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03:48 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911451 <-- ftr, this is sorta how thetarpit currently works, tho the "spit out html" step in this loop is (for now) human-operated
03:48 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 15:06 mp_en_viaje: if lisp-o-tron spits out html files and apache delivers them, this will be web-fast
03:50 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911470 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911582 <-- lulz, went in that area but didn't notice the place. found other "cultural layers" tho, with e.g. vomit on top of old clothes on top of bottles on top of ... will post some soon.
03:50 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 16:11 asciilifeform: btw, for thread-completeness strictly, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cultural_layer_1.jpg , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cultural_layer_2.jpg .
03:50 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 19:09 asciilifeform: extra upstack lulz, re 'cultural layer' : google helpfully informs that it has thickened !
03:54 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911562 <-- I will give hunchentoot a second look as well, in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911437
03:54 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 17:44 lobbes_field: As such, I'll start poking around at mod_lisp, et al. Will report back
03:54 a111 Logged on 2019-05-06 15:00 phf: mp_en_viaje: it's the shitsoup ecosystem, there's a handful of packages smartly written, like hunchentoot or cl-http, and then there's new wave of cffi-everything approaches, that stand tall and pretend to be people
03:56 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-07#1911649 <-- re beaches, sq km of sandy shore relative to sea opening. tho I wouldn't be surprised if turkey had more total, afaik their black sea shores are mostly rocks.
03:56 a111 Logged on 2019-05-07 21:09 mp_en_viaje: spyked, chock-full. though it's unclear to me how you reason re "having beaches", and in any case the fucking of eastern girls was more the 90s than the 70s.
03:57 mp_en_viaje turkey is afaik the ~only contender to cr substitute beaches this side of the world.
03:57 spyked re fucking eastern girls, I wouldn't know myself, but my sources (people who worked in the hotel industry at the time) say that plenty of it happened. but more in the 90s, sure.
03:57 mp_en_viaje but not in mediteranean ; they have nice mediteranean beaches.
03:59 mp_en_viaje spyked, people like to pretend. have you ever seen http://trilema.com/2016/e-pericoloso-sporgersi/ ? exactly representative of 80s "fucking like rabbits", "ma stii pe mine -- punct ochit, punc tlovit" etcetera.
03:59 mp_en_viaje nobody was fucking anyone ; and if it wasn't for the us that invented fucking via porn in the 90s, nobody would be fucking anyone today, either.
04:03 spyked on the other hand, why go to neptun and not, say, nice, other than "romania, nice country, beautiful girls"
04:04 spyked (in the 70s-80s I mean; neptun's a ghost town nowadays)
04:05 mp_en_viaje well, watching girls in bikinis. honestly i think most men would much prefer hanging out with a bunch of scantily clad girls they're not fucking than actually have lots of sex.
04:05 mp_en_viaje i have come to suspect the ideal arrangement for the average male is having a house with a pool in a sunny climate and a ~17 yo daughter who has a lot of sleepovers.
04:06 mp_en_viaje best of both worlds, perpetually surrounded by adolescent cunt, never expected to give it what for, nobody else likely to trespass and do it for you...
04:07 mp_en_viaje certainly accounts for the jewish princess pheronomenon.
~ 44 minutes ~
04:52 mp_en_viaje meanwhile in "where the fuck IS everyone" lulz, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Ragnagna/8089198/1997969519/4fu5ak-004-wdjeb1t.jpg
04:55 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/this-is-the-biggest-mess-this-kitchens-ever-seen/ << Trilema -- "This is the biggest mess this kitchen's ever seen!!!"
~ 7 hours 20 minutes ~
12:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-09#1912142 << in 1721 a (wooden, pedalled) submarine was demoed in front of peter 1. he also asked 'how far can it go.' paid to build coupla moar. eventually unimpressed and demoted the builder to ordinary shipyard carpenter.
12:15 a111 Logged on 2019-05-09 00:44 mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built.
12:16 mp_en_viaje aha.
12:16 asciilifeform https://static.kulturologia.ru/files/u20225/202255783.jpg << subj (reconstructed) .
12:16 mp_en_viaje amusingly enough, one ~could~ actually build air pumps and air pressure tanks out of wooden tech. so in principle pre-industrialization world could have had useful sub.
12:17 mp_en_viaje the problem is one of pathway -- neither can be DISCOVERED on wood.
12:17 asciilifeform not only could, but did
12:17 mp_en_viaje now, that we discovered them on metal, can retrofit. but at the time... did they ?
12:17 asciilifeform but it worked approx as well as current-day 'thinking comp'
12:18 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: counter-intuitively, problem wasn't the wood (they weren't trying to, nor needed, to go kilometer under water, but only below where can be seen from victim vessel)
12:18 asciilifeform problem was the flexible seal around the oars
12:18 asciilifeform had to be leather, no rubber yet.
12:18 asciilifeform leather sucks as wet seal.
12:18 asciilifeform same thing that sank the 1700s air rifle from older thread.
12:19 mp_en_viaje ~everything besides rubber sucks for that i guess.
12:19 asciilifeform indeed
12:20 mp_en_viaje see, here's wjhat i don't understand : why oar ? should have had closely fitted rod powering a propeller of some sort, and have a reverse spiral carved at the fitting juncture
12:20 mp_en_viaje so that the spinning pushes the water out, like archimede's screw
12:21 asciilifeform propeller has same problem. funnily enuff enuff, even today wood is used for the seal, but needs ~dozen metres of length, hence bigger vessel
12:21 a111 Logged on 2019-04-15 22:21 asciilifeform: interestingly, the connection b/w great ships and serious wood , is not entirely gone in modern time -- sov type 636 submarine has shaft bearing from lignum vitae
12:21 asciilifeform ~could~ have been built in 1700s, with propeller and lignum vitae. but would've required scaled up vessel, and, as the smaller ones failed -- not built.
12:22 asciilifeform 'quantity has quality of its own'(tm)(r)
12:22 asciilifeform pretty typical , imho, 'lisp machine' situation.
12:23 mp_en_viaje i guess so.
12:23 mp_en_viaje lotta retrospectively-theoretically-available techs in this vein, really.
12:25 asciilifeform aha. and among these, quite a few like this, where the Right Thing was not found specifically cuz it was not available at the ~scale~ of the demo model.
~ 16 minutes ~
12:41 BingoBoingo !!pay-invoice PeterL 3
12:42 BingoBoingo !!pay-invoice PeterL 3
12:42 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/v0WGF/?raw=true
12:43 BingoBoingo !!v C8E14B987B3D874316C9CFD50D858671C0311C36071AC702B61CFFABB6BEF77A
12:43 deedbot BingoBoingo paid PeterL invoice 3
~ 17 minutes ~
13:00 billymg BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/05/dying-of-the-light-in-detroit-new-led-streetlights-approaching-systemic-failure/ << should the first sentence read "...newly installed LED streetlights are displaying signs of end of life wear..."?
13:02 BingoBoingo billymg: tyvm
13:02 billymg np!
13:03 * billymg is happy to report he's made it safely to tx
13:05 BingoBoingo Very nice. Wearing a six shooter on your hip yet?
13:07 billymg not yet unfortunately
13:08 BingoBoingo Kinda thought that would've been in the welcome basket
13:08 billymg lol
13:10 billymg still taking care of the tedious chores and whatnot of relocating, but operating with a much elevated mood
13:12 BingoBoingo six shooter, brisket, unseemly thick toast, and a welcome to the neighborhood
13:13 asciilifeform seems like this makes... 3? trinque , ben_vulpes , billymg .. in tx
13:13 asciilifeform oughta meet in a dusty spittoon saloon somehere.
13:20 * billymg would certainly not be opposed
~ 1 hours 9 minutes ~
14:29 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/05/tor-using-usg-whistleblower-hit-with-charges-after-leaking-to-omidyars-rag-yet-again/ << Qntra -- Tor Using USG WhistleBlower Hit With Charges After Leaking To Omidyar's Rag (Yet Again)
14:29 BingoBoingo ^ Another "Reality Winner" type capture
14:39 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local Pantsuit campaign stunts: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Martinez-encaro-a-un-hombre-que-le-grito-en-un-acto-politico-Terminaron-en-paz-uc717774
~ 48 minutes ~
15:27 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/05/berlin-park-workers-reserve-spaces-for-asylum-seeking-drug-dealers/ << Qntra -- Berlin: Park Workers Reserve Spaces For Asylum Seeking Drug Dealers
~ 1 hours 59 minutes ~
17:27 BingoBoingo Meanwhile in local poverty https://www.infobae.com/america/america-latina/2019/05/09/cayo-monica-sosa-la-mujer-que-buscaba-recuperar-a-balazos-contra-su-familia-el-control-de-la-principal-banda-criminal-del-uruguay/
~ 17 minutes ~
17:44 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/05/usg-cuts-electricity-to-venezuelan-embassy-in-dc/ << Qntra -- USG Cuts Electricity To Venezuelan Embassy In DC
~ 41 minutes ~
18:26 mp_en_viaje pretty lulzy, they can't cut power to bum dwellings even
~ 15 minutes ~
18:41 mp_en_viaje in other insane wtf : i'm going through the paperwork of caradgea voivod (1818s, "tara romaneasca"). supposedly the public expenditure that year was 8`473`137 thalers (of which, post maintenance, over one sixth).
18:42 mp_en_viaje now, the thaler is a german silver coin, 22.2 grams of 3/4 silver. meaning the romanian principality expended that year > 140 tons of silver, something like 280 MILLION pounds sterling.
18:46 mp_en_viaje meanwhile re the british imperial budget of 1816 was in that year reported to the earl of liverpool as "the immense sum of 14mn sterlin gper annum"
18:47 mp_en_viaje literally, "And let it be recollected with triumphant pride by every true Briton, that this has taken place in the concluding years of a war of unexampled duration and unequalled expence ; when twenty-two years of continued hostilities had swelled the expenditure of the country to the enormous amount of 14,000,000 sterling per annum ; and when the salvation of Europe had been effected by the unremitting fortitude and perseverance of this nation in
18:47 mp_en_viaje the support of burthens which no other people could have borne for a tenth part of the time."
18:47 mp_en_viaje well... apparently one of the two romanian principalities was bearing twenty times that much ?!
18:48 mp_en_viaje something's definitely amiss here (and no, the whole phanariote period did not see in excess of 100 tons of silver, holy hell.)
~ 16 minutes ~
19:05 hanbot 2 lb to the kg, so in 140 tons then 300k or so pounds
19:10 mp_en_viaje oh, right, right.
19:14 mp_en_viaje still seems too much, tbh.
~ 16 minutes ~
19:30 * asciilifeform eats log, sees runaway decimal point, but then finds that hanbot already found, lol
19:32 * asciilifeform returns to battling regexp liquishit
~ 43 minutes ~
20:15 BingoBoingo In too much news today: Red opposition Senator made a literary reference and paper had to include the poems in question https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-discurso-de-bordaberry-y-el-consejo-de-topolansky-en-discusion-por-un-feriado--201959191813
20:15 BingoBoingo Also June 15th is now a holy day for some awful reason
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20:18 mp_en_viaje such as nobody remembers what work is nor anything useful left to be done ?
20:20 BingoBoingo Pretty much
20:22 feedbot http://thewhet.net/2019/05/blistering-choice/ << The Whet -- Blistering Choice
20:29 hanbot cheers and accolades to BingoBoingo for helping me solve my neglected blog's hiccups on a moment's notice, btw. i don't miss pre-pizarro in any sense.
20:31 mp_en_viaje nice huh!
20:32 hanbot rather!
20:34 asciilifeform in other noose, asciilifeform saw for 1st time a live mole.
20:35 asciilifeform somehow never before saw alive, only dead. ran, as if trying to swim, with those odd things they have that pass for legs.
20:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-10#1912244 << bastille day ?!
20:37 a111 Logged on 2019-05-10 00:15 BingoBoingo: Also June 15th is now a holy day for some awful reason
20:38 BingoBoingo Unsure, didn't see in the story WTF the holiday was for.
20:40 * asciilifeform celebrated, quietly, his national religious holiday today.
20:41 asciilifeform i wonder if phf got to see parade.
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20:45 mp_en_viaje um, romanian kingdom day ?!
20:46 asciilifeform mno, although lulzy if it also may 9
20:47 mp_en_viaje may 10, crowning of carol i.
20:47 asciilifeform aa
20:47 asciilifeform i still dunget why they had to mail-order a king, what, couldn't grow one locally
20:47 mp_en_viaje definitely couldn't.
20:48 mp_en_viaje (also mail-ordered before, all romanian princes were phanar greeks)
20:50 asciilifeform greeks ?!
20:50 asciilifeform i had nfi.
20:52 asciilifeform mp_en_viaje: relatedly, is there a royalist party in current-day ro ?
20:52 asciilifeform perhaps they oughta try a diff mailorder catalogue. iirc jp emperor recently retired, perhaps he'd be willing to moonlight.
20:53 mp_en_viaje in a very theoretical sense, i guess.
20:54 mp_en_viaje anyway, the irony -- sick of istanbul greeks, romanians decided to mail order from germany. but because too smart for their own good, and possessed of a completely unwarranted pride, came up with idea to make rule that king sons to be raised as romanians.
20:54 mp_en_viaje imported king -- excellent material, arguably best leader romania ever had.
20:54 mp_en_viaje his successor, middling +.
20:55 mp_en_viaje then, middling - ; and finally HORRIBLE, F---.
20:55 mp_en_viaje the more romanian they got...
20:55 * asciilifeform familiar with subj, but strictly from that likbez mp_en_viaje wrote some yrs ago
21:01 mp_en_viaje anyway, anyway, i suppose in principle karl friedrich [of the swabian hohenzollerns] would be the current claimant to the romanian throne. but this is a fact nobody in romania is aware of.
21:02 mp_en_viaje there's various comedians peddling various poorly written fictions, but their relation to anything is about the same, they exist on github, peripherally to computing, or on "natural health" forums peropheral to medicine, etcetera.
21:03 mp_en_viaje there's also a bunch of (usually older) people who are fundamentally anti-democratic, who wrongly imagine this means they're "monarchists", and then further wrongly imagine this has anything to do with either of the two foregoing items.
21:03 mp_en_viaje considering their discernment, they could just as well be persuaded it has something to do with toyota hamburgers.
21:18 * asciilifeform pictures, unwillingly, a 'toyota hamburger'.
21:24 mp_en_viaje anyway, also amusingly enough the principal anti-democratic current comes from the so-called "technocrats", ie the bureaucratic core of the european union.
21:26 mp_en_viaje you should hear what jesuitical philipicals come out of them! how well it would be if they were just proclaimed the aristocracy already! how meritous they are! how special! how specially in communion with whatever possible statement of divinity, and how specially marked by it! how well they'd ordain all matters! equitably! how the politicians and the businessmen ruin the world! and so on and so forth.
21:27 mp_en_viaje (i suppose ~nobody is aware, but the classical antisemitic discourse is just reheated soup, originally it was the jesuits that were poisoning the youth through miseducation, aiming to take over the world, controlled mass media and banks etc etc etc)
21:29 mp_en_viaje philippicals*
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