Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-05-12 | 2013-05-14 → ↓
00:00 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.0149 = 0.4172 BTC [+]
00:03 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01495 = 0.299 BTC [+]
00:12 assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000695 = 0.0014 BTC [-]
00:19 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 149 @ 0.01495 = 2.2276 BTC [+]
00:23 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01495 = 0.299 BTC [+]
00:27 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01497 = 0.1946 BTC [+]
00:31 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539978 BTC [+]
00:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5801 @ 0.00070757 = 4.1046 BTC [-]
00:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00070579 = 1.1286 BTC [-]
00:38 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500008 BTC [-]
00:38 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500007 BTC [-]
00:50 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.169999 BTC [+]
00:54 assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00304 BTC [+]
00:54 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500005 BTC [-]
00:55 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500004 BTC [-]
00:55 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.5 = 7.5 BTC [-]
00:55 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.49 = 14.9 BTC [-]
00:56 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 61 @ 0.01497 = 0.9132 BTC [+]
00:56 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 101 @ 0.01497 = 1.512 BTC [+]
00:59 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.010098 = 0.101 BTC [+]
01:00 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.537999 BTC [+]
01:00 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.538 = 7.69 BTC [+]
01:00 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539995 BTC [+]
01:01 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.537998 BTC [-]
01:01 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.53995 = 30.799 BTC [+]
01:01 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.54 = 4.62 BTC [+]
01:03 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014975 BTC [+]
01:07 ThickAsThieves Friedcat just sold 140 more blades
01:08 ThickAsThieves at 49.99btc ea
01:08 ThickAsThieves thats 190 sold this week
01:08 inhies \o.
01:08 ThickAsThieves 9498.1 BTC
01:10 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539989 BTC [-]
01:12 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.014975 = 0.1048 BTC [+]
01:14 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.194959 BTC [+]
01:15 Diablo-D3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo&feature=player_embedded
01:16 topace_ !ticker h asicm
01:16 assbot [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.01465000 / 0.01477454 / 0.01494499 (3632 shares, 53.66111326 BTC), 7D: 0.01290000 / 0.01473886 / 0.02820000 (42993 shares, 633.66801842 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.01473886 / 0.02820000 (42993 shares, 633.66801842 BTC)
01:18 ThickAsThieves WTB AM Shares in Bulk, Looking for more sellers!
01:19 inhies bah!
01:21 KRS-1 is bitcoinity down for anyone else
01:21 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.014975 = 1.0033 BTC [+]
01:23 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 135 @ 0.00318 = 0.4293 BTC [-]
01:23 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 200 @ 0.002817 = 0.5634 BTC [-]
01:23 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 21 @ 0.002816 = 0.0591 BTC [-]
01:23 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2500 @ 0.00278 = 6.95 BTC [-]
01:24 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 218 @ 0.002778 = 0.6056 BTC [-]
01:24 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 487 @ 0.002775 = 1.3514 BTC [-]
01:24 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 284 @ 0.002765 = 0.7853 BTC [-]
01:24 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.002764 = 0.0111 BTC [-]
01:25 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.0151 = 0.4228 BTC [+]
01:33 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539974 BTC [-]
01:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539975 BTC [+]
01:35 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539975 BTC [+]
01:36 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539975 BTC [+]
01:36 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.194929 BTC [-]
01:37 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19493 BTC [+]
01:38 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.53998 BTC [+]
01:38 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.53998 = 7.6999 BTC [+]
01:38 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.010098 = 0.101 BTC [+]
01:45 Namworld ;;seen DeaDTerra
01:45 gribble DeaDTerra was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 23 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <DeaDTerra> chaotic...
02:00 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539999 BTC [+]
02:00 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.539999 = 3.08 BTC [+]
02:02 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0151 = 0.453 BTC [+]
02:12 assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 20 @ 0.0175 = 0.35 BTC [-]
02:13 assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 30 @ 0.017 = 0.51 BTC [-]
02:13 assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [-]
02:13 assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0151 = 0.151 BTC [-]
02:13 assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [-]
02:18 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.54 = 3.08 BTC [+]
~ 23 minutes ~
02:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2722 @ 0.00070579 = 1.9212 BTC [-]
02:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2764 @ 0.00070578 = 1.9508 BTC [-]
02:43 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.544998 = 7.725 BTC [+]
02:44 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.544998 = 27.81 BTC [+]
~ 20 minutes ~
03:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.544999 BTC [+]
03:08 assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.301851 BTC [+]
03:09 assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.30185 BTC [-]
03:09 assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.301842 BTC [-]
03:10 assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-]
~ 16 minutes ~
03:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070663 = 3.0533 BTC [+]
03:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1469 @ 0.00070695 = 1.0385 BTC [+]
~ 17 minutes ~
03:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070694 = 3.0547 BTC [-]
03:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4129 @ 0.00070695 = 2.919 BTC [+]
03:45 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.01509 = 0.6791 BTC [-]
03:46 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.0151 = 0.2869 BTC [+]
~ 17 minutes ~
04:03 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.520009 = 3.04 BTC [-]
04:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.520001 BTC [-]
04:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.510001 BTC [-]
04:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.51 = 7.55 BTC [-]
04:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00070695 = 2.8646 BTC [+]
04:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7594 @ 0.00070722 = 5.3706 BTC [+]
04:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 56 @ 0.01491 = 0.835 BTC [+]
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070621 = 3.0515 BTC [-]
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6432 @ 0.00070618 = 4.5421 BTC [-]
04:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1697 @ 0.00070578 = 1.1977 BTC [-]
04:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00306958 = 1.6883 BTC [+]
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 459 @ 0.00306302 = 1.4059 BTC [-]
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3091 @ 0.00306301 = 9.4678 BTC [-]
04:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 459 @ 0.00306301 = 1.4059 BTC [-]
04:39 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00094 = 0.0019 BTC [-]
04:39 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.00079 = 0.0095 BTC [-]
04:39 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00077 BTC [-]
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2806 @ 0.00070722 = 1.9845 BTC [+]
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070775 = 3.0582 BTC [+]
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3773 @ 0.00070776 = 2.6704 BTC [+]
04:39 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 250 @ 0.000751 = 0.1878 BTC [-]
04:40 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 450 @ 0.00075 = 0.3375 BTC [-]
04:40 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1000 @ 0.000651 = 0.651 BTC [-]
04:42 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00061 BTC [-]
04:42 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0006 BTC [-]
04:43 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.0006 = 0.012 BTC [-]
04:43 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2999 @ 0.000511 = 1.5325 BTC [-]
04:45 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539 BTC [+]
04:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.01491 = 0.8946 BTC [+]
04:54 davout hi all
04:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4616 @ 0.00070776 = 3.267 BTC [+]
04:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070899 = 3.0635 BTC [+]
04:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 743 @ 0.000709 = 0.5268 BTC [+]
05:03 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539899 BTC [+]
05:03 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5399 BTC [+]
05:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.54 = 7.7 BTC [+]
05:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.542 BTC [+]
05:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.544997 BTC [+]
05:04 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.544998 = 3.09 BTC [+]
05:05 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0151 BTC [+]
05:05 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.544999 = 33.99 BTC [+]
05:08 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [+]
05:22 leotreasure https://soundcloud.com/djleo/bitcoin
05:23 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01471 BTC [-]
05:24 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.107 = 0.642 BTC [-]
~ 19 minutes ~
05:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00070575 = 2.3996 BTC [-]
05:48 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549397 BTC [+]
05:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.23 BTC [+]
06:01 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
06:15 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549397 BTC [+]
06:17 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0151 = 0.0302 BTC [+]
06:23 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.015119 BTC [+]
06:24 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 71 @ 0.01512 = 1.0735 BTC [+]
06:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549398 BTC [+]
06:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.549398 = 7.747 BTC [+]
06:31 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203107.msg2129982#msg2129982
06:31 mircea_popescu so basically if the russians actually deliver their 400th or w/e
06:32 mircea_popescu a. i will have been right that the asic winner was not known all through
06:32 mircea_popescu b. asicminer is what, 5% of that ?
06:34 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.01512 = 0.8618 BTC [+]
06:42 KRS-1 oh dear the Russians are coming
06:43 mjr_2 hi all
06:44 KRS-1 Good Merning
06:44 mircea_popescu yeh.
06:44 mjr_2 good morning
06:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5957 @ 0.000709 = 4.2235 BTC [+]
06:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5843 @ 0.0007105 = 4.1515 BTC [+]
06:48 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.01512 = 0.6048 BTC [+]
06:49 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 78 @ 0.01521 = 1.1864 BTC [+]
06:51 assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.449999 BTC [-]
06:54 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01521 = 0.1673 BTC [+]
06:56 davout ohai
06:56 fiat500 what is this room
06:57 kakobrekla this is the room.
06:57 KRS-1 you should try #bitcoin-anal instead
06:57 mjr_2 hey davout and kakobrekla
06:57 mjr_2 whats new
06:57 kakobrekla hi
06:57 kakobrekla 25 alt chains.
06:58 mjr_2 lol
06:58 kakobrekla ah sry that was yest
06:58 mjr_2 i thought i saw them all going down
06:58 kakobrekla yep
06:58 mjr_2 also, i think we are at the start of a mini rally
06:58 kakobrekla and btc is next omg bbq
06:58 kakobrekla hm?
06:58 mjr_2 i am going to show off this idea (project buttonwood) at the conference
06:58 mjr_2 that has nothing to do with the rally lol
06:59 mjr_2 i just think we are gonna see a pop today
06:59 davout KRS-1: i left #bitcoin-anal when there was only jurov and me in the chan, was getting awkward XD
06:59 mjr_2 i never understood the purpose of that chan
06:59 jurov (^^)
06:59 mjr_2 anyway, today is the second open outcry exchange!
07:00 davout mjr_2: my gf never understood the purpose of anal sex, yet ...
07:00 mircea_popescu http://www.startribune.com/local/207070851.html
07:00 mircea_popescu Two months before that, attorney Thomas P. Lowe of Eagan was suspended for a minimum of 15 months for having a sexual relationship with a client he was representing in a divorce case, and including the time spent during their trysts in his billable hours.
07:00 davout mjr_2: yay!
07:00 mircea_popescu fiat500 this is the room where we do bitcoin finance.
07:00 mircea_popescu who are you ?
07:00 davout mircea_popescu: classy
07:00 mjr_2 please upvote if you have a few secs
07:01 mircea_popescu davout lawyers, right ?
07:01 davout yup
07:01 mircea_popescu will expect you to pay for the time they take fucking your wife.
07:01 davout :-)
07:02 davout mircea_popescu: i'd totally pay her hourly rate to fuck our lawyer
07:02 davout http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/174309_1015604382_734562_n.jpg
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2163 @ 0.0007105 = 1.5368 BTC [+]
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11578 @ 0.00071102 = 8.2322 BTC [+]
07:05 kakobrekla hm
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00071114 = 2.4179 BTC [+]
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00071178 = 2.9895 BTC [+]
07:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6759 @ 0.00071222 = 4.8139 BTC [+]
07:06 kakobrekla should i pursue anal convesation or the rally pop conversation
07:06 davout lol
07:06 davout cut the pear in two as we say, let's talk about the anal pop
07:06 kakobrekla lol
07:07 davout i'm going to write a song
07:08 davout gonna call it "I FUCKING HATE ACCOUNTING"
07:08 davout anyone up for a jam ?
07:08 jurov *takes
07:08 jurov dun dun dun dunudnudn
07:09 davout lol, let's do it
07:09 davout jamming over skype, probably the easiest and fastest way to lose your mental sanity
07:11 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-]
07:11 jurov skype jam.. no thanks. imma rather have afternoon nap
07:12 KRS-1 lol davout
07:12 KRS-1 idk its mircea_popescu's chan I was just holding it open for him
07:12 mircea_popescu it's my chan ?!
07:12 mircea_popescu dude! /msg chanserv FLAGS +m
07:12 KRS-1 when I tried taking it didnt you say you got that room a while ago but can't remember why..
07:12 KRS-1 guess there really is no need to for a dual purpose bitcoin channel with a focus on rectal health..
07:13 mircea_popescu o you were talking of -anal
07:13 mircea_popescu i thot you were talking of this one
07:14 KRS-1 maybe we should party in there just one more time on say Friday night maybe..one final blowout.
07:15 assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [+]
07:15 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
07:16 KRS-1 im seeing bearish signals on my graphs..was there selloffs coming today or this week maybe
07:16 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01521 = 0.0456 BTC [+]
07:21 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514002 BTC [-]
07:27 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01521 = 0.1217 BTC [+]
07:27 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514001 BTC [-]
07:28 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.015233 = 0.0305 BTC [+]
07:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.547999 BTC [+]
07:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.53 BTC [-]
07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00071155 = 0.925 BTC [-]
07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070813 = 3.0598 BTC [-]
07:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8079 @ 0.00070791 = 5.7192 BTC [-]
07:36 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.53 = 3.06 BTC [-]
07:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [-]
07:40 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514002 BTC [-]
07:42 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.514 BTC [-]
07:43 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
07:43 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.010098 BTC [+]
07:45 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.501001 = 3.002 BTC [-]
07:45 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.501 = 6.004 BTC [-]
07:48 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501001 BTC [+]
07:49 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501003 BTC [+]
07:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070791 = 0.9203 BTC [-]
07:54 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501002 BTC [-]
07:56 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501001 BTC [-]
07:57 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501 BTC [-]
07:59 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.50001 BTC [-]
08:03 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.50001 BTC [-]
08:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3823 @ 0.00070791 = 2.7063 BTC [-]
08:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070722 = 3.0559 BTC [-]
08:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10056 @ 0.00070721 = 7.1117 BTC [-]
08:07 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
08:10 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
08:11 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01473 = 0.0442 BTC [-]
08:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94 @ 0.00070721 = 0.0665 BTC [-]
08:25 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.01495 = 1.2259 BTC [+]
08:26 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01495 BTC [+]
08:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00070669 = 7.2082 BTC [-]
08:30 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01495 = 0.6279 BTC [+]
08:30 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01473 = 0.545 BTC [-]
08:31 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19446 BTC [-]
08:31 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 63 @ 0.01473 = 0.928 BTC [-]
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00070575 = 3.1406 BTC [-]
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070542 = 3.0481 BTC [-]
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00070541 = 5.0437 BTC [-]
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12729 @ 0.000705 = 8.9739 BTC [-]
08:41 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.523994 BTC [+]
08:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.000705 = 8.8125 BTC [-]
08:54 assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00304 = 0.0061 BTC [+]
08:57 deadweasel ;;ticker --last
08:57 gribble 117.89999
09:07 inhies blah
09:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2687 @ 0.00070669 = 1.8989 BTC [+]
09:09 assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.412 BTC [-]
09:09 assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.411002 = 0.822 BTC [-]
09:12 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500001 BTC [-]
09:12 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.5 = 4.5 BTC [-]
09:13 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
09:14 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.495108 BTC [-]
09:14 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4951 = 2.9902 BTC [-]
09:14 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.495 = 7.475 BTC [-]
09:14 error4733 ;;next
09:14 error4733 ;;ticker
09:14 ThickAsThieves gribble is napping
09:15 error4733 again
09:15 error4733 thick, how do you see this week ?
09:16 error4733 140$ or 90$ friday ?
09:16 Uglux MPOE-PR bitching in AM thread -> popcorn time
09:16 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.523999 BTC [+]
09:16 ThickAsThieves I stopped watching closely because I believe the fundamental low has risen enough to make us stable above 105 or so
09:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 349 @ 0.01471003 = 5.1338 BTC [-]
09:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 151 @ 0.01471002 = 2.2212 BTC [-]
09:17 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
09:17 ThickAsThieves won't start watching again til this weekend
09:17 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.524 BTC [+]
09:18 error4733 with the convention ?
09:18 ThickAsThieves nah
09:18 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.524 BTC [+]
09:18 ThickAsThieves that's just when I think the bottom might meet current price
09:18 ThickAsThieves interested to see if that gets us back into steady-rise mode
09:19 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.524 = 3.048 BTC [+]
09:20 Uglux what happened to our supernode? was he raped?
09:20 error4733 i have a bet, 500$ by end of summer !
09:20 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
09:20 ThickAsThieves error, that's quite a risky bet
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 519 @ 0.00070669 = 0.3668 BTC [+]
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00070809 = 1.2392 BTC [+]
09:21 error4733 yes i know ! that why is a 10Ā€ bet :D
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 381 @ 0.00070842 = 0.2699 BTC [+]
09:22 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.524499 BTC [+]
09:22 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5245 BTC [+]
09:22 error4733 I need some avalon chips ! ? any link for a auction or a sell ?
09:23 ThickAsThieves search forum
09:23 ThickAsThieves there are several
09:24 error4733 do u vouch for 1 ?
09:24 ThickAsThieves no
09:24 error4733 :D
09:24 ThickAsThieves I think it's wste of time to buy chips unless you have big plans
09:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01491 BTC [+]
09:26 ThickAsThieves MPOE-PR has some worthy points about AM, but they are hard to swallow when they are dripping with vindictiveness
09:26 Uglux https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187663.0 is a german groubuy
09:27 error4733 thx
09:28 inhies ThickAsThieves: well said
09:29 error4733 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202600.0;topicseen
09:29 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549788 BTC [+]
09:30 ThickAsThieves error4733, that kind of thing is indistinguishable from a scam
09:30 error4733 so my wet dream to bought some chips and send it to this guy is just a wet dream ?
09:30 Uglux must be scam ;)
09:30 ThickAsThieves if it quacks like a duck...
09:33 error4733 Q. Will you do escrow?
09:33 error4733 A. No.
09:33 error4733 byeeeeeee
09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.000705 = 5.8163 BTC [-]
09:33 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
09:34 ThickAsThieves oh
09:34 Uglux escrow? John (John K.) is the real supernode in bitcoinland
09:34 ThickAsThieves he charges too much
09:34 Uglux yea
09:34 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0149 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
09:34 ThickAsThieves i understang getting paid
09:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549787 BTC [-]
09:34 ThickAsThieves but on bigger deals, 1-1.5% is a bit much
09:35 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549789 BTC [+]
09:35 error4733 he charges for escrow ? always tought he asked for tips, not a %
09:35 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549786 BTC [-]
09:35 ThickAsThieves he changed
09:35 ThickAsThieves cuz no one tipped
09:35 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.502001 BTC [-]
09:35 ThickAsThieves cant blame him
09:35 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.549786 = 4.6494 BTC [+]
09:35 ThickAsThieves but he needs a better scale
09:36 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.510345 BTC [-]
09:36 error4733 he take 1-1.5% of all blade money ????
09:37 sdfdsf hello
09:37 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [+]
09:37 ThickAsThieves dunno
09:37 error4733 ;;ticker
09:39 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
09:39 ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats
09:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.000705 = 4.512 BTC [-]
09:44 error4733 bc,stats : avalon you're good, AM you're good, BFL you're fucked
09:45 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01494 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
09:46 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.0149 = 0.2533 BTC [-]
09:46 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01473 = 0.545 BTC [-]
09:46 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01472 = 0.1325 BTC [-]
09:47 sdfdsf this is dead
09:47 sdfdsf anyone here
09:47 sdfdsf ????
09:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01471002 = 2.2065 BTC [-]
09:49 ThickAsThieves whats up with all the disconnects?
09:54 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-]
10:08 jurov ThickAsThieves: freenode's still under ddos
10:09 ThickAsThieves ah
10:09 jurov https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FreeNode&src=hash
10:10 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.01494 = 0.5677 BTC [+]
10:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00070646 = 3.5323 BTC [+]
10:10 ThickAsThieves what's the point of ddosing freenode?
10:11 ThickAsThieves trying to sneak in to grab pw's somehow?
10:12 jurov dunno
10:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.547999 BTC [+]
10:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548 BTC [+]
10:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548897 BTC [+]
10:26 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01495 = 0.2243 BTC [+]
10:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014905 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
10:27 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 110 @ 0.01495 = 1.6445 BTC [+]
10:37 ThickAsThieves Public confirmation that TAT Investments hold more ASICMINER shares than it has sold: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199449.msg2132062#msg2132062
10:38 ThickAsThieves I also have plenty more coming in from incoming deals.
10:45 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.513 BTC [-]
10:46 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.512005 BTC [-]
10:47 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.512004 BTC [-]
10:48 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.512 BTC [-]
10:48 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01495 = 0.1495 BTC [+]
10:49 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
10:49 deadweasel http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/
10:49 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511001 BTC [+]
10:49 deadweasel how will this be judged? if they get a usb powered jalepeno? an SC that is within 10% power? Did they specify power?
10:50 deadweasel for anything beyond jalepeno?
10:50 deadweasel just wondering if they ship something within' that range, like an SC.. the bet should be yes?
10:59 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511001 BTC [+]
11:02 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
11:03 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.51 = 10.57 BTC [-]
11:07 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [+]
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5842 @ 0.000705 = 4.1186 BTC [-]
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00070429 = 2.6763 BTC [-]
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6638 @ 0.00070421 = 4.6745 BTC [-]
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11:26 kakobrekla deadweasel 1gh/w
11:26 kakobrekla "oh no, but that is not possible!"
11:26 kakobrekla well
11:26 kakobrekla apparently bitfuy disagrees
11:27 BitHub anyone have any custom charts for the assets :)
11:27 kakobrekla hm?
11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2237 @ 0.00070421 = 1.5753 BTC [-]
11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00070366 = 1.7592 BTC [-]
11:28 BitHub kind of like cryptocharts.info but for all assets and asset exchanges
11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2163 @ 0.00070192 = 1.5183 BTC [-]
11:28 kakobrekla theres 3 charting tools for mpex
11:28 kakobrekla the rest of it who cares
11:28 BitHub haha
11:29 BitHub does anyone display mpex charts anywhere? or is it all within mpex?
11:29 ThickAsThieves BitHun, there is someone that does that
11:29 kakobrekla jurov made charts for mpex
11:29 BitHub okey babe, got a link?
11:29 kakobrekla pizzaman1337 made charts for mpex
11:29 kakobrekla kakobrekla made charts for mpex
11:30 BitHub cool, mind if i check it out?
11:30 kakobrekla that should do it
11:30 BitHub babe = TAT
11:30 ThickAsThieves http://fnords.dontexist.com/chart/TAT.ASICMINER
11:30 kakobrekla http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE
11:31 kakobrekla http://mpexcharts.com/
11:31 ThickAsThieves http://fnords.dontexist.com/
11:31 pizzaman1337 I made some basic charts for mpex recently, started logging bids/asks http://mpexcharts.com/
11:31 kakobrekla http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/
11:31 kakobrekla there ya go
11:31 BitHub oh nice TAT, thank you, thanks kako
11:31 BitHub and pizzaman, thanks
11:32 BitHub TAT that chart is too much like bitfunders :( saddens me cant make a csv out of it
11:33 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01495 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
11:34 ThickAsThieves TAT Investments Transparency & Security Report: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192499.msg2132287#msg2132287
11:34 BitHub oh jesus, mpex sierra chart feed
11:35 kakobrekla what?
11:35 BitHub that's what i'm talking about, awesome, anyone have a bridge for havelock, btct, bitfunder?
11:35 kakobrekla ill take your money if you are lazy
11:36 BitHub absoltely
11:36 BitHub absolutely
11:36 kakobrekla hehe
11:36 kakobrekla mebbe
11:36 BitHub that mpex sierrachart is genius, i was going to donate just based on that
11:37 kakobrekla it costs 1 btc per year
11:37 BitHub where should i sent .1 too?
11:37 kakobrekla so no need to donate
11:37 BitHub send*
11:37 BitHub ahh k
11:37 kakobrekla its for people who really need it ya know
11:38 ThickAsThieves NOTE: TAT Investments is currently the [i]only [/i]passthrough provider that shares this level of transparency. It is our mission to set a new standard in bitcoin investments.
11:38 ThickAsThieves sorry for bbcode and shameless promo
11:38 BitHub i really need all of them
11:38 ThickAsThieves but I'm calling people out
11:38 ThickAsThieves :)
11:39 kakobrekla well pm me bithub when and if you want to set it up.
11:39 BitHub pming now
11:40 BitHub you mean for all of them or just mpex?
11:40 kakobrekla right now i have mpex
11:40 kakobrekla stocks, i also have options but on another channel
11:40 kakobrekla not documented
11:40 BitHub so this sierra mpex feed costs 1btc a year?
11:40 kakobrekla correct
11:41 BitHub exe
11:42 kakobrekla its opensouce, the client and protocol
11:42 kakobrekla you can do whatever implementation on it
11:42 BitHub sierra subscription only .8 for the year :)
11:42 kakobrekla is it?
11:42 BitHub its pretty cheap
11:43 kakobrekla sierra is free
11:43 kakobrekla unless you want to use their servers
11:43 BitHub for 14 days or something
11:43 kakobrekla naw
11:43 BitHub i just had to pay for a subscription
11:43 kakobrekla if you use this socket
11:43 kakobrekla you can use demo
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5783 @ 0.00070192 = 4.0592 BTC [-]
11:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1917 @ 0.00070174 = 1.3452 BTC [-]
11:43 BitHub ahh yeah, because not official feed
11:43 BitHub gotchu
11:43 kakobrekla yea
11:44 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
11:44 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
11:44 BitHub very cool, i'll come back to it oneday
11:45 kakobrekla k
11:46 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.104 = 0.728 BTC [-]
11:46 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [-]
11:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00070646 = 0.7065 BTC [+]
11:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00070725 = 0.6217 BTC [+]
11:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3940 @ 0.00070842 = 2.7912 BTC [+]
11:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1483 @ 0.00070927 = 1.0518 BTC [+]
11:58 davout kakobrekla: sierrachart is something like metatrader ?
11:58 davout kakobrekla: (pardon my ignorance)
11:58 kakobrekla well yes and no
11:59 davout like a client you connect to your broker ? (or directly to an exchange? i'd imagine not)
11:59 davout does it use fix ?
11:59 kakobrekla yes you can trade from it
11:59 kakobrekla but lots of ppl use it to chart only
11:59 davout i see
11:59 kakobrekla you missed this? https://www.sierrachart.com/SupportBoard.php?ThreadID=527
11:59 BitHub there are heaps of peeps working on software like that tho for cryptos
11:59 davout howso
12:00 kakobrekla this is fun: We see that the MTGox data feed is not entirely reliable and also from an engineering perspective, its technical implementation really is very confusing and not well structured. They are using what is called a web socket and then on top of that Socket I/O . This is unnecessary and the method by which this is implemented is not technically correct. So we are not very impressed with the MTGox data feed. This is just a comment.
12:00 davout interesting, so it's sierracharts itself that collects the feed from mtgox
12:01 kakobrekla not sure what their implementation will be exactly
12:01 kakobrekla i mean if they will proxy it or no, im guessing they will
12:01 davout relying on the mtgox ws feed sounds like folly
12:01 kakobrekla anyway you will be able to trade from it somehow apparently
12:01 kakobrekla its gonna suck as bad as gox does
12:02 kakobrekla so im not worried.
12:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00070193 = 2.4919 BTC [-]
12:03 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01495 = 0.0897 BTC [+]
12:04 BitHub what's that thing that everyone uses? goxtool or something
12:04 kakobrekla goxtoolbox extraordinaire
12:04 davout supercalifragilistickexpialidociousgoxtool ?
12:05 davout supercalifragilistickexpialidociousgoxtool reloaded deluxe edition ?
12:05 kakobrekla with extra flavour.
12:06 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01495 = 0.1944 BTC [+]
12:06 davout dick flavour
12:06 davout hanhanhan
12:07 kakobrekla :)
12:08 kakobrekla #110
12:08 kakobrekla That's great news. Keep up the good work.
12:08 kakobrekla You can retrieve the engine lag from https://data.mtgox.com/api/1/generic/order/lag . Sometimes this grows to couple of minutes, and every order you send (or quotes) are delayed by this amount. So it's nice to know about this value when doing trades.
12:08 kakobrekla Sierra Chart Engineering : Interesting. Never heard of such a concept when it comes to trading. We would think that immediate execution should always be achieved as much as possible.
12:08 kakobrekla bahahaha
12:09 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.538799 BTC [+]
12:09 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5388 BTC [+]
12:09 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5399 BTC [+]
12:09 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5399 = 3.0798 BTC [+]
12:09 davout i'm developing this redis-based in-memory trading engine, gonna sell it to markie karpie and kill his lag
12:10 davout BUT MY WHEEL GONNA ROLL MUCH MUCH FASTER
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 140 @ 0.01491 = 2.0874 BTC [+]
12:12 kakobrekla davout dont do that.
12:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.003 = 0.6 BTC [-]
12:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 550 @ 0.00296049 = 1.6283 BTC [-]
12:12 davout kakobrekla: tell me more
12:13 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [-]
12:14 mjr_2 kakobrekla: whats up?
12:14 kakobrekla first of all you want to kill gox not save it and second of all for fucks sake, theres a bunch of wheels you could use
12:14 assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.43465 BTC [+]
12:14 assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.434658 BTC [+]
12:14 davout kakobrekla: well, there's three things
12:14 kakobrekla mjr_1: reverse value of alt chains
12:14 kakobrekla mjr_2 even
12:14 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [+]
12:14 kakobrekla inverse
12:14 kakobrekla whatever.
12:14 davout 1. i'd never sell out to mtgox, i'd rather die. (unless their offer is reasonable of course)
12:14 kakobrekla lol
12:15 davout 2. i like coding, it is fun
12:15 davout (especially ruby+redis+eventmachine)
12:15 davout 3. it's going to be fast
12:15 mjr_2 switch to meteor
12:15 mjr_2 its amazingt
12:15 kakobrekla blah
12:15 kakobrekla its not just about fast
12:15 davout 4. i'm not going to have to learn sthg else
12:15 kakobrekla and basically 10k tps is good enough for a year or so
12:15 kakobrekla you can get that in day
12:15 davout 5. i don't really know of other wheels i could use
12:16 kakobrekla in a day*
12:16 davout yo
12:16 assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.412 BTC [+]
12:16 davout if you have pointers to wheels i could use i'm interested
12:16 kakobrekla mjr_2 where you got those skateboard wheels?
12:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2925 = 0.585 BTC [-]
12:17 davout SKATEBOARDS!
12:17 kakobrekla im srs.
12:17 assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 8 @ 0.01776 = 0.1421 BTC [+]
12:17 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.106 = 0.424 BTC [+]
12:17 mjr_2 which?
12:17 mjr_2 skateboard wheels?
12:18 kakobrekla ABEC 5
12:18 mjr_2 i have neither a skateboard nor skateboard wheels...
12:18 ThickAsThieves okay, I have to ask, at the risk of being chastized, wtf is this skateboards shit
12:18 mjr_2 LOL
12:18 kakobrekla satahp
12:18 mjr_2 ThickAsThieves: check out the comments on my blog
12:19 mjr_2 blog.btcshares.com
12:19 mjr_2 its explained thre
12:19 ThickAsThieves thx
12:19 mjr_2 np
12:19 ThickAsThieves ack the whit on black kills me eyes!
12:20 ThickAsThieves i see no mention of skateboards
12:20 mjr_2 comments, followup post
12:20 mjr_2 hold on
12:20 ThickAsThieves ah
12:21 mjr_2 http://blog.btcshares.com/follow-up
12:21 ThickAsThieves are skateboards even cool anymore?
12:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2925 BTC [-]
12:22 ThickAsThieves i recall them having a comeback along with 90s punk
12:22 ThickAsThieves maybe i'm out of touch
12:27 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01485 = 0.1485 BTC [-]
12:28 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01481 BTC [-]
12:28 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01481 = 0.2073 BTC [-]
12:28 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.01495 = 0.6429 BTC [+]
12:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 771 @ 0.00070193 = 0.5412 BTC [-]
12:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5829 @ 0.00070174 = 4.0904 BTC [-]
12:38 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.539997 BTC [+]
12:40 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.194129 BTC [-]
12:41 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19413 BTC [+]
12:41 assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 14 @ 0.000666 = 0.0093 BTC [-]
12:41 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.195 BTC [+]
12:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3354 @ 0.00070174 = 2.3536 BTC [-]
12:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00070102 = 2.1732 BTC [-]
12:49 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [+]
12:50 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511001 BTC [-]
12:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00069934 = 8.1123 BTC [-]
12:52 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.511 BTC [-]
12:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2925 = 0.585 BTC [-]
13:00 jcpham http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/saudi-surveillance/
13:03 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01495 BTC [+]
13:04 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.104 = 0.832 BTC [-]
13:04 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [-]
13:07 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.51 = 4.53 BTC [-]
13:07 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.502 BTC [-]
13:07 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501107 BTC [-]
13:07 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.500001 BTC [-]
13:07 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.5 = 9 BTC [-]
13:08 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
13:11 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01486 = 2.229 BTC [-]
13:12 assbot [BTCTC] [COG.F] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [+]
13:14 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01495 = 0.1047 BTC [+]
13:16 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5 = 3 BTC [-]
13:21 assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 101 @ 0.009 = 0.909 BTC [+]
13:21 assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.009 BTC [+]
13:22 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
13:23 assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 30 @ 0.01 = 0.3 BTC [+]
13:23 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01485 = 0.3713 BTC [-]
13:26 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01485 = 0.1931 BTC [-]
13:26 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.014801 = 0.444 BTC [-]
13:27 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 40 @ 0.0148 = 0.592 BTC [-]
13:27 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 119 @ 0.01474 = 1.7541 BTC [-]
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01474 = 0.4422 BTC [-]
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.01473 = 1.0311 BTC [-]
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.0147105 = 0.8826 BTC [-]
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.0147105 = 2.9421 BTC [-]
13:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 40 @ 0.01471002 = 0.5884 BTC [-]
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.2771 = 3.0481 BTC [-]
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.277 BTC [-]
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27500001 BTC [-]
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2711 = 1.0844 BTC [-]
13:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2711 = 1.0844 BTC [-]
13:34 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.002801 = 0.028 BTC [+]
13:34 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.0028 = 0.07 BTC [-]
13:34 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 495 @ 0.002764 = 1.3682 BTC [-]
13:34 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.002754 = 0.0055 BTC [-]
13:34 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 21 @ 0.002705 = 0.0568 BTC [-]
13:35 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.490001 BTC [-]
13:35 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.49 = 5.96 BTC [-]
13:40 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [-]
13:40 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009999 = 0.02 BTC [-]
13:40 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 343 @ 0.009998 = 3.4293 BTC [-]
13:40 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009998 = 0.02 BTC [-]
13:41 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 260 @ 0.00999 = 2.5974 BTC [-]
13:41 assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 29 @ 0.00999 = 0.2897 BTC [-]
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3050 @ 0.00296049 = 9.0295 BTC [-]
13:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1547 @ 0.00295421 = 4.5702 BTC [-]
13:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00069389 = 13.3574 BTC [-]
13:53 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.532 BTC [+]
~ 19 minutes ~
14:13 jurov mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls
14:18 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01494 = 0.0598 BTC [+]
14:31 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01494 = 0.0448 BTC [+]
14:32 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.492 BTC [-]
14:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 59 @ 0.01471002 = 0.8679 BTC [-]
14:33 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.491051 BTC [-]
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2401 = 1.2005 BTC [-]
14:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49105 BTC [-]
14:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.49 BTC [-]
14:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00068926 = 6.2723 BTC [-]
14:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00068863 = 3.7186 BTC [-]
14:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.0147001 = 0.3675 BTC [-]
14:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0147 = 0.0735 BTC [-]
14:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 74 @ 0.01466 = 1.0848 BTC [-]
14:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01466 = 0.0733 BTC [-]
14:53 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.528999 BTC [+]
14:53 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.003159 = 0.0316 BTC [+]
14:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00068572 = 0.3429 BTC [-]
15:04 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 21 @ 0.003159 = 0.0663 BTC [+]
15:07 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [-]
15:08 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.01494 = 0.3436 BTC [+]
15:15 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.01495 = 0.613 BTC [+]
15:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.014899 = 0.447 BTC [+]
15:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 64 @ 0.01491 = 0.9542 BTC [+]
15:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 241 @ 0.014915 = 3.5945 BTC [+]
15:17 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.518999 BTC [-]
15:23 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [+]
15:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [+]
15:25 FabianB anyone here interested in buying bigger amounts of btc via sepa?
15:29 deadweasel maybe in 6 weeks
15:33 FabianB that's when i might start rebuying, just need some cash this week :)
15:36 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.518999 = 18.228 BTC [-]
15:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4297 = 1.2891 BTC [+]
15:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.47 BTC [+]
15:49 kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg2134734#msg2134734
15:56 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [-]
15:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00068436 = 1.0608 BTC [-]
16:01 jurov the bitcointips seem to create completely opposite effect on hotel staff
16:04 jurov plus the fact risto seems to have left computer unprotected, unencrypted and with browser open /o\
16:06 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1059 BTC [+]
16:09 jurov beyond bizarre
16:13 jborkl wait, so they lost 9.1 million ?
16:13 jborkl I had a hard time reading it
16:14 truffles welcome back
16:14 truffles only took like 2hrs
16:14 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01495 BTC [+]
16:15 jurov "I have suffered the loss of 82% of the fiat value of my bitcoins unscatched."
16:15 truffles link?
16:16 jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg2134734#msg2134734
16:16 truffles thanks
16:17 truffles oh i was going to get caught up on that
16:17 truffles robbery??
16:17 jurov risto can't write clearly but seems so
16:18 jurov the had some sauna workshop and left computers unprotected, unencrypted and with browser open
16:18 truffles lmao
16:19 jurov but read it it's funny. maybe you'll come with some other conclusion
16:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.014915 = 0.1044 BTC [+]
16:20 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01495 = 0.2093 BTC [+]
16:24 jborkl wait, so he wanted was naked in the sauna with other dudes and his laptop got stolen...
16:24 jborkl so he was
16:24 truffles helsinki is like NY..
16:26 jborkl Anna minulle minun laptop takaisin, olen alasti ja on alasti poika saunassa
16:27 jborkl fucking people on BTC talk
16:28 jurov you understand finnish?
16:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00068706 = 5.84 BTC [+]
16:28 jurov google translator had serious trouble
16:29 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1059 BTC [+]
16:29 jurov hi mircea_popescu, bitcoin expected to go up thanks to fresh supply of drama from finland
16:29 truffles haha
16:29 truffles naked boys in sauna's...
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7963 @ 0.00068436 = 5.4496 BTC [-]
16:31 mircea_popescu a coolness.
16:31 mircea_popescu wghat nao ?
16:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.014915 = 0.0298 BTC [+]
16:34 truffles with celebrity comes great responsiblity to oneself etc
16:34 assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.19 = 0.57 BTC [+]
16:36 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5189 BTC [+]
16:39 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.519 BTC [+]
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 687 @ 0.00068436 = 0.4702 BTC [-]
16:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.014915 = 0.2685 BTC [+]
16:52 FabianB mircea_popescu: btw. where did the black theme of mpex.co go?
16:52 mircea_popescu FabianB nowhere ?
16:52 FabianB http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE&r=true is white
16:53 jurov use ?r=1
16:53 FabianB oh, my fault
16:53 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203837.msg2135434#msg2135434 lmao
16:55 deadweasel wow, this guy is manic. how could anybody trust someone like that?
16:55 deadweasel re: rpietila public diary
16:55 truffles maybe paranoid..
16:55 deadweasel definitely.
16:55 truffles manic is kinda harsh
16:56 deadweasel i didn't judge him for being manic... just pointed it out. facts are not judgements
16:56 deadweasel his posting history will back me up.
16:56 truffles lol
16:56 deadweasel btw, how the hell are you truffles?
16:56 truffles drinking away my sorrows, u?
16:56 deadweasel i'm about to get started as well.
16:57 deadweasel o/ high five
16:57 truffles lol
16:57 deadweasel only I have no troubles...
16:57 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.51999 BTC [+]
16:57 deadweasel could somebody give me a reason to drink?
16:57 truffles every1 has troubles
16:57 deadweasel but when you worry you make them double
16:57 deadweasel so don't worry
16:58 deadweasel be happy
16:58 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.519 = 6.076 BTC [-]
16:58 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.519 = 4.557 BTC [-]
16:58 truffles drink to ripple taking over bitcoin
16:58 jurov O.o how?
16:58 deadweasel has that occurred?
16:58 truffles nah
16:58 truffles just speculation
16:59 deadweasel a lot has changed in 36 minutes I was away
16:59 truffles wild unfounded
16:59 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.501 BTC [-]
16:59 deadweasel indeed, poking the beehive I see.
16:59 deadweasel this is a good palce for that
16:59 truffles sure is
16:59 deadweasel jurov, you get someone to finish that weak-ass 'guide' I started?
16:59 truffles this place is dead, weasel
17:00 deadweasel no truf, fleas
17:00 jurov deadweasel: did not search further yet, had other things to do
17:00 deadweasel jurov, that was my problem too
17:00 truffles like laugh at rptilla
17:00 jurov yes. and taking afternoon naps
17:01 deadweasel damn straight
17:02 deadweasel I'm guessing all MPEX IPOs have been delayed until interest in bitcoin has resurfaced?
17:02 truffles listening to this largo symphony it sure sets the mood
17:02 deadweasel not that they are many...
17:02 jurov deadweasel: you know of any?
17:02 deadweasel nope
17:03 truffles weasel drink to mpex crashing?
17:03 jurov like, S.BRKH ?
17:03 deadweasel S Burkah? are we invested in Islamic women?
17:03 deadweasel this is not good....
17:03 deadweasel their husbands will be pissed and start a war against.....
17:03 deadweasel oh, too late.
17:04 jurov http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BRK-A i meant this
17:04 deadweasel great vid of him and munger.
17:04 deadweasel that's been on my brain lately.
17:04 jurov that ratpoison one?
17:04 deadweasel yup
17:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01491899 = 0.0597 BTC [+]
17:05 truffles thats such a posh name, was it told how he came up with it
17:05 truffles or whomever
17:05 truffles hathaway..
17:06 truffles rly posh sounding
17:08 jurov wouldn't surprise me if few dudes met in a trollbox somwehere and came out with the name
17:09 jurov :)
17:09 truffles brilliance cannot be confined
17:09 jurov lmao
17:10 jurov yes, it tends to spill ver
17:10 jurov *over
17:11 assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411004 BTC [-]
17:11 assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.411003 = 3.699 BTC [-]
17:11 jurov i'm totally using it "yes, this thing spilled over from trollbox"
17:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01491899 = 0.2238 BTC [+]
17:12 truffles whether from a cave or mountain top..
17:13 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 34 @ 0.1059 = 3.6006 BTC [+]
17:14 assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [+]
17:15 truffles i guess ill see every1 til after the next split, da2ce7 and i will be here..
17:19 deadweasel ha, freenode is gasping for breath, yet here I sit, in 15 channels, just lurking.
17:19 jurov till the blockchain makes us part
17:20 deadweasel nevar!
17:24 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
17:24 gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
17:25 assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.411003 = 4.11 BTC [-]
17:26 mircea_popescu im curious if this actually blows freenode off the interwebs.
17:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00068408 = 4.5669 BTC [-]
17:27 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.51999 = 3.04 BTC [+]
17:28 deadweasel no way
17:28 deadweasel it will come back stronger
17:28 mircea_popescu whoa it's incredible, the bitfury bet still at 10:1
17:28 mircea_popescu peepz out of money ?
17:31 deadweasel who is this guy? you think he has any chance?
17:31 mircea_popescu well here's the score : if he is in fact delivering 200th up to 22peta hash,
17:31 mircea_popescu then asicminer is dead.
17:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1194 BTC [+]
17:32 mircea_popescu if you have a bitcoin in asicminer it makes sense to bet as much as .1 btc against him, seeing the odds.
17:32 mircea_popescu therefore, we can calculate the % of idiots in asicminer as follows :
17:32 mircea_popescu total no side bet divided by asicminer market cap
17:32 mircea_popescu ;;calc 13 / 600000
17:32 gribble 2.16666666667e-05
17:32 mircea_popescu that's what, 998 people out of 1000 ?
17:33 mircea_popescu just some off the cuff degree-of-magnitude accurate maffs.
17:33 ezdiy deadweasel: it will likely kick out the channel which is causing the ddos drama
17:33 dub its not #bitcoin-trollbox
17:33 dub thats a picture of health
17:33 mircea_popescu lol
17:34 ezdiy dub: yea, i kinda suspect it'll be #bitcoin* :)
17:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.51999 = 12.1599 BTC [+]
17:34 deadweasel ezdiy: which channel is that?
17:34 ezdiy deadweasel: well
17:34 ezdiy bitcoin is second largest community after ubuntu
17:34 ezdiy so guess what
17:34 deadweasel aaw man.
17:34 deadweasel now I feel bad.
17:34 ezdiy (out of my arse speculation)
17:35 ThickAsThieves mp/jurov, could you push withdrawals
17:35 ThickAsThieves got hustlin' to do
17:35 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves k, be like half hour.
17:35 ThickAsThieves poop, ok
17:36 mircea_popescu i guess we find out, ezdiy.
17:37 ezdiy (subtly luring me to start bitbet.us bet lol :)
17:37 mircea_popescu tho tbh kicking out bitcoin would be pretty damaging to them.
17:37 deadweasel do it!
17:37 deadweasel i got .5 on FREENODE LIVES
17:37 mircea_popescu lol why do i need to lure you, i can just make one
17:37 jborkl So the full terms of the bitfury bet are - they deliver how much? in basically a month?
17:37 ezdiy mircea_popescu: not enough info for that yet :/
17:37 mircea_popescu jborkl just demonstrate hashing
17:38 ezdiy might be just some kiddo nerdraging at mircop
17:38 ezdiy or a guy with serious firepower systematically trying to target something
17:38 mircea_popescu what's mircop
17:38 dub mircop?
17:38 ezdiy irc operator
17:38 ezdiy using mIRC
17:38 dub lol
17:38 dub LOL
17:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00068676 = 1.287 BTC [+]
17:39 mircea_popescu lolk
17:39 dub im sure that would pass bash moderation
17:39 deadweasel is bitfury russian?
17:40 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.51999 = 37.9998 BTC [+]
17:41 mircea_popescu yteah
17:41 mircea_popescu seems so.
17:41 mircea_popescu would be funnay if the russians blow out the chinese.
17:41 mircea_popescu historically accurate too
17:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1939 BTC [+]
17:42 dub bitfury exists?
17:42 deadweasel no higher education... gonna make the chips himself?
17:42 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.531992 BTC [+]
17:42 deadweasel https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203107.0
17:44 mircea_popescu dub well somebody got 100 btc.
17:44 mircea_popescu honestly i was expecting to see that bet like 5:1 not 1:10
17:45 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01512 = 0.4536 BTC [+]
17:47 deadweasel ;;google bitfury
17:47 gribble BitFury: Home: <http://www.bitfury.org/>; BitFury 110 Gh/s :: BitFury: <http://www.bitfury.org/bitfury110.html>; XC6SLX150 BitStream :: BitFury: <http://www.bitfury.org/xc6slx150.html>
17:48 dub fwiw higher education just means you learned to suck dick
17:48 ezdiy damn easy europeans
17:48 deadweasel they need to drop those things in vegetable oil for cooling.
17:48 ezdiy and their provess at both scamming and technology design lol
17:48 mircea_popescu cooking ?
17:49 deadweasel well, ya learn a lot of things, mostly conditioning
17:49 dub not much in a practical sense
17:49 deadweasel no, not practical, then again I didn't study all that hard either.
17:50 ezdiy mineral oil makes sense if you have a lot of components with thermal surface
17:50 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54876 BTC [+]
17:50 ezdiy inb4 avalon aquarium
17:51 deadweasel you could just pump the oil around a little faster
17:51 ezdiy i mean, its not worth the hassle
17:51 ezdiy to have a leak proof tank, pumps, heat exchangers etc, if you can just use fans
17:52 deadweasel well shit
17:53 deadweasel when my bitfury asic gets here, I'm putting a fan on it 0.o
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16226 @ 0.00068446 = 11.106 BTC [-]
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1163 @ 0.00068706 = 0.7991 BTC [+]
17:53 ezdiy lol
17:54 ezdiy deadweasel: just order the whole 100gh/s fpga rack
17:54 ezdiy submerge it in oil and heat exchange with water in nearby river
17:54 ezdiy you save 3kw on air cooling \o/
17:56 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5204 BTC [-]
17:56 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.520324 BTC [-]
17:57 deadweasel ezdiy, wish I could. do you mine?
17:57 ezdiy nah, i was just kinda lampooning their current fpga offering as it is largely outdated atm :)
17:58 mircea_popescu i think ezdiy mostly trolls
17:59 ezdiy i think mp is mostly pedantic nazi
17:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00068706 = 1.3398 BTC [+]
18:00 mircea_popescu totally.
18:04 mircea_popescu sorry about the delay ThickAsThieves. i've recently beefed up the security and i think i might have gone too far ;/
18:04 mircea_popescu will be processing asap tho.
18:05 dub I think ezdiy has a calssic case of 'I'm chatting on the internet therefor I know everything'
18:05 dub and also a classic case
18:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01491899 = 0.4476 BTC [+]
18:06 dub if it was trolling, he'd need to be in #bitcoin-trollbox
18:06 jborkl_ mtgox down again
18:07 ezdiy dub: well, you _dont_ know?
18:08 ezdiy it's clearly established wisdom of bitcoin community that not knowing implies ignorance
18:08 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548389 BTC [+]
18:10 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5484 BTC [+]
18:12 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+]
18:13 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+]
18:15 dub hey I'm just here to spam #bitcoin-trollbox
18:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00300015 = 3.3002 BTC [+]
18:18 ezdiy figured as much :)
18:18 ezdiy and maybe learn a thing or two about finance in the process
18:19 jurov mircea_popescu i hope you don't beef up the security so far as reptilia
18:19 jurov "I have pretty many coins and I store them with pretty many precautions. By many, I mean that it takes me an approximately 16 hours of my prime work time to do it, and it also does not happen without a considerable monetary cost."
18:19 mircea_popescu not quite.
18:19 mircea_popescu im not as pretty.
18:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [+]
18:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.01492 = 0.3133 BTC [+]
18:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [+]
18:21 jborkl hmm, all my nodes paused and are acting strage
18:21 jborkl strange
18:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 57 @ 0.014925 = 0.8507 BTC [+]
18:22 jurov jborkl: ec2 nodes?
18:22 jborkl all my class 1.2 supernodes
18:22 jborkl lol
18:22 jurov you must check the sauna
18:23 mircea_popescu jborkl there's something afoot on the blockchain.
18:23 jurov but the fork is planned on tomorrow, no?
18:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.014925 = 1.0448 BTC [+]
18:24 jborkl they are still relaying, but appear to have stopped
18:24 mircea_popescu jurov there's an issue.
18:24 mircea_popescu i have no idea wtf yet.
18:25 jurov hm.. my bitcoinds seem to work normally
18:25 jborkl yes, for sure - my nodes are not working correct as of the last block - the time stamp in bitcoind has stopped also
18:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [-]
18:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [-]
18:27 assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.0009 = 0.0108 BTC [+]
18:28 mircea_popescu i think we're forking
18:28 mircea_popescu new bug ?!
18:28 jborkl restarted and now the time stamp is progressing
18:28 jurov where it does show timestamp?
18:29 mircea_popescu jurov stat :D
18:29 jurov http://blockchain.info/rejected shows lots of new stuff
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2557 @ 0.00068733 = 1.7575 BTC [+]
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13343 @ 0.00068706 = 9.1674 BTC [-]
18:31 jurov don't shit me, bitcoind getinfo is not outputting any timestamp
18:34 jurov pls can anyone explain me what's happening. in full sentences...
18:38 jborkl I am trying to figure it out, have to go home though
18:39 ezdiy ERROR: CScriptCheck() : bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b VerifySignature failed
18:39 ezdiy ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : ConnectInputs failed bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b
18:39 ezdiy hm
18:39 ezdiy this can't be good
18:39 jborkl this has to be a fork
18:39 mircea_popescu it's screwed wtf.
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18:39 ezdiy my bitcoind claims the sig is invalid
18:39 ezdiy but blockchain info says its ok
18:39 ezdiy but unconfirmed
18:40 ezdiy (im running latest git)
18:40 mircea_popescu ok everyone do not make any further txns until we figure out what the fuck is going on
18:40 mircea_popescu has anyone notified the power rangers yet ?
18:41 dub -dev is silent
18:41 jborkl fuck if you and I notcied right away wtf are they doing
18:41 ezdiy can someone ./bitcoind gettransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b
18:42 ezdiy if you have it
18:42 ezdiy then we're screwed
18:42 mircea_popescu jborkl originally i thought i'm fucking it up tbh
18:42 ezdiy as i'm on the other side of fork
18:42 jurov error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid or non-wallet transaction id"}
18:42 ezdiy hm, ok
18:42 mod6 eek
18:42 jborkl well mp , obvious but pause my withdrawal until later
18:42 ezdiy jurov: did it get rejected in your debug.log as well?
18:43 mircea_popescu ezdiy i have it on exactly one node
18:43 jurov blockchain.info shows it as unconfirmed
18:43 mircea_popescu 8 btc
18:43 ezdiy mircea_popescu: yeah, but your node should have rejected it :/
18:44 jborkl transactions are still going through all of my nodes
18:44 mircea_popescu dude i have no idea.
18:44 ezdiy with ConnectInputs failed
18:44 ezdiy mircea_popescu: grep ~/.bitcoin/debug.log for it
18:44 mircea_popescu i don't have ssh for that machine right now
18:44 ezdiy dang
18:44 ezdiy well, lets wait for a bit
18:44 jurov it only says received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80
18:44 ezdiy maybe its just orphaned tx input or something
18:45 jurov nothing else
18:45 jborkl storing orphans like a bitch though
18:45 jborkl all it is doing
18:45 mircea_popescu this is pretty insane
18:45 mircea_popescu it would seem over about a dozen nodes there's something like... 8 diff chains/orphans ?
18:45 ezdiy yep :/
18:45 mircea_popescu wtf we imploded what happened here
18:50 TheSeven ezdiy: bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b non-existant here
18:51 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
18:51 ezdiy seems like it
18:52 ezdiy mircea_popescu: we need getrawtransaction of that guy, if possible
18:52 TheSeven CTxMemPool::accept() : accepted bbf6540a80 (poolsz 2531)
18:52 TheSeven received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80
18:53 TheSeven so it seems to be accepted on my node
18:53 TheSeven getrawtransaction returns it
18:53 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54988 BTC [-]
18:53 TheSeven but of course gettransaction doesn't because it isn't from my wallet
18:53 ezdiy TheSeven: paste
18:53 TheSeven $ bitcoind getrawtransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b
18:53 TheSeven 0100000001eb8b5d0d5dd4b4dd61d9737d82f63d24c34aa55587d0e4a7605aa230120e91fb000000008a4730440220c309d71f3b8cbafce79d7ab2afde11c16d8f566f2d1e375b305df621ec0d9f230220c073cfa2018bee371bd4f771730368d66762628093f5d1922123c7938681fd0d014104b7b6fcff33b2233c8ca607390f951e845865088a26264a291ffcea2d67bcccfc0dee3e2f906f6feeedea3d2fcf563f5d5c1a7e76a621b8fb659ad9865f2eefeeffffffff010008af2f000000001976a9147b6746f308567c7d5e7ac79bb79412339952514888ac0
18:53 TheSeven 0000000
18:54 TheSeven this is a 0.8.1 node
18:55 TheSeven ok, moving this over to #bitcoin-dev
18:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00068274 = 5.3936 BTC [-]
19:02 jurov -dev says it is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106461.5
19:05 ezdiy the hour-or-so gap points to FUD campaign imo
19:05 mircea_popescu hum
19:06 mircea_popescu i thought that was fixed months ago
19:06 ezdiy though hourly block gaps happen for innocent reasons too
19:06 mircea_popescu maybe i misunderstood something
19:06 ezdiy all pools unlucky -> lots of rejected txes because of DER sig rules -> FUD
19:06 ezdiy you can s/all pools unlucky/all pools dosed somehow/
19:07 mircea_popescu ezdiy was your tx ber'd ?
19:07 ezdiy yep, all the broken txes seem to have nonstandard sigs under 0.8.2
19:07 mircea_popescu did you send it from armory actually ?
19:08 ezdiy no idea, i'm just looking at debug.log
19:08 ezdiy there was apparently some split brain scenario during the time there were no new blocks mined
19:09 mircea_popescu my dept of technology & paranoia is not happy with the sig explanation.
19:09 ezdiy as you can send tx on of another one in mempool
19:09 ezdiy *on top
19:09 ezdiy not much so when half of network rejects it in mempool though
19:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.269 BTC [+]
19:11 mircea_popescu ;;difchange
19:11 gribble Error: "difchange" is not a valid command.
19:11 mircea_popescu ;;diffchange
19:11 gribble Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 18.95114 % based on data since last change | 17.0779 % based on data for last three days
19:11 mircea_popescu ;;estimate
19:11 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 13307370.2306 based on data since last change | 13097805.7081 based on data for last three days
19:12 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
19:12 gribble Time since last block: 3 minutes and 53 seconds
19:12 dub ;;nethash
19:12 gribble 93759.1759279
19:12 dub shit oh dear
19:12 mircea_popescu um
19:12 ezdiy mircea_popescu: yeah, there was a hour-or-so gap
19:12 mircea_popescu which block is gribble on
19:12 dub That Escalated Quickly
19:12 dub ;;block
19:12 gribble Error: "block" is not a valid command.
19:12 dub ;;blockhieght
19:13 gribble Error: "blockhieght" is not a valid command.
19:13 dub ;;blocks
19:13 gribble 236070
19:13 mircea_popescu ya but which
19:13 mircea_popescu 0000000000000133f6f3a4750a atop 0000000000000045aeb20b5d64 ?
19:15 jurov yes blockhain.info shows these two most recent
19:16 mircea_popescu i guess no fork just some funky reorg then ?
19:17 ezdiy no reorg
19:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.014925 = 0.5522 BTC [+]
19:18 ezdiy look at blockchain info, there was *over a hour* gap between blocks
19:18 ezdiy pools simply were unlucky/dosed
19:18 mircea_popescu hm
19:18 jurov and people who use 0.8.2 from git see the tx rejected
19:18 mircea_popescu no cauyse there were orphaned block in between
19:19 ezdiy jurov: until its accepted in the block by 0.8.1 miner
19:19 ezdiy then even 0.8.2 accepts it
19:19 ezdiy or at least it should
19:19 jurov ezdiy yes, it got accepted now
19:19 jurov but no orphaned blocks afaik
19:20 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01512 = 0.635 BTC [+]
19:21 mircea_popescu i'm confused.
19:22 ezdiy you're btc-e kiddo and can ddos pools
19:22 ezdiy 0.8.2 implements weird rule
19:22 ezdiy whatya do to create price wave to ride it? :)
19:22 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-]
19:23 mircea_popescu hm
19:23 mircea_popescu any pool actually say they're ddosed yet ?
19:23 ezdiy (i highly doubt its was just an innocent coincidence, as the chances are <1% of block gap occuring so conveniently)
19:23 mircea_popescu not heard anything.
19:24 ezdiy yeah, that'd confirm my speculation
19:24 dub guild's website was down yesterday
19:24 ezdiy short ddoses go unnoticed often though
19:25 mircea_popescu 1hr is not short.
19:25 mircea_popescu for a pool.
19:25 ezdiy most miners have it setup to switch pools when one is down
19:26 ezdiy of course it's false sense of security, just ddos all the pools commonly used lol
19:27 ezdiy (btw, p2pool is suspected to have high stale rate because you can tie individual miners/hashpower to certain ips)
19:27 ezdiy in that sense, pools are useful they shield individual miners from direct attacks
19:27 mircea_popescu tjhat just shows how dysfunctional the entire p2p model is.
19:28 ezdiy well, better said naive implementation of p2p
19:29 mircea_popescu right.
19:29 mircea_popescu in other words cheap.
19:30 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
19:30 gribble Time since last block: 11 minutes and 35 seconds
19:31 mircea_popescu ;;blocks
19:31 gribble 236072
19:31 mircea_popescu i see two chains.
19:31 mircea_popescu one's on 236071 16 mins ago
19:31 mircea_popescu the other no wait
19:31 mircea_popescu ok there's some connectivity weirdness
19:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.014925 BTC [+]
19:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.014925 = 0.5224 BTC [+]
19:37 mircea_popescu ;;blockas
19:37 gribble Error: "blockas" is not a valid command.
19:37 mircea_popescu ;;blocks
19:37 gribble 236074
19:37 mircea_popescu so slush just mined an empty block ?
19:38 mircea_popescu and it came in within 30 seconds of 236073 ?
19:44 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-]
19:47 ezdiy http://blockchain.info/block-index/382582/00000000000000456bcd68f888f1af4d9c5ecf807fd23f328acd9410c1d0fa81 <-- slush bitcoind under attack
19:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-]
19:50 mircea_popescu how do you figure ?
19:50 ezdiy block with no transactions
19:50 ezdiy but slush is signed in coinbase if you click at txid
19:51 ezdiy means his bitcoind must have been somehow convinced there were no txes *at all*
19:51 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549978 = 3.1 BTC [+]
19:51 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549978 = 6.1999 BTC [+]
19:52 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]
19:52 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]
19:52 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549979 = 3.1 BTC [+]
19:52 ezdiy or maybe just broken code, who knows
19:52 ezdiy the downside of central models :)
19:54 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]
19:54 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549979 = 6.1999 BTC [+]
19:56 optimator ezdiy: when a new block is found the pool code pushes work out with no txs. it does this while it builds the new merkle root. that way the miners have work immediately
19:56 optimator and on the off chance someone solves it everyone is rewarded
19:57 ezdiy optimator: not most optimal solution then, though :/
19:57 ezdiy i'm surprised theres no bloody murder scream from users about 1-tx blocks
19:59 optimator we'll it's beyond a long shot - within seconds new work is pushed with transactions. Otherwise the miners would be working on work for a block that had already been solved
19:59 ezdiy yeah
19:59 optimator s/we'll/well
19:59 ezdiy but the underlying idea is only greed
20:00 ezdiy it profits only the miners, not users
20:00 ezdiy s/profits/benefits/
20:00 optimator i see it as rewarding them for their work on the network
20:01 ezdiy optimator: no, the merkle root should be updated continuously by slush
20:02 ezdiy not when new block arrives
20:02 ezdiy thats just being lazy, to the detriment of users
20:02 ezdiy this is why hasprevblock is separate after all
20:02 optimator it doesn't work that way. The block height is incorporated into the hash function. So you can know what to push unless you know the block you are working on
20:03 ezdiy you, you have to re-verify txes which use same utxos as the txes in newly arrived block
20:03 optimator imagine a queue that you are pushing new txs on. You keep building it up, but when a new block is found the queueu is emptied
20:03 ezdiy but you *dont* have to to verify sigs again
20:03 ezdiy => its crazy fast
20:03 ezdiy i call lazy
20:04 ezdiy optimator: yes, thats how it works and why slush pushes empty merkle for the mean time
20:04 ezdiy until he re-verifies everything
20:05 ezdiy optimator: this is probably something to be fixed in bitcoind, though :(
20:05 ezdiy so people dont invent crazy hacks to prevent stales
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00068274 = 1.5362 BTC [-]
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00068122 = 5.8585 BTC [-]
20:06 optimator ezdiy: yes, in bitcoind. It's can be 300 ms to get the new tx list
20:07 ezdiy or much more if youre clever to push lots of utxos which will seek all through 6gb
20:07 ezdiy imagine 1000 utxos, each spaced at 4mb boundary
20:08 ezdiy spinning drives will go crazy :/
20:08 ezdiy not to mention slow ecdsa verify
20:10 ezdiy optimator: the trick is, when new block arrives, you just remove txes which are in it from your mempool (no verify needed, no seeks needed) and recompute merkle
20:10 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-]
20:12 optimator ezdiy: yeah, maybe. I think you are coming at it from the bitcoind level and I'm coming at it from the json-rpc level
20:13 ezdiy well, i see why its done like its done
20:13 ezdiy because simple flush-and-redo is much simpler to implement
20:13 ezdiy carefully pruning the outdated utxos must be written from scratch :(
20:14 optimator plus you'd have to get the new block because you don't know what txs were included in it
20:14 ezdiy well, its like
20:14 ezdiy you get new block, and look at inputs of all transactions in there
20:15 ezdiy and just 1:1 compare with your mempool, if possible - the general case is lots of those will be same
20:15 ezdiy the rest must be verified of course
20:15 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+]
20:16 optimator sure - 300 ms to getblock, compare, and recalc
20:16 ezdiy but the ones you found in your mempool are already verified, because you do that whenever they arrive in your mempool
20:16 ezdiy optimator: i think some json api for pools would be in order
20:17 ezdiy um, nah
20:17 ezdiy getblock is enough, just make it faster/longpoll
20:20 benkay her mircea do you have a link on hand to your piece commenting on monetary sterilization"
20:20 benkay ?
20:20 mircea_popescu benkay which one is that ?
20:22 benkay found it
20:22 benkay ms warren 'stepping on it'
20:22 mircea_popescu lolk
20:23 mircea_popescu http://www.greendiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gribble_Otoeh_11446.jpg
20:23 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0151 = 0.1208 BTC [-]
20:26 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01512 = 0.2419 BTC [+]
20:26 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-]
20:35 ThickAsThieves i'm mobile but did mpex withdrawals not go out yet?
20:35 ThickAsThieves wallet says no
20:36 ThickAsThieves :(
20:41 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves read up the history, we've had some excitement.
20:41 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm putting it off to string of extremely unlikely coincidences.
20:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014925 = 0.0448 BTC [+]
20:53 jborkl Don_Popescu
20:53 mircea_popescu hm ?
20:54 jborkl lol good name for you
20:54 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
20:54 gribble Time since last block: 8 minutes and 17 seconds
21:02 ThickAsThieves ;;nethash
21:02 gribble 93934.6414104
21:03 ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats
21:03 gribble Current Blocks: 236085 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1802 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13424353.8156 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.99683
21:03 ThickAsThieves so i skimmed, but essentially we have a weird empty block, likely malicious intent, and possible fork?
21:03 thestringpuller Mr. Popescu.
21:04 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.01512 = 0.8921 BTC [+]
21:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.014925 = 0.7463 BTC [+]
21:09 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah there was a 1hr+ pause just as the new bitcoind changed signature rules making it look like a multifork
21:09 mircea_popescu on top of some internal stuff
21:10 ThickAsThieves hrm
21:10 assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
21:10 ThickAsThieves can i still be mad at devs?
21:11 mircea_popescu im not sure they did anything wrong.
21:11 mircea_popescu the sigrule kinda had to be tightened.
21:11 ThickAsThieves aww even mp tells me to drop the pitchfork
21:11 ThickAsThieves will do
21:11 mircea_popescu i mean it looked fucking weird as all hell for a coupla hours there, but...
21:11 mircea_popescu funk. it occurs.
21:18 asciilifeform if anybody's been wondering what a 51%/doublespend trigger pull will look like: it will look exactly like this.
21:18 asciilifeform a whimper, not a bang.
21:19 asciilifeform doesn't change the fact of the newly-perforated meat, though
21:19 ThickAsThieves hmm
21:19 ThickAsThieves so if i look up my wallet on blockchain
21:19 ThickAsThieves it shows 1 tx i was expecting
21:20 ThickAsThieves but not the other
21:20 ThickAsThieves if look from within my wallet
21:20 ThickAsThieves i see the other
21:20 ThickAsThieves but not the 1st one
21:20 ThickAsThieves this is via blockchain.info
21:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 247 @ 0.014925 = 3.6865 BTC [+]
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 553 @ 0.00295421 = 1.6337 BTC [-]
21:22 ThickAsThieves okay i closed and reopened and all is well now
21:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2898 BTC [+]
21:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform probably.
21:24 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves pretty much everyone is having trouble with the 8.2 duality.
21:24 asciilifeform and don't make the mistake of thinking that all is well just because the universe looks as expected through your particular peephole.
21:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the world is made of probabilities not certainties.
21:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Captain (Admiral?) obvious
21:25 mircea_popescu lol
21:26 asciilifeform the probability of the "doublespend ring of sauron" falling into human hands is close to 1.
21:27 mircea_popescu i don't think so.
21:27 mircea_popescu i think actual 51% past this point is an impossibility
21:27 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: look at you stabilizing dat pric
21:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reasoning is that basically bitcoin is a sort of morphism on the fiat world, and i am pretty convinced by now that the 51% attack is the local equivalent of the market cornering problem.
21:30 asciilifeform 51% is difficult, yes, but quite possible to do. and to do undetectably.
21:30 asciilifeform I described several "easy" recipes as to how, at one point.
21:31 asciilifeform at this point, the objective wouldn't necessarily be a straightforward monetary one, but to drive people to questionable altchains
21:32 asciilifeform all you really need to push (at least some of) the lemmings over the edge is to induce enough protocol weirdness
21:33 mircea_popescu it's not possible to do.
21:33 asciilifeform you might not even need a strict 51% for that
21:33 mircea_popescu it apperars possible to do, but only in static representations of reality
21:33 mircea_popescu much like cornering markets appears possible to do in static representations of reality.
21:34 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
21:34 gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.53004, Best ask: 117.94999, Bid-ask spread: 0.41995, Last trade: 117.53002, 24 hour volume: 26422.96173181, 24 hour low: 114.50020, 24 hour high: 118.88000, 24 hour vwap: 117.07249
21:34 asciilifeform this is like saying that a bullet hole is no big problem so long as the wound mostly closes back up after the bullet exits.
21:34 mircea_popescu zero impact, for that matter. the lemmings aren't in this channel. they will never know today happened
21:34 mircea_popescu for that matter, they don't trust themselves enough to believe their eyes. if respected people don't say there's a problem, there's no problem.
21:34 mircea_popescu etc.
21:35 mircea_popescu im not sure i follow that bullet analogy
21:35 asciilifeform the idea is that temporary disruptions can have permanent effect
21:35 mircea_popescu well if it's a stochastic process, prolly.
21:36 asciilifeform see 'goxlag' etc
21:36 mircea_popescu i still need to see someone argue convincingly that goxlag is bad for bitcoin.
21:36 mircea_popescu it's horible for gox, and esopecxially so for gox investors. so ?
21:36 asciilifeform not even considering that, if what we just saw was the echo of an actual double spend, it is entirely possible that somebody just sucked out N BTC out of the aether
21:37 asciilifeform there is only so many times that this can happen without a real effect
21:37 mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203837.20
21:37 mircea_popescu lik that ?
21:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 235 @ 0.014925 = 3.5074 BTC [+]
21:38 asciilifeform the link appears to talk about a traditional wallet heist
21:39 mircea_popescu through 2fa ?
21:39 asciilifeform AFAIK mtgox uses usb widgets for 2fa
21:40 mircea_popescu yup
21:40 asciilifeform perhaps our friend left his plugged in, and it can be actuated through software in some undocumented way (rather than pressing the switch)
21:40 asciilifeform or, likely, it has a firmware upgrade endpoint (most usb devices do, whether documented or not.)
21:40 asciilifeform a USB thumb drive from virtually any manufacturer, for instance, does
21:40 mircea_popescu right, what io'm sauying is, this is a working prototype
21:41 mircea_popescu n btc sucked into the aether
21:41 asciilifeform not into or from the aether, but into a more clever man's pocket, from a chump's.
21:41 asciilifeform BTC was conserved.
21:41 mircea_popescu well a 51% attack wouldn't generate btc.
21:41 asciilifeform true, it will generate a Bezzle.
21:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]
21:42 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.522746 BTC [-]
21:42 assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1400 @ 0.000666 = 0.9324 BTC [-]
21:42 asciilifeform AFAIK, how quickly the bezzle dissolves will depend on how long the attack can be maintained.
21:42 mircea_popescu nope. it'll do exactly the same thing as mtgox lieing about "hacks"
21:43 asciilifeform yes, if your fractional reserve hypothesis is correct
21:43 mircea_popescu listen. suppose you actually have the tech to own yubikeys
21:43 asciilifeform (that is, the total of all people storing N btc on gox do not actually have access to N btc)
21:43 mircea_popescu and let's presume for a moment you have no better use for it than btc.
21:43 mircea_popescu which is insane, but anyway.
21:43 mircea_popescu NOW what you do with this ion cannon is steal random 4 btc wallet ?
21:44 mircea_popescu you'd have to be born last night to actually believe this.
21:44 asciilifeform every ion cannon has to be fired at a diseased goat during development
21:44 mircea_popescu if indeed this was an attack able to cut through their (braindead) 2fa implementation
21:44 mircea_popescu 90% of thje top accounts would be hit simultaneously.
21:44 asciilifeform occam's razor suggests that our chump lied about using 2fa
21:44 mircea_popescu no, it does not have to be.
21:44 mircea_popescu maybe.
21:45 asciilifeform or that mtgox has a session remanence bug
21:45 mircea_popescu the chump has no history of lieing
21:45 mircea_popescu mtgox does.
21:45 asciilifeform probably the culprit then.
21:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.2898 = 4.347 BTC [+]
21:46 mircea_popescu it wouldn't be the first website
21:46 mircea_popescu fuck me. the idea of a website is ridiculous
21:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you evil tempter, you just made me want to transfer btc to mtgox just to buy their yubikey.
21:46 mircea_popescu but it wouldn't be the first website with a broken 2fa implementation.
21:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43551 = 0.871 BTC [+]
21:48 asciilifeform also remember that chumps have a tendency to lie to themselves
21:49 mircea_popescu anuyay, getting back to it. the branch was off
21:49 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> there is only so many times that this can happen without a real effect
21:49 asciilifeform and to blame their betters when their world burns
21:49 mircea_popescu now, returning there : how many times ?
21:50 asciilifeform damned if I know how many times. how many people would even admit that this happened to them, if it had
21:51 mircea_popescu see, but it'd seem to me you readily argue both ends of this rope.
21:51 asciilifeform one more observation: yubi works by emulating usb keyboard. which makes for a very simple man in the middle, esp. if you press the button an extra time.
21:52 asciilifeform or if the switch has bounce
21:52 mircea_popescu i doubt anyone actually visited the guy's apartment
21:52 mircea_popescu for the simple reason that if anyone ever did most of the us would be so very much less lonely.
21:52 asciilifeform nobody had to, but a trojan
21:52 mircea_popescu that good a trojan ?
21:52 mircea_popescu 4 btc ?
21:52 mircea_popescu hm.
21:53 asciilifeform I study trojans for money. Most BTC botnets, for example, are quite pitiful (a handful of GH/sec.)
21:53 mircea_popescu indeed.
21:53 asciilifeform the author has little control over who will be infected
21:54 asciilifeform all he has is hope, that some of the chumps will own high-end ATI cards, etc
21:54 asciilifeform so it is entirely conceivable that a yubikey-enabled gox diddler exists but has managed to infect only paupers
21:55 mircea_popescu i have yet to see any indication of such wonder in practice.
21:55 asciilifeform not that I believe the linked thread to be evidence of such, mind you
21:55 mircea_popescu yeah.
21:56 asciilifeform my only argument, really, is that btc as we know it is a soft target, and that life will become considerably more interesting once the truly competent people take an interest in playing.
21:56 optimator it's hard to assess to validity of any claim, but there is a common factor between her story and this one - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/
21:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform soft but soft in the sense of amoeba
21:57 mircea_popescu or gribble colony
21:57 optimator both had their wallet.dat on truecrypt
21:57 mircea_popescu optimator the reason girl said anything/i'm leading some credence to the claim of 2fa is because this isn't the first case i've heard.
21:57 asciilifeform an amoeba colony, but in a public toilet, waiting for the janitor and his chlorine.
21:58 optimator MITM attack, or just bad random seed for 2fa?
21:58 asciilifeform truecrypt in particular is trivially broken on a compromised machine.
21:58 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.015 = 0.255 BTC [-]
21:58 mircea_popescu I used a random 64 character ASCII character password from this site for my truecrypt password.
21:58 mircea_popescu that may have been sniffed maybe >?
21:58 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01512 = 0.1966 BTC [+]
21:58 optimator maybe, https with EV certificate
21:59 optimator gox has EV cert making MITM seem unlikely
22:00 asciilifeform optimator: have you personally gone through the trusted public cert store in your browser/OS?
22:00 optimator but I agree I like my own entropy over someone else's - I like my own brand :)
22:01 optimator asciilifeform: no - and it kinda freaks me out. I think SSL cert authentication through a PKI is a gapping hole
22:01 asciilifeform SSL is a joke by design.
22:01 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/c9xjk4s
22:01 mircea_popescu actually this is interesting
22:01 mircea_popescu because of the change issue. wallet.dat was stolen
22:02 asciilifeform btw there is never any real need to steal wallet.dat. all you need to do is patch bitcoind (or whatever) on the disk so that it sends everything to address X when you finally key in the passphrase.
22:02 optimator mircea_popescu: it's very interesting - I like the conclusion of the time the wallet was stolen
22:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform bitcoind is such a mess it'd be easier to make a million dollars being a janitor.
22:03 asciilifeform as far as the world could tell (even if you log all the packets coming out of your home) it will look like you voluntarily donated your stash to X.
22:03 mircea_popescu "I haven't nor will I ask for donations. This truly sucks for me, but I only want to find out how this happened. I wish I could see the code/method used for educational purposes. Fuck people who steal. I strive for bitcoins and litecoins to gain popularity among the masses and become an accepted currency in societies eyes."
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22:03 mircea_popescu always funny when people with 85 ltc speak of the masses.
22:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe me (or not, your choice) this is actually very, very easy.
22:04 mircea_popescu this.
22:04 asciilifeform this <- patching bitcoind.
22:04 mircea_popescu "In fact, scratch the social engineering, you don't need to convince someone to run your .exe if you can just run your .exe for them via a Java drive-by attack, and admit it, you've left Java installed for extended periods of time, even if you try to keep it uninstalled normally."
22:05 mircea_popescu people actually still use java ?!
22:05 mircea_popescu "I know I've found this one thing that I just have to download and install Java for, then totally forget or put off uninstalling it afterwards, many a time."
22:05 optimator mircea_popescu: 85 * 3.12 = wealth for the masses
22:05 asciilifeform some people have jre installed for wurk, etc
22:05 asciilifeform and some people shit in their kitchen, yes
22:05 mircea_popescu on an actual machine ?
22:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 76 @ 0.01493999 = 1.1354 BTC [+]
22:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 258 @ 0.01494 = 3.8545 BTC [+]
22:06 asciilifeform you'd be surprised
22:07 mircea_popescu i guess.
22:07 asciilifeform jre is just a well-known egregous case. drive-bys are regularly discovered in just about every consumer browser
22:07 mircea_popescu but what the fuck for, seriously.
22:07 asciilifeform *egregious
22:09 asciilifeform my other point is that btc ups the ante for working on hard targets as well as soft ones. you can do some very nice MITM with a compromised router, for instance.
22:09 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01512 = 0.4082 BTC [+]
22:09 mircea_popescu "I figured if I was ever the victim of a wallet stealing program, implementing a dummy in the default location would fool it and upload it, rather than my real one, to the attackers choice, but I was wrong."
22:09 mircea_popescu yeah srsly.
22:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform give me an example.
22:09 asciilifeform re: btc specifically?
22:10 optimator ah - the empty-wallet-fake-em-out security measure
22:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform re your router mitm
22:11 mircea_popescu optimator not sure why people imagine machines locate items by name
22:11 asciilifeform feel free to interpret my silence as proof that I'm full of shit, but personally I'm rather fond of living.
22:12 mircea_popescu Used bitcoin-qt and litecoin-qt. For the wallets, those encryption passwords were from memory. The truecrypt password, I always copied and pasted the password from a text file, on a USB drive, inside a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, totaling 3 different password protected rars to reach the .txt file.
22:12 mircea_popescu who the fuck designed this process ;/
22:12 mircea_popescu anyway, thanks optimator, most entertaining link
22:12 dub I have to run 8 year old java versions
22:13 asciilifeform I'll mention one example from places far away. In certain countries, doctored root certs are routinely placed into default ms-windows installs wherever possible.
22:13 mircea_popescu i don't think it has anything to do with the 2fa mtgox issue but anyway
22:13 dub several different ones
22:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the ideea is, suppose i pass all my traffic through your controlled relay
22:13 asciilifeform then, mass MITM of gmail, etc
22:13 mircea_popescu a linux box, rather than a router, for convenience.
22:13 mircea_popescu so now what ?
22:13 dub almost every ssl cert in this environment is self signed and long epired
22:13 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549899 BTC [+]
22:14 asciilifeform now you go to a site with routinely botched ssl, like mtgox (at least in the recent past), and then click "what the hell" when your browser complains
22:14 dub such is corplife
22:14 asciilifeform alternatively, a drive-by is used to make your machine click "yes" for you.
22:15 optimator asciilifeform: don't forget this approach to compromising ssl sercurity - https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/sjs/how-the-nokia-browser-decrypts-ssl-traffic-a-man-in-the-client/
22:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform except i never use a site over https anyway
22:15 mircea_popescu dub sux to be you bro.
22:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, the girls calculate RSA signatures for you with paper and pencil
22:16 asciilifeform or ought to
22:16 dub you'll find the same thing at most f500's
22:16 mircea_popescu why do they need to calculate rsa or wut ?
22:16 asciilifeform to sign mpex messages?
22:16 mircea_popescu mpex is http
22:16 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+]
22:17 asciilifeform pgp over http (or, someday, over pigeon?)
22:17 mircea_popescu well yes
22:17 mircea_popescu you hadn't noticed ?!
22:17 asciilifeform yes
22:17 asciilifeform as it should be. but if a PC is involved, you might run into strange one day
22:18 mircea_popescu "x86 virtualization is about basically placing another nearly full kernel, full of new bugs, on top of a nasty x86 architecture which barely has correct page protection."
22:18 mircea_popescu great quote that.
22:18 asciilifeform did I write that?
22:18 mircea_popescu "Then running your operating system on the other side of this brand new pile of shit. You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes."
22:18 mircea_popescu i was actually thinking, is this our d friend ?
22:18 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/c9xss1w
22:19 asciilifeform ok, wasn't me this time. but "I approve of this message (tm)"
22:19 asciilifeform vm escapes run the spectrum from the apocalyptic to the "it always worked this way and we don't give a fuck"
22:20 asciilifeform example of the latter: many (most?) xen installs let you set the virtual nic card into promiscuous mode if you root one running os
22:20 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+]
22:21 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.54995 = 4.6499 BTC [+]
22:21 mircea_popescu um
22:21 mircea_popescu so what's the point of virtualization then
22:22 asciilifeform so you can rent a "server" to chumps without actually using one up
22:22 asciilifeform it is like fractional reserve banking for the hosting business.
22:23 asciilifeform some machine architectures (ibm mainframes) had virtualization baked in in an intelligent way, vs. the x86 retrofit
22:23 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.54998 = 7.7499 BTC [+]
22:23 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.55 = 31 BTC [+]
22:23 asciilifeform but in the pc world it is used as an attempt to paper over the fact that the os sucks
22:23 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.55 = 46.5 BTC [+]
22:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.59444 = 7.9722 BTC [+]
22:24 mircea_popescu o i see
22:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.5999 = 30.3981 BTC [+]
22:24 mircea_popescu this is not a bug as much as a hosting feature
22:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.67 = 10.02 BTC [+]
22:24 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.6799 BTC [+]
22:25 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+]
22:25 asciilifeform it not only lets you sell the same machine many times, but passes the security buck to the chump: "oh, you got rooted? your fault, should have patched yourself"
22:25 mircea_popescu "TC gives you a false sense of security so its worse than no partition encryption."
22:25 mircea_popescu this may actuallty be true
22:25 asciilifeform this is deeply and profoundly true.
22:25 mircea_popescu my impression of the general truecrypt population is that they're not particularly more secure than average
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22:25 mircea_popescu just more preocupied with it
22:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01494 = 1.494 BTC [+]
22:26 optimator asciilifeform: doesn't it work if you start with the base as the secure OS. Then virtualize your browsing OS, virtualize your bitcoind OS, virtualize your banking OS, but the base is secure
22:26 ezdiy the more the tunnel vision, the more blind spots for obvious stuff
22:26 asciilifeform optimator: if the virtualization scheme has an escape (or even just leaks info) you're just as fucked
22:27 asciilifeform for instance, AFAIK most x86 virtualization setups leak info through the tlb cache (timing)
22:27 optimator assuming the base has been compromised, or our you suggesting the base could become compromised through a virtualized OS
22:27 asciilifeform the latter.
22:27 optimator how?
22:27 asciilifeform optimator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine_escape
22:28 asciilifeform and if you find a fresh one, I do hope you have better sense than to tell us.
22:28 optimator well fuck
22:29 mircea_popescu http://www.bitcoiney.com/psa-i-had-480-stolen-out-of-my-mt-gox-account-this-morning-despite-having-2-factor-identification-here-is-what-happened
22:29 mircea_popescu actually... there's an update to the story.
22:29 asciilifeform gotta love the advice to file a police report
22:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.01494 = 0.4781 BTC [+]
22:30 mircea_popescu totallyu.
22:30 asciilifeform "my house was raided by interstellar bandits, and they took my TV set to alpha centauri." - "please file a police report."
22:31 asciilifeform someone should sit with the chump, and patiently explain that mtgox doesn't talk to your yubikey. it talks to your idiot consumer pc that happens to have a yubikey plugged in, and a display that can output whatever your new owner wants it to.
22:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform read on, she catches on.
22:32 asciilifeform wait a sec, this was your camgirl ?
22:32 asciilifeform the very same?
22:33 mircea_popescu "Edit2: I was finally able to log into my account and found an API key with full rights to everything. I never made one, wtf does this mean?"
22:33 mircea_popescu basically this is a stolen session
22:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform one of, the one with the daytrading.
22:34 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+]
22:34 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01525 = 0.122 BTC [+]
22:34 asciilifeform the proper course of action in a case like this is to 1) publish a (sanitized) image of your hdd and 2) perform manly seppuku if necessary
22:35 optimator "If mircea trusts me with BTC I cant be too much of a fuckup." optimator wipes tear
22:35 asciilifeform the whining is disappointing
22:35 mircea_popescu eh you lot are just mean.
22:35 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.01525 = 1.6013 BTC [+]
22:36 asciilifeform what, just because she's a girl?
22:36 mircea_popescu yeah.
22:36 asciilifeform that's no excuse: http://historum.com/asian-history/14743-jigai-vs-seppuku-japanese-female-suicide.html
22:36 mircea_popescu lol
22:37 mircea_popescu anyway, as you say. mtgox does not talk to yubikey, it talks to teh computor.
22:38 asciilifeform perhaps consumers should be encouraged rather than discouraged in their belief that their pc is alive and is inhabited by devils.
22:38 mircea_popescu i don't think she actually understood before what sessions are and how they work
22:39 inhies boobs
22:39 asciilifeform it is rather like, most people are only vaguely aware that they have livers, until the shot rings out and there is an extra bodily orifice suddenly present.
22:39 optimator asciilifeform: my vote for best laugh tonight
22:40 mircea_popescu imo sessions are this idiocy from hell.
22:40 asciilifeform the whole pc orchestra (incl. but not limited to wintel) is idiocy from hell.
22:41 mircea_popescu yes but this is worse.
22:41 mircea_popescu actually tbh the "logged in" concept, rested on supposed sessionization of a stateless protocol is, imo, the most ridiculous idea of mankind to date.
22:42 mircea_popescu female circumcision makes comparatively a lot more sense.
22:42 asciilifeform but the chumps love it (except when they don't, yes)
22:42 mircea_popescu right
22:42 optimator convenience
22:42 mircea_popescu i mean when it was originally introduced it was like... fuck this shit, nobody cares, it's for some blog.
22:43 mircea_popescu "how bad can it get" etc.
22:43 asciilifeform my point, though, is that even if you dispense with the convenience of sessions and go the full-bore "hair shirt" with a paper one-time-pad or whatnot, a compromised machine is still a compromised machine.
22:43 mircea_popescu well... apparently it can get pretty bad.
22:43 optimator wasn't it all? I mean what could go wrong with a local hosts file?
22:43 mircea_popescu very true
22:44 mircea_popescu i guess in the competition for "worst idea to date" they're all winners.
22:44 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.675 BTC [-]
22:44 asciilifeform the one common idea here is that keeping one's money in a public toilet is a Bad Thing.
22:45 mircea_popescu esp if your money smells
22:45 mircea_popescu worse than the toilet
22:45 dub but.. thats where I spend it?
22:45 mircea_popescu i thought that;'s where you made it.
22:45 dub lol
22:45 mircea_popescu somebody needs to make a new tcp/ip stack
22:46 mircea_popescu one that crypts natively
22:46 mircea_popescu basically a sort of otr for ip
22:46 asciilifeform on a new machine architecture, that crypts ram/disk natively, and a number of other essentials...
22:46 dub call it bittoken ring
22:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah
22:46 mircea_popescu ideally your machine would come with a one disk onetimepad
22:47 mircea_popescu 1tb or w/e worth of it.
22:47 mod6 that'd be pretty cool
22:47 mircea_popescu throw it out when done
22:47 asciilifeform except that phrasing the problem as a failure to encrypt is misleading
22:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no it's not. identity is cryptity.
22:47 asciilifeform well yes
22:47 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01525 = 0.1983 BTC [+]
22:47 asciilifeform but when you routinely unearth the plaintext onto potentially-compromised hardware, you are shitting in your kitchen
22:47 mircea_popescu the problem quite fundamentally is a pretense to have identity outside of cryptography
22:48 mircea_popescu no such thing is possible.
22:48 asciilifeform recall the story by your PR girl?
22:48 mircea_popescu anything pretending to exist outside of a cryptographic identity is living in a state of sin.
22:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform which one ?
22:48 optimator mircea_popescu: trust, you have to start somewhere
22:49 mircea_popescu optimator no but look, the very notion of identity, ie, the possibility to distinguish X from Adam
22:49 mircea_popescu rests strictly on some form of encryption.
22:49 asciilifeform this one: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/
22:49 mircea_popescu but i mean *strictly*.
22:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a yes
22:50 asciilifeform and, of course, the grandfather of them all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cold_Equations
22:50 assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1000 @ 0.00285 = 2.85 BTC [-]
22:50 optimator mircea_popescu: yes, but all predicated on trust - even WoT has issues scaling
22:51 mircea_popescu what issues specifically ?
22:51 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.01525 = 1.891 BTC [+]
22:51 optimator the further you are away from x+1 the less trust you can have
22:51 mircea_popescu so ?
22:52 optimator how do I know my banking site is *really* my banking site
22:52 mircea_popescu because they sign your slip with their signature.
22:52 asciilifeform what most people don't get is that your computer is your priest, doctor, and shrink all in one box: http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html
22:52 optimator how do I get their public key?
22:52 mircea_popescu optimator you exchange keys when you start your relationship
22:53 mircea_popescu you give them yours they give you theirs as part of account opening
22:53 optimator right. x+1
22:53 asciilifeform you are trusting the work of ten thousand people (some of whom think your flesh is rather tasty) when you ask it to represent the world to your eyes and act on your behalf.
22:53 mircea_popescu optimator for some reason i don't see the problem you see ?
22:53 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 62 @ 0.0153 = 0.9486 BTC [+]
22:54 asciilifeform imagine if someone were to "root" your eyes and your hands.
22:54 mircea_popescu "Participants in the DRM debate implicitly hold the view that the ownership of your operating system, your personal information, and your media is a complex, joint relationship between you, your operating system vendor, the authors of the applications you run, and the owners of any media that pass through that application. Prevailing wisdom is that the way any given software behaves should be jointly determined by all
22:54 mircea_popescu these parties, factoring in all their interests, and that the argument is simply a matter of degree: who should be given how much control, and by what mechanism."
22:54 mircea_popescu lmao good one.
22:54 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 188 @ 0.0153 = 2.8764 BTC [+]
22:54 mircea_popescu only an american could actually think this.
22:55 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01544 = 0.772 BTC [+]
22:55 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0155 = 0.31 BTC [+]
22:55 asciilifeform "The "you don't own your computer" paradigm is not merely wrong. It is violently, disastrously wrong, and the consequences of this error are likely to be felt for generations to come, unless steps are taken to prevent it."
22:55 mircea_popescu i don't think it's anything of the sort.
22:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01495 = 0.0299 BTC [+]
22:56 mircea_popescu a computer is clearly defined.
22:56 mircea_popescu the chinese may make plaster things which on the surface look like computers
22:56 mircea_popescu and try to inject tyhem into trade as combuders or w/e
22:56 mircea_popescu this has no bearing.
22:56 mircea_popescu a computer is a computer.
22:56 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0153 BTC [-]
22:56 optimator following the example... if I want to transfer money via wire to another bank, then my bank establishes a relationship with bank b. I trust the key exchange has worked. Bank b is X+2. For X-n the WoT breaks down
22:57 mircea_popescu optimator if you transfer money via wire you send it to your bank with instructions
22:57 mircea_popescu they send it to their correspondent with instructions
22:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, but the false implication is that someone, somewhere on Planet 3 can actually buy a computer. in actual fact, they can only buy a "combuder."
22:57 mircea_popescu nobody promoted you to the job of wire central clearance house.
22:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't seem to have much trouble buying a computer
22:57 optimator no that's where I *trust*
22:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: I sincerely hope you're joking
22:58 mircea_popescu your objections re x86 architecture aside
22:58 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0153 = 0.1224 BTC [-]
22:58 mircea_popescu the fact that one can still hack banks to this day is proof enough
22:58 optimator how about firmware signed with their public key. I have to trust they exchanged it with A who exchanged it with B that finally gets to me
22:58 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0159 BTC [+]
22:58 mircea_popescu optimator so ?
22:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the fact that all of your assets appear to be roughly where they are supposed to be is proof only of your good fortune.
22:59 optimator What is it does A->B->c->D and c is the bad guy?
22:59 mircea_popescu optimator recently we've had some practical testing of this.
22:59 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 84 @ 0.0153 = 1.2852 BTC [-]
22:59 mircea_popescu you can to this day send orders to mpex via proxies no matter how dirty.
22:59 mircea_popescu the most they can do is relay.
22:59 asciilifeform banks, interestingly, don't terribly mind being hackable, because sovereigns can sort of reverse their fuckups for them. and at any rate, they pass the cost onto chumps.
23:00 asciilifeform btc is where the cold equations meet your skin up close and personal
23:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you read that excellent piece re base vs acid ?
23:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ?
23:00 optimator asciilifeform: please we call it a haircut, don't refer to the customers as chumps
23:00 mircea_popescu http://highscalability.com/blog/2013/5/1/myth-eric-brewer-on-why-banks-are-base-not-acid-availability.html
23:00 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0159 = 1.113 BTC [+]
23:01 mircea_popescu in general commerce has always worked on the basis of reconciliation
23:01 asciilifeform no serious surprise here
23:01 optimator mircea_popescu: I agree your model works, but if, in my example, c does bad stuff - I don't think you can tell. You simple have trusted others in the chain
23:02 mircea_popescu optimator so ?
23:02 mircea_popescu just because you're a shut-in doesn't mean the world can work on your paradigm.
23:02 ThickAsThieves TAT.ASICMINER just passed S.MPOE for all time sales volume on BTCT.co
23:02 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0159 = 0.4611 BTC [+]
23:02 mircea_popescu trust is central to society, and to the continuation of teh species.
23:02 asciilifeform so far, whenever banks get burned, ultimately some nice fellows with printing presses (or automatic weapons, if need be) show up to make them whole again.
23:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01495 = 0.7475 BTC [+]
23:03 optimator ha! idk, i just see it as an issue - maybe just me - sure
23:03 mircea_popescu optimator i don't even mean you personally
23:03 asciilifeform btc is the first step into the fun world of interstellar commerce, where fuckups are between you and your gods to cry over
23:03 mircea_popescu i'm just saying, a relationship of trust isn't a weakpoint per se. it can be a strongpoint.
23:03 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [+]
23:04 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so good for you.
23:04 asciilifeform anyone who cried over the ending of "shall be delivered" (http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/) hasn't really made peace with the cold equations yet.
23:04 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01615 = 2.4225 BTC [+]
23:05 asciilifeform "who do you sue when your parachute doesn't open"
23:06 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01615 = 0.4038 BTC [+]
23:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 448 @ 0.01495 = 6.6976 BTC [+]
23:16 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01615 = 0.3069 BTC [+]
23:16 KRS-1 Zzzzzzzzzz somebody do something
23:17 KRS-1 I'm about to go back to forex
23:17 mircea_popescu lol
23:18 asciilifeform recall the fellow in MP's comments who implied that secure systems were used by banks to secure "trillion dollar transactions" ?
23:18 asciilifeform http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/
23:19 asciilifeform trillion dollar transactions in fiat are secured via "Ultima Ratio Regum."
23:19 asciilifeform http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ultima_Ratio_Regum_Cannon.jpg
23:20 asciilifeform in btc, we will need actual mechanical security.
23:25 mircea_popescu um
23:30 KRS-1 what was gox volume this time last year
23:36 optimator oh geez, I just got sucked into Tildeā€™s story
23:36 KRS-1 ~
23:36 mircea_popescu which ?
23:37 optimator http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/
23:37 mircea_popescu a
23:37 optimator broken trust
23:38 optimator but I say that with a :(
23:38 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-]
23:39 mircea_popescu yeah
23:40 optimator so on to happier thoughts
23:46 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-]
23:47 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.675 = 3.35 BTC [+]
23:47 assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.69 = 10.14 BTC [+]
23:56 assbot [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01615 = 0.0969 BTC [+]
23:59 mircea_popescu lol this irs/teaparty thing is going great.
23:59 mircea_popescu i think putin is loling hard atm.
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