to work on all the major pairs...lemme see if i can find it
05:23	kakobrekla	> if(Close[1] < Close[n] && Close[1] > Close[s]) {
05:23	kakobrekla	heavy shit ;)
05:24	Apocalyptic	heh
05:24	herbijudlestoids	there ya go, here is the regime filter version http://pastebin.com/LpxA0icf
05:24	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: simplicity = robustness :)
05:24	kakobrekla	dont get me wrong
05:24	kakobrekla	i love simplicity
05:25	kakobrekla	after a year of simplicifying i ended up with 5k+ lines of code in 3 seperate processes
05:26	herbijudlestoids	i also got a follow through model somewhere, built originally for GBPUSD...called (no surprise) deconfidence, cant find it right now
05:26	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: i should clarify. these models are not for intraday use, they trade on an EOD basis
05:27	kakobrekla	ill bounce it to enky, he does evaluations n shit
05:28	herbijudlestoids	anyway, i got some more around, lemme know if you want them.
05:28	kakobrekla	let see what he sez
05:28	kakobrekla	but imo thats not what im after.
05:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00093504 = 16.5502 BTC [-]
05:31	herbijudlestoids	i guess im interested to see what he has to say, the mean reversion model i actually implement is not *too* far off that ;)
05:32	herbijudlestoids	slightly different design for tax purposes
05:32	kakobrekla	sure ill fwd you the reply
05:32	kakobrekla	what is the tax issue exactly
05:33	kakobrekla	perhaps you need a btc denomination
05:33	kakobrekla	hehe.
05:34	herbijudlestoids	basically, depending on my gross income in a given year i can have my tax treated differently...trading certain positions allows me to claim them as hedges against other positions in other markets...much better tax treatment, better overall annual return
05:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 825 @ 0.002999 = 2.4742 BTC [+]
05:34	herbijudlestoids	i hire an accountant to do the legwork :P
05:35	kakobrekla	:)
05:35	herbijudlestoids	btc denomination i dont think will help me unless i plan on never repatriating any profits
05:36	herbijudlestoids	which i need to do, so i can rebalance various investments etc
05:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.0029998 = 0.591 BTC [+]
05:36	kakobrekla	hm why do you think that?
05:36	herbijudlestoids	because i have to explain to the tax office where the money in my account is coming from? and if i just say "selling bitcoins" then i have to pay 50% capital gains tax?
05:37	pizzaman1337	what country do you pay taxes to?
05:37	kakobrekla	well move then, no fx or btc gains tax here
05:37	herbijudlestoids	im in aus
05:37	kakobrekla	and that question mark on the end, does that mean you are unsure
05:37	Apocalyptic	no capital gain tax in Switzerland either
05:38	kakobrekla	well you have capital gain tax here but not for spot fx or btc
05:38	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: no not unsure, i guess i thought it was an obvoius question
05:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
05:38	herbijudlestoids	trust me i am very sure about my tax treatment lol
05:38	kakobrekla	well different countries have different laws
05:38	kakobrekla	but you can also use btc directly
05:38	kakobrekla	to buy stuff
05:39	kakobrekla	like a G5 or something
05:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
05:39	herbijudlestoids	hehe im a lil more profitable than consumer goods can cover
05:39	herbijudlestoids	or is a G5 some kind of expensive thing i dunno about
05:39	herbijudlestoids	i thought you meant a mac :P
05:40	kakobrekla	gulfstream 5
05:40	herbijudlestoids	lel, ok im not that profitable ;)
05:40	kakobrekla	bitcoin assets : where g5 is consumer goods
05:40	Apocalyptic	heh
05:47	herbijudlestoids	i hear the US AG was in sweden today, think there is some trouble brewing over the assange case
05:47	herbijudlestoids	http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3995801.ece
05:47	herbijudlestoids	o, nvm dont click, paywall
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06:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150 @ 0.00093764 = 0.1406 BTC [+]
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06:21	kakobrekla	herbijudlestoids you want the short answer or the long answer
06:22	herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: always the long answer, even though i dont know which question youre referring to :D
06:23	kakobrekla	low pf, very low sortino, good to catch reversals, return is shit compared to all the risks
06:24	herbijudlestoids	lel, its not position sized? its just the model
06:24	herbijudlestoids	but coo
06:25	herbijudlestoids	o wait no it is position sized
06:25	herbijudlestoids	but coo :)
06:25	kakobrekla	we dicarded models with twice the performance of that
06:25	kakobrekla	discarded
06:25	kakobrekla	not trying to rain on your parade
06:25	kakobrekla	just sayin
06:26	herbijudlestoids	no its coo, my parade isnt exactly that but similar
06:26	herbijudlestoids	(at least for mean reversion on EURUSD)
06:27	herbijudlestoids	like i said, i write way more models than i need, store them if they make ~$10,000 from $10,000 in ~10y and discard if not
06:29	herbijudlestoids	gon watch this fullscreen, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7U-lv0uAbY pls excuse me
06:34	kakobrekla	10k from 10k in 10 year
06:34	kakobrekla	you will be dead by the time you make money
06:37	Diablo-D3	https://plus.google.com/+UrsH%C3%B6lzle/posts/UseinB6wvmh
06:43	kakobrekla	anyway i go. later
06:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
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07:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001244 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3}
07:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1632 @ 0.00012218 = 0.1994 BTC [-] {5}
07:20	ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9916/auroracoin-icelands-national-cryptocurrency/
07:20	ThickAsThieves	"The Auroracoin is set to release in less than two months and has a very unique distribution plan. It will give every Icelander 31.8 Auroracoins (AUC)."
07:21	chipug	thats a bloody ace idea
07:21	truffles	can we expect murrcacoin
07:21	chipug	for promotion
07:21	chipug	who is behind it?
07:22	ThickAsThieves	Iceland
07:22	ThickAsThieves	wait
07:22	ThickAsThieves	nevermind
07:22	ThickAsThieves	it's just another alt
07:23	ThickAsThieves	and now i'm officially done with Bitcoin Magazine
07:23	truffles	just another alt scheme eh
07:23	ThickAsThieves	this is much more cringe-worthy: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/5/5381166/google-reaches-antitrust-agreement-with-european-regulators-over
07:24	ThickAsThieves	so much wrong in that solution
07:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5699 BTC [+]
07:26	truffles	splains why relevant stuff on page 2..
07:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
07:32	ThickAsThieves	i know this might sound bad, but is there any good research on using ignorant crowds as indicators?
07:33	ThickAsThieves	something like, 85% of bitcointalk thinks A is the right choice, thus B is more likely to be correct
07:33	truffles	what one informed ?
07:34	truffles	makes^
07:34	truffles	plenty of ignorant smart ppl itc :D
07:34	ThickAsThieves	it's more about polling people that "think" or have been "taught" to think their superficial understanding is useful
07:34	ThickAsThieves	well we're all ignorant to something
07:35	ThickAsThieves	many things
07:35	truffles	but are they aware of that ignorance
07:35	ThickAsThieves	in this case no, that's the whole thing
07:35	ThickAsThieves	they are anti-intellectual
07:35	ThickAsThieves	so maybe a good indicator
07:35	ThickAsThieves	hehe
07:36	chetty	ThickAsThieves: easy, look at election results ...
07:36	truffles	well business and finance arent usually where u find the brightest bunch
07:37	truffles	IT makes me more disappoint sometimes
07:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
07:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.15 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
07:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
07:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
07:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
07:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.15 = 0.75 BTC [-]
08:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
08:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
08:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
08:15	chipug	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/dread-pirate-roberts-2-0-an-interview-with-silk-roads-new-boss/
08:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
08:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0009345 = 5.7005 BTC [-]
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08:36	Duffer1	Max Keiser, the human spambot
08:36	Duffer1	why am i following his twitter
08:37	truffles	u secrectly admire him
08:37	ThickAsThieves	you follow him because he's the most visible hardcore bitcoiner
08:37	Duffer1	i don't know if i know enough to discount his seemingly algorithmic financial-word-salad spam
08:38	Duffer1	hardcore is a good word for it
08:38	ThickAsThieves	i only pay some attention to him because of his devotion and that sometimes cooler people spend time with him
08:39	truffles	who is cooler than kaiser??
08:39	Apocalyptic	truffles, what have you been up to lately ?
08:40	truffles	not much, i did miss my fav opp :D
08:40	truffles	urself?
08:40	Apocalyptic	heh
08:41	Apocalyptic	been busy travelling
08:41	truffles	business or pleasure?
08:42	truffles	or other
08:42	Apocalyptic	kinda both :)
08:43	truffles	u eat the extra thin layer skin of pistachios?
08:43	deadweas1l	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448847.0
08:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.083608 = 0.418 BTC [-] {4}
08:45	truffles	thought paypal was the unsafe way to do transactions anyways
08:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00557127 = 0.5571 BTC [-] {10}
08:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55110111 BTC [-]
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00083999 = 0.126 BTC [+]
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 322 @ 0.003 = 0.966 BTC [+]
08:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.0299 = 0.1196 BTC [+]
08:57	ThickAsThieves	https://www.malwarebytes.org/ accepting bitcoin
08:59	punkman1	http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_25057486/wisconsin-man-loses-150-000-international-bitcoin-scam
09:00	punkman1	"Concerned about the security of his digital bitcoins, Russell agreed to digitally submit 201.7 bitcoins to a man in the United Kingdom for 190 physical bitcoins"
09:03	deadweas1l	yay malwarebytes!
09:04	Diablo-D3	>190 physical bitcoins
09:04	Diablo-D3	wat
09:04	deadweas1l	he only lost 10, sounds like a deal for the ignorant.
09:04	Diablo-D3	deadweas1l: uh? he lost all of them, no?
09:05	Diablo-D3	theres no such thing as a physical bitcoin
09:05	ThickAsThieves	basically "Forumite doesn't use escrow, news at 11!"
09:05	Duffer1	sounds like he was trying to buy some cascs from a scammer
09:05	deadweas1l	taht's what I thought.
09:05	deadweas1l	so he lost all
09:05	deadweas1l	FUUUUUUUCK
09:05	deadweas1l	dumbass
09:06	Duffer1	poor guy :(
09:06	punkman1	but they were btctalk buddies for a year, such trust
09:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08302001 = 0.3321 BTC [-] {2}
09:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 230 @ 0.07761573 = 17.8516 BTC [-] {19}
09:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
09:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.003 = 0.387 BTC [+] {2}
09:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
09:48	ThickAsThieves	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vv7q-MLTyQ&feature=youtu.be
09:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.1205 BTC [-] {4}
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
10:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1130 @ 0.003 = 3.39 BTC [+] {3}
10:05	Duffer1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg8LfoyDFUM
10:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00093366 = 2.6609 BTC [-]
10:07	ThickAsThieves	pandora just scammed me
10:07	ThickAsThieves	told me if i watched some vido ad for 30secs i'd have 4hours of no ads
10:07	ThickAsThieves	90 minutes later, an ad
10:08	Duffer1	spotify is better in every way
10:08	ThickAsThieves	disagree
10:08	ThickAsThieves	it is better in some ways
10:08	ThickAsThieves	not every way
10:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 200 @ 0.005 = 1 BTC
10:08	Duffer1	disagree :P
10:08	ThickAsThieves	pandora is way better at suggesting new music
10:09	ThickAsThieves	ive found so many new things i like from their radio
10:09	Duffer1	ok you got me there
10:09	ThickAsThieves	lol
10:09	Duffer1	their channels are more in line with the type of music you're likely looking for, spotify's radio feature just don't compare
10:10	Duffer1	doesn't
10:10	ThickAsThieves	nor does Google Music's
10:10	Duffer1	i haven't even tried gmusic
10:10	ThickAsThieves	it's pretty nice really
10:10	punkman1	that's because Pandora pays people to categorize every song
10:10	ThickAsThieves	right now my issue is iTunes exclusives
10:10	punkman1	too bad they shut it down in EU
10:10	ThickAsThieves	fucking bullshit
10:10	Duffer1	i went from pandora to grooveshark to spotify, i haven't tried google music or lastfm
10:10	Duffer1	ya lol
10:11	Duffer1	damn itunes
10:11	Duffer1	pandora is shutdown in the uk?
10:11	ThickAsThieves	i accidentally went to pandora via a EU VPN and was like uhhh wtf
10:11	punkman1	I don't think it works in the UK, not sure
10:13	ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/03/bitbeat-your-daily-bitcoin-round-up/
10:15	punkman1	http://www.wecoin88.com/?q=node/221
10:17	ThickAsThieves	virtual art ownership? meh
10:19	punkman1	their logo is too pixelated for me to trust them
10:21	ThickAsThieves	the site is somewhat ghetto
10:21	punkman1	http://www.tutela.net/tutelaNet.html
10:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
10:30	ThickAsThieves	Duffer1 I like the haikus
10:31	Duffer1	^.^
10:32	Duffer1	i'm surprised how easy it was to rhyme Popescu
10:34	ThickAsThieves	The latest Snowden-related revelation is that Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) proactively targeted the communications infrastructure used by the online activist collective known as Anonymous.
10:34	ThickAsThieves	Specifically, they implemented distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks on the internet relay chat (IRC) rooms used by Anonymous. They also implanted malware to out the personal identity details of specific participants.
10:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
10:34	ThickAsThieves	friggin Brits and their netsplits
10:35	Duffer1	i'm curious how they delivered the malware
10:36	ThickAsThieves	they probably had more than one option at their disposal
10:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56989699 BTC [+]
10:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56989799 BTC [+]
10:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
10:48	mircea_popescu	bettyclamp
10:49	mircea_popescu	whoa. so i go to call up benkay who ofcourse isn't on, and i hit on bettyclamp ? who are ye!
10:51	ThickAsThieves	Former Minnesota governor and pro wrestler Jesse Ventura is currently on the press circuit around the launch of his talk show Off the Grid, but only from an undisclosed location in Mexico, safe from the prying camera-eyes of drones. "I'm off the grid," he said in an interview with CNBC yesterday. "I move about with my TV show so that the drones can't find me, and that you won't know
10:51	ThickAsThieves	exactly where I am as long as we have solar power and we can reach the satellite."
10:51	mircea_popescu	um
10:51	ThickAsThieves	only in Americo
10:51	mircea_popescu	but if he reaches the satellite i know where he is
10:52	ThickAsThieves	also, what fuck does anyone give where he is
10:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
10:52	mircea_popescu	well that too.
10:52	mircea_popescu	but i mean what the fuck is with these people, it's quite plain to explain that talking to a satellite is like yelling really really loudly.
10:53	ThickAsThieves	well we're criticizing the wrong problem
10:53	mircea_popescu	he imagines that "as long as i got my coffee and can yell to the wifey for sandwiches the kids don;t know where in the house i am to come asking for money" ?
10:53	ThickAsThieves	i dont think he believes what he is saying
10:53	mircea_popescu	then what's he sayin' it for.
10:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
10:53	ThickAsThieves	no he's saying it for the people that do worry about that shit
10:53	ThickAsThieves	for their votes
10:53	punkman1	he gets paid to say that shit
10:53	ThickAsThieves	or whatever
10:53	mircea_popescu	yes, but here's the problem :
10:54	mircea_popescu	he could say something intelligent that'd work just as well
10:54	mircea_popescu	bar that, he could say something unstupid that worked just as well
10:54	ThickAsThieves	if he werent pandering to anti-intellectuals maybe
10:54	mircea_popescu	his choice to say something retarded i HIS
10:55	ThickAsThieves	well as a "pro" wrestler, it's surprising he'd compromise his integrity for attention
10:55	ThickAsThieves	not
10:55	mircea_popescu	ya definitely.
10:55	ThickAsThieves	hehe
10:56	ThickAsThieves	you see the google news?
10:56	ThickAsThieves	your google will suck now
10:56	mircea_popescu	nah i've not looked outdoors yet.
10:57	ThickAsThieves	<ThickAsThieves> this is much more cringe-worthy: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/5/5381166/google-reaches-antitrust-agreement-with-european-regulators-over
10:57	mircea_popescu	that, incidentally, would be one of the cool things to do :
10:57	mircea_popescu	a bitcoin google. you can advertise on it on the bitbet model and fu govts.
10:57	ThickAsThieves	put more search in your search bro!
10:57	mircea_popescu	it indexes anything, gl.
10:58	ThickAsThieves	well there was my custom filter idea
10:58	mircea_popescu	filter schmilter. have a spider farm
10:58	ThickAsThieves	not sure bitcoindecentralizable
10:58	mircea_popescu	have an actual coin whose pow is related to spidering websites
10:58	ThickAsThieves	hmm
10:59	ThickAsThieves	sucks to not have a legion of competent programmers at our disposal to explore every whim
10:59	mircea_popescu	we do.
10:59	Apocalyptic	i don't believe that's pow-able
10:59	mircea_popescu	sucks to onyl have a legion.
10:59	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic whyssat ?
10:59	mircea_popescu	we need over 9000 legions
11:00	punkman1	spidering is the easy part, indexing and answering queries fast is the problem
11:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00305999 = 0.4131 BTC [+] {2}
11:00	mircea_popescu	punkman1 this is true.
11:00	mircea_popescu	the thing is, one of the fundamental business strategy mistakes google fell into is
11:01	mircea_popescu	that it picked "fast" rather than "correctly"
11:01	punkman1	like I wanted to put commoncrawl data on AWS and run my own queries, but fuck it if it's gonna cost me $20 per query
11:01	mircea_popescu	you'd rather have 5 second waits for excellent search pages than the current search pages in .5 seconds
11:02	ThickAsThieves	works well enough for most i guess
11:02	mircea_popescu	they didn't start this way, back when larry and serghey, but over the course of "business" various moles slowly optimized towards it
11:02	punkman1	not enough seconds for everyone
11:02	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves only because they don't know what they're missing.
11:02	punkman1	my biggest gripe is that exact search is no longer very exact
11:02	ThickAsThieves	indeed, my wife is actually the one who reminds me of this
11:02	mircea_popescu	for instance.
11:02	ThickAsThieves	she thinks google is too creepy and will create a small paradigm
11:03	mircea_popescu	it has already
11:03	mircea_popescu	all the fuckwitted jimothies out there are the results of the kitsch-wisdom created by google and wikipedia.
11:03	ThickAsThieves	in and of itself maybe
11:03	ThickAsThieves	but i dont get all my info from google
11:03	punkman1	Google is like the central planning office of the internet
11:03	mircea_popescu	YOU don't.
11:03	mircea_popescu	a good chunk of the people listening to jesse james or w/e the mn govt's name was do however.
11:04	mircea_popescu	and the rest they get either from people who got all their info from google and failed to understand it
11:04	mircea_popescu	or from various panderers who are too stupid to pander intelligently or at least unstupidly
11:04	ThickAsThieves	yeah the same people that go "if this surch is so great, who so slowz!"
11:04	mircea_popescu	and there it is, a full meal.
11:04	ThickAsThieves	why so slowz*
11:04	mircea_popescu	speal better!
11:05	ThickAsThieves	sometimes my brain has no idea what my fingers are doing
11:06	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/9VM9qDd.gif << tat's brain
11:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
11:06	ThickAsThieves	dogebrain
11:08	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/iWRYZI0.gif hahaha she rules.
11:11	ThickAsThieves	facemaking practice?
11:12	mircea_popescu	mebbe it's just cause she looks familiar.
11:13	mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/e58f0ce0f18c39950977d1233ffb13b3/tumblr_inline_msb7c8VQhK1qz4rgp.gif << this kid should ipo
11:16	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/D7ymfIc.gif
11:21	chipug	that paper towel thing was fucking great way to wake up, thanks lol
11:22	Duffer1	?
11:22	mircea_popescu	yw
11:23	chipug	Duffer1: the 'ipo kid' gif from mircea
11:23	chipug	genius
11:24	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/is8K8zY.gif
11:24	mircea_popescu	i shoulda had a painting LIKE THAT comissioned.
11:24	Duffer1	ah the internets, restart comp, meanwhile the world changes
11:25	ThickAsThieves	is the painting happening?
11:25	mircea_popescu	i should think so
11:26	mircea_popescu	or if not there shall be CONSEQUENCES
11:26	mircea_popescu	on the internet
11:26	mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/82715e2d6552ca5b3b2d20cefcdc99cd/tumblr_inline_mqilb78pyf1qz4rgp.gif
11:28	chipug	bahaha how unlucky! i bring you a gif in return http://imgur.com/a/cV4vN?gallery
11:28	mircea_popescu	lol retards
11:29	ThickAsThieves	i can't even read the Neo thread anymore without using the PR account, I have so many people ignored
11:29	ThickAsThieves	it's probly 2 people
11:30	Duffer1	"Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 28s.@DogecoinCharity Nobody has created more BTC millionaires than @KeiserReport I hope you weren't left behind."
11:31	ThickAsThieves	...
11:31	chipug	o.o
11:31	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 give him a link to http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/
11:31	mircea_popescu	he always loves being reminded i'm still wearing his anal ring.
11:31	Duffer1	ha
11:31	mircea_popescu	and if he responds anything you can always give him http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
11:32	PiratByran	Hey, can someone do me a favor?
11:32	chipug	lol just how often do you get asked if it's you on the horse mircea_popescu?!
11:32	nubbins`	ah, the pirate bureau
11:32	mircea_popescu	funny how this shit works, too, after april he took a six months break
11:32	mircea_popescu	now he's back making the same claims
11:32	mircea_popescu	PiratByran shoot
11:32	PiratByran	Well, I was going to purchase something for my friends birthday using bitcoin.
11:32	Duffer1	i'll stay out of that one MP :P
11:32	mircea_popescu	chipug it is. not too often, more often mpoe-pr gets asked if she's a guy.
11:32	ThickAsThieves	i took care of it
11:32	PiratByran	And because of various circumstances, I had to use a convoluted method of buying bitcoins.
11:32	ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/431102348421644288
11:33	ozbot	Twitter / maxkeiser: .@DogecoinCharity Nobody has ...
11:33	chipug	why will no one believe we're not lying about being girls?
11:33	nubbins`	PiratByran, many methods of buying bitcoins are convoluted
11:33	PiratByran	Doing my math wrong with fees, I came up 51 U.S. cents (.0006 btc) short.
11:33	mircea_popescu	chipug have you seen mpoe-pr ?
11:33	nubbins`	chipug: because most people are lying about it
11:33	PiratByran	I am a beggar. I will not pretend to be above that right now :P. I fucked up, and it would be very helpful for someone to donate 51 cents to me.
11:33	nubbins`	PiratByran: if you're asking for a handout, PFO
11:33	PiratByran	pfo? unfamiliar
11:34	nubbins`	;;ud pfo
11:34	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pfo | PFO. A rejection letter received after an unsuccessful job interview. Also applicable for any polite-but-final rejection. Origin: An acronym of "Please F--k Off ".
11:34	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: pfo
11:34	PiratByran	oooo
11:34	chipug	i've seen her dp on btctalk, she's a bonny lassy, she mustve gotten same hassle, why i took pic off
11:34	mircea_popescu	dude, i'm not giving you whatever dust because that'll result in a bunch of other idiots trying to do the same.
11:34	nubbins`	^
11:34	PiratByran	okay, no love here. sorry for the bother
11:34	mircea_popescu	gl.
11:34	nubbins`	love != charity
11:34	PiratByran	yeah, Ive been to third world contries I know that argument haha, its cool makes sense
11:34	PiratByran	just sucks having to wait quite some time for 51 cents :(
11:34	nubbins`	i love my wife, doesn't mean i give her a nickel every time she does math wrong
11:34	mircea_popescu	it's a fact, after openbsd we kept getting dudes with stuff
11:34	mircea_popescu	my twitter is fulla it etc.
11:35	chipug	51 cents?! wtf im like 2 months behind on rent and won't beg.
11:35	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, this is why people don't give
11:35	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i hope you give her a welt.
11:35	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, a kiss ;(
11:35	Duffer1	ya there was also a noticeable uptick in #bitcoin-assets participation after that as well MP
11:35	mircea_popescu	"vanilla" he said derrisively.
11:35	nubbins`	hahaha
11:35	nubbins`	if only you knew
11:35	mircea_popescu	no, it's ok
11:35	ThickAsThieves	yeah the openbsd donation did bring some nice new blood
11:36	nubbins`	wasn't an offer to share ;)
11:36	chipug	i take it 51 cents are also not worth waiting for
11:36	nubbins`	well if he'd thought ahead, he would have bought a bit extra.
11:36	nubbins`	"whoops, the exchange rate changed slightly"
11:37	mircea_popescu	o wait that derpage was on twitter ?
11:37	mircea_popescu	ooookay, let's play.
11:37	mircea_popescu	nubbins` tbh, it's shitty implementation on the pp's part
11:38	chetty	9 killed as firefighters battle a blaze that destroyed Argentine banking archives
11:39	deadweasel	burn them all! (archives)
11:40	chetty	looks like a good start on that deadweasel
11:40	Duffer1	this will end well
11:40	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431105025985630210 <<
11:40	ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ...
11:40	mircea_popescu	if anyone cares to rt, i'm sure it'll do a lot for an old man's happiness.
11:40	mircea_popescu	chetty whoa.
11:41	Duffer1	man i just watched fight club last night
11:42	Duffer1	maybe some argentinians saw it too :P
11:42	ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/431105094331813888 :)
11:42	ozbot	Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser No. Altcoin is. ...
11:42	ThickAsThieves	also i retweeted for you
11:43	mircea_popescu	why ty.
11:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00307997 = 0.308 BTC [+]
11:43	mircea_popescu	Glyn Jones @onlinementor3 · 1m
11:43	mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu Hi Mircea these Four Free eBooks will really help you achieve success http://online-mentor4you.blogspot.co.uk/
11:43	mircea_popescu	no srsly.
11:43	mircea_popescu	of the whole 1bn people online i was chosen as the one who needs a little help on the topic.
11:44	ThickAsThieves	stop searching "Who is the fairest mentor of them all" then
11:45	mircea_popescu	whoa. seems i accidentally found a way to get past twitter's 140 character limit
11:45	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431105025985630210 << hoover on the link.
11:45	ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ...
11:45	ThickAsThieves	nice, now just make a hover.com and do it as a service
11:45	mircea_popescu	ya srsly.
11:46	mircea_popescu	then get VCs to finance me and spend the rest of my life eating airline food and conference rubber ducks
11:46	ThickAsThieves	althover.io
11:46	mircea_popescu	twitterstretch.in
11:46	mircea_popescu	logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600
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11:46	ThickAsThieves	moretwitterinyourtwitter.bro
11:47	ThickAsThieves	twitter has no spam reporting?
11:48	ThickAsThieves	nevermind
11:48	ThickAsThieves	had to log in
11:48	deadweasel	i'm soryr, can I get a link on "mechanical vaginal pears circa 1660"? i'm at work.
11:49	mircea_popescu	http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/luckyyou7023/vaginal-pear-02.jpg
11:49	mircea_popescu	end spike optional
11:49	ThickAsThieves	i assumed a sppeculum
11:50	mircea_popescu	(that's really for uteral forced expansion, which is way more painful)_
11:50	ThickAsThieves	then slogan can be
11:50	deadweasel	omg, so glad I don't have a uterus
11:50	Duffer1	wow the engraving, they put a lot of effort and care into that
11:50	ThickAsThieves	Be an Asshole and put more Dick in your Tweeter
11:51	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 the artist wasn't paid so well, but he took solace in the notion his handywork will be embossed on generations of boxes.
11:51	Duffer1	ha
11:51	mircea_popescu	you know, sort-of like the hiring pitch for webdevs today
11:51	ThickAsThieves	"think of all the customer it will bring you"
11:52	mircea_popescu	deadweasel don't be that happy. http://www.bcmamedicalmuseum.org/object/i2995w.jpg
11:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00306 = 0.1989 BTC [-]
11:52	deadweasel	lovely, next time i need my anus dilated, I'll pick up a set.
11:52	mircea_popescu	that
11:53	mircea_popescu	s not what those are.
11:53	ThickAsThieves	penis enlargers!
11:53	mircea_popescu	vanilla weasel never saw urethral sounds.
11:53	deadweasel	oh shit.
11:53	mircea_popescu	yw.
11:53	mircea_popescu	(ps, one of the early uses of electricity...)
11:54	ThickAsThieves	today an amazing thing happened to me
11:54	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
11:54	deadweasel	well, i could get into that..
11:54	ThickAsThieves	a forum poster criticized my post, I retorted, and he conceded
11:54	mircea_popescu	no ?!
11:55	mircea_popescu	you have stepped in an alternate reality
11:55	deadweasel	you must be on the wrong forum
11:55	ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4953144#msg4953144
11:55	ozbot	ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
11:55	mircea_popescu	check who controls the vertical and the horizontal.
11:55	mircea_popescu	aaahahahaha
11:55	mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/2666f75887c09590958eda247c8f15e8/tumblr_inline_mpl3opPOYZ1qz4rgp.gif
11:55	ThickAsThieves	lol
11:57	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/tTzteY6.gif < is this sodium ?
11:58	deadweasel	that front middle kitty is veryapprehensive. middle middle kitty gives no fucks.
11:58	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/71YgV8q.gif
11:59	punkman1	looks like tin
11:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.66666485 BTC to 695 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
11:59	mircea_popescu	tin doesn't fragment oxidizing does it ?
11:59	mircea_popescu	it just gets a cover, like aluminum
12:00	ThickAsThieves	silica?
12:00	ThickAsThieves	i have no idea what i'm talking about
12:00	mircea_popescu	that's not metallic
12:00	mircea_popescu	this is definitely metallic
12:00	chetty	sugar
12:00	mircea_popescu	nah, i think it's an elementary substance
12:01	ThickAsThieves	aluminum
12:01	kakobreklaa	read dood.
12:02	kakobreklaa	blah power out again. bbl
12:02	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/uM8s3gQ.gif
12:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
12:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.119 = 0.357 BTC [+]
12:06	punkman1	mircea_popescu: yeah that's it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXB83Heh3_c
12:08	mircea_popescu	a wow wd.
12:08	mircea_popescu	tin huh
12:09	punkman1	"time lapse video of sample maintained at -40 C. 20 shots per hour."
12:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 799 @ 0.00012794 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {4}
12:11	punkman1	mircea_popescu: will the Cardano be lead-free or anything?
12:11	mircea_popescu	i know it'll be gold plated, but i doubt it'll be lead free
12:11	mircea_popescu	we're capitalists not environmentalists over here
12:11	asciilifeform	i've always thought of my gear puller as 'the pear'
12:11	asciilifeform	(similar: http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/Photos/tools/plomb_4070_gear_puller_38_cropped.jpg)
12:11	Duffer1	pff it's not green? /dealbreaker
12:11	punkman1	wouldn't want any tin whiskers
12:11	mircea_popescu	it's not green its golden.
12:12	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform srsly, all that molten solder you've been breathing / spreading aroud the kitchen
12:12	mircea_popescu	it has lead and arsenic in it rite ?
12:12	punkman1	the smoke is just flux though
12:12	mircea_popescu	so you tihnk
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 468 @ 0.00083998 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {3}
12:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12113333 = 0.3634 BTC [+] {2}
12:13	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/0RArhfs.gif << now that's aptitude.
12:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.129 = 0.903 BTC [+]
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55110013 = 1.1022 BTC [-]
12:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00551447 = 0.4522 BTC [-] {6}
12:14	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: Sn / Bi alloy.
12:15	mircea_popescu	aww. and i thought the units could double as art!
12:16	asciilifeform	melting point 138C.
12:17	asciilifeform	PCB is lead-free, ICs aren't.
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.550002 = 2.75 BTC [-] {2}
12:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.13 = 0.52 BTC [+]
12:17	punkman1	hmm so tin whiskers do indeed have to do with this "tin pest" reaction
12:18	mircea_popescu	kinda hard to make semiconductors lead free.
12:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12400001 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}
12:20	asciilifeform	http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5250
12:20	ozbot	Tin Whiskers Are Real and Complex - Tutorial - Maxim
12:21	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/T5PnOJl.gif
12:23	the20year1	RentalStarter will be live for purchase on havelock Friday
12:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+]
12:24	Duffer1	grats man
12:25	the20year1	I'm happy
12:25	nubbins`	i'm happy too
12:26	nubbins`	my beautiful copy of the codex seraphinianus arrived today
12:26	nubbins`	it even quelled my rage at this client we're dealing with
12:26	nubbins`	who would rather fly 6.25% organic cotton tank tops in from the exact opposite end of the north american continent
12:26	nubbins`	than use non-organic tanks from the next province over
12:26	nubbins`	because organic
12:26	nubbins`	"is this logo good enough quality?" 28kb png
12:27	nubbins`	wait, no, the rage is back
12:27	the20year1	lol
12:27	the20year1	6.25% organic cotton because....?
12:27	asciilifeform	british crown ddos of irc!
12:27	asciilifeform	http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/nsa/332/snowden-leak-gshq-attacked-anonymous-in-2012/27549
12:27	nubbins`	because organic
12:27	nubbins`	because she runs a yoga studio
12:27	mircea_popescu	and this is where we quote to you
12:27	nubbins`	and because most people, given the choice between BEING "eco-friendly" and APPEARING "eco-friendly", will choose the latter
12:28	mircea_popescu	"punkman1> he gets paid to say that shit"
12:28	nubbins`	seriously, i could sew a one-inch strip of organic cotton onto the bottom of a regular tank top for the same effect.
12:28	ThickAsThieves	all wasted sewing power though
12:28	mircea_popescu	actually this is an engineering task.
12:29	mircea_popescu	do you know the per-km-pound impact of transporting vs the per pound impact of manufacturing nongreen ?
12:29	mircea_popescu	it may actually be the case she's right.
12:29	asciilifeform	enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly.
12:29	asciilifeform	http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/puron.htm
12:29	chipug	gshq?!
12:29	punkman1	so it only contains 6.25% organic cotton?
12:29	nubbins`	6.25% organic cotton and 6.25% recycled polyester
12:29	nubbins`	the rest is just regular cotton/poly
12:29	ThickAsThieves	yeah cuz wholly organic would ruin yoga tudios profit margin
12:30	nubbins`	oh, did i mention these are OVER DOUBLE THE COST, too?
12:30	punkman1	why even mix the two?
12:30	nubbins`	punkman1: for some reason, you can't buy 100% organic cotton tank tops.
12:30	nubbins`	i'm not sure why
12:30	ThickAsThieves	maybe cuz they shrink too much
12:30	nubbins`	cotton's cotton, it's usually pre-shrunk anyway
12:30	ThickAsThieves	so they say
12:30	nubbins`	yeah
12:30	nubbins`	still shrinks 3-5%
12:30	nubbins`	regardless
12:31	nubbins`	i can buy a 100% cotton tee
12:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.53520272 = 16.0561 BTC [-] {11}
12:31	nubbins`	but not a tank
12:31	ThickAsThieves	ah
12:31	nubbins`	seriously, $6 for non-organic cotton and $15 for 6.25% organic
12:31	nubbins`	"WE'LL GO WITH THE ECO FRIENDLY ONES"
12:31	nubbins`	"HERE'S A 200PX LOGO THAT I WANT PRINTED EIGHT INCHES WIDE"
12:31	chipug	honestly, fuck going outside. think i'll give that a miss from now on
12:31	nubbins`	"WHY ARE MY LETTERS ALL BIG"
12:31	ThickAsThieves	incidentally i did few t-shirt orders for clients, but the last one was a yoga studio
12:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.51610665 = 10.8382 BTC [-] {8}
12:32	nubbins`	tat, fucking fake hippies
12:32	ThickAsThieves	same issues
12:32	nubbins`	i'm surprised they didn't ask for bamboo tanks
12:32	ThickAsThieves	except they only wanted 10 at a time
12:32	ThickAsThieves	cuz they are poor
12:32	nubbins`	(which, incidentally, is eco-unfriendly
12:32	nubbins`	)
12:32	nubbins`	heh
12:32	mircea_popescu	nubbins` clearly the tee but not tank is a conspiraci of the feminist dykes to make life difficult for the sluts.
12:32	nubbins`	did they realize that 10 at a time was the least cost-effective method?
12:32	mircea_popescu	no other explanation.
12:33	the20year1	how many eco types buy priuses?
12:33	nubbins`	none because they can't afford one
12:33	the20year1	i see em all the time locally
12:33	ThickAsThieves	my wife has one
12:33	nubbins`	i've never seen one
12:33	nubbins`	ever
12:33	ThickAsThieves	and is part of a green nonprofit
12:33	mircea_popescu	http://mahmood.tv/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/hooters-protest1.jpg
12:33	mircea_popescu	tank vs tee
12:33	the20year1	i see them all the time, with gore/lieberman stickers on them
12:33	nubbins`	funny story, our first hooters is opening up this year
12:34	asciilifeform	three or four on this street, some with the familiar green DOD stickers
12:34	the20year1	And when I ask them what they think about the amount of pollutants created to make the NiMh for the battery, they look like a deer in headlights
12:34	ThickAsThieves	my wife's only has cat stickers
12:34	nubbins`	heh
12:34	ThickAsThieves	i did it as a joke
12:34	ThickAsThieves	cuz we have 6 cats
12:34	the20year1	wow
12:34	nubbins`	i want to get a set of those stick-man family stickers for back windows
12:34	ThickAsThieves	so we have the bumper sticker family thing
12:35	nubbins`	but instead of me, pascale, and a cat
12:35	ThickAsThieves	Man, woman, six cats, in a row
12:35	nubbins`	i want like 30 girls surrounding a single cat
12:35	nubbins`	toothy grins and claw hands
12:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00540087 = 0.2808 BTC [-] {4}
12:36	ThickAsThieves	probly 1 man surrounded by 2 women would be funny enough
12:37	the20year1	how about 1 man and 5 women?
12:37	pLambert	http://xkcd.com/946/
12:37	ozbot	xkcd: Family Decals
12:37	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you mean like http://trilema.com/2012/orice-cuplu-functional/ ?
12:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1231 = 0.2462 BTC [-] {2}
12:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1389 BTC [+]
12:40	ThickAsThieves	well, no, but yes
12:41	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
12:41	mircea_popescu	mp "did you mean X ?" person "well, no, but yes".
12:41	mircea_popescu	i should wear a button with that.
12:42	ThickAsThieves	pretty much the state of current worldwide communication
12:43	pankkake	pLambert: people think I'm a horrible person when I state money as my number one reason to not have children. but… it's true
12:43	mircea_popescu	meanwhile back at the forum, http://media.tumblr.com/60a578384a3d0ff3fdcb971f271fae9d/tumblr_inline_mjkje3jJKw1qz4rgp.gif
12:44	ThickAsThieves	lol
12:44	Duffer1	haha
12:45	nubbins`	heh
12:45	pLambert	pankkake: funny, rich people view children as a liability, poor people view children as an asset
12:45	nubbins`	"maybe this will work"
12:45	nubbins`	"maybe if i take an extremely long rigid beam and swing it around my head, the far end will exceed the speed of light"
12:46	nubbins`	pLambert: "manufactured happiness" :D
12:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00540009 = 1.08 BTC [-] {6}
12:46	pLambert	maybe we could get a perpetual motion machine to apply torque to accelerate the beam?
12:46	nubbins`	http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html
12:46	ozbot	Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness | Video on TED.com
12:46	mircea_popescu	pLambert the view happens to be correct. the per-capita investment for poor man's children to replace poor man is negative. the per capita investment for rich man's children to replace rich man is enormous, and exponential.
12:47	mircea_popescu	this not even taking into account the big problem, which is, the required minimal capacity of the child to absorb investment
12:48	pLambert	could I, as a person in a rich society, just choose to spend little on my children and expect them to contribute?
12:48	mircea_popescu	sure.
12:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0054 = 0.54 BTC [-]
12:48	mircea_popescu	but from a game theoretic perspective, consider you've rolled an 3 point average character in a 1-20 stats game.
12:48	mircea_popescu	do you reroll or try to level ?
12:48	mircea_popescu	compare with rolling a pure 20 stat char. do you EVER re-roll that ?
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0054 = 0.27 BTC [-] {3}
12:49	antephialtic	sounds very Rawlsian. Pick the game you want to play based on the odds before you roll
12:49	mircea_popescu	you personally can do anything you please, and so can anyone else. but on aggregate people will play the game correctly.
12:49	benkay`	babe, on getting a new credit card: "why is this so commmplicated"
12:49	benkay`	me: "because its not bitcoing"
12:49	mircea_popescu	lmao
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.13888889 = 0.2778 BTC [-]
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-]
12:50	nubbins`	http://xkcd.com/1323/
12:50	ozbot	xkcd: Protocol
12:50	nubbins`	lelelel
12:50	benkay`	business partner on discovering our banking partners wants 5 dollars for every physical check: "why is this so stupid? why do banks suck so much?"
12:50	nubbins`	i should try this soon
12:50	benkay`	me: "because its not bitcoin"
12:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00093363 = 21.2868 BTC [-] {2}
12:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53987998 = 1.0798 BTC [+]
12:52	nubbins`	friend, paying for an item with cash at the store: "why is this so easy?"
12:52	nubbins`	me: "because it's not bitcoin"
12:52	ThickAsThieves	mircea_popescu Bitcoin Magazine has put out a bat signal for you: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9908/bitcoin-need-john-law/
12:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999332 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}
12:52	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves as usual, they do not know what the words they're saying mean.
12:53	nubbins`	pascale just referred to the part of the toilet where all the lid hinges are as "the choda"
12:53	pankkake	paying cash is hard for me, I can't do mental calculus
12:53	mircea_popescu	pankkake just hand over bills and watch the op's eyes
12:54	mircea_popescu	poker change protocol.
12:54	pankkake	I usually don't care
12:54	nubbins`	haha
12:54	nubbins`	eyes widen: "where's my change"
12:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-]
12:54	pankkake	if they think scamming me is worth me not coming if I discover it… so be it
12:54	mircea_popescu	i never actually bother doing the math untill i see they're cheating me
12:54	nubbins`	eyes narrow: "sorry, here's some more"
12:54	mircea_popescu	i've like a 98% success rate so far.
12:54	nubbins`	i watched a friend overpay for an item by ~$45 in colombia because he mixed up "five" and "fifty"
12:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0054 = 0.108 BTC [-]
12:55	nubbins`	"that vendor was really friendly"
12:56	ThickAsThieves	"Mortgage Rates Hit Three-Month Low"
12:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0054 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2}
12:57	ThickAsThieves	maybe theyll start paying us to buy houses
12:57	pankkake	I like that john law article!
12:57	mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/a0cac300cf0e64cde94acd7628294ece/tumblr_inline_mj8j8vJNxU1qz4rgp.gif
12:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13888889 BTC [-]
12:58	pankkake	she looks like dr greg
12:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 32.54126220 BTC to 695 shares, 4682196 satoshi per share
13:00	mircea_popescu	what's a dr greg
13:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11110004 BTC [-]
13:00	pankkake	http://crstat.com/imx/greg150x200.jpg
13:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.10312682 = 4.2282 BTC [-] {9}
13:01	nubbins`	haha
13:01	nubbins`	i remember dr greg
13:02	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: i was reading an article the other day saying that rates here in canada will start rising this year or next
13:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0906781 = 0.272 BTC [-] {3}
13:02	nubbins`	all a bit of a beat-off
13:02	mircea_popescu	rates everywhere will start to raise next year since 2008.
13:02	ThickAsThieves	as i see it here, housing is fucked for along time
13:03	mircea_popescu	problem is... no. canada economy can't support rates over 5% , and won't. possibly ever in the history of canada.
13:03	ThickAsThieves	in FL there are so many half-finished neighborhood developments
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11109999 BTC [+]
13:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00306 = 0.205 BTC [+]
13:03	ThickAsThieves	once things pick up theyll finish them, keeping the market down
13:03	Dimsler__	oh yeah right
13:03	Dimsler__	they'll finish
13:03	Dimsler__	half of the suburbs in america are going to become farms
13:04	Dimsler__	just like they did in detroit
13:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.20001 = 0.4 BTC [-]
13:04	Dimsler__	suburbia is completely unnatural city management and planning
13:04	mircea_popescu	why ? they can plant gardens
13:04	Dimsler__	it was a concept devised by the anglo-saxon to push the catholic and jew out of the city cores in the early 1900s
13:05	mircea_popescu	minimal changes can turn us suburbia into what europe is like.
13:05	Dimsler__	because they were losing voting power
13:05	Dimsler__	no they can't
13:05	mircea_popescu	specifically ?
13:05	ThickAsThieves	not so bad when every 'hood is right off the highway
13:05	Dimsler__	thats complete horseshit
13:05	Dimsler__	man have you ever been to america?
13:05	ThickAsThieves	here we go!
13:05	mircea_popescu	yes, i lived there. have you ?
13:05	Dimsler__	yes
13:05	Dimsler__	and i also lived in europe
13:05	mircea_popescu	cool. so then. specifically ?
13:05	Dimsler__	the population density makes it improbable
13:06	Dimsler__	in a north american city most peopel live 20km+ from the downtown center
13:06	mircea_popescu	i thought we were discussing the infrastructure not the population.
13:06	Dimsler__	of a single city
13:06	mircea_popescu	in europe most people live 20km+ from the downtowncenter too.
13:06	Dimsler__	while in europ 15km IS another city
13:06	Dimsler__	oh yeah where?
13:06	Dimsler__	because I've been everywhere
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [-]
13:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00307222 = 0.5438 BTC [+] {2}
13:06	mircea_popescu	well see., the fact that they call it "another city" is irrelevant
13:06	Dimsler__	from paris to kiev to bucharest
13:06	Dimsler__	no
13:06	mircea_popescu	you can call about 45 "othercities" in greater boston area
13:06	nubbins`	^
13:06	Dimsler__	the population displacement is massive
13:06	nubbins`	amalgamation
13:07	nubbins`	toronto used to be what, five cities?
13:07	nubbins`	then they all bled together
13:07	nubbins`	same with ottawa
13:07	nubbins`	same with vancouver
13:07	mircea_popescu	in fact, la is > size of slovenia. to the point i was making jokes about the TOWN of slovenia.
13:07	nubbins`	same with montreal
13:07	Dimsler__	toronto in the 1900s had a sign up in the core saying they didn't sell realestate to jews or fags
13:07	nubbins`	happening right now with edmonton, calgary
13:07	Dimsler__	so they where forced into urban sprawl
13:07	Dimsler__	the problem with that is it creates inefficiencies in infrastructure
13:07	nubbins`	^
13:07	mircea_popescu	i think your particular preoccupation with a political slant makes the discussion intractable to you.
13:07	Dimsler__	where an individal cannot move around without consume a fuck load of natural resources
13:07	mircea_popescu	forget the jewz bs.
13:07	pLambert	Where I live, a small town in the US, everybody lives within about 3 km of the downtown
13:08	Dimsler__	sure i don't believe in nation states
13:08	Dimsler__	assume every little suburb became its own little city
13:08	Dimsler__	how will they sustain there life?
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13:08	Dimsler__	there is no manufacturing, jobs are a 50-60km commute away
13:08	mircea_popescu	pLambert we're not even talking about flyover us, cause obviously that doesn't exist for the op :D
13:08	Dimsler__	who the fuck is funding the fuel here?
13:08	mircea_popescu	Dimsler__ you heard on the internet ?
13:08	Dimsler__	north america was built on cheap gasoline
13:08	mircea_popescu	i have teams working for me totalling well over 100 people
13:08	Dimsler__	the internet? wtf are you talking about
13:09	mircea_popescu	and srsly, i'd be surprised if the average distance between pairs is under 3k miles
13:09	Dimsler__	the internet is a den of theives pornographers and fraudsters
13:09	Dimsler__	there is no "money" to be made on the internet
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13:09	Dimsler__	for the average joe
13:09	mircea_popescu	ok i guess this has gone to its logical conclusion.
13:09	nubbins`	the average joe is a bum
13:09	Dimsler__	the logical conclusion is going to be an exodus from suburbia
13:09	nubbins`	the average joe works minimum wage
13:09	Dimsler__	back into the cities
13:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [-]
13:09	mircea_popescu	not happening.
13:09	Dimsler__	average white man US population is 44
13:09	nubbins`	happening some places
13:09	nubbins`	south korea, for example
13:09	mircea_popescu	the suburbia is getting (for a minimal cost) refurbished and that's that.
13:09	mircea_popescu	your joe can starve, nobody cares.
13:09	Dimsler__	the next place for older americans is next to a funeral home or a cemetary
13:10	Dimsler__	the average joe isn't going to just starve
13:10	pLambert	my parents live in suburban Detroit, I have noticed the area around them is becoming denser, over time the US cities will change to be more like small cities instead of one giant city
13:10	Dimsler__	hes goign to cause a shit storm
13:10	nubbins`	me: "what was the interest rate on your mortgage?"
13:10	Dimsler__	pLambert, oh yeah? with what manufacturing?
13:10	nubbins`	dad: "7.25% locked in for 35 years. a real bargain at the time, as rates soared to 18% at one point"
13:10	mircea_popescu	Dimsler__ poor people without resources or abilities do not cause shit storms.
13:10	livermore34	this sounds interesting: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1x3lp9/counterparty_xcp_a_new_platform_for_trustfree/
13:10	Dimsler__	and with what population growth?
13:10	livermore34	no more exchange shutdowns
13:10	livermore34	or exchange scams
13:10	nubbins`	imagine, 18% interest on a mortgage
13:11	pLambert	what about manufacturing? Detroit has factories spread throughout all the suburbs
13:11	Dimsler__	nubbins`, thats nothing new
13:11	mircea_popescu	livermore34 you've not really done your reading re that shitfest.
13:11	Dimsler__	thats 1990s america
13:11	nubbins`	wow
13:11	Dimsler__	1988-1990 had mortgages rates up to 16%
13:11	nubbins`	imagine
13:12	Dimsler__	mircea_popescu, man reference yourself hurricane katrina
13:12	Dimsler__	a little storm
13:12	Dimsler__	and even the national guard couldn't stop looting niggers
13:12	nubbins`	"even" the national guard, hey?
13:12	mircea_popescu	seriously, you got some stuff going on that's preventing you from thinking.
13:12	nubbins`	"even a bunch of bums who train one weekend a month couldn't keep an entire city under control"
13:13	nubbins`	shocking
13:13	Dimsler__	mircea_popescu, you have no idea bout how evil and arrogant the anglo-saxon actually is
13:13	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/Nex8eBy.gif
13:13	mircea_popescu	on the right, national guard.
13:13	mircea_popescu	Dimsler__ probably because i'm even more evil and arrogant.
13:13	nubbins`	heh
13:14	nubbins`	"the anglo-saxon"
13:14	nubbins`	"the jew"
13:14	nubbins`	"the nigger"
13:14	Dimsler__	well these are actual terms
13:14	ThickAsThieves	wow i go make some tea and come back some prime idiocy
13:14	nubbins`	"the dimsler"
13:14	punkman1	I propose "the dimsler"
13:14	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587218/plain/)
13:14	mircea_popescu	!b 2
13:14	asciilifeform	saxons.txt
13:14	nubbins`	^ hahahahah
13:14	punkman1	you got me nubbins
13:14	nubbins`	i'm quick
13:14	mircea_popescu	if a saxophone is an instrument,
13:14	mircea_popescu	what's a niggophone ?
13:14	nubbins`	and i have like ZERO LAG
13:15	Dimsler__	well what
13:15	ThickAsThieves	there's no money to be mad eon the internet guys, go home
13:15	Dimsler__	its a pure fact
13:15	Dimsler__	usury is caused by the jew
13:15	mircea_popescu	it's a puree of facts.
13:15	Dimsler__	compounded interest and usury cannot exist in a economic money system
13:15	mircea_popescu	is this tibby ?
13:15	nubbins`	lel
13:15	nubbins`	this is all rich
13:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12221 @ 0.0009345 = 11.4205 BTC [+]
13:15	nubbins`	you people are fucked
13:16	ThickAsThieves	tibby wouldnt lurk this long til now
13:16	Dimsler__	yeah you're all fucking genious'
13:16	Dimsler__	people are going to get internet jobs
13:16	Dimsler__	and live in some suburbian utopia
13:16	Dimsler__	thats a great idea
13:17	punkman1	yeah clicking ads for satoshis all day
13:17	Dimsler__	and have little farms in there backyard
13:17	Dimsler__	s
13:17	nubbins`	sounds nice so far
13:17	nubbins`	does it have to be in america tho? that place sucks
13:17	nubbins`	too many destitute and crazy people
13:17	ThickAsThieves	how hard is it to move to Canada?
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00305999 = 0.1958 BTC [-]
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.111 BTC [-]
13:17	pLambert	maybe the US would be better if we got rid of the FedGov?
13:17	nubbins`	easy as fuck
13:17	nubbins`	you can drive here from there
13:17	Dimsler__	all anglo countries blow
13:18	ThickAsThieves	lol
13:18	Dimsler__	you move to them you're going to get fucked up
13:18	Dimsler__	plain and simple
13:18	ThickAsThieves	but to be a citizen and live there
13:18	nubbins`	so where's your eden, Dimsler__ ?
13:18	Dimsler__	sealand
13:18	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: get a job and we'll let you stay here
13:18	ThickAsThieves	can i make my own job?
13:18	nubbins`	sure
13:18	nubbins`	i guess
13:18	ThickAsThieves	i dont like bosses
13:18	nubbins`	nobody does
13:18	ThickAsThieves	indeed
13:19	nubbins`	i've got a mexican roommate who just got her work visa a while ago
13:19	nubbins`	you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs
13:19	asciilifeform	if i recall you can buy canadian citizenship for $50k
13:19	asciilifeform	(usd)
13:19	nubbins`	but canada welcomes immigrants with open arms
13:19	Dimsler__	you'd be completely retarded
13:19	Dimsler__	to spend 50k
13:19	ThickAsThieves	I'll come apprentice for Pink Eye
13:19	Dimsler__	on a candian citizenship
13:19	nubbins`	sounds great, can't pay ya tho
13:20	ThickAsThieves	i can make logos, what more do you need
13:20	ThickAsThieves	we can put them on the internet
13:20	mircea_popescu	so i was just on the phone with this jewish chick i know, and she admitted that in israel the oreos are made out of dead anglosaxon babies.
13:20	nubbins`	the back deck needs shovelling
13:20	mircea_popescu	seems we;ve been wrong all along
13:20	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, same thing in canada
13:20	nubbins`	and our cadbury chocolate is made from real jersey cow milk
13:20	asciilifeform	the crunchy part is made from angles, the inner cream, distilled from saxons.
13:20	ThickAsThieves	i could pay the mexican to shovel it for you
13:21	nubbins`	i tell ya, it's the promised land
13:21	nubbins`	ThickAsThieves, she already has a job ;(
13:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hahaha
13:21	Dimsler__	well the jew takes advantage of the gentile
13:21	ThickAsThieves	jewlitan
13:21	Dimsler__	with his shylock
13:21	Dimsler__	has been like that for centuries
13:21	nubbins`	bitcoin removes the need for usury anyway
13:22	Dimsler__	well thats why i'm here
13:22	Dimsler__	lol
13:22	mircea_popescu	nubbins`> you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs << drive over, hire a lawyer to start a companby, have the company hire you.
13:22	mircea_popescu	problem solved.
13:22	nubbins`	oh, i thought you were here to babble nonsense
13:22	Dimsler__	you can't breed bitcoins
13:22	Dimsler__	like you can with fractional reserve currency
13:22	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: nod, would probably work
13:22	Dimsler__	so you can't lend them for profit
13:22	Dimsler__	usury is self eliminating in bitcoin
13:22	mircea_popescu	people lend btc for profit all the time what are you talkin'; about.
13:23	Dimsler__	you can't breed bitcoin
13:23	nubbins`	you can't breed Dimsler__
13:23	ThickAsThieves	?
13:23	Dimsler__	its not possible to compound interest on bitcoins
13:23	punkman1	you can definitely breed dimslers
13:23	Dimsler__	or create usury contracts
13:23	Dimsler__	they will eventually lead to defaults
13:23	Dimsler__	due to bitcoins deflationary nature
13:23	ThickAsThieves	Dimsler is more likely to breed than most of us
13:23	ThickAsThieves	stats say
13:23	nubbins`	hahahah
13:23	asciilifeform	on the other hand, if you can afford this maneuver in canada, you can afford it in a real country.
13:23	mircea_popescu	^
13:24	ThickAsThieves	which is realest?
13:24	punkman1	Sealand
13:24	Dimsler__	when default occur people will be more cautious about lending
13:24	Dimsler__	its plain and simple
13:24	nubbins`	one with its own sovereign? ;p
13:24	Dimsler__	it just isn't going to happen
13:24	Dimsler__	especially not on a massive instrituionalized scale like we have now
13:24	mircea_popescu	nubbins` romania is not a bad one, for as long as that lasts.
13:24	nubbins`	phun phact, ugly betty is the ruler of our fair land
13:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08603422 = 0.1721 BTC [-] {2}
13:24	Dimsler__	romania has us extradition
13:24	Dimsler__	so it already sucks
13:25	mircea_popescu	...
13:25	mircea_popescu	you kinda need to pick some criteria and stick to them
13:25	nubbins`	it's like you're being willfully obtuse
13:25	Dimsler__	i told you
13:25	Dimsler__	no US extradition or OECD compliance
13:25	Dimsler__	only countries worth living in
13:25	mircea_popescu	that makes a real country ?
13:25	mircea_popescu	so go live in columbia, what.
13:25	Dimsler__	that makes a free country
13:25	asciilifeform	russia. france.
13:25	nubbins`	colombia sucks to live in
13:25	mircea_popescu	france is a real country now. god help us.
13:25	asciilifeform	by his definition
13:26	nubbins`	yeah, russia
13:26	nubbins`	there ya go
13:26	mircea_popescu	im curious what his polonium defense is for free living in russia.
13:26	nubbins`	you'll fit right in
13:26	Dimsler__	russia is great to live in
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13:26	Dimsler__	whats the problem?
13:26	mircea_popescu	"sure, makea few billions and start buying english football clubs so maybe the kremlin won't off you"
13:26	nubbins`	"russia is great to live in"
13:26	Dimsler__	like even your boiler room
13:26	mircea_popescu	what's that blondy jounralistn's name again ?
13:27	Dimsler__	in romania you could be extradited straight to the US
13:27	Dimsler__	by some random entity
13:27	Dimsler__	vs in russia
13:27	Dimsler__	where nobody gives a fuck
13:27	ThickAsThieves	Anne Coulter?
13:27	mircea_popescu	wait wait. were we talking about me or about you ?
13:27	mircea_popescu	or do you just presume we're interchangeable because irc nicks
13:27	nubbins`	ann coulter lel
13:27	mircea_popescu	no dude
13:27	mircea_popescu	lipishinkaya or something
13:27	asciilifeform	politkovskaya
13:28	mircea_popescu	Anna Politkovskaya
13:28	mircea_popescu	yes.
13:28	asciilifeform	plugged for good cause, as far as i can see
13:28	Dimsler__	how?
13:28	mircea_popescu	good cause or no good cause...
13:28	asciilifeform	like that chinese idiot
13:28	mircea_popescu	and since we're doing this,
13:28	Dimsler__	who cares about a bunch of muslim rats
13:28	mircea_popescu	;;google Alexander Litvinenko
13:28	gribble	Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko>; Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko>; BBC News - Who was Alexander Litvinenko?: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19647226>
13:28	Dimsler__	they invaded europe
13:28	asciilifeform	who wrote about how his country needs 300 years of european colonization to become 'civilized'
13:28	Dimsler__	and fucked it up
13:28	Dimsler__	the weak nordic and geraminc
13:28	Dimsler__	let th emuslim rat in
13:28	asciilifeform	(won't hear of this in the anglo media, though)
13:28	Dimsler__	and he shit all over the place
13:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well it;s a fact or do you disagree ?
13:29	mircea_popescu	obviously "civilisation" as she means it isn't necessarily a goal
13:29	mircea_popescu	but if it were a goal, what else.
13:29	asciilifeform	the fact is, this kind of thing doesn't sit well with any ruler
13:29	Dimsler__	western europe
13:29	Dimsler__	has weak policies
13:29	mircea_popescu	certainly.
13:29	asciilifeform	chinese, european, aztec, whoever.
13:29	Dimsler__	for humanity
13:30	Dimsler__	and strict for economics
13:30	ThickAsThieves	how bout switzerland?
13:30	Dimsler__	thats why they are turning into socialized slums
13:30	mircea_popescu	and it'd be a pretty boneheaded thing to do anyway. russia has had enough cultural revolutionary great leaps forward to last it five centuries.
13:30	Dimsler__	swtzerland doesn't hand out citizenship
13:30	Dimsler__	and has ahigh productivity rate
13:31	Dimsler__	like you go to germany and like 1/4 is a filthy fucking turk
13:31	Dimsler__	like you can't buy a used car without the odometer rolled back
13:31	nubbins`	have to admit, i wonder where dimsler is from and what he looks like
13:31	ThickAsThieves	jersey
13:31	Dimsler__	eastern european, western educated, lived everywhere
13:31	Dimsler__	thats aobut all you need to know
13:32	pankkake	like the would not bang guy
13:32	nubbins`	we covered all i needed to know already
13:32	nubbins`	that was just for curiosity
13:32	nubbins`	pankkake, +1 :(
13:32	nubbins`	he seems to be a wizard
13:33	Dimsler__	fact is, any country with liberal moral values and strict financials where usury is rampant
13:33	Dimsler__	is going to suck
13:33	Dimsler__	and the people are going to be clueless and retarded
13:33	Dimsler__	with a bad case of stockholm syndrome
13:34	nubbins`	as opposed to russia where everything is great
13:34	nubbins`	and all are smart
13:34	Dimsler__	lol russia is not a fucking utopia
13:34	nubbins`	wait, i thought it was at the top of your list?
13:34	asciilifeform	last i checked, usury is in perfect health in russia.
13:34	Dimsler__	did i fucking name a country?
13:35	nubbins`	yes
13:35	nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482517
13:35	nubbins`	try to keep up
13:35	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
13:35	nubbins`	lel
13:35	pLambert	What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia?
13:36	nubbins`	you can't even keep track of all the things you're mad at, can you?
13:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
13:36	nubbins`	pLambert: loose financials, conservative values
13:36	nubbins`	no extradition to USA
13:36	nubbins`	no OECD compliance
13:36	nubbins`	by dimmy's criteria, somalia is the promised land
13:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1212 @ 0.00084009 = 1.0182 BTC [+] {3}
13:37	nubbins`	hell, there are hardly even any anglos or jews there!
13:37	pLambert	but there might be too many Muslims, I think Dimmy said those are bad too?
13:38	nubbins`	hmm yes that is true
13:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5100751 = 2.0403 BTC [-] {4}
13:38	nubbins`	it's cool tho if you just stay inside
13:38	pLambert	How about Antacrtica?
13:38	nubbins`	no manufacturing
13:38	pLambert	is that a criteria now too?
13:39	nubbins`	i think it always was
13:39	nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482323
13:39	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
13:39	pLambert	Just build your own factory?
13:39	nubbins`	nah then transport is the problem
13:39	nubbins`	too bad you can't make money on the internet
13:39	nubbins`	otherwise it'd be perfect
13:39	asciilifeform	'in my country there's a problem, and that problem is transport...'
13:39	nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482333
13:39	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
13:40	nubbins`	it's almost like dimmy just runs the mouth without making any lucid points
13:40	Dimsler__	lol
13:40	Dimsler__	you guys are seirously stupid
13:40	nubbins`	if you're smart, i'm ok with being stupid
13:41	mircea_popescu	<pLambert> What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia? <<< they used to be but then kako got snowed in.
13:41	asciilifeform	Dimsler__: if you'd like to live in New York circa 1890, you will have to build it. tears have never built anything.
13:42	nubbins`	sullen pouty sooky-bum complaining about all he witnesses yet adding nothing of value to anyone or anything
13:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00084065 = 0.1261 BTC [+]
13:42	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you clearly don't understand the internet.
13:42	nubbins`	clearly
13:42	mircea_popescu	everclearly.
13:43	nubbins`	"you guys are seirously stupid" should be on the cover of the -assets book
13:44	mircea_popescu	you have no idea what an assets book entails.
13:44	mircea_popescu	my logs are > 50mb and i only log when i'm on
13:44	nubbins`	do you even read those logs? ;(
13:45	nubbins`	choice quotes accompanied by ASCII porn
13:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00084066 = 0.2522 BTC [+]
13:45	nubbins`	it kind of lost steam around the point that we realized there aren't any ASCII artists in here
13:45	asciilifeform	emacs, 'artist mode'
13:45	nubbins`	too large
13:45	nubbins`	gotta create by hand
13:45	asciilifeform	http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/01/drawing-pictures.html
13:45	ozbot	emacs-fu: drawing pictures
13:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00084075 = 0.3363 BTC [+] {2}
13:46	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i grep tehm
13:46	nubbins`	ah, okay
13:46	nubbins`	that might actually work
13:46	nubbins`	i can't be fucked to draw 50 ascii porn shots tho
13:47	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdca8l9VJe1qdlh1io1_400.gif << this should be on the cover of the assets book
13:47	mircea_popescu	representing the noobie de-lurking
13:48	nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#480603
13:48	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
13:48	nubbins`	heh, i like that
13:49	KRS-	heh
13:49	nubbins`	could even make it a periodical
13:49	punkman1	hah http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/file-your-taxes-before-the-fraudsters-do/
13:49	nubbins`	"-assets quarterly"
13:49	nubbins`	-AQ for short
13:49	nubbins`	-aQ i guess
13:50	KRS-One	Improve your I.Q. with aQ.
13:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1682 BTC [+]
13:50	mircea_popescu	more iq with the aq
13:50	mircea_popescu	According to a 2013 report from the Treasury Inspector General’s office, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) issued nearly $4 billion in bogus tax refunds in 2012. The money largely was sent to people who stole Social Security numbers and other information on U.S. citizens, and then filed fraudulent tax returns on those individuals claiming a large refund but at a different address.
13:51	mircea_popescu	dude the fiat system works so well, i have no idea why all these people talk about bitcoin threats and whatnot
13:57	nubbins`	hmm
13:57	nubbins`	fuck this, i've got work to do!
14:03	mircea_popescu	http://www.ohmagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/please-wait-i-need-to-play-in-the-puddle.gif
14:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
14:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04777776 = 0.2389 BTC [-]
14:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.08811427 = 0.6168 BTC [+] {5}
14:20	pankkake	"difficulty" : 62719.43923596
14:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
14:34	ThickAsThieves	thats Altcoin?
14:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.000825 = 0.2063 BTC [-] {3}
14:41	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: I've got my Altcoin shill piece in http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/04/memes-go-meta-altcoin-unveiled-this-past-weekend/
14:43	jurov	how much for it?
14:44	davout	hello
14:44	jurov	hi
14:44	jurov	eur => x.eur transfers working already?
14:45	davout	you want moar?
14:45	jurov	not atm, just curious if you finished it
14:45	BingoBoingo	jurov: Twas gratis
14:46	davout	yep
14:49	jurov	i don't see any interface.. one needs to ask you over email or irc?
14:49	davout	yes, it works but it isn't automated
14:57	jurov	k
15:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09979999 = 0.1996 BTC [-] {2}
15:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
15:05	mircea_popescu	;;later tell herbijudlestoids re the "greater point", http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/
15:05	gribble	The operation succeeded.
15:07	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "other, less meta altcoins" you mean "other, less alt metacoins" or "same, less coin metaalts" ?
15:07	mircea_popescu	because it could be taken in any number of ways
15:07	BingoBoingo	Because meta
15:07	BingoBoingo	Reader has to decide
15:08	BingoBoingo	Shit happen when I write sober
15:08	Asa9	lol
15:09	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMK7zUEeNGI
15:10	ozbot	Seinfeld: Conrad, Connie or Con - YouTube
15:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00301897 = 2.4152 BTC [-] {5}
15:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00532245 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {7}
15:11	mircea_popescu	wow that point re metaphysics is actually incredibly strong
15:11	mircea_popescu	it just gave me one of those inception moments.
15:11	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what schooling did you do ?
15:13	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Four years of kinds mushed together aimless undergrad mixing drinking, philosophy, economics and math, then two years of philosophy grad school I quit, the two years of Library graduate school with an absofuckinglutely worthless degree, followed by discovering Oh, that bitcoin stuff is money.
15:13	mircea_popescu	where ?
15:15	BingoBoingo	Undergrad was indescriminate budget small liberal arts college (Socially Liberal Methodist variety). Philosophy was at Southern Illinois University Carbondale.
15:15	mircea_popescu	so i gather you're the poster child of the confused generation.
15:15	BingoBoingo	Definitely.
15:16	assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1587365/plain/)
15:16	mircea_popescu	!b 2
15:16	mircea_popescu	no, seriously...
15:16	mircea_popescu	#bitcoin cures, ladies and gents
15:16	deadweasel	amen
15:16	mircea_popescu	touch the screen now. heal! HEAL!
15:16	mircea_popescu	i think we packed enough meta in there to mine at least a dozen blocks.
15:17	ThickAsThieves	did somebody say metaphysics?
15:17	ThickAsThieves	BingoBoingo, thanks for the article!
15:17	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: You are very welcome.
15:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+]
15:18	BingoBoingo	That one hasn't made it to Slashdot though. Maybe if someone else with a Slashot account submits it there around 07:00 UTC and then post the link to the submission here Altcoin can make Slashdot.
15:19	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Bitcoin indeed cures.
15:21	BingoBoingo	Speaking of Physics, Platos cave, old meme. Descartes Meditations Meme. Maimonides God can only be defined in the negative, meme. Aristotle's powerpoint on the word "is" though still generates papers.
15:22	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema
15:22	gribble	Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>; Trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilemma>; Münchhausen trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_trilemma>
15:22	mircea_popescu	that sweet day when a misspelling takes over a) the correct spelling ; b) wikipedia
15:23	asciilifeform	i thought the single 'm' was the Ro. spelling.
15:23	mircea_popescu	it is.
15:24	mircea_popescu	i think in googleterms "misspelling" is actually less of a stretch than "obscure language word"
15:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51997563 = 1.04 BTC [+]
15:25	BingoBoingo	In Google Terms loosing Hearn was a tragedy.
15:25	BingoBoingo	Hearn was perfect for Google
15:26	mircea_popescu	did he actually do anything while there ?
15:26	mircea_popescu	the narrative i heard is more along the lines of "oh, yet another one of the schmucks that spend some time here doing nothing to be able to put google on their cv"
15:27	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Dunno if he did. Just seems the way he is wanting to ruin BTC fall inline with the ways Google wants to ruin TCP
15:27	mircea_popescu	i doubt google wants anything anymore per se
15:27	mircea_popescu	other than FOOOOODDDD
15:27	BingoBoingo	Lol
15:28	BingoBoingo	Looks like I missed Dimsler__ but it seems I can recognize his ideal state: West Virginia.
15:28	pankkake	you mean brainssss?
15:30	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: colleague of mine just moved there. now he's getting 100K/sec.
15:31	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well they also lack suburbs, have manufactering (of prisons), aren't really inside the US (Sentences to the prisons there are practically exile), and the people are awfully friendly if you don't try to get into any of their rackets.
15:34	mircea_popescu	pankkake after they get big enough and public enough, no force in the world can keep a corporation alligned to its long term interest.
15:34	mircea_popescu	this i suspect is the eventual fate of mpoe too
15:34	mircea_popescu	all that remains is a dull ache for more revenue
15:36	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So roughly 5 years after you cede the controlling interest, MPOE seats go down to tens of Satoshis?
15:37	Duffer1	mpoe bot will be self aware, buy it's freedom
15:38	BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Maybe it tried that yesterday...
15:38	pankkake	it won't be satoshis, it will be doges
15:38	asciilifeform	slavecoins.
15:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1539 BTC [+]
15:39	BingoBoingo	pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp
15:40	pankkake	I came up with a new altcoin idea. FuckCoin. so you can give a FUCK
15:41	pankkake	btw: http://bitbet.us/bet/733/doge-still-woofing-on-april-fools-day/
15:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102245 = 0.2045 BTC [+] {2}
15:42	BingoBoingo	I have a cold storage address that starts as 1fuck (all lowercase) and lacking firstbits rights. Barely anything there. Doubt I'll awaken it until Million Dollar BTC (Much happier last chapter to that film than Million Dollar Baby).
15:43	mircea_popescu	<BingoBoingo> pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp <<
15:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2166 @ 0.00011653 = 0.2524 BTC [-] {8}
15:44	pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/9adVwOX.jpg
15:44	BingoBoingo	I mean there isn't an AllYourBaseCoin or a BoxxyCoin, the reason is that time is unkind to memes
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
15:46	Duffer1	still no substitute for audrey :(
15:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04520001 = 0.1808 BTC [-]
15:46	BingoBoingo	pankkake: With maybe exception for Marie and Indira most on that list can get the ???
15:46	BingoBoingo	I mean Di barely made it into the 90's
15:47	BingoBoingo	Since I'm not all that anon anyways (Thank you metaNSA) I'll throw out the undergrad school http://www.mckendree.edu/
15:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.0008408 = 0.1539 BTC [+]
15:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1353 @ 0.00301 = 4.0725 BTC [-]
15:49	pankkake	at least the whites are at the top
15:50	dub	I think pankkake is on to something
15:50	dub	we beed a way to account for fucks given
15:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000841 = 0.1682 BTC [+]
15:50	dub	a fuckchain secured by proof of fuck is appropriate
15:51	BingoBoingo	dub: Fetus sealed in lucite as proof of work?
15:52	ThickAsThieves	rumplestiltscoin
15:52	pankkake	at least "orphaned block" will mean something
15:52	BingoBoingo	LOL
15:53	mircea_popescu	aha
15:53	mircea_popescu	+j
15:53	mircea_popescu	jesus
15:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 600 @ 0.00084188 = 0.5051 BTC [+]
15:54	mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mehas5sRji1raprkq.gif
15:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 125 @ 0.00084199 = 0.1052 BTC [+]
15:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 375 @ 0.00084199 = 0.3157 BTC [+]
15:56	pankkake	http://totoz.eu/img/shiba_coincoin
15:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00529952 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {5}
16:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1969 @ 0.00301 = 5.9267 BTC [-]
16:09	ThickAsThieves	"Hrm... what will we call fractions of an ATC? How about "altoshi"?"
16:10	ThickAsThieves	"Altoids."
16:10	ThickAsThieves	"Paradimes?"
16:10	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Xenos
16:10	ThickAsThieves	if i could, i'd change the source to not have decimals
16:10	ThickAsThieves	useless
16:11	benkay	altoids lol
16:11	ThickAsThieves	maybe thatll be the next coin
16:11	ThickAsThieves	Paradime
16:11	ThickAsThieves	no decimals
16:12	ThickAsThieves	"the only alternative to Altcoin"
16:12	mircea_popescu	altoids lol
16:13	mircea_popescu	code has no decimals as it is.
16:13	ThickAsThieves	really?
16:13	ThickAsThieves	so bitcoin didnt have it when it started?
16:14	FabianB	satoshi
16:14	FabianB	calculating money should never be done with decimals
16:14	ThickAsThieves	who the hell put it in there?
16:14	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: BTC values are all ints where 1 satoshi == 1
16:14	pankkake	decimals are fine, floats are not :)
16:15	deadweasel	metas?
16:15	FabianB	yeah
16:15	ThickAsThieves	people are nuts if they think people will start talking in ubtc and mbtc and shit
16:16	pankkake	the French eventually switched to New Francs
16:16	pankkake	of course, it was in the other direction
16:16	BingoBoingo	This shit should be like BTC 101, All BTC values are ints built from 1 satoshi == 1. How to configure a miner shouldn't even exist until BTC 320.
16:17	ThickAsThieves	so why is it called bitcoin
16:17	ThickAsThieves	and not Satoshi
16:17	Namworld	Would anyone be interested in loaning me 290 BTC @ 10% per year, with collateral?
16:18	ThickAsThieves	doesnt that kinda request come with more info usually?
16:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0998 = 0.1996 BTC [-]
16:18	BingoBoingo	Namworld: Sure. Application consists of a video of you self performing a lung lobectomy and videotaping it. Poor form when applying sutures is grounds for denial.
16:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [-]
16:22	Namworld	I'll self-perform a lung lobectomy on YOU and videotape it. (You didn't say on "you performing on yourself" but "you self perform", which means I only have to perform it myself, not on myself)
16:23	BingoBoingo	Namworld: And we get back to meta. Isn't Altcoin awesome?
16:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]
16:24	asciilifeform	sepukkucoin.
16:24	davout	!ticker m ^oix
16:24	assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 105.56529382 / 105.38554991 (1211 shares, 27.25 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
16:25	davout	mircea_popescu: shouldn't the oix displayed be divided by the lot size?
16:25	davout	for clarity
16:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]
16:26	FabianB	looks like stable price period will continue
16:26	Namworld	Well loaning BTC has definitly gotten impossible.
16:26	BingoBoingo	I wonder what GangnamCoin would be trading at today if it was released last year?
16:26	ThickAsThieves	that oix doesnt seem right
16:27	ThickAsThieves	wheres all the volume from yesterday
16:27	davout	it takes only sales into account
16:27	ThickAsThieves	doe sthat make sense?
16:27	mircea_popescu	davout i guess it should, but this clarity thing...
16:27	davout	the bot bought the puts yesterday
16:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]
16:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]
16:28	Namworld	Please inquire, assuming anyone has the capital at all.
16:29	davout	lol
16:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1045 BTC [+]
16:33	davout	ThickAsThieves: i guess taking into account purchases by the market maker bot mixes the bot's opinion into the OIX, which doesn't seem to be desired
16:34	ThickAsThieves	i dunno about that
16:34	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431178977219072001
16:34	ozbot	Twitter / BBoingo: @etploshay @CathyReisenwitz ...
16:34	ThickAsThieves	it was the seller that desired to sell
16:34	ThickAsThieves	at whatever price
16:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00093513 = 11.6424 BTC [+] {2}
16:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1095 BTC [+]
16:38	ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/search?q=%23whoisneo&src=hash
16:38	ozbot	Twitter / Search - #whoisneo
16:39	lippoper	yes! ozbot!
16:39	lippoper	.bait me
16:39	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/45db538e1e1c5c54e0a1037421ce444d/tumblr_mfy6lp4qgz1rhwvw0o1_500.jpg
16:42	mircea_popescu	http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecrrr8ViX1raprkq.gif
16:45	davout	the jimmothy thread converted to .gif ?
16:46	mircea_popescu	lol
16:46	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/HzrEB.gif
16:47	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/7xpOF.gif << and this'd be everyone ELSE in that thread.
16:49	davout	you're making me want to watch videos of these crazy japanese dudes doing irl video fx
16:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0452 = 0.2712 BTC [-] {2}
16:50	davout	fuck, this makes zero sense
16:50	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/4pGbC.jpg
16:50	davout	yeah, pretty much
16:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
16:55	jurov	http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nbc-all-visitors-sochi-olympics-immediately-hacked_778718.html heh
16:55	ozbot	NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked | The Weekly Standard
16:55	mircea_popescu	jurov did you see the one with the pillows ?
16:55	jurov	which? hotel pillows?
16:55	jurov	perhaps not
16:55	davout	jurov: sounds like a headline the onion would make
16:56	mircea_popescu	;;google sochi out of pillows athletes
16:56	gribble	Sochi Is Running Out of Pillows - Vocativ: <http://www.vocativ.com/02-2014/sochi-running-pillows/>; Sochi venues turning into Olympic-style nightmares « Hot Air: <http://hotair.com/archives/2014/02/05/sochi-venues-turning-into-olympic-style-nightmares/>; From Sochi, journalists report Winter Olympics woes: poor conditions: <http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics/media- (1 more message)
16:56	jurov	ah that
16:56	mircea_popescu	"They test the system in the report -- and are, as one might expect, immediately hacked the moment the test computer connects with the Russian network."
16:57	mircea_popescu	herpderp russian guys are bad says nsa
16:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011311 = 0.1131 BTC [-] {4}
16:57	deadweasel	""
16:58	deadweasel	oops, "nine media hotels"
16:58	deadweasel	how fucking useless
16:59	deadweasel	send one media team, them be hacked for free streaming olympics!
17:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20389 @ 0.00093076 = 18.9773 BTC [-] {2}
17:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]
17:06	BingoBoingo	Test system should try OpenBSD on SPARC
17:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
17:08	ThickAsThieves	http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html
17:08	ozbot	Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org
17:09	ThickAsThieves	"Update: The charts below have temporarily gone flat. That's not a bug -- I'm still getting fresh data."
17:09	ThickAsThieves	"The Mt.Gox IRC support channel tells me this flatness is a result of their hot wallet currently being empty. Most users who try to withdraw now get an "invalid address" error, meaning the withdrawal attempt fails before a transaction is created that can get stuck."
17:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.1937 BTC [-]
17:10	mircea_popescu	derp
17:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.109 = 0.436 BTC [-]
17:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+]
17:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51997563 = 2.5999 BTC [+]
17:14	davout	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6DGs3qjRwQ
17:18	jurov	as i said, they were inspired by bitfunder/weexchange
17:18	jurov	includein the very error message
17:18	jurov	*including
17:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00518006 = 2.59 BTC [+] {11}
17:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00518002 = 0.2279 BTC [-]
17:20	pLambert	So MtGox is out of money now? Who uses them still?
17:21	ThickAsThieves	the guy that sold all those puts
17:22	benkay	el oh el
17:22	mircea_popescu	pLambert anyone who missed all those warnings since april ?
17:22	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt.
17:23	mircea_popescu	every 80 bux in the price is like a million dollars due to all the magnificent leverage of options.
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17:24	pLambert	people keep seeing "I can't get my money out of MtGox", but they think the problem is just going to go away and fix itself?
17:24	benkay	yes.
17:24	ThickAsThieves	mircea maybe we need to send you back to the forum to learn from MPOE-PR
17:24	benkay	i am currently hammering this point home in the portland bitcoin channel.
17:24	benkay	<benkay> evaluation criteria: management teams, past performance
17:24	benkay	<benkay> the gox mgmt team has a history of incompetence
17:24	benkay	<benkay> the gox operation as a history of completely fucking it up
17:24	benkay	<benkay> has* [14:05]
17:24	benkay	<benkay> and also yes, i put a huge risk premium on anything having to do with
17:24	benkay	btc. anyone with whom i'm going to put btc on deposit must have a
17:25	benkay	completely stellar and unsmirched record.
17:25	benkay	<benkay> coins will drift out of wallets operated by people who do not adhere
17:25	benkay	to this philosophy.
17:25	pLambert	so does mtgox not have any bitcoins, or do they just not have any in their hot wallet?
17:26	benkay	question of the day.
17:26	BingoBoingo	Is there an Ohio BTC channel? I need to remind them that they live in a bubbling shitpit and their rivers are flamable.
17:26	benkay	second question of the day: how long does it take them to move weight into their hot wallet?
17:26	BingoBoingo	pLambert: They never had enough. Not since 2010 by my count.
17:26	benkay	third question of the day: can they survive a bank run?
17:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]
17:27	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves whassat ?
17:27	BingoBoingo	benkay: They've already died in fiat bankruns. Dunno how BTC bank runs can make gox more dead.
17:27	punkman	when did they start running fractional reserve anyway?
17:27	pLambert	bank run? if there is no bitcoin they just stop allowing withdrawals
17:27	BingoBoingo	punkman: They went fractional in 2010 after their first hack.
17:27	ThickAsThieves	well let's be absurd about it: Current Avg Withdrawal * Current Stuck Transactions = 41662.5btc
17:27	mircea_popescu	punkman it's unclear but it was announced in april 2013.
17:28	pLambert	and how many millions were seized by the US through dwolla?
17:28	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves whassat ? <<< to learn how to hold onto your bitcoins
17:28	ThickAsThieves	:)
17:28	mircea_popescu	wait what'd i do ?!
17:28	ThickAsThieves	<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt.
17:28	punkman	guess when they lost millions to Dwolla might have been a good time
17:28	mircea_popescu	if mtgox goes to shit puts hurt mpoebot makes dough
17:28	mircea_popescu	punkman the dwolla thing sunk tradehill, but mtgox was not seriously affected then.
17:29	mircea_popescu	in fact i still suspect the dwolla thing was a backroom deal between the two to strangle competition.
17:29	ThickAsThieves	you mean if gox goes to shit by not allowing bitcoin exits, i mean by not allowing fiat exits
17:29	ThickAsThieves	right?
17:29	davout	mircea_popescu: if mtgox goes down you think btc goes down too?
17:29	mircea_popescu	yes.
17:29	pLambert	I think the mtgoox has shrunk enough that if they close it will not destroy the exchange rate
17:29	mircea_popescu	davout even if it only goes down a little through mtgox being taken out of the basket.
17:29	pLambert	and people have been pricing in the expected collapse of mtgox for almost a year now
17:29	mircea_popescu	currently they're adding a few %s to the avg.
17:30	davout	mircea_popescu: oic
17:30	mircea_popescu	pLambert this is more of a nominalist thing than anything. bitcoin's long term prospects w/o mtgox are way better than with it.
17:30	ThickAsThieves	I read the $5m were seized from Gox related to silk road
17:30	ThickAsThieves	they probly let those dollars get spent on btc
17:30	mircea_popescu	in fact, the destruction of the original scumfest (the people gorupped around blf, bitcoinica, mtgox, the foundation) is the best thing that can happen for btc.
17:31	mircea_popescu	and well... chip chip.
17:31	pLambert	mircea_popescu: if mtgox had suddenly shut down when they had 90% of the market the price would tank, now the price might slip a bit but not much
17:31	mircea_popescu	they keep trying comebacks, but they aren't getting anywhere with them. meanwhile they bleed marketshare on good days, and they get taken out wholesale now and again.
17:32	BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Those GOx seizures were pre-TSR bust
17:32	punkman	they don't even make the top 5 in volume most days
17:32	ThickAsThieves	I know
17:32	davout	from the wiki in 2015: "victim of its own success mtgox will went back to trading magic the gathering cards in summer 2014"
17:32	ThickAsThieves	but recently revealed more info
17:33	ThickAsThieves	i swear i read somewhere that SR was actually part of it
17:33	ThickAsThieves	just that it couldnt be announced back then
17:33	ThickAsThieves	could also be what fucked up the Coinlab thing
17:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1099 = 0.3297 BTC [+]
17:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+]
17:34	ThickAsThieves	other than it involving coinlab...
17:35	mircea_popescu	lol. right. coinlab needed so much help.
17:36	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449932.0 << believe it or not, someone still says "information superhighway". not ironically.
17:36	ozbot	Petition-LETTER to regulator Ben Lawsky of NY "The World is Watching on Bitcoin"
17:38	ThickAsThieves	i suspect Lawsky doesnt need to be sent a letter
17:38	jurov	;;bc,stats
17:38	gribble	Current Blocks: 284354 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1917 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2828879503.75 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.91465
17:39	mircea_popescu	yeah, probably the head of the boss of whatever mob family paid for his position would work better.
17:50	ThickAsThieves	http://investor-relations.thestreet.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=823490
17:50	ozbot	New Survey: 79% Of Consumers Would Never Consider Using Alternative Currency Like Bitcoin (NASDAQ:TS
17:50	mircea_popescu	derp.
17:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
17:52	mircea_popescu	im sorry i don't have a handy link to the 1905 study asking the population of manchester if they'd ever fly across the atlantic in a plane.
17:54	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 100 @ 0.02383907 = 2.3839 BTC [-]
17:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10918 = 0.5459 BTC [+] {2}
17:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [+]
17:56	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1061 @ 0.001773 = 1.8812 BTC [+]
17:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+]
17:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3}
17:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.09966666 = 0.299 BTC [-] {2}
17:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
18:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
18:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2070 @ 0.000121 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}
18:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.3615 BTC [-]
18:05	btc-monkey	Damn Gox going down hard
18:05	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
18:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 930 @ 0.00012 = 0.1116 BTC [-]
18:05	gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 908.79667, Best ask: 909.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.20333, Last trade: 905.0, 24 hour volume: 4942.50335387, 24 hour low: 900.0, 24 hour high: 939.93, 24 hour vwap: 917.68982
18:05	assbot	123!
18:05	ThickAsThieves	i suppose its better to have goxcash than goxcoins
18:05	mircea_popescu	o shit
18:06	mircea_popescu	one doesn't preclude the other and now you've jinxed it haven't you
18:06	mircea_popescu	karpeles will be making wafflecoin this year
18:06	deadweasel	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers
18:06	ozbot	EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers | Electronic Frontier Fo
18:06	jurov	meanwhile in slovenia, bitstamp goes overboard with doxing
18:06	ThickAsThieves	convert all your gox bitcoins to BounceyBallCoins!
18:06	jurov	i heard compalints they have very creepy questions
18:07	jurov	and want to reverify documents
18:07	mircea_popescu	someone should just cut the gordian knot already and do SiPexchange.
18:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
18:07	mircea_popescu	they send you a pen, you film yourself fucking the pen and send the thing over
18:07	BingoBoingo	I'm telling you gox could say Gox BTC == 10^8 Gox USD tomorrow, because all is play money
18:07	mircea_popescu	you may now trade.
18:08	ThickAsThieves	it's gonna be a bloody evening
18:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
18:08	mircea_popescu	But in December, the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs issued a subpoena to Rubin, requesting he turn over Tidbit's past and current source code, as well as other documents and agreements with any third parties. It also issued 27 interrogatories -- formal written questions -- requesting additional documents and ordering Rubin to turn over information like the names and identities of all Bitcoin wallet addresses a
18:08	mircea_popescu	ssociated with Tidbit, a list of all websites running Tidbit's code and the name of anybody whose computer mined for Bitcoins through the use of Tidbit, although Tidbit's code was not configured to mine for Bitcoins.
18:09	mircea_popescu	dude srsly ? how is the us legal system still a thing ?
18:09	mircea_popescu	the only reasonable answer to this sort of crap being "get fucked"
18:09	mircea_popescu	what business sends over its book just because someone wants to see it ?!
18:09	herbijudlestoids	morning folks :)
18:10	mircea_popescu	ello
18:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://nj.gov/oag/newsreleases13/pr20131119a.html << there you go, esports botnet.
18:11	mircea_popescu	total take ? why, like 3500 bucks.
18:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
18:12	herbijudlestoids	so last night i was thinking of forking tails, and ripping out tor and filling it with i2p app goodness
18:13	herbijudlestoids	because right now the latest tails is one version behind on i2p
18:13	DrSteveBrule	hello everyone :)
18:13	herbijudlestoids	but i found this http://www.ipredia.org/ ...unfortunately also one version behind
18:13	mircea_popescu	are you so certain of i2p strength ?
18:14	herbijudlestoids	nope, if i was, i wouldnt bother with OTR
18:14	mircea_popescu	so then why bother.
18:14	mircea_popescu	tho an actually secure replacement for the web would be a decent use of bitcoin resources.
18:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 83 @ 0.00325 = 0.2698 BTC [+]
18:14	mircea_popescu	not even compatible, mind you. pick port 90 and create a wholly and completely different thing.
18:15	mircea_popescu	ideally based on a stateful protocol.
18:15	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: there was a guy very much like satoshi who came up with iip/i2p originally....very smart guy, i remember i used to hang on the #iip chatroom inside iip back when i was a kid
18:15	herbijudlestoids	its pretty secure
18:15	herbijudlestoids	but i cant really be sure
18:15	mircea_popescu	pretty secure crypto is like reasonably healthy whore.
18:16	herbijudlestoids	i view it as like...sort of like a 'actually secure replacement for the s/web/internet' ...kind of like a public VPN that anyone can piss in
18:17	herbijudlestoids	the problem with i2p is the problem with all p2p networks
18:17	mircea_popescu	nah, you want an adressing scheme where the routing of packets depends on the destination's identity.
18:18	mircea_popescu	that came out stupid.
18:18	mircea_popescu	you want an adressing scheme where the reading of packets depends on the destination's identity.
18:18	mircea_popescu	some sort of "gpg encrypted to ip"
18:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
18:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250021 BTC [-]
18:18	mircea_popescu	if you're not X the packet's gibberish
18:19	mircea_popescu	makes all route nodes unable to filter traffic, plain and simple.
18:19	mircea_popescu	built-in net neutrality.
18:20	herbijudlestoids	explain
18:20	mircea_popescu	you familiar with gpg right ?
18:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 390 @ 0.00304796 = 1.1887 BTC [+] {3}
18:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 87 @ 0.00328189 = 0.2855 BTC [+]
18:21	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: yes, just wanting to see if what youre after is matched by https://geti2p.net/en/docs/how/garlic-routing
18:21	mircea_popescu	well, if i give you a list of gpg messages encrypted to a bunch of my friend's keys
18:21	mircea_popescu	all you can do is deliver them or not deliver them
18:21	mircea_popescu	you can't possibly deliver all those about apples, but keep all those about fish
18:23	mircea_popescu	meh, all this onion/garlic bs.
18:23	mircea_popescu	i am not at all interested in keeping secret my identity.
18:23	mircea_popescu	i am strictly interested in keeping secret the messages passed back and forth.
18:23	herbijudlestoids	well that seems a bit odd
18:23	mircea_popescu	tbh it seems to me all the enthusiasm of the darknet people is woefully misdirected.
18:23	herbijudlestoids	so you hold no concern over the security of your metadata?
18:23	mircea_popescu	none.
18:24	mircea_popescu	and i think mixing together securitization of data and of metadata is an epic mistake.
18:24	mircea_popescu	these are wildly divergent usecases.
18:24	mircea_popescu	moreover, it's like trying to make a chowchow swim.
18:25	mircea_popescu	you're better served by a dry chow chow and an otter.
18:26	herbijudlestoids	well i personally am not mixing them lol
18:26	mircea_popescu	see ?
18:26	mircea_popescu	nobody sane is mixing them
18:26	mircea_popescu	except the kids doing stuff like onions, garlic and other vegetables.
18:26	herbijudlestoids	do you feel like i2p at least makes a reasonable tool for metadata securitization, to use your term?
18:26	mircea_popescu	someone they have in their wot should tell them this is prime rib of stupid. separate these.
18:27	mircea_popescu	don't use that term lol, it's a direct pastiche from romanian and in english it's a term of art with diff meaning.
18:27	mircea_popescu	i have no idea if it does or doesn't and really can't be arsed to find out, cause what do i care.
18:27	mircea_popescu	but i tell you... i am mp. i have always been mp. everyone else is fkghsgeiohgiurehg. to what gain and for what benefit ?
18:27	mircea_popescu	none.
18:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-]
18:28	mircea_popescu	it's just this stupid thing everyone does because everyone's doing.
18:28	mircea_popescu	"gotta have a sikrit nick!!1"
18:28	herbijudlestoids	lol let me be frank
18:28	mircea_popescu	ok, so you're frank.
18:28	herbijudlestoids	if i thought i could conduct the communicatoins i needed over OTR using jabber
18:28	herbijudlestoids	i would
18:28	herbijudlestoids	but there is certain communications that i simply dont want associated with my actual identity
18:29	herbijudlestoids	so i need a mixnet to handle the traffic
18:29	FabianB_	what you're describing sounds like cjdns (encryption of the network, but i think not anonymity)
18:29	mircea_popescu	what, exactly ? so i feel like posting nudes one day. herpderp what, god forbid someone associates it ?
18:29	mircea_popescu	let them associte it, what of.
18:29	herbijudlestoids	OTR keeps the actual messages secure
18:29	mircea_popescu	i think you're confused as to what otr actually does.
18:30	herbijudlestoids	FabianB_: i know cjdns, prefer i2p
18:30	mircea_popescu	FabianB_ iguess it does huh
18:30	FabianB_	herbijudlestoids: coz you want the anonymity i guess
18:31	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: why do you seem to think OTR does not encrypt the conversations?
18:31	herbijudlestoids	second time youve mentioned it
18:32	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids otr makes exactly two guarantees : that only your intended recipient can read your next line, and that should someone obtain the plaintext of your communications they can't prove that it is in fact yours rather than theirs.
18:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012001 = 0.36 BTC [-]
18:32	mircea_popescu	it doesn't make the gpg guarantee that old conversations can never be read by third parties.
18:33	herbijudlestoids	...
18:33	herbijudlestoids	are you referring to perfect forward secrecy?
18:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1089625 = 0.8717 BTC [+] {2}
18:34	mircea_popescu	that's probably a narrowing down, but anyway
18:35	herbijudlestoids	OTR implements perfect forward secrecyt
18:35	herbijudlestoids	each message has its own discarded AES key negotiated by DH
18:36	mircea_popescu	"Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified."
18:38	mircea_popescu	basically, otr guarantees stuff for during a conversation. not really for after it closes.
18:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1099 = 0.9891 BTC [+]
18:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51250002 BTC [-]
18:39	mircea_popescu	this is reflected in many implementations - you can generally find plaintext logs of old otr convos if you dig up your log dir.
18:39	herbijudlestoids	lucky i use tails
18:40	mircea_popescu	i'm by no means saying otr is bad or anything. i use it extensively for that matter
18:41	herbijudlestoids	i find it confusing because you seem to imply the messages are not encrypted
18:41	herbijudlestoids	being able to forge additional messages post conversation really means nothing to my threat model
18:42	mircea_popescu	certainly they're encrypted.
18:42	herbijudlestoids	but theyre not "secure"?
18:42	mircea_popescu	did you just tell me you're promising to pay 10 btc for a stuffed dollie five minutes ago ?
18:43	mircea_popescu	cause if you didn't i'd guess it's possible the forging aditional messages may mean something even for your threat model :)
18:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [-]
18:44	herbijudlestoids	err no, because youre talking about tying my identity to a key
18:44	herbijudlestoids	who is this "me" who promised "you" a thing
18:44	herbijudlestoids	i dunno who that is
18:44	mircea_popescu	right.
18:44	mircea_popescu	kind-of why gribble implements ;;ident
18:45	herbijudlestoids	i got no issues with GPG, but most of the conversations where i care about the security of it, i dont want it tied to my identity if at all possible
18:45	herbijudlestoids	some things i work on, require very very high opsec
18:45	herbijudlestoids	at least for peace of mind
18:45	mircea_popescu	now, the security provided by ;;ident is necessary for business. the security provided by otr is necessary for gossip
18:46	mircea_popescu	since i do more business than gossip... i'm not so impressed with onion and garlic and so on.
18:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50550001 = 1.011 BTC [-] {2}
18:46	herbijudlestoids	ignore the nomenclature, i just pasted the link to see if it met your requirements of passing traffic based on keys
18:46	herbijudlestoids	which i think it does...
18:46	mircea_popescu	yeah, i'm just codgery and will find random things to bitch about
18:47	herbijudlestoids	im used to the type i guess lol, spent some time with owsley in his old age, very codger
18:47	mircea_popescu	In I2P, tunnels are unidirectional. Each party builds two tunnels, one for outbound and one for inbound traffic. Therefore, four tunnels are required for a single round-trip message and reply.
18:47	mircea_popescu	the overhead on this thing seems nutty.
18:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+]
18:48	mircea_popescu	see, this is why i say it fails : the overhead imposed by all the sha(sha(sha(sha bs to keep metadata secret from downstream hops
18:48	mircea_popescu	makes it fucking unusable.
18:48	herbijudlestoids	its extremely usable
18:48	herbijudlestoids	im using it lol
18:48	mircea_popescu	just gpg the package and send it over. i definitely like fabian's cjdns much more
18:49	mircea_popescu	hey dub, what if all internet traffic henceforth needed 4 tunnels built up per connection ?
18:49	herbijudlestoids	lel
18:50	herbijudlestoids	why would you use it for all internet traffic
18:50	herbijudlestoids	the whole point is to use it for traffic that you dont want associated with your IP
18:50	mircea_popescu	you do not understand the nature of idiocy.
18:50	herbijudlestoids	always possible, explain it for me
18:51	mircea_popescu	the whole point of the bitcoin code was to prototype an idea, not to be used for srs.
18:52	mircea_popescu	and if you think the point of http was webstores...
18:52	herbijudlestoids	so youre saying? idiots will use i2p for uses other than its original use?
18:52	mircea_popescu	i'm saying that it is a design with massive overhead for dubious reasons.
18:52	mircea_popescu	imo, ianae etc.
18:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [+]
18:54	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu i want to send you a message. but i dont want anyone to know it was me that sent you the message
18:54	jurov	heh. last time you were completely fine with needing a middleman because both computers connected to "internet" are behind NAT
18:54	mircea_popescu	why not ?
18:54	jurov	that's unnecessary ovehead, too
18:55	mircea_popescu	jurov not in the same sense, is it ? nat is unnecessary overhead in the sense shoes are unnecessary overhead.
18:55	mircea_popescu	they're not overhead, they're undefoot.
18:55	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I have to say I underestimated you when you first arrived, but you are still only halfway to Bitcoin
18:56	BingoBoingo	Encryption is the boring part of GPG
18:56	BingoBoingo	Shit doesn't get interesting until signatures.
18:56	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu lets just say if certain people found out it was me who sent you the message, they could turn up at my doorstep and coerce more messages from me
18:56	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so fyck you then, why am i talking to you ?
18:56	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Black bag / Rubber Hose cryptoanalysis is more expensive than people imagine.
18:57	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu well when i say you its the "example" you, not the actual mirpop you
18:57	mircea_popescu	but my point is :
18:57	herbijudlestoids	so for potentially any number of reasons. maybe we are organising a protest together
18:57	mircea_popescu	sure, the guardian may want to have a random info dead drop, and i guess they may even read it
18:57	herbijudlestoids	(im not)
18:57	mircea_popescu	tho it seems unlikely they would even read it, seeing how book publishers 20 years ago didn't read all the manuscripts they got
18:58	mircea_popescu	and those cost $$$
18:58	mircea_popescu	but if you imagine random joe q person is going to spend resources to go through messages that cost nothing to make up
18:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.109 = 1.526 BTC [+]
18:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
18:58	mircea_popescu	and can't be traced to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated.
18:58	herbijudlestoids	i know my threat model :)
18:58	herbijudlestoids	i cant say too much about it
18:58	mircea_popescu	that's fine, forget your model.
18:58	ThickAsThieves	it's DPR!
18:58	mircea_popescu	think about what's likely to happen irl, when designing.
18:59	mircea_popescu	instead of starting from weird edge cases, which then result in insane implementations that protect things that in the end don't matter.
18:59	herbijudlestoids	but if youre willing to accept the idea that i might like to discuss things with someone and not have parties on the wire who can identify me conversating specifically with that person...
18:59	mircea_popescu	so the nsa knows i talked to a hooker. fuck them, i can post pics on trilema just as well.
18:59	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
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18:59	herbijudlestoids	soooo
18:59	mircea_popescu	i don't need an entire networking protocol to do that, tho.
19:00	mircea_popescu	by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means
19:00	mircea_popescu	a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means.
19:00	herbijudlestoids	lets say iv hired you to be my security consultant then
19:00	herbijudlestoids	what would you suggest i do
19:00	herbijudlestoids	i give you the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid.
19:00	lippoper	we only talk in person
19:00	mircea_popescu	on the data so far i'd suggest you get laid ?
19:00	herbijudlestoids	lippoper: i didnt hire you
19:00	lippoper	leave all electronics behind ;-)
19:00	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at the behest of polite requests to people who could confirm otherwise. Who talks to who is always difficult to hide. Focus on hiding the subject and the message.
19:00	asciilifeform	anyone who goes, 'i want crypto!' without some idea of the actual problem he is trying to solve, is in an advanced state of sin.
19:00	mircea_popescu	i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ?
19:01	lippoper	Well, that's your first problem ;-)
19:01	herbijudlestoids	no
19:01	mircea_popescu	so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ?
19:01	BingoBoingo	If everything abut you is secret you get ignored.
19:01	herbijudlestoids	yes.
19:01	mircea_popescu	is X friendly or hostile ?
19:01	herbijudlestoids	X is friendly
19:02	BingoBoingo	What is X is incredibly hostile?
19:02	lippoper	what about Y?
19:02	BingoBoingo	You just don't know it yet.
19:02	mircea_popescu	fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background.
19:02	asciilifeform	if X is hostile, then anything X knows, the enemy learns immediately.
19:02	mircea_popescu	have them listen to radio shows
19:02	mircea_popescu	worked just fine in ww2.
19:02	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Bingo
19:02	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: thanks for adding some useless lines to the convo
19:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins
19:03	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: the requirement is to talk over the internet
19:03	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel,
19:03	mircea_popescu	you've already lost most of the battle.
19:03	mircea_popescu	keep the channel secret in your model.
19:03	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes the noise between the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine.
19:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [+]
19:04	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: but i have not identified the channel
19:04	mircea_popescu	uh.
19:04	herbijudlestoids	all they could possibly know is that im using i2p
19:05	asciilifeform	steganography is an actual field, anyone for whom traffic analysis is more than an academic puzzle would do well to learn the basics;
19:05	herbijudlestoids	there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages...
19:05	asciilifeform	but it is by its very nature non-standardizable.
19:05	BingoBoingo	i2p makes tor look easy.
19:05	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style.
19:05	mircea_popescu	just don't standardize i nthe first place.
19:05	herbijudlestoids	not sure what you mean
19:06	herbijudlestoids	what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p
19:06	herbijudlestoids	how is the channel known
19:06	mircea_popescu	well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer.
19:07	herbijudlestoids	dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time
19:07	asciilifeform	standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat.
19:07	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page.
19:08	mircea_popescu	there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho.
19:08	mircea_popescu	just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats"
19:08	mircea_popescu	again, worked fine in ww2.
19:08	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Twist in the plot: key under the rug can't withstand the torque necessary to turn the lock and breaks inside...
19:08	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: these are literally the problems OTR was designed to solve lol
19:09	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: grenade sans pin with the spoon held down by the rug, if you like.
19:09	herbijudlestoids	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire
19:09	ozbot	Socialist millionaire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:10	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use.
19:11	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids otr protects your meta-data now ?
19:11	mircea_popescu	i gues in the sense of no signatures...
19:11	asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: what problem would you actually like to solve? that is, what is the portrait of the enemy? and what is to be protected?
19:11	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: i cant really tell you that
19:11	asciilifeform	no need to be specific
19:11	asciilifeform	just generalities
19:11	herbijudlestoids	the problem i would like to solve, is very very simple
19:12	asciilifeform	e.g. 'nsa' and 'warez'
19:12	herbijudlestoids	there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it
19:12	herbijudlestoids	we need to talk...maybe once a month or less...
19:12	herbijudlestoids	over the internet.
19:12	asciilifeform	talk in real time?
19:12	herbijudlestoids	yes.
19:13	mircea_popescu	i doubt otr actually covers this case.
19:13	herbijudlestoids	it has to be impossible for anyone to ever use those communicatoins to find out who is running the project.
19:13	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i told you like 50 times we are using OTR to encrypt conversations that take place over i2p
19:13	mircea_popescu	if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off
19:13	mircea_popescu	they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks.
19:13	mircea_popescu	they can take place over the naked body of mary.
19:15	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Why not turtle routing if it is only two known parties that can exchange credentials in person?
19:15	asciilifeform	it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live.
19:15	herbijudlestoids	i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P
19:16	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: explain?
19:16	asciilifeform	http://www.ussrback.com/crypto/rsa/TWINKLE/twinkle.html
19:16	herbijudlestoids	ah F2F
19:16	herbijudlestoids	if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes to take the traffic load, i dont want to talk directly to the counterparts IP
19:17	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect to.
19:17	herbijudlestoids	yeah...no...i would likely use the gnunet for F2F comms
19:17	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :)
19:17	asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint?
19:17	asciilifeform	because if it isn't, you can stuff bytes in the btc block chain.
19:18	herbijudlestoids	haha
19:18	herbijudlestoids	why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into the blockchain
19:18	mircea_popescu	and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain.
19:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC
19:18	asciilifeform	agree on public keys, and encrypt
19:18	asciilifeform	the agreement only needs to happen once
19:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway
19:19	herbijudlestoids	i definitely do not want to persist anything in any blockchain!
19:19	asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: assume that every packet you send over the public net gets 'persisted' regardless of whether you asked for it
19:19	herbijudlestoids	lel you guys crack me up
19:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+]
19:19	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D
19:19	mircea_popescu	shit, beaten to it again
19:20	mircea_popescu	i gotta learn to touchtype already.
19:20	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: i make that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in the blockchain
19:20	mircea_popescu	because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ?
19:20	asciilifeform	because this way 10,000 lamers are all equal candidates for the inquisition, for having said packets on disk
19:20	mircea_popescu	at least in some people's estimation.
19:21	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: in that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers to have the packets in their NIC than on their disk.
19:21	BingoBoingo	I wonder if anti-Zyprexa exists...
19:21	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: you want a psychotic inducer?
19:22	mircea_popescu	acid prolly works...
19:22	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Not exactly
19:22	BingoBoingo	More like a complacency relaxer
19:22	herbijudlestoids	so you want to increase your motivation?
19:22	herbijudlestoids	try l-tyrosine
19:22	herbijudlestoids	catecholamine precursor.
19:23	asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: i'm feeling generous, have an example:
19:23	asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/YQ0b2Lmp
19:23	ozbot	[Python] caster - Pastebin.com
19:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00093557 = 6.2683 BTC [+] {2}
19:24	mircea_popescu	http://www.psychforums.com/anti-psych/topic85874.html
19:24	ozbot	Zyprexa withdrawal Horror stories : Anti-Psych Forum - Psych forums
19:24	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: thanks for your generosity i guess, what is this?
19:24	mircea_popescu	pretty good shit.
19:24	mircea_popescu	you people and your synthetic helpers.
19:25	asciilifeform	and http://pastebin.com/Uw9syzhV
19:25	herbijudlestoids	i dont take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :)
19:25	BingoBoingo	I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been too obvious...
19:26	asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: recipe, for stowing four octets in the blockchain.
19:27	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors though Lima/Fava beans work just fine
19:27	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: ah right. thx...i appreciate the gesture :)
19:27	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: um, no, the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor to all catecholamines
19:27	ThickAsThieves	fava beans are the best beans
19:28	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Your chemistry isn't wrong, but it is missing 4 steps and 9 pathways.
19:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29031 @ 0.00093295 = 27.0845 BTC [-] {2}
19:29	BingoBoingo	Also there is no such thing is an acute precursor unless you want to talk prodrugs like codeine
19:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10072 @ 0.00092835 = 9.3503 BTC [-]
19:29	ThickAsThieves	;;ticker
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19:30	BingoBoingo	;;lasers
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19:30	ThickAsThieves	lol
19:30	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: i mean acute as in relative to l-tyrosine
19:30	herbijudlestoids	same way that 5-htp versus l-tryptophan
19:31	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I think you read pharmacology equivalents to the National Enquirer a bit too much.
19:31	asciilifeform	herbijudlestoids: four octets ought to be a roomy enough 'dead drop' for anyone
19:31	herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: dead drop is not my requirement
19:31	asciilifeform	dead drop can tell the friendly forces where to find whatever.
19:32	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: im not a neuroscientist, but i did used to work at the largest neuroscience research facility in australia. consider my knowledge on the topic a poor carbon copy
19:32	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: 5-HTP is mostly a precusor of things that aren't catecholamines anyway
19:32	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I haven't taken a bio class since 7th grade.
19:32	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: you misunderstand, i was referring to 5-htp being a direct serotonin precursor (equiv of L-DOPA for dopamine) and l-tryptophan being broader/less acute
19:33	asciilifeform	serotonin more or less stops at the blood-brain barrier, so 5-htp just annoys your liver.
19:33	herbijudlestoids	5-htp is the l-dopa of serotonin...is what i meant
19:33	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: But in vitro most 5-HTP becomes various histamines as opposed to becoming serotinin.
19:34	herbijudlestoids	who cares about in vitro
19:34	herbijudlestoids	i am talking about when you eat it
19:34	herbijudlestoids	in vivo
19:34	BingoBoingo	5-HTP generallyis dangerous because it is a histamine precursor rather than a serotonin precursor.
19:35	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Well, I'm not in the habit of cutting vexual open.
19:35	herbijudlestoids	http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2357555
19:35	ozbot	Striatal dopamine terminals release serotonin afte... [Brain Res. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI
19:35	herbijudlestoids	"Peripheral administration of 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) to rats causes 'wet dog' shakes and a parallel elevation of brain serotonin (5-HT) levels. "
19:36	BingoBoingo	And nicotinic receptor inhibitors like succicholine cause paralasis.
19:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009358 = 4.913 BTC [+]
19:37	BingoBoingo	Most serotogenic receptors from the five documented families happen in the bowels.
19:37	herbijudlestoids	we have come a long way from your question of wanting to remove complacency
19:37	herbijudlestoids	i suggested something to increase endogenous adrenaline and dopamine together.
19:37	herbijudlestoids	my 2c :)
19:37	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: And now we are talking about shit.
19:37	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/02d74622f0955143cb0d95a07d983fec/tumblr_mfoxk60OCb1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
19:38	mircea_popescu	meanwhile irl...
19:38	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The thing is meth can do that cheaper. Combine meth and an MAOI and you can do it fast and incredibly cheap with incredible safety.
19:38	BingoBoingo	Tits
19:39	ThickAsThieves	850
19:39	cazalla	that zyprexa link.. why would a 6 year old be on that
19:39	cazalla	and what type of parent would give consent
19:39	herbijudlestoids	lel if you think meth + MAOI removes complacency
19:39	asciilifeform	in what universe is 'meth' cheap?
19:40	herbijudlestoids	cazalla: US Big Pharma influenced doctors :)
19:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
19:40	mircea_popescu	cazalla no need for parental consent in the us.
19:40	herbijudlestoids	cazalla: they go to a conference, there is big pharma salespeople there, there is other doctors who were paid by big pharma to do studies, et
19:40	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You know we only whack you because we like you.
19:40	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Missouri
19:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street.
19:41	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: why is that lady naked?
19:41	herbijudlestoids	she seems out of place
19:41	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: <3
19:41	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i think you misunderstand. e.g. an AK-47 is 'cheap', if you're a Pashtun. but say you're a Brit.
19:42	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: this is the first irc chan that i have hung out in since probly 2010...should give you a clue :)
19:42	mircea_popescu	no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask.
19:42	asciilifeform	then you pay 10x, and roll in the cost of lawyers, bribes, etc. if you're found out.
19:42	cazalla	herbijudlestoids: i know how it works but it's just shocking a 6 year old would be taking it, my dad takes a small dose to manage his schizophrenia and it did wonders for him but still, a 6 year old?
19:42	mircea_popescu	it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it.
19:43	herbijudlestoids	cazalla: profit margins yo, they must be kept up
19:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 512 @ 0.00082279 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {4}
19:43	asciilifeform	the basic formula for black market cost is 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'
19:43	benkay	translation?
19:43	mircea_popescu	cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market.
19:43	asciilifeform	esp. now that 'silk road' is done
19:43	mircea_popescu	you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ?
19:43	herbijudlestoids	cazalla: if your marketing strategy is so successful that it encompasses the entire 21-65yo spectrum...what do you do? expand the market ;)
19:43	BingoBoingo	I knew plenty of kids in elementary school on the Desoxyn
19:43	mircea_popescu	benkay what's legit for jesus isn't legit for random fuckwit
19:44	cazalla	not familiar with that one BingoBoingo, zyprexa gave my dad a sane life though
19:44	mircea_popescu	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hawaii-family-sues-dentist-root-canal-left-3-year-old-girl-brain-dead-article-1.1565600
19:44	mircea_popescu	here's a good one.
19:44	ozbot	Hawaii family sues dentist for root canal that left 3-year-old girl BRAIN DEAD - NY Daily News
19:44	mircea_popescu	think about it... root canals in milk teeth.
19:44	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In Detroit,St Louis, and Chicago the most common caliber used in homicides was .22LR
19:45	herbijudlestoids	cazalla: lol desoxyn is meth :)
19:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1488 @ 0.00076609 = 1.1399 BTC [-] {15}
19:45	cazalla	3 year olds need root canal?
19:45	cazalla	must've given her pepsi instead of breastmilk
19:45	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if govt. stats are to be believed, this is true in all 50 states.
19:45	mircea_popescu	cazalla in the us, yes.
19:46	asciilifeform	low pressure round. hence pistols with barrels made of cheap hell-knows-what alloy.
19:46	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well problem probably isn't government stats in this case. In this case it is people who want to bake a murder want to use an expendable and cheap weapon.
19:47	mircea_popescu	so i guess the real gangstas are the people with daisies and red ryders in their mtv videos
19:47	mircea_popescu	as opposed to all the fakers with platform machine guns and anti tank missile launchers
19:47	asciilifeform	.22, 'olympic' caliber, favourite of executioners around the world
19:47	BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU
19:48	ozbot	homicide da union - YouTube
19:48	asciilifeform	traditionally used at 'point blank' range. no exit wound, bounces around in the head.
19:48	herbijudlestoids	ew
19:49	asciilifeform	every once in a while, somebody fellates a .22 and lives
19:49	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: For small game fillinf hollow points with phosphorous has its virtues
19:50	herbijudlestoids	let me tell you guys about our prime minister
19:50	herbijudlestoids	his name is tony abbott
19:50	herbijudlestoids	imagine george bush
19:50	BingoBoingo	da union has the best videos on Youtube
19:50	herbijudlestoids	and then take away all of the intelligence
19:50	herbijudlestoids	thats tony abbott
19:50	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: light the meat? why?
19:51	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Marks where the lead settles, by yes scorching the wound tunnel.
19:51	BingoBoingo	Usefull on fatty shit like woodchucks
19:52	BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM
19:52	ozbot	FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube
19:52	herbijudlestoids	ill tell you guys what
19:53	herbijudlestoids	i will give up my 0.02BTC to anyone who wants to come to aus and challenge tony abbott to a fight
19:53	asciilifeform	saddam h. reportedly challenged mr. bush to a duel.
19:54	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Plenty of sandbars here. Talk him into a meeting on the mississippi. Plenty of sand bars with questionable jurisdiction.
19:54	BingoBoingo	US Senators used to end their careers on those all of the time.
19:55	herbijudlestoids	i fucken hate this guy
19:55	herbijudlestoids	i used to think i hated our previous, conservative, 4 term PM, john howard
19:55	herbijudlestoids	but i love john howard compared to tony abbott...
19:55	BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJLTSP8g_4
19:55	wao-ender	so
19:56	ozbot	REAL STL HOOD FIGHTZ- "Cam vs. J.R. Pt. 2" (Unedited) - YouTube
19:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00092862 = 6.7789 BTC [-]
19:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
19:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 5.28978394 BTC to 19`322 shares, 27377 satoshi per share
19:59	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: are they actually gonna fight lol
20:00	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: I dunno
20:00	herbijudlestoids	the answer is no
20:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00093457 = 21.2147 BTC [+]
20:00	herbijudlestoids	waste of 4 minutes
20:00	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: How do you know pt 3 isn't set in the back of an ambulance?
20:01	herbijudlestoids	there is no part 3
20:02	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids what specifically is the complaint ?
20:02	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: against abbott?
20:02	mircea_popescu	yea
20:04	herbijudlestoids	let me show you a video
20:04	mircea_popescu	nah.
20:04	mircea_popescu	ain't nobody got no time for that.
20:04	herbijudlestoids	its lelworthy, 2m43s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
20:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.83710380 BTC to 321`963 shares, 260 satoshi per share
20:07	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: i dunno how i can exactly explain it...but i guess its very similar to bush snr vs jnr. policywise, identical...but you feel embarrassed when you see them overseas representing you
20:07	mircea_popescu	lmao the keiser muppet made his own coin
20:07	BingoBoingo	Ain't nobody got time for dat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKI7ArSvlY
20:07	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Lnk plox?
20:08	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/maxkeiser
20:08	ozbot	Max Keiser (maxkeiser) on Twitter
20:08	mircea_popescu	good for a lol.
20:08	mircea_popescu	(no actual link to the thing anywhere there)
20:08	mircea_popescu	"As a stage of the launch will release password protected .rar files for important downloads, followed by passwords a time later."
20:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.50230358 = 18.0829 BTC [-] {19}
20:09	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/LionelMedia/status/431114885024722944
20:09	ozbot	Twitter / LionelMedia: Maxcoin is the new Dogecoin. ...
20:09	mircea_popescu	the funny thing, of course, is that he's following mp mandated policy TO SPITE ME
20:09	mircea_popescu	people.
20:10	mircea_popescu	my life would have been infinitely boring-er without bitcoin, for srs.
20:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49300333 = 1.479 BTC [-] {3}
20:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+]
20:10	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431233382152810497
20:10	ozbot	Twitter / BBoingo: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...
20:11	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: To think all you would have before would have been the slave girls and the fortune
20:11	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438150.0
20:11	ozbot	[PRE-ANN][MAX] MaxCoin
20:11	mircea_popescu	there you go.
20:12	mircea_popescu	BTC Block time? 30 seconds << that's the innovation.
20:12	BingoBoingo	Wait SHA-3? WHo has some FPGAs?
20:12	BingoBoingo	THere's some good VHDL cores for that.
20:12	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'ebay.' a dime a dozen.
20:13	mircea_popescu	course the code got leaked
20:13	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I mean who still has FPGAs to sink them nao...
20:13	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo has enlightened me, i had no idea how many videos of black people nearly fighting each other but not, were on youtube
20:13	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: plenty of people own fpgas. me, for instance.
20:14	pankkake	videos of "nigger friday"?
20:14	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320659.msg4952359#msg4952359
20:14	ozbot	[MCXNOW IPO] : 11,000 BTC raised [ UPDATE : OVER ]
20:14	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Sure we just need the set of people with FPGAs and who would like to luke-jr Max Keister
20:14	mircea_popescu	check it out, realsolid (of solidcoin scam fame) is like... raising ipos and whatnot
20:14	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: He went scam on that IPO like months ago.
20:14	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo im pretty sure that's being taken care of.
20:15	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no ?!
20:15	mircea_popescu	but how could that be.
20:15	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Solidcoin 4?
20:15	mircea_popescu	lol
20:15	nubbins`	you want a psychosis inducer, lsd is a poor choice
20:16	nubbins`	try atropine or scopolamine type stuff
20:16	mircea_popescu	"just get married" ?
20:16	nubbins`	ha
20:16	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Actually if you want speed dramamine is the fastest route.
20:16	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: thats delerium, not psychosis.
20:16	BingoBoingo	At the right doses
20:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11249999 = 0.225 BTC [+]
20:16	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids, one's as good as the other
20:17	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Neither of those are very good. Delerium versus psychosis is Riddler versus Joker.
20:17	Vexual	eat lead paint
20:17	mircea_popescu	you know it's spelled delirium
20:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169 = 0.3507 BTC [+]
20:17	assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 225 @ 0.01806074 = 4.0637 BTC [-]
20:17	nubbins`	i was gonna let the spelling slide
20:17	nubbins`	bingo, i'm not up on my batman villains
20:18	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Thank you markov chain!!! Shekel me nao.
20:18	mircea_popescu	me too but it was taking up a life of its own
20:18	herbijudlestoids	so it is
20:18	nubbins`	deleterious delirium
20:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00514563 = 0.319 BTC [-] {7}
20:18	mircea_popescu	hilatarious
20:18	nubbins`	either way
20:18	nubbins`	you give some schmo lsd and he's just as likely to achieve complete awareness
20:19	mircea_popescu	complete my foot.
20:19	mircea_popescu	that's psychosis.
20:19	nubbins`	haha
20:19	BingoBoingo	But atropine 'could' be delerium
20:19	mircea_popescu	"you can't logically prove my complete awareness is incomplete and kinda unaware!1111"
20:20	mircea_popescu	guy walks into a pole
20:20	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You sound like a MAXCOiner
20:20	BingoBoingo	lol, I've walked into a pole. poles have decent tits
20:20	nubbins`	HEH
20:20	mircea_popescu	hahaha
20:20	nubbins`	see?
20:20	nubbins`	complete awareness
20:20	nubbins`	dude knew what he was doing all along
20:21	nubbins`	anyway, there are plenty of virgins that have convinced themselves that sex is just a sticky wet mess
20:21	nubbins`	what of it?
20:21	mircea_popescu	there are ?!
20:21	mircea_popescu	dude the more i hear of canada...
20:21	nubbins`	the more you wanna move here
20:21	nubbins`	i know
20:21	herbijudlestoids	haha holy shit
20:21	herbijudlestoids	slashdot has changed interfaces
20:21	mircea_popescu	um no. i don't like virginz.
20:22	herbijudlestoids	the comments sections have ceased to be about the story and only talking about the interface
20:22	nubbins`	i don't like people who haven't taken lsd ;p
20:22	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: The trick is figuring out how many minutes ago I opened the bottle.
20:22	nubbins`	i kid
20:22	BingoBoingo	So around 7 UTC we get Altcoin on Slashdot?
20:22	nubbins`	BingoBoingo: me figuring it out or you figuring it out?
20:22	Vexual	if one goes to heaven with 40 virgins, do they stay that way?
20:22	nubbins`	Vexual, the hymens regrow
20:23	mircea_popescu	Vexual yeah. it's gonna be painful for them 4evar
20:23	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I know the answer is 143
20:23	mircea_popescu	that way muslim men don't ever need to fuck ass.
20:23	nubbins`	anyway, for those of you who are aware of the "stoned ape" theory of evolution of consciousness
20:23	nubbins`	check this gem out:
20:23	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW4K0LqTC5w
20:23	ozbot	Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube
20:24	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But the scents differ. Ass flora and Vaginal flora are completley different flora. Basically E Coli versus Yoplait.
20:24	mircea_popescu	i use condoms anyway
20:24	herbijudlestoids	"It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11] "
20:24	herbijudlestoids	...appetizing.
20:24	mircea_popescu	it's a mistranslation.
20:25	herbijudlestoids	yea i know lol, iranian, remember?
20:25	mircea_popescu	"desirable"
20:25	nubbins`	condoms, what's that, a euro thing?
20:26	mircea_popescu	lol "it's not a purse, it's european"
20:26	nubbins`	eternal erections would become gangrenous
20:26	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You might be canadian, so it doesn't seem relevant, but they are essential anywhere aids is possible;.
20:26	nubbins`	again, i kid ;(
20:26	nubbins`	we have aids here in canada too
20:27	nubbins`	hah
20:27	nubbins`	in this province, yes
20:27	asciilifeform	nubbins`: only kaffirs get afterlife with gangrene.
20:27	BingoBoingo	Or is it Candidia lacks a certain .txt
20:27	nubbins`	ooh good crossover joke
20:27	nubbins`	actually, a local actor is starring in the film remake of that .txt, alongside cuba gooding jr
20:28	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo not necessarily. it could be magically arranged the blood still flows
20:28	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-oscar-winners-join-tv-adaptation-of-the-book-of-negroes-1.2523057
20:28	ozbot	2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News
20:28	mircea_popescu	maybe the chosen penis just enters a hydraulic annomaly
20:28	nubbins`	hm
20:28	nubbins`	some sort of bloodlock system
20:28	mircea_popescu	no, no lock.
20:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00093457 = 5.1635 BTC [+] {2}
20:28	BingoBoingo	Good point mircea_popescu. Still. No one is making decent cheddar in there.
20:29	mircea_popescu	just, pv=nt here and p'v=nt there
20:29	nubbins`	well i just mean like an airlock
20:29	mircea_popescu	allah sez.
20:29	nubbins`	new blood in, mild overinflation, old blood out
20:29	herbijudlestoids	www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list
20:29	nubbins`	you could time the inflow to the outward thrust, to simulate knotting
20:30	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/anorexia-patient-told-by-er-nurse-to-go-get-some-supper-1.2523913
20:30	ozbot	Anorexia patient told by ER nurse to 'go get some supper' - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
20:30	Mats_cd03	i am now the proud owner of some S.MPOE
20:30	nubbins`	ah, this place is something else
20:30	Mats_cd03	what do i have to look forward to
20:30	nubbins`	Mats_cd03, uncertainty and elation
20:31	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 prolly some dividends at some point
20:31	Mats_cd03	hopefully ill be able to reinvest my profits into a nice deep fryer
20:31	nubbins`	haha
20:31	nubbins`	deep fryers, jeez
20:32	nubbins`	why not just throw out all your pants and start wearing pyjamas?
20:32	Mats_cd03	i hear they make one that uses a centrifuge inside at 3x G to induce a delicious crisp outside chicken
20:32	Mats_cd03	i hear its... extraterrestrially delicious
20:32	Vexual	swirling a wok can do that
20:32	nubbins`	all for the low cost of having your house smell like a grease trap
20:32	nubbins`	^
20:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4542 @ 0.00093387 = 4.2416 BTC [-]
20:32	BingoBoingo	Anyone here part of the Silicon Valley circuit?
20:33	Mats_cd03	what is that
20:33	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Until they prove otherwise lusers
20:34	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: im not directly but do know a fair few who are
20:34	herbijudlestoids	re openstack
20:34	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, pankkake, jborkl: http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM
20:34	nubbins`	i don't think amazon is gonna carry this book
20:34	pankkake	omg
20:35	pankkake	who am I?
20:35	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: But I did disclose some alma maters here earlier today. If people who want into Bitcoin want to know how to navigate a WoT I make myself available... for a price.
20:35	mircea_popescu	hahaha
20:35	nubbins`	i don't know what you look like so i had to draw something based on your nick
20:35	nubbins`	you're all flat, like a pankkake :(
20:35	mircea_popescu	dick ?
20:35	Mats_cd03	BingoBoingo: i dont want to read logs so why dont you tell me
20:35	mircea_popescu	why does kako have a moustachio like groucho marx ?
20:35	BingoBoingo	Lol nubbins` That goes in the -assets book right?
20:35	nubbins`	yeah, first page
20:36	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Because somolia
20:36	nubbins`	just a rough draft of course ;p
20:36	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, that's actually jborkl
20:36	mircea_popescu	bongebaungu i see you have an issue with vowel rotation
20:36	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Know Paul Graham?
20:36	nubbins`	i tried to draw someone who looked bork-y
20:36	mircea_popescu	what in "jason borkland" gives you the turkish look ?
20:37	nubbins`	honestly i use paint markers and accidentally depressed the tip
20:37	pankkake	anyway, awesome
20:37	nubbins`	then had to fix it as best i could ;(
20:37	mircea_popescu	i kinda like how my head rests securely on my beard pedestal
20:37	nubbins`	for easy storage, natch
20:38	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you realise this is the book of the book being written right now
20:38	nubbins`	hmm, that's a bit too seinfeld for me
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20:38	BingoBoingo	!b 5
20:38	nubbins`	strike this from the logs!
20:38	pankkake	though today I was more like jborkl, wore a snow hat and hat weird stuff coming in and out of my nose
20:38	mircea_popescu	pankkake did you get your face surgically removed yet ?
20:38	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: nope
20:38	nubbins`	i draw a couple more but the pens started acting up
20:38	nubbins`	*drew
20:39	nubbins`	full of ink blobs
20:39	pankkake	I had turbinoplasty
20:39	pankkake	my nose is TURBINES
20:39	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Ah, I could hope. I've been trying to target him through blog posts
20:39	mircea_popescu	lmao
20:39	mircea_popescu	now you can ipo your head
20:39	mircea_popescu	for a mining farm based on wind turbines
20:39	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: is he a fin services guy? i can see someone paul graham fin services on linkedin
20:39	nubbins`	stateful wind
20:40	Vexual	upper level
20:40	nubbins`	^ we already have this, altho it's pretty much read-only
20:40	mircea_popescu	nubbins` that comes out the other way.
20:40	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: He used to be an academic LISPer
20:40	nubbins`	heh
20:40	pankkake	I'm not finished yet, but it's becoming an expensive head :(
20:40	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The past tense might be important though
20:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00093535 = 10.055 BTC [+]
20:41	pankkake	the bearded MP reminds me of something, but I can't really find it
20:41	nubbins`	BingoBoingo, i imagine you as some sort of cross between a kangaroo and an old lady with a visor
20:41	benkay	BingoBoingo: he used to be a commercial Lisper as well.
20:41	pankkake	maybe cthulhu
20:41	nubbins`	pankkake: does it remind you of mp? ;p
20:41	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: What I am looking for is someone silicon valley who needs a Bitcoin Bullshit filter.
20:42	benkay	BingoBoingo: unfortunately those who need what you have to offer are too stupid to realize they need it.
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20:42	mircea_popescu	!b 1
20:42	BingoBoingo	benkay: I know that, but it is only to the potential audience's peril
20:43	nubbins`	benkay: this is actually a problem with free condoms too
20:43	pankkake	I shaved yesterday, should have IPOed my glorious beard
20:43	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Shame to you and your family
20:43	mircea_popescu	im thinking of shaving too
20:43	nubbins`	it's liberating
20:43	pankkake	usually it itches, but after a month and a half it was still good
20:44	BingoBoingo	pankkake: How slow does french hair grow?
20:44	benkay	you guys can't shave my sideburns are just starting to come into bloom! i was shooting for an assets beard conference.
20:44	nubbins`	i find if you can get past the 3-week mark, the beard grows itself
20:44	mircea_popescu	benkay you coming in april ?
20:44	benkay	nah man
20:44	benkay	not unless revenue picks up significantly
20:44	benkay	wish i were
20:44	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ << reminder
20:44	ozbot	The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:44	pankkake	BingoBoingo: I am a hairy monster, but for example my brother can't grow a beard as fast as me, if at all
20:44	nubbins`	i'm waiting for someone to sponsor me as a courtroom sketch-artist type deal
20:45	nubbins`	incidentally the last two zines we published were essentially this
20:45	benkay	was totally planning to, but then i dropped the well-paid infotech work to do the same thing with good friends for clients paying a third
20:45	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: thinking of going?
20:45	nubbins`	benkay, i used to work for a company called infotech
20:45	mircea_popescu	benkay splendid stragety.
20:45	nubbins`	"why don't we just call our company IT?" "nah, too short"
20:45	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Sheriff couple of counties over still has my passport until at least May
20:45	mircea_popescu	let's call our shop SHOP
20:46	mircea_popescu	and our dog DOG
20:46	mircea_popescu	and our child CHILD
20:46	nubbins`	right?
20:46	Vexual	lol BingoBongo, I'm having similar issues
20:46	pankkake	that's what korean starcraft players do, though
20:46	nubbins`	i owned a nameless cockatiel for over 10 years
20:46	herbijudlestoids	yall criminals.
20:46	pankkake	names like "life", "cloud", "hero"
20:46	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what srsys, you can't apply for a whatsitcalled
20:46	Vexual	boat?
20:46	mircea_popescu	lol
20:46	nubbins`	pankkake, i generally found that koreans had crazy email addresses
20:47	nubbins`	like fvjefgrnfd@whatever.co.kr
20:47	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I got principles and I ain't plea'in
20:47	pankkake	lol
20:47	mircea_popescu	bysendingemailhereideclareiamawhore@yahoo.com ?
20:47	nubbins`	one day i realized that they were just typing their names in korean on the keyboard
20:47	nubbins`	hahahah
20:47	mircea_popescu	good for spam honeypottin'
20:48	mircea_popescu	ipromisetopaytenbuckstotherecipient@gmail.com
20:48	BingoBoingo	I paid may to many BTC for this drive through motherfucking lawyer's time back in may and I plan to waste as much of his time as I can.
20:48	mircea_popescu	(nothice equal strlen)
20:48	nubbins`	hmm
20:48	asciilifeform	ionlyacceptmailasblockchaindustbytes@nowhereinparticular.com
20:48	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ahahaha how much was it
20:49	mircea_popescu	myotheremailisbroken@tormail.net
20:49	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: $300 or back in May 2.5 BTC that week
20:49	nubbins`	thisistheonlyonetheydidntseize@tormail.org
20:49	mircea_popescu	fuck, you hired a lawyer for 300 bux ?!
20:49	nubbins`	what'd that get you, a handshake?
20:49	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, dude has a drive thru
20:49	nubbins`	oh wow
20:49	nubbins`	i thought that was a figure of speech
20:49	BingoBoingo	Fucker is happy to act as my paralegal too.
20:50	nubbins`	hi can i take your problem please
20:50	benkay	mircea_popescu: can't tell if sarcasm or irony
20:50	mircea_popescu	you know, rural us...
20:50	BingoBoingo	Well, yeah
20:50	benkay	and if ironic what precisely the message is
20:50	nubbins`	benkay, surprise
20:50	mircea_popescu	benkay :D
20:50	BingoBoingo	If sit ain't cheap enough head into the wastes
20:50	asciilifeform	somebody 'in demand' should actually declare, 'wanna talk? low octets of tx amount to addr. A plz.'
20:50	mircea_popescu	that's okay, i can't tell which message he;s on about. we have thus achieved
20:51	mircea_popescu	perfect communicational symmetrification.
20:51	benkay	<mircea_popescu> benkay splendid stragety.
20:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sort-of like how trilema credits work
20:51	nubbins`	hmmmmmm
20:51	nubbins`	re: "socialist millionaire" problem
20:51	Mats_cd03	hes 99% incoherent usually
20:51	pankkake	"Just like on the 1st edition VIPs get free shuttle service to and from the airport, free (4 star) hotel accomodation including breakfast (either singles or doubles at your option, no extra charge), free meals and drinks everywhere" oh. I see the point now :D
20:51	nubbins`	one nice thing about having a degree in pure mathematics is that you can grok wikipedia articles on math
20:52	BingoBoingo	I'd honestly be surprised if this matter is adjudicated in time for next year's conference.
20:52	mircea_popescu	benkay just sarcastic
20:52	asciilifeform	nubbins`: one can grok the millionaires protocol with a first grade degree.
20:52	nubbins`	oh, sure, yeah
20:52	asciilifeform	(at least, soviet 1st grade.)
20:53	nubbins`	i just mean sentences like "All operations are performed modulo p, or in other words, in the multiplicative group (Z/pZ)*."
20:53	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i hear a lot of work is being put into keeping us citizens from being able to travel abroad
20:53	mircea_popescu	for all sorts of not-directly-related reasons
20:53	nubbins`	and they said group theory wouldn't prove useful in real life.
20:53	pankkake	a lot of work = butt probes and cancer-giving machines?
20:53	benkay	can't say as i agree, mp. before i was limited pretty solidly on increasing revenue. nowadays, i'm only limited on revenue by my ability to find work and people to do it.
20:54	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: so far, just a bit of dekulakization.
20:54	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: If it comes down to life and death I can walk to Nuevo Laredo and get all of the hookers. Nao though... Imma wilk my 2.5 BTC out of Mr. Drive Thru.
20:54	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: best korea does that, too
20:54	mircea_popescu	benkay the sarcasm refers to what was stated not to teh reality therein described.
20:54	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i was in nuevo laredo, had excellent pasta there
20:54	nubbins`	jborkl
20:54	nubbins`	http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM
20:54	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
20:54	nubbins`	that's you on the bottom
20:55	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I can't affirm or deny having spent any time there this summer, but pasta there "seems" to be above that availble in my native area
20:55	nubbins`	fun fact, the dollar store sells fake Moleskine notebooks for $1
20:56	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there was some prattle about making folks owing $6+figs of tax 'невыездной'
20:56	asciilifeform	afaik never went anywhere.
20:56	Vexual	nubs not really paper?
20:56	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, it's implemented
20:56	nubbins`	Vexual, just a brand name. no moles were harmed
20:56	mircea_popescu	yu can't get a passport if you owe back tax.
20:56	Vexual	inferior stitching?
20:56	nubbins`	shrug. has held up so far
20:57	nubbins`	they even have the elastic band and the bookmark
20:57	Vexual	might be real
20:57	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall the magic number?
20:57	nubbins`	nah, real ones are like $18
20:57	mircea_popescu	fun fact. apud gt, nevyyezdnoy=travel abroad, vyyezdnoy=exit
20:57	Vexual	and the french is proper
20:57	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no magic number. irs just puts a hold.
20:57	mircea_popescu	$100 is good enough.
20:57	nubbins`	it's actually pretty hard to bind a book with thread so poorly that it falls apart
20:57	nubbins`	i mean, if you can tie a knot
20:58	nubbins`	even if you can't
20:58	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: вьезд / выезд sure
20:58	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: entry/exit
20:58	nubbins`	i actually let my passport expire
20:58	nubbins`	have to get a new picture taken this week
20:59	asciilifeform	nevyyezdnoy (невыездной) - 'he who is not to leave'
20:59	nubbins`	gotta say, it rots my guts when they don't stamp the pages in order
20:59	Vexual	lol
20:59	jborkl	Nice drawing, is that original?
20:59	mircea_popescu	why ?!
20:59	nubbins`	jborkl: yeah, part of the upcoming first issue of -assets Quarterly
20:59	nubbins`	mircea_popescu, just the way i am, i guess
20:59	jborkl	Nice
21:00	nubbins`	would you buy a notebook and start writing on page 7?
21:00	Vexual	yes
21:00	mircea_popescu	yes
21:00	nubbins`	eat shit, both of you
21:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04201332 = 0.6302 BTC [+] {4}
21:00	mircea_popescu	"would you pick up a chick and start by fucking her in the ass ?"
21:00	Vexual	i hope you get your visa stamped on the cover
21:00	mircea_popescu	hahaha
21:00	nubbins`	NOT ON PAGE 7 I WOULDN'T
21:01	mircea_popescu	if i ever visit nubbins` household i'm writing into all the new noteboox at random locations
21:01	nubbins`	i bet you eat all the chocolate in your advent calendars on the first day too, don't ya
21:01	jborkl	Heh, I am left handed so I sometimes start at the back. Drives the wife nuts
21:01	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: there came a point where we had enough scrap paper that we were able to stop buying notebooks and start making them
21:01	mircea_popescu	nubbins` dude, i will DRINK FROM THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BOTTLES
21:01	nubbins`	jborkl: funny, i actually start reading magazines from the back
21:02	nubbins`	hahah
21:02	nubbins`	so... with a straw? :(
21:02	herbijudlestoids	http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/02/05/1421229/adobe-flash-remote-code-execution-flaw-exploited-in-the-wild?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
21:02	ozbot	Adobe Flash Remote Code Execution Flaw Exploited In the Wild - Slashdot
21:02	mircea_popescu	you'll have some liquid, then a pause, then more liquid
21:02	herbijudlestoids	update yo flash nigz
21:02	nubbins`	i hate that!!
21:02	mircea_popescu	someone had flash ?!
21:02	nubbins`	what's a flash
21:03	jborkl	Wait, where are sticking that straw? Is this still about picking up the chick?
21:03	nubbins`	i think they start in the middle
21:03	mircea_popescu	they always start in the middle.
21:03	nubbins`	not sure
21:03	mircea_popescu	shit
21:03	mircea_popescu	"they start in middle school yeah"
21:04	nubbins`	what's a school
21:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
21:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+]
21:04	herbijudlestoids	yall dont have flash?
21:04	herbijudlestoids	how do youwatch youtube
21:04	Vexual	mp posts a lot of public nudes
21:05	mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu:
21:05	mircea_popescu	ain't nobody got no time for that.
21:05	asciilifeform	http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/8177/CVE_2014_0497_a_0_day_vulnerability
21:05	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/789ee03d33aa445a6c3c647dcb3119a4/tumblr_mes5vkpQhj1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is vex when he was younger.
21:06	mircea_popescu	windows only exploits. herp
21:07	asciilifeform	the overflow works elsewhere, these folks only looked at the winblows example.
21:07	herbijudlestoids	if it exploits only windows why did adobe release emergency patch for all OS, even including the unsupported linux version
21:08	nubbins`	heh
21:08	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: do you have some tumblr blog of photos of (what i assume are) eastern europeans who are weirdly out of place naked?
21:08	mircea_popescu	i just have friends.
21:09	mircea_popescu	and yes its mostly the czech republic
21:10	jborkl	Heh mp has pictures of slush naked
21:10	herbijudlestoids	i dun get it...your friends like to be naked at regular social events?
21:11	mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meikkuNmB41ru15g3o1_1280.jpg jborkl there you go.
21:11	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: What is so hard to believe?
21:11	BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/four-arrested-in-connection-with-philip-seymour-hoffman-1516487250
21:11	ozbot	Four Arrested in Connection With Philip Seymour Hoffman's Death
21:11	mircea_popescu	whoa
21:11	KRS-One	Looks like a fat dyke convention.
21:11	mircea_popescu	foul play ?!
21:11	mircea_popescu	KRS-One he wanted slush
21:11	KRS-One	Probably smells kind of like fish there.
21:11	KRS-One	.bait
21:11	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1illeX1ba1qkm9pho1_1280.jpg
21:11	pankkake	only one nipple pierced, that always drives me crazy
21:11	KRS-One	hahaa
21:11	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: its not that i disbelieve, just not sure i understand
21:11	jborkl	Lol, Santa is creeping me out
21:12	pankkake	how dare you not be symmetrical
21:12	nubbins`	pankkake: many women do this out of concern for future breastfeeding
21:12	KRS-One	pankkake theres a word for that..doesnt mean its bad one way or the other
21:12	pankkake	nubbins`: oh…
21:12	BingoBoingo	Tis the problem with the TSR model. DEA gets all of the meta-NSA tools and the imagination to do parallel reconstruction
21:12	KRS-One	haha drinking pabst blue ribbon beer
21:13	nubbins`	idea is that the fistula formed when the piercing heals can clog milk ducts
21:13	mircea_popescu	piercings don't hurt lactation wtf is that ?!
21:13	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: Would you yourself rather wear clothes or not wear clothes?
21:13	nubbins`	this has been documented
21:13	mircea_popescu	really ?
21:13	nubbins`	yeah
21:13	nubbins`	granted, there are a lot of milk ducts, maybe a dozen or so if i'm not mistaken
21:13	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu nubbins`:ONly if tard operate the needles.
21:13	Vexual	there might be other forces at play here
21:13	nubbins`	but apparently it causes problems frequently enough that it's advised against doing both
21:14	jborkl	Wtf , this is going downhill
21:14	nubbins`	plus, babby's teeth
21:14	BingoBoingo	jborkl: Altcoin is going down?
21:14	nubbins`	or gums, i guess
21:14	nubbins`	don't want him swallowing a barbell
21:14	mircea_popescu	nubbins` obviously you take them off
21:14	Vexual	did they sompare other life choices of the pierced?
21:14	mircea_popescu	kind-of why i think it improbable, the breast changes a lot during pregnancy
21:15	nubbins`	obviously you don't feed your kid poutine for its first meal
21:15	nubbins`	but people do anyway
21:15	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: WHy not?
21:15	BingoBoingo	It's like babyy poridge?
21:15	nubbins`	because it's too healthy
21:15	mircea_popescu	lmao
21:15	BingoBoingo	Lol
21:16	mircea_popescu	pankkake you know, no irl tits are actually symmetrical.
21:16	pankkake	nor are faces, but it's not as bothering
21:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00093465 = 10.055 BTC [-] {2}
21:17	BingoBoingo	pankkake: Faces could be bothering on the Sarah Jessica Parker ass end of asymmetrical
21:17	nubbins`	most people's shoulders aren't even symmetrical
21:17	nubbins`	dominant side is generally higher
21:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18018 @ 0.00092985 = 16.754 BTC [-]
21:17	mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megcvjf8JE1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
21:17	nubbins`	and blade sticks out differently
21:18	nubbins`	hahaha skipper on the right
21:18	mircea_popescu	totally awesome pic
21:18	mircea_popescu	you can even tell where in france it is
21:18	pankkake	OMG. http://i.imgur.com/u9oR6xD.png
21:18	herbijudlestoids	BingoBoingo: depends on the weather :D
21:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 329 @ 0.003048 = 1.0028 BTC [+]
21:18	nubbins`	pankkake, HEH
21:18	pankkake	google images is getting good
21:19	mircea_popescu	you never knew ms horseface ?
21:19	nubbins`	i like it when customized content *just* falls short
21:19	Vexual	i think they might wait for the next bus
21:19	pankkake	isn't ms horseface julia roberts?
21:19	pankkake	but yeah she's a horse too
21:19	nubbins`	got an ad on my facebook feed once for long-distance plans, some rasta saying "call ya bredren dem for free"
21:19	nubbins`	"warmer, facebook... warmer..."
21:20	benkay	they even got the grammar correct my my
21:20	nubbins`	maybe the most relevant thing i've ever read on the site
21:24	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: You use facebook?
21:24	benkay	BingoBoingo: have you heard of Tinder?
21:25	benkay	the kids need computers to just have sex these days
21:25	nubbins`	yeah, it's like that bar all your friends used to hang out at, but now your extended family is there too
21:25	BingoBoingo	benkay: yes I have.
21:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13172 @ 0.00093446 = 12.3087 BTC [+]
21:26	mircea_popescu	what's tinder ?
21:26	benkay	so i actually moved back into the neighborhood in which i grew up.
21:26	nubbins`	benkay, :(
21:26	BingoBoingo	benkay: It's like I go to the bar with all of these friends with smartphones. They fuck around on tinder and I just follow the golden rule of Tits bigger than ass. THen they get jelly.
21:27	benkay	no its great nubbins
21:27	nubbins`	then :D
21:27	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Tinder is like Grindr but not for homos.
21:27	mircea_popescu	uh
21:27	nubbins`	the neighbourhood i grew up is all old people now
21:27	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ass bigger than tits.
21:28	benkay	i like being a part of a family story in a physical location that's endured for a little bit.
21:28	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Whiskey vision.
21:28	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Drunk enough to know I can't be on IRC vision.
21:29	BingoBoingo	Perspective gets a bit... distorted
21:29	nubbins`	Chief Executive Officer of Tinder, Sean Rad, said, "the word ‘dating’ doesn't even mean shit to us. What does that even mean?”[
21:29	nubbins`	lel
21:29	nubbins`	mister rad
21:29	mircea_popescu	me on irc a coupla days ago : "hey, what were your tits/ass measures ?" "40 and 38. why ?" "because mansfield was 40 35"
21:29	BingoBoingo	So a person barely aware of self awareness must... compensate
21:30	mircea_popescu	so i guess you're right, tits bigger than ass it is.
21:30	Vexual	BingoBoingo: shut one eye
21:30	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Mack me
21:30	mircea_popescu	nubbins` he has a point tho. i never dated.
21:30	nubbins`	nor i
21:30	nubbins`	this isn't the 50s
21:30	nubbins`	"wanna go steady"
21:30	BingoBoingo	I dated, it was horrible. Fucking was much better.
21:31	mircea_popescu	in romanian you'd "ask for a girl's friendship" in the 50s
21:31	mircea_popescu	basically... asking for a friendzone ?
21:32	lippoper	S
21:32	lippoper	A
21:32	lippoper	S
21:32	lippoper	S
21:32	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Why aren't you pumpin Altcoin yet?
21:32	lippoper	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18psqC2Xg1qgs3vvo1_500.jpg
21:32	mircea_popescu	he got hired by Max Failser, that's why
21:32	mircea_popescu	he be pumpin' that maxcoin nao
21:32	nubbins`	"At Least 50 Couples Have Gotten Engaged Thanks To Red-Hot Hook-Up App Tinder"
21:32	Vexual	i don't take keister coin
21:32	benkay	but you do take coin in the kiester!
21:32	mircea_popescu	ajaja
21:33	BingoBoingo	What is even the mining stroke for KeiserCoin?
21:33	benkay	up...
21:33	benkay	and down.
21:33	benkay	up...
21:33	benkay	and down.
21:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo 30 second blocks
21:33	mircea_popescu	that shoud be a riot.
21:33	nubbins`	no, up only
21:33	nubbins`	endless pull-out
21:33	nubbins`	Max Forkser
21:33	mod6	pump.... and dump!
21:34	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So GHCQ should squash it in good order with their SYN shit.
21:34	mircea_popescu	incidentally, the 512 second block altchains die out in about 10 days,
21:34	mircea_popescu	when people are done mining the juciest blocks and move on
21:34	mircea_popescu	a 30 second block chain should be exhausted in about... a day.
21:34	BingoBoingo	I really need to make that MD4 coin...
21:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00093637 = 42.8511 BTC [+] {3}
21:35	Vexual	you might wanna close both eyes
21:35	BingoBoingo	Max difficulty within the first hour. It would actually be a useful experiment in how BTC would handle a catastrophic break of SHA-256
21:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7887 @ 0.00093802 = 7.3982 BTC [+] {3}
21:36	Vexual	good point
21:37	BingoBoingo	Thank you Vexual
21:37	benkay	except we've seen coins get diff-pinned before.
21:37	mircea_popescu	ironically, i think btc would be thje safest
21:37	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly
21:37	mircea_popescu	cause watched pot and not *really* that much benefit
21:37	mircea_popescu	various other things, such as banking, however...
21:37	mircea_popescu	owch.
21:38	mircea_popescu	i wouldn't wanna be a tech lead for any bank when sha cracks.
21:38	mircea_popescu	tbh i imagine the security people wake up screaming once a month cause of this]
21:38	benkay	we're all security people now.
21:38	BingoBoingo	Do banks even use SHA-1 yet? Is that "approved" for them?
21:39	mircea_popescu	benkay no i mean specifically, it sec consultants for banks with major customer facing interfaces
21:39	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo sure.
21:40	BingoBoingo	I ask because more consumers were injured in the target hack than will probably ever hold BTC
21:41	mircea_popescu	http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0154244/microsoft-warns-customers-away-from-rc4-and-sha-1
21:41	ozbot	Microsoft Warns Customers Away From RC4 and SHA-1 - Slashdot
21:41	mircea_popescu	just for lolz
21:41	Vexual	gates is audi for real now
21:42	BingoBoingo	I need to come up with something Slashdot worthy. Unless someone else wants to start pumping my Altcoin artile at 07:00 UTC
21:42	benkay	your 15 minutes of fame have passed, BingoBoingo.
21:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
21:43	Plaxant	BingoBoingo I'm surprised r/baseball didn't like the link I posted
21:43	BingoBoingo	benkay: You dedicated Lispers assume one Macro is enough.
21:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]
21:44	BingoBoingo	Plaxant: I will hurt them again. Oncce pitchers and catchers report.
21:45	benkay	i'm nowhere near enough of a lisper to catch your ref, B
21:46	benkay	BingoBoingo ^^
21:46	BingoBoingo	Shame there is no World Baseball Classic this year. Netherlands and Puerto Rico made me a lot of worth much less BTC last year.
21:47	benkay	BingoBoingo: do you use a dedicated bitbet address?
21:47	BingoBoingo	benkay: The code of one input one output.
21:47	BingoBoingo	benkay: Actually I force myself to use several Bitbet addresses
21:48	BingoBoingo	I only advertise the 1lvcunts as belonging to myself but superficial shit can reveal three moar.
21:49	benkay	well on an entirely different topic
21:49	BingoBoingo	Deeper analysis can reveal 8 addresses used that go back to me. Deeper still analysis and you need drugs
21:50	Plaxant	BingoBoingo drugs should always be needed
21:50	Vexual	i hope nubbins' puts a few illustrated blockchain pages in his book, or a whole encyclopedia
21:51	BingoBoingo	Plaxant: Drugs lik everything else should need consent.
21:51	pankkake	I like to have the same address, but I bet more for fun and pride
21:51	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what do you care about ./ anyway
21:52	herbijudlestoids	hahahaha
21:52	herbijudlestoids	http://www.hhspn.com/dmx-george-zimmerman-celebrity-boxing-match-confirmed-rapper-dmx-vs-george-zimmerman/
21:53	herbijudlestoids	anyone seen that southpark episode about zimmeman
21:53	mircea_popescu	"My @YouTube career was born in my bedroom. @Google was born in @SusanWojcicki's garage. Big dreams have humble beginnings "
21:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00477642 = 0.1672 BTC [+] {3}
21:53	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's kind of a rush.I missed most of the actual action when I made it the first time driving into the Icy north.
21:53	mircea_popescu	jesus twitter is insanity.
21:53	benkay	herbijudlestoids if you ever link an autoplaying video again i will straight murder your face
21:53	herbijudlestoids	benkay: apologies. i have all my plugins to only load on click
21:53	benkay	jesus twitter
21:53	Vexual	hey herbi, schapeele might be getting out on the weekend, dya think abbot can fuck up her chances by then?
21:54	herbijudlestoids	Vexual: going on abbotts current track record?
21:54	Vexual	even money huh?
21:54	herbijudlestoids	plus the potential embarrasment for customs?
21:54	herbijudlestoids	id say so :P
21:54	herbijudlestoids	or i should say, it wouldnt surprise me
21:55	Vexual	war might wait til monday
21:56	herbijudlestoids	benkay: do you really let flash and whatnot just load in browser with no control?
21:56	BingoBoingo	^^
21:56	herbijudlestoids	i got noscript, adblock, ad blocking /etc/hosts with ~15,000 hosts blocked...and i still dont let flash or java load unless i click it
21:57	benkay	congratulations, you obviously don't operate in derpy web application zone land.
21:57	BingoBoingo	Why not jsut use lynx?
21:57	mod6	lynx++
21:57	herbijudlestoids	benkay: derpy web applications dont break if you enable "click to load" on plugins...
21:57	benkay	hahaha
21:57	benkay	oh
21:57	benkay	ho ho ho ho ho
21:58	benkay	you have obviously spent much time debugging legacy javascript
21:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00042042 = 0.8408 BTC [-] {14}
21:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 290 @ 0.00501256 = 1.4536 BTC [-] {13}
21:58	herbijudlestoids	also zone land is a tautology :P
21:58	benkay	language is poetry.
21:58	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: What about Mario Zone?
21:58	nubbins`	receipt receipt
21:58	benkay	not programming.
21:59	BingoBoingo	We should make AltLang
21:59	BingoBoingo	Make it super Meta
21:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2013 @ 0.00042 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4}
21:59	herbijudlestoids	benkay: so...youre saying that legacy javascript, breaks, if you enable "click to load" on, say, flash?
22:00	herbijudlestoids	oookkkk
22:00	BingoBoingo	We will basically jsut change all of the labels on steelbank common lisp and offer it as an improvement on Javascript. Even give it a cute Doge pic
22:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 121 @ 0.00475971 = 0.5759 BTC [-] {12}
22:00	benkay	i have learned the hard way to remove sources of indeterminacy from my stack
22:00	benkay	mystery browser plugins are a source of indeterminacy.
22:00	benkay	they always want to do crazy shit to the dom.
22:00	herbijudlestoids	? which mystery browser plugin
22:01	benkay	isolate isolate isolate
22:01	herbijudlestoids	yo, you realise its a native feature in chrome and firefox right
22:01	nubbins`	herbijudlestoids, all the ones you listed
22:01	BingoBoingo	Altlang is going to be best lang
22:01	nubbins`	altlang syne
22:01	herbijudlestoids	nubbins`: the extensions i listed have nothing to do with "Click to Load" which is a native feature of modern browsers...
22:01	BingoBoingo	All this alpha shit is my garage is gonna go to the moon!
22:01	benkay	so then client relations - i want to demo a thing with the UX flow a client spent an ungodly amount of money on. i'm not going to ruin my demo with my personal settings.
22:02	herbijudlestoids	what i said precisely was that even despite those extensions, i still use click to load
22:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00438978 = 0.4741 BTC [-] {11}
22:02	benkay	in any event
22:02	benkay	this is a stupid discussion.
22:02	herbijudlestoids	maybe...im just incredulous
22:02	herbijudlestoids	cant believe people let plugins load auto
22:02	nubbins`	you are alone in your incredulity
22:02	benkay	yeah man
22:03	benkay	people just run java web apps all the time
22:03	benkay	what phone book of actual use story memos did you miss?
22:03	BingoBoingo	Because if it isn't niggers.txt, angles.txt, or saxons.txt it itsn't worth reading?
22:03	nubbins`	-assetsQuarterly.txt
22:04	nubbins`	some of the bash quotes, though funny, aren't fun to draw
22:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00420489 = 0.4289 BTC [-] {8}
22:05	benkay	#49 is one of the better ones
22:05	herbijudlestoids	i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered
22:05	benkay	i want to see an illustration of vexual on the internet by accident
22:05	pankkake	don't forget to draw him upside down
22:06	ThickAsThieves	eccentricity gives +Agility
22:06	pankkake	also Australia
22:07	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You just aren't acclimated yet.
22:07	pankkake	I agree with herbijudlestoids
22:07	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: You have serious potential to stay, but you need to depressurize the space suit and embrrace it.
22:08	herbijudlestoids	yeah, id prefer to ask questions than accept :)
22:08	benkay	breathe the hard vacuum of bitcoin
22:09	herbijudlestoids	i didnt come here to join an echo chamber, but i do try to keep an open mind and ask questions
22:09	benkay	bathe in the sweet sterilizing rays of non-dilutable currency
22:09	herbijudlestoids	i actually stayed because it seems like people are willing to answer those questions to a level that satisfies me
22:09	herbijudlestoids	(even if i disagree)
22:10	benkay	disagreement is the heart of discourse
22:10	herbijudlestoids	^
22:10	benkay	it'd be boring if we all agreed all the time
22:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
22:10	ThickAsThieves	I agree
22:10	pankkake	NO
22:11	BingoBoingo	herbijudlestoids: The first rule of IRC is if it acts the way you anticipated something is wronger
22:11	benkay	unless freenode is under ddos
22:11	herbijudlestoids	what kind of dicks ddos freenode anyway, i want to know
22:11	BingoBoingo	benkay: But that is GHCQBBQOMGWTF
22:11	benkay	who cares
22:11	benkay	it's a fact of life
22:12	herbijudlestoids	well, if its JTRIG, i want to know
22:12	benkay	beyond my pay grade, mate
22:12	nubbins`	i accept it
22:12	ThickAsThieves	the Brits did it right?
22:12	nubbins`	let the s be dd if it wishes
22:14	mircea_popescu	<herbijudlestoids> i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered << bs. nobody here has any opinions.
22:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14217 @ 0.00093446 = 13.2852 BTC [-]
22:15	mircea_popescu	THEY BE FACTS
22:15	BingoBoingo	RichardSherman.txt
22:16	nubbins`	i actually opine fairly often
22:16	jayk	lol
22:16	nubbins`	usually right tho
22:16	nubbins`	so
22:16	BingoBoingo	Aka why the superbowl was as boring as fuck
22:16	jayk	he sprained his ankle
22:16	jayk	sherman was visible upset he wasn't able to show off
22:16	jayk	or run his mouf
22:16	jayk	got carted off the field ...
22:17	mircea_popescu	and now for the real reason herbijudlestoids' decided to stay : http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meelc8j3t01ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
22:17	BingoBoingo	jayk: Shut yout mouth. When he was on the field he crippled Denver, they coudn't dar to try going long.
22:17	jayk	i live in seattle we had a parade today, 750K showed up
22:17	jayk	seattle police only expected about 300 maybe 350K
22:18	jayk	sherman didn't do much during the superbowl and got injured :P
22:19	the20year2	what parade?
22:19	jayk	for the seahawks
22:19	the20year2	oh nice
22:19	the20year2	they deserve it
22:19	jayk	biggest event ever in the history of seattle
22:19	the20year2	Good for them
22:19	BingoBoingo	jayk: He did everything the first 3 and 1/3 quarters.
22:19	benkay	bread and circuses.
22:19	BingoBoingo	jayk: What about Ken Griffey Jr.
22:19	jayk	bigger than the worlds fair
22:19	jayk	bigger than ken griffey
22:19	jayk	bigger than any baseball game
22:20	BingoBoingo	jayk: I dunno... How many stereos did da union take during Stl's 2011 world series parades...
22:20	jayk	well i meant just for seattle
22:21	jayk	sorry :)
22:21	jayk	i didn't go specifically because people are probably still trying to get home..
22:21	BingoBoingo	jayk: It's ok. You can have this totally unwatchable superbowl (for denver reasons)
22:22	jayk	a lot of people turned it off 3/4's into it
22:22	jayk	i was reading about ad placement and the 3/4 time spot was supposed to be the hottest
22:23	mircea_popescu	how did the ad numbers look ?
22:23	jayk	which was where the placed the longest commercial at 2 minutes
22:23	jayk	dunno
22:23	ThickAsThieves	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/
22:23	ozbot	New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica
22:23	ThickAsThieves	(BFL)
22:24	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ads got sold for a lot and were seen little
22:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10111 @ 0.00093383 = 9.442 BTC [-] {2}
22:24	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo %s vs last year ?
22:25	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I don't see an alternative. I went to bed after half time. The game was so poorly matched.
22:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00093268 = 0.6426 BTC [-]
22:25	jayk	that's going to get ugly
22:26	mircea_popescu	was just curious what teh ppl report themselves. afaik it was a complete disaster and probably the turning point for the entire sport
22:26	mircea_popescu	but hey.
22:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10466666 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}
22:27	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I appreciate that as a competitor a great game is humiliating the competition. As a spectator though. I honestly prefer what the BCS offered, an exciting game won as an accident of time.
22:28	jayk	i didnt know there was a BFL scam list
22:28	BingoBoingo	For the college championsip 10 seconds either way on the clock would have changed the win. This Winning by everything sort of game should be a forgetable regular season game.
22:28	jayk	wow i was getting ready to possibly pay them some monies :(
22:30	BingoBoingo	jayk: If you want I mining bond I can offer you BTC equivalent to 0.0125 ml of natural gas per day.
22:30	jayk	oh?
22:31	BingoBoingo	Of course, I can sell 10 of those mining bonds.
22:32	jayk	once this shell fish ban on china passes i can go back to selling them at $50/lb
22:32	jayk	have you seen those things?
22:32	jayk	i live on an island
22:32	jayk	rich in clams
22:32	Vexual	whats that jayk?
22:32	jayk	biggest clam in the world
22:32	jayk	geoducks are 5lb clams
22:32	Vexual	you grow clams?
22:32	BingoBoingo	Geoduck?
22:32	jayk	maybe 8lb if you get lucky
22:32	jayk	nope i dig them
22:32	BingoBoingo	Is that a pokeman?
22:33	jayk	no
22:33	jayk	i guess i could say i "mine" them
22:33	jayk	hehehe
22:33	Vexual	where do you sell them?
22:35	jayk	restaurants or dry ice over seas
22:35	Vexual	into china?
22:35	Mats_cd03	mmm clams
22:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14811 @ 0.00093268 = 13.8139 BTC [-]
22:35	jayk	http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022464264_shellfishbanxml.html
22:36	jayk	they are breeding them now, they were worthless 20 years ago
22:36	ozbot	Geoduck industry fighting China’s shellfish-import ban | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times
22:36	BingoBoingo	Fuck, when does bobsled start, or luge. Betting on hockey is boring.
22:37	Vexual	you just dhl em over on ice?
22:37	jayk	dhl moved out of usa
22:37	jayk	but yes
22:38	jayk	as a kid i could dig 200lbs in an hour
22:38	jayk	i didnt know any better and threw them into the garden as fertilizer
22:38	jayk	for tomato plants
22:46	Vexual	wheres an agrucultural scientician when you need em huh?
22:46	jayk	lol
22:47	mircea_popescu	jayk mmm clams.
22:47	Vexual	there he is
22:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00092985 = 9.2353 BTC [-]
22:48	jayk	oh
22:49	jayk	they are tasty in pesto sauce
22:49	herbijudlestoids	mmm pesto
22:49	Vexual	how do they eat them in china?
22:49	jayk	idk
22:49	mircea_popescu	no clam chowder ?
22:50	jayk	clam chowder is a lot of work to make
22:50	Vexual	how much copper nitrate can they cope with? :)
22:50	nubbins`	clam chowder isn't too bad prep-wis
22:50	nubbins`	e
22:50	nubbins`	lot of separate ingredients to buy, but it's a single-pot meal
22:51	jayk	3hours?
22:51	jayk	potatoes take a long time
22:51	nubbins`	not 3 hours
22:51	nubbins`	20-30 minutes spread over 3 hours
22:52	nubbins`	that's like saying sourdough is a lot of work because it takes 8 hours to make 2 loaves
22:52	jayk	heh
22:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+]
22:52	jayk	nobody wants to wait for their delicious chowder ow...
22:52	nubbins`	i'll spend 3-4 hours cooking a meal several days per week
22:53	Vexual	lets get nigella in for the brochure, she will have a 20 minute version
22:53	nubbins`	the other day, i simmered a dozen sausages in a pot of pasta sauce for an hour and a half ;(
22:53	jayk	i have never made it though i have been thinking about it
22:54	nubbins`	the only problem is that it's a costly meal because you have to buy so many different types of seafood
22:54	Vexual	yes, its so china
22:54	jayk	i could get the clams for free
22:54	nubbins`	but you get a huge pot of it afterwards
22:54	jayk	the ground has been so cold here i bet my potatoes are still hard from last year
22:55	nubbins`	i cellared a few sacks of potatoes today
22:55	cazalla	is it even worth your time to grow potatoes?
22:55	jayk	yes
22:55	cazalla	i grow stuff i can't pick up at the fruit shop
22:55	nubbins`	cazalla: again, it's not much effort
22:55	nubbins`	it's just spread over a long period of time
22:55	jayk	i probably have 1000lbs in the ground or more
22:55	cazalla	not so much the effort but the space they take up
22:55	jayk	they are easy to grow
22:55	nubbins`	you can grow potatoes in containers, it's what i've done
22:55	nubbins`	tall wicker baskets, even a burlap sack
22:56	nubbins`	or go fancy and spend $20 on lumber to build a potato box
22:56	cazalla	i've read you can grow them vertically but i've also read people posting that it doesn't work
22:56	jayk	i tried to grow onions but my ducks trampeled over them
22:56	nubbins`	get 100lbs of potatoes out of it
22:56	Vexual	do you pick 100 or 1000 lbs by hand?
22:56	jayk	yes with shovel
22:57	cazalla	my tomatoes have been shit this year, constant heat wave has just ruined them
22:57	jayk	i only picked about 50lbs
22:57	nubbins`	the deck wouldn't support 1000, it's rickety
22:57	nubbins`	my tomatoes were pretty good this year
22:57	nubbins`	the broccoli all bolted when i was away for two weeks
22:57	jayk	a dear destroyed all my tomatoes
22:57	Vexual	my mangoes were stellar
22:57	jayk	next year i will use fencing
22:57	jayk	or guns
22:57	nubbins`	armed sentries
22:58	nubbins`	farmed sentries
22:58	cazalla	sentry would be sweet
22:58	Vexual	i sent an email to batman and no fruitbats came within a mile
22:58	nubbins`	oh, peas
22:58	nubbins`	i had so many goddamn peas this year
22:58	nubbins`	well, last year
22:58	nubbins`	forgot it's feb ;(
22:58	Vexual	now thats a nice thing to eat very fresh is peas
22:58	cazalla	summer is almost over here so i'll be looking forward to winter for the snow peas
22:58	jayk	mmm peas are so good
22:58	jayk	can eat them all day
22:59	nubbins`	yeah
22:59	Vexual	mmm snowpeas
22:59	nubbins`	i tried sugar sprint peas this year
22:59	nubbins`	really tasty
22:59	nubbins`	really fast too
23:00	nubbins`	http://myfolia.com/plants/1045-snap-pea-pisum-sativum-var-macrocarpon/varieties/4626-sugar-sprint
23:00	cazalla	do you need a trellis for those
23:00	ozbot	Snap pea 'Sugar Sprint' Plant Care & Growing Information | folia
23:00	nubbins`	i used bamboo rods, sorta worked
23:00	nubbins`	trellis would be better
23:00	nubbins`	or even several rods per pot, teepee style
23:00	nubbins`	grew 'em in empty 2L milk containers
23:01	Vexual	excellent food delivered world wide by jet and all bitcoin should be a thing
23:01	nubbins`	drone delivery
23:02	herbijudlestoids	harrrrrrrrr
23:02	herbijudlestoids	fucken cunts
23:02	herbijudlestoids	i work, with fucken cunts
23:02	nubbins`	this type of milk container, if the top is fully opened, is just deep enough for peas and easy to move by hand: http://www.scotsburn.com/images/Prducts/Calcium/UltrSKM.jpg
23:02	nubbins`	herb, quit
23:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00092695 = 23.9617 BTC [-]
23:02	herbijudlestoids	i own a chunk of the company, dont want to quit
23:02	herbijudlestoids	i want them to spend money on servers and switching instead of conferences and meetpus
23:03	mircea_popescu	jesus! so all my life i was of the opinion i can identify diabethics, because i smell it on their breath. bunches of people thought this nutty.
23:03	nubbins`	sweet
23:04	mircea_popescu	talking to doctor person today i find out that a. in diabethics the body uses a lot of fat, creating a lot of ketones
23:04	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis?
23:04	herbijudlestoids	yea
23:04	mircea_popescu	which eventually decarboxylate into acetone
23:04	mircea_popescu	which eventually gets lost through respiration.
23:04	mircea_popescu	(the guy asks me "well, what does it smell like ?" "apples" "but ofcourse. you're smelling acetone.")
23:04	Vexual	something clever
23:05	mircea_popescu	never fucking doubt what you know!
23:05	herbijudlestoids	or just google to confirm :P
23:05	herbijudlestoids	http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000320.htm
23:05	mircea_popescu	i guess so.
23:05	nubbins`	incidentally, this is where the whole "huffing on your fingernails before rubbing them on your lapel" thing came from
23:06	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids don't work with cunts. you play any poker ?
23:06	herbijudlestoids	i dont play poker
23:06	Namworld	You guys should see Bitfinex right now.
23:06	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids mkay. anyway, the idea is you ditch a hand when you know it can't win, not when you're comfortable with the loss.
23:07	Namworld	Someone managed to put a micro ask order for 500 USD/BTC and a bid for 10000 USD/BTC, which are now stuck there.
23:07	mircea_popescu	bitfinex still exists ?!
23:07	Namworld	Let's just say it's breaking having on the shorts/calls
23:07	Namworld	Yes. I was talking about it last month
23:07	mircea_popescu	how do all the scams keep going about like fucking zombies i'll never know./
23:07	Namworld	Saying how it was lasting a long time while I expected it to go under within a month.
23:07	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: if i didnt think the company was about to grow by about 1000% i wouldnt be working here :)
23:08	Namworld	Mircea, there's a lot of people trading on Bitfinex.
23:08	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids a ok then. you don't REALLY think they're cunts huh.
23:08	nubbins`	well if it's gonna do that, fuck the servers and switching ;p
23:08	nubbins`	go to 2x as many "meetups"
23:08	mircea_popescu	Namworld sucks for them i guess.
23:08	Namworld	They can be seen on the Bitcoin price/market/speculation channels. Lot of people short/call on there.
23:08	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: theyre cunts because i should be in charge and everyone should listen to me and do as i say but they dont
23:08	Namworld	I'm on like 20 BTC related channels, watching
23:08	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids kinda proves they shouldn't.
23:09	cazalla	tickles my ego when i know what mircea_popescu is going to say before it's said
23:09	mircea_popescu	cazalla :)
23:09	herbijudlestoids	let me clarify. they are not cunts, until something goes wrong in exactly the way that i predicted if we went down a particular path
23:09	herbijudlestoids	then, they are cunts.
23:10	mircea_popescu	tell them :D
23:10	herbijudlestoids	oh i do!
23:10	mircea_popescu	what do they say ?
23:11	herbijudlestoids	mostly that things are the way they are
23:11	mircea_popescu	uh.
23:11	mircea_popescu	i'll bet you an altcoin this thing isn't growing 1000% in three months.
23:12	Vexual	hey im at this luch, sounds like a good idea
23:12	nubbins`	^
23:12	herbijudlestoids	3-6 months is actually the timeframe
23:12	mircea_popescu	take it or leave it :D
23:12	nubbins`	just think your very own altcoin
23:12	nubbins`	you could call it herbijudlestoidscoin
23:12	mircea_popescu	that you can now owe :D
23:12	mircea_popescu	nubbins` nono, i meant tat's thing
23:12	mircea_popescu	one of them
23:13	Vexual	can't owe for a lunch
23:13	nubbins`	i know ;(
23:13	mircea_popescu	cazalla you know, i'm developing a serious problem with that.
23:13	mircea_popescu	people keep knowing what i'm gonna say and say it first just to spite me
23:14	mircea_popescu	im gonna borrow Vexual's chainz just to mess with people.
23:14	Vexual	um, yeah, sure
23:14	cazalla	i wouldn't do that, i see at as evidence i'm actually learning something
23:14	cazalla	it*
23:15	nubbins`	don't mess with the man's jewelry
23:16	Vexual	yeah its ok
23:16	Vexual	i guess
23:17	Vexual	im not here for a haircut
23:17	nubbins`	who is?! buy clippers
23:17	herbijudlestoids	i think after my company gets bought out im gonna just try and find some small/simple linux sysadmin work
23:17	Vexual	a spoonful of cement perhaps
23:18	nubbins`	http://dpaste.com/1587985/
23:18	ozbot	dpaste: #1587985
23:18	nubbins`	lel
23:18	mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids why not find some small/simple sex work ?
23:19	mircea_popescu	like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?
23:19	nubbins`	yeah
23:19	nubbins`	or giving out handies for bitcents
23:19	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: im probly far less qualified? and i love working as a linux sysadmin on small projects?
23:19	herbijudlestoids	im sick of this scale shit
23:19	herbijudlestoids	running thousands of cores
23:19	Vexual	quit
23:19	herbijudlestoids	soon :)
23:19	herbijudlestoids	well, not quit, but buyout
23:20	Vexual	but the cunts remain
23:21	herbijudlestoids	i just have one last extremely large cloud to build
23:21	herbijudlestoids	maybe ill even get a job in a bookstore or something nice and simple like that
23:22	Vexual	lol
23:22	mircea_popescu	maybe you could work for mr bookman.
23:22	Vexual	ill do your tax
23:23	herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: thats two seinfeld quotes, fan? i grew up watching it
23:23	herbijudlestoids	"its european" and "mr bookman"
23:23	mircea_popescu	i probably watched each episode twenty times.
23:23	Vexual	it was all that was on television here for 10 years
23:23	herbijudlestoids	:D do you like curb your enthusiasm?
23:24	herbijudlestoids	lol vex yea
23:24	mircea_popescu	i never watched that.
23:24	herbijudlestoids	woah what!
23:24	Vexual	trilema
23:24	mircea_popescu	o nm, i did watch five minutes of it. larry david is being awkward while a girlscout selling him cookies gets her period.
23:25	mircea_popescu	it sounds way better in that summary than it actually was.
23:25	nubbins`	^
23:25	herbijudlestoids	i always grew up thinking each of the seinfeld characters has their own special quirks
23:25	herbijudlestoids	but then i watched curb your enthusiasm and realised they are all just bits of larry david
23:25	mircea_popescu	nah.
23:26	herbijudlestoids	yah
23:26	mircea_popescu	i would say larry david's contribution into the show is roughly represented by his total pay.
23:26	mircea_popescu	he made what, like 50mn to seinfeld's 1bn ?
23:26	herbijudlestoids	? his net worth is 750mn
23:26	Vexual	im sending chapelle corby the seinfeld box
23:26	Namworld	[23:19] <mircea_popescu> like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?
23:27	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: unrelated but possibly relevant to you: http://www.notanon.com/zipit/different-linux-distributions-for-the-zipit-z2/2010/05/30/
23:27	Namworld	I'd be all for lifting ban on lack of clothing everywhere.
23:27	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: $ 20 or so.
23:27	jayk	wasn't mr bookman allergic to kamers shirt?
23:27	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sochi-security-airlines-warned-of-explosive-toothpaste-tube-threat-1.2524948
23:27	ozbot	Sochi security: Airlines warned of explosive toothpaste tube threat - World - CBC News
23:28	nubbins`	you'll need to be unconscious and naked to fly within 10 years, just saying
23:28	herbijudlestoids	cuntbreak over, back to cunting
23:28	Vexual	big bada boom in the cab nubbins'
23:28	mircea_popescu	Namworld hardly worth doing without the ban.
23:29	Namworld	I don't see why. It's supposed to be done strictly to go against the rules?
23:30	mircea_popescu	Namworld i generally don't want to see random people naked.
23:30	mircea_popescu	i want to see specific people naked and that's all.
23:31	mircea_popescu	moreover, the awkwardness and disability of the general folk the ban supports and nourishes serves as an adequate representation of their general mental and social inferiority.
23:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00302999 = 0.606 BTC [+] {2}
23:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.0009263 = 28.0206 BTC [-] {2}
23:32	Namworld	Oh, I'd certainly prefer to only see specific people moving around naked and others not.
23:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00302999 = 0.303 BTC [+] {2}
23:32	mircea_popescu	so then there you go. ban serves a useful purpose.
23:33	Vexual	what kinda lead time can i expect for a vespa with vex on the numberplate in romania?
23:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00303 = 0.606 BTC [+]
23:33	Namworld	I would be okay if the ban simply wasn't there at all. Simply because it's silly.
23:34	mircea_popescu	Vexual i have no idea. a few weeks /
23:34	Vexual	the plate neednt be actual
23:34	mircea_popescu	Namworld many silly things are required for society to function.
23:35	Namworld	Perhaps. But is that really required for society to function?
23:35	Vexual	food
23:36	Vexual	and the odd sensible person
23:36	drstevebrule	is that chat about bitcoin markets? because BFX is fucked right now
23:37	Namworld	I was mentioning that earlier.
23:37	drstevebrule	if not, what channel do I go to? cause this is a shit show
23:37	Vexual	what of your life boat seteve?
23:38	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/deer-droppings-lead-to-artistic-protest-in-penticton-1.2523625
23:38	ozbot	Deer droppings lead to artistic protest in Penticton - British Columbia - CBC News
23:39	Vexual	shit that looks like the lamb that brought the fear
23:39	nubbins`	well, doctor, this is as good a place as any to voice your displeasure
23:40	nubbins`	Vexual, it makes me feel funny
23:40	drstevebrule	I told you guys, Im relaxing in my life boat, everyone is starting to really scramble for one now
23:40	nubbins`	that's a lovely wooden stand it's on, though
23:41	Vexual	ug the stand is too two dimensional
23:41	nubbins`	deers can't stand on curved surfaces
23:41	nubbins`	you're thinking goats
23:41	mircea_popescu	drstevebrule say wut ?
23:42	mircea_popescu	o, bitfinex ? dude, srsly, it was identified as a scam a while back, what did you think ?
23:42	nubbins`	http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/11/02/deer_duck_caught.gif
23:43	Namworld	Was it?
23:43	mircea_popescu	is that your prime minister nubs ?
23:43	drstevebrule	every exchange is on crack these days, you can't win haha
23:43	nubbins`	the duck? he resigned
23:43	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140484.0 Namworld
23:43	nubbins`	this is our new prime minister: http://25.media.tumblr.com/50a526a5ec7fd316c4d93142d5f849a2/tumblr_ml9mz7em0Z1qem0zfo1_500.gif
23:43	ozbot	MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so.
23:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.04999554 = 0.6999 BTC [+] {3}
23:44	Vexual	are we allowed vimeo?
23:44	nubbins`	sure, why not
23:44	nubbins`	http://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ba3.jpg
23:44	drstevebrule	BFX seems hacked right now, there is a 10,000 bid that is making me take out more margin then I should actually be allowed to take out
23:44	drstevebrule	its a shit show
23:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00092702 = 32.3066 BTC [+] {2}
23:45	Namworld	Oh... I wouldn't as much label it as a scam than incompetence. Although does the distinction between the two really matter? Same result.
23:45	mircea_popescu	i doubt the distinction matters practically.
23:45	Namworld	But yeah
23:45	Namworld	Yes, it's pretty funny, DrSteve
23:45	Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3hBCrgRJU
23:45	ozbot	KOSHEEN - "GONE" - YouTube
23:46	drstevebrule	that is a really nice painting of our prime minister...
23:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00092947 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2}
23:46	mircea_popescu	drstevebrule this isn't the first time with them, either. one of the two kids split a few months ago, he had a lot of dirt to share re his friend
23:46	mircea_popescu	somehow tho, people never do much research.
23:47	Namworld	There's only one "Gone" video for me... this remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlPo0yCSa4
23:47	drstevebrule	well I didn't do much research, maybe I should hang out here more. I hope I don't get ripped off
23:48	mircea_popescu	you probably will, as in general i've noticed people join here after being ripped off.
23:48	mircea_popescu	befre, they're kings of all matters financial.
23:48	drstevebrule	haha don't say that, i was not ripped off yet
23:49	Vexual	yeah ive redirected you subscrip[tion to bears monthly
23:50	Vexual	not relly
23:50	mircea_popescu	http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?443247-Think-you-know-everything-bitcoin-Meet-Mircea-Popescu-of-Romania&p=5403853
23:50	mircea_popescu	now i know i've made it.
23:50	nubbins`	Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqo90lNYLs
23:51	nubbins`	you can mute if you like
23:51	Vexual	i can handle it
23:51	ozbot	Think you know everything bitcoin? Meet Mircea Popescu of Romania
23:52	Vexual	welcome to yesterday
23:52	drstevebrule	wow, i really am not good enough to be here. fuck - sorry guys
23:52	mircea_popescu	and now it's time for...
23:52	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajcEZ5Z-x8
23:52	ozbot	Animaniacs - Nighty Night Toons - YouTube
23:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
23:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1179 = 0.2358 BTC [-]
23:57	nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jGaio87u3A
23:57	ozbot	Deepest Mandelbrot Set Zoom Animation ever - a New Record 10^275 (2.1E275 or 2^915) - YouTube
23:59	nubbins`	i actually had to turn it off
23:59	Vexual	quite deep

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