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00:00 mircea_popescu twizt write all your pws down, encrypt the file to your gpg key.
00:01 BingoBoingo Thankfully the WoT doesn't depend on Nickserv's security
00:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3152 BTC [+]
00:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.324 BTC [+]
00:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00090847 = 15.762 BTC [-] {2}
00:09 twizt whats "n_unredeemed":2, on blockchain?
00:09 twizt is that unconfirmed bal?
00:10 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Thanks. I'm still contemplating other elements of dated 90's web aesthetics I could incorporate without succumbing to animated Gifs.
00:10 kakobrekla do you have a visitor counter?
00:10 Duffer1 do you even frames bro?
00:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.316 BTC [-]
00:14 BingoBoingo Nice, ideas!
00:14 Duffer1 mouse trail?
00:14 pankkake needs "under construction" image
00:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [+]
00:14 pankkake oh god I forgot about mouse trails
00:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.003151 = 0.3151 BTC [+] {9}
00:29 ohider if bitcoin tip works on reddit would that system work on a website that students can post their work?
00:30 Duffer1 for a homework buying website?
00:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [+]
00:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00319984 = 0.224 BTC [+] {2}
00:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31900101 BTC [-]
00:33 ohider a legitimate way of getting paid for the work that you do in class
00:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [-]
00:34 truffles college athletes dont get proper compensation, heh
00:34 ohider if people want to steal ideas and resubmit theres no stopping that but if students can have a way of getting paid the motivation of doing school work is changed
00:34 ohider and also use bitcoin to pay student athletes
00:34 pankkake but you expect people to "tip" for homework? I don't see the relation to reddit
00:35 ohider my website is boco.bit
00:35 Duffer1 using bitcoin would be a good way to get caught
00:35 Duffer1 wouldn't you want something without a public ledger if you don't want to worry about getting expelled?
00:36 pankkake boco.bit has address 10.0.0.7
00:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.318 BTC [-]
00:37 truffles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Harvard_cheating_scandal guess more of this will happen
00:37 ozbot 2012 Harvard cheating scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
00:37 pankkake cheating is so "normal" in education… it's just stupid
00:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.318 BTC [-]
00:38 BingoBoingo I dunno Bitcoin might be a great way to get around NCAA prohibitions on paying college athletes if it is done right.
00:38 ohider shit ok i need to do some more work
00:38 ohider ya thats my idea
00:38 ohider buy bit coins through localbitcoin.com all across the country and use those to pay your atheletes
00:40 ohider the costs would be plane flights and use to buy bitcoin
00:41 ohider USD*
00:41 truffles flights to?
00:43 ohider if you are buying bitcoin with cash its best to do it all over the country so no one remembers you so you would need to travel some
00:43 BingoBoingo ohider: Nah, it is fine if people remember you buying. It might also be helpful with that little trust business...
00:44 truffles y wouldnt they remember u?
00:44 ohider if you are buying large amounts of bitcoin, the seller will remember you
00:45 Duffer1 you would need an enormous amount of bitcoins to pay college athletes what they bring in for their states annually
00:45 ohider exactly
00:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00090868 = 18.946 BTC [+] {2}
00:49 BingoBoingo Duffer1: That much is probably unreasonable, but Bitcoin could be away for school's boosters to continue continuting to athletes as they have always done, and probably in richer amounts.
00:50 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: next maybe you will suggest bitcoin as a way to pay beggars?
00:50 asciilifeform these people barely have enough brains to use fiat...
00:50 ohider fuck why not there an article about a homeless guy who has a tablet and a solar panel that lives off bitcoin
00:51 truffles lol!
00:51 ohider http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/bitcoin-homeless/
00:51 ozbot Homeless, Unemployed, and Surviving on Bitcoins | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
00:51 Duffer1 did you read that article?
00:52 ohider http://cryptocoinupdates.com/voluntarily-homeless-man-lives-off-bitcoin-android-tablet-and-a-solar-charger/
00:52 pankkake didn't read the article but sounds like the usual hype
00:53 Duffer1 pure horseshit is another word for it
00:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah. School boosters generally have a motivation for paying student athletes in that the more homework the athlete can afford the moar handegg they can practice and hopefully the more the team wins. What the athlete in this scheme would probably end with is not the Bitcoins, but some other value for which Bitcoins provide a measure of plausible deniability.
00:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 51 @ 0.00200411 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {3}
00:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [-]
00:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.317 = 3.17 BTC [-]
00:54 ohider i goat ask who's long on name coin?
00:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.317 = 1.268 BTC [-]
00:56 ohider what is more valuable, 1 unit of name coin or a name coin url
00:56 Duffer1 i goat or i gotta?
00:57 ohider gotta fuckin auto correct
00:57 Duffer1 i like namecoin, i'd have a very small position if things were different
00:58 Duffer1 that's actually saying a lot since imo most alts are shit
00:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.0491 = 2.5041 BTC [+]
00:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00091144 = 2.3697 BTC [+]
00:58 ohider Duffer1 why is that article about homeless dude horseshit?
00:59 ohider whats the motivation of media covering that story?
00:59 Duffer1 650+ a day clicking 12 videos that pay .00000001 per click
00:59 Duffer1 does not compute
00:59 ohider the second one about the guy w/ solar panel and tablet
01:00 Duffer1 oh dunno didn't read, is he surviving on coins he already had or is he magically earning something from nothing like the wired article?
01:01 ohider dude is a dev and homeless by choice. A "Into the Wild" type dude
01:01 ohider but he is homeless and can't get a bank account
01:01 ohider so he does bitcoin
01:01 mircea_popescu Duffer1 it was bs when it first came out, it still is.
01:01 truffles cant raise a family homeless..
01:03 truffles one can but why would u!
01:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.311 BTC [-]
01:04 ohider who is long on litecoin being that scrypt asic is coming down the line
01:05 ohider will asic do to litecoin what it did to bitcoin ?
01:07 ohider I hear this shit about bitcoin needs litecoin like gold needs silver. Is the next investment a coin that is impervious to asic?
01:08 mircea_popescu it may well wreck it
01:08 mircea_popescu seeing how possibly the onl;y thing keeping ltc alive is the insistent dedication of people who wish to mine but can't afford asics
01:08 mircea_popescu going from the fringe fave to the mainstream clone is a move few survive
01:09 asciilifeform juicy meat in the sun. flies arrive eventually. end of story...
01:11 ohider is the game up when this is solved?
01:11 ohider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem
01:11 ozbot P versus NP problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:12 Duffer1 "if one is provided with information showing what the answer is, it may be possible to"
01:14 Duffer1 i thought i might be going somewhere with that but i care so little i'm having trouble even fini
01:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.0009083 = 11.1267 BTC [-]
01:19 pankkake litecoin would need asics to survive, but it will not please litecoiners
01:21 ohider doesn't asic allow people who have huge amounts of capital to make waves in the bitcoin environment
01:22 pankkake what does that mean?
01:22 ohider asic costs a lot but you get a lot of bang for your buck
01:23 asciilifeform re: ltc/asics: 'you can run but you can't hide.'
01:23 Duffer1 the only ones making money on asics are the manufacturers
01:23 ohider if GE wants to kill bitcoin they could just buy a shit ton of asic technology and dominate it
01:23 pankkake gpus cost a lot too… (except of course that most litecoiners are 15 year olds who don't pay for gpus and electritiy)
01:24 pankkake if you want to "dominate" litecoin just rent botnets or supercomputers for a day
01:24 Duffer1 it would take the efforts of a major nation to attempt such an attack on bitcoin
01:24 pankkake asics just make attacks costlier
01:25 Duffer1 it might even already be to late for them to produce something capable of it
01:26 pankkake well, with asics closer to industry standards, yes
01:27 ohider all you need to kill bitcoin is to create distrust in the people who believe in it
01:28 ohider the dreaded 51% attack would be one way of doing that
01:28 ohider how much would that cost
01:28 Duffer1 does not compute
01:28 ohider 100 million
01:28 ohider 200 million
01:30 ohider if bitcoin threatens fiat wouldn't that be a small price to pay to kill it
01:30 pankkake http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/brix
01:31 pankkake they would have to kill it early - if they take interest when it's actually challenging, it's going to be much harder
01:31 Duffer1 that assumes any of the other 189 nations wouldn't work in proportional measure to protect it, let alone the x amount of bitcoiners who already have billions in it not acting to protect themselves
01:31 Duffer1 ^ @ ohider
01:33 Duffer1 there's a relevant trilema article on this somewhere
01:33 pankkake why would a state chose to use/protect bitcoin? (real question)
01:33 Duffer1 to spite a rival nation / state that wants to kill it
01:34 ohider if its bullet proof its a way to get off the USD
01:34 pankkake though I could see it. like kings who made their countries democracies to avoid being overthrown
01:34 Duffer1 if the US tried to kill bitcoin, i'd bitbet china would work to protect it
01:34 Duffer1 jsut because, fuck you
01:34 Duffer1 seriously
01:35 Duffer1 oh i didn't say it was bulletproof
01:35 pankkake i don't really believe in those politics. it has to make sense economically
01:35 Duffer1 it's manmade, so there's that against it already
01:36 Duffer1 ok maybe not china, but maybe putin wouldn't pass up such an opportunity to spit in the US' eye
01:37 ohider @ pankkake where does that figure come from in that coinmetrics
01:38 pankkake they explain it on the website
01:39 Duffer1 i like how the natural cost of mining equipment for bitcoin is included in the "Defense Spending" catagory
01:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1324 @ 0.00129336 = 1.7124 BTC [-] {11}
01:45 pankkake http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/30/full-guide-how-to-access-i2p-sites-use-themarketplace-i2p/ so there's finally a working underground market on i2p!
01:45 ozbot Full guide: How to access I2p sites & Use TheMarketplace.i2p | Deep Dot Web
01:46 pankkake and they seem to use multisig transactions too
01:49 ohider sweet
01:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00090934 = 5.456 BTC [+]
02:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00090934 = 1.4095 BTC [+]
02:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00091144 = 4.7395 BTC [+]
02:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.0009083 = 11.0358 BTC [-]
02:06 ohider I'm trying to convince my roommate to get into bitcoin
02:07 ohider he doesn't want to but i know there's a breaking poit
02:07 ohider point*
02:07 ohider whats the best argument to go about this
02:07 Duffer1 it's the only shot your generation has at any wealth
02:07 Duffer1 take it or don't
02:08 ohider less idealistic
02:09 Duffer1 ground investment in a platform and method of value transfer that has never existed before
02:09 Duffer1 ground floor investment*
02:09 pankkake why do you want to convince him?
02:10 ohider for xmas i gave 0.15 btc to everyone in my familye
02:10 Duffer1 good man
02:10 ohider I'm long on bitcoin
02:10 pankkake what were the reactions?
02:10 ohider so if it gets accepted and the price goes up, i make money
02:11 ohider my brother thinks I'm a crazy man
02:11 ohider my dad seconds that
02:12 pankkake the thing is, if you tell people to buy bitcoins, and they lose money… oops
02:12 ohider my little brother has no idea what it is
02:12 ohider but my mom thinks its the tits
02:13 Duffer1 it's a modern experiment their investment is directly funding science
02:13 ohider the best thing about it is now everyone has bitcoin
02:13 ohider if they want to cash it out
02:14 ohider they have to figure out how to
02:14 Duffer1 and disrupting economic / social theory
02:14 ohider so in a way they educate themselves about bitcoin
02:15 Duffer1 i'm kinda nearing the end of my list here, does your family support relatives overseas or own a business that accepts visa/mastercard/paypal?
02:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31001201 BTC [-]
02:16 ohider thats a negative ghost rider
02:17 Duffer1 ah so a rant on tx fees wouldn't sway them.. hmm
02:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
02:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.32424997 = 1.297 BTC [+] {3}
02:18 ohider whats tx fees
02:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.32738461 = 4.256 BTC [+] {3}
02:19 Duffer1 transaction fees
02:19 ohider ah
02:20 Duffer1 bitcoin payments bypass usurious paypal/mastercard/visa/western union processing fees etc
02:20 Duffer1 so if they had a business and could get their customers to pay then in btc, they'd save a ton of money
02:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.325 = 1.625 BTC [-] {2}
02:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999999 = 0.5 BTC [+] {2}
02:23 Duffer1 what arguments have you tried?
02:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15361 @ 0.00090789 = 13.9461 BTC [-] {2}
02:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3}
02:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.326 = 0.978 BTC [+]
02:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
02:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00090741 = 2.8511 BTC [-]
02:30 ohider roomate won't accept it
02:30 ohider he refuses on the basis that he just doesn't want it
02:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1297 @ 0.00090741 = 1.1769 BTC [-]
02:31 Duffer1 he may be right not to
02:31 ohider my argument is that there is nothing to lose
02:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14143 @ 0.00090592 = 12.8124 BTC [-] {2}
02:31 Duffer1 oh wait you're trying to give him .1 and he doesn't want it?
02:31 ohider i want to propagate bitcoin and am willing to send him 0.01 btc
02:32 Duffer1 oh
02:33 ohider se la ve
02:33 pankkake wait, he has nothing to lose?
02:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00090583 = 6.2049 BTC [-]
02:33 pankkake of course he has
02:34 pankkake unless it's free bitcoins well…
02:34 ohider what is there to lose for getting a wallet and accepting free bitcoin
02:35 ohider fuck it I'm in a giving mood first address i see gets 0.01 btc
02:35 Duffer1 1JWUtyUEVauc2so2Pb2mF4XjsfcdvXYczB
02:36 mircea_popescu <ohider> if GE wants to kill bitcoin they could just buy a shit ton of asic technology and dominate it << way too late for that.
02:36 ohider boom
02:36 mircea_popescu and who are you anyway ?
02:36 pankkake I missed the "buy" part - if you want to 51% attack, you will never get enough by just buying
02:37 Duffer1 thank you that is very much appreciated ohider
02:38 ohider http://www.peoplesfix.com
02:39 ohider my buddies website he needs some advertisement
02:43 mircea_popescu so what's your website ?
02:43 ohider boco.bit
02:44 ohider i'm still at the developing stage though
02:44 ohider need some help
02:45 Duffer1 i don't think i read exactly what it was you wanted to do with the site
02:46 ohider students post their work along with a bitcoin address
02:46 Duffer1 essays and homework i'm assuming?
02:46 ohider if its good people will donate
02:46 ohider whatever they feel confident in
02:46 Duffer1 ah
02:47 ohider if people are willing to tip fellow redditors for three sentence posts, whats the value of a dynamite research paper
02:47 mircea_popescu did you do your research to know what % of students can access .bit domains ?
02:48 ohider namecoin is in its infancy
02:48 ohider i bought 5 or 6 domain names
02:49 BingoBoingo ohider: Namecoin is a 4 year old infant then...
02:49 mircea_popescu no, you are in your infancy. namecoin has been in its infancy since at least 2011
02:49 ohider what .bit site do you frequent
02:49 mircea_popescu when i first bought some domains that i never bothered develop.
02:49 pankkake I'm a fan of namecoin and I can't even access it
02:50 pankkake oh, well, it really resolves to 10.0.0.7 - so there's nothing?
02:50 mircea_popescu anyway, the research papers online model chiefly works on the basis of their vast database of already submitted papers which they own and don't pay the authors for [anymore]. unless you have 1000s of works of already stale material it'll be a tough nut to crack.
02:50 ohider the idea of some company buying the domain name you squated on is a pipe dream
02:50 mircea_popescu ohider they were my trademarks.
02:51 Duffer1 there's a trilema.bit?
02:51 mircea_popescu notrly.
02:51 Duffer1 brb
02:51 mircea_popescu cause... why bother./
02:51 Duffer1 j/k
02:52 ohider so my brother goes to a really good art school
02:52 ohider what if students could put up there art work
02:52 Duffer1 deviantart + bitcointip
02:52 ohider if you want to print a poster to put on your wall
02:53 ohider what would you pay for that artwork
02:53 ohider 0.001 btc?
02:53 ohider 0.0001 btc?
02:53 mircea_popescu how are you going to steal deviantart's fanbase ?
02:54 ohider whats his site
02:54 Duffer1 deviantart
02:54 BingoBoingo How are you going to compete with actual printed works from nubbins' who is already in the WOT?
02:55 mircea_popescu lol
02:55 Duffer1 does nubs screenprint everything? i thought he just did his own designs
02:55 mircea_popescu presumably nubbins is only one person so he can get overloaded
02:56 BingoBoingo I imagine eventually nubs could move to the sweatshop model
02:56 Duffer1 ohider i don't think there's a bitcoin tip function for deviantart, but if a website like deviantart started accepting bitcointip and it became popular, deviantart would just add it and you'd be s.o.l.
02:57 Duffer1 same with etsy
02:57 mircea_popescu i thought etsy took btc
02:57 ohider it may be idealist but i think that there is value in academic work
02:57 Duffer1 do they? it's been a while since i've been shopping
02:58 mircea_popescu i dont think i ever shoip there but i recall some pretty nude young thing telling me she got some btc from selling her artwork
02:58 Duffer1 i think you're right, i just don't see how you'll be able to monetize
02:58 mircea_popescu mebbe im confusing them
02:58 ohider dude look at bitcoin tip on reddit
02:58 Duffer1 http://www.etsy.com/teams/10366/bitcoin cool
02:58 ozbot Bitcoin - Etsy Teams
02:59 mircea_popescu yah, speaking of which, do you have global figures of the reddit tip thing ? what's monthly total ?
02:59 ohider so i can get 0.001 btc for writing some shit on a blog
03:00 Duffer1 right but what i'm asking is how do you make your money? would you take a % of the tip?
03:00 Duffer1 i'm pretty sure reddittip doesn't do that
03:01 ohider at first I'm not making money
03:01 ohider i want my site to be exclusive to the university that i go to
03:01 ohider it will be a site that only students can register accounts on but anyone can view/donate
03:02 ohider i don't want to reinvent the wheel but it will be a craigslist/kickstart for anything college kids want
03:02 ohider funding for a party
03:03 BingoBoingo ohider: First I'd want to know what university... The wrong one could kill this whole thing at the start
03:03 ohider funding for a school group or organization
03:03 ohider funding for some killer architecture model you designed
03:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00090721 = 1.0887 BTC [+]
03:05 Duffer1 a bitcoin crowdsourcing site that's also a craigslist like marketplace for anything?
03:05 ohider exactly
03:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16524 @ 0.00091151 = 15.0618 BTC [+] {2}
03:05 ohider but it can't be shady
03:05 ohider it has to be on the furnace above board
03:05 Duffer1 if users are free to list whatever they went then you'll have to actively police the listings
03:05 ohider surface*
03:07 ohider say I'm a seller selling custom t shirts
03:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32 = 0.64 BTC [-]
03:07 BingoBoingo ;;ident ohider
03:07 gribble Nick 'ohider', with hostmask 'ohider!43be67b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.190.103.182', is not identified.
03:08 ohider i post my ad for these shirts and say hey, heres my bit message address i don't want to discuss financials over email or phone.
03:08 ohider i might be selling t shirts or i might be selling contraband
03:08 ohider on my side, the t shirt business is legit legal
03:09 ohider so im not worried about what sellers are actually selling
03:09 ohider just give them the means through bitcoin. bit message to do whatever they wabt
03:09 ohider want*
03:09 Duffer1 with each of the platforms you're talking about using, you're adding another hurdle for joeshmo customer
03:10 Duffer1 .bit first bit message second
03:10 ohider if joeshmo user wants to buy an 8ball
03:10 BingoBoingo And all of these platforms for some tiny consumer use
03:10 ohider they will figure it out
03:12 Duffer1 your target market just doesn't exist man
03:12 ohider silk road
03:13 Duffer1 they'd have to 1 - know about and use bitcoin and special handling for .bit domains, 2 - will have to exist at your school exclusively, 3 - understand bitmessage communication, 4 - do drugs
03:14 Duffer1 silk road was just bitcoin and tor
03:14 Duffer1 and was worldwide
03:15 ohider theres a feeling of being "in" when your privy to ways of getting illegal shit
03:15 ohider im not loping for a huge consumer base
03:15 ohider looking*
03:16 ohider just those kids who are willing to do the work
03:21 mircea_popescu how old are you ?
03:21 ohider college aged
03:22 mircea_popescu well, that feeling of being in has a way of turning into a reality of being in.
03:23 ohider imagine if silk road was exclusive to a small community
03:24 Duffer1 it would be absurdly easy to shut the whole network down
03:24 ohider but on top of exclusively buying illegal contraband it actually had a higher purpose
03:24 Duffer1 get everyone busted/expelled
03:26 mircea_popescu for instance, the silkroad kid they caught by discovering that he came here going "hey guise, how would someone make like a bitcoin tor craigslist"
03:26 mircea_popescu or at least so they said.
03:27 Duffer1 i think a bitcoin based localized community market is a great idea, maybe not so profitable but still something i think people would use
03:28 mircea_popescu except college kids rarely are part of the local community
03:28 Duffer1 but to take that one step further into facilitating drug trade, i don't believe you're ready to hide from the awesome and terrifying might of the usgov
03:28 mircea_popescu they're there to go to college.
03:28 mircea_popescu sort-of like us soldiers in vietnam
03:28 ohider im not initially worried about making money with the marketplace
03:29 ohider if something has value there are ways of making money off it
03:29 ohider look up how craigslist makes money
03:29 Duffer1 certainly but is the risk an par with the reward
03:29 ohider the guy is a fucking genius / billionaire
03:29 Duffer1 on par*
03:30 Duffer1 you risk 20+ years in prison for x amount of cash
03:30 mircea_popescu a) the craigslist guy isn't a billionaire ; b) i am.
03:30 ohider ha right
03:30 mircea_popescu im gonna print these out for when i'm old. just too good stuff.
03:31 BingoBoingo ohider: Seems like it's time for you to register with Gribble and get to reading
03:32 mircea_popescu not to imply there's anything wrong with mr newark.
03:32 ohider whats gribble
03:32 Duffer1 ;;google gribble bot
03:32 gribble SourceForge.net: gribble: <http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gribble/>; Gribble - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble>; Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc>
03:33 BingoBoingo ohider: Or mayb flip the order of reading and registering aroud
03:33 ohider 404
03:33 Duffer1 try the bitcoin-otc link, that'll have web of trust, otc, gribble etc
03:34 BingoBoingo That last link http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc is the more important one
03:38 mircea_popescu incredible how often that is said about google these days
03:46 ohider i need to setup a safe email
03:46 ohider is there such a thing?
03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0031849 = 0.1306 BTC [+]
03:47 BingoBoingo ohider: GPG can keep contents safe, but you'll still leave metadata around.
03:49 BingoBoingo Completely safe untraceable email isn't a thing. You need to worry more about protecting messages than trying to protect the channel.
03:50 ohider what about bitmessage
03:51 BingoBoingo Dunno that bitmessage is too worth looking into, there seems to be some vulnerabilities associated with how it works
03:52 BingoBoingo http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/bitmessage-completely-broken-crypto/
03:52 ozbot Bitmessage v1.0: completely broken crypto | bitslog
04:00 ohider @mircea_popecsu are you the real dude
04:00 Duffer1 ;;gpg ident mircea_popescu
04:00 gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
04:02 Duffer1 based on the replies you got i'd say it's probably not a nick squater :P
04:06 ohider ok I'm out stay tuned boco.bit will be up this month
04:06 Duffer1 good luck man :)
04:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00091151 = 12.2142 BTC [+]
04:16 mircea_popescu yes, i'm the real dude.
04:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11486 @ 0.00091159 = 10.4705 BTC [+] {3}
04:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00091074 = 2.7778 BTC [-]
04:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
04:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.001 = 1.5 BTC
04:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
04:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00091182 = 5.1062 BTC [+] {3}
04:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00091074 = 1.3661 BTC [-]
04:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00090964 = 3.6386 BTC [-]
05:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5533 @ 0.00091233 = 5.0479 BTC [+] {3}
05:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00091313 = 6.118 BTC [+]
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05:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.0014996 = 0.15 BTC [+]
05:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
05:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0030911 = 0.1113 BTC [-]
05:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+]
05:50 benkay regarding the recent Bloomberg piece: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/02_the-mad-mad-mad-mad-mr-mihm.html
05:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 226 @ 0.001 = 0.226 BTC
05:51 Duffer1 that article ws pretty low hanging fruit
05:53 benkay my fruits hang pretty low as well
05:55 pankkake cascadia: first province of the cryptostate
05:55 pankkake lol
05:56 benkay gotta give the hipsters something to chew on
05:56 pankkake no RSS feed?
05:57 pankkake found it http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml
05:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00090956 = 23.6031 BTC [-] {3}
06:00 benkay what rss reader do you use, pankkake
06:00 benkay ?
06:03 pankkake tt-rss
06:03 pankkake with newsbeuter
06:07 Duffer1 http://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/1u6jbm/first_guy_to_buy_legal_nonmedical_marijuana_in/
06:07 Duffer1 hate all you want, reddit still delivers
06:09 benkay quality of us "journalism" has declined to the point where the journos are now the story and the story is a picture
06:09 Duffer1 i like pictures
06:10 benkay come march i'll be able to bike across the bridge and get my ganj on in the free market too.
06:12 Duffer1 might even be able to pay btc for it too
06:13 benkay and why would i do that now!?
06:13 Duffer1 smart man
06:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009105 = 9.2871 BTC [+] {2}
06:13 benkay thanks for the post idea: bitcoins aren't for spending. stop being retarded, silicon valley.
06:14 Duffer1 i dunno man, people still need to treat it as a currency to some degree
06:15 Duffer1 if everyone just held then it would be a pure speculation vehicle for fiat and not much else
06:16 Duffer1 was that mihm article yours benkay?
06:17 kakobrekla Decembers result for Panacea: +0.42%
06:17 benkay "to some degree" can be all sorts of things: international transfers, intergenerational transfers, highly obscured transfers, uninterdictable transfers
06:18 benkay some day it'll be useful in day-to-day shit
06:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00318659 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}
06:18 benkay not now. not for ten years, likely as not. and maybe even local fiat is more useful at that point, and those who are lucky enough to hold butts will transfer in and out of local fiat scrip as appropriate for their cashflow needs.
06:19 benkay mircea_popescu has an article about deflationary currencies around somewhere.
06:19 benkay Duffer1: yes, that's mine.
06:19 Duffer1 ah
06:19 benkay you'll note the link to my otc profile at the bottom of the page.
06:19 Duffer1 oh missed that
06:20 KRS|Gotyawallet is it worth looking at otc for good buys or mostly market price?
06:20 benkay what is a good buy?
06:20 KRS|Gotyawallet below market price?
06:21 benkay a good price for a tiny amount of butts, or a clean transaction that keeps your name out of the dirt?
06:21 KRS|Gotyawallet oh i see umm i'm not sure what you mean about the second part
06:22 benkay some people don't really feel like going through the AML/KYC rectal analysis.
06:22 benkay or whatever the eurobutt equivalent is.
06:22 KRS|Gotyawallet ok i was starting to think along those lines- gotcha.
06:23 KRS|Gotyawallet i think its worth looking at then-for sure thanks
06:24 benkay mp says these things and everyone's like "u crazy romanian:
06:24 benkay stfu"
06:26 KRS|Gotyawallet haha
06:26 benkay i suppose he leaves the whys and wherefores to the low hanging fruits
06:27 KRS|Gotyawallet i'm not understanding sturles pricing..weird. wonder if he's quoting pesos
06:28 KRS|Gotyawallet looking for a good deal for say $10K
06:28 KRS|Gotyawallet usd
06:28 benkay firing up an #otc reputation a few months ago and ramping up your trades looks like a real good idea in retrospect, doesn't it?
06:29 KRS|Gotyawallet yes sir
06:30 KRS|Gotyawallet i lost my damn gpg identity
06:30 Duffer1 rather unfortunate username for that plan though man
06:30 KRS|Gotyawallet damn you aint kidding
06:30 Duffer1 i cringe everytime i see thick-as-thieves
06:30 KRS|Gotyawallet theres another KRS so I was going to slowly change over..thanks for making me realize this.
06:30 Duffer1 bro take a second to say that outloud :)
06:31 KRS|Gotyawallet Duffer1: I never understood that about TaT and considering what he does
06:31 Duffer1 ya hehe
06:31 benkay we're all prisoners of our past decisions.
06:31 KRS1 heh thanks
06:32 KRS1 no matter how old i get i never seem to have enough foresight
06:34 Duffer1 ya no doubt
06:35 benkay foreskin, though...
06:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00091052 = 6.8744 BTC [+]
06:47 mircea_popescu kinda low hanging, kinda not put the effort into doing the whole job, either.
06:47 mircea_popescu you can be sloppy and genius, you can be trite and thorough.
06:47 mircea_popescu there's no sloppy and trite prize
06:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.0009108 = 1.5939 BTC [+]
06:48 mircea_popescu ;;seen ThickAsThieves
06:48 gribble ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> CySEC is the Cyprus Exchange
06:48 mircea_popescu no new year's in thieves' land
06:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47327 @ 0.00091379 = 43.2469 BTC [+] {8}
06:49 Duffer1 ah i didn't mean ben's article, i meant the bloomberg one
06:49 Duffer1 easy to pick on
06:50 mircea_popescu wait. benkay now has a blog ?
06:50 Duffer1 apparently hehe
06:50 mircea_popescu lol cool.
06:50 mircea_popescu now we can tell him his blog sucks all the time
06:51 Duffer1 i'll wait till he starts charging for it, then say it sucks so i can get cheaper price
06:51 mircea_popescu lol
06:51 mircea_popescu anyway, bekay : more data less opinion. opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. data is like cunt, everyone needs some.
06:52 mircea_popescu aww didn't mean to hurt his feelers ;/
06:52 Duffer1 hehe
07:02 KRS1 ;;gettrust KRS1
07:02 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask KRS1!~userid@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user KRS1 to user KRS1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=KRS1&dest=KRS1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=KRS1 | Rated since: never
07:03 KRS1 hate starting over
07:04 KRS1 Ah sunrise here on the US east coast. Gonna go enjoy the fresh air with a cigarette.
07:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 502 @ 0.001 = 0.502 BTC
07:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]
07:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00319659 = 0.2078 BTC [-] {2}
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07:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10636 @ 0.00091041 = 9.6831 BTC [-] {2}
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07:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00091177 = 6.8383 BTC [+]
08:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 954 @ 0.00091177 = 0.8698 BTC [+]
08:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 74 @ 0.05 = 3.7 BTC [+]
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08:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.05 = 35 BTC [+]
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08:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
09:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10335 @ 0.00091394 = 9.4456 BTC [+]
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09:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15707 @ 0.00091163 = 14.319 BTC [-] {3}
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09:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00091426 = 12.9825 BTC [+] {2}
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10:33 zacm are we all ready for the morph into govcoin? https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u89qv/why_the_nsa_revelations_make_me_worried_about_the/
10:33 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395757.0
10:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00091069 = 2.0946 BTC [-] {2}
10:40 mircea_popescu dude, some shit made some redditard worried ?
10:40 mircea_popescu this is news.
10:44 jcpham all my boxen were rooted when i got to work
10:44 jcpham new year's hax
10:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00091028 = 8.6021 BTC [-] {2}
10:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00091167 = 5.0598 BTC [+]
10:51 b0n1 someone here having some insight informations about black arrows prospero x-3 asics?
10:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 288 @ 0.05 = 14.4 BTC [+]
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1444 @ 0.05 = 72.2 BTC [+]
10:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00324 = 0.162 BTC [+]
10:57 mircea_popescu b0n1 you mean whether they'l;l be delayed ?
10:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.001 = 0.17 BTC
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 70 @ 0.0037 = 0.259 BTC [-] {3}
11:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9990 @ 0.001 = 9.99 BTC
11:02 asciilifeform http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/12/24/power-station-military-assault
11:02 ozbot 'Military-Style' Raid on California Power Station Spooks U.S.
11:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14059 @ 0.00091445 = 12.8563 BTC [+] {2}
11:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34691 @ 0.00091567 = 31.7655 BTC [+] {4}
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6961 @ 0.00091639 = 6.379 BTC [+] {2}
11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34139 @ 0.00091683 = 31.2997 BTC [+] {4}
11:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3340 @ 0.000093 = 0.3106 BTC [-]
11:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
11:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
11:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02200001 = 0.242 BTC [-] {2}
11:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.34161341 = 23.9129 BTC [+] {8}
11:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34799999 = 1.044 BTC [+]
11:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6166 @ 0.00091719 = 5.6554 BTC [+]
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12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34799999 BTC [+]
12:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00091584 = 15.6151 BTC [-]
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12:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00091262 = 11.8184 BTC [-] {2}
12:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00091017 = 0.3186 BTC [-]
12:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.001 = 0.128 BTC
12:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34833333 = 1.045 BTC [+] {3}
12:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04911104 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {3}
12:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.021016 = 1.0508 BTC [-] {5}
12:45 jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u8c0r/if_you_own_3000_or_more_btc_wall_street_wants/ someone needs to send these people to #assets
12:46 jurov although, i'm not sure wallst. babies would survive here :D
12:46 ozbot If you own 3000 or more BTC, Wall Street wants your advice : Bitcoin
12:48 mircea_popescu herpderp.
12:49 mircea_popescu it'd be really hard to say "My name is Joe Schmoe and I've been working WS for 20 years"
12:50 mircea_popescu it has to be anon. because people with actual jobs and actual histories behave exactly like redditards. it's redditrule.
12:51 mircea_popescu i'm sure if bill gates introduces himself it's never "Hi, I'm Bill Gates, I used to own Microsoft". It's definitely "Hi I'm passionate about lasagna and I have a 20 year career in like computer stuff and such."
12:54 jurov and to valiantly fight cancer and aids
12:56 jurov http://www.businessinsider.com/a-celebrity-will-launch-their-own-coin-in-2014-2014-1 would this be acceptable on bitbet?
12:58 jurov it prolly needs to name the celebs
12:58 jurov aka "either kanye west or justin bieber will start altcoinz"
12:59 jurov lol too much for ozbot?
12:59 mircea_popescu well at least identify the class.
12:59 mircea_popescu "anyone with a platinum record"
12:59 mircea_popescu "anyone with an oscar"
12:59 mircea_popescu etc
12:59 jurov mhm
13:00 pankkake what about dr. dre?
13:00 mircea_popescu course the problem will be some redditard will start a dr dre coin
13:01 mircea_popescu and well... it's unlikely he'll get sued or anyone will actually care.
13:01 jurov if must be officially endorsed by said celeb
13:01 pankkake some retard started a bernanke coin so
13:01 pankkake and it has serious hashpower
13:01 mircea_popescu such as they make a twitter reply going "That;s hot" in responmse to the guy's @ ?
13:02 mircea_popescu basically the problem of postmodernism is that words don't mean anything anymore ;/.
13:02 mircea_popescu attempting to put them to some useful purpose is not much unlike trying to put computers to some useful purpose
13:03 mircea_popescu as computers also long ceased doing anything particular, like say math.
13:04 mircea_popescu i guess i should start my own brand of buttermilk
13:04 jurov http://www.forbes.com/celebrities/list/ seems useable for this
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.349 = 1.745 BTC [+] {2}
13:06 jurov the celebrity could create value for the currency by selling tickets in that currency << Ha. This needs to happen.
13:08 mircea_popescu heh
13:08 mircea_popescu as if sales aren't depressed enough
13:08 mircea_popescu without adding absurd barriers
13:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0000988 = 0.2964 BTC [+]
13:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.34899999 = 3.49 BTC [-] {2}
13:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 134 @ 0.00290003 = 0.3886 BTC [-] {2}
13:16 mircea_popescu lol the guy actually edited his reddit thing to include his name
13:17 mircea_popescu well, so i guess it's time someone tells him about how the unclueless WS has been on assets all this time.
13:17 mircea_popescu and he's welcome to join etc
13:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00090979 = 14.966 BTC [-] {3}
13:23 the20year http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7596-White-Oak-Rd-NE-Bloomingburg-OH-43106/102700676_zpid/
13:23 the20year The things you see when you don't have enough cash....
13:25 mike_c what would you get in rent for that?
13:32 the20year $700/mo
13:32 the20year Maybe $750, the location is fantastic
13:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.001 = 1.5 BTC
13:40 mike_c which is well above what a mortgage payment would cost. craziness.
13:41 asciilifeform mike_c: where's the surprise? slaves get their food cheaper (free!) than free men
13:43 mike_c i am surprised that there is such a group of people that are qualified to rent a home for $700 a month but can't get a $70k mortgage. seems depressing, but I guess there are much worse things in the world.
13:43 the20year Mortgage would run about $200 a month
13:43 the20year Mortgage would require you save some money back for a down payment
13:44 mike_c that's not realistic. would need to get money to fix it up
13:44 mike_c more like 550 probably
13:44 the20year $10k-$15k in repairs
13:44 the20year so a $300/mo mortgage or so
13:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5086 @ 0.0009094 = 4.6252 BTC [-]
13:47 asciilifeform mike_c: all you need to rent for 700 is 700x1 or 2 (security deposit)
13:48 mike_c and a landlord who will take you. i guess if you're in the business of quick evictions you don't worry about reliability much. turnover is a bitch though.
13:48 the20year We get good tenants
13:48 mike_c was that for the record? ;)
13:48 the20year I shoot for turnover every 2 years, with 3 weeks of vacancy
13:48 the20year Yes, it was. There's no reason to get tenants that will tear your house up
13:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0009094 = 12.0041 BTC [-]
14:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0028891 = 0.1127 BTC [-] {2}
14:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00287205 = 0.3332 BTC [-] {4}
14:04 nubbins` lel
14:04 nubbins` pretty crazy scorch marks on the walls
14:04 nubbins` from the heaters :0
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.34985713 = 2.449 BTC [+] {4}
14:07 the20year meh
14:07 the20year not a big fix
14:09 nubbins` yeah, i'm just surprised to see it
14:10 nubbins` guess it's more the wallpaper than anything
14:11 westblc !help
14:11 assbot List of commands:
14:11 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
14:11 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
14:11 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
14:11 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
14:11 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
14:11 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
14:11 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
14:11 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191 @ 0.0009094 = 0.1737 BTC [-]
14:12 westblc !ticker MPEX BTC
14:12 assbot Quest for vision is a great blessing.
14:12 westblc !ticker MPEX LTC
14:12 assbot I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
14:12 mircea_popescu !t m s.mpoe
14:12 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00090583 / 0.000913 / 0.00092376 (946189 shares, 863.87 BTC), 7D: 0.0007653 / 0.00087744 / 0.00092376 (5331526 shares, 4,678.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087587 / 0.00092376 (19902934 shares, 17,432.58 BTC)
14:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4936 @ 0.00090858 = 4.4848 BTC [-] {2}
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14:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5746 @ 0.00090847 = 5.2201 BTC [-]
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.001899 = 0.1709 BTC [+]
14:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000988 = 0.494 BTC [+]
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00091135 = 10.3438 BTC [+] {2}
15:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00320431 = 0.6377 BTC [+] {6}
15:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 754 @ 0.00327973 = 2.4729 BTC [+] {4}
15:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00330876 = 3.3088 BTC [+] {11}
15:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00333193 = 0.1533 BTC [+] {3}
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15:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2852 @ 0.0009148 = 2.609 BTC [+]
15:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 35754 @ 0.001 = 35.754 BTC
15:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6007 @ 0.00009886 = 0.5939 BTC [+] {2}
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15:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00091346 = 0.3197 BTC [-]
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16:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00343688 = 0.3059 BTC [+] {4}
16:32 jurov http://www.coinyewest.com/ ohmydawg...
16:36 wao-ender yeah
16:36 wao-ender also slovak article about CYE is out
16:36 wao-ender :D
16:37 jurov wao right, gotta have your priorities
16:37 wao-ender :D
16:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1681 @ 0.00091277 = 1.5344 BTC [-]
16:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00091276 = 9.4927 BTC [-] {2}
16:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17852 @ 0.00091169 = 16.2755 BTC [-] {2}
17:07 didlySquat anybody know when the BitBet monthly staement will come out?
17:17 jurov didlySquat: should come out till 5th
17:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00342402 = 0.1096 BTC [-]
17:18 jurov also S.MPOE divs should come imminent
17:18 jurov if they aren't deprecated :D
17:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009148 = 4.8027 BTC [+]
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17:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 34461 @ 0.001 = 34.461 BTC
17:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00091067 = 3.0963 BTC [-]
17:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091067 = 5.2819 BTC [-]
18:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00090907 = 41.3627 BTC [-] {8}
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8548 @ 0.00091081 = 7.7856 BTC [+]
18:17 asciilifeform http://www.centennialbulb.org/photos.htm#anchor1234
18:17 ozbot Livermore's Centennial Light Bulb Cam
18:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00090946 = 4.1835 BTC [-]
18:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
18:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090988 = 9.0988 BTC [+] {2}
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19:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.020005 = 0.16 BTC [-] {4}
19:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
19:12 KRS1 hah https://zerogox.com
19:18 twizt no bullshit
19:18 twizt lol
19:18 twizt prolly lotta bullshit
19:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00345 = 0.1173 BTC [+]
19:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
~ 27 minutes ~
19:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00090778 = 5.7644 BTC [-] {2}
19:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34625 = 1.385 BTC [+] {4}
~ 32 minutes ~
20:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC
20:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23362 @ 0.00090942 = 21.2459 BTC [+] {2}
~ 18 minutes ~
20:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00090732 = 10.9786 BTC [-] {2}
20:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00090695 = 7.8905 BTC [-] {2}
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6963 @ 0.00090656 = 6.3124 BTC [-] {2}
21:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [+]
21:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0000989 = 0.989 BTC [-]
21:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
21:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8421 @ 0.00009899 = 0.8336 BTC [+]
21:19 jborkl http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/01/02/kanye-west-now-has-his-own-cryptocurrency-and-its-called-coinye-west/
21:19 ozbot Kanye West Cryptocurrency Coinye West Like Bitcoin | TIME.com
21:19 jborkl :(
21:21 TomServo Wasn't a bet on this topic being discussed just a few hours ago?
21:23 TomServo jurov | aka "either kanye west or justin bieber will start altcoinz"
21:23 TomServo oh man. that's too good.
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7684 @ 0.00090666 = 6.9668 BTC [+]
21:27 mircea_popescu of course... there's absolutely no relation between the two
21:33 asciilifeform big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.
21:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.0009063 = 6.8426 BTC [-]
21:33 asciilifeform (re: 'zerogox')
21:40 mircea_popescu im sure this must have already happened
21:41 mircea_popescu all the "magic trading profits bot" stuff on the forum going on for 1+ years by now ? there's no way it hasn't.
21:45 KRS1 zerogox.com ...seems legit
21:45 KRS1 where do i sign up
21:45 KRS1 ;;lasers
21:45 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
21:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00090889 = 10.4522 BTC [+] {2}
21:47 KRS1 *sniff* Cartier cologne reminds me of lemons
21:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
21:49 testingUnoDosTre How many BTC can I get for a snickers?
21:50 mircea_popescu testingUnoDosTre wrong year.
21:51 testingUnoDosTre femtoBTC?
21:52 testingUnoDosTre mircea, I did not expect you to be alive in this thread, being my first time here
21:53 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1534397/plain/)
21:53 kakobrekla !b 1
21:57 testingUnoDosTre scratch that thought, I was sent here from your twitter page
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00090596 = 12.5022 BTC [-] {5}
22:01 kakobrekla there is no ctrl-z on irc
22:01 mircea_popescu testingUnoDosTre a, you the reddit guy ?
22:02 kakobrekla unlike forums, twitters, facebooks and skypes
22:03 testingUnoDosTre No, I try to stay far away from reddit. Used to frequent battle.net though
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.05 = 0.95 BTC [+]
22:04 mircea_popescu that's interesting. anyway, welcome. there's about 1mn btc represented here, tho most people are not nearly as verbose as me.
22:04 mircea_popescu your essential reading, other than the channel log, is modestly http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ and perhaps http://trilema.com/category/mpex/
22:05 testingUnoDosTre Yes, your websites are far greater reads than the bitcointalk subforums
22:07 mircea_popescu i should hope so :D
22:07 Duffer1 reading bitcointalk is a lot like digging for gold in a sewer
22:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lame bots that merely lift wallets don't count
22:08 asciilifeform gotta bomb the market, induce oscillatory panics, other fun.
22:08 kakobrekla <asciilifeform> big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.
22:08 kakobrekla this?
22:08 kakobrekla must be extra easy
22:08 asciilifeform right
22:09 the20year1 Concerning most assets on mpex, what's the average issuer equity in the stock?
22:09 mircea_popescu yeah, right, because bitcoin is so fragile one man and his genius can fuck it all up.
22:09 mircea_popescu wrong year all over again
22:10 asciilifeform no need to fuck it all up, any more than one nuke needs to demolish a whole planet to be worth setting off...
22:10 testingUnoDosTre I would love to see some of the originally mined bitcoins moved around, just to see some reaction by the market.
22:11 the20year1 Why do you think there would be reactioon?
22:11 kakobrekla there was a huge spike in bitcoin days destroyed
22:11 kakobrekla couple of days ago
22:11 kakobrekla maybe a week?
22:11 asciilifeform testingUnoDosTre: there was a rumory mubling that a few 100K of circa-2010 (?) coins moved, but no one linked to hard data.
22:11 kakobrekla and guess what, we are still here
22:11 testingUnoDosTre Isn't there about 1 million coins in some of the original accounts?
22:12 the20year1 It's around there
22:12 mircea_popescu a little under that
22:12 testingUnoDosTre or sum*
22:12 the20year1 there's half a million coins in accounts from 2009 that are from early miners, no movement
22:12 kakobrekla i guess about same amount is alo lost.
22:12 kakobrekla also
22:12 mircea_popescu kakobrekla wasn't that the reddit guru what's his name, fantomas or something doing a max keiser ?
22:12 asciilifeform traditional belief seems to be that 'they lost their hdd'
22:12 the20year1 only 50% of all created bitcoins have moved
22:12 the20year1 I wish I lost my HD in 2010, instead I got hacked
22:12 kakobrekla mircea_popescu i dont have any info on that
22:13 testingUnoDosTre and what's the total US federal government ownership, 150k?
22:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.0029827 = 0.5518 BTC [+] {3}
22:13 mircea_popescu testingUnoDosTre a little over that by now
22:13 asciilifeform not counting der fuhrer's miners?
22:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 35000 @ 0.001 = 35 BTC
22:14 testingUnoDosTre that will probably go down as the most profitable asset ever seized by the US govt
22:15 asciilifeform i'll break out some evil rumor right here now:
22:15 asciilifeform there are tor exits silently pumping ascii through 'sed' or the like, slipping 'friendly' btc addrs in place of originals.
22:15 asciilifeform not naming names.
22:16 asciilifeform take it with a grain of whatever.
22:17 kakobrekla yeah, well there was a desktop version of such malware which would replace the address once you put one valid in clipboard
22:17 asciilifeform people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps
22:18 kakobrekla i have tiny unencrypted wallet on my win laptop.
22:18 kakobrekla i bet its the first to go in case of shit.
22:18 mircea_popescu no they shouldn't.
22:18 mircea_popescu you have any idea what a pump costs ?
22:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: point
22:19 mircea_popescu let them buy their own propane canisters or w/e
22:19 mircea_popescu and go camping
22:19 asciilifeform kakobrekla: 'if (total < 1.0) exit(0)'
22:19 kakobrekla its more than 1 and less than 10
22:19 kakobrekla but yeah
22:19 the20year1 I wish i would have known the valnerabilities of the bitcoin client and XP when I first got interested in btc
22:20 kakobrekla i know what you are saying
22:20 kakobrekla but who will turn down the change
22:20 kakobrekla in reality, noone
22:20 kakobrekla except the change that is hard to get off
22:20 kakobrekla because of tx fees
22:20 kakobrekla [this happpend before]
22:23 asciilifeform this is why i don't really have any ill-will for crapware artists. they should be seen as educators.
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8134 @ 0.00090573 = 7.3672 BTC [-] {2}
22:26 testingUnoDosTre you're saying its much more hard to keep btc safe on windows?
22:29 kakobrekla windows is like open lobby
22:30 kakobrekla if they are safe there, there is a good chance they are safe elsewhere :)
22:32 testingUnoDosTre you lost my on open lobby, is that some xbox reference?
22:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
22:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00298886 = 0.3557 BTC [+] {3}
22:38 testingUnoDosTre couldn't I be just as damaging on linux while dealing btc as with windows?
22:38 kakobrekla you? maybe. me? no.
22:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 385 @ 0.001 = 0.385 BTC
22:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.353999 BTC [+]
22:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00090715 = 5.1708 BTC [+]
22:46 mod6 (19:17) < asciilifeform> people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps << lol
22:49 kakobrekla you know
22:49 kakobrekla smoking at petrol pump is not as dangerous as it sounds
22:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22402 @ 0.00090743 = 20.3282 BTC [+] {4}
23:00 testingUnoDosTre mircea, can you expound on your Marie Antoinette post
23:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091001 = 12.5581 BTC [+] {3}
23:03 mircea_popescu um
23:04 mircea_popescu what's to expound
23:04 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you seen those "try and light this gasoline with this ciggarete" things ?
23:05 kakobrekla well dunno what i saw, i just know its not really easy
23:05 kakobrekla besides, theres no bangs coming from bosnia, serbia ...
23:05 kakobrekla and they do have petrol stations there, i know that for a fact.
23:07 testingUnoDosTre Well at first, it touches on social revolutions in a negative light.Then the article seems to talk about revolution of self towards the end
23:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02188996 = 0.4597 BTC [+]
23:09 Duffer1 i think the point was 'kill yourself because nothing you do matters'
23:09 Duffer1 at least, that's what i took from it
23:10 Duffer1 don't read too much into it man :P
23:10 kakobrekla yeah, or you will end up smoking ciggs on petrol stations.
23:11 Duffer1 or wishing you were a lone young chick on a train...
23:12 testingUnoDosTre we only have petrol-corn stations in the US now
23:12 kakobrekla so you end up with a lot of popcorn if the thing goes bang?
23:13 testingUnoDosTre yummy
23:14 the20year1 not all stations are gas-corn
23:18 testingUnoDosTre you must not live in the Midwest?
23:20 the20year1 I do , i was assuming you were talking about e85 stations
23:23 testingUnoDosTre No, I thought that everyone was slipping in under 10% lately
23:23 testingUnoDosTre could definitely be wrong though
23:26 mircea_popescu kakobrekla it;s true that gasoline as a liquid will not catch on fire
23:26 mircea_popescu but happily extinguish your ciggarette, like water.
23:26 mircea_popescu as a vapor however...
23:26 kakobrekla yep
23:26 kakobrekla but as vapor you need the right mixture
23:26 kakobrekla also im not sure if a lit cigg will do for vapor
23:26 mircea_popescu to explode. it will burn at pretty much any concentration
23:26 kakobrekla i think you need open light
23:27 mircea_popescu arguably some combos are not too visible
23:28 mircea_popescu testingUnoDosTre it's a film. you seen it ?
23:29 mircea_popescu kakobrekla well... if panacea ever goes negative you can do some experiments :D
23:30 testingUnoDosTre I thought the post was touching more on history than the movie. I did understand that it was a film, but no I have not seen it.
23:33 mircea_popescu try it sometime. the missus will love you for it.
23:47 kakobrekla mircea_popescu im sure there will be negative months, but i would dissolve way before negative nav
23:47 kakobrekla so i think someone else will have to to the experiments
23:48 kakobrekla perhaps write to alberto armandi
23:48 kakobrekla and LEAVE MY ALBERTO ALONE
23:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35399597 = 1.77 BTC [-] {4}
23:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00090509 = 4.1182 BTC [-]
23:51 mircea_popescu lol
23:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.0029889 = 0.5858 BTC [+]
23:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00298952 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2}
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