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04:22 BingoBoingo http://archive.is/1sMEN << Exercises in blogging gymnastics
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06:30 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/10/07/i-sit-i-weigh/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- I Sit. I Weigh.
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
07:33 diana_coman upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
07:37 mp_en_viaje diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
07:38 mp_en_viaje lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
07:39 mp_en_viaje meh, http://bingology.net/2019/10/07/i-sit-i-weigh/ not accessible, and i'm guessing was accessible for too short an interval for lobbesbot to archive it, as not avail there either.
07:40 mp_en_viaje o wait, it was given as such. wtf, archive.is is retarded, can't find it by search ?
07:40 mp_en_viaje ooooh i see, dns is down, page saved by i see , i see. doh.
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07:57 mp_en_viaje "I volunteered for the Uruguay mission to save Qntra" << i remember that part
07:57 mp_en_viaje man, crazy times.
08:03 mp_en_viaje "the body of work I have written for Qntra" << it is pretty fucking good. i usually read it as it comes out ; but it IS news, so i also read it like i read news, six months to a year+ later.
08:03 mp_en_viaje i can say definitely that outside of ancient newspapers of very narrow scholarly interest eg and REALLY old versions of europapers (eg) nothing reads even remotely as well as qntra.
08:03 mp_en_viaje the terseness is a restrospectively evident winning principle ; and your handling of the labels-and-references indirection layers just fine.
08:04 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941225 - I know.
08:04 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 03:37:23 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely.
~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~
09:08 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo_, i tell you i don't comprehend this defective approach, as seen in "I don't know if I can continue to make camp in Uruguay on Qntra alone or in combination with the local economy of faltas. Maybe I breed rabbits" and elsewhere.
09:08 mp_en_viaje so, you take job running isp, have some time there, do not spend that time to acquire the things someone running isp has and you do not. then later, you're doing whatever it is you're doing for pizarro, it's not clear to me (or, i suspect, to them), but you don't actually acquire ~any~ kind of skills involved.
09:08 mp_en_viaje you're, for the experience, not now an experienced, seasoned dc technician. i was waiting for the word "pcap" to come out of you, as a token show of even having a clue what the fuck this all is -- zilch.
09:08 mp_en_viaje you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
09:08 mp_en_viaje you dropped your life to move there, physically, yes. the distance is good, the environment stable, all the conceivable prerequisites for undisturbed, uninterrupted study in place. but have you studied ? what have you studied ?
09:08 mp_en_viaje the days seem to pass like for women, as if the passage itself is a gain alone, as if some kind of implicitly valuable thing is growing in your viscera by itself, in the dark, unknown and incomprehensible, allthewhile all you have to do is keep stuffing food down one end of a digestive tube and evacuate out the other at regular enough intervals -- mariahilf will provide for the rest, for all the rest.
09:09 mp_en_viaje are you pregnant with pizarro, is that the idea ? it's not gonna happen by itself, you know, it has to be ~made~. built, like a thing, product of ~man~'s industry, out of all the parts, individually, each made correctly and exact, all put together as is proper. interesting things are never born, they're always ~made~.
09:09 mp_en_viaje if tomorrow republic declared you a gunsmith, would you put up a shingle reading TMSR Gunsmith and then sit indoors in the dark until kicked out ? meditating, maybe ?
09:09 mp_en_viaje for things to exist they have to be made. for things to be made you must know what things there are and how they are made.
09:09 mp_en_viaje did you build yourself the list of all the parts of the thing, and then the complete details of each and every single one of them, that ever historically existed, and the practical dexterities of making them all and so on ?
09:09 mp_en_viaje did you spend your time poring over "how does networking work ?" "what is connectivity ?" how many dc maps did you review, how many dc people did you talk to and what about, did you bother to learn the global connectivity map by heart, just as a fuckyou to the darkness, "look, i can trace all the main lines people spent millions / meter to even lay in the first place, you can't even draw the fucking planisphere and i can dra
09:09 mp_en_viaje w it with the threads of connectivity, because you're not fit to be a citizen of the 1950s when they put the man on the moon and i belong, i firmly and substantially belong in the 2000s, when we have undersea cables" ?
09:09 mp_en_viaje if i show you that indeed peering arrangements are trivially reviewable over the internet you then apply it, that's fine, but why do I have to show you, you were there for all these years and never did it occur to you to look ? why not ? you did not know dcs peer, for instance ? it never occured to you that they must ? why not ? what's needed, other than me showing you specifically, for it to occur ?
09:09 mp_en_viaje there's ten thousand details, just like that, and you can eat or try to eat or byte or whatever a few each day, and more each week, and then week after week after week you eat the whole thing. this is how the world was built, because no part of it was yet borne by woman, all was built, by men, laying brick on brick and rivet on rail and each and every part individually without exception all the way from the bottom to the ver
09:09 mp_en_viaje y tip.
09:09 mp_en_viaje nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say mean, hurtfu
09:09 mp_en_viaje l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
09:09 mp_en_viaje he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and then he's stuc
09:09 mp_en_viaje k for another however long with some incomprehensible thing he's really trying to insulate his own identity from.
09:09 mp_en_viaje if you don't study and practice to be a manager, you will never be one, except in contexts such as "a disappointing manager". if you don't study and practice to be a dc tech, you will never be one either. nothing you will be, unless you study and practice that thing, and these are not idle words, they're day after day and hour after hour ~actual~ activity.
09:10 mp_en_viaje so you're going to... raise rabits ? what possible sense can this fucking make, it's this concept of the failure personified, instead of raising above the minimum bar you plan to entrench it as an insuperable maximum ?
09:11 mp_en_viaje is this some kind of failure worship, you get a scholarship to go to university, do not meaningfully show up to any class, then when they come to evict you from your dorm room you "figure out a way" to hang a rainproof sheet from the fire hydrant, "make yourself a shelter", "hey, it's a skill also" ?
09:12 mp_en_viaje it's not a fucking skill, surviving through ad-hocisms is not manly. it's the exact equivalent of becoming a transvestite, except not bothering with the exterior aspect of the matter, a woman trapped in a man's body slightly differently than the twinks.
09:14 mp_en_viaje you're going to be the guy who went to uruguay to establish republican isp who instead started subsistence farming ? the man from the future turned into the dead of the past ?! become a fucking guarani now ?!
~ 28 minutes ~
09:43 mp_en_viaje anyways, im traveling today, so shall bbl.
~ 3 hours 36 minutes ~
13:19 mp_en_viaje o hai
13:20 * mp_en_viaje is en route to linz no less. all hail modern technology.
~ 20 minutes ~
13:40 mp_en_viaje also i've been trying to read shaw's attempt at a charles play.
13:41 mp_en_viaje i can follow along with the man, "hey, restoration comedy as a vehicle for the trade in meats, yet another-eth attempt at selling whatever young cunt's hips, thigs, waist and tits under the flimsy pretext & distraction of "being" moll whatever is outstandingly uninteresting
13:43 mp_en_viaje it is, i'm with him. there;s also no need to keep pretending "new titles" for porn films. you need... i dunno, mAAAAybe a few dozen, pre-given and fixed forever ; then keep re-shooting them ~as such~ every time there's a new cunt comes off the highschool benches juicy enough to justify the effort.
13:44 mp_en_viaje "class of 2019 does the soubrette presentation" is legitimate pron ; and naught else really is.
13:45 mp_en_viaje which yes, liberates threatre itself from the directly munane requirements of the trade in meats. if you want to get a better price for the prize heifer you raised, get her a "leaked tape", don't try and put her in a play. alright, all good.
13:46 mp_en_viaje then he moves on to point out that the only source of interest is... encounters. meeting. "what if newton knew charles ?" is the mother of all theatre. i can see this, it makes perfect sense, and it's the exact sort of stroke of utter genius that makes shaw have a name in the first place.
13:48 mp_en_viaje oedipus rex is nothing else and naught besides "what if jocasta met oedipus". that they coincidentally did meet, whereas newton and charles coincidentally didn't meet is irrelevant. it's the lot of the greeks to only write a bout encounters that took place, through lack of correct numeration system to permit them egress from their simple naivity. but we have better representation systems, so we can write better thestre.
13:48 mp_en_viaje excellent, i'm with him.
13:48 mp_en_viaje "and then," he follows, "george fox was great".
13:48 mp_en_viaje as a factual matter, george fox was an offensive good for nothing know it all whose memory is not wort hpissing on.
13:48 mp_en_viaje essence of old woman what the fuck!
13:49 mp_en_viaje and THEN, to balance out the political unbearable idiocy, he wants to also add an artist.
13:49 mp_en_viaje who does he want to add ?
13:49 mp_en_viaje fucking hogwash, of "a rake's progress" and "marriage a la mode" fame.
13:49 mp_en_viaje motherfucker, is this thing written by bowdler himself or what the fuck ?!
13:51 mp_en_viaje then his idea of showing just how brilliant newton is, is to add logarithms to do multiplications and to tell some eager barrista her lifetime in seconds. because TOTALLY, this is exactly NOT historical newton, but an insulting parody made by the illiterate, with no fucking point of contact ewith actual reality besides the name.
13:51 mp_en_viaje if newton was dumb enoguh to approach 3*7 via log and "antilog", he'd never have been "known by the claw", because no fucking claw here. in point of fact, the man was specificaslly famous for NOT doing the equivalent of the log detour, in situations where nobodyu else knew the direct route.
13:52 mp_en_viaje and then, inverosimilously, his housekeeper, who memorized 3*6 and 3*8 as such, as pure symbols, "why 2 schillings and not 9 glubghsh?" does not know 21. because what the fuck, she's only been doing this for decades and it just didn't stick in her mind. she's a 6yo 50yo very respecable moron.
13:53 mp_en_viaje and THEN charles is this guy who;s gonna pick up any maid he sees, because totally.
13:53 mp_en_viaje i fail to see the difference between this shaw and yesterdays moron with the vasectomized real men. i do. it's not fucking present
13:53 mp_en_viaje motherfucker.
13:56 mp_en_viaje i've over the years reviewed a lot of widely distant grant proposals and then deliveries on those proposals ; but shaw's play here discussed is by very far the most disjunct. i feel defrauded.
13:57 mp_en_viaje and THEN he has newton go into fucking monologue, like wanna-be shakespeare, "oh i am so and forth and my parents and my curse", what is he, fucking bastiano ?
13:57 mp_en_viaje god damn it all to heck
~ 52 minutes ~
14:49 mp_en_viaje aite well, hello linz, and bbl again.
~ 47 minutes ~
15:36 * asciilifeform wakes up, tests, dulap still lost in space .
15:40 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
15:40 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
15:41 asciilifeform and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!!
15:42 asciilifeform i'm persuaded that the latech dummkopfs ~also~ have nfi what is pcap.
15:43 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941240 << this is entirely good q.
15:43 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 08:08:16 mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
15:48 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
15:48 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
15:48 ericbot Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'
15:52 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941254 << asciilifeform also not wwwist, but had to pick up e.g. the logotron, because no one else stood up. this is what happens when dire shortage of manpower.
15:52 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:13 mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and the
15:53 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941253 << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long.
15:53 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
15:56 diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 - you know, I *want to* publish it but I have no working blog.
15:56 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 11:40:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
15:56 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
15:57 asciilifeform diana_coman: hrm last i was at console, ossasepia was reachable. but nao indeed not!!!
15:57 asciilifeform ditto qntra
15:57 asciilifeform apparently whole orchestra dead in water? BingoBoingo are you alive in there ? wtf ?
15:57 diana_coman it's been unreachable since yesterday evening (or at least that's when I checked and found out nope)
15:58 asciilifeform grr
15:59 asciilifeform unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole.
15:59 diana_coman asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
16:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: right
16:00 asciilifeform exactly as latech would have if it were run by people and not monkeys
16:02 asciilifeform diana_coman: if BingoBoingo is in the cage nao, bazaring w/ latech, as was proclaimed ( and not, saw, cowering in a hole ) i expect today we'll get something resembling an answer.
16:02 asciilifeform * not, say
16:02 diana_coman asciilifeform: tbh that's the mind-boggling thing ie what exactly are/were latech doing; and I'd say BingoBoingo_ goes there with a flamethrower and doesn't leave until he finds out.
16:03 diana_coman hopefully.
16:04 diana_coman wb BingoBoingo
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16:04 asciilifeform atm it seems that not 1 single box is reachable.
16:04 * asciilifeform waves to BingoBoingo
16:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In the morning's hopper http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Xr-u
16:07 asciilifeform 'We are working on that with the ISP.' << who's 'the isp' ? antel ? can we cut out the layer of 'we' who 'are working with isp' ?!
16:08 asciilifeform cuz that 'we' dun seem to be worth a dime
16:09 asciilifeform ( why was diana_coman's 'we' able to digest the whole thing in <10min, and our 'we' takes 4days and still aint digested ? )
16:10 asciilifeform hey BingoBoingo they have an office in there, don't they ? why are you stuck waiting for email replies ? go there
16:10 diana_coman BingoBoingo: can you actually talk directly to anyone there and find out exactly, specifically, concretely just *what* they have been doing, step by step, since Friday attack-time until now?
16:11 diana_coman because so far from the info coming out they have been doing just one thing, namely nullrouting your IPs and precisely nothing else.
16:11 asciilifeform ^
16:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Phone call this morning, waiting on a call back
16:12 diana_coman BingoBoingo: did they not even answer or why call back
16:12 diana_coman ?
16:12 BingoBoingo No .pcap
16:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: how come it has to be via phone ? i was in that thing, there was a glass box with bipeds in it
16:12 BingoBoingo diana_coman: Someone is in a meeting/wants to talk to me
16:13 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Lower bipeds on pyramid of pretense in glass box
16:13 asciilifeform and how about the actually in-command bipeds ? they are in brazil or where ? why can't get to'em in person ?
16:14 diana_coman so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
16:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They are either in the freezone nearby or aguada park on the other side of time
16:15 BingoBoingo town
16:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dun tell me you dun even know where?!
16:15 asciilifeform find where. and go there. holyfuq.
16:16 asciilifeform or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?!
16:16 BingoBoingo But we do have Oscars: "We are working on that with the ISP. As soon as we get the information we will send you." showing they in all likelyhood don't know what pcap is
16:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The freezone office is door, behind a couple doors I don't have keys too
16:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: so, you show up there with a copy of the fucking signed contract, and 0 doors will open?!
16:18 asciilifeform what kinda africa is this?!
16:21 BingoBoingo Aite, I have paper contract in hand
16:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: seems to me that we're being elementarily defrauded, and that the very next thing to do will be to get whatever passes for attourney in that shithole.
16:22 asciilifeform megabux -- in, bullshit -- out. this is actionable even in zimbabwe.
16:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up.
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16:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Going towards door
16:23 asciilifeform aite.
16:23 * asciilifeform going towards tea, brb.
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17:01 * asciilifeform back.
17:03 * asciilifeform waits for word from the front.
17:06 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
17:06 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
17:06 lobbes The second chunk, which includes the searching and pingbacks portion, I am not sure yet.
17:09 lobbes not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well
17:14 lobbes in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
17:14 * lobbes bbl
17:15 diana_coman lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
17:16 asciilifeform diana_coman: happens to asciilifeform regularly, in this swampy penal colony.
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17:52 asciilifeform meanwhile, diana_coman , lobbes , i'ma have to regrind the latest patch, it is defective (and not simply on acct of the double quotes thing) , apparently in 'a' of diff had wrong copy of MANIFEST .
17:55 diana_coman asciilifeform: I have pressed only to active_disconnect, not further
17:55 lobbes asciilifeform: roger that. I've yet to deploy latest patch anyways, so this'll work out
17:55 asciilifeform this is why no one complained
17:55 asciilifeform it's braindamaged tho and i'ma have to do it again, made coarse error of pilotage when vdiffing
17:56 asciilifeform will make the removal of the broken doublequote thing a separate patch tho.
17:57 asciilifeform or hm i ought to check again for 3rd time
17:58 asciilifeform ok i was wrong, in fact was missing 'sept_errata' in the test press.
17:58 asciilifeform 'detect_disconnect' is a valid patch.
17:58 asciilifeform (however does not include removal of the doublequote thing, will be in next.)
17:58 asciilifeform false alarm.
17:59 lobbes kk
17:59 * asciilifeform was quite ready to believe that he fucked even this, after last coupla days
17:59 lobbes in that case I will deploy detect_disconnect tonight methinks. The mp-wp bot will probably end up forking from this point in the logotron tree as well
17:59 asciilifeform tips for fyooyoor vtronicists : if press barfs that cannot find antecedent, use the 'o' (origin) knob on the unfound hash. will say if is even in tree anywhere
18:00 asciilifeform lobbes: the autodisconnector in fact was thoroughly tested, while dulap was 'half alive' on sat.
18:01 asciilifeform i had a chance to deploy right before the pipe's last epileptic fit .
18:01 lobbes asciilifeform: aha, I did notice it detected the disconnects like a champ
18:02 asciilifeform lobbes: it's a very simple mechanism. could probably be made moar sensitive ( turn knob down from 180 ) but it'd create a risk of spurious disconnects.
18:02 asciilifeform so far 180 seems like entirely reasonable value to asciilifeform .
18:04 asciilifeform hrm i prolly oughta patch vtron so that actually gives detailed barf when encounters an apparently 'martian' antecedent, and for ~all~ such encounters in full list.
18:04 asciilifeform ( but when will get to do this, do not know atm )
18:05 asciilifeform ( atm the barf you get if you , like asciilifeform , hamhandedly forgot to include a patch in 'patches' , is cryptic )
18:05 asciilifeform a press that stops on 'MANIFEST' is dead giveaway tho.
18:09 lobbes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941363 << could be insect (def. buggy here much like asciilifeform-istan). Though there are no visible 'bumps' that would indicate a bite. I've been prone to "styes" before as well, but in this case it is a more uniform swelling of the entire lid vs a stye which tends to be focused on one area.
18:09 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 16:15:02 diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
18:09 lobbes Though, now that I think of it, I may have just inadvertently scratched the inside of my eyelid the other day while rubbing it; irritation seemed to begin after that event. I'll let it alone and give it until tomorrow in any case before seeing doctor (perhaps save some time/money this way)
18:09 * lobbes back to saeculum for a spell
18:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Back. I went to the freezone office, persisted at Latecho's intercom lock long enough to discover Maximiliano and Oscar together in the Tower 4 datacenter which houses our rack. Unlike the couple times last night where I visited a cool datacenter, it was hot and loud with the noise of angry fans. They declared that this isn't normal and that they had tried a routine "maneuver" with the air conditioners which failed. After
18:23 BingoBoingo they washed their hands we proceeded the quieter coffee shop one floor up for the breaking of the balls. On the way up I mentioned how a client's other datacenter in "third world moldavia" managed to sent .pcaps and detailed information. I was told the files they have are not .pcaps but "huge", I told them I want them anyways, that more than anything I need all the information because 'this first week of October has already settled that
18:23 BingoBoingo there will be zero nines of uptime for October.' That point kept being repeated... (coffee shop continuation next message)
18:27 BingoBoingo I paid for my own coffe drink called a 'lagrima' in cash and waited as they fiddled with the Pasawar Intl billing information to order their drinks. Oscar did seem inclined to forward information, but Maximiliano, like his predecessor Rodrigo interjected a couple times that he wants the information passed when "the situation is resolved". Each of these interjections was answered with "I am running a business" and repetition of the point
18:27 BingoBoingo that there will be no nines of uptime this month. (there's more)
18:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: let's have the more
18:33 asciilifeform 'maneuver with air conditioners?' what is this, chernobyl reactor 4 ?!
18:34 BingoBoingo They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
18:34 BingoBoingo only other non-Antel option they could have pursued in country is Telefonica/Movistar. Maxi boy appeared legitimately shocked when I pointed out Telefonica was shopping their Uruguay operation Pretrobras style and looking for an exit. Maximiliano said he was unfamiliar with that news. He his face contorted like an injured child's when I told him the news was in the local papers recently (there's more)
18:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am submitting this testimony as I recollect it while it is fresh.
18:34 asciilifeform aite, won't interrupt
18:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plox to continue ?
18:43 BingoBoingo They did mention they and dedicado were looking into "Arbor", this suggest that they googled DDoS mitigation. Maxi offered 1 MONTH as the timeframe to implement a reasonably stable solution other than blackholing. I responded that if that is the case, I am going to need ALL the information and I am going to need it now. There were deflections to Century Link and the wait there, and I responded with CenturyLink's notoriously poor
18:43 BingoBoingo customer service and that their ASN's BGP declares Pasawar Intl peers with Antel. When pressed on what would happen if this was Antel I received a lot of "I dunno" and head hanging. (there's more)
18:44 BingoBoingo At one point they did ask IF I HAD ANY INFORMATION! I responded no. I received no ransom notes or anything that suggests an attack. (there's more)
18:49 BingoBoingo After leaving with Oscar's assurance informaiton will be sent and with the final request that I do receive everything, I swung by Tienda Inglesa and bought a hand truck because I'll probably need one. I arrived back at the desk to see one email from Maxi asking if I could send him my phone number again because my Movistar Uruguay phone number doesn't appear to be a Uruguay phone number. I have yet to receive a datadump or link to a data
18:49 BingoBoingo dump from Oscar. (now to answer asciilifeform's first question in as much detail and context as I can)
18:52 asciilifeform the other q , BingoBoingo , is : who the hell is maximiliano ? is he the chairman of latech ? ( cuz if not, what happened to this ?? )
18:52 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 15:22:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up.
18:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Just as concerning as the Airconditioner fuckup is who was addressing it. When you were here, you met Joaquim who is(was?) the guy in the glass box. He did glass box stuff. I have no earthly idea why Maxi the sales manager and Oscar the Telecom manager were THE PEOPLE to be fucking with the air conditioners.
18:53 BingoBoingo There was a poor miserable looking girl in the glass box as a the receptionist.
18:53 asciilifeform fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
18:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maximillian is the sales manager.
18:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: for the handtruck there will be time later, when folx actually start to demand evacuation. presently you ought to be visiting 1) chairman's office, w/ contract in hand, and ready to explain exactly what will happen if service not restored (and compensation paid ). 2nd stop -- http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941177 , 3rd -- law office .
18:55 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-06 20:27:07 mp_en_viaje: if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud.
18:56 BingoBoingo I suspect Latecho's situation degraded substantially and recently within the past month. It appears the folks who could run things quit or were chased out. Despite a recently installed giant multirack cage I assume is some streaming cache in the datacenter, Latecho does not appear healthy.
18:57 BingoBoingo And yes, It appears it is time to start shopping the case for litigation
18:57 asciilifeform it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt.
18:58 asciilifeform that dc was less % full than our rack.
18:59 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: are you ready to execute 1->2->3 ?
19:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Recently it filled up big. Someone put in a huged controlled access fence taking up 1 new aisle of Tower 4 and their racks are full. But yes I suspect they may be bankrupt/insolvent.
19:00 asciilifeform diana_coman was entirely right , there is no moar time for waitings, BingoBoingo .
19:00 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 15:13:29 diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
19:00 asciilifeform no moar 'they will call me whenever, nfi when'
19:02 asciilifeform time now , is for counterattack.
19:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am ready to get rolling on 2-3. I suspect the target of 1 is in hiding. The contract was on the table as we discussed at the coffee shop. They looked at it and apeared to recognize what it was. I did not reference it or its text, but it was visible.
19:04 BingoBoingo Before I get rolling on that I do want to address something up log.
19:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
19:07 asciilifeform ianal but even in fucking ru this is open&shut case
19:14 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941319 << I didn't manage to find the Trilema I wanted to link on that point. In the line I wanted to link you said something to the point of "raise rabbits, or do anything", I intend to litigate the Latecho issue, get more involved in National Party politics, etc. I wanted to honestly capture the despair my failure wrought on myself for myself and to read myself. And I feel less pregnant and more
19:14 BingoBoingo married with respect to Pizarro. Yes I can see my approach as defective. I may need to do remedial work in Diana's schoolhouse.
19:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I suspect mp may have something useful to weight in with respect to knocking on chairman's door with contract first, or knocking on chairman's door with service papers first.
19:17 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: well mp's giving a meat violin concerto or the like atm. and time is of the essence. so i will say, chairman 1st, for so long as BingoBoingo knows the obvious thing to say (i.e. pointedly NOT 'pleez dear sir can haz pipe back' but instead 'this is about the continued solvency of your company, the next conversation will involve barrister, now let's have working pipe, guarantees, and compensation' )
19:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I do not know how wise it is to tip the litigation hand and giving them warning.
19:20 BingoBoingo Warning with which they could use to rush their probably inevitable bankruptcy filing
19:20 asciilifeform well atm the fucker thinks he is stomping a defenseless insect. important to convey that he is mistaken.
19:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
19:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat.
19:29 asciilifeform atm we dun have a working isp, BingoBoingo . we MAYBE will have with what to build one, if the culprits are made to pay.
19:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja ask , btw, that monkey, who said 'month', what we are expected to do for 'month' ? suck thumbs ?
19:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon.
19:31 asciilifeform they're in breach of the contract BingoBoingo . elementarily. we've been paying for pipe, and aint getting no piping !!
19:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I did. His face went dumb
19:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They are, they are not sharing information in line with the industry standards they are expected to perform to, and we need to extract compensation from them from which to build euro-ISP or whatever.
19:33 asciilifeform hm BingoBoingo what does that radio pipe cost ?
19:33 asciilifeform i was able to get '3g' gsm in that bunker.
19:33 asciilifeform from where was it ?
19:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They run fiber to the DC, but radio is what they provide to consumers and small businesses in remote areas.
19:37 BingoBoingo I would like to spend the rest of this afternoon productively setting up lawyer auditions with my copy of the contract and the local Código de Commercio
19:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wasn't suggesting this as a long-term connectivity. but atm we even lack means of seeing wtf is happening in the cage.
19:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: aite. watch for mp waking up, i expect he'll have what to add to this .
19:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry.
19:39 asciilifeform ( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add )
19:40 BingoBoingo I am too dumbfounded by what I heard today to believe any hard won minutes of uptime is going to be more revealing than working to begin litigation and forcing them to divulge in court.
19:40 asciilifeform there is no moar avoiding of the law office an' the court, BingoBoingo
19:40 BingoBoingo Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands.
19:40 asciilifeform unless they somehow find money in sofa cushion to settle
19:41 BingoBoingo All of them doing TCP SYN without getting my dumps requested in person ours ago.
19:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Then we recoup value for yourself and mod6 from which to sprinboard next thing.
19:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 1st we hear from mp ; then to start taking reqs for evacuations.
19:43 asciilifeform asciilifeform does not have anyffin personally owned in the cage. there is snsa iron, mp will be who decides when to evacuate. others -- themselves, ditto.
19:44 asciilifeform same i believe goes for smg.
19:44 asciilifeform trinque, mod6 , i think are the remaining. ^
19:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Aite. I'm going to give my mind digest and re-read time and then head out to knock on a couple doors to see who is hungry.
19:44 asciilifeform aite.
19:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo 1 moar thing :
19:45 asciilifeform get the sealed FG stockpile outta there, and into somewhere well-hidden.
19:46 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am going to be headed in the datacenter direction. Will make sure nothing's on fire and rescue those irreplaceables.
19:46 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo .
20:00 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: About to head out the door. Orders have been issued to the Venezolanas to probe their networks for independent abogado/as with a manner uncommonly agressive for Uruguay with time to dedicate to a case pursuing maximum damages under the comemrcial and criminal codes for selling a faulty product advertised as first class for which just under 3000 USD a month has been paid the past 21 months. Going now to knock on a few
20:00 BingoBoingo doors with the same pitch.
20:02 asciilifeform goodluck BingoBoingo
20:05 BingoBoingo I want blood. You want blood. It's time to find some vampires to expedite the harvest. Morcilla is on the menu.
~ 38 minutes ~
20:43 * asciilifeform tested, for good measure, pipe, 100% stone-dead, incl. uy1.
20:53 asciilifeform wb mp_en_viaje
20:53 mp_en_viaje heya
20:54 mp_en_viaje o noes, original logger still dead ?
20:54 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i rec to eat log ( via diana_coman or lobbes ) in 1stpass
20:54 asciilifeform logger aint the only thing that's dead.
20:54 mp_en_viaje im doin' just that.
20:54 asciilifeform ty mp_en_viaje
20:58 mp_en_viaje meanwhile apropos of nothing, https://i.pinimg.com/736x/72/11/52/7211525863efabfe9f1b7bb3c2b91842--human-cow-cow-girl.jpg
20:58 asciilifeform ty again mp_en_viaje , needed 1 of these .
21:00 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 << she was gonna, but then... SHE DIDNT HAVE WHERE
21:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 11:40:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
21:00 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
21:01 mp_en_viaje my whore spent a day crying in linz station. she'd also have penned a piece, who knows, mayhap master reads ? but, blog unavailable.
21:01 mp_en_viaje by now the pile of fucked things is pretty consistent.
21:02 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: plox to eat that 1stpass. nuffing's available.
21:02 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941292 << the 8 were hers not yours tho.
21:02 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 11:41:27 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!!
21:03 asciilifeform ^ entirely tru. but whothefuq even does ddos for ~anyone~ with 8 ? and how would these even be detectable as ddoslike.
21:04 mp_en_viaje i dunno such detection happened, dude was asked weird q, sent over a capture, "closest item to what you ask for". at least was my read.
21:04 asciilifeform entirely possib
21:04 mp_en_viaje i did ~same, discussed as such, last night.
21:04 asciilifeform aha
21:04 mp_en_viaje "o, look, i got '''ddos''' graphs also".
21:04 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941296 << wait, how did you reason ?
21:04 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 11:48:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
21:04 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
21:04 ericbot Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!'
21:05 mp_en_viaje in my book you were the boss, he worked for you.
21:06 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: he took the job ( with encouragement of mp_en_viaje et al )
21:06 ericbot Logged on 2019-08-24 13:05:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and remember that yer the current chairman. dun let yerself get incapacitated, asciilifeform is not expert in chairmaning , but someone has to actually fucking steer the thing, or we're sunk, irons or no irons
21:06 mp_en_viaje can has link to said encouragement then ?
21:06 asciilifeform asciilifeform, formally , is technical vizier, responsible for creation, maintenance, and sometimes emplacement, of irons.
21:06 mp_en_viaje this is new to me.
21:07 asciilifeform where accepted
21:07 ericbot Logged on 2018-07-15 15:28:56 mod6: In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted the position as Pizarro Manager, and officially will take over in this role after the August Statement is published in the first few days of September. Congrats to BingoBoingo!
21:07 mp_en_viaje oh ?
21:07 mp_en_viaje i guess i've not been paying close enough attention to this then.
21:08 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2018-07-13#1834407 thrd.
21:08 ericbot Logged on 2018-07-13 22:36:05 mircea_popescu: 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh
21:08 asciilifeform ^ where nominated.
21:09 mp_en_viaje nfi why i ended up with the idea he worked for you.
21:09 asciilifeform because at one time he did.
21:09 mp_en_viaje aite, well. evidently i wasn't watching all that closely. good there's a record.
21:09 asciilifeform agonizingly detailed record.
21:10 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941301 << so do you feel monotonically worse since we met ?
21:10 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 11:53:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941253 << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long.
21:10 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
21:10 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: yes, but given that asciilifeform aint a gurl, it has 0 impact on operations.
21:10 asciilifeform i aint in the biz to 'feel better', ftr.
21:11 asciilifeform if i wanted 'feel better', i know where the dope dealers live.
21:11 mp_en_viaje so basically bingo was manager since last year, quietly "managed" "as best could", namely...
21:12 asciilifeform loudly. erry fart is in the logs.
21:12 asciilifeform ( which imho is as it should be )
21:14 asciilifeform observe the chronology; at the time of asciilifeform's expedition, management still formally consisted of mod6 & ben_vulpes.
21:14 mp_en_viaje you know, something is starting to come into focus. basically, republic is very effectual slut shredder. it massively attracts this sort of pleaser, who really really wants to be good. and then... ends up with tasks. and the tasks are... well... not actually designed, but simply what needs to be done. and sooner or later but sure as you'd like, the poor slut is on [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/drei-hacken-36-56
21:14 mp_en_viaje 0x840.jpg][the rack].
21:17 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: some amt of this is prolly not escapable in a mission like piz, which consisted largely of reconnaissance-by-fire. but yes this is likely the cardinal sin of ~erryone
21:18 mp_en_viaje fundamental problem with any attempt at management is that you either discuss failure, or else BECOME failure. it's inescapable.
21:18 mp_en_viaje but slut never wants to delineate failure, because in part well hammered into skull that "this isn't what pleasing is" through social milieu of ~shit ; and in part because just comes naturally.
21:19 mp_en_viaje mix these two together, get things like we see.
21:21 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
21:22 mp_en_viaje eh, anyone's entitled to a day of thinking thinks through, what.
21:23 asciilifeform asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
21:24 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941311 << here's the problem : if every time some dork puts out 10k packets / 10 minutes the "isp" turns off an ip for a whole day, the piddly packet pissant is being amplified 24 * 6 = 144 by the "isp"
21:24 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:32 asciilifeform: unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole.
21:24 mp_en_viaje ie, this isn't ddos, it's ispdos.
21:24 asciilifeform ^
21:25 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: this was multilayer shit sandwich -- turned out the pipe was so threadbare, that even just the mini-ddos was enuff to make it ~unusable
21:25 asciilifeform then, then, 'ispddos'.
21:25 mp_en_viaje it's really no great philosophy to put out something like that, can prolly be done on ~free by finding say a weak pw wifi
21:25 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: no one (at least not asciilifeform) was marvelling at the magnitude of the ddos or the ingenuity of the shooter
21:26 mp_en_viaje in fact, by this standard trilema can leisurely ddos whoever the fuck.
21:26 mp_en_viaje d^Hispdos i mean
21:27 * asciilifeform still suspects that there wasn't even ~this~ ddos -- e.g. phuctor erry day got hrs of 1000+/reqs/sec from idjit search engines, not only pipe but even ~it~ never fell
21:27 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941312 << regularly these aren't even attacks, just monumentally ill set up spamatrons and the like. i linked examples, dude buys "out of the box" "solution", installs on "beefiest server available", has nfi what he's doing.
21:27 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:57 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
21:27 asciilifeform they're playing fucking games
21:27 mp_en_viaje where was phuctor again ?
21:27 asciilifeform dulap
21:27 asciilifeform same place as logger
21:28 asciilifeform dulap also served e.g. the rk example image, 2.5GB, downloaded by lotsa people w/ no ill effect on pipe
21:28 mp_en_viaje all this at pizarro then ?
21:29 asciilifeform yes!
21:29 asciilifeform asciilifeform operates exactly 1 machine at piz, dulap, under banner of snsa, since the asciilifeform expedition flight when was installed.
21:29 mp_en_viaje o wait, my plaintext ip address is being ddosed!!!
21:29 mp_en_viaje hm, no, nope, false alarm :D
21:29 asciilifeform lol
21:29 mp_en_viaje keks.
21:30 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i've been tryin' to get mine in that ddos hopper since fri
21:30 asciilifeform no dice so far
21:30 asciilifeform let's reset it, lol, again...
21:31 mp_en_viaje i had just loaded a webpage and got excited.
21:31 asciilifeform a.
21:31 mp_en_viaje O LOOK MARGE!!! THEMS BYTES!!!
21:31 mp_en_viaje /sarcasm
21:34 asciilifeform baitbot is a working logger btw (on the latest patch). just aint of any practical use, it's a fire magnet is all.
21:35 asciilifeform ( cuz asciilifeform's torture room, unlike evidently uruguay, is set up for pcap etc )
21:38 mp_en_viaje well, here's the secret : usually 0-ips aren't allocated, because... umm... people run loggers and things on those.
21:39 mp_en_viaje so... yeah, whatever, if you operate your own ip space you should always have the damned thing at the ready.
21:40 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941342 << umm... not usually how this works, is it.
21:40 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 12:15:33 asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq.
21:40 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it was in fact 'ready to fire' on dulap , but not kept running eternally (a tcpdump of ERRYTHING slows box to a crawl and will eat yer ssd in ~week)
21:40 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, afaik usually set to headers only, and yeah generally not ssd but spinners set for it.
21:41 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: spinner is substantially slower than the firehose from where cometh. but yes normally one does headers-only.
21:42 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941343 << not to bring a crass hickup to the choir here, but iirc you were paying a month about what my hotel costs / night ? it's not precisely maxint, not that i'm proposing anyone merits no value for money or anything like that.
21:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 12:16:36 asciilifeform: or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?!
21:43 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: yer hotel costs 2+k usbux / night ? impressive.
21:43 asciilifeform ( didja rent entire hotel ?! rather than room ? )
21:46 mp_en_viaje eh wth.
21:46 asciilifeform i've never been in a 2100/night hotel. must be quite sumthing.
21:55 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, here : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ho-tel.jpg
21:55 mp_en_viaje now divide the slut herd by two, add one for me, multiply result by whatever eur:usd is these days and... there you go.
21:56 asciilifeform hrm seems to redir to antispam
21:56 mp_en_viaje curl -e "http://trilema.com"
21:56 asciilifeform but i entirely believe that it is possible
21:57 * asciilifeform loaded, sees 379 e / night for the max highend item .
21:58 mp_en_viaje what's a room gonna do ?
21:58 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms.
21:58 mp_en_viaje well, i don't sleep with the womenz, for one thing.
21:58 asciilifeform right
21:58 asciilifeform so 1 for mp_en_viaje , 1 for pet 1+2, 1 for 3
21:59 asciilifeform but i have nfi and will believe .
21:59 mp_en_viaje but be all that as it may -- while certainly a respectable sum, by any measure, maxint it is not.
21:59 mp_en_viaje not that it should be or anything. but hysteria self-lathering also doesn't help anything, how shall i put this, tryna walk the line here.
21:59 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it's a considerable sum for cage even in usa, fwiw.
21:59 mp_en_viaje yes, you definitely should receive value for money.
22:00 asciilifeform i haven't tried the germanies and etc. but know the prices here.
22:03 mp_en_viaje so, to circle back to it : it is conceivable that management may not immediately drop anything and cook a pot roast for you at their family home.
22:03 mp_en_viaje that has no bearing on how... well... they'd better fucking run their affairs such that they don't need to, either.
22:05 asciilifeform we're 1 rack, of perhaps 20 that had any occupants. so equiv. to passenger on a bus where 20 riders. nevertheless if driver of bus throws a paying passenger from window, this is to be paid for, notwithstanding that he is only 1 of 20 and paid only 1/20th of what was in the till.
22:05 asciilifeform the passenger may not have expectation to 'pot roast', but imho is justified in expectation of not flying from window.
22:05 mp_en_viaje but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
22:06 asciilifeform well so far sent him to get barrister (sumthing that really oughta have been done aeons ago) rather than petrol.
22:07 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, i am at no juncture proposing that you shouldn't get what you paid for. i am however disputing the somewhat ill considered view whereby the reasonable escalation for your sandwich coming out wrong is calling the cops.
22:07 asciilifeform well so far we're a reseller of sandwich and in latest incoming crate they're fulla maggots.
22:07 mp_en_viaje i seem to remember lawyer was on the original list of requisites he didn't get, back in the day. understand how this works : either you have ~from before~, or you... well, do not use.
22:07 mp_en_viaje thats how this works.
22:08 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: what wouldja have him do ?
22:08 asciilifeform asciilifeform fwiw is following the 'what learned from mp_en_viaje' notebook.
22:10 mp_en_viaje i'm not against his trying, but i am encouraging you to moderate your expectations. if he couldn't find legal support when he didn't need it, how likely is it he'll find it now ?
22:10 asciilifeform latech wrecked piz. (i find it difficult to picture that will be 'un-wrecked') . what would mp_en_viaje do in such case ? there's a clearly identifiable party in breach of (even orcish) contract .
22:10 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: i dun have high expectations.
22:10 mp_en_viaje very similar to getting laid : if you couldn't make any female friends in general, how likely is it you'll make some while holding your erection ?
22:10 asciilifeform Bingo seems to be in agreement w/ asciilifeform's direction, 'fight way out of encirclement while you still have ammo'
22:11 mp_en_viaje in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
22:12 asciilifeform iirc BB actually tried at onset, found his lang skill insufficient at that juncture.
22:12 asciilifeform but i'ma let him answer when comes back.
22:14 mp_en_viaje understand something : the very absurdist style of unbounded exaggeration currently fashionable is quite unhelpful in crisis situations. all it practically does is stress out the crew.
22:14 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-06 08:53:05 mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesn’t poke a fuckin’ hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin’ takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once she’s done. As far as I k
22:15 asciilifeform woah, mp_en_viaje concerned with stress of crew ?!!! ~nao~ i must ask, mp_en_viaje are you mp_en_viaje right nao or is hanbot filling in at console ( check out, also forgot that phuctor lived in dulap ? ) plox to fess up!111
22:16 mp_en_viaje yes, it's bad that pizarro-upstream link is via email through indian call center. but the solution to this bad is not "afterwards, send someone to manager's home, in a clown car". the solution is in the past : should've made better contacts.
22:17 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, wait, she's the nicer one of us ?!
22:17 mp_en_viaje but no, it's actually me.
22:17 * asciilifeform will buy
22:17 mp_en_viaje nor can anyone else log into trilema to upload pics, for that matter.
22:17 * asciilifeform will also buy
22:18 mp_en_viaje i dunno if i'm getting my point across here.
22:21 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: was the point strictly that asciilifeform's output to BB, low snr , and needlessly stresses crew ? or that he oughta be doing something else than where i sent him ? or both ? neither ?
22:22 mp_en_viaje the former, i read something about maxint, something about flamethrower, then something about ~stalking some randos that don't even know you...
22:22 mp_en_viaje what is this, a comedy show ?
22:24 asciilifeform latech was eating the lion's share of piz operating cost. and delivering, as turned out, pipe made of wet tissue. finally said tissue dissolves. BingoBoingo goes on careful fact-finding, finds monkeys making monkey noises re 'wait a month, maybe we'll fix' . can call comedy, tragicomedy, whichever.
22:25 mp_en_viaje i was discussing your output, not that.
22:26 asciilifeform asciilifeform is operating already outta the green on his tachometer and perhaps oughta stfu, unless mp_en_viaje or BB have specific qs today.
22:26 mp_en_viaje you told him to do three things (incomprehensible, i thought he was the manager) none of which he can safely do or are liable to help anything if done.
22:26 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: sitting still also not 'safe to do'
22:26 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, alternatively you could you know, just take a chill pill, keep talking like normal.
22:27 asciilifeform aite, i'ma get some air, brb
22:27 mp_en_viaje there's nothing wrong with blowing off some steam, but why direct it at him.
22:35 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.
22:35 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
22:35 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
22:35 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941360 << i ain't got the resoruces to multi-derp this. one shot, pass or fail, and ideally pass.
22:35 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 13:09:47 lobbes: not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well
22:36 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941361 << night time spider byte ?
22:36 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 13:14:48 lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
22:49 mp_en_viaje o hai BingoBoingo
22:50 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941400 << top keks of all time, go to uruguay to "non-nato", end up plugged into ~equiv of sysco.
22:50 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
22:51 BingoBoingo I am back. Nothing lit on fire. Now for mission report.
22:51 BingoBoingo http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941621 << I will be sitting down with them tomorrow. I've been knocking doors to see if there's a hungrier, more aggressive model.
22:51 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 18:11:00 mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
22:52 BingoBoingo asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
22:52 BingoBoingo This datacenter mission I did get a chance to talk to Oscar alone. He was more informative without Maxi present. Pressed on whether Joaquim and other named folks I was acustomed to dealing with were still employed by Latecho he responded in the negative. Oscar also showed me his whatsapp conversations where he was begging with upstream folks. This supports the morning's hypothesis Latecho recently decerebrated while installing a bunch
22:52 BingoBoingo of fancy new cages.
22:53 BingoBoingo http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941537 << I don't know about lifetime, but some sort of produtive, structured penance is in order. I do feel much less despondent after making two adult age males go pale.
22:53 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 17:21:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
22:53 BingoBoingo http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941608 << I am convinced burning it down will do nothing other than incur more costs.
22:53 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 18:05:45 mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
22:54 mp_en_viaje in principle, there's strictly no defense from "partner sold out to sysco, new "careerwoman" dumb cunt installed in charge of it wrecked it". hapened to hp, can happen to you.
22:54 * BingoBoingo to start scheduling auditions
22:54 mp_en_viaje for as long as usg.dubaloo still deemed money, such nonsense can occur.
23:00 BingoBoingo ISPddOs aside, Latecho does not appear to be anywhere near as healthy as they were when I arrived. The sales manager was on airconditioner duty. I strongly suspect the Freezone conversation happened through the intercom because they didn't want to reveal their falta de recursos humanos.
23:00 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941414 < you know, it may not all be about you. conceivably.
23:00 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 14:53:03 asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
23:01 BingoBoingo Their problems seem to go beyond their ability to serve us.
23:01 mp_en_viaje from what i've been reading
23:03 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941420 << well, the whole personel turnover thing is rather characteristic of imploded tech co, yes.
23:03 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 14:57:58 asciilifeform: it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt.
23:05 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941430 << i think your ideas as to how "roman law" systems work in ex spanish colonies are ... a little off kilter.
23:05 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 15:07:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
23:06 mp_en_viaje the majority of the leverage there was the public shaming ; if ~bankrupt that's not much leverage.
23:12 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941439 << i... i jsut can't even. this thing became painful to read.
23:12 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 15:21:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
23:14 BingoBoingo The courts here do handle evictions far more quickly than across the river. Other than the former tax shelter reasons Argentines prefer property ownership in Uruguay because the courts do move (speed may vary when a Soviet monopoly is involved). Following some sit downs I hope to have a better picture on the chance to recover something, but I do want redundancy here. I've learned at least that much.
23:16 mp_en_viaje nothing wrong with that.
23:18 mp_en_viaje i expect the roadmap asciilifeform paints (sue in uy, win, actually get paid, use proceeds to produce euro isp) is unlikely, if nothing else then because dockets routinely run multi-month in civil court, appeals are common, expense while not maxint also not trivial, and failure to pay civil judgements in corporate world a regular occurence.
23:18 BingoBoingo Based on the new enclosed aisle, I suspect there is the possibility there aren't entirely bankrupt. They may be ineptly pivoting to dumb provision of space for local heathen caches.
23:19 mp_en_viaje possibly.
23:20 * asciilifeform back
23:20 mp_en_viaje i entirely see no problem with you continuiong on this course, as a training exercise, for you. i do not have the expectation it will make money, your case is not actually that strong.
23:21 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it isn't that asciilifeform is convinced 'oh we'll win a suit and roll in dough' but that i haven't other constructive idea. ( to tell BingoBoingo 'hey get 2wks head start on rabbits and drinking to death' imho not constructive. )
23:21 mp_en_viaje "your honor, we rented a fucktoy" "when ?" "two years ago" "and ?" "last month it sprung a leak" turns to other party, "what do you have to say ?" "fuck them" turns back to you "okay... and what do you want ?" "we want money" "how's last month's sound ?" "umm" "so ordered"
23:22 mp_en_viaje at his point you have a civil judgement worth what was it, TWO nights hotel stay, and whatever legal fees. and now have to get it fulfilled, will need to find an executor or w/e, sheriff.
23:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If I planned to drink to death, I wouldn't have done a moral inventory last night.
23:23 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: to picture for a moment that the action were in 'civilized' rather than orcistani court -- if warehouse springs leak, and rain pours through it for week, and five customer's worth of wheat dissolves, i expect > 'month' would be owed.
23:23 mp_en_viaje no argument, if you know all the tricks of the trade six months down the road yo ucan sit down to a juicy aged angus steak out of their money.
23:23 mp_en_viaje but...
23:23 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, you have to read more commercial contracts.
23:23 mp_en_viaje if fire in hotel burns down my stashes of euros in the hotel safe, they're not liable.
23:24 mp_en_viaje notwithstanding its their fucking safe for the express purpose etcetera.
23:24 asciilifeform well in usa, matters even moar simple , dun even need to read that the fella with the weightier bank balance is 'innocent' and the 1 with the lighter -- 'liable', ~100% of the time
23:24 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, people who drink to death rarely plan to.
23:25 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: I am familiar with that as well.
23:26 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: there's a lulzy era1 thread where asciilifeform had to, for salt mine reasons, lease a bank box, and read the contract..
23:26 mp_en_viaje anyway, the reason i mentioned that yest was as a pressure tactic, not as a revenue generator.
23:26 mp_en_viaje it doesn't seem, taking BingoBoingo 's description at face value, that pressure's likely to deliver much.
23:27 mp_en_viaje either because indeed, some ustard bought them out, thinking to cut down 90% of expense ie personnel and keep 50% of income by moving away from dc business to netflix cache
23:27 mp_en_viaje or because whatever, owner had aneurysm, looted corp payroll and ran off to hooklandia
23:27 mp_en_viaje or for any other reason -- dead horse will trot no miles.
23:29 mp_en_viaje but in principle this is not actionable, in any practical case not very far, where "i bought milk each day from milk shop" "And ?" "now it wants to sell out, become dildo shop" "so ?" "so wherre do i get my milk ?".
23:29 mp_en_viaje all sort & manner of tards keep trying this tack, resulting in "anti-gentrification" and assorted bla bla, but it is a seed born dead.
23:29 asciilifeform if they simply closed down, would then match this description. but instead started delivering milk that's 50% baccilae
23:30 mp_en_viaje seems to me your ips are in fact closed down.
23:30 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: without a 'we terminated yer contract as of thursday' to go with it, tho
23:31 mp_en_viaje true enough. whic hyes, leaves some room. but it'll not make you significant dough in context.
23:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo when last paid'em ?
23:31 mp_en_viaje possibly most important thing right now is to image all customer data.
23:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Last bolus went to them early september
23:31 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not to mention iirc there was a security deposit
23:31 mp_en_viaje because if tomorrow you also can't get into cage, and anyone's not got bakcups, you'll have a much worse problem.
23:31 asciilifeform which they owe .
23:31 asciilifeform and yes, as mp_en_viaje said.
23:32 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ?
23:32 mp_en_viaje do you have some offsite backup scheme in place, asks mp, fully dreading the obvious "um...." answer.
23:32 mp_en_viaje as thing stand i can't think of one.
23:32 * asciilifeform does , but cannot speak for others
23:32 asciilifeform backups that is
23:32 mp_en_viaje not like you can't put it back in, at moderate cost
23:32 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, not " asciilifeform as asciilifeform ". pizarro as pizarro.
23:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo seems already bought the wheelbarrow.
23:33 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: all piz-specific soft afaik is backed up .
23:33 mp_en_viaje ...
23:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo anything i'm missing on this score ?
23:33 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: Aite, tonight I will grab user data and databases off of the shared server.
23:33 mp_en_viaje are you deliberately thick or just naturally ?
23:33 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: piz aint a tea&lemons provider, customers RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN BACKUPS
23:33 mp_en_viaje yes. and you think this is a reason to not do it ?
23:33 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ? << Because it tips the hand. If you want to litigate...
23:34 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: go then, to backup.
23:34 mp_en_viaje BingoBoingo, who the fuck's gonna notice, receptionist girly ?
23:34 mp_en_viaje from your story everyone too busy doing the plumbing with own hands.
23:34 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the stock of spare ssds should suffice to grab errything.
23:35 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: At this hour no one. I will go and grab backups.
23:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lemme know if you need helping hand (tho will be limited in what i can do w/out a working pipe straight to machines.)
23:35 mp_en_viaje why limited ? you could indicate which local houses to burn down from the flamethrowing helisub.
23:35 asciilifeform lol
23:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plox to plug a ssd into dulap when yer done. grab in the morning. ( would like a fresh copy if possible )
23:37 asciilifeform or grr nm
23:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I know. Once things are collected I will need a working ftp server somewhere to park customer data GPG tarballs.
23:37 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: shut down dulap & pocket the drives.
23:38 asciilifeform (dun fughet to label'em)
23:38 BingoBoingo Will label everything I take out.
23:38 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo .
23:39 asciilifeform drives imho oughta be evacuated (1st to BingoBoingo's flat, then, at option of customers, fedex) prior to and posted separately from machines per se.
23:39 mp_en_viaje well, we can get one in moldavia
23:40 asciilifeform for instance.
23:42 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941454 << the ganged ac thing was a lulzy epic story
23:42 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 15:38:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry.
23:42 mp_en_viaje can sneak some pics at all ?
23:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I would like to wait for customer instructions on how they would like their drives handled before pulling everything.
23:42 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941658 << i was aboutta ask !! holyshit, where did they put the hot exhaust ?
23:42 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 21:51:46 BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
23:42 asciilifeform straight back into the hall ?!
23:42 BingoBoingo mp_en_viaje: At this point I don't see why not.
23:42 mp_en_viaje hit it then.
23:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It looks like they exhausted to the parking garage
23:43 asciilifeform through what? door propped with brick?!
23:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well... door propped open with prop
23:43 asciilifeform i dun recall seeing arrowslits reserved for konsoomer window ac in there
23:43 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941455 << i dunno why this is so dramatique all the time. not like we didn't know you two have no fucking clue what you're doing going in.
23:43 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 15:39:30 asciilifeform: ( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add )
23:43 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-06 14:10:13 asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ?
23:43 asciilifeform lol!
23:43 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: fairnuff
23:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i dun recall seeing arrowslits reserved for konsoomer window ac in there << Consumer standup portable A/C
23:44 asciilifeform wow.
23:44 mp_en_viaje you know, the WARMERS
23:44 BingoBoingo Plugs into exhaust tube
23:45 BingoBoingo Aite, back to the dungeon.
23:48 asciilifeform http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941653 << funnily , 1 of the places asciilifeform wanted to try parking dulap in '17 , was a (largely empty) telco exchange 2km from house. reputedly, gives a locking rebar cage for <1.5k/m . and in the heart of the beast. the thing, i suspect if had done this, it'd still be there, working..
23:48 ericbot Logged on 2019-10-07 21:49:37 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941400 << top keks of all time, go to uruguay to "non-nato", end up plugged into ~equiv of sysco.
23:48 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
23:49 mp_en_viaje and how much for the pipe ?
23:49 asciilifeform ( never went even as far as asciilifeform getting through door, cuz landed in a snake pit of 'maximilianos' each of whom claimed 'oh noez this dc is nao owned by X' for 3 circling values of x )
23:49 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: pipe incl. iirc 1Gb/s.
23:49 asciilifeform but this was a dud.
23:49 mp_en_viaje understand the weakness in these "still be there" : a month ago, you were complaining pizarro pipe is too stable. these things are always fine until not anymore, and never before.
23:49 asciilifeform this applies to errything.
23:49 asciilifeform old man's heart ticks until not.
23:50 mp_en_viaje right.
23:51 mp_en_viaje anyway, to set a matter of record straight : it is not ~necessarily~ the case oscar is lying re "dedicado"->centurylink. that's why man on the ground / contacts beats remote in these things. there's half a dozen way the peering data can be fudged into unreliability
23:53 mp_en_viaje http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941458 << it's incomprehensible to me why you compare these two as such. it almost reads as if you imagine some dude in moldavia somehow captured packets on YOUR interface in uruguay at diana's request and then misrepresented it to her as her own. wtf ?!
23:53 ossabot Logged on 2019-10-07 15:40:45 BingoBoingo: Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands.
23:54 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: it's unproven, but imho not baseless, theory, that both were targeted using same net
23:54 mp_en_viaje "i went to herpetologist for my snake and my cousin went to hematologist for her blood, and my snake's tooth count came way smaller than her platelets. wtf medicine is a scam"
23:55 mp_en_viaje asciilifeform, it's deeply unlikely, seeing how... by the same logic your fuckbot was also targetted by same net.
23:55 mp_en_viaje so thousands, 8, 0 ? wtf set of data is this.
23:55 asciilifeform lesse whether mp_en_viaje still holds this pos, when there's >1 tmsr box in that moldavia and it gets 1tb/s sustained.
23:55 mp_en_viaje is the idea pizarro boxes were hit with 1tb/s for a while ?
23:55 asciilifeform nfi
23:56 mp_en_viaje then why not 1pb/s ?
23:56 asciilifeform it is impossible, from the shit drippings coming from latech, to say
23:56 asciilifeform point is that there's no actual limit to these
23:56 mp_en_viaje i don't understand what you;re saying.
23:56 asciilifeform that ddos of almost arbitrary size is comparatively cheap, vs the defense.
23:57 mp_en_viaje do we by "the defense" mean not giving a shit, or do we by "the defense" mean nullrooting ips ?
23:57 asciilifeform meant, actual defense .
23:57 asciilifeform where you can carry on to sit and notgiveashit.
23:57 mp_en_viaje i recall at least one instance where trilema was down and my defense of not giving a shit for a week or so came remarkably cheap to me.
23:57 mp_en_viaje cca 2015 maybe ?
23:58 asciilifeform incidentally quite respectably sized chumpnet was recently abruptly changed owner.
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23:58 mp_en_viaje sadly... i can't read it.
23:59 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/0NcnD
23:59 mp_en_viaje a ty
23:59 mp_en_viaje watrevs, 5 machines dun figure in anything.
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