#trilema | 2014-01-25

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 109 @ 0.00093 = 0.1014 BTC [+]

00:06

lmao

00:06

evidence of why you want your own money

00:06

"it's mine"

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The bank said it did not have to tell him. "As this was not a change to the Terms and Conditions of your bank account, we had no need to pre-notify customers of the change," HSBC wrote.

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derp. how much money of your own money you can have is not part of the terms.

00:08

dude i should run mpex like that, srlsy.

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as a service

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sorry you can't withdraw 100btc for that Tesla

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course "large" cash withdrawals actually means pocket change

00:10

a large cash withdrawal is more than what'd be needed to pay for the most expensive dwelling.

00:10

that'd be about 5 to 10 million or so.

00:10

5k is like... grocery money.

00:11

pay your mom back money

00:12

Hancock has been shady for so long so blatantly why does anyone let them have any money at all?

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anyway, some war gotta break out soon somehwere.

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it's just about there

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hsbc not Hancock...

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"Despite the problems of becoming a social outcast, which I described at last year's World Economic Forum, I have been lucky enough to get the chance to attend the conference again."

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http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72502000/jpg/_72502282_mugshot.jpg

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00100422 = 7.381 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6000 @ 0.00048 = 2.88 BTC [+]

01:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00100422 = 6.0253 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 586 @ 0.000931 = 0.5456 BTC [+]

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.d

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http://wagesforfacebook.com/

2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 1901 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.1064% in 11d 23h 57m 36s

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02:17

punkman

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Wages For Facebook

02:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.50899998 = 6.108 BTC [+] {3}

02:32

Namworld

Can someone take the website down please?

02:33

Namworld

the -> that

02:33

Namworld

My eyes...

02:42

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4166 @ 0.00048 = 1.9997 BTC [+]

02:49

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02630005 = 0.3419 BTC [-] {3}

02:52

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 114 @ 0.00090133 = 0.1028 BTC [-] {2}

03:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4282 @ 0.00100297 = 4.2947 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00464999 = 0.1395 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00100337 = 27.2415 BTC [+] {4}

03:36

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003087 = 0.3087 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 191 @ 0.00308799 = 0.5898 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 703 @ 0.00046879 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {4}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 254 @ 0.00308854 = 0.7845 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00308977 = 0.3986 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.0030929 = 0.6124 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8685 @ 0.00100448 = 8.7239 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49999999 = 4.5 BTC [-] {3}

04:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19771 @ 0.00100369 = 19.844 BTC [-]

04:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00100448 = 2.7121 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25942 @ 0.00100499 = 26.0715 BTC [+] {3}

05:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9958 @ 0.00100702 = 10.0279 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 902 @ 0.00301277 = 2.7175 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.003 = 0.6 BTC [-]

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.d

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2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 1864 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.6180% in 11d 19h 49m 52s

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00311215 = 9.3365 BTC [+] {11}

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[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00313913 = 0.6278 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00100665 = 21.5926 BTC [-] {2}

08:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17771 @ 0.00100609 = 17.8792 BTC [-]

08:17

!t m x.eur

08:17

[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0016745 / 0.00167451 / 0.00169831 (1201 shares, 2.01 BTC), 7D: 0.00166612 / 0.0016776 / 0.00175 (2339 shares, 3.92 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00185475 / 0.00333333 (16189 shares, 30.03 BTC)

08:24

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3190 @ 0.00313914 = 10.0139 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00413533 = 0.4135 BTC [-] {9}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45200001 = 0.904 BTC [-] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02849998 = 0.171 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02869995 = 0.3444 BTC [+] {2}

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02897999 = 0.3767 BTC [+] {2}

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09:02

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 122 @ 0.00454794 = 0.5548 BTC [+] {4}

09:15

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.msg4729286#msg4729286 let mpoe-pr (con)descend upon me

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09:15

Problem with BOURSE forced buyback on Cryptostocks

09:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00446415 = 0.4464 BTC [-] {9}

09:28

"The cofounder (forensick) left the company and told me he has not seen any bitcoins from the IPO and moreover was left with some outstanding debt by Markus Weiler (dotcoin)."

09:29

no srsly, you people keep doing this shit.

09:29

stop doing it. it is stupid.

09:30

everyone is like insane, feels this irresistible urge to shill for the first scammer that comes by with honeyed lips.

09:31

it's like virgin highschooler kids getting married at 17 to support some random ho.

09:31

jurov there you go.

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you mean i'm shilling for forensick?

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no.

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i mean, take this guy. he becomes a cofounder right ?

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why ?

09:33

well... cause someone was "being professional". herp.

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yes, he appeared toward me as one

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and then... his name is used there, right ?

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and then... it all blows up, and it turns pout he was in fact no cofounder.

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he was just... an idiot.

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.bait

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http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzknmv1XsH1qzkm8ro1_1280.jpg

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yes, something like that.

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with nothing better to do with his time, with no idea what a name is and how it works, with nothing at all.

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i could name names of people doing exactly the same, with fake miners, with bs of all sorts. i won't.

09:34

How elegant, artful..the fuck? Just give me some fucking porn, ozbot.

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point remains, this is being done too fucking often.

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stop thinking that words matter. someone calling you a cofounder and you're all tickled pink ?

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stop enabling fraud.

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Some want to feel important, even if they are making the same buck.

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this happens to be the definition of idiocy.

09:36

you are better off with two friends than with two hundred "friends" who mostly come by to steal things from your house and take bank loans with copies of your id they obtained while you weren't looking.

09:36

well, what would you do? ask for their contract comes to mind

09:36

(back in september)

09:37

jurov suppose one day you're walking down the street and some guy offers you a joint. do you take it or do you figure "hey, a fuckwit i never saw before is trying to get me drugged up" ?

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09:37

i mean... this is really 9 yo stuff. do not go to the strip club with perfect strangers.

09:37

Who owns this channel anyway? Can I be Potentate, Ombudsman, #bitcoin-assets

09:37

KRS1 no, you can not.

09:37

Asst. Ombudsman?

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Co-Assistant.

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honestly, it depends on my frame of mind. i can be incredibly stupid in exactly the wrong moment

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so that's what i do. i don't deal with people i don't know. i test. i build histories. i check histories.

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i review references.

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what, some guy that has no wot, no presence, that i don't know suddenly has an idea ? suddenly can be a ceo ?

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no, he cant.

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look at neobee for an instructive example.

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we're not equal, even if we can type the same strings in a box they still aren't the same strings. depends whose name signs on them. we're not equal, even if two people have "the same idea", in one head it's an idea, in another head it's nothing.

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10:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00444 = 0.1909 BTC [-]

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this joint, is it already lit?

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[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 375 @ 0.00440001 = 1.65 BTC [-] {5}

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it's nonstop, if a bit silent sometime

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haha.

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nice reply, altho i was responding to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2014#459344

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heh that

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mircea_popescu: you tell someone to build the history for you, *then* you just come and build, check, review, whatever

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i don't know even where to look for someone who could reliably do such service for me

10:21

jurov this is true. you can practically either piggyback on me, piggyback on someone else, or else do it yourself.

10:21

when i bitch and whine that we need more ppl doing blogging well this is part of it. what are you to do ?

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lrn2blog!

10:21

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00100543 = 9.9538 BTC [-] {2}

10:21

man, this hsbc stuff is nuts

10:22

Mr Cotton says the staff refused to tell him how much he could have: "So I wrote out a few slips. I said, 'Can I have £5,000?' They said no. I said, 'Can I have £4,000?' They said no. And then I wrote one out for £3,000 and they said, 'OK, we'll give you that.' "

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blogging... i tried to write something and it felt too stupid immediately the next day

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course if mr cotton had said "either you fill this bag with money or else i come with my lawyer and you'll have to fill HIS bag on top of mine, and on your own account"

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that'd have resolved it.

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jurov i don't mean you personally, at any point in this conversation, neither above (i was discussing the cofounder guy, whose responsibility it is whether he knows or not) nor here, it's not like you have to do due dilligence work if you have no experience, training or talent for it.

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point remains tho, due dilligence does not go away. it is either done one way or the other, but it has to be done.

10:25

well the question is why this isn't in court already

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"The reason being we have an obligation to protect our customers, and to minimise the opportunity for financial crime. However, following feedback, we are immediately updating guidance to our customer facing staff to reiterate that it is not mandatory for customers to provide documentary evidence for large cash withdrawals, and on its own, failure to show evidence is not a reason to refuse a

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withdrawal. We are writing to apologise to any customer who has been given incorrect information and inconvenienced."

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well

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nubbins` it's not in court because a) the court is a government subsidiary, and the government knows the bank is out of capital.

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it'd be an awkward way to push its bankruptcy

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nod

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also because b) the law is so written so that the government and its subsidiaries are immune from law,

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Mr Cotton has likely been widthdrawing #3k per day since that incident

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and so no third party could in fact use the court of the government against the bank of the government.

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i wonder when they'll tell him he can't anymore

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also, i've decided that # is a suitable way to denote GBP on a US keyboard

10:35

http://i.giflike.com/zOArEQC_dg.gif

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aww poor kid. what's he doing way over there ?

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hahaha i have no idea

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prolly tried to score a goal ;(

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that's an NHL arena, btw

10:49

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51899999 BTC [+]

10:50

"You are dropped penniless into a village in the middle of England in the year 1500. You maintain all your current knowledge. How would you make your way to the top?"

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"Well I'm black. So I guess I wouldn't."

10:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00100759 = 13.6025 BTC [+]

11:02

"even Fuctapple can’t fuck up a browser to the degree it breaks the web." <-- quite the opposite, apple played a large part in turning webkit into the beauty it is today

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imagine, a browser with built-in dev tools.

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on-the-fly DOM editing, javascript console

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<nubbins`> "Well I'm black. So I guess I wouldn't." lmao

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sure you would. they had black people in 1500 england.

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at the top? :0

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another commenter wondered whether being strung up on a rope counted as being "at the top"

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lol

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depends on your top, but there were rich merchants

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heck, disraeli was jewish

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you obviously couldn't have ended up the queen, as a black male.

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at any rate, othello was black.

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too true

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also, "dark lady"

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they had black hos

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huh, england had a queen for almost half of the 1500s

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who knew!

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thing about living in the new world is that there's less history to remember

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:p

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http://www.thetelegram.com/Business/2014-01-24/article-3587849/AG-points-out-low-uptake-in-cranberry-farm-acreage/1

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AG points out low uptake in cranberry farm acreage - Business - The Telegram

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During the five-year program, the province failed to meet its own guidelines for recordkeeping by not always obtaining business plans before government funding was provided. In some cases, the province also failed to obtain complete financial information from farmers receiving funding.

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"Yeah, we don't have our business plan ready yet" "Fuck it, here's your grant!"

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derp

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and then jurov feels bad.

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such feels

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431207.0

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DISCO HITLER BABIES

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the Goods subforum is fucked

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lol

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"I made a handful of these a few years ago. I currently can only find 2. I may have given the rest away or sold them, I cant remember. I'm asking $50 each for them shipped in the lower48 (at bitstamp rate)."

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wait...

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he can't remember what he did with the rest of the turds and wants me to pay 50 for the extant ones ?

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fuck you dude, i can't remember what i did with all my 50s

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heheh

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have some chewed chewing gum

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even if there were only two ever made, tho...

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two 50s ?

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nah, two hitler dolls

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yeah, right. that's happening.

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he has copywright on hitler and monopoly on plastic doll manufacturing.

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there are a couple of guys, this Drahog fella and The Butter Zone, that sell the most random shit

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some of it's neat tho

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=359006.0

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portraits, commissions, and original paintings by Maureen Gubia

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neroporcamiseria.com ? lol

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hm, these are weird

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actually is racism something… new?

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was racism big, say, 2000 years ago?

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lel

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ever wonder why it had to be explicitly said that the good samaritan was good?

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racism is new in the sense that the observation that people belong to different races is new

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only became cogent once transportation became possible.

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racism was more localized in the past

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otherwise, it was ethnocentrism, like the way twop small towns hate each other's football team

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er yeah

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there's a word for that ;(

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xenophobia ? somewhat.

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doesn't quite capture it tho, huh

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http://oms-b.org/source_files/2.jpg

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it comes from 5000 years of experience iwth the notion that "people yu don't know will likely rape you", something which comes full circle with the earlier discussion re cryptoscams.

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and that itself stems from the animal instinct to fear the unknown

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not much different from a pet bird panicking when a new toy is placed in his cage

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which, again, stems from sense.

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xenophobia is actually sane; it's people not in the WoT

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ha

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and defiance towards nomads, too

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speaking of stems and animals

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i suspect that i'll be receiving a copy of the codex seraphinianus for my birthday next week

11:27

why not the voynich manuscript

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apparently amazon is out of stock

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;p

11:27

this would actually be a fun way to make a zine

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gibberish text and fantastical drawings

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ultimate asshole thing to do : spy on what people get you for your bday

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give them the same thing only better, on the spot.

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hahaha

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she gets you a pair of socks ? get her superluxury garter belts. exchange gifts

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"oh, cool.... thanks... i actually got you a little gift too"

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:D

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"NBD tho"

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yup. be all cool and w/e about it

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"ah... the regular edition... cool"

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rip out a page, roll it up and smoke it

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:D

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naaa

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just put it on the shelt

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shelf*

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heh

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"cool..."

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"hey, can i see yours?"

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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxdfgkJT9s1qgwtuco1_1280.jpg

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that shit is weird on the level of that guy who painted cats

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what's his name..

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louis wain

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https://www.google.ca/search?q=louis+wain&tbm=isch

11:33

okay, i've gotta go try to vacuum some of this mucus out of my face and get to work

11:33

more countertops and shelves to be installed

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[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02670003 = 0.3204 BTC [-] {2}

11:43

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1w397k/justdicecom_a_bitcoin_gambling_site_is_very/ reddit declares jd a scam!

11:43

just-dice.com a Bitcoin Gambling Site is Very Likely Scamming Investors : Bitcoin

11:44

;;gpg ident

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Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.

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;;gpg eauth

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(gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

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;;gpg eauth mircea_popescu

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Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

11:45

;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2e6195d15b2c01a8966238fa3e5f01154ac275f02c4121bd6632669e

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You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

11:46

;;rate chetty 5 S.MG CTO, long history

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 81 @ 0.00475339 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}

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[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 23 @ 0.00477499 = 0.1098 BTC [+] {2}

11:51

;;rate diametric 1 mechanical engineer guy, S.NSA subcontractor

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;;rate pankkake 1 python dev

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;;gpg eauth asciilifeform

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Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-96-241-145-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7

11:53

;;rate bingoboingo 3 blogs, bets, plays chess drunk.

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;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c6f53e203890629be816dc0b454353bee2dfdbbb22b0a28e1fb2bf0e

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You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7

11:55

;;rate diametric 1 maestro of mechanicals, S.NSA

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11:57

;;rate mircea_popescu 5 sorcerer of the forces of good, and overall fun guy.

11:57

Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.

11:58

now to get alan schwartz to wot.

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;;rate bingoboingo 2 retrocomputing archaeology enthusiast, intelligent commentary.

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BingoBoingo has 3 blogs?

12:01

pankkake this is lisp syntax w/o the (s

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oh ><

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20802 @ 0.00100951 = 20.9998 BTC [+] {5}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00101343 = 14.5934 BTC [+] {3}

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http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2014-01/notwehr-nsa-spionage-us-botschaft

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[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1361 @ 0.00008501 = 0.1157 BTC [+] {3}

12:10

botch-schaft ? the germans have a name for the us intel ops by now ? like gesellschaft except without any gesell and with a boatload o' botch ?!

12:14

so zee germans are going to start bombing us embassies in germany.

12:14

truely this terrorism fighting concept has worked wonders, by the time you have european union citizens ready to bomb your shit on general principle.

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I'm glad I don't live in the eu

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why the eu specifically ?

12:17

millions of poor Arabs and Africans waiting for the opportunity to flood over the border and fuck your women

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what, you think women are made of soap ?

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it doesn't wear out, yo.

12:18

They do when there are 3 foreign refugee males for every 1 male national

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i fail to see it. i didn't perceive much difference among the women i fucked when i lived in my own country or when i lived in countries nominally held by other people. suppose i visit france, wherein all MY women have already been overrun, specifically by the french.

12:19

magically... there was no shortage of anything, nor any lack of quality.

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punkman1

sounds like another version of "they took our jobs"

12:21

for that matter... xtians and arabs have been swapping womenz for > 900 years by now.

12:21

doesn't seem to have hurt anything.

12:22

turkish janissary ruling caste comes to mind.

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aka "the people that jealously guarded their baseless supremacy to the point their ruined the greatest empire in the world"

12:23

yes, them.

12:24

I'm anticipating the day Muslim extremism _really_ takes off

12:24

have you ever lived in a muslim country ?

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i don't mean as a tourist. i mean in the bed of local women.

12:24

Maybe after a us president lets one off the chain and destroys a nice black rock

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No

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yeah well. i'll propose to you that perhaps your anticipation is more a figment of your virginal fears than actual experience of the world.

12:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00101286 = 20.8143 BTC [-]

12:29

Mats_cd03: also helps to distinguish between what one might call 'the real thing,' and the american export knockoff product.

12:30

I spend a lot of time with active mil guys and policy analysts and I'll suspend my jokes to say that extremism is a serious transnational problem...there are academics like paul graham that believe a rogue nuke will be definitely be used in the next two decades

12:30

Mats_cd03 i think a nuke will definitely be used too, whether in x time or not notwithstanding.

12:30

so what of it ? tokio just got hit by a nuke, and they claim they didn't even notice it.

12:31

Mats_cd03: half-life of tritium in the boosters is ~13 yrs. 'use it or lose it.'

12:31

town doesn't even need evacuation, water is fine, all is well. just ask the jap govt.

12:31

But yes one day I will find a nice local and make many mixed justice babies

12:32

i had no idea graham became an academic meanwhile.

12:32

til, as he'd say.

12:33

but that aside : global terrorism is the solution, not the problem. the government is the problem, and in characteristic fashion it tries to paint the solution as "the problem".

12:33

just like... you know, acording to the soviet politburo the reason there was famine were the kulaks.

12:33

read german material re: partizan hunting sometime. reads just like u.s. 'counter-insurgency' doctrine.

12:33

so it does.

12:34

so it would have to.

12:34

Oops...Graham Allison. I had HN on the mins

12:34

sane minds applied to the same real problem yield similar results. german cars sort-of look like american cars for the reason that... well... road, wind, gravity...

12:34

^mind

12:34

except the 'jaegers' were somewhat good at what they did.

12:35

dude srsly ? that guy was born in carolina and lived at harvard. the notion that he can be an academic, or intellectually respectable... how ?

12:35

what'd he know ?

12:35

perhaps softer gravity, smoother roads...

12:35

something he read ? ty. not interesting.

12:35

asciilifeform yeah, they only had one guy to answer to. all systems which are build around a spot where the buck stops outperforms systems bereft of such.

↖

12:36

fuhrerprinzip.

12:36

the fact that this is a surprise to anyone is the real surprise.

12:36

the fact that this is a surprise to anyone is the real surprise to no-one in particular.

12:37

"Give me Coins" website hacked, 10K Litecoins worth $230k stolen

12:37

o,o

12:37

litecoins worth usd, i still have trouble getting my head around it.

12:37

"The attackers have most likely exploited an SQL Injection vulnerability."

12:37

heh

12:37

How is terrorism the solution

12:37

Guess they gave em coins

12:37

Also sqli lol

12:37

speaking of graham, http://www.paulgraham.com/ff.html

12:38

oldest trick in the book

12:38

Mats_cd03 renders bureaucracy too expensive and so the whole thing collapses.

12:38

KRS1, you mean http://give-me-coins.com/ ?

12:38

i think

12:38

"The professional multicoin pool"

12:38

so professional indeed

12:38

as bureaucracy always entrenches itself against any sort of downsizing, this is the only available method.

12:38

FBI warns retailers to expect future breaches

12:39

ty fbi, very useful, how much fiat did it cost ?

12:39

There is a shortage of at least one million cyber security experts.

12:39

Bureaucracy is expensive at any price point

12:39

that's okay, there's an oversupply of at least ten million doods patting each other on the back.

12:39

I'm not sure what side i want to be on anymore

12:40

KRS1 i thought you were on the nudie side.

12:40

so tempting they're practically inviting

12:40

I'm always on the nudie side

12:40

.bait

12:41

;;seen ozbot

12:41

ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 57 minutes and 22 seconds ago: <ozbot> just-dice.com a Bitcoin Gambling Site is Very Likely Scamming Investors : Bitcoin

12:41

woa

12:41

waitwut ?!

12:41

ozbot spreading fud?

12:41

;;seen dooglus

12:41

dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?

12:41

meh

12:41

lol

12:42

its a tittle from url to reddit

12:42

'cyber security experts' are being supposedly minted here around the clock, and yet the folks i work for couldn't find one kid who could so much as operate 'ida pro', in ~6 mo. of trying.

12:42

<pankkake> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1w397k/justdicecom_a_bitcoin_gambling_site_is_very/ reddit declares jd a scam!

12:43

lol reddit declares shit.

12:43

the kids and their delusions of grandeur.

12:43

"Thankfully, Coinbase said it would take six days to get my Bitcoin and so I didn't have it available to make an investment in the bankroll of the just-dice website."

12:43

this is a valid point.

12:44

w/e was saying the same thing re bitbet, "bitcoins being locked here prevents the owner from losing it"

12:45

"The names of the players on the site are unusual (it is like someone got a book of american names without a real understanding of why americans would be unlikely to either have or pick those screenames)"

12:45

best proof.

12:45

"The chat room on the site is very active but the conversations there are unusual and non-linear. It has the feeling of looking busy with no real context at times and at others the conversation is very linear."

12:45

bwahahaha this is great. "hey guise i am new to internet stuff, it's all fake rite ???"

12:46

a gem. ty p

12:46

lol mircea

12:46

huh, radicalization is cool!

12:47

cads until someone loses an eye. then it's hysterical.

12:47

but anyway, what are you up to these days ?

12:47

just chilling, studying and working

12:48

what's new on your side of the lake?

12:48

suddenly disappeared means either got a kid, got a habit or else scammed a buncha coins. what is this work and study you speak of.

12:49

I study at the university, and work as a machinist

12:49

well on this side of the lake as you can see, we're preparing to set on fire us embassies, or something. basically everyone's in agreement there shall be a war, still ironing out where exactly.

12:49

my study is mostly math

12:49

but also some econ and finance

12:50

anyway you can apply some of that study to bitcoin finance for great justice ?

12:50

hehe, it would be neat to develop some pricing models when I learn that math

12:50

do newly-elected german chancellors still have to fly to washington to get secretly sworn into muppethood?

12:51

afaik that dropped in the 90s

12:51

mircea_popescu: I'd imagine there are people that have already adapted models for things like the the bitcoin options trading house

12:51

cads seriously now : it's a vast field, it's by far the most important thing happening on planet earth for now, the majority of people "involved" are carpenters by trade, if not professional welfare leeches.

12:51

great time to do some foundational work.

12:52

best thing is, any hypothesis in the field is immediately testable, all you need is a computer.

12:52

yeah, earlier on I figured that I could probably do some awesome research in finance just by reflecting on bitcoin and continuing to learn math

12:53

also publish it somewhere.

12:53

you don't realise it now, but in a decade being able to point to a verifiable 10 year history will mean you can have any job you want.

12:53

supposing you for some insane reason actuyally want a job in cacademia.

12:59

people already adapted models? who? where?

12:59

well the mpoe bot for one but i dunno if that counts for people

13:00

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share

13:00

i mean, outside of that. and it's still far from profitable (for bondholders)

13:01

it's profitable for the bondholders who insist on a good rate

13:01

it's complicated

13:01

it's a good fleecing of those who're willing to settle for .45 or whatever it was hovering at before the last hammering

13:01

benkay did you see the stats?

13:02

yeah stats assume you're invested each month

13:02

right? unless i misread that spreadsheet

13:02

so your investor would read from crystal ball "withdraw in march and november"

13:03

no no no

13:03

just don't chase rate around. leave bond deposit requested premium nice and high. forego interest during periods of low interest, capture the high interest periods after the bot gets hammered in a given month.

13:04

the stats as reported are overall, and moreover they misrepresent data in a sort of implicit leveraging

13:04

(the sums not used even if available each month are not reported)

13:05

that would work if the bonds did not eat themselves.

13:05

you can ask 30% mpbor, but you never actually get it

13:05

and end up actually worse in total than people who asked 4%

13:06

how worse ?

13:07

if you ask 4% , you can get 4% every month compounded while btc rate is stable

13:07

if you ask 30% then you get nothing while btc rate si stable

13:07

and when there is loss you cover it alike with all the other bonds

13:08

well, unless mpoe makes 25% profit on a stable month and there's nobody else there, in which case you walk away with 25%

13:08

*IF* your bond gets used.

13:08

I still don't get wtf Hearn is doing at the foundation's head position

13:09

Apocalyptic nobody honest wanted the job ?

13:09

jurov well yes, it's a longshot.

13:09

chasing return on btc is a great way to loose btc

13:09

har arguably the best thing to do with 100 btc is put it on deposit as a bond with MPOE at like 50%

13:10

you won't make any money, but you won't lose a terrible lot either

13:10

20% (or dunno how much it was) isn't terrible lot?

13:10

his theory is that when shtf and bonds get eaten up you may lose.

13:10

however, the capital needs as a volume of btc and the losses as a % are not necessarily correlated too well.

13:11

at least imo

13:11

actually, because if you ask 50%, then EVERYONE, even people who asked 4% will get it

13:11

thus, loss is practically guaranteed

13:11

if you get touched. yes.

13:11

i stil ldon't see how is loss guaranteed ?

13:11

i was halfway joking jurov

13:11

yes, that case

13:12

suggesting that you wouldn't get touched at that rate

13:12

jurov basically you seem to me to proceed on the theory that "large capital needs" necessarily means "mpoe makes a loss". this seems baseless.

13:12

^^

13:12

i rather would like to see how you can get touched at that rate and *not* end up with a loss.

13:13

this requires your bond be bigger than sum of all the others

13:13

jurov let's model things for a second.

13:13

bonds : 10 btc at 10%, 40 btc at 15%, 10 btc at 50%

13:13

1st month : 5 btc profit, 15 btc capital needed.

13:14

10 gets 1.5, 40 gets .75, the remainder 2.75 goes to shareholders.

13:14

right ?

13:14

won't the 40 get 15% too?

13:14

yes, 15% on 5 btc

13:15

ok. i'm following.

13:15

2nd month : 150 btc profit, 55 btc capital needed.

13:15

10 gets 5, 40 gets 20, 10 gets 2.5

13:15

shareholders get 122.5 btc

13:15

moment... did mpoe ever made 3x needed capital?

13:16

i don't know right off, but are you proposing that two years of mpoe covers the entire universe of possibilities, and nothing new will ever happen in the future ?

13:16

my opinion is that it's extremely unlikely

13:16

and that's fine.

13:17

moving on : 3rd month. 30 btc loss, 51 btc capital.

13:17

10 loses 5.9, 40 loses 23.5, 10 loses .59

13:18

the 30btc loss already includes 25.5 btc paid as premium?

13:18

pankkake, you said earlier the payment protocol looks fine to you, did you know Hearn pushes for SSL to be part of it with all the centralized cert authority issues it implies ?

13:18

jurov no, these are net

13:19

Apocalyptic he said it looks fine ?!

13:19

yeah, let me dig that up

13:19

I said it's OK except for the reliance on CAs :)

13:20

el sueno de la razon...

13:20

oh, missed the except part then :=

13:20

how is it ok even without cas.

13:20

I just see it as a better way to do <a href="bitcoin:whatever">

13:20

so then the total loss attributed to bonds is 55.5 BTC... rather extreme example

13:20

mircea has a point here

13:21

jurov yes, the point of modelling is to go through the extremes

13:23

pankkake what is your definition of "better way" ? like, instead of a woman telling you when she's ready to fuck, she wears a collar sold in a shop which beeps ?

13:23

is this a better way to fuck, iyo ?

13:24

"because this way the woman can't lie about when she feels like getting laid"

13:24

as if this is a problem that actually needs a solution at any point.

13:24

well women should wear collars, but I disagree on the collar implementation

13:25

suppose you let them pick ?

13:25

unless you're an impotent fuckwit with delusions of self-importance who imagines that if he's eaten catered food under enough cheap false ceilings he now has something to say on this - or any other - topic.

13:26

and that periphrase does not only name mike hearn, even if it fits him so well. in fact, there's a legion of this sort of scum floating about.

13:26

part of the beauty of the bitcoin protocol resides in how simple it is to just have an address and like mircea said this is a solution to a non-problem

13:26

they're the people we wish to kill, and they're the reason we even work with bitcoin in the first place

13:26

so they may be killed.

13:26

it doesn't change the bitcoin protocol though

13:27

it's just a wallet feature

13:27

well the problem with the main fiat economies is usury

13:27

so they claim.

13:27

they didn't change the term of service, either

13:27

you just can't take your own money out of your own bank anymore, is all.

13:27

what would be interesting to know is that if at some point they would go for it, how widely accepted would be a fork that preserves the actual model

13:28

Apocalyptic extremely widely accepted. here's a secret of polychinelle : starting with about 6.0, the versions of bitcoin fromn the so called "dev team" have just about zero support.

13:28

sure, reddit uses them. reddit has no bitcoin.

13:28

what's worse, reddit has no brain.

13:28

most bitcoiners have no brain

13:28

in other terms, how many people woud actual not blindly run to bitcoin.org to update because they heard they should

13:28

people with no money and no brains don't count in this world.

13:29

the early bitcoiners are some really aweful people

13:29

Dimsler, that makes me worried

13:29

Apocalyptic pretty much everyone that knows me won't, for one.

13:29

why they are being replaced with real developers

13:29

mircea, one can hope :)

13:29

and institutionalized investors

13:29

myeah.

13:29

the bitcoiner of 2012-2013 is hopefully going to disappear with the tier 2 development

13:30

Dimsler the idea is to replace institutionalised investors with mpex, not to shittify bitcoin by having it look more like something dimon might easily wrap his head around.

13:30

tier 2 development?

13:30

ya, wut ?! 2012 is tier 3 already.

13:30

tiers?

13:30

well w/e, i presume he means waves.

13:30

;;diff

13:30

2.193847870174279E9

13:30

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02897997 = 0.1739 BTC [+]

13:30

um, so we modelled the mpoe extremes and claim problem solved?

13:31

jurov i was waiting for you to ok it as i had a 4th month

13:31

ah ok

13:31

er..

13:31

4th month : profit 3 btc, capital 60 btc.

13:31

10 gets .5, 40 gets 2, 10 gets .5

13:31

i'm hoping on some of the eastern european development teams push multi sig and colored coins

13:32

again, net. on paper in fact they get 5 btc, of which 4.5 btc comes out of their capital, so they are left with 5.5 on the books,

13:32

and get paid 5 btc in cash

13:32

they've already grew btc-e on pure anonymininty

13:32

Dimsler you're way behind on your reading.

13:32

colored coins died in 2012.

13:32

;;google why i nixed colored coins

13:32

OP_CHECKCOLORVERIFY: soft-fork for native color coin support ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253385.0>; Treasury: We won't mint a platinum coin to sidestep the debt ceiling: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/12/treasury-we-wont-mint-a-platinum-coin-to-sidestep-the-debt-ceiling/>; Money and Coins - K-4 Activities: EnchantedLearning.com: (1 more message)

13:32

whoa check it out, google went on a relevancy break

13:32

http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/

13:32

Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:32

there, a year ago almost to the day

13:32

i've read a bit about this

13:33

in essence its not specifically coloured coins

13:33

but what about the issuance of an asset

13:33

based on a blockchain address

13:33

as proof of stake

13:33

issuance of assets is not something that should ever be public facing.

13:33

let the prospective issuer get the ok of someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about first.

13:34

just for the record, there is the (so far entirely theoretical) possibility of movement in the other direction

13:34

e.g. crypto-blind block chain, etc.

13:34

how you mean ?

13:35

jurov now, these are more or less the edges of the space.

13:35

is your argument that the average provably converges away from the center ?

13:35

the various schemes for mathematically-founded anonymity

13:35

but as a game-theoretic construct i mean

13:36

moment, all considered, then 30 btc gets first removed from the principals

13:36

(example of 'zerocoin' etc)

13:38

10 pays 5 btc, 40 pays 20 btc, 10 pays 5

13:38

right.

13:39

and then they receive the interest with the same amounts

13:39

well 0.5 2 .5 ya

13:39

ok, let's go on

13:40

that'd be all.

13:40

these are the edges pretty much

13:41

now, if needed capital is < 50btc, my 50% bond sits unused

13:41

yup

13:42

if it's >= 60 then it gets same result as all the other bonds

13:42

yup

13:43

the problem is, there seems to be a correlation between loss and exhaustion of bondholders' capital

13:43

we don't have any good sample

13:43

if you like math, one thing you can do is define this game as a GM construct and play a billion rounds

13:43

course the results will be dubious on the face, cause of possible bias, but still, it's research.

13:44

one would have to simulate the players, too. they do trade options more when the rate is volatile, but how much more?

13:44

hence the bias.

13:44

moreover, how likely are they to be right ?

13:44

if they are wrong and trade a lot that doesn't hurt the bonds.

13:45

if i buy a call and am wrong, mpoe gets only up to the price i paid

13:45

but if i'm right, i can get anything

13:45

well yes, this is the story of options.

13:46

GM mircea_popescu?

13:47

GT i mean. game theory.

13:48

"game theoretic" in context i guess

13:48

that makes a bit more sense, ty

14:00

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00309512 = 0.3405 BTC [-]

14:03

mircea_popescu: the column 'capital' in bond history tables includes or does not include last resort capital?

14:04

it does

14:04

thanks

14:06

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00455 = 0.1365 BTC [-] {2}

14:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00100737 = 1.0577 BTC [-]

14:12

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02897997 = 0.2029 BTC [+]

14:14

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02897998 = 0.1449 BTC [+]

14:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00309512 = 0.3095 BTC [-]

14:26

well i've gone and confused myself again. mircea_popescu jurov: the statements for say, december 2012 says that the MPBOR for dec 28-jan 25 is 4.99, but thats the rate paid against the december capital. similarly, the jan statement says that the MPBOR for jan26-feb22 will be 9.99 but i'm reading the reports to say that premium was charged for capital borrowed over the course of jan.

14:27

any clarification on what i'm not understanding today would be much appreciated

14:28

also thestringpuller i know you follow mpbor, if you have any ideas about what i'm missing it'd be great to straighten out

14:33

[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0499 = 0.499 BTC [+]

14:48

http://imgur.com/suj5Kif

14:48

more countertops installed!

14:48

juts gotta do some finishing work and add varnish

14:49

"The chat room on the site is very active but the conversations there are unusual and non-linear"

14:49

so the trollbox doesn't read well?

14:49

shocker

14:49

i'd be more suspicious if i saw an actual ingelligent, linear conversation take place

14:58

oh man. dooglus' response to that reddit thread is great

14:59

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/71442_637564166304619_1239354365_n.jpg

15:00

'we suffered pretty heavy losses due to an unusually lucky big player...'

15:00

some joker cracked the prng?

15:00

shrug. funny thing about luck ;p

15:02

that translates to slovene too, only 'stable' also means 'fucked up'

15:02

for some odd reason, nobody ever gets this lucky in meatspace casino.

15:03

are casinos provably fair with 1% house edge, tho?

15:03

well. "provably".

15:04

but either way, from what i understand, the setup of jd lends itself to wild swings of luck, both good and bad

15:05

got some trash to talk on someone's provably fair gambling setup, nubbins` ?

15:05

not at all, no, just putting quotes on a word

15:07

ah

15:07

you got me all excited!

15:07

heh

15:08

nah, i'm just being silly

15:08

http://downworthy.snipe.net/

15:09

^ browser plugin that translates shitty 'viral' headlines

15:09

"One Weird Trick" becomes "One Piece of Completely Anecdotal Horseshit"

15:09

etc

~ 17 minutes ~

15:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48000701 = 1.44 BTC [-] {3}

~ 22 minutes ~

15:49

hello

15:53

hi

15:57

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00309511 = 0.7428 BTC [+] {2}

15:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.00309989 = 0.713 BTC [+] {3}

15:59

Hey there

16:02

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0031 = 0.62 BTC [+]

16:13

benkay, yes it applies to previous month

16:14

the mpbor isn't currently used for anything outside the bonds calculation

16:22

well i made some graphs for y'all on the topic of mpbor etc: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/25_notes-on-mpex-historical-bond-rates-and-other-data.html

16:22

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0275 = 0.1375 BTC [-]

16:30

When the bot takes a loss, the subsequent month's premium increases as well. << benkay this is not automatic

16:31

it's because bondholders change the requested rate

16:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 376 @ 0.0046 = 1.7296 BTC [-]

16:36

oh i should make that clear

16:36

i was shooting for 'implications of the above chart are that bondholders change their opinions about stuff leading to the following'

16:36

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 178 @ 0.0046 = 0.8188 BTC [-] {2}

16:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 201 @ 0.0045 = 0.9045 BTC [-] {2}

~ 23 minutes ~

17:01

Apocalyptic i need redemption

17:02

what kind of redemption truffles ?

17:02

to ko u :D

17:02

game?

17:03

sousveillance plus bitcoin to ruin the tyrant's operatives starting in 2014: in

17:04

http://ipvm.com/updates/2416

17:04

Framed For Selling Crack, Surveillance Video Helps Him Sue Police

17:04

haha

17:04

did they sprinkle some crack on him

17:05

k truffles

17:06

benkay: picture, how many similar cases, where the video was successfully destroyed.

17:07

truffles, i'm waiting

17:08

there is, or at some point, will be, a market for a video gizmo that streams public-key-enciphered stream to a box in a non-u.s. jurisdiction.

17:09

or for the truly loaded and profligate: to the blockchain...

17:09

let the bastards eat shit.

17:11

hear hear

17:11

call it 'fair witness' (for aficionados of Heinlein)

17:12

since it would probably be banned anyway,

17:12

might as well add some features

17:12

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.003095 = 2.3213 BTC [-]

17:12

like pumping as many watts of broadcast as possible over all digital TV channels, if the panic button is pressed

17:12

and over channels used by wireless cameras of all types,

17:12

that might be hooked to recorders in the area.

17:13

mhm

17:13

you can safely presume that the polize will 1) confiscate everything physically present and 2) jam common communication channels

17:14

(2) is SOP in major u.s. police raids already, by some accounts.

17:14

so an sdr to find open bands and subsequently pump boatloads of juice over them

17:14

so if your camera writes to a physical device, you're at their mercy

17:15

for a consumer system designed to go in cars a la russian dash cams wifi and cell would be sufficient

17:16

that'd lead to jamming on every car-stop

17:16

hilarious

17:16

also does you no good if the disk on the other end of the connection is found.

17:16

and dealt with

17:17

and, naturally, the kangaroo court might convict you anyway. and, depending on who you are, they might not even bother with a court.

17:18

russian dash cams are a pill against insurance fraud artists, not police

17:19

so different requirements apply.

17:19

"a la"

17:20

Fair Witness also comes with 1 gb pre-paid storage and relay to endpoint of your choice from the secret NSA data center

17:20

they simply write to a flash card

17:22

:)

17:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00100502 = 3.1156 BTC [-]

17:23

since we're philosophizing, ideal version of this concept would be a p2p gadget

17:23

transmits and receives both

17:23

you throw the switch, it broadcasts the buffer contents to any others within 'earshot.' who then store it.

17:24

also great for exhibitionists.

17:24

(and presumably their 'symbiotic' voyeurs)

17:25

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0031 = 3.1 BTC [+]

17:25

arguably vulnerable to DDOS by the gestapo, however, unless each unit comes with unique key and maintains a table of 'known friendly' ones.

17:28

those durn nsagestapo--and so well funded!

17:29

'for every smart arse, there's a correctly-threaded cock.' (rus. saying)

17:29

punkman

asciilifeform: maybe you can pay for upload space in advance at your local Emergency Data Network

17:29

gd as a tooth in the nose--other ru.saying ;)

17:30

it's interesting that amazon both has a $600 million USD cloud contract with the agency; and amazon's titular head has bought the washington post

17:30

keep an eye on all your assets as they say

17:31

there is no cloud; only other people's disks.

17:32

asciilifeform: don't ruin my illusions

17:33

i thought my bits are stored in ionosphere

17:33

:(

17:33

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-solomon/the-cia-amazon-bezos-and_b_4559317.html

17:33

The CIA, Amazon, Bezos and the Washington Post: An Exchange with Executive Editor Martin Baron | Nor

17:33

ham radio 'moon bounce' method is a good way to indestructibly store bits. for a few min. anyway.

17:33

keeping 'the assets' transparent:

17:33

'"A basic principle of journalism is to acknowledge when the owner of a media outlet has a major financial relationship with the subject of coverage. We strongly urge the Washington Post to be fully candid with its readers about the fact that the newspaper's new owner, Jeff Bezos, is the founder and CEO of Amazon which recently landed a $600 million contract with the CIA.'

17:34

asciilifeform could be if non-interferred with, yup

17:35

know how in the early days of computing they had 'delay line memory'?

17:35

you could probably set up an optical version of this, using a mirror in space.

17:35

early computing is fun to look at--the electronic stuff. washingmachines :)

17:35

the camera feed could be transmitted some mile away by optical beam

17:36

gg

17:36

at least until police learns and starts shrouding the premises in smoke

17:36

gg

17:36

interesting game truffles

17:36

jurov: hard part is to ensure that somebody is usefully listening.

17:36

blew it half way in!

17:36

you had some strong kingside defense

17:36

there's an iee journal mention of that sort of concept for earth. a few of us perhaps simultaneously--however ironic that is--had the notion of using the network itself as a storage system

17:37

http://ronja.twibright.com/ is point to point optical link

17:37

Home

17:37

yea, got ahead of meself

17:37

cheap diy

17:37

asciilifeform you've probably seen that movie, Contact

17:37

(regarding the point of listening)

17:38

im gonna take booze break

17:38

use to consider it educational to let so called police and intel watch all my buffers :)

17:38

dhs bze-alln-break ;)

17:40

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32036 @ 0.00100808 = 32.2949 BTC [+] {2}

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.003095 = 0.1238 BTC [-]

17:52

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00484631 = 0.2035 BTC [+] {7}

18:04

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00048551 = 0.4855 BTC [+] {6}

~ 15 minutes ~

18:19

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.003095 = 0.9997 BTC [-]

18:19

!t m s.mpoe

18:19

[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00099375 / 0.0010037 / 0.00101414 (407542 shares, 409.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00084311 / 0.00096471 / 0.00101414 (5705993 shares, 5,504.64 BTC), 30D: 0.0007653 / 0.00088974 / 0.00101414 (28043032 shares, 24,951.22 BTC)

18:20

!l m s.mpoe

18:20

Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00100808 BTC [+]

18:21

!l m s.nsa

18:21

Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00017 BTC [+]

18:30

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/23/tech/innovation/could-this-electric-beast-be-the-fastest-supercar/ nejc kodric's next car?

18:30

Could this electric car soon be the fastest supercar on earth? - CNN.com

18:37

whatever cnn "says": 'For years electric vehicles have been regarded as the frumpy inner-city siblings of their hardier countryside 4x4 brethren or zippier track-friendly supercar sisters.'

18:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8956 @ 0.00100843 = 9.0315 BTC [+] {2}

18:49

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 297 @ 0.00460007 = 1.3662 BTC [-] {4}

18:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4808 @ 0.00100839 = 4.8483 BTC [-]

19:06

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 250 @ 0.00477451 = 1.1936 BTC [+] {6}

19:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00100508 = 11.6589 BTC [-] {2}

19:23

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00477899 = 0.9558 BTC [+]

19:32

;;getrating cokea

19:32

Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

19:32

;;gettrust cokea

19:32

WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user KRS1 to user cokea: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=KRS1&dest=cokea | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cokea | Rated since: never

19:37

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 24 @ 0.00454567 = 0.1091 BTC [-] {5}

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.487 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.49 = 2.94 BTC [+] {2}

19:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.49924999 = 3.994 BTC [+] {3}

19:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00100685 = 5.7894 BTC [+] {2}

20:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49 = 2.45 BTC [-]

20:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49996 = 2.4998 BTC [+] {2}

20:16

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.003095 = 0.424 BTC [-]

20:17

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2002 @ 0.00008899 = 0.1782 BTC [+] {4}

20:24

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00475897 = 0.2379 BTC [+]

20:30

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.003095 = 0.1486 BTC [-]

20:36

hi

20:43

hi

20:44

mod6

hi

20:57

hi

21:06

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 268 @ 0.00298073 = 0.7988 BTC [-] {3}

21:07

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00298 = 0.2742 BTC [-]

~ 23 minutes ~

21:31

benkay "I am currently using this fiction whereby the MPBOR established through the workings on one month is declared to be the central bank rate valid for the next month. This is obviously not particularly correct, other than the twin considerations that natura non facit saltus on one hand and that it works on the other."

21:31

http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-bonds-historical-data-dec-2012-nov-2013/#footnote_5_51623

21:31

MPOE bonds historical data, Dec 2012 - Nov 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:31

ahahaha stable

21:31

good one

21:32

<asciilifeform> for some odd reason, nobody ever gets this lucky in meatspace casino. << they do, actually.

21:32

i distinctly remember this rush where wynn was trying to somehow structure a deal to cover for an insanely lucky player over the weekend

21:34

i always wondered if the de-facto rule in meatspace casinos is 'don't win more than it costs to have your body fed to pigs,' or the like.

21:35

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00094348 = 0.9435 BTC [+] {3}

21:36

casino politics is an interesting subject

21:36

this was, as best anyone can determine, not the case past about 1880 or so

21:37

in general the route is to pay up, in cash, then pile gifts upon you so that you return to the table.

21:37

someone i know was involved in the design of video poker machines, long ago, and was told that his name will probably end up on the 'reject list' (turn out at the door)

21:37

benkay why "mirceapopescu" as a subscript for th e2nd word ?!

21:38

Yeah, most people involved in casino work more sophisticated than carrying drinks tend to find their way on reject lists, at least for their own casino

21:38

i don't know for a fact that this is so - he never had the slightest desire to set foot in a casino.

21:38

but it strikes me as plausible - i can see why they'd rather not risk it.

21:38

org mode is being clever

21:39

[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 160 @ 0.0009489 = 0.1518 BTC [+]

21:40

BingoBoingo most people who are good at anything more involved than sucking cock (which is really the criteria for COCKtail waitresses) don't like to play anyway.

21:40

i don't think i ever saw a pit boss play anything, ever.

21:40

asciilifeform exactly.

21:41

mircea_popescu: I've know a couple who do poker tournaments and have done the thing where you sit at the blackjack table and try not to lose more than you would have spent on the drinks.

21:41

did they last five years in their job ?

21:43

one of them is going on seven and can't say what he got promoted to. Just he doesn't work the floor anymore. Most of them have burned out in under a year though.

21:43

kinda meshes then

21:44

The only people with longevity dealing tables seem to be the people doing it to keep busy after they retire.

21:45

it's funny, for 2-3 decades they kept trying to get hot female and even mal;e dealers

21:45

eventually gave up on the notion.

21:47

Most casinos here don't have much in the way of table games. The slots and video poker seem to cover most of the floor.

21:47

and by here you mean "this millenium"

21:48

Well, yes. Similar to BTC and how many people do the dice stuff trying to magic their way into a jackpot.

21:49

also lower labor overhead on the machines, i imagine

21:49

one of the better "investments"

21:49

benkay i suspect it's the progressives really.

21:49

?

21:49

big wins on small odds is what drives crowds.

21:49

it's impossible to efficiently get 100 blackjack deals to share pennies into a multi-million pot.

21:49

machines can easily do it.

21:53

pankkake : s/xunitparser/cuntitsparser.

22:04

hey guys

22:04

remember i was in here the other day complaining how postmodern the inernet is?

22:06

well i saw today an article about cloudcoin/bitcloud lol these guys dont even realise https://github.com/bytemaster/tornet this exists already

22:07

that's okay. 9x% of all noobs reinvent the wheel earnestly convinced they are contributing.

22:07

usually their wheel is square and stuff, too.

22:09

hows it going mircea_popescu

22:10

pretty good.

22:11

thats good, whats happening today? i just came on to complain as usual

22:12

asciilifeform: last time i looked at a casino profit chart it read like: 11b profit on slots, 1b on table games.

22:13

herbijudlestoids: it's not abandonware?

22:14

er, i meant to send that to BingoBoingo :) re: floorspace for slots vs table games

22:14

benkay: probably to some extent it is

22:16

mike_c: Well other factors being equal a slot machine allow for placing bets faster than a dealer does

22:16

plus there is a world of blue-haired ladies with nothing better to do.

22:17

i tell you, it's the progressives.

22:17

no craps game ever had a 19mn jackpot

22:18

carribean stud tries to do that with a table game

22:18

jackpot is usually like 100k though

22:19

mhm

22:25

BingoBoingo: (unrelated) i now sympathize with your travails re: that Mac SE

22:26

I imagine speed element plays in too. That may play into why so few in US casino industry are trying to fight to expand regulated sports and event gambling to new jurisdictions. The few hours it takes a sporting contest to resolve is something I don't know if they can comprehend compared to the seconds a slot takes. May as well be an eternity.

22:26

BingoBoingo: recently tried, and failed, to get several different OS running acceptably on a '90s laptop

22:26

asciilifeform: Oh?

22:26

BingoBoingo: toshiba l 110ct

22:27

233MHz, 64M RAM, (modern) 60GB SSD

22:28

try netbsd

22:28

asciilifeform: These are the great problems of our times. Getting hardware worth using to work again is a challenge.

22:29

asciilifeform: which OS have you tried so far? i feel like they should work

22:29

BingoBoingo: the real royal bitch is that it needs a 70M hole at 8.4G offset with no partition in it (suspend-to-disk)

22:29

herbijudlestoids: freebsd (what i had on it when i was a student), but didn't have the gigantic disk then

22:29

herbijudlestoids: Actual for obscure and old hardware OpenBSD seems to have better hardware and human support than NetBSD. At least that seems the experience on 68k machines

22:30

BingoBoingo: youre probably right

22:30

then debian, and killed it in nauseating revulsion, discovering that it swaps to disk with nothing interesting running

22:30

and comes with a bowl full of turds (bluetooth, avahe, etc.) by default

22:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00100447 = 8.8393 BTC [-]

22:32

I still miss 128 MB of Ram in a compact desktop sold in a time such things were rather unimaginable.

22:32

this box was originally 32, expanded to 64 (max).

22:33

So much Hypercard

22:33

The old SE/30 was 4MB when I picked it up at a school auction for $10

22:34

my first pc was 16mb w/ a 1g HD

22:34

err, 1.2gb

22:35

I also have a few Mac Classics and Classic II's which had 1 MB of Ram. Cannabalized 4 of them to give one classic 4 MB of RAM (cheaper to get whole machines than sticks) Had to order RAM to beef up the SE/30 though

22:35

my symbolics 3620 has 4mb.

22:35

sweet

22:36

The Classics had 40 MB hard drives, the SE/30 came to me with a 20 MB hard drive.

22:36

http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/22982/Symbolics/ (not mine, but good picture)

22:37

A local school threw out a bunch of older 386 PCs with 20mb drives, they were huge

22:37

my first pc was a tandy 1000sx

22:37

dual 5.25"s, no hd

22:37

Nice

22:38

had this golf game where you had the option to print your scores at the end. we didn't have a printer; my dad tried to explain it to me, and i couldn't wrap my head around it

22:38

"but if it doesn't have any keys, how does it mark the paper?"

22:39

My first computers were this flock of old macs I got from the school back in 1999 or 2000. Maybe it was 2001?

22:39

i remember upgrading the ram to 512kb to play king's quest iv

22:40

those were hard fuckin games

22:41

It was the summer before I started High School. I had gone that long without a computer and decided fuck it, I'm getting several.

22:42

asciilifeform try openbsd :D

22:42

It took several trips walking to et them all carried home.

22:43

king's quest was pretty ok, but not rly so hard.

22:43

mircea_popescu: that's more or less all that's left. now if someone here knows how to get a bsd to boot from a small separate partition below 1024 cylinders, and mount root fs, etc. from a larger one...

22:43

lilo!

22:43

TomServo

king's quest was great until I found monkey island

22:44

actually talking of hard games, try king's bounty on top diffictuly. the modern versions

22:44

they're insane.

22:44

i mean, i got through them fine as a kid, maybe i had more patience back then

22:44

the bootloader wasn't the issue - the *bsds seem to insist on a massive single mbr partition subdivided into bsd 'labels'

22:44

wotn probably can't even be done, you won't get past that spider.

22:44

they re-released king's quest 3 a couple years ago, i gave it a shot

22:45

fared brutally

22:46

asciilifeform you mean they fail to represent the disk arrangement ?

22:46

or am i missing something

22:46

http://www.agdinteractive.com/games/kq3/download/download.html

22:46

freebsd (1st try) didn't like having its '/boot' live on a separate mbr part.

22:46

windows/mac only ;(

22:47

that sounds insane.

22:47

how does it even know.

22:47

it hardcodes '/boot/kernel/...' into the loader, it seems

22:47

nubbins` i always liked the part where it's "sir graham the hero". esp for a romanian speaker it was like Sir Breadloaf

22:47

haha

22:47

ok. that is the most retarded fucking thing i ever heard

22:47

who does this.

22:48

sir graham, the earl of sandwich

22:48

hjahaha

22:48

no it was like fiverpool or somesuch

22:49

bover

22:49

the machine in question is more than an idle plaything, it has a dos fat16 part. (to drive CO2 laser)

22:49

what the fuck was it

22:49

daventry!

22:49

mondon lol. it was ah yes!

22:49

yes that's it

22:50

the first time a machine made me feel fear was when the snow monster popped out at me for the first time

22:50

first time first time

22:57

hehe tim cook aapl ceo says there is no backdoor in aapl products but since they are under a gag order he cant prove it

22:58

http://mailman.theapt.org/pipermail/openbsd-newbies/2006-October/003187.html

22:58

[OpenBSD/i386] 2 MBR Partitions with OpenBSD?

22:58

seems like openbsd won't even try to install /boot to a separate mbr part.

23:02

which boot loader lilo?

23:02

KRS1: not an issue with the boot loader

23:03

but with an os that presumes that it lives on one mbr part.

23:03

herp. what gag order.

23:03

asciilifeform i suppose you can just edit and recompile...

23:04

not that such a thing should ever be said to anyone in any context, let alone in response to "hi lol, we hardcoded random shit because magic strings are cool"

23:05

mircea_popescu: and what if i were 'civilian', rather than a weirdo with a physical drive hooked through a dongle to a vm for installs/overnight compile of whatever

23:05

pbr?

23:05

and stuck doing compile on a pentium 1...

23:05

ikr.

23:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4900002 BTC [-]

23:06

the only reason i even tell this story here is to note how obscenely bloated modern unixlikes have become

23:06

the pbr locates /boot not mbr

23:07

asciilifeform http://24.media.tumblr.com/276732a929bca5e826348f107881e783/tumblr_mlg7z8DEV01ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

23:07

random civillian reaction.

23:07

just trying to help not to try to be disrespectful or anything but if mbr is working right, pbr isn't set right

23:07

what's the object bolted to the wall?

23:08

on the left ? a wire mask

23:09

KRS1: partitions are trivial to lay out, the issue was that the bsd loader presumes that '/boot' and '/' are on the same partition.

23:09

mircea_popescu: i suppose she is 'calling someone who cares'

23:11

Neil

https://blockchain.info/block-height/282405 Smallest SHA256 ever? I think that block would pass for 20 trillion difficulty

23:11

Bitcoin Blocks At Height 282405

23:11

nethack y'all nethack

23:11

nice find Neil

23:12

but i recall 20 0's hash as record tho i couldn't name the block

23:13

any europeans handy with an opinion on ukraine

23:13

basically what i saw was that ukraine picked gazprom over eu gas and the next day riots erupted

23:13

seems kind of sus

23:13

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=429331.0

23:14

My Story Past Gambling Addiction

23:14

faces of the 2013 bitcoin generation.

23:15

mircea_popescu: reminiscent of your observations re: dope addicts. that is, one marvels at their ability to get hold of the $$$$ to carry on

23:15

'$1000 here, $7000 there'

23:15

it's their unconscionable mothers.

23:17

"About two weeks later I started my sophomore year at college." is the controlling part.

23:19

Well, this is the sort of stuff the magical thinking that leads people to dice and slots does.

23:20

sophomores don't belong dorking about acting as if they were men and thinking about their bankroll.

23:20

also known as "don't take your guns to town"

23:20

;;google cash don't take your guns to town

23:20

Johnny Cash "Don't Take Your Guns to Town" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raXKeQ5qFwo>; Johnny Cash - Don't Take Your Guns To Town - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMp_llzBT4>; JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Don't Take Your Guns To Town - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/donttakeyourgunstotown.html>

23:23

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacobfischler/dinesh-dsouza-charged-with-election-fraud

23:23

Dinesh D'Souza Charged With Election Fraud

23:23

if you live in the us, don't make stuff that mocks obama

23:23

or else it's jale for you.

23:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4223 @ 0.00100686 = 4.252 BTC [+]

23:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49 = 2.45 BTC [-]

23:26

yep, dont piss off oblabla

23:26

lol

23:27

don't say he's a grown-up trayvon. anything but pointing out teh obvious.

23:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49 = 2.45 BTC [-]

23:28

i remember in 2008

23:28

i would listen to oblabla speak

23:28

and think to myself

23:28

*finally* this is the guy we have all been waiting for

23:28

what a stupid fuckwit i was

23:28

i think i actually like george bush more

23:28

no, thats the next dude.

23:28

many people actually believed the "intelligent, educated guy that happens to be black"

23:29

well it wasnt that but he said all the right things

23:29

Well, in the US we get just the worst candidates

23:29

remembrer when oblabla said he wanted to close guantanamo LOL

23:29

yeah, that's so totally unique to the us...

23:29

or when he said the PATRIOT act was bad ahahahahahahha

23:29

aka "read my lips" moments.

23:30

the best, best of absolute all was when he told us that they would be the most transparent administration in history

23:30

LMFAO

23:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.487 = 2.435 BTC [-] {2}

23:31

but it is pretty transparent

23:31

you can see right through it.

23:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4861 = 2.4305 BTC [-]

23:31

through yes, into no

23:32

i want the revolving door for big finance, big pharma and big industry in general to end

23:32

why ?

23:32

there is no way you should be able to be the head of some important decision making function at the USDA and then in a week go work for monsanto

23:33

or be the general who blows up civilians and then go onto consult for fox news and raytheon

23:33

right. but this mostly because you don't want either usda or monsanto

23:33

so in short, the door is not the problem. the existence of the buildings the door is attached to is the problem

23:33

by the same token raytheon lobbyists should not be allowed to become the chief of staff at the pentagon

23:33

because neither raytheon or pentagon should exist.

23:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.486 BTC [-]

23:33

well no

23:33

im not ideologically opposed to the idea of national self defence, or industrial agriculture per se

23:34

chetty

yeah well close the door is the first step. then you can blow up the buildings one at a time

23:34

in that case you're stuck with the statu quo.

23:34

wut/

23:34

because you only have so many intelligent people involved, and so both regulator and actor hire from the same pool

23:34

so you reckon we cant have one without the other? its simply impssobie for humans?

23:34

and are happy when someone accepts a job.

23:35

thats quite cynical but i guess you are probly right im being idealistic

23:35

right.

23:35

you have 500 ceo jobs to be filled and 50 regulator head jobs to be filled

23:35

if you're lucky you have 5 people who could do it, and they could do either.

23:35

what now ?

23:35

well then i will settle for more information, everything needs to be more transparent so we can at least argue over it

23:35

yeah, except bitcoin has perfect information and the end result is what, the forum ?

23:36

information doesn't help the stupid, nor the lazy.

23:36

fine, you cynical realist bastard

23:36

yw.

23:36

i want more information and an educated populace

23:37

Not going to happen populaces resist education

23:37

"75% of 200 anon voters are in agreement bitbet should give random people random moneyz" and "anon dork knows X scam is legit, anon dork Y knows mpex exists to scam noobs". that's your information and argument >D

23:37

i think probably we arent all stupid and lazy

23:37

but we are goaded into it over time

23:37

yeah, but it's easier to stay stupid and be lazy.

23:37

therefore, any distribution will be stupid-heavy and lazy-heavy

23:37

especially if youve got something to lose, like a girlfriend or family

23:37

nah

23:38

people will gladly lose it and then cry.

23:38

rather than think and so get to keep it.

23:38

the only way to get an "educated populace" is to constuct a hierarchy, where 90% are enforced into slavery, and then the 10% at the top have a good incentive to be educated

23:39

british empire style.

23:39

it's still not a stable solution

23:39

chetty

too bad its not reversible = thinking and not being lazy always wins

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