#trilema | 2013-11-20

yeah the socket adn api is still hosed

00:01

bgupta

ahh... it's totally lagging and trades are from 22 mins ago

00:07

oh well this is good, we'll be down to double digits again

00:07

fuckyea

00:10

[00:05] <MagicalTux> http://www.pubnub.com/console?sub=sub-c-50d56e1e-2fd9-11e3-a041-02ee2ddab7fe&pub=demo&channel=dbf1dee

00:10

9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21&origin=pubsub.pubnub.com <- the live feed is doing fine

00:10

shitpaste

00:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.452 BTC [-]

~ 18 minutes ~

00:33

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11607 @ 0.00009469 = 1.0991 BTC [-]

00:36

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15200001 BTC [-]

00:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.004001 = 0.2561 BTC [-]

00:54

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.03099999 = 0.248 BTC [-]

~ 24 minutes ~

01:18

;;ticker

01:18

MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 527.0, Best ask: 528.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 527.0, 24 hour volume: 98572.30226817, 24 hour low: 475.1, 24 hour high: 819.965, 24 hour vwap: 625.0883

01:18

ha.

01:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00083853 = 7.7983 BTC [-]

01:32

Falling down. Can't do otherwise after such a rapid and ridiculous rise.

01:32

Seems after correction, we'll still have made huge gains over 100USD/BTC

01:33

we did fine. coulda been a lot worse.

01:33

course, the azns don't have anyone keeping an eye on things and it shows. they got lucky this time.

01:34

but they're only on wave two. who knows wtf they cook next time.

01:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]

01:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]

01:47

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.0602 = 0.903 BTC [+] {4}

01:50

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00188 = 0.2989 BTC [+]

01:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00083853 = 3.2703 BTC [-]

~ 24 minutes ~

02:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.484799 BTC [+]

02:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00429999 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2}

02:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0043 = 0.215 BTC [+] {2}

~ 22 minutes ~

02:50

davout check out new trilema paid content mechanism :D

03:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]

03:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [-]

03:05

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11912 @ 0.00084053 = 10.0124 BTC [+]

~ 36 minutes ~

03:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46 = 2.76 BTC [-]

03:52

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]

~ 28 minutes ~

04:20

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 438 @ 0.00084132 = 0.3685 BTC [+]

~ 17 minutes ~

04:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00410001 = 0.2829 BTC [+]

04:41

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.0041028 = 0.8329 BTC [+] {2}

~ 17 minutes ~

04:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00428 = 0.2525 BTC [-]

04:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0042999 = 0.129 BTC [+]

~ 30 minutes ~

05:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]

~ 32 minutes ~

06:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.48816361 = 5.3698 BTC [+] {5}

06:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50479999 = 3.0288 BTC [+] {3}

06:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 134 @ 0.00429977 = 0.5762 BTC [+] {3}

06:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00432831 = 0.4069 BTC [+] {2}

06:12

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00433997 = 0.3255 BTC [+]

06:15

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [-]

06:26

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-]

06:40

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0600103 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3}

06:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084003 = 3.0241 BTC [-] {2}

07:00

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.18356049 = 0.5507 BTC [+]

~ 19 minutes ~

07:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00433 = 0.1949 BTC [-]

~ 17 minutes ~

07:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4529 @ 0.00084441 = 3.8243 BTC [+] {2}

07:39

;ticker

07:39

;;ticker

07:39

MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 467.0, Best ask: 469.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.99500, Last trade: 470.0, 24 hour volume: 92855.34179932, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 748.0, 24 hour vwap: 581.30454

07:42

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-]

07:49

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]

07:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]

07:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]

07:51

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 128 @ 0.00104889 = 0.1343 BTC [+] {2}

07:52

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-]

08:00

[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.55486000 BTC to 1`109`720 shares, 50 satoshi per share

08:13

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00410101 = 0.4306 BTC [-]

08:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.004101 = 0.1845 BTC [-]

08:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00439999 = 0.1452 BTC [+]

08:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0045001 = 0.315 BTC [+]

08:32

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339617.msg3643164#msg3643164

08:32

Gambling script PM: beware

08:32

this is pretty lulzy

08:39

lol

08:39

do you have the link to the file?

08:39

i could ask the girl for it but i'd rather not spread the stuff.

08:39

pm her on the forum asking.

08:40

k

08:40

also in the news :

08:40

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330633.0;all

08:41

Please remove Chaang Noi (Goat) or BadBear from default trust list

08:41

theymos now adding known scammers to the default trust list.

08:42

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339849.0 moar coinbase scammery

08:42

COINBASE RIPPED ME OFF $50k. *WARNING WARNING WARNING*

08:42

the forum is a riot.

08:43

Ukto you seen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337523.0;all ?

08:43

^ That pisses me off a bit.

08:44

Having helped Ukto out, and knowing he is trying to return Bitcoin.

08:44

Or rather, he IS returning Bitcoin.

08:44

how long ago did the thing close ? coupla weeks ? a month ?

08:44

It still isn't closed.

08:44

Bitfunder closes on Dec 4th, i think.

08:44

yeah but i mean the announcement

08:45

The announcement was Nov 4th.

08:45

Ukto

Iam trying to work on things.

08:45

There is no question that it's taking a long time, but that doesn't mean he is running with the money.

08:45

teh ppl are getting antsy i guess.

08:45

Ukto

sometime there are external forces that effect things

08:45

such as?

08:46

well, likely what happened is they wanted to sell

08:46

for sure.

08:46

now that the price bottomed out they're pissy.

08:46

typical commercial dispute.

08:46

also in the news,

08:46

http://bitbet.us/bet/612/asianslave4sales-ipo/

08:46

BitBet - AsianSlave4sales IPO

08:47

wtf

08:47

;;ticker

08:47

MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 529.79001, Best ask: 529.96165, Bid-ask spread: 0.17164, Last trade: 528.80179, 24 hour volume: 85103.40590359, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 748.0, 24 hour vwap: 576.02458

08:47

mircea_popescu, what is the story behind that one?

08:47

jesus god the past coupla days i "lost" like a quarter billion dollars off my net worth!

08:48

:(

08:48

woe is me!

08:48

hah

08:48

i will never be able to care about losing anything ever again ;/

08:48

Should've sold!

08:49

i sold a little.

08:49

we all did. gotta bring things to sanity somehow.

08:51

in the context that you called yourself "the real and only regulating force of bitcoin" (or so) this statement is actually somewhat scarry :p

08:52

whyssat ?

08:53

actually I'd say the mining pool overseers have more regulatory power

08:53

they determine what code is actually enforced

08:54

bitcoin is a fine balance of many things

08:54

as it should be.

08:56

ideally the free market determines the overall regulatory force

08:56

but mircea_popescu has once said, "too soon to tell"

08:56

it's never too soon to be scared tho :D

08:57

nigga I iz from detroit, I got real problems

08:57

(jk)

08:57

how's detroit

08:58

Detroit is actually the best place to start a business for people like yourself tbh.

08:58

The governement's law enforcement has limited bounds due to the rampant criminal activity.

08:58

So it's like Anarchy there in some spots.

08:59

i don't know the people, nor do i care to meet them.

08:59

buy an old house for like 10 g's

08:59

turn it into a fortress

08:59

make it a data center

09:00

you don't even wanna meet Eminem?

09:00

eminem isn't even near the top of the list.

09:01

what rapper would you want to meet?

09:01

any rapper that's a teenage girl with nice hooters and doesn't take her rapping self too seriously.

09:02

nikki minaj circa 2009

09:02

very controversial stance tho!

09:02

i

09:02

'm not that fixated on the teenage part either.

09:03

whose stance, her or mine ?

09:04

yours

09:04

http://cdn.collarme.com/photos/1936083.jpg

09:04

have a plushie.

09:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4600016 = 4.6 BTC [-] {4}

09:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 128 @ 0.00410076 = 0.5249 BTC [-] {3}

09:04

that photo looks like it was taken when hugh hefner didn't have wrinkles...

09:05

so like 2009.

09:06

lol

09:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4535 = 2.721 BTC [-] {4}

09:06

so how goes the ludwig von mises reading?

09:06

you'd probably like murray rothbard too

09:06

i managed to get about halfway his first chapter producing like 11 articles in the process

09:07

in the end i will probably write a million words on that book

09:07

if i ever manage to complete it

09:08

ahaha reddit is so funny. so first,

09:08

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r1gu5/starbucks_to_make_announcement_regarding_bitcoin/

09:08

Starbucks to make announcement regarding Bitcoin by/around Thanksgiving : Bitcoin

09:08

the bet is here : http://bitbet.us/bet/614/starbucks-to-announce-bitcoin-acceptance-on-thanksgiving/

09:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4485 = 3.588 BTC [-] {4}

09:08

207 reddit comments = 0.002 btc zeroconf, or 2% of what bitbet puts in on the house.

09:09

wait they are using reddit to bet?

09:09

on this guise prediction?

09:09

my guess would be this is accurate : every 100k reddit comments = 1 btc

09:09

ystarnaud

reddit... lol

09:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.434 = 2.17 BTC [-] {3}

09:10

we should make a bitbet on it

09:10

but at least they did figure out what to do and everything

09:10

so props to them

09:11

and since we're on the topic of bets :

09:11

http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/

09:11

BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros

09:11

http://bitbet.us/bet/566/simona-halep-to-show-at-au-open/

09:11

BitBet - Simona Halep to show at AU Open

09:12

http://bitbet.us/bet/614/starbucks-to-announce-bitcoin-acceptance-on-thanksgiving/ - ahh there it is

09:12

the odds on those should be pretty good seeing how i went deep on the yes side out of patriotism

09:12

so mircea_popescu would you say your weakness is a solid femme fatale?

09:12

film noir style

09:13

nah. i get along great with those

09:14

mircea_popescu is brock samson

09:14

the femme fatale is the weakness of sexually insecure, latently gay heroes as constructed for the sexualyl insecure, latently gay us public cca 1950

09:14

fucking difficult to be threatened by one once you've had threesomes with her sister.

09:14

not if they trynna con you

09:15

now why would they do that ?

09:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42000002 = 0.84 BTC [-]

09:16

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.42000001 = 1.68 BTC [-] {3}

09:16

Who knows, maybe because you fucked their sister when you said you'd love only them forever and ever.

09:17

i never say that.

09:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.40138484 = 13.2457 BTC [-] {5}

09:18

i know, I was being sarcastic. I like your commentary on the insecure latently gay hero

09:18

reminds of Hitchcock's _Rope_

09:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.39883 = 3.9883 BTC [-] {4}

09:18

since many critics say the "heroes" of that movie were latently gay for one another

09:19

i don't even remember if i saw that one

09:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 197 @ 0.00401556 = 0.7911 BTC [-] {6}

09:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.3637068 = 9.0927 BTC [-] {11}

09:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 613 @ 0.00372514 = 2.2835 BTC [-] {12}

09:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00083853 = 1.7609 BTC [-]

09:33

;;ticket --market all

09:33

Error: "ticket" is not a valid command.

09:33

;;ticker --market all

09:33

MtGox BTCUSD last: 560.0, vol: 85614.29529543 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 499.999, vol: 65844.95948 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.0, vol: 14492.17096987 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 687.019368, vol: 93626.87100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 591.320264032

09:39

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.35122 = 3.5122 BTC [-] {3}

09:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00331465 = 0.3182 BTC [-] {7}

09:45

;;thicket

09:45

Error: "thicket" is not a valid command.

09:48

.bush

09:48

;;shrubbery

09:48

Error: "shrubbery" is not a valid command.

09:50

http://trilema.com/2013/the-reason-you-cant-have-nice-numbers-and-other-considerations/

09:50

The reason you can’t have nice numbers and other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po

09:51

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5010 @ 0.00105487 = 5.2849 BTC [+] {9}

09:51

more stuff about the cardano. basically we're spending an inordinate ammount of time on the rng side of things.

09:53

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.13100005 = 0.262 BTC [-]

09:55

mircea_popescu: people spend billions of dollars on RNG for pure research, so I mean, is that really all that surprising?

09:55

nope.

09:55

it's where crypto implementations live or die.

09:55

yup

09:56

http://www.arc.gatech.edu/ - did work with them, they get couple hundred mil each year just for crypto stuff

09:57

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1010 @ 0.0019098 = 1.9289 BTC [+] {6}

09:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00199999 = 0.18 BTC [+]

10:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00334203 = 0.5882 BTC [+] {3}

10:02

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cellularsolutionsneltd/with/4595275722

10:02

Flickr: Cellular Solutions NE Ltd's Photostream

10:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+]

10:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 752 @ 0.0038 = 2.8576 BTC [+]

10:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+]

10:08

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00199999 = 1.972 BTC [+] {4}

10:14

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mariahsummers/the-16-most-important-bitcoinaires fucking Winklevii

10:16

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.37001 = 1.48 BTC [-]

10:18

"here's a list of 16 entities that'd love to be important in bitcoin"

10:24

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03110666 = 0.1555 BTC [-] {3}

10:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0033 = 0.1518 BTC [-]

10:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00320638 = 0.2661 BTC [-] {4}

10:33

morning, fellow adventurers

10:39

http://blogsofwar.com/2013/11/11/interview-hacker-opsec-with-the-grugq/

10:39

not so bad.

10:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.35796363 = 3.9376 BTC [-] {4}

10:41

mostly for the The hackers are hopelessly outclassed at this game. Hell, the majority of them dont even know that theyre playing!

10:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.37 = 1.11 BTC [+]

~ 15 minutes ~

10:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3709 @ 0.00084517 = 3.1347 BTC [+]

11:02

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15200001 BTC [-]

11:03

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3875 BTC [+]

11:06

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00341 = 0.3444 BTC [+] {2}

11:07

Expecting the tools to provide security for you is like buying a set of weights and then sitting around waiting for your fitness to improve.

11:07

hear,, hear!

11:07

or like getting a coupla bombshells to follow you around and expecting this'll make you seem all cool and shit.

11:08

o, wait...

11:09

...

11:09

Wow.

11:09

i think bombshells following you is a clear indication you are as cool as Bender Rodriguez

11:09

ANyone following this Havelock IPO?

11:09

I know ThickAsThieves is.

11:09

i follow all things

11:10

;;google Bender Rodriguez

11:10

Bender (Futurama) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bender_(Futurama)>; Bender Bending Rodríguez - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: <http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Bender_Bending_Rodr%C3%ADguez>; Bender Bending Rodriguez - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki: <http://theinfosphere.org/Bender_Bending_Rodriguez>

11:10

What do you think?

11:10

thestringpuller is the guy i learn names from.

11:10

The price just seems completely outrageous.

↖

11:10

kleeck everyone imagines they're worth like, a shitton.

11:10

I know! I'm worth at least 20 Billion!

11:11

The defense is that "we don't measure BTC in FIAT" which I get, sure - but that is one way to quantify value against a fluctuating Bitcoin.

11:11

I think they have not appropriately valuated or structured their offering, all factors considered.

11:11

I agree.

11:12

well... experience helps with that.

11:12

and that helps with experience.

11:13

I also think disregarding fiat-influence is one of the core areas of ignorance for harming investors

11:13

http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Security_Issue/en

11:14

this is finance after all, how can you not factor translated values

11:14

it's a complicated problem.

11:15

whoa

11:15

they lost the payment details and everything else ?

11:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.0037 = 0.3145 BTC [+]

11:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.389 BTC [+]

11:15

better. joker patched sshd

11:16

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/15/stealthy_linux_backdoor/

11:17

(in RAM.)

11:18

this is some prime rib right here.

11:18

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/linux-back-door-uses-covert-communication-protocol

11:18

Linux Back Door Uses Covert Communication Protocol | Symantec Connect Community

11:18

i'd say the newsmen are hyping up the novelty a bit

11:18

people have been doing this kind of thing for ages.

11:19

notto hetzner.

11:19

once the chump is rooted, you can do a million different things.

11:19

difference with 'cloud hosting' is that it's more like bird hunting than deer

11:20

one shot, many carcasses.

11:25

[WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer

11:26

pascal2571 you know gribble has a market thing ?

11:26

gotta love how hetzner advices gdb attach for the 'amirooted?' test

11:26

as if joker can't patch gdb

11:26

asciilifeform you download a fresh copy

11:26

from hetzner.

11:27

I did not know that

11:27

let's see here

11:27

;;buy 1 pascal2571

11:27

(buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, (1 more message)

11:27

http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php

11:27

it logs everything there, and it's accessible anywhere gribble goes.

11:31

;;asks 0

11:31

There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 0.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds

11:31

;;asks 99999999

11:31

There are currently 29698.058 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 148418672.73 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.9472 seconds

11:31

;;bids 0

11:31

There are currently 16365090 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 27068826.9028 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.4697 seconds

11:31

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 163 @ 0.0010559 = 0.1721 BTC [-]

11:31

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00199999 = 0.2 BTC [+]

11:34

download a fresh copy, right. patched on the fly. ken thompson.

11:34

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 128 @ 0.00104611 = 0.1339 BTC [-] {2}

11:34

my sarcasm!

11:35

gonna be fun when people actually start to give a damn about pubkey distribution.

11:35

wonder how much executable code going cleartext over the wire gets to the other end unmolested.

11:36

but code wants to be molested.

11:36

tits want to be free

11:36

i won't be surprised to live to see billboards and newspaper ads with rsa pubkeys.

11:36

'diddle this.'

11:36

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 110 @ 0.0010461 = 0.1151 BTC [-] {3}

11:37

i was actually thinking, a pretty decent way to run an underground site would be, have everyone register their ip to a pubkey

11:37

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 112 @ 0.00104604 = 0.1172 BTC [-] {4}

11:38

then add a layer to turn the html into crypted text to keys by ips

11:38

spooks can spook it till they get bored.

11:38

makes repudiation a bit hard. and most lusers have dynamic ip.

11:38

no, makes repudiation very easy

11:39

"so your honor, he claims the site send him this html, to his own key ? well... how can we verify this has anything to do with anything besides his overactive imagination ?"

11:39

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 289 @ 0.00104601 = 0.3023 BTC [-] {3}

11:40

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1540 @ 0.001046 = 1.6108 BTC [-] {2}

~ 17 minutes ~

11:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]

11:59

;; asks

11:59

(asks [--over] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under <pricetarget>. If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over <pricetarget>.

11:59

;; asks 9999999

11:59

There are currently 29747.899 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999.0 USD, worth 100746835.565 USD in total. | Data vintage: 106.4467 seconds

11:59

;;bids 0

11:59

There are currently 16367028 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 27433795.2254 USD in total. | Data vintage: 113.4125 seconds

12:01

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30840 @ 0.0005 = 15.42 BTC {9}

12:02

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 31076 @ 0.0005 = 15.538 BTC {18}

12:03

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 27057 @ 0.0005 = 13.5285 BTC {11}

12:04

Is it customary for a multi-million dollar registered business to withhold information such as the names of its owners/directors? Can we at least get a link to your Facebook page or YouTube account?

12:04

The only info provided is a phone number resolving in Minnesota, USA. Is this also typical for Panamanian corporations?

12:04

dude crumbs is a heavy hitter in the forum nao ?

12:04

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7280 @ 0.0005 = 3.64 BTC {12}

12:04

heh

12:05

"it's the internet, names are for meatspace!"

12:05

herp.

12:05

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4062 @ 0.0005 = 2.031 BTC {8}

12:06

I'm wondering how they came up with an evaluation of 10k BTC

12:06

weird, it's not selling out in 5 mins!

12:06

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3673 @ 0.0005 = 1.8365 BTC {7}

12:06

wasn't it 100k ?

12:06

it was 20% for 5k neh ?

12:07

ah right, I multiplied by the "discounted" share price

12:07

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 164 @ 0.00105592 = 0.1732 BTC [+] {4}

12:07

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3010 @ 0.0005 = 1.505 BTC {4}

12:07

oh, that's today, isn't it?

12:07

discounted share price ?!

12:07

I thought the « half price » woudl attrack more. some sort of black friday nonsense

12:07

attract

12:07

it's half price, must buy!

12:08

jesus the glbse idiocy just won't die already.

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 140 @ 0.00105599 = 0.1478 BTC [+] {3}

12:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3300 @ 0.0005 = 1.65 BTC {5}

12:08

part of me suspects this is going towards covering costs from the havelock mining fund

12:08

i have never seen nonsense so resilient as the stuff nefario pioneered.

12:08

which can't be making money

12:09

why would you need to cover costs ? it's a fund. you report the loss.

12:09

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 303 @ 0.0005 = 0.1515 BTC {4}

12:10

nubbins`: this has 0 to do with the mining fund

12:10

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12410 @ 0.0005 = 6.205 BTC {5}

12:10

ZERO

12:10

mining fund operates completely independently

12:10

yipes! good morning 8)

12:10

and generated over $60,000 equivalent in fiat last month

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14245 @ 0.0005 = 7.1225 BTC {8}

12:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00084587 = 15.2257 BTC [+] {3}

12:11

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]

12:11

folks are actually buying that crap

12:11

topace what's the hash behind it atm ?

12:12

just under 3TH

12:12

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11361 @ 0.0005 = 5.6805 BTC {6}

12:12

what was that command again

12:13

;;genrate 2950

12:13

The expected generation output, at 2950.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.00243415321292 BTC per day and 0.000101423050538 BTC per hour.

12:13

;;genrate 2950000

12:13

The expected generation output, at 2950000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 2.43415321292 BTC per day and 0.101423050538 BTC per hour.

12:14

what's today's fiat equivalent of the money you paid for the hardware?

12:14

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1640 @ 0.0005 = 0.82 BTC {3}

12:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]

12:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30723 @ 0.00084722 = 26.0291 BTC [+] {3}

12:14

doesnt matter, the fund didnt pay for the equipment until it was physically delivered and mining

12:14

o i remember this thing, it was originally waiting for deliveries for a while.

12:15

that was a better than average move.

12:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19277 @ 0.0008501 = 16.3874 BTC [+] {2}

12:15

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 997 @ 0.0005 = 0.4985 BTC {4}

12:16

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30002 @ 0.0005 = 15.001 BTC {2}

12:17

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5186 @ 0.0005 = 2.593 BTC {3}

12:18

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1746 @ 0.0005 = 0.873 BTC {4}

12:19

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1016 @ 0.0005 = 0.508 BTC {3}

12:19

considering the mining fund started with an initial investment of less than $10,000 in fiat, and is now at 3TH with no further outside investment, i think its doing pretty well

12:20

this fiat approach is tricky.

12:20

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30124 @ 0.0005 = 15.062 BTC {5}

12:21

nod

12:21

would the pre-order investors been better off buying bitcoins instead of buying pre-orders for the mining fund? definitely.

12:21

well then.

12:21

fiat is shit. buy a volkswagen.

12:22

but the pre-order investors existed so the fund didnt have to spend bitcoins until mining equipment arrived

12:22

so for hte fund, it was a definite win

12:23

just for kako : http://www.pedalpumpinggirls.com/vw_beetle_bug_girl_cranking_pedal_pumping_003.jpg

12:23

how about for the investors? ;)

12:23

by "the fund" i mena "the funds investors"

12:23

pedal pumping girls lolwtf

12:23

now i'm just teasing

12:23

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1868 @ 0.00007503 = 0.1402 BTC [-]

12:23

also, i accept.

12:23

but i'd be more interested in the BTC-denominated revenue and initial investment than the fiat equivalents

12:24

nubbins`: its all in the financial statements

12:24

available to the public

12:24

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4014 @ 0.0005 = 2.007 BTC {6}

12:25

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2008 @ 0.0005 = 1.004 BTC {3}

12:25

and i guess one for thestringpuller too : http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2012-01-08/1325903458564.jpg

12:25

detroit now has a beach.

12:26

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 13248 @ 0.0005 = 6.624 BTC {6}

12:26

anyone need a btc-e code? looking for paypal, and for some reason im not receiving the withdraw notices from btc-e and my ticket has been unanswered for 11 days.

12:27

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4025 @ 0.0005 = 2.0125 BTC {2}

12:27

well the price has been moving so...

12:29

topace: for mining equipment listed under assets, does the value for each quarter correspond to the resale value, purchase price, or..?

12:29

yeah, i hear you. been fighting this battle with them for months

12:29

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 20000 @ 0.0005 = 10 BTC

12:29

resale value

12:30

or, for most of the fpga's trade-in value

12:30

ok, was just wondering how you arrived at 20 btc for AM blades

12:30

the computers/gpu's were essentially depreciated to 0

12:30

how do you calculate market value for mining gear anyway /

12:30

there isn't much of a 2ndary market gouing or is there ?

12:31

mircea_popescu: multiply by 0

12:31

topace: i dunno, maybe i'm looking at this wrong, but i just see a fund steadily hemorrhaging money

12:31

nubbins`: what quarterly report you lookin at?

12:31

Q2 2013

12:31

most recent one available

12:31

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9045 @ 0.0005 = 4.5225 BTC {4}

12:32

q3 ended neh ?

12:32

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=11

12:32

mp, yes

12:32

almost 2 months ago

12:32

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10007 @ 0.0005 = 5.0035 BTC {2}

12:32

with the diff going the way it's been, any miner out there has been bleeding money.

12:32

course that's mostly since august or so.

12:33

q3 is being worked on and should be up by the end of the week

12:33

we've been rather busy the past few months

12:33

jefito

mircea_popescu

12:33

well yes, hence my assertation that HMF can't be making money

12:33

;;ident

12:33

You are identified as user jcpham, with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 15MDLP4wazp4TP2Josmk1WiZRU5LhFvBCn

12:33

jcpham what, you're thje one miner hitting the green ?

12:33

am i going to get that 30 btc rota pay next month

12:33

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1153 @ 0.0005 = 0.5765 BTC {4}

12:33

i need to know now

12:33

nubbins`: the 20btc was based on resale value/exchange rate at the time

12:33

I'm trying to make some decisions

12:34

fiat value aside, i see 1200 BTC lost in 6 months

12:34

we can discuss privately

12:34

but i forgot and now remembered

12:34

jcpham i ain't making any forward looking statements.

12:34

not lost, spent growing the fund (And paying dividends)

12:34

understood

12:34

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2219 @ 0.0005 = 1.1095 BTC {6}

12:34

mostly to mess with you.

12:34

i'm going to take that as a no for now so i can do what i need to do

12:35

no this is fine

12:35

miners bleeding for sure

12:35

nubbins`: we have 3TH of equipment, fully paid off, and 0 debts

12:35

so what's the resale value of 3th atm ?

12:36

i presume mostly asics ? friedcat's or what ?

12:36

BFL

12:36

mostly

12:36

and KNC

12:36

3th isn't much

12:36

jcpham well it makes 50-60 btc a month even now.

12:36

1st Q 12 Volume ~ ฿180,000

12:36

whats that 12 supposed to mean?

12:36

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 64341 @ 0.0005 = 32.1705 BTC {2}

12:36

2012 i imagine

12:37

what's 3th, something like 2.5kwh ?

12:37

that would mean havelock had 180kBTC in volume in 1st Q 2012?

12:37

wow it does generate that much

12:37

topace: 1600 BTC and 0 TH/s < 400 BTC and 3 TH/s?

12:37

pascal2571: thats in the HIF prospectus? i think thats the estimation for 2014

12:37

i know which one i'd pick

12:37

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 44740 @ 0.0005 = 22.37 BTC {4}

12:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008404 = 2.9834 BTC [-]

12:37

i think that 12 is wrong, it should be 2014

12:38

you have a 180k estimate for 2014 ?!

12:38

wow

12:38

nono

12:38

_STOP_

12:38

just for Q1

12:38

dont confuse the mining fund

12:38

that's the funniest thing i heard all day, by 2014 volumes in 10s of btcs will be something to write home about

12:38

with the havelock exchange

12:38

hahaha

12:38

HIF != HMF

12:38

even now 90%+ of the coinbase is hauled up in matresses.

12:38

yes, we're discussing how HMF lost 1200 BTC but gained a 3 TH/s farm

12:39

not what HIF is up to ;)

12:39

pascal2571 is talking HIF

12:39

o i c.

12:39

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1751 @ 0.0005 = 0.8755 BTC {2}

12:39

not that it makes any diff. 180k isn't happening in 2014. i'd rather believe $1mn bitcoins.

12:41

thats tradinv volume estiamte

12:41

not profit estiamte

12:41

its not possible

12:41

i didn't think it was a profit estimate, no 0.0

12:41

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 580 @ 0.0005 = 0.29 BTC {3}

12:42

has ukyo flwon the coup

12:42

youre talking about a major increase in the amount of coins people are investing and trading in this market

12:42

jcpham naw we were chatting earlier.

12:42

this would require oceans of new coins to be poured into upcoming offerings

12:43

yes

12:43

ThickAsThieves: 8x current quarterly vol

12:43

we're currently doing ~2000BTC/7d, which is ~24000 BTC/quarter

12:43

and thats with the current, stagnant funds

12:43

50+ funds are in the pipeline

12:43

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2018 @ 0.0005 = 1.009 BTC {2}

12:43

and more contacting us every day

12:44

whether the MARKET can handle that is another story

12:44

what about investors?

12:44

lel

12:44

you're looking at the wrong end basically.

12:44

but there's demand out there for the listings

12:44

where do all the new coins come from

12:44

whether the market can handle it is, in fact, the same story

12:44

i agree, we'll need to see a large influx of new investors

12:44

nah, fluency is a major problem in bitcoin, and will aggravate. in 2012 about 50% of coins mined were in circulation.

12:44

today maybe 10% are in circulation.

12:44

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC

12:45

by next year 1% is quite on the table.

12:45

so your volume isnt likely to increase 8x in the face of deflation

12:45

this isn't even deflation, it's a scourge yet unnamed.

12:46

defluence.

12:46

you cant have tons of new investor coins, without tons of new uptake

12:46

whatever.

12:46

the math aint gon jive

12:46

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2520 @ 0.00008199 = 0.2066 BTC [+] {2}

12:47

re: the folks sitting on heaps of obsolete fpga: why hasn't even one started an altcoin with a diddled workfunction

12:47

and raked in the cash

12:47

all im saying is that, 180,000 volume i dont think is out of the ballpark, if we're currently doing 24000 volume with stagnant funds and having put all new listings on hold for 2+ months.

12:48

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 50211 @ 0.0005 = 25.1055 BTC {3}

12:48

asciilifeform they suck up a lot of electricity, and the altcoins have a pretty soiled rep.

12:48

topace you're talking as if funds are chinese food.

12:48

well, i don't think 8x volume is gonna come out of the woodwork just because there's a glut of questionable funds tossed into the sidebar

12:48

topace we know what youre saying, but there remains a gap

12:48

it's not like these coins are out there sitting around waiting for a bad investment opportunity

12:48

trick is to devise an alt where the ideal miner is actually a full fpga.

12:49

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 52293 @ 0.0005 = 26.1465 BTC {5}

12:49

e.g. turingcoin

12:49

quoth very frustrated bitbet mod : "i will not be the least bit surprised if i find the motherfucking penis length and girth of all players in this pile of non-stats befoar i find which freaking games they won."

12:49

180,000 isnt _new coins_ coming in, its trading volume

12:49

you could do 180,000 volume on just a few thousand coins in a month

12:49

you could do it on one coin, sure

12:49

hehe\

12:49

asciilifeform might be an idea, maybe.

12:49

hehe

12:50

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2960 @ 0.0005 = 1.48 BTC

12:50

just like all the notes you need for any bob dylan song are all on a single guitar string

12:50

obv you need new money for new volume, cmon

12:50

and yet you still see people playing with 6!

12:50

mircea_popescu: i've no incentive to do this, but the folks presently stoking their furnaces with old fpgas - do.

12:50

ThickAsThieves: yes definitely need new money. but not the volume estimate equivalent

12:51

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4416 @ 0.00007502 = 0.3313 BTC [-] {3}

12:51

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30001 @ 0.0005 = 15.0005 BTC {2}

12:52

asciilifeform your question just got answered ?

12:52

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10520 @ 0.0005 = 5.26 BTC {4}

12:52

i'd say the average per-person trade volume decreases steadily as the value of btc rises

12:52

nubbins` doing it on one coin didn't work out for burnside too well.

12:52

it sounds like a major uphill battle to increase trade volume

12:52

mircea_popescu: leel

12:52

he's not thinking of closing up shop, is he? ;D

12:52

asciilifeform: I think no one would buy this coin, so no economic incentive. altcoins work because 15 year old gamers can mine them in their moms basements

12:53

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 242 @ 0.0035082 = 0.849 BTC [-] {7}

12:53

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 257 @ 0.00104684 = 0.269 BTC [-] {5}

12:53

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1094 @ 0.0005 = 0.547 BTC {3}

12:53

pankkake: the basic idea of altcoin isn't stupid; only the idea of 'btc with serial num filed off' is.

12:53

pankkake: i thought altcoins worked because there's no second-hand market for fried GPUs and you can't very well just let them sit around unused

12:53

an alt could conceivably provide added value, in the form of resistance to well-funded jokers baking silicon at economies of scale.

12:54

pankkake an altcoin would work well if it satisfied 3 conditions : 1. very respectable core dev team ; 2. very clear even if minor improvements over bitcoin ; 3. lattice-based or otherwise complex algo not easy to asic.

12:54

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 542 @ 0.00104598 = 0.5669 BTC [-] {4}

12:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]

12:54

by altcoin I meant bitcoin fork with meaningless tweaks

12:54

nubbins` you got something there. gotta burn that electricity!

12:54

well non-asic it stupid

12:54

4. (crackpot) could be wangled into carrying out useful computation (e.g. cryptoanalysis)

12:54

mircea_popescu: well, mom's used to paying the bill by this point, right?

12:54

cartman's mom ?

12:55

she ENJOYS paying the bill.

12:55

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3050 @ 0.0005 = 1.525 BTC {3}

12:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]

12:55

heh

12:55

well, being used to something and enjoying it aren't always the same thing

12:56

i'll toss this in for anyone who didn't get a chance to laugh at it last time: picture an altcoin where the workfunction is a blank field in the protocol.

12:56

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1200 @ 0.0005 = 0.6 BTC {3}

12:56

anyway, if you could sell GPUs that have been burned out from mining for a reasonable price, you wouldn't see any of them mining altcoins

12:56

asciilifeform you'd need a blockchain for workfunctions.

12:56

sure.

12:57

basically, an 'altcoin in a can' construction set.

12:57

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 501 @ 0.0005 = 0.2505 BTC {2}

12:57

because not enough parents have stepped on disjointed metal parts enough yet.

12:58

must make more construction sets.

12:58

imperatively.

12:58

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.0005 = 0.975 BTC {4}

12:58

anyone interested in a bet that havelock will close down after collecting the funds of the IPO?

12:58

eh get out, what funds.

12:58

heh

12:59

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10214 @ 0.0005 = 5.107 BTC {3}

13:01

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10603 @ 0.0005 = 5.3015 BTC {4}

13:02

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.0005 = 0.75 BTC

13:03

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1095 @ 0.0005 = 0.5475 BTC {4}

13:03

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.126 = 0.378 BTC [+]

13:04

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10244 @ 0.0005 = 5.122 BTC {3}

13:05

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1021 @ 0.0005 = 0.5105 BTC {2}

13:06

I'm wondering, when will the trading on HIF begin? after the first IPO block or once the whole IPO finishes?

13:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.39266666 = 11.78 BTC [+] {3}

13:07

guessing after the whole thing

13:07

o, you can't trade it atm ?

13:07

only buy ipo

13:08

nubbins`: probably after the first block, but i'll confirm that for you

13:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12068 @ 0.0005 = 6.034 BTC {3}

13:08

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.126 = 1.008 BTC [+]

13:08

oh, even better

13:09

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 805 @ 0.00187912 = 1.5127 BTC [-] {4}

13:10

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 419 @ 0.0005 = 0.2095 BTC {2}

13:11

and what happens if they don't sell their crap within 30 days?

13:11

why so aggro anyway

13:12

tradefortress has everyone worked up

13:12

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11004 @ 0.0005 = 5.502 BTC {3}

13:12

I'm not a fan of these totally made-up evaluations

13:13

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0005 = 2.5 BTC {2}

13:13

lel, samsung owes apple $1b fine, starts delivering it to apple hq in dump trucks full of nickels

13:14

nubbins - story is fake, and 2 years old

13:14

^

13:14

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2850 @ 0.0005 = 1.425 BTC {2}

13:14

pascal2571 i guess people don't trust in the market's pricing abilities.

13:15

most everyone i talk to wants to go in a la hruschev, shoe on table, "this is how much the shares go for"

13:15

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1475 @ 0.0005 = 0.7375 BTC

13:15

playground market surley doesnt know how to price things.

13:16

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2014 @ 0.0005 = 1.007 BTC {2}

13:16

Rawted: :(

13:17

shoulda known better, here in canada at least there are strict laws around how much you can pay w/ coins

13:17

you know, i took about 8 lbs of various coins to the bank, fully expecting them to bitch

13:18

they didn't bitch, they took them in!

13:18

its what they do you know.

13:18

not in the states.

13:18

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10500 @ 0.0005 = 5.25 BTC {2}

13:18

thats normal here.

13:18

the bank doesn't get to be so picky

13:18

many u.s. banks now have coin machines with a funnel

13:18

well it was pleasant so.

13:18

takes a bucket at a time.

13:18

businesses are a different story

13:19

you can legally refuse any amount of pennies over a few bucks

13:19

varies from coin to coin

13:19

even the small local offices have those here.

13:19

those machines.

13:19

yeah, i bank with Chase, and they have the coin machines in every branch. no charge, works great. dump and wait.

13:19

even i think $1 coins top out at around $40

13:19

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC

13:19

thats only new to romania :p

13:19

i paid my house insurance with $5 bills a few months ago

13:19

it's only new to me!

13:19

felt GREAT

13:19

i normally don't pick up the coins

13:20

phun phact: i used one of these machines, and it jammed. bank grunt went in with a putty knife, opened cabinet to reveal... mountain of dirt and leaked coins.

13:20

lmao

13:20

loool

13:20

twist : the machines are operated by the bonanos

13:20

same crews that do vegas.

13:21

aha, here we go:

13:21

http://imgur.com/2xP1UTY

13:21

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12000 @ 0.0005 = 6 BTC {2}

13:21

imgur: the simple image sharer

13:21

$1,100 insurance bill paid in fives

13:21

(they didn't have a money counting machine)

13:22

jesus what the fuck is insurance like over there.

13:22

well that's for a year

13:22

they introduced a mandatory ~15 dollars/year here a few years back and people werer about to riot.

13:23

we're talking home insurance?

13:23

yes.

13:23

like insurance on your house and its contents?

13:23

for $15 a year.

13:23

not the contents.

13:23

just the house.

13:23

still

13:23

what's a house cost

13:23

ikr?

13:23

$1000?

13:23

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [+]

13:23

depends. 20-40k for the average stuff.

13:23

ahhhhh

13:23

but people expect the govt to rebuild their house or give them a new one in case of natural disasters

13:24

oic

13:24

woah

13:24

houses downtown here are $200k+

13:24

which includes shit like, gas leak explosion cause old alzheimer sufferer that didn't get taken to a home and lived alone forgot the stove on

13:24

even in the 'land of the phreee' we don't have this weird expectation

13:24

(this happened recently, and the city got stuck with placing the people somewhere)

13:24

and they're all row houses, so fire is a very, very serious threat

13:24

there's never been a fire here. most everything is concrete prefab

13:24

i couldn't start a fire if i wanted to.

13:24

mostly wood here

13:25

my house is over 80 years old

13:25

people didn't have the luxury of concrete homes here 80 years ago

13:25

american houses burn like matches.

13:25

asciilifeform yeah. a major turnoff for me

13:25

asciilifeform: newer houses everywhere burn like matches

13:25

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC

13:25

all the synthetics

13:25

all that crap plastic and cvasi wood board.

13:25

yeah

13:26

houses here mostly consist of concrete foundation + brick (or cellular concrete)

13:26

however you call it

13:26

ah

13:26

Autoclaved aerated concrete

13:26

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1020 @ 0.0005 = 0.51 BTC {2}

13:26

mostly plywood/OSB here with pine studs and concrete foundation

13:26

its where the third piggy lives.

13:27

most of downtown was rebuilt after 1892 anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stjohns_afterthefire1892.jpg

13:27

fourth piggy lives in a bunker with EMP shield.

13:27

:D

13:27

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1504 @ 0.0005 = 0.752 BTC {3}

13:27

actually the soviet style fully concrete stuff is great for in case of nuclear bombing

13:28

you'll die like half hour later.

13:28

cause of rebars?

13:28

I can't believe they already sold 50% of the first block

13:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00341 = 0.3001 BTC [-]

13:28

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC

13:28

i guess there'd be a little gamma from the rebars, but really, they insulate quite well.

13:28

i lived in a very soviet-esque apartment block in 2nd best korea

13:29

new cracks in the walls every time there was a minor quake

13:29

yeah. i live in a part of romania where there never was a quake.

13:29

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5038 @ 0.0005 = 2.519 BTC {4}

13:29

bucharest and generally the SE however... ouch.

13:29

bad stuff, glad we have virtually no natural disasters here

13:30

was one so bad in the 70s about a fifth of the capital died.

13:30

occasional tail-end of a hurricane

13:30

dc earthquake: http://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/neverforget.jpg

13:30

asciilifeform o wow, bumped their chair!

13:30

that's evil.

13:31

phun phact: i was in an office tower, walked to the stairway and squeezed through a crowd of idiots waiting for... elevator.

13:31

the same people who routinely step into an empty elevator shaft during real quakes.

13:31

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10097 @ 0.0005 = 5.0485 BTC {2}

13:31

aw

13:32

splat.

13:32

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 157 @ 0.001879 = 0.295 BTC [-]

13:32

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 56218 @ 0.0005 = 28.109 BTC

13:33

oh hey, we pumped out a book last night

13:33

5 hours from handwritten notes to first copy printed and bound

13:33

the blockchain is now > 16gb,

13:33

larger than many usb sticks out there.

13:34

just zip it

13:34

http://imgur.com/a/jAOly

13:34

imgur: the simple image sharer

13:34

40 pages, nice quick read

13:34

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10222 @ 0.0005 = 5.111 BTC {2}

13:35

one of those "very clear even if minor improvements over bitcoin " could well be devising a method so only a rolling window of the blockchain needs to be maintained.

13:35

^

13:35

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.37181817 = 4.09 BTC [-] {5}

13:35

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 587 @ 0.0005 = 0.2935 BTC

13:35

just save it in pieces

13:35

allow expanding of blocks to arbitrary size, keep only most recent X blocks, suddenly you can compete with visa.

13:36

so no one person has the whole thing

13:36

ThickAsThieves this isn't rapunzel, this is snowwhite.

13:36

you're thinking of the wrong princess.

13:36

no one person has the whole thing == torrent w/o seeders

13:36

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10010 @ 0.0005 = 5.005 BTC {2}

13:36

exactly.

13:37

just let me keep a backup of it

13:37

s'all good

13:37

that you can do, of course

13:37

but you don't NEED it is all.

13:37

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 79383 @ 0.0005 = 39.6915 BTC {3}

13:38

looks like HIF will sell that first round

13:38

was no pre-announcement or why the dribble aproach ?

13:38

they announced yesterday

13:38

surprise!

13:39

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3001 @ 0.0005 = 1.5005 BTC

13:39

!t h hif

13:39

[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC), 7D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC)

13:40

$260k

13:40

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2279 @ 0.0005 = 1.1395 BTC {5}

13:40

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.001879 = 0.4284 BTC [-]

13:41

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 394 @ 0.0005 = 0.197 BTC

13:42

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11155 @ 0.0005 = 5.5775 BTC {2}

13:43

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 894 @ 0.0005 = 0.447 BTC {2}

13:44

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 33000 @ 0.0005 = 16.5 BTC {3}

13:45

i can confirm that trading will only open AFTER the last block (or the offering is cancelled)

13:45

fun!

13:46

that makes it even more interested

13:46

nod

13:46

sorry flippers!

13:46

interesting, even

13:47

topace: are the blocks being released back-to-back?

13:47

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1777 @ 0.0005 = 0.8885 BTC

13:48

interesting of course

13:49

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC {2}

13:49

man, my sourdough starter is still alive. this is one resilient yeast colony

13:49

literally went a full month without feeding it

13:51

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 262 @ 0.0005 = 0.131 BTC {2}

13:52

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 630 @ 0.0005 = 0.315 BTC {4}

13:52

asciilifeform hey, what ever happened to that guy working on the magical badvirus thingee ?

13:52

i think my wafflemaker is trying to infect my fridge with these patterns right here.

13:53

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC

13:53

mircea_popescu: perhaps the lsd wore off.

13:53

poor guy.

13:54

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10125 @ 0.0005 = 5.0625 BTC {3}

13:54

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 999 @ 0.00194837 = 1.9464 BTC [+] {5}

13:54

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/researcher-skepticism-grows-over-badbios-malware-claims/

13:54

Researcher skepticism grows over badBIOS malware claims | Ars Technica

13:54

im telling you, these waffles are proof in the pudding.

13:55

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2180 @ 0.0005 = 1.09 BTC {2}

13:55

anyone considering infecting bios should focus on: video cards.

13:55

unlike system bios, no signature nonsense of any kind; and only two major vendors.

13:55

whjat the fuck is with the skull

13:55

jesus is there no sane trade rag left already ?!

13:55

what are these people, 12 ?

13:55

bonus points for anyone who manages to pawn the diddled gpu cards to miners.

13:56

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4139 @ 0.0005 = 2.0695 BTC {6}

13:57

'as the toys are, thus also are the players.'

13:57

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1460 @ 0.0005 = 0.73 BTC {6}

13:57

that poor guy, going through gigs of pm logs

13:58

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 401 @ 0.0005 = 0.2005 BTC {3}

13:58

wait, LSD wears off?

13:58

oh god, bbl calling ambulance

14:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+]

14:00

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 660 @ 0.0005 = 0.33 BTC

14:02

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC

14:04

[WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer

14:05

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 325 @ 0.0005 = 0.1625 BTC

14:06

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1595 @ 0.0005 = 0.7975 BTC {3}

14:06

Ukto

jcpham: i am here.

14:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 740 @ 0.0005 = 0.37 BTC {2}

14:11

Ukto: you're making progress with withdrawals? what date are we at right now?

14:12

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 990 @ 0.0005 = 0.495 BTC {3}

14:13

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3999 @ 0.0005 = 1.9995 BTC

14:13

hi ukto

14:14

you didn't scam did you

14:14

;P

14:15

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.0330125 = 0.2641 BTC [+] {2}

14:17

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC

14:21

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11340 @ 0.0005 = 5.67 BTC

14:29

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC

14:30

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC

14:30

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00008199 = 0.6149 BTC [+] {2}

14:32

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC

14:34

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.0005 = 0.2 BTC

14:35

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 21545 @ 0.0005 = 10.7725 BTC

14:37

https://xkcd.com/1293/ now that's an amazing company

14:37

AMAZING COMPANY!

14:37

xkcd: Job Interview

14:37

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00104501 = 1.045 BTC [-] {2}

14:39

http://bou.si/4c/1384952934718.png

14:39

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.0005 = 1.5 BTC

14:40

Who's buying HIF an an implied 50'000 BTC valuation? Not like Havelock has anything to show for such a high valuation.

14:41

Topace, why is it so pricey?

14:41

99% are hoping to flip on the discounted value

14:41

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 842 @ 0.00104501 = 0.8799 BTC [-]

14:42

dolphins

14:42

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999996 = 0.8 BTC [-] {2}

14:42

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19025 @ 0.000075 = 1.4269 BTC [-] {4}

14:43

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10600 @ 0.0005 = 5.3 BTC {2}

14:47

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5040 @ 0.0005 = 2.52 BTC {3}

14:48

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC

14:50

TomServo

http://www.aurichlawson.com/ Looks possible.

14:50

Aurich Lawson | Design + Interactive

14:50

TomServo

Whups, that was in response to MP's "Are these people 12?"

14:52

lol

14:53

pankkake thanks for that, i sent it along to pr. expect to see it on forum a lot.

14:56

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.0005 = 0.103 BTC {2}

14:57

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 35102 @ 0.0005 = 17.551 BTC

15:05

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39995 = 0.7999 BTC [-]

15:11

mircea_popescu: just reading that routejacking is on the up recently

15:12

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10100 @ 0.0005 = 5.05 BTC {2}

15:12

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.032475 = 0.6495 BTC [-] {4}

15:13

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1294 @ 0.0005 = 0.647 BTC

15:18

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00328769 = 0.3353 BTC [-] {5}

15:19

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 232 @ 0.00104501 = 0.2424 BTC [-]

15:21

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 8585 @ 0.0005 = 4.2925 BTC {2}

15:22

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00175101 = 0.6216 BTC [-] {3}

15:22

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC

15:24

dub aha

15:26

not that it poses much risk to mpex

15:28

yeah, wasn't ever a question of that.

15:28

stands to reason bad guys would be trying it on btc services

15:28

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2150 @ 0.0005 = 1.075 BTC {2}

15:29

if not right now, then a little later.

15:29

NSA have QUANTUM, why can't erryone else play too?

15:29

dub quantum fannies.

15:29

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 960 @ 0.0005 = 0.48 BTC {2}

15:29

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00175101 = 0.3502 BTC [-]

15:30

superposition of the cock

15:30

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1035 @ 0.0005 = 0.5175 BTC {2}

15:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+]

15:32

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7407 @ 0.0005 = 3.7035 BTC {2}

15:35

why don't mo niggas use elliptic c curve cryptographyy?

15:36

because they're paraplegic.

15:36

good answer

15:36

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC

15:36

I like my encryptions curvy

15:37

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 427 @ 0.0005 = 0.2135 BTC

15:38

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2443 @ 0.0005 = 1.2215 BTC {3}

15:40

pankkake hashes BBW

15:42

quick question, if details about the implemention are logged publicly here, about cardano s.nsa, won't that make it less secure?

15:42

deadweasel how would it ?

15:43

alass, I have only questions, as usual.

15:43

alas*

15:43

security by obscurity doesn't work for long

15:43

well, think about it. in principle anyone can buy one

15:43

and take it apart.

15:43

what's a secret implementation going to do ?

15:43

further: would you really buy it if any of the design details were secret?

15:44

i am guessing he would :D

15:44

aficionados of mystery meat should buy crypto hardware from classic nsa.

15:45

i don't think I would think about it that much.. which is why I don't need one quite yet. ;)

15:45

hmm i couldn't find a havelock bet so I made onee

15:45

gotta fix my personal security habits before cardono is at all useful.

15:45

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10067 @ 0.0005 = 5.0335 BTC {2}

15:45

thestringpuller: link?

15:46

i'm on slow internet my page is still submitting the form

15:47

o,where is cardano documented?

15:47

i mean, implementation details

15:47

-assets logs

15:47

didn't know if implementation was secret, or needed to be.

15:48

i only see a discussion that rng may be sealed.. nothing more concrete

15:48

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 372 @ 0.0005 = 0.186 BTC

15:49

jurov it wasn't ever very detailed.

15:49

me either, just verifying details wouldn't give away some kind of attack vector. but I don't know about these things.

15:49

jurov: unlike, say, the 'IBM 4764' mysterymeatbag, physical tamper resistance is explicitly not a goal.

15:49

deadweasel actually it's probably going to be useful in the sense that it makes it easy to learn i think

15:49

it's why I invest it others to do it for me :)

15:51

the fact that the rng board is separate is interesting… perhaps we'll see more products based on it? :)

15:51

and more rng board types.

15:51

sexy. I just want random data feeds, I don't have much use for the cardano!

15:52

board was build separately mainly for testing. final product may include embedded rng, but certainly with an external override.

15:52

but yeah the idea is to keep modularity. we want to be able to reuse as much as possible of trhe shiot we make in other things down the road.

15:52

would be cool if it can be pried off and connected to rpi gpio pins or such

15:53

selling a standalone usb rng would be a little too niche to market, i guess?

15:53

current design draft has a toggle that converts the unit into a pure rng

15:53

these guys did it http://www.entropykey.co.uk/

15:53

(appears as 'usb serial' device.)

15:53

oh wow. I had no idea. that's the fucking tits.

15:54

nice job guys :D

15:55

as it works with bitbet, i am here to receive all praise please. if anything breaks or malfunctions then talk to asciilifeform

15:56

so, business as usual?

15:56

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1712 @ 0.00084001 = 1.4381 BTC [-] {2}

15:56

division of labour is what made america great!

15:57

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 659 @ 0.0005 = 0.3295 BTC

15:57

also, semi-retarded and unable to fend for ourselves..

16:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 4.52100600 BTC to 358`810 shares, 1260 satoshi per share

16:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]

16:01

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30000 @ 0.0005 = 15 BTC

16:04

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC

16:05

http://bitbet.us/propositions/ - the first one if accepted

16:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC

16:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 17.64732447 BTC to 13`311 shares, 132577 satoshi per share

16:12

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 955 @ 0.00104501 = 0.998 BTC [-]

16:13

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37600001 = 0.752 BTC [-]

16:13

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1012 @ 0.0005 = 0.506 BTC {2}

16:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.37564444 = 16.904 BTC [-] {6}

16:15

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC

16:16

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 710 @ 0.0005 = 0.355 BTC {2}

16:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.375 = 7.5 BTC [-]

16:26

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3009 @ 0.0005 = 1.5045 BTC

16:27

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 511 @ 0.0005 = 0.2555 BTC {3}

16:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 165 @ 0.36322473 = 59.9321 BTC [-] {6}

16:30

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 259 @ 0.00307651 = 0.7968 BTC [-] {7}

16:30

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9489 @ 0.0005 = 4.7445 BTC

16:31

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC

16:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 189 @ 0.0031 = 0.5859 BTC [+]

16:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.36090909 = 3.97 BTC [-] {2}

16:32

Arnold Schwarzenegger agreed to appear in a mega-budget historical adventure called Crusades for Mario Kassar's company Carolco Pictures. When the projected budget went past $200 million, financing collapsed, despite pre-production expenditure of $20 million. Instead of collecting his play-or-pay $15 million, Schwarzenegger asked for all rights to the script in the hope that one day he could get it made.

16:33

possibly the worst call in history.

16:33

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1700 @ 0.0005 = 0.85 BTC

16:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.34813762 = 2.7851 BTC [-] {5}

16:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.33 = 1.65 BTC [-]

16:34

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1040 @ 0.0005 = 0.52 BTC {2}

16:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.003001 = 0.1531 BTC [-]

16:34

mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls :)

16:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3298 BTC [-]

16:37

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6260 @ 0.0005 = 3.13 BTC

16:38

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0005 = 2.5 BTC

16:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.311 = 0.622 BTC [-] {2}

16:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00300001 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}

16:43

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3598 @ 0.0005 = 1.799 BTC

16:45

flushed.

16:48

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 303 @ 0.00300001 = 0.909 BTC [-]

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-]

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30000033 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}

16:49

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.0005 = 0.2 BTC

16:50

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00300066 = 0.9002 BTC [+] {7}

16:51

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.29284 = 4.3926 BTC [-] {3}

16:51

hmm

16:52

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1475 @ 0.0005 = 0.7375 BTC {2}

16:52

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.29000666 = 1.74 BTC [-] {2}

16:53

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 350 @ 0.001045 = 0.3658 BTC [-]

16:54

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.28791943 = 10.3651 BTC [-] {4}

16:55

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 903 @ 0.0005 = 0.4515 BTC {3}

16:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.275 BTC [-]

16:57

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 21300 @ 0.0005 = 10.65 BTC {2}

16:57

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25010777 = 2.251 BTC [-] {2}

16:58

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.25003333 = 0.7501 BTC [-] {2}

16:58

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC

16:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 124 @ 0.00275 = 0.341 BTC [-] {2}

16:59

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.001752 = 0.191 BTC [+]

17:00

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 146 @ 0.00276712 = 0.404 BTC [+] {4}

17:02

!last havelock am1

17:02

Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.25003333 BTC [-]

17:02

!ticker havelock am1

17:02

[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.25000000 / 0.37415694 / 0.52889999 (576 shares, 215.51439967 BTC), 7D: 0.25000000 / 0.46830041 / 0.64190000 (2029 shares, 950.18152791 BTC), 30D: 0.25000000 / 0.62384256 / 1.06000000 (6576 shares, 4102.38865801 BTC)

17:03

;;calc (0.52 - 0.25) / 0.52

17:03

0.519230769231

17:03

...

17:04

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 855 @ 0.0005 = 0.4275 BTC {2}

17:05

what exactl;y were you expecting ?

17:07

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6000 @ 0.0005 = 3 BTC

17:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 798 @ 0.0005 = 0.399 BTC {2}

17:08

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 287 @ 0.00270009 = 0.7749 BTC [-] {6}

17:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 193 @ 0.0027 = 0.5211 BTC [-]

17:11

HIF is going fast.

17:12

I haven't had any chance to run the numbers yet. I assume, knowing TAT, that they look good? Anyone run them yet?

17:12

notrly.

17:12

see teh log, it's been discussed to death

17:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2149 @ 0.0027 = 5.8023 BTC [-]

17:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.24042857 = 1.683 BTC [-] {2}

17:18

so I read the log. and no, it hasn't really been discussed to death. at least not in the log buffer I have back 3 hours ago.

17:18

Urushiol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2013#385440

17:19

thanks

17:19

if np stands for no problem, the mp stands for my pleasure ?

17:20

:D

17:20

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.0005 = 0.503 BTC {2}

17:20

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.258 BTC [+]

17:21

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23533333 = 0.706 BTC [-] {2}

17:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.25245 = 1.0098 BTC [+] {2}

17:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2565 = 0.513 BTC [+] {2}

17:29

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.272495 = 0.545 BTC [+] {2}

17:30

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4602 @ 0.00007449 = 0.3428 BTC [-] {8}

17:31

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3395 BTC [+]

17:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3395 BTC [+]

17:32

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00339 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2}

17:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0034 = 0.17 BTC [+]

17:39

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]

17:40

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.165 = 0.825 BTC [+]

17:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.36491666 = 2.1895 BTC [+] {4}

17:41

kakobrekla check this out, it's teh butthurt parade : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3656725#msg3656725

17:41

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.0005 = 0.3 BTC

17:42

the guy actually went to the trouble to get yet another sock out of noob jail because one more sock, one more vote, and this works in bitcoin.

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.0005 = 0.3 BTC

17:43

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0031 = 0.62 BTC [-]

17:44

"i just tweeted about it"

17:44

STOP EVERYTHING

17:45

lol

17:45

as if there ever existed a twitterho that'd have eschewed linking their 50 follower twitter account to that announcement.

17:45

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/jerry-moran-bitcoin-reddit-senate-panel/

17:45

The Daily Dot - Before Bitcoin panel, senator crashes Reddit for advice

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC

17:45

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.36 = 0.72 BTC [-]

17:46

Before Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) addressed his colleagues about Bitcoin Tuesday, he did what any person in power who's a little confused about a complicated should do.

17:46

He went to the experts. Specifically, he went to Reddit's r/Bitcoin to ask them what the fuss was about.

17:46

ahahahaha

17:46

o.m.f.g.

17:46

this is gold

17:46

this is like... almost better than bitcointalk

17:46

Those redditors, as redditors are wont to do, offered a mixed bag of responses. Some were flippant, some mistook him for Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.),

17:46

totally. they're the experts.

17:47

couple of morans

17:47

http://moranswithsigns.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/moran-sign.jpg

17:51

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1435 @ 0.001045 = 1.4996 BTC [-]

17:53

lol what would you expect from reddit?

17:54

well thedailydork brought the lulz.

17:56

mircea_popescu comments spam here we come.

17:57

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10359 @ 0.0005 = 5.1795 BTC

17:57

kakobrekla let the kids have fun lol.

17:57

comedy fucking gold.

17:57

i hate kids. and i had fun once. it was awful.

17:58

lol

17:59

kako gettng a vasectomy

17:59

?

17:59

those are not allowed here if you dont have 1 kid or smth

17:59

unlucky

18:00

there is a shot u can take that lasts 10yrs fyi

18:01

who cums in a vagina anyways

18:01

i do.

18:01

0.0

18:01

lol are we on a long tangent about kids because reddit has kids?

18:02

why is there laughs about the senator asking ppl stuff, maybe he couldnt find real experts..

18:02

or reddit is composed of kids?

18:02

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.00175047 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {3}

18:02

thestringpuller no, some muppet tried to hax bitbet, failed, lost some btc

18:02

as a result he came here to bitch, bored people to death

18:02

as a result went to bitcointalk to complain there, mpoe-pr was mean to him

18:03

so now he's organising a boycott and spamming bitbet comments.

18:03

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC

18:03

hey, free advertising!

18:03

oh fun?

18:03

mircea_popescu:

18:03

i forgot to send in wager on my bet

18:03

it was kinda lulzy atm

18:03

http://bitbet.us/bet/147/mtgox-out-of-business-by-end-of-year/#c1805

18:03

BitBet - MtGox out of business by end of year

18:03

can I just remake and resend with wager?

18:04

oh shit this is good mp, i irlold

18:04

i am behind seven lols!

18:05

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1198 @ 0.001752 = 2.0989 BTC [+] {2}

18:05

fuck the whole thread is golden

18:06

[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+]

18:08

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 346 @ 0.0005 = 0.173 BTC

18:10

it is.

18:10

oh my

18:10

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3657060#msg3657060

18:10

Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet

18:10

deadweasel how dare you win

18:10

;;seen benkay

18:10

benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <benkay> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cellularsolutionsneltd/with/4595275722

18:10

;;seen smickles

18:10

smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, and 24 seconds ago: <smickles> $avg

18:12

couldn't help myself! he's so deluded still. hope it doesn't break his head.

18:12

was gonna tell him mpoe-pr would host his boycott page, but can't speak for the girl.

18:13

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 725 @ 0.0005 = 0.3625 BTC

18:13

i dunno if she has any hosting available.

18:14

ah well, slanderous souls are still not allowed to post so what choice do i have

18:14

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35843999 = 1.7922 BTC [-] {3}

18:14

live vicariously through us, until you free, kakobrekla

18:14

kakobrekla you're missing out on so very much not being able to personally argue with idiots...

18:15

isnt that what keeps the price up?

18:15

i tell you, i die a little inside each day because i don't post on reddit, retardstalk, thedailydork, theverge etc

18:15

kakobrekla I would suggest finding out the details of who owns Bitbet and threatening a suit if they don't return the BTC.

18:15

i hope you're done wearing tshirts

18:15

it's all suits for you from here on.

18:15

uhh

18:15

where's the guy with his bitbet competitor?

18:16

hahaha

18:16

with no fees, he was just going to make money from shorting bbet IIRC

18:16

pankkake he's working night shifts

18:17

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7599 @ 0.0005 = 3.7995 BTC {2}

18:19

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 212 @ 0.00318018 = 0.6742 BTC [-] {4}

18:19

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC

18:21

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2017 @ 0.0005 = 1.0085 BTC {4}

18:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.0031 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {2}

18:23

kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3657192#msg3657192

18:23

it's not over even

18:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.38504175 = 6.5457 BTC [+] {7}

18:24

lmao, dont mention the wrong tld to him.

18:24

> Taking into consideration that the site is a .com it falls under US law

18:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00339997 = 0.357 BTC [+] {2}

18:24

so many lawyers fond of bitcoin in here

18:24

yeah, com stands for Comerica

18:24

no srsly, they are "pretty sure" shit could bne done

18:24

by other people.

18:25

i'm pretty sure that by reading this statement, you owe me 1 BTC

18:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00339997 = 0.221 BTC [+] {4}

18:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00083546 = 3.3001 BTC [-]

18:25

http://marysdiary.com/

18:25

Marys Diary App

18:25

shit. where do i send

18:25

the dork's signature ? some marijuana growing shit ?

18:25

1BitcoinEaterDoNotSendabcfgfgd

18:25

or whatever it is

18:26

OMG dis is the best app eva

18:26

so some dweeb growing bud illegally is going to take down sites legally. morpheus.

18:26

ok just dont write any such lines any more

18:26

hey, a grow log

18:26

a grow log app **

18:26

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.38 = 1.52 BTC [-]

18:26

know what growers need? an electronic log of their illicit activities, on their phones

18:26

LOL

18:27

imagine the money this'd bring in on facebook!

18:27

dude growing is legal in washington and oregon

18:27

and like colorado

18:27

SO

18:27

you know

18:27

I don't thing people there give a shit at this point

18:27

kakobrekla: txid or the lines continue!

18:27

[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5719 @ 0.0005 = 2.8595 BTC

18:27

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2300 @ 0.00339995 = 7.8199 BTC [-] {6}

18:27

hold on a sec my blockchain just crashed

18:27

could take 2 months to rebuild

18:27

try reconnecting to another blockchain

18:28

im trying, it wont budge.

18:28

fuck

18:28

blast this technology!

18:28

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 260 @ 0.00310002 = 0.806 BTC [-] {3}

18:28

nubbins` no, it's golden. the money morpheus dude figured it all out.

18:29

guess he took the green pill

18:29

ahahaha

18:29

oh hey, HIF batch 1 sold out

18:29

kakobrekla make a forum thread ?

18:29

o wait, you can

18:29

't. well i guess you're fucked then buddy

18:29

:'/

18:29

if only you could have made a forum thread about it.

18:30

missed opportunities

18:30

"Thieves seldom prosper. You had to buy your trust. You have to rip people off at your betting site (don't say you're not connected) and your exchance is a ponzi, money laundering scheme. You literally can't do anything honestly."

18:30

talking about useful things in the room nubbins`?

18:30

i'm sad now.

18:31

wait wait

18:31

Sue me. I could do with the discovery documents. A new age of bitcoin has come. People like you need to get out. But you will be held accountable in the end. Scum

18:31

omfg. ahahaha.

18:31

a new age :0

18:31

i better wash my suit

18:31

is it a new age of growing weed, too?

18:31

btctalk seriously hit some new highs

18:32

in the sense of you know... lows.

18:33

he's probably going to offer you to buy him out a bit later

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.371 = 0.742 BTC [-] {2}

18:33

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00300031 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}

18:33

that's the new things to do with casinos it seems

18:33

-s

18:34

hm i just noticed your for pay trolling services pankkake, is the price still same?

18:34

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.031 = 0.124 BTC [-]

18:34

[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14000001 = 0.28 BTC [-]

18:34

it'd better not be, btc went up

18:34

who cares about USD

18:35

wordcount

18:35

the pricing is bad anyway

18:35

that'd be a good title. Count Wordcunt

18:35

ideally, it should be "pay what you want"

18:36

no cause gay ppl would hire you all the time to troll for them and pay in sex.

18:36

I've had two offers, and didn't make anyone pay because there was pretty much no results

18:36

well, no gay sex and no litecoins please

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2100 @ 0.0000709 = 0.1489 BTC [-]

18:36

[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.03099999 = 0.806 BTC [-]

18:36

tlc ?

18:37

ixcoin then

18:37

hehe

18:37

trollcoins, not tender love and cwhateveer

18:37

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]

18:41

I need to work on Bernankoin again. believe it or not, the most annoying part is renaming "Bitcoin" strings

18:41

no awk where you live ?

18:41

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2284 @ 0.00007087 = 0.1619 BTC [-] {4}

18:42

not that simple

18:42

perhaps I should fork an altcoin instead

18:43

pankkake fork an altcoin and make it back into bitcoin.

18:43

too late, someone did it

18:43

"everyone's doing soemthing! we'll do nothing!"

18:43

well, not exactly, but one guy made a scrypt bitcoin

18:43

but it uses the old blockchain etc

18:44

so if you install it, you get on that forked chain

18:44

a

18:44

it's the only banned altcoin on bitcointalk

18:44

wait it's banned ?! why ?!

18:44

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05800001 = 0.464 BTC [-] {2}

18:45

you mean litecoin?

18:45

aah, my sides

18:45

because it reuses everything in ~/.bitcoin so you can't really use it in parallel with bitcoin. it's guaranteed to make noobs cry

18:45

[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.058 = 0.348 BTC [-]

18:45

o o o

18:45

good reason actually.

18:46

that's like libreoffice forking openoffice and keeping the name openoffice

18:46

kakobrekla: also "Any respected member of the community can get a free trial, provided they give a rating afterwards (good or bad)."

18:46

free trial of the altcoin ?!

18:46

they what, send you mining gear ?

18:46

no, of the trolling service

18:46

heh

18:47

people always assume i'm trolling :(

18:47

mircea_popescu: is source for eulora 0.0.3 available?

18:48

i don' even know

18:48

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-20/maduro-decrees-showering-venezuelans-250-average-samsung-trinkets

18:48

Maduro's First Socialist "Decree" - $250 Samsung Trinkets For Every Venezuelan | Zero Hedge

18:48

best answer ever

18:48

at least it's honest ;/

18:48

heh

18:48

nubbins` there is a source published but i think slightly older

18:49

yeah, had trouble compiling that one, figured i'd give the new one a shot if it was around

18:49

and there's a huge code returmoilizing going on atm so i think after this is stabilized.

18:49

ah yeah

18:49

if it still won't work, at least it definitely won't work in a different way

18:49

i don't think it'll be possible it not works the same way as prev one.

18:50

oh maybe. osx uses llvm-gcc, which caused some issues

18:50

could work through it to a point by replacing it with a traditional gcc, but that just creates more problems later

18:50

i'm not that advanced.

18:51

neither am i, apparently 8)

18:51

:p

18:52

pankkake maduro is the chavez clone they got ?

18:52

shit, i'm assocaite dwith bitbet nao.

18:53

I guess you'll have to start paying me

18:53

:P

18:53

yes… this country is turning into shit fast

18:53

the US is in deep shit already though

18:56

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37000001 BTC [+]

18:56

a link in the thread of gold made me re-read the log here.

18:56

"nubbins`:

18:56

male roommate seems distinctly more impressed by nsa + vag photo than my wife"

18:56

does that mean your roommate is more impressed with my shirted girl than with your wife

18:56

or than your wife is impressed with same shirted girl

18:57

deadweasel im not paying you because you sent in your application too late.

18:57

can i get it refunded?

18:57

yes. one second.

18:57

http://www.27bslash6.com/images/spiderdrawing.gif

18:57

deadweasel what did u apply for?

18:58

oh, i can see how that would be ambiguous

18:58

lol

18:58

when did your room mate see your wife naked anyway

18:58

it's a gif, I was waiting for it to move dammit

18:58

deadweasel http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html

18:58

let me think this through

18:59

roommate was more impressed by vag than wife was

18:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00338999 = 0.2983 BTC [+] {2}

18:59

aok

18:59

that's not really proper syntax either

18:59

but it's clearer, at least

18:59

make it a quatrain.

18:59

ooh, I think I've seen that story elsewhere

18:59

than my wife, my roomate

18:59

impressed all the more he was

18:59

with the pubis and cuntal suggestion

18:59

of the girl in the nsa shirt

18:59

(i swear it rhymes in jabanese)

18:59

u have a roommate and a wife?

19:00

hah

19:00

truffles: that was the most confusing to me

19:00

i have two roommates and a wife

19:00

pankkake if you did it was stolen. it's this guy's.

19:00

nubbins` guess what ? so do i! the wife changes among the three periodically.

19:00

i thought i was the only one clueless

19:01

oh cool!

19:01

truffles, you are D;

19:01

i know, thats y i ask questions

19:01

no better way to learn, keep it up

19:01

i will thanks

19:01

gotta make my brain useful u know

19:01

anyway, i like people and i like having my mortgage mostly paid for by others

19:02

pretty much win-win for me

19:02

so u arent mircea_popescu's roommate?

19:02

not afaik

19:02

altho those guys living with the dread pirate roberts didn't know until after the fact

19:03

1 woman 3 husbands kinda thing ?

19:04

not sure exactly his arrangement, you'd have to ask him

19:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2378 @ 0.00083546 = 1.9867 BTC [-]

19:09

'yes officer I knew my all along about his illegal internet drug empire'

19:09

"we even smoked stuff he brought home"

19:10

I hid a kilo of his coke in my ass

19:10

"i kept some. it;s hidden. would you like to look for it up my rectum ?"

19:10

exactly.

19:10

story checks out

19:13

;;ticker

19:13

MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 637.99998, Best ask: 642.8981, Bid-ask spread: 4.89812, Last trade: 642.8981, 24 hour volume: 86931.12318318, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 650.0, 24 hour vwap: 551.11511

19:13

is anyone else experience extreme lag with bitcoinity?

19:13

no

19:13

the shit doesn't auto refresh for me

19:14

seems to match whats on the sockets

19:14

trades used to come in "real time"

19:14

pascal257

[WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer

19:14

but now I have to refresh the page to get them to show up

19:14

so I dunno wtf is up

19:14

have you tried turning it off and back on again?

19:15

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00338505 = 0.2674 BTC [-] {3}

19:15

haha

19:15

hahahaha

19:15

thestringpuller your browswer prolly choked on the memory leaking. relaod it ?

19:16

choked on the memory leaking

19:16

do you by any chance work for juniper networks?

19:16

browsers are like windows 9x these days. they don't last a few days of uptime

19:17

too much nsa in ur tabs

19:22

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3657668#msg3657668

19:22

Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet

19:22

re: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4

19:22

who's fat?

19:22

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37100001 = 0.742 BTC [+]

19:23

the guys who is pretending to be mpoe-pr obv

19:23

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.371 = 2.226 BTC [-] {3}

19:24

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3702 = 1.851 BTC [-] {3}

19:24

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 10907 @ 0.001045 = 11.3978 BTC [-] {3}

19:24

http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=17 hmmm

19:24

#bitcoin-assets bash

19:24

it's frustrating that mpoe-pr was actually respectful and helpful for most of that conversation, and snackman just kept crying and not listening.

19:25

respectful?

19:25

link plz

19:25

yeah, like actually trying to explain things to him

19:25

;;ticker

19:25

MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 622.5, Best ask: 624.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 622.5, 24 hour volume: 86363.14823813, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 650.0, 24 hour vwap: 550.7514

19:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 3985 @ 0.00339988 = 13.5485 BTC [+] {6}

19:25

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3645066#msg3645066

19:25

Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet

19:26

"I understand that it's hard not to take it personally when you've lost BTC, but no, seriously, if you're into BTC I think it'd be great if you spent the time and the energy (this isn't "condescension", again; it takes a lot of time and energy, far more than most people are used to expending, to wisely and correctly handle Bitcoin"

19:26

i guess frustrating because i tried the same when he was crying in this channel, and got just as far.

19:26

bascially he used "bets of bitcoin" like a web wallet?

19:27

and refused to try to understand double spending

19:27

i didnt get respectful out of that, it wasnt the usual though

19:38

"Unconfirmed bets are not refunded. Kindly see FAQ, and include tx fees next time. Think of the miners!" >>> as a gambler id be pissed if it was 10 cent

19:39

the lesson here is really do not send money from another service that isn't even a web wallet, there is zero guarantee it would be sent on time

19:39

especially if you encounter a have-to-wait-for-cold-storage situation

19:40

i dont think thats the lesson i got

19:40

its that tough shit, we got ur money

19:40

why learn when you can blame others?

19:40

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.371 BTC [+]

19:40

something like that.

19:40

lol

19:46

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 364 @ 0.00175 = 0.637 BTC [-] {2}

19:53

speaking of the entire psychopath thing, anyone heard anything of eclipse anymore ?

19:53

(the one pool run by the one guy that decided it's a good idea to get pissy with me)

19:55

you mean the one who made biwikley payouts so coins would sit in pirates wallet?

19:55

biweekly

19:55

or twice a month to be exact

19:55

there was an argument what biweekly means somewhere

19:56

now im scared to use it

19:56

hehe

19:56

semi monthly?

19:56

yeah, biweekly means twice a week

19:56

bimonthly

19:56

I thought it meant you liked male weeks and female weeks

19:58

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 850 @ 0.00175 = 1.4875 BTC [-] {2}

19:58

that's ovester. like semester, but with womanly bits.

19:59

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.39944999 = 1.5978 BTC [+] {2}

19:59

anyway. that's all for me. see you all before 1000

20:02

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3995 BTC [+]

20:03

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00175001 = 0.1645 BTC [+]

20:04

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999997 BTC [+]

20:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00315855 = 0.4896 BTC [-] {4}

20:10

[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.124 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}

20:15

[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 43 @ 0.00347 = 0.1492 BTC [-]

20:19

biweekly means every two weeks

20:19

bicentennial means every 200 years

20:19

save it for when he is back

20:19

:(

20:19

biweekly mortgage payments

20:19

actually i think that argument was in here

20:21

http://blog.jim.com/crypto/rdrand.html

20:21

RDRAND « Jim’s Blog

20:29

biweekly means twice a week

20:31

Ademan

ASICMINER's dividend was weak super weak, this isn't a good trend...

20:31

Ademan

s/weak //

20:39

except when it means every two weeks

20:47

so today we learn languages do not make sense?

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21:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.35000001 = 0.7 BTC [-]

21:12

asciilifeform: I liken that sort of stuff to the people who support Elliptic curve cryptography because the short keys let minimalist embeded smartcard hardware carry out thousands of operations a second as opposed to hundreds for RSA with appropriately long keys.

21:15

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/smart-tv-from-lg-phones-home-with-users-viewing-habits-usb-file-names/

21:15

telescreen!

21:16

"It sounds like the premise of a Philip K. Dick story" wait, what?

21:17

yeah more details here http://doctorbeet.blogspot.com/2013/11/lg-smart-tvs-logging-usb-filenames-and.html

21:17

this is why I don't have a "smart" anything

21:25

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.38999996 = 2.34 BTC [+] {5}

21:25

I've went from smart phones to a new prepaid burner every few months. Eventually I imagine I'll stop even that.

21:27

how anonymous are you with that?

21:27

I think even prepaid cell phones in France require you to activate it in some non-anonymous way

21:27

but it's not really an issue. I just don't put anything important in my nonfree stuff

21:34

pankkake: Well here the ATT GoPhones can be activated with themselves, seem the most anon I've found so far. I imagine not too anonymous though because of calling patterns and such.

21:34

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.39639999 = 2.7748 BTC [+] {4}

21:38

what is it you think you are doing that requires this level of inconvenience?

21:41

presumably you're not obtaining internet access in any way that links to you

21:42

you've never sent or received an email with your name in it

21:44

and clearly everyone you communicate with using this burner-go-round uses the same practise

21:45

actually doing that would probably qualify you quickly as a terrorist

21:46

well if they dont what you are doing is completely pointless

21:47

I can't fathom a reason to deprive yourself of modern luxuries in this manner unless you actually are a terrorist

21:48

maybe just practicing for being a terrorist.

21:48

dub: Mostly avoiding ex's. I mean I'm mentioning this in plaintext from an internet connection so it is already practically public.

21:49

I though aspire to be a techno hermit.

21:53

The idea of requiring some sort of proof of work to contact me unsolicited is appealing.

21:53

BingoBoingo: just don't answer any email that doesn't include a unique tx-id of one satoshi sent to you.

21:54

maybe it will catch on.

21:54

didn't facebook do that?

21:54

anyway one of the proof of work ideas was actually to fight spam

21:54

+first

21:55

just do away with authentication altogether

21:55

asciilifeform: I'm at the moment finding it useful to simply require people to learn to GPG to discover my email address.

21:55

make your emails fungible

21:55

I don't really understand why it didn't catch on

21:55

I'm doing greylisting, which is kind of similar now

21:55

because its retarded

21:55

reputation systems work better

21:56

(they still suck)

21:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00083456 = 5.0074 BTC [-] {2}

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22:19

dub I'm trying to sell an mp and get some credibility to the point where I can close my bank account.

22:21

sorry wrong channel

22:22

in this channel, I'm trying to get tech support for eulora.

22:23

so that I can make money enough money on video games to quit my job

22:28

pro gamers in eulora already?

22:29

actually, I can't get past install, but I can dream.

22:32

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 151 @ 0.00104202 = 0.1573 BTC [-] {5}

22:33

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 98 @ 0.00104202 = 0.1021 BTC [-] {2}

22:34

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 678 @ 0.00104164 = 0.7062 BTC [-] {6}

22:35

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 587 @ 0.00104007 = 0.6105 BTC [-] {8}

22:36

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 579 @ 0.00103983 = 0.6021 BTC [-] {9}

22:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.0008307 = 2.1598 BTC [-]

22:38

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 4193 @ 0.001035 = 4.3398 BTC [-] {5}

22:39

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 120 @ 0.00103001 = 0.1236 BTC [-] {4}

22:40

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 124 @ 0.00102528 = 0.1271 BTC [-] {3}

22:41

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1354 @ 0.00102199 = 1.3838 BTC [-] {7}

22:42

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2111 @ 0.00102094 = 2.1552 BTC [-] {5}

22:43

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2193 @ 0.00101633 = 2.2288 BTC [-] {7}

22:44

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1163 @ 0.00101527 = 1.1808 BTC [-] {6}

22:45

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 836 @ 0.00101147 = 0.8456 BTC [-] {4}

22:46

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 8356 @ 0.00101095 = 8.4475 BTC [-] {7}

22:47

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2873 @ 0.0010096 = 2.9006 BTC [-] {5}

22:48

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5577 @ 0.001003 = 5.5937 BTC [-] {5}

22:49

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 363 @ 0.00100054 = 0.3632 BTC [-] {4}

22:51

heh

22:52

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 11434 @ 0.001 = 11.434 BTC [-]

22:55

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]

23:07

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]

23:07

[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.001752 = 0.1752 BTC [+]

23:09

[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00349499 = 0.1957 BTC [-]

23:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.0008307 = 1.2045 BTC [-]

23:16

I can't believe I forgot to propose a BitBet for Anand vs. Carlsen

23:17

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]

~ 16 minutes ~

23:33

I just like the match up where even though Anand is defending the title, his challenger has a manager and staff such that Anand seemed the underdog going into this in the popular narrative. Very Rocky III like.

23:44

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 129 @ 0.00100999 = 0.1303 BTC [-] {2}

23:46

I just hope Anand takes his last two games as white as an opportunity to break this god damned Ruy Lopez monotony.

23:52

[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 110 @ 0.001022 = 0.1124 BTC [+]

23:52