| 00:00 |
BingoBoingo |
nicoleci: Compact cars with a transmission that will mate to literally anything |
| 00:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Ample space under the hood. |
| 00:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Got a dump truck with a broken chassis? Toss that good motor in an escort. |
| 00:01 |
nicoleci |
ah okay, makes sense. this is giving me terrible flashbacks to indiana truck rallies |
| 00:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Did you do combine demolition derbies? |
| 00:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Pitting Harvesters past their economic utility in one last effort at a cash prize> |
| 00:03 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, lmao i refused to go but of course. then you head to the county fair! |
| 00:03 |
BingoBoingo |
How many days was your county fair? |
| 00:04 |
BingoBoingo |
And how far was your walk to there |
| 00:05 |
* |
BingoBoingo especially enjoyed the police intervening in the combine demo derby for "attempted murder" when the hot driver loaded up the bin with stolen utility poles |
| 00:06 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, like two weeks! and it cost money to get in, people talked about it for a fucking month before. Ahaha it was about 40 minutes from me so no walking, lake county, IN is a pretty large area unfortunately. |
| 00:06 |
nicoleci |
lmao, sounds about right. |
| 00:06 |
BingoBoingo |
lol, mine was and still is one week though the days shifted |
| 00:07 |
nicoleci |
drama at the county fair! so many suspect ICP fans |
| 00:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Niver less than five minutes on foot until it turned into 20+ hours on plane |
| 00:08 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, ah sweet freedom. |
| 00:08 |
* |
BingoBoingo down was down with the clown but always got lost on the way to the gathering... Until it lost its appeal |
| 00:09 |
BingoBoingo |
nicoleci: I suspect the Republic's biggest audience historically has been of midwestern upbringing for the acuteness of what pantsuit stole being felt. |
| 00:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Other parts of the world feel less. |
| 00:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Mind trinque, ben_vulpes, and asciilifeform living in alt-Midwests to this day |
| 00:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Or danielpbarron defecting to a midwest without any loam at all |
| 00:13 |
* |
BingoBoingo hopes to have opened at least one new vein for mircea_popescu and hanbot to mine |
| 00:13 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, hahaha! i hope you get to met your hero shaggy2dope one day |
| 00:13 |
nicoleci |
i can see it re the republic! |
| 00:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck that loser, Violent J |
| 00:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Anyways, my hometown and several near it were the lucky ones in the region for NOT having coal veins of importance |
| 00:15 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, why lucky? |
| 00:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Today they are places you can plop down a US stick and plastic "habitation" without eating an insurance dick for risk on mine subsidence |
| 00:16 |
BingoBoingo |
When they mines died, unlike their unlucky neighbors they didn't Qatar and die |
| 00:18 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, ahh I see and this was in Illinois? steel is our defunct industry |
| 00:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Next town over friend of the father's family runs his farm with energy costs == teflon tape for not selling mineral rights over an empty rock dome which today is a pressurized natgas router. |
| 00:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Steel is a defuct industry here too, but they used to and around Nashville still mine coal. But the kind rich in sulfur. No anthracite primadonna shit. |
| 00:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Lots of black sand dollars, and retard shark jaws |
| 00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Turns out no one cares about fossils when there's rocks to burn |
| 00:22 |
* |
BingoBoingo can not recommend DIY mine tours on the grounds that IRL hell is cold and wet |
| 00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Indiana's primary disability is it lacks Illinois' geological weird at the extremes |
| 00:32 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, cant imagine what youd find in a mine. agreed, indiana only has limestone and plenty of caves to tour |
| 00:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, dead shark jaws and black sand dollars a plenty. Like other not that uncommon things people pretend there's market scarcity until a grand kid unloads grandpa's hoard. |
| 00:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Then they specify and region wank defending what they are holding from the new aggressive seller. Very much a Chinese bullion coin problem. |
| 00:38 |
nicoleci |
interesting - unsurprisingly i had no idea about the black sand dollars and dead shark jaws |
| 00:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, coal generally signifies dead organic shit |
| 00:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Apparently Albers, Illinois used to be shark country |
| 00:41 |
nicoleci |
hmm makes sense. so much cooler than indiana. i lived in naperville for a year, such a mistake. |
| 00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, You are a Yankee |
| 00:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Naperville Illinois is such a pale nanny state shithole |
| 00:43 |
* |
BingoBoingo bases that on hotel pool being closed 8th grade state geography bee... to the extent Illinois could pretend such a contest |
| 00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Rockford much cooler, Koi in the hotel lobby (6th grade lower standards, ratchet works one way) |
| 00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
This of course ends in not being down with the clown because lil' debbie claims to be the ratchet, a claim contested by alicia all whatever the fuck |
| 00:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Followed by mud huts surrounding mine tailing retention ponds, declarations that small mouth bass ought to have three eyes, and why shouldn't your cousin be the prettiest girls, etc, etc, |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Definitive cultural artifact, apologies for the Vexual format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt0C7yVhkaY |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Titled: "MICHELLE OBAMA" Official Video - LiL DEBBiE & RiFF RAFF + ATL..." |
| 00:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Midwest stress can break 4 ways from my perch: to republic, to the grindstone, to walmart scootypuffs, and to African booty Purple Drank shit |
| 00:50 |
BingoBoingo |
In order of ascending popularity and indictment of demoocracy |
| 00:52 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, lmao! lil debbie is a terrorist, ugh riff raff was probably born at walmart and true rockford is much cooler. asciilifeform is going to be so mad at the quality of the channel discussion |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i have nfi what you two are on about, by and large. |
| 00:58 |
BingoBoingo |
WoT is a thing. I have my doubts asciilifeform will find this tangent without quality as I took him to the Tres Cruses national bus terminal and shopping for ice cream and shade en route to the store that sells cables. |
| 00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Take it on my word you are better off not knowing |
| 00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
This is white folks in african mud huts |
| 00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Pantsuit endgame shit |
| 00:59 |
nicoleci |
lmao truth. |
| 01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
White girls with the one token white guy chanting pantsuit friendly phraseology to a beat |
| 01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Corresonds to fall 2015 sobering the fuck up |
| 01:01 |
nicoleci |
so when are you guys coming to costa rica? Bring trinque |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
why trinque ? |
| 01:01 |
BingoBoingo |
I am not comfortable being outside of a leisurley walk to the Pizarro Rack without coverage. |
| 01:02 |
nicoleci |
i feel like hed appreciate this, and asciilifeform of course |
| 01:02 |
BingoBoingo |
surley, becaue there is one bum normally situated in the other direction who enjoys playing with his mortality too much |
| 01:02 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i read ~barring~ was confused. |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, im guessing after this spirited bout of dank posting, bb will be forever known as bimboboingo |
| 01:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Nah, she's too tall |
| 01:04 |
nicoleci |
the boingoest |
| 01:04 |
* |
BingoBoingo entertained the afrodescendiente bitches in old country, awful ergonomics |
| 01:05 |
BingoBoingo |
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ergonomics |
| 01:07 |
* |
asciilifeform suspects magick BingoBoingostani pie |
| 01:07 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm 5'7, hooked 5'9 and 5'11 lean testaments to Africa back where Africa was trendy. |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: you ate both halves didntcha. |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
i think he might've eaten three halves. |
| 01:08 |
nicoleci |
lmaooo, my favorite day in #trilema |
| 01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: You can't dry the memories, but taste testing candidates for "the mellow stuff" |
| 01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo so send 'em to cr, we take 6 foot non-pink nippled gals here. |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ftr asciilifeform found that 1 half is quite enuff to 'watch cartoons on ceiling' |
| 01:10 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, please. i have to see asciilifeform on edibles |
| 01:10 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: carbon black nipples the both of them. Raised withing 5 km of each other. One catholic schools (not rare) other "baptist" school. |
| 01:11 |
BingoBoingo |
nicoleci: asciilifeform looks the same as he always does when he isn't wearing his special customs clearing outfit |
| 01:13 |
BingoBoingo |
And the edibles are some dangerous shit. Put a venue to sleep for ~10 pesos a head and leave em stupid for a week using the common sourced shit. |
| 01:15 |
nicoleci |
lmao! the racks will be okay for a few days |
| 01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Stoners talk about "CBD" like its a miracle for a reason. It is not that "CBD" is a miracle fix everything drug. It is that "CBD" is a partial agonist at the receptors they soak! |
| 01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
<nicoleci> lmao! the racks will be okay for a few days << Not if the jews know which few days |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
wat was 'cbd' ? |
| 01:16 |
BingoBoingo |
For Chronic self disabilitating stoners "CBD" will lift them out of the fog. |
| 01:16 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, so hows the paranoia on edibles lol |
| 01:16 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Partial antagonist to the receptors THC hits |
| 01:17 |
BingoBoingo |
nicoleci: Less than the sedation. |
| 01:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Seriously changes the "How I would have done it" of every heist movie involving drugs ever. |
| 01:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Anyways, as a partial agonist CBD, should your flower have it caps how high the high is |
| 01:19 |
BingoBoingo |
And caps how long the high is |
| 01:20 |
BingoBoingo |
And apparently is in all the "creative flower" as reconstructed by "justus todd Raveneirs" |
| 01:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Like Vareniciline for nicotine, except... not touching the dominant muscle receptor |
| 01:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe some babies with congentital weird stop seizing to death on CBD, but the principal benefit seems to be to confirmed stoners who want to stop actively disabling themselves |
| 01:26 |
nicoleci |
lol well this has been informative. |
| 01:29 |
BingoBoingo |
nicoleci: There was another thread near http://bingology.net/2018/10/14/that-one-agricultural-product-and-uruguay/ where mircea_popescu mentioned he veteran stoner knocked out by new shit |
| 01:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Out for 8+ hours like an oxy freak, but on pantsuit friendly cannajeans |
| 01:30 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, hanbot has a great story regarding that! |
| 01:30 |
nicoleci |
as they say, dont get high off of your own supply |
| 01:31 |
BingoBoingo |
This is Uruguay, I am surrounded by retards who do indoor tends while posessing perfectly good baclonies with sun exposure. |
| 01:32 |
BingoBoingo |
The mission, as I see it, is to find an antidote. The high times promises this antidote is a partial agonist they call CBD> |
| 01:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Tonight I am tempted to burn them all for fucking my already abysmal dyslexiatech spell algorithms |
| 01:34 |
* |
BingoBoingo recommends if one must have a drug induced break down the best place is in a public where the peers know your baseline |
| 01:37 |
* |
BingoBoingo still pretty sure recommending 35k cost basis locations with 75k wages to alf in 2015 which had loading docks |
| 01:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Dry cleaning may not always be a living, but it is an industry |
| 01:40 |
nicoleci |
BingoBoingo, sounds like Uruguay is still on to something |
| 01:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Not really, they made a piss poor showing at their own expo cannabis unmanning their own domestic seed bank booths. Current sample which exceeds disability I am inclined to share with datacenter is "Auto Blue Ace CBD" by "Delicious Seeds" |
| 01:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Aftertaste they accurately describe as hash. For effect they mention NOTHING at all about my crank case full of strawberry cosby. |
| 01:45 |
BingoBoingo |
This isn't the pisspot story. Cocaine has some virtues. I dunno that weed can be anything other than Pol Pot shit |
| 01:47 |
BingoBoingo |
http://trilema.com/2017/the-pisspots/ for reference |
| 01:49 |
nicoleci |
lmao to bad, sounds more organized than Costa Ricas product |
| 01:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Well Paraguay is either #1, #2 or #3 in the world and Paraguay isn't your almost neighbor |
| 01:51 |
BingoBoingo |
<nicoleci> lmao to bad, sounds more organized than Costa Ricas product << Before you think this could be a good thing consider tomatoes back home |
| 01:53 |
nicoleci |
hmmm interesting point. |
| 01:53 |
BingoBoingo |
To Spoil this country's domestic indoor crop only requires 10-24 male plants of southwest asian descent started last week |
| 01:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Wind does the rest |
| 01:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Consider the water tumor that is a Walmart tomato, the sickness that is a farmers market tomato, and the bliss that is one of your grandparent's tomatoes provided they don't suck |
| 01:58 |
BingoBoingo |
If you have ate a purple tomato you know what I mean. If you ate a SOLID purple tomato... that is a lot of dye... are you still pissing blue? |
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| 02:20 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo you need some sleep you know. |
| |
~ 34 minutes ~ |
| 02:54 |
feedbot |
http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part I |
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~ 5 hours 17 minutes ~ |
| 08:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Verdict: too active to be the mellow stuff |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 08:31 |
Mocky |
mircea_popescu: thx for the mega comment |
| |
~ 41 minutes ~ |
| 09:13 |
auctionbot |
Buy order # 1038 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo |
| |
~ 1 hours 15 minutes ~ |
| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Mocky now you gotta answer it :D |
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| 10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
also this style where the quotes are 2.5x the text in comments is for the fish. |
| 10:29 |
Mocky |
i'm still reading the links. currently at http://trilema.com/2017/paolo-il-caldo/ |
| 10:30 |
Mocky |
yeah, my hand rolled blog is not long for this world http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1893948 |
| 10:30 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 01:06 Mocky: then imma migrate to wp |
| 10:30 |
Mocky |
i will answer |
| 10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
no rush. |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
btw, totally worth seeing the films referenced, half dozen or so they may be, in the sense that i don't expect there's any chance of your having encountered them or anything like them on your own. |
| 10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
bubble bursting is the exact converse activity of naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-391.394-391.502 |
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| 10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
(i mean in the sense that by the time one's seen everything, the order starts mattering so much. in fact the order's mostly important before completion, in that it holds predictive value. which is to say that if i can cut the space of existence into the set of "he has probably seen" and "he has probably not seen" i have a significant strategic advantage over the he.) |
| 10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
the order stops mattering* |
| 10:38 |
Mocky |
Pretty likely I haven't encountered the like, I'll watch |
| 10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bwahahaha new england patriots won the superbowl ? what the everfuck. |
| 10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i had nfi "greater boston area" had a team, when the fuck did this happen. |
| 10:54 |
Mocky |
i'm assuming "Eu cind vreau sa fluier, fluier" == "Eu cand vreau sa fluier, fluier". The former named in http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/ the latter available for download |
| 10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. |
| 10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"I, when feeling like whistling, whistle", and not the atrocious barbarism it's marketed as. |
| 11:00 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894304 << hey loox like mircea_popescu found how to set off a ~second~ bug in the selector |
| 11:00 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 15:31 mircea_popescu: bubble bursting is the exact converse activity of naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-391.394-391.502 |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
darn, not worky ? |
| 11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i had "That the probably only _truly_ random element in anyones life is the order in which they experience things" selected. |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
apparently not, and i dunneven know why just yet |
| 11:01 |
asciilifeform |
ty mircea_popescu |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-393.393-393.502 seems to work... |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
very odd. |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
i see it. |
| 11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
nfi what the fuck was up its ass. |
| 11:02 |
asciilifeform |
i gotta saw that thing open again when i get free hand |
| 11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
conceivably some context leakage by browser, i wouldn't fucking bother until we actually have a browser that works. |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894292 << hanbot : the link to |
| 11:04 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 07:54 feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part I |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
mod6 is broken |
| 11:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894292 << hanbot : the link to mod6 is broken |
| 11:04 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 07:54 feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part I |
| 11:05 |
asciilifeform |
grr i gotta stiffen the spring tension on that 'return' pedal. |
| 11:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'browser that works' would be a mighty great thing. |
| 11:07 |
asciilifeform |
currently i've nfi out of what one'd even begin to make it, tho |
| 11:08 |
asciilifeform |
hm hanbot doesn't seem to have the selector js thing in place ( or does, and it dungo..? ) |
| 11:09 |
asciilifeform |
hanbot: i thought you were gonna revv up a cuntoo ? article seems to concern a classical gentoo install ? |
| 11:10 |
asciilifeform |
the provided box is already running a trad gentoo; theoretically should suffice for bringing up cuntoo, as i understand |
| 11:11 |
* |
asciilifeform brb,tea |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 11:34 |
BingoBoingo |
!Xbuy 154mn 24 500 Wired Filthy Fiats (WU esta bien) |
| 11:34 |
auctionbot |
Buy order # 1039 created by BingoBoingo: 500 Wired Filthy Fiats (WU esta bien) Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-02-10 04:37:54.605523 UTC (23 hours) |
| 11:34 |
BingoBoingo |
^ Take 3 |
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~ 16 minutes ~ |
| 11:50 |
Mocky |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894296 << answered |
| 11:50 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 15:29 mircea_popescu: Mocky now you gotta answer it :D |
| 11:58 |
trinque |
hanbot: two things. one, you'll need to build phf's vtools and have that available in the build environment. the build wont generate a genesis.vpatch without it. |
| 11:59 |
trinque |
secondly, the build expects you to pass a whole block device (disk) upon which it will write a completely new partition scheme. you don't want to do this to the drive from which you booted. |
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| 12:25 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: we supplied hanbot with box containing empty sata disk, and separate (usb) drive from which booted. |
| 12:29 |
asciilifeform |
seems to me from the article that hanbot went to setup up a ~traditional~ gentoo 1st, which as i understand isn't actually needed ( machine already booted into 1 ) |
| 12:39 |
trinque |
yep, just needs a virgin disk. no need to stand up another vanilla gentoo on that disk first; the bootstrapper handles everything else. |
| 12:42 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Seems like the sort of thing that can save work later. The supplied USB is a "live" image working off of a squashfs |
| 12:43 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: it has 12G of writeable space, oughta suffice for cuntoo build afaik |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 12:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Indeed. Yet I suspect doing a heathen gentoo on the spinning disk will provide a valuable point of contrast Cuntoo. There's 2 kinds of steps you can insert into a process beyond the minimum. Educative ones where you explore the space gathering experience which may be useful later. The other kind are pure friction a la SOPS. |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: as i understand, then would need a ~third~ disk for cuntoo. |
| 13:02 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: imho there's not much educational value any moar in setting up ancient gentoo; it's obsoleted by cuntoo, and quite difficult to revv up on acct of the dead mirrors |
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| 13:03 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: We've got disks both USB and a second missile code free 160G spinner |
| 13:05 |
asciilifeform |
i'm not even certain that it's ~possible~ today to glue together a complete classical gentoo ( and if possible today -- may not be tomorrow ) |
| 13:05 |
asciilifeform |
was sorta half the reason for cuntoo in the 1st place |
| 13:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: there is of course the bottled gentoo i baked for rk; but it is also arguably a technological dead-end, and eventually oughta be replaced with arm cuntoo |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
( cuntoo was not available when i baked rk , and it was necessary to work around the sad state of the upstream mirrors, hence why bottled it ) |
| 13:11 |
asciilifeform |
rk-gentoo still pulls from heathen mirrors if you 'emerge ...' , i dun expect this will work 4evah |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
and incidentally ( achtung rk users ! ) if you are careless and allow 'emerge' to update, you will hose the machine, from that point it will whine ( about the prohibition on systemd!! ) and grind to a halt when asked to emerge anyffin |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
i'd prefer to get the rk plant onto a working cuntoo as soon as it becomes practical. |
| 13:15 |
asciilifeform |
iirc this is amply documented in the logs, but will remind folx again, ~errything~ on the heathen mirrors oughta be considered in full fungal bloom, at this pt. |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
i defungated this bread crust many times, but there aint so much bread remaining in it. |
| 13:18 |
asciilifeform |
a working cuntoo is the only path fwd for reproducible, reasonably-working unix box. |
| 13:24 |
hanbot |
asciilifeform, trinque, BingoBoingo no, i'm aware. nevertheless, wanted to try getting a gentoo on first, seeing how it's in fact needed, and perhaps the general case of someone who isn't this good friends with this many experts is to be explored. |
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| 13:24 |
lobbesbot |
hanbot: Sent 2 days, 15 hours, and 19 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ODjpO/?raw=true << Credentials for AMD64 box |
| 13:25 |
hanbot |
doesn't seem too rosy, either. (i just hope i didn't hose your install usb in the process somewhere.) |
| 13:26 |
BingoBoingo |
hanbot: I still have the image I wrote and other sticks up to 16GB locally sourced without Uruguay pricing hitting too hard |
| 13:29 |
mod6 |
fwiw, I've been working on trying to get cuntoo working for 10 days. |
| 13:31 |
mod6 |
not 10 full days, but certainly 10 days of approx. 2 hour sessions each day. i've been hooking up null modem cables to capture kernel panics... i've taken to hacking trinque's scripts, just about everything to try to conquer this type of error: |
| 13:31 |
mod6 |
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 13:32 |
mod6 |
Anyway, I think it maybe just hates my iron for some unknown reason. Obviously, I leaving out a lot of details here, but i've tried everything, different boot loaders, minor adjustments to fstab, a working kernel, map and initrd from the working gentoo (ON THE SAME BOX)... a hand built initrd. |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 you gotta post all this wtf. |
| 13:32 |
mod6 |
the list goes on and on. |
| 13:33 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: if yours panics, sounds like kernel (or even iron) problem , rather than cuntoo issue |
| 13:33 |
asciilifeform |
cuntoo afaik is atm silent on the question of what goes in kernel. |
| 13:33 |
mod6 |
well, I didn't want to send people down rabbit holes, but now im at the point where I think I can't get any further with out more help. |
| 13:34 |
mod6 |
right, i agree, so i don't think it's ~cuntoo~ per se... but imagine this. I've had gentoo running on that hardware for nearly a year since i bought it. |
| 13:34 |
mod6 |
it has a name, 'trb-test1', a simple gentoo box to run trb test builds. |
| 13:34 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: i assume you fed trinque's script your kernel config ? |
| 13:34 |
mod6 |
yup, exactly. |
| 13:35 |
mod6 |
and a whole bunch of slight variants trying to unfuck the thing. |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: mircea_popescu already said, but pleeez post your process |
| 13:35 |
mod6 |
yeah, im long overdue for a blog on the thing. |
| 13:35 |
asciilifeform |
lotsa folx over the years tried 'telepathic debug', but it never worx, we aint got any telepaths |
| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
thinking about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894351 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894364 it seems to me that we've created this situation where at the same time a) there's no real purpose to still looking at heathen gentoo as anything more than crap but also b) there's not very clearly delineated "use this prepackaged thing" (nor is a all that clearly communicated). |
| 13:35 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 18:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho there's not much educational value any moar in setting up ancient gentoo; it's obsoleted by cuntoo, and quite difficult to revv up on acct of the dead mirrors |
| 13:35 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 18:24 hanbot: asciilifeform, trinque, BingoBoingo no, i'm aware. nevertheless, wanted to try getting a gentoo on first, seeing how it's in fact needed, and perhaps the general case of someone who isn't this good friends with this many experts is to be explored. |
| 13:36 |
mod6 |
after lastnights mis-adventure; i'm out of ideas, so I'll stop banging on it and make a post. |
| 13:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: heathen gentoo is exactly lenin's 'we build the new shithouse from the rubble of the old, there aint any imported brick to build it from' |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"transition phase", whatever, but the point remains that if we're going to actually take the a) view then something very much like what she's looking for ("i took what looked like the tmsr official gentoo off the foundation site") should also exist. |
| 13:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: presently exists for rk. do you suppose also oughta have one for pc ? |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm guessing what we actually want here is to get cuntoo ready already and then just skip this step altogether ; meanwhile sit unprotected |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i don't specifically know, but what she says is not without merit, "what's somebody other than me supposed to do???" |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
after all, the whole fucking point of "test this" is the "somebdoy other than me" outlook. otherwise what, "worked for me" ? |
| 13:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ideally would be 'download trinque's signed iso and boot from it, then install cuntoo' |
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| 13:37 |
asciilifeform |
but loox like we aint there yet |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta look around when testing. |
| 13:38 |
asciilifeform |
i gotta agree with mircea_popescu tho, the current recipe is very muchly 'wanna light a fire? take a stick, and yer old fire..' |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
won't be the end of the world if we manage to actually have a cuntoo in a few months. |
| 13:39 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: what's the obstacle currently in the way of a bootable cuntoo iso ? |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
well for one thing he's waiting for some sig reproductions. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
or at any rate, i'd be were i him. |
| 13:40 |
asciilifeform |
rright , but this apparently requires a working fossilized gentoo. to reproduce at all. |
| 13:40 |
mod6 |
i should add, that my output genesis has never verified with his original sig, i admit to not even trying his new sig posted in his comment section. |
| 13:40 |
mod6 |
just because I can't even get it to boot, so just left that aside for the time being. |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform consider this phd assemblyline we've made here : both mod6 and hanbot have sunk >1 hour into it with little to show for. |
| 13:41 |
mod6 |
i'll go to work on a blog post, this weekend. will try to capture all the details. |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and this is the ~reported~, who knows what else. |
| 13:41 |
asciilifeform |
what i thought hanbot was going to do, is to attempt trinque's recipe using BingoBoingo's beachhead stick . then BingoBoingo's fossil gentoo can be pressed into service as standard beachhead, while such thing still needed. |
| 13:41 |
mod6 |
i've actually been lucky enough to have shinohai's ear this whole time too, who actually has a working cuntoo. |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
seems that's definitely what she's going to do now. |
| 13:41 |
mod6 |
but, again, maybe it's this intel hardware. not sure. |
| 13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i dunno about you, but i am fucking suspicious as all hell of all these "here's our matrix dot printer, to use it here's the matrix dot printer program". |
| 13:43 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: It's not my fossil gentoo outside of the sense I plucked it out of the wild for a lack of anything else |
| 13:43 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the only total cure for thompsonism is to ditch unix/c/pc/etc entirely. we aint there yet tho. |
| 13:43 |
mod6 |
on the bright side, i thought that my inital new SSD i ordered for cuntoo was just bad in some way, so i went and bought another. so now i have a spare :] |
| 13:43 |
* |
mircea_popescu not about to pull a stink about it in the instant case, obviously. but the general config still is "wtf, can't use my own gentoo for this, gotta use apple's cable ?" |
| 13:44 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem is that 'my own gentoo' is not a defined item. |
| 13:44 |
mircea_popescu |
good thing it has a name. |
| 13:44 |
asciilifeform |
sorta why it gotta die to begin with. |
| 13:44 |
mod6 |
i should also mention that shinohai's working cuntoo is a APU box - not intel. |
| 13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai did you publish all this somewhere ? |
| 13:45 |
mod6 |
anyway, I apologize for not reporting sooner, just thought that I could emerge victorious one of these attempts. I'll stfu and go to work on a blog with more deets. |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 as a rule of thumb, a thing whatever it may be that took over a coupla hours of your time's ripe for blog article by the very nature of life expectancy. |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: recall the 9000 headaches of folx who tried to build pre-rotor trb ? asciilifeform did not resort to 'and now run this 4 hour script that builds a gcc, and then builds with it a gcc, and ~then~ builds deps, and ~then~ trb' just to make life moar interesting. |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
tes,\ |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
yes* |
| 13:46 |
asciilifeform |
it was forced move, on acct of the shitfest that is 'bring own linux' |
| 13:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm looking at this with an eye to eulora client also and so fucking following. |
| 13:47 |
shinohai |
mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/cuntoo-a-linux-that-sucks-less.html <<< I will mention that the USB version won't boot yet, only useful as chroot device. |
| 13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai well, so does trinque 's sig match ? |
| 13:47 |
mod6 |
mircea_popescu: indeed overripe now, point taken, Sir. |
| 13:48 |
shinohai |
His sig matched in that case, yes. Subsequent attempts on my i5 lappy have failed to get matching sig. |
| 13:48 |
mod6 |
ahh, yeah mine is i5 also fwiw. |
| 13:49 |
BingoBoingo |
HyperThread(TM)(R)? |
| 13:50 |
mod6 |
maybe? |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai did you post the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892049 anywhere ? |
| 13:50 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-03 17:19 trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state? |
| 13:50 |
mod6 |
like i said, i'll stfu, and write up a post, will include my kernconf. |
| 13:50 |
mircea_popescu |
for that lappy i mean |
| 13:52 |
shinohai |
Nope, haven't posted the build/ directory up yet. Probably will do so soon. |
| 13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ok so basically so far the situation's that shinohai managed to get trinque's sig to match on a rk but not an intel lappy, while diana_coman mod6 hanbot failed to get it to match on a diverse set of items (laptop, desktop, racked box). |
| 13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
and it also came to light it can't yet be seated on 32 bit machines. |
| 13:54 |
mircea_popescu |
that about the situation so far ? |
| 13:55 |
hanbot |
well my failed attempt isn't known to have anything to do with cuntoo, as i didn't touch it yet. |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
a yes, preparatory phases yet. alright. |
| 13:56 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Rather than a rk, shinohai cuntoo'd and AMD E-300 (AMD 64) laptop |
| 13:56 |
shinohai |
Yeah, I haven't a rk yet to try, that may come in few weeks |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
ah ok. |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai you gonna be selling eulora machines nao, like danielpbarron used to ? |
| 13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
god knows it'd have come in handy, at the least during http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-01-17.log.html#t11:10:22 sadness. |
| 13:58 |
lobbesbot |
Logged on 2019-01-17 11:10:22: <requiemzz> im having issues installing the game on linux its failing after running "make" |
| 14:00 |
shinohai |
I wish ... would like to have a barn full of the AMD boards, not the most powerful in the world but run really great, even with own gentoo recipe. |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/dpb-removed-from-republican-rss-roll.html << lol, check out the skeptical/aloof/pardoy/etcetera, theological discussions, #trilema-from-a-distance, what have you. |
| 14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
you know, you're failing to keep up! there's been at least a coupla more items hence! |
| 14:02 |
shinohai |
I love lampooning, it's the point of whole blog! |
| 14:03 |
* |
shinohai misses Qntra shitcoin lampooning most, but audience is good now on own pages. |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bcinfobot.html << anyone want his bot in here ? |
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| 14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai shouldn't you have a comment section or something ? |
| 14:06 |
feedbot |
http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-jan-febr-and-march-1716-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of Jan. Febr. and March 1716. - Part IV. |
| 14:07 |
shinohai |
Possibly, was experimenting with this comment based on btc block times thing, still haven't got it sorted. |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
is this basically your hand spun cl cms or what ? |
| 14:10 |
shinohai |
The bot? Or the blog. |
| 14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
the blog |
| 14:11 |
shinohai |
Blog is just an awk script that generates pages since I like composing from vim. (If wp had this feature would gladly use) |
| 14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
why doesn't it ? |
| 14:12 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean... you can compose it in emacs and email it to the blog even |
| 14:13 |
shinohai |
I dunno if in logs, but I tried this with mp-wp couple years back and didn't get it working properly. https://github.com/dsawardekar/wordpress.vim |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
do you specifically want hooks and all that ? what am i missing here, you can just write your article in vim and either email it to the blog's pop3 acct or else paste it in the web box i guess. |
| 14:15 |
mircea_popescu |
though honestly, if i wanted to vim-face mp-wp, i'd put a vimterface on ~mysql~ directly, rather than the wp wrapper. |
| 14:16 |
shinohai |
Well I often find myself using box with no X server, is there a way to say make curl request or something that would paste into web box? |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
https://vimconf.wordpress.com/ << meanwhile in other lulz. |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai certainly. |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
and you can definitely use the email route. moreover, if you suck in some gpgtron, you can even have the thing exposed, and only publish signed content. |
| 14:17 |
shinohai |
If so, would be simple matter of making vim alias |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
you specifically want to curl into the web box ? |
| 14:18 |
shinohai |
yup |
| 14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
well, put something like httpfox on a browser or w/e you use for that, BingoBoingo can set you up a test acct on their shared environment, and you can capture the request it makes and use that in the future. |
| 14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly need a coupla cookies and the exact path of wp-admin/blabla |
| 14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, a completely curl-tomated mp-wp interaction thingee would be a great addition to mp-wp itself, imo. |
| 14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
login/create new article/insert pics/publish/check pending comments/approve/mark as spam sorta thing. |
| 14:27 |
feedbot |
http://qntra.net/2019/02/macronist-forces-continue-maiming-french-population-as-yellow-jacket-has-hand-taken-from-him/ << Qntra -- Macronist Forces Continue Maiming French Population As Yellow Jacket Has Hand Taken From Him |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894395 << the aim is to have people understand what I built and packaged up before cutting such an ISO |
| 14:31 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 18:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideally would be 'download trinque's signed iso and boot from it, then install cuntoo' |
| 14:31 |
trinque |
when an ISO is cut, it will come with a corresponding ISO-cutter ebuild. |
| 14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't even agree, fwiw. i'm not about to saddle you with a "now you gotta maintain magic gentoo" task. |
| 14:32 |
mircea_popescu |
the pointers should point to cuntoo, once it's ready. |
| 14:32 |
trinque |
it's ready; I run it all day. |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean in the sense of "well, buncha people checked sigs, signed themselves, are running it all day" |
| 14:33 |
trinque |
ah yes |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
doesn't seem all that far off, shinohai got eulora running on it apparently. |
| 14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
eg, you run it all day, but apparently not on 32 bit machines ? that sorta thing. |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
needs to diffuse a little more, it seems. |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, hey asciilifeform do we have any plans to move phuctor to cuntoo ? |
| 14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda seems like we should. |
| 14:36 |
trinque |
reading the logs since I departed, seems like it'd be helpful to do another post (after a bunch of sig verifications) where I do a literate version of the script |
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| 14:36 |
trinque |
it'd be a decent intro to what's linux |
| 14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
literate versions never EVER hurt anything. |
| 14:36 |
mircea_popescu |
nor the writer nor the reader. |
| 14:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i'd like to move ~all~ of asciilifeform-tended irons to cuntoo eventually. |
| 14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yes but neveremind the generalities. specifically phuctor, it's from what i understand just python ? |
| 14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
+ of course postgres. |
| 14:37 |
asciilifeform |
front end is python , back end is statically linked c that'll run anywhere |
| 14:37 |
asciilifeform |
current concern item is pg yea |
| 14:37 |
mircea_popescu |
seems like the "i run it all day" glove could benefit from the sort of heavy duty brush phuctor can provide. |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
now THAT is "i run all day", literally, multiply numbers at processor speed 24/7 |
| 14:38 |
asciilifeform |
phuctor is actually due for a redisking , for expanded space, would like to combine this with encuntooation, once we establish that pg runs |
| 14:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this'd be grand. when's the due date ? |
| 14:39 |
asciilifeform |
no sooner than hanbot is done with her proj on the spare unit, but no reason to wait any longer . |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus the blockings. |
| 14:40 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma prepare a pilot box on desk for cuntooism and reproduction of pg etc |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
good idea. |
| 14:40 |
asciilifeform |
it gotta be done at any rate, currently asciilifeform is the tortoise in the cuntoo race fulla achileses |
| 14:40 |
mircea_popescu |
keks. |
| 14:41 |
asciilifeform |
my last shot failed, and with no usable debugola, but trinque has updated since, and high time to retry. |
| 14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
tbh this thing is moving along quite prettily ; once we've had eulora and phuctor run on it for a few months we'll know whether it's stable or not and if not what to fix. |
| 14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
but in any case, can start talking of a much better trb sitting. |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
really it's primarily a test of muslism |
| 14:42 |
asciilifeform |
in all other respects it's ~identical to ressonably vintage trad gentoo , mechanically |
| 14:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so. though, as you well pointed out, "gentoo" doesn't mean anything, and adding "vintage" or "traditional" dun fix this. |
| 14:43 |
asciilifeform |
( trinque plox to correct if i'm mistaken ) |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the only genuinely informative parameter re old gentoo is vintage -- steady rise of fungi the closer to present day |
| 14:46 |
trinque |
yes, snapshot-and-fork of a musl-gentoo, but particularly that the snapshotting produces a genesis.vpatch |
| 14:46 |
trinque |
of /cuntoo/portage , the ebuild tree |
| 14:47 |
trinque |
the genesis.vpatch is also human-sized, does not contain everything that was in gentoo portage. it contains only what is necessary to have a booting system. |
| 14:49 |
trinque |
(if I did not do the gruntwork of identifiying and extracting only the needed ebuilds, genesis would've been nearly 1gb instead of ~4mb) |
| 14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque "it's a test of musl" in the sense that if something breaks it'll likely be that, not reasonable to expect that because you took out whatever solitaire version gets bundled with gentoobuntu then therefore your build crashes. |
| 14:50 |
asciilifeform |
trinque: this makes sense, esp. in light of where portage really oughta be replaced with vtronic system eventually |
| 14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
THOUGH, in fairness, the genuine ubuntu very much fucking would, http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-149.127-149.158 and all that. |
| 14:51 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: correct, it's the 1 major param on which differs substantially , in ways known to break old softs |
| 14:51 |
trinque |
correct |
| 14:52 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: shituntu in that sense ~worse than winblowz~, afaik |
| 14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"this one crash that only happens twice every third saturday when running postgres on cuntoo in x mode with y switch doing z task" is still catastrophic, as these things go. |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i was making a 2014 point, see. that portion of it meanwhile obsolete. |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
i've never used shituntu for anyffin aside from 'rescue disk' 1ce, and even in ~that~ job it fails utterly |
| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i use it to torture girls. |
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| 14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
delivers splendidly. |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
lol why not put'em on e.g. os/2 |
| 14:53 |
asciilifeform |
or irix |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
or other horror from depths of time |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
cuz this has social media support. |
| 14:54 |
asciilifeform |
lolk |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
they can go where they normally go and engage in the usual http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ activities they expect "will help" and also "are the only way to go", because #metoo and those maga people are assholes. etc. |
| 14:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it's well chosen.\ |
| 14:55 |
trinque |
btw this means that e.g. what mod6 is experiencing are more likely to be "I need to go understand kernels and lilo better" than "cuntoo is broken" |
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| 14:55 |
asciilifeform |
wonder if there's a 'firefox' for irix.. |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque i didn't suspect cuntoo was necessarily at fault there, no. |
| 14:55 |
mircea_popescu |
nor did he, lol. |
| 14:56 |
trinque |
possible his kernel relies on the magical module or firmware loading initrds tend to perform |
| 14:56 |
trinque |
or my lilo setup could be bunk in some context; would love to know moar |
| 14:56 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
iirc we discussed this, for max hygiene one wants 'module-less' kernel config |
| 14:57 |
asciilifeform |
as seen on e.g. rk |
| 14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
well yes but that doesn't work on all hw. |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
( change all yer 'M' to a 'Y' .. ) |
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| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: correct, it's a 2-step process, first gotta find what yer iron actually needs re kernelisms |
| 14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
true. |
| 14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
a, btw... are we also putting an x on this thing ? |
| 14:59 |
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mircea_popescu goes to dig for phf 's original x rant... that thing was something else. |
| 14:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i dun keep x on racked boxen, and dunno why anybody would, aside from truly exotic case |
| 15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
so who says cuntoo is for racked boxes only. |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
ah q was re cuntoo per se ? |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
gotta bake some sorta x, if you work w/ graphical www, gimp, etc |
| 15:01 |
asciilifeform |
i dun recall whether trinque mentioned an x test tho. |
| 15:01 |
trinque |
recall the "gentoo" repository is still present on the build, though at lower priority than "cuntoo" |
| 15:02 |
trinque |
x11 runs fine on musl |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the one thing gabriel ladel did manage, get phf ranting about cairo, sgi, x, permission models, where the fuxck was it |
| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
then that's a yes |
| 15:02 |
trinque |
it'd be appropriate for someone to see what ebuilds are actually required for a sensible x11, and to make a vpatch containing them |
| 15:02 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: d00d was quite good in role of the mummy from 'day of the tentacle' ( if anyone recalls, mega-game ) |
| 15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
it would be, which is why i'm tryna volunteer this guy. hey phf you about ? |
| 15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i recall, puzzle thingee. |
| 15:03 |
asciilifeform |
there was a scene where you open sarcophagus with mummy, and monologue to it, and end up with hint |
| 15:04 |
asciilifeform |
gl was a++ for this. |
| 15:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
| 15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
where the fuck is it god damned it, dood proved succintly he well understands the permission model sanity required by the whole stack and the idiotic breakage later morons introduced and now i can't fucking find it. |
| 15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty sure it was triggered by discussion of gpg "security" features, other-windows-can-read-keystrokes, how and wherefore idiots ended up stuffing everything in the top context and it's not really x's fault and so on. |
| 15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
but -- lost it is. |
| 15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it. |
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| 15:16 |
BingoBoingo |
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671304 ?? |
| 15:16 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh) |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
yes! |
| 15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
bless your heart. |
| 15:18 |
trinque |
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671276 |
| 15:18 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-06-17 03:28 phf: sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how wayland prevents it, with some technical details? |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671322 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671323 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671324 is the heart of the matter. |
| 15:18 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-06-17 03:44 phf: if you simply load an x app, attach it to root, and start grabbing all the events then you can come to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all teh events" |
| 15:18 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 phf: but if you were to actually repeat that same exercise when gnupg pinentry is asking you for password you'll see that it doesn't work |
| 15:18 |
a111 |
Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 phf: it still works though when xterm is asking you for password because xterm doesn't know it's a password entry, and doesn't do a grab |
| 15:18 |
trinque |
ah I got beat |
| 15:18 |
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trinque tips hat to BingoBoingo |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no acceptable x-wrappers atm, FOR THIS REASON. |
| 15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
(also other reasons, but this is the most cleanly evidently indicative of the braindamage involved) |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
there is ~no point~ in even having graphics if we permit broken interfaces between x and the downstream apps. |
| 15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
( asciilifeform turns out it wasn't even gl! but that sina / herbi fella.) |
| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
in other lulz, i see today a light log day also... |
| 15:34 |
asciilifeform |
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894579 << i had a half-baked effort to read & genesis 'ratpoison' -- but currently nfi if anyone aside from asciilifeform uses or even wants to use it. |
| 15:34 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it. |
| 15:34 |
asciilifeform |
ftr i won't use any other wm on x, basta. |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
it's certainly worth doing. |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
leaving aside ratpoison, wtf are you gonna do re "browser" ? |
| 15:34 |
asciilifeform |
imho yes. it's a c proggy, but a very small 1 -- <100kb src. |
| 15:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i hesitate to point to anyffin as 'yes, browser', atm. |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894536 boxes i have frozen gtk 2 ; it then permits firefox up to i don't recall, FORTY-something |
| 15:35 |
a111 |
Logged on 2019-02-09 19:53 mircea_popescu: i use it to torture girls. |
| 15:35 |
asciilifeform |
iirc i got 40 on the x60. |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
(spoiler -- it crashes just as much as the newer ones, damned thing was never stable in its existence) |
| 15:35 |
asciilifeform |
it was the only graphical browser that was willing to build itself. |
| 15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform so what is your idea here, "cuntoo comes with gtk 2 and firefox 40" ?! |
| 15:36 |
asciilifeform |
it will have to , unless somebody has a surprise up his sleeve |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, well, i wish to hear what that one guy has to say. then we see. |
| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
the moor, the moor, where is the moor! |
| 15:41 |
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asciilifeform bbl,meat |