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01:07 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855218 >> players in sight of each other, all getting position updates for all others is *THE* central scaling 'n squared problem' for mmo. 20 byte position sent 4 times per second to 100 players is 8k/s per player. and 4 updates per second is really not enough for good playability when you factor in the round trip lag. 15/s is less draconian (many games send 30-60). 100 players gathered with 15 updates
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01:07 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 01:14 mircea_popescu: but anyway, imo if mmorpg needs > kb/s connectivity something's misdesigned somewhere.
01:07 Mocky per second is 30k/s per player.
01:08 Mocky there are clever ways to reduce, somewhat. but no silver bullet
01:11 Mocky and this doesn't count pets / hirelings / mobile npc's
01:16 mircea_popescu there is that.
01:17 mircea_popescu however, the position is not 20 byte. idea is for eulora to make do with ~6.
01:19 mircea_popescu there's also no intention to reproduce the usual http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/ bs. there's not going to be a "central town" everyone HAS to go to because of the linear&automated questline.
01:19 mircea_popescu "questline"
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02:21 diana_coman also, note that eulora does not enforce "all players within sight get position update" because server does not push basically; it's up to clients to request what they want, when and if they want it
02:22 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855134 -> cheers!
02:22 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 00:20 mod6: nice work diana_coman
02:22 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855148 -> hey, nice!
02:22 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 00:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/usa_sender_udp_log.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/uy_receiver_udp_log.txt << 1 full volley
02:24 diana_coman asciilifeform's published test data seems to match what I got on my initial tests with 1 second delay; my current plan is to collect first at least 1 week worth of data and then to repeat the experiment with a. smaller delays b. several senders perhaps
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09:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855188 << nitpick: >1500byte always fragged, cuz ethernet. but! apparently get sewn back together in time. at least at the currently tried rates, and with mix of sizes ( remains to be seen what receiver will do with a summed MB/s of frags from different people )
09:00 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 00:58 mircea_popescu: but yes -- the test can (and likely will) be tightened. for starters we just wanted to get a sort of "absolute path limits". and THESE do indeed turn out to be further out than originally thought -- 2kb packets make it np unfragged and in order 100% of the time, and even 20-60kb packets made it.
09:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855180 << also forgot to answer -- it's a mips 'octeon' running freebsd off ssd , iirc described in several old thrds
09:02 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 00:54 mircea_popescu: just makew sure you put something in there to distinguish "my interface is shitdrops on the floor"
09:02 asciilifeform !#s octeon
09:02 a111 16 results for "octeon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=octeon
09:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855291 << lemme know if you'd like sumthing in particular tested with my path, diana_coman
09:06 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 06:24 diana_coman: asciilifeform's published test data seems to match what I got on my initial tests with 1 second delay; my current plan is to collect first at least 1 week worth of data and then to repeat the experiment with a. smaller delays b. several senders perhaps
09:09 asciilifeform diana_coman: all of my testfires thus far ended up 'no loss, no reorder, as if on lan'
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09:33 BingoBoingo In other news, the morning news program "Buen Dia Uruguay" has a fat wrinkly bag on right now reading Tarot cards and making predictions for 2019
09:34 BingoBoingo Apparently it is going to be a good year for pork and problematic year for snakes, of which I have yet to see any in this country
09:42 diana_coman asciilifeform, what's the shortest delay you tried?
09:46 asciilifeform diana_coman: 10ms
09:50 asciilifeform diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855195 << output
09:50 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 01:01 asciilifeform: here goes :
09:54 diana_coman got it
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10:11 mod6 mornin'
10:12 asciilifeform ohai mod6
10:13 mod6 how goes today?
10:17 asciilifeform slowly.
10:17 mod6 not bad, for a Friday am.
10:18 asciilifeform mod6: mostly mired in saecular liquishit
10:19 mod6 eeek
10:19 mod6 no fun
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10:49 mats BingoBoingo: 2019 is year of the pig
10:50 mod6 jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6nujs/?raw=true
10:50 mats chinese zodiac
10:51 mod6 mmm, i wanna throw some ribs in the smoker.
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11:07 mod6 I'm about ready to start hunting too. It's getting close to that time of year.
11:11 asciilifeform re : udpism : at the risk of rehashing some of the ancient gossipd thread, i'ma put a few notes re fragging :
11:12 asciilifeform even if seems that 100% of 2/3-frag packets make it through in 'laboratory' conditions, still gotta remember that the frag reassembly buffer is the ~exact~ equivalent of the pre-trb 'block orphanage'
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11:12 asciilifeform i.e. it is fundamentally an 'allcomers-can-claim-some-ram' item
11:12 asciilifeform which not only complicates ip stack ( for when we write one ) but opens up to ddosability ( frags are take-it-or-leave-it, they dun even carry the port # )
11:13 asciilifeform i for one would rather have no frag reassembly at all if writing ip stack. not only b/c complexity but also this.
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11:13 * asciilifeform bbl,teatime
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11:29 Mocky I don't see the benefit of building in a reliance on an external UDP fragment reassembly mechanism when the algo is 'all or nothing'.
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11:56 asciilifeform Mocky: me neither, esp. given as it wins nuffin bandwidth-wise
11:57 asciilifeform imho if you want large messages, oughta have own fragger/reasmer, not the ??? in linux/ciscolade
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11:57 asciilifeform the ip stack's frag/reasm is one of those things that 'worx until it doesnt'
11:58 Mocky zackly. and when "doesn't" it magnifies packet loss %
11:58 asciilifeform i'll observe that if you dispense with fraggism, ip stack becomes fairly easy to write ( i.e. if you support only unfragged udp and nuffin else )
11:59 asciilifeform Mocky: my suspicion is that under ddos conditions, loss of frags will approach 100%
12:01 Mocky old log threads appear to have mircea_popescu with hatred of UDP, which has meanwhile dissipated ?
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12:01 asciilifeform Mocky: i suspect that he's rtfm'd since
12:02 asciilifeform Mocky: incidentally, it is possible to do what i suggested to him then, which is to change the protocol # in the ip header and be generic ip, rather than udp . but only once we have own ip stack.
12:02 asciilifeform of course ddosers can send packets with your new protocol # , it doesn't make you bulletproof
12:02 Mocky aha
12:03 asciilifeform the only final solution to ddos is O(1) crapolade packet rejection. ( preferably in iron )
12:03 asciilifeform fragola makes this impossible in principle, you gotta stow N frags to get any sense of whether the full packet is friend or foe
12:04 BingoBoingo <Mocky> old log threads appear to have mircea_popescu with hatred of UDP, which has meanwhile dissipated ? << There was a period when reddit hadn't yet given up on marginalizing the Republic and DDoS's were pestilential.
12:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they're still pestilential
12:04 BingoBoingo Sure, but less frequently aimed visibly at us
12:04 asciilifeform this is a temporary peace.
12:05 BingoBoingo Gone from cover of "loud redditards" pissing UDP at webservers to bloat blocker shitting turd boluses at trb nodes
12:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: whole reason ddos even exists as a concept is the short-sighted idjicy of arpa designers. i'd like to avoid repeating it.
12:07 BingoBoingo Right
12:07 BingoBoingo Can't let it happen on short wave
12:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: very diff set of problems, there
12:08 asciilifeform ( and really quite different thread... )
12:08 BingoBoingo Woodpecker arrays, etc
12:08 asciilifeform ( on sw , the sun ddoses you 24/7/365, as well as washington )
12:15 Mocky asciilifeform, O(1) crapolade packet rejection is already available in software with your FFA lib, if RSA over non-frag UDP was built on top, no?
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12:15 asciilifeform Mocky: it will once i get one going with inline asm'd addition/shifts.
12:16 Mocky it's not constant time without asm?
12:16 asciilifeform oh it is
12:16 BingoBoingo In other news Japanese robot seals (the ones for keeping the elderly company) have made it to Uruguay
12:17 asciilifeform Mocky: in theory you already have rsa with Ch. 4 . but nowhere near line speed.
12:17 asciilifeform Mocky: the constant in that O(1) unfortunately matters.
12:17 Mocky indeed
12:18 Mocky Japanese robot seals ... wtf am i looking at right now, lol
12:20 asciilifeform Mocky: in the past i attempted a fpga rsa also. sadly the 'ice40' would need to be about 250x bigger, for it to be bakeable
12:20 asciilifeform ( as it is, ice40 won't even hold ~one~ 4096bit adder ! )
12:21 BingoBoingo Mocky: I have the local news playing in the background. But they are talking about these guys. https://archive.is/RRHQ Mind the publication date and remember this country was Lego free until that awful movie came out.
12:21 asciilifeform and i'ma never recommend to anyone the use of heathen 'rsa chips'. not even because they all, without exception, work with only 'toy' key lengths, but because srsly wtf.
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12:22 mod6 can we get a squad of these seals to blockade runners for us:?
12:23 BingoBoingo Mebbe?
12:24 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: homing pigeons might work...
12:25 BingoBoingo The national rolling pigeon club is a few blocks away. Could see if those would work
12:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the tricky bit , as i understand, with those, is that they only work in 1 dir
12:26 asciilifeform and gotta be manually transported in the other
12:26 asciilifeform i.e. you'd have to ship'em out of BingoBoingostan in boxes.
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12:27 BingoBoingo End then we'd have to strip down tcp over carrier pigeon to get UDP over carrier pigeon
12:27 asciilifeform more practically, usb stix over pigeon.
12:27 asciilifeform but i suspect not a winner, they do what, 500 km.
12:28 mod6 lol, that's a long way
12:28 BingoBoingo 500km is Brasil, Buenos Aires, the Atlantic Ocean, and Paraguay
12:28 asciilifeform mod6: if there were a place within 500km of BingoBoingo with sane customs regime, he'd be there already, neh.
12:29 mod6 im just sayin', overall, that's a suprisingly long way for a winged-rat.
12:29 mod6 regardless if it means our needs, in jest.
12:29 asciilifeform not even necessarily in jest. i'm not averse to using absolutely anyffing, if it worx.
12:30 asciilifeform and sits down in budget. ( nuke subs are prolly out, for the time being )
12:30 mod6 fair enough
12:30 mod6 We still need fiat, any takers?
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12:31 asciilifeform mod6: i'll do it if absolutely nobody else wants to , but stretched rather thin, so give it coupla days if you can
12:32 mod6 I've asked a number of times in both castles, and a few individuals direclty (whom previously said they'd be willing); no takers yet -- however, still waiting on some info back before we're on our own. Will let you know.
12:32 asciilifeform aite
12:33 asciilifeform mod6: i'm pinching pennies in case i gotta do an expedition in near term
12:34 asciilifeform if BingoBoingo doesn't pull off the ransoming of the crate, it will have to happen asap
12:38 mod6 *nod* makes sense. Once I get all of the info back I need, I'll send around a board comm so we're all on the same page, and will list some possible options.
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12:56 Mocky re: ice40 x250 and other projects: If I get a toe hold in Qatar, they have a 'free zone' to entice foreign R&D and tech startups which permits a new company to have 100% foreign owners, 0% tax on profits, duty free import/export. But requires them to like you and what you're trying to do.
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12:56 Mocky http://qstp.org.qa/membership/
12:57 asciilifeform Mocky: you're a likeable fella... get'em to like you
12:57 Mocky they seem keen on most new tech, and particularly comms tech
12:57 mod6 cool, Mocky
12:57 BingoBoingo Mocky: Uruguay has a similar "freezone" system, gotta read the fine print
12:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc uy's cost mega-moolah
12:58 Mocky yeah, gotta find some people to talk to there
12:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Uruguay's cost mega-moolah AND imports USG/EU pantsuitism absent on the other side of free-zone border wall
12:59 asciilifeform right, but iirc it was some outrageous sum, that made mircea_popescu's torpedo look economical
13:00 Mocky from appearances, qa version has similar "looks better to approvers if mega bucks will be invested" but also they are trying to 'silicon valley in Doha' so maybe some room at the 'bottom'
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13:01 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> right, but iirc it was some outrageous sum, that made mircea_popescu's torpedo look economical << Closets from 3kiloUSD monthly
13:01 mod6 !!ledger
13:01 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zIYuA/?raw=true
13:01 mod6 !!sent-invoices
13:02 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DQKGE/?raw=true
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14:47 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/09/pantsuit-drones-failing-to-qualify-for-pantsuit-loan-forgiveness-program/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Drones Failing To Qualify For Pantsuit Loan Forgiveness Program
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15:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re the loans lulz -- i regularly wonder when they'll dispense with the pretense and finally herd the debtors into work gulag
15:11 asciilifeform ( these already , not counting i suppose mircea_popescu's chix, cannot escape anywhere, the 'education' mutilated'em into permanent usaschwitz inmates )
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16:03 deedbot http://bimbo.club/?p=32 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/23/2018
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16:37 asciilifeform in other noose, BingoBoingo's crate seems to be moving
16:39 mod6 hey hey!
16:46 asciilifeform ohai mircea_popescu !
16:49 mircea_popescu hey there.
16:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855325 << i can see it.
16:57 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 15:13 asciilifeform: i for one would rather have no frag reassembly at all if writing ip stack. not only b/c complexity but also this.
16:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855334 << link!
16:58 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 16:01 Mocky: old log threads appear to have mircea_popescu with hatred of UDP, which has meanwhile dissipated ?
16:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he was prolly thinking of the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218223 threads
16:58 a111 Logged on 2015-07-30 15:33 mircea_popescu: but yes, it was practically shown that a) no actual protection from ddos exists, outside of the ostrich method discussed above and b) udp is the key to this state of affairs.
16:59 asciilifeform ( + http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218171 , and earlier )
16:59 a111 Logged on 2015-07-30 15:22 mircea_popescu: atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now.
17:00 asciilifeform udp is in fact quite popular for ddos, and the fragging mechanism that drags folx into supporting stateful reassembly is the major enabler there
17:00 asciilifeform ( sans fragging, it's entirely stateless, like bare ip )
17:02 asciilifeform i grasp that sometimes cannot avoid stateful protocol, but the state belongs in the multi-opteron pc running the user proggy, not in the 32kB of misfortunate routers along the way
17:03 asciilifeform one of the dozen foundational idjicies of the arpa people , was permitting 'allcomers' to clog up routing tables with state.
17:03 asciilifeform it's what gives ddosism its teeth.
17:06 asciilifeform to mathematize : if the validity of a received datum can depend not only on past , but on ~future~ data, you have a 'to allcomers' ram giveaway. precisely like the 'orphanages' etc
17:09 Mocky mircea_popescu, 2015 thread including http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218061 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218108 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218171
17:09 a111 Logged on 2015-07-30 14:41 mircea_popescu: udp is the problem atm.
17:09 a111 Logged on 2015-07-30 15:08 mircea_popescu: and the general point is udp does not belong.
17:09 a111 Logged on 2015-07-30 15:22 mircea_popescu: atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now.
17:11 * asciilifeform brb,meat
17:15 mircea_popescu Mocky ah ah. this was all from pov of web though.
17:16 mircea_popescu "worst thing for trying to maintain websites is that udp exists"
17:17 mircea_popescu but, yes, alf has a point : meanwhile read up ~on tcp~. despaired.
17:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855353 << actually the winning conjunction here is that a) rsa message size is capped and b) udp packets are capped at ~same size. this is rapidly becoming a case of 4096 bit keys and 2048 bit packets and sayonara.
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17:21 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 16:15 Mocky: asciilifeform, O(1) crapolade packet rejection is already available in software with your FFA lib, if RSA over non-frag UDP was built on top, no?
17:31 mircea_popescu meanwhile in lulz, "* You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information," YEAR OLD listing in some obscure bs "database".
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17:31 mircea_popescu frenode's teh shit.
17:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855372 << ahahahaha. pigeoncustoms!
17:33 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 16:26 asciilifeform: i.e. you'd have to ship'em out of BingoBoingostan in boxes.
17:34 Mocky just need to breed strong pigeons that can carry 'return trip counterpart' plus payload
17:35 mircea_popescu could stack these infinitely.
17:37 Mocky BingoBoingo can get a new look: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/cd/26/a5cd26499cb08068f1451decd0da257a.jpg
17:38 mod6 Ace Bingo
17:45 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, managed to mount a " ", which is now unmountable.
17:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855391 << this is why you're even going.
17:48 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 16:56 Mocky: re: ice40 x250 and other projects: If I get a toe hold in Qatar, they have a 'free zone' to entice foreign R&D and tech startups which permits a new company to have 100% foreign owners, 0% tax on profits, duty free import/export. But requires them to like you and what you're trying to do.
17:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855401 << fuck them. they have oddles of money they have no fucking clue what to do with. last fucking problem is taking money to qatar.
17:49 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 17:00 Mocky: from appearances, qa version has similar "looks better to approvers if mega bucks will be invested" but also they are trying to 'silicon valley in Doha' so maybe some room at the 'bottom'
17:50 mircea_popescu their problem is the population, consisting of a half black slaves, and the other half donkey fuckers, neither of which possessed of enough sense to come out of a paper bag if it rained scissors.
17:50 mod6 lol
17:51 mircea_popescu and for all the arabic pretense, i'd be somewhat surprised if there's one guy in the whole country whose harem can toe to toe with mine.
17:51 mircea_popescu considering the fucktarded shah of brunei, even, had the most ridiculous problems with women vaguely reminiscent of us army grunt.
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18:08 BingoBoingo Mocky: It is a possibilitit. The street dogs here are more reliable than many of the bipeds.
18:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ain't brunei 7000km east...
18:20 mircea_popescu you mean geographically or culturally ?
18:20 asciilifeform strictly former
18:20 asciilifeform i think i get it tho
18:20 mircea_popescu yeah, south china sea
18:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855437 << the headache is that a 4kb-key sig is ~4kb...
18:21 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 21:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855353 << actually the winning conjunction here is that a) rsa message size is capped and b) udp packets are capped at ~same size. this is rapidly becoming a case of 4096 bit keys and 2048 bit packets and sayonara.
18:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no see, 4kb key, 4kb message consisting of 2kb plaintext and 2kb padding.
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18:22 mircea_popescu but yes, the bojum is that with rsa you're always throwing away half the bandwidth.
18:22 mircea_popescu much like with bitcoin you're throwing away half the energy.
18:23 mircea_popescu the most serene republic of halvsies.
18:25 BingoBoingo Except when it comes to bipeds. Republic discards more than halvsies.
18:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even in naked (padless) rsa , sig is always of ~equal bitness to modulus
18:27 asciilifeform i know of no pill against this
18:27 asciilifeform ( and pretty sure we had the thread )
18:30 asciilifeform ( or see diana_coman's rsa walkthrough, http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/ )
18:31 asciilifeform where 'result will *always* be a block of 4096 bits (512 octets). Each such resulting block can hold at most 1960 bits (245 octets) of the original message' etc
18:33 asciilifeform possibly i misread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855464 , but gotta point out that the padding is not somehow separable from the message prior to decrypt, it is 'in' that final 4096bit output of the modexp
18:33 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 22:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, 4kb key, 4kb message consisting of 2kb plaintext and 2kb padding.
18:33 asciilifeform at any rate this is not particularly catastrophic , all you need is 512byte
18:34 asciilifeform which in so far as i can tell, doesn't frag.
18:34 asciilifeform ( hence why i put that 512 as the initial guess for Payload_Size )
18:35 mircea_popescu right.
18:35 asciilifeform currently seems to me that nuffing below ~1400 actually frags on modern irons
18:36 asciilifeform so you could potentially even get away with signed-x-inside-encrypted-y
18:36 asciilifeform (~1kB)
18:36 mircea_popescu maybe what we want to do here is actually get 11936 bit keys, and forever 1492 byte udp.
18:36 asciilifeform heh if we had the giant fpga..
18:37 asciilifeform 1492, 'sailed the oceans blue...'
18:37 mircea_popescu aha!
18:37 Mocky lel
18:39 asciilifeform btw i'll add that if you use raw ip, you 'win' 8 'phree' bytes ( that normally eaten by udp header )
18:40 asciilifeform gives you that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855126 # tho
18:40 a111 Logged on 2018-09-27 23:56 asciilifeform discussed subj with asciilifeform's brother, who answered 'whaddayamean, what size packet, at $defunctgamesco we only ever used 1480, for decade, ideal'
18:40 asciilifeform ( 20 eaten by ip hdr )
18:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855439 << i found last night that ~nuffin from my old squirrelmail workhorse actually gets delivered any moar. prolly for this reason.
18:42 a111 Logged on 2018-09-28 21:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, "* You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information," YEAR OLD listing in some obscure bs "database".
18:42 asciilifeform the jwzs destroyed emailism 100%.
18:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the nonsense of keeping lists of enumerated badness that a) are obscure and b) are poorly maintained... srsly, random costa rican home ip ? these people live for what, 4 months in the same place ?
18:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty sure their actual objective was simply to herd the remaining folx who can't entirely get away from emailism, into the google/microshit corrals
18:44 asciilifeform ~0 to do with spam in the usual sense.
18:45 asciilifeform i actually bothered to peek in the logs on that box, it gets confronted with ssl crapola handshakes from the receiver's end and evidently doesn't spit out the hitler-approved answer
18:46 mircea_popescu i don't recall how long it's been, but i've been happy enough emailess
18:46 asciilifeform ( i dun have a corps of janissaries to fetch letters from hitler containing the ssl magic of-the-day )
18:46 asciilifeform well, knuth managed it
18:46 mircea_popescu i am not that old.
18:46 asciilifeform lesser mortals still stuck with occasional emailism
18:47 asciilifeform ( e.g. to/from vendors )
18:47 asciilifeform e.g. most recently, BingoBoingo's customs crapolade
18:48 * BingoBoingo interacts with substantial emailisms navigating orc hoardes
18:49 * mircea_popescu appreciates.
18:49 asciilifeform could be worse, i suppose they could all have been on aol...
18:49 asciilifeform but email is rapidly converging to ~= aol
18:50 BingoBoingo I dunno how many orcmade systems you interact with, but regression from AOL seems common
18:50 asciilifeform y'mean ~to~ ?
18:51 BingoBoingo No, I mean descent from. There is still lower than AOL.
18:51 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: where's lower than aol, nao i'm curious
18:52 asciilifeform ( funnily enuff, the local telecom monopoly where i get me fiberz bought what remained of aol. so finally the ancient nightmare is in a sense troo, asciilifeform is 'subscribed to aol' )
18:53 BingoBoingo Well, the all time low of systems I interacted with is pre-Uruguay when I went to Southern Illinois University for my graduate philosophy stint. The independent university department had an interactive pdf web form everyone had to use to register for the sticker to keep their vehicles from getting kidnapped by University Parking.
18:54 BingoBoingo 20,000 people including chosen urban youth, etc interacted with this system every year
18:55 BingoBoingo To be clear this isn't a pdf merely filled out from the pdf reader. It is filled out and interacts(maybe interacted) with their backend system from pdf reader.
18:57 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/this-is-not-bdsm/ << Trilema - This is not BDSM.
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20:37 mod6 my eyes!
20:48 mod6 BingoBoingo: lulzy
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23:50 mircea_popescu http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-22_1 << a denier of many plurious things lol
23:51 * mod6 looks
23:51 mod6 lol 'mod6 survives...'
23:52 mod6 how's it goin tonight mircea_popescu ?
23:52 asciilifeform gotta admit i like esthlos's summary page
23:53 mod6 yeah, i do too
23:53 mod6 and i kinda like there is competition here
23:53 mod6 how goes asciilifeform ?
23:55 * mod6 is testing the phexdigit fix regrind
23:55 mod6 and oiling weapons
23:55 asciilifeform mod6: lol funnily enuff metoo
23:56 asciilifeform bit of pest control work
23:56 mod6 :]
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